Rios on his Long Beach Upbringing, Ace Boys Falling Apart, Hating on No Jumper & More

44:48No. That's amazing. Congratulations. Wait, why did SpaceX not work? Because they figured it out? No. Well, my son was born with a heart condition, and so I missed a lot of work because I wasn't going to miss any of his appointments in his first year because everything is with the condition, everything was serious. But then they adopted a different protocol where they were like, oh, we need those notes from the doctor that my supervisor and my manager, who were no longer there, had an agreement. They knew because they were there through the birth and it changed up. and they were like, well, we need those.

45:24And I couldn't get the notes and that was. Was that kind of heartbreaking? It was the most necessary thing I needed in my life because my family was struggling because I was working so much. And I think they got rid of people that were getting paid a lot of money. Okay. And it was their way of hedging. You know what I mean? Like let's bring in new people at a lower rate. and this and you know i'll go you know i mean but it it was the best thing that could happen to my family okay and so what then just best thing because then you have a lot more free time to be able to be around the family around my family and see how much my wife was doing and how much my family was missing out on shit you know what i mean like god damn like i haven't been doing this for forever and then i saw it and i was like okay i'll never let that ever happen again because we was doing like six days a week, 10 hours, 12 hours a day.

46:22Yeah. And then the day off, you're just done. But you were the sole provider for the family, right? Because I think a lot of guys end up dealing with that at a certain point where it's like, damn, I'm not seeing as much of my kids as I would want. I would love to be able to help my girl out with the house more. But at the end of the day, you got to work, right? And if they offer you more work, you might – like same thing with me. Like, you know, if I got offered another interview right now, I might just be doing another interview after this. you know it's like i would love to go hang out with my girl but like realistically you gotta get that money right but no my wife was was killing it too oh she had a job as well you know what i mean like she's gone she's she's the shit and so but i was just gone more because of the hours you know i mean like her her hours weren't like mine and that shit was crazy wow that's insane um sorry i just got like the most mind-blowing text um that's what i was just saying insane too might not have been i was kind of saying it about the thing i just read sorry um anyway um okay so that kind of coincides with you getting more interested in the content side of things or dude that shit like uh leading up to the ace boys the ace boys is pun's brain child right like he pun they was doing shit here and then like ventured out whatever and pun was like just hit us up and uh fred and pun was like hey come through and i didn't know nothing i didn't know about no jumper i didn't know about uh back on fig i didn't know about community i didn't watch any of that shit because the ace boys podcast comes together what like maybe within like a few months of like them sort of leaving no jumper and starting the fig community thing i don't actually No, it was before.

48:05It was before. It was before they left No Jumber. I wasn't a – when I became – no, I don't think Ace Boys – I don't think they still were here when Ace Boys happened. I think it was because I remember I used to, like, see Cliffs from Punn's stream and get pissed off at him talking about me. No, that was Community. Oh, maybe, yeah. Okay. Because him and AD had Community. I think before they left No Jumber, at one point I told Punn I was going to go on Ace Boys, and then I didn't. But I don't know. Oh, well, maybe. Yeah. But how did you even know him to get involved in that situation? Because you, Manny, and Trey kind of like grew up together?

48:41Yeah. Well, me and Manny grew up together running track. Okay. So I've known Manny since I was seven. And Trey sort of similar? Not Trey, Fred. That's what he goes by now? That's his real name. Oh, okay. Like the Ace Boy shit, that was just like what it was. but I met Fred when he was I think in the 7th or 8th grade when Manny moved where he moved and then that's how I met Pun but that was their crew and I was like kind of like a little bit on the outside doing what I do but Manny, Fred and Pun and everybody else it was a bunch of them. But they were just homies they weren't like working together at first?

49:22No just homies and just partying just having a good time and just doing what young cats do. So at one point, Pauline reaches out and says, I think y 'all have potential to do this show with me?

49:42He didn't communicate it that way. He was like, hey man, we doing something at the studio. Just come through. If you guys with it, you with it. If you're not, no big deal. And so then I just showed up and I didn't never even watch a live stream ever. I never watched a podcast. it was just like I didn't know what we were doing and I was just we just showed up and it was what it was we forget that many people like don't watch podcasts yeah I didn't know like and if I wish I had known I think I would have taken more advantage of what that opportunity was and I would have realized more of what was provided you know what I mean I think maybe I took it not maybe I know I took it for granted okay yeah just maybe didn't realize that having you know a couple thousand people watching you every week or whatever is kind of a big deal and i didn't even know how many people were watching us for like a month okay like i didn't even know that you oh that's where you could see the live viewers right and it was just like we were just talking and if i knew what i know now i would have tried to do more to make ace boys work you know what i mean for the betterment of everybody so i mean you guys did it for what like three years two years i think maybe two years okay yeah two years maybe but then towards the end i started missing you know what i mean because i started building out my own shit and um but it just it took me to get to what i'm doing now to appreciate what we actually did have you know what i mean i'm not saying it was on me why it didn't work or whatever but i feel like i could have had way more input and help a lot more with what he had going on.

51:22Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, there's been like a lot of sort of fan theories about why it didn't work out, but how would you identify? Like you wanted to start your own thing, but I mean, you could have kept doing that show once per week, right? I couldn't. Well, so I started my own thing because FMW was about to go do their tour, and they were going to be gone for a month. and my only impression online was through Ace Boys. Like if we're not doing the Ace Boys, we're getting left behind. I kind of started learning like you have to stay in the algorithm. You have to stay with your face. And I was like, shit, I'm going to build out my shit.

52:03So I took a little bit of my savings and bought all the studio shit and just started doing it in the living room. And I was already two years of Friday nights away from my family. It was just like I gave what I could give. Like in pun understands, you know what I mean? Like it was like I can't be away from my three kids and my wife every Friday night. You know what I mean? When this is the night that they get out of school, there's no school tomorrow. I could be watching movies and having dinner. Friday nights are important as a family. And in pun knows, he understands, it was just like a sacrifice for me.

52:42and I feel like I did a good job of doing that and he understood me moving on and doing what I needed to do. Was there any extent to which you were sort of uncomfortable with the direction that the content was going? Because when I'm watching The Syndicate, which is your current podcast, which is, the channel's called... Society of Freedom. Right. You guys, well, I'm a member also. Oh, really? Gotta throw that out there. I wanted to watch the newest episode and it was members only. I'm like, all right, I'm in there. I'm a member. I want people to be a member of my shit. I want to remember his shit.

53:15But it feels like you guys, the flavor of it is that you want to have sort of highbrow conversations. You don't want to be reduced to drama farming and sort of street shit that you guys probably are pretty jaded to. The episode I watched, you guys were talking about the TV show Boys, The Boys, and like a lot of other TV shows and stuff that I was kind of impressed. I'm like, most of the podcasts I watch, I wouldn't even know that these guys watch that stuff. But your podcast seems like an environment in which you feel very comfortable having to be a nerd, to have a long-winded conversation about stuff that's not necessarily going to be clickbaity or whatever.

53:56I feel like that seems like that was kind of the intention. Well, the intention was, you're right on point with that, but the intention was I was already doing the wake-up show. I was already doing reality check and interviewing reality check was so that I could get people out of their element of the Internet and this facade that they are. Come here. Be real. Leave your character at the door. But then I was also like, you know what, my brothers that I know, I know my brothers, you know what I mean? I know how interesting Fred is, how as crazy and scary and strong, like he's a nerd, like he loves anime.

54:32He loves Marvel. He loves. And there's like a whole side to him that nobody knows about. man he's a cook he does all this and i don't think it was really presented that way on what their footprint on the internet was and i was like i have to be able to give an opportunity for them to be who they are so the world could see that shit and i mean i was impressed uh trey fred like that he had like so much knowledge about the different characters on the boys which i only to watch like one season of that but it was a really good show and like he knew like which characters on the show were the strongest and what they had been through to test their strength right on the show if it's a superhero show for people don't know but i was i was really impressed about i'm like he's not just skimming through this show so he he's not even just the show he's the comic book he he's read the comic book oh because it came from a comic book so he does like fred has a vast knowledge of fighting, boxing, guns, anime.

55:32Like he could talk about shit forever, but he just never had the opportunity, like the opportunity wasn't there to talk about the shit he wants to talk about. And that's not puns fault or anybody. It was just us appeasing the chat. Like, what do they want to talk about? Okay, we'll stay here. And it was like, I want a place that's like, yeah, respect the chat, but them controlling what we talk about right and so i love what we're doing there you know i mean at the syndicate and talking about the shit we're talking about safe space for people to talk about what we were bad at and what we're trying to get good at life is is up sometimes but you got to deal with it don't be like don't let people box you into something that they want you to be be who you are and like we're not doing things for for clicks we're not doing things for views because i feel like that if we continue doing what we do the impact that we have on the people who do watch is more valuable than the the mass amounts of attention like we can get on there and say shit and go viral real quick but we avoid that shit right so yeah i mean because you guys like I don't know Trey or Manny's street background or anything like that but I mean you guys seem like you all know what the f*** is going on and have been through shit and really been out there so I mean from that perspective following the incentives of like all the most salacious shit in hip-hop culture tends to be street gang violence oriented shit obviously we also talk about like people's messy ass relationships and shit like that but i mean i i guess like i could understand how that would be not ideal for you guys to talk about that stuff all the time although i guess like i do look at a lot of the other content careers i know out here who are like some people that have been through like or were really solid street dudes are certified in the eyes of the streets and they don't seem like they lose interest in that like they don't get jaded to it but maybe maybe they do and they're just kind of chasing the incentives too but i respect the fact that you guys like wanted to have that as like a space where you could really kind of be yourselves yeah because we i see the same thing you see you know what i mean like i see the the the temperature the energy of things and it's like And if I do know that, who am I not to balance it?

57:56You know what I mean? Like, what does that mean about me if I feel like I know I can do this and help? But if I turn my back on that and say, you know what, that's not worth it. I'd rather. It's like, sometimes you have to do the harder thing. and for the betterment of a few people or a community to help them. We get so many messages of people saying, thank you for talking about the divorce. Thank you talking about your drugs or your problems here or your relationship with your wife or how you feel like sometimes you're a bad father and how you cope with that. It's all this shit that we all deal with, but who's talking about it?

58:37And so it's like, okay, that's our space. That's why like me and probably a lot of other people were kind of blown away when the clip landed on Reddit of Manny just being like the most open that I maybe ever heard a dude be on a podcast and just talking about how his divorce was going. And he a lot of people were the smoothed over the details. And he said she met a dude at work and they were cheating. Yeah. I was like, damn, that is some hardcore podcasting because I feel like most of the hosts on No Jumper, I think if that happened to them, they would breeze past it. They would not offer up the details.

59:12Because that in particular, just the idea of another dude taking your girl, for a lot of guys, their ego would be pretty damaged by that. So I really respected that he was willing to just dive into it. And it was something he was holding on to for a minute because we took a break in between for him to have time for himself. that's our brother you know i mean he's going through it it's not he yes he did talk about it and this and that but the also that wasn't seen is like the hard work to get to the point to talk about it he wasn't ready until he was ready um and he didn't tell us he was about to say it but we knew he would talk about it when he when he was and the the amount of men that that reached out and said and talked and said thank you because I went through this to me I was like damn I didn't know it was that many people going through this kind of shit and it just let us know your trials and tribulations don't mean shit if you don't share it with people because who's his help who's it helping yeah you went through all this shit just to go through it or did you go through this shit to share it and then help these people that are going through it are possibly might be on the verge of going through it how can they help themselves and out and so that's the value yeah Like even me, like I, uh, in 2011, when I first moved to Long Beach, I had a girlfriend for really only a couple of months and she left my ass for a dude who was doing way better in life than me, had more money than me, was more famous than me.

1:00:38Damn, dude, I was depressed as for like a month after me up so bad. And honestly, I can really, I can trace no jumper back to her because me being depressed for that month made me really look in the mirror every single day and say you gotta make something out of yourself like whatever you've done up to this point is cool with the bike riding shit but like that shit don't matter you gotta make something out of yourself and it really like lit a fire in me to become like a better version of myself so shout out to her shout out to her because sometimes that that adversity builds the beast like it really did and it turns it in you turn a negative into a positive like okay that won't happen again yeah i'll make sure but it's also how do you move past that and don't be angry about it yeah i mean because you do have to let go of that shit at some point so it doesn't affect your other relationships yeah our future relationships or whatever yeah no definitely um so okay were you a little bit turned off by the the notion or the the content on uh the ace boy shit kind of starting to go in more of a drama direction because I remember around that time that there was a lot of destruction.

1:01:46There was a sound effect. I said that, right? Yeah. I feel like that's not really your flavor. And it's not like that was all you guys were doing, but it did feel like a lot of attention was being put on that. Was that kind of not your style? I don't think I had a style at the time, but I know that I was having conversations at home, like with my wife about like how long, okay. Like not only are you away, but then while you're away, this is what, this is the justification of why you're away. Were the girls shaking ass in that? Oh, that didn't go over so well. Yam cam, hot seat with Rios, and then just trying to, like, immaturely, just trying to get views or trying to get the engagement.

1:02:31And it's like, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Is this something you're proud of? And it has nothing to do with anybody besides myself. Like, be better than what you're doing. you have more to you and you're not showing it and i don't think ace boys needed me to move forward or whatever but i'm i'm not destruction you know i mean i'm not about destruction i'm about uh pretty much building you know what i mean like how do we come together how do we get over this stupid shit how do we move forward on some cool shit because that's where rios is a healthy person at yeah because i mean we all know that like the people who oftentimes court the most viewers in terms of like streaming and shit are young dudes who are super immature who are super offensive who you know there's always got to be some sluts around you know like these young dudes who are like 18 19 a lot of times have like the biggest audiences because they're the craziest they're the most out there and at a certain point you're like 30 or 40 or whatever it's like it's understandable if and also the streamer audience is kind of young on average you know so yeah i could see how that would probably kind of start to seem a little boring it got a little like it's always fun hanging out with your homies your brothers you know what I mean and like I'm not drinking at the time whatever but just everybody having a good time but it's just like in the back of your mind you're like what validates me being here right other than being home with my family like in that once that became too big it was like okay I've done my part I've done it's all love I love y 'all but i gotta be over here yeah having the family at home is like such a a push and pull because there's always just this feeling of i just want to be at home i just want to be around my family and sometimes i have to like really intentionally fight it like no i am in vegas hanging out with a bunch of streamers i need to forget about what's going on at home and just be in the moment and just do this shit and uh yeah it's like you know it's always it's always a struggle because it's like being at home just feels so good but you're not it also has the feeling of i'm not pushing forward in my life you know like i'm doing the thing that's the most fulfilling and satisfying but it also it's like if this is all i do then i'm a loser and so i gotta go hard and i gotta like push it out of my head at times but then also like once you are in that environment i'm sure we've all had this feeling where you're like grinding your ass off monday through Friday and then all of a sudden it's Saturday morning and you're with the kids and you're just not all the way there because your brain is still hung up on the shit that you've been doing for the last five days you know but at least you're pushing for what you're building yeah now imagine like you're you're not even building your own thing you're not even building out like that's where it becomes like a no-brainer like and then oh you guys are going to be gone okay we don't have anything to do like oh it's like not even really a thought of what happens with us it's like i have to if i'm not advocating for myself to do better nobody else is right and it was a snapshot of like okay not mad not tripping but it let me know you better start building your own shit fool because nobody else is going to do it for you right yeah and i mean i feel like you really tried to like tde the situation and not talk about it at all yeah that's one thing i always really admired about tde is you damn near never get a glimpse into or whatever they got going on behind the scenes.

1:05:55Kendrick doesn't put out an album for five years, and then he pops out on his own label, and we never got anything. Anything. I respect the fuck out of that, because I can't get anyone to stay quiet about anything. I don't know how you do that. But you tried pretty hard in that situation. I tried pretty hard. We tried pretty hard, and even when we did talk about it, it was like a closed case. You know what I mean? like open shut case like we don't want to have to say too much but because our hand is kind of pushed this is what it is and take it for face value and that's it like we're all good we're building and everybody is in support of each other right yeah because i mean so okay once you finally felt like you had to speak on it because like had made like a comment i think that sort of inferred that you guys were like disloyal or something right it was it was i don't know if it was disloyal not patient right it was like patient or something and it was like okay let's we gotta respond to that you know what i mean like and say something to that but it was never like not loyal it was like just wait around long enough or this and that and we're doing this it was like i understand what content is now you know what i mean i understand sometimes the pressure of content and it's that we'll have you do things or say things and don't take it personal no definitely um so okay what what started to like change in your mind where you realized because like you had a clip that was making the rounds that was kind of centered on you sort of maybe feeling like the adversarial role that you felt like you had with no jumper was maybe not uh well reasoned i guess you could say like you seem like you kind of had a little bit of buyer's remorse on sort of positioning yourself in the little beef and everything well it was it was a it was not even a thought into it it was just like oh it's the beef right it was no thought put into like okay look at this shit and see who this is see what this is what's going on none of that it was just like oh and that's how we get down like Like, well, we ain't f***ing with them, we ain't f***ing with them.

1:08:09And that's just how we roll. But as you start doing this shit on your own and you start seeing, like, what is being built, what's being created, and who's working, who's not working, it's like, oh, shit. This is putting some work, you know what I mean? And then I see people surviving off of content that's built here and this and that. Many such cases, yeah. And so I had to like invest a little bit of time into looking like, let me check out what this shit is. It took until that long ago to just recently to like actually invest time. Like, let me give the benefit of doubt and let me see what the is happening over here.

1:08:49And then when I saw it and I was looking, I was like, damn, this then it makes you reflect like shit, everything birthed out of this. You know what I mean? Like I'm not doing what I'm doing. If it's not for ace boys, ace boys ain't doing what it's doing. if it's not for community and then coming from no jumper and this and that and i was like you could hate him or you could not like him or not agree with his ideology or whatever but what you can't disagree with is what he's created out of what he has yeah and i felt like nobody was given that credit or given the just do like yeah i don't agree with him but the is a mad scientist well i think that like there was such energy in like 2023 that it felt like everybody was gonna build the other no jumper or the new no jumper you know and as the years go by and it's kind of like you know and i don't even like want to use this interview as a situation to throw shade at anybody but it does feel like the figmunity thing in a lot of important ways didn't really like pan out into becoming this giant thing you know notably like I don't think they ever really even like paid any of the other hosts like you have the owners and then I don't think they ever really cut checks to like the other people who are coming on the podcast consistently and when you're expecting people to do everything out the kindness of their heart it's kind of hard to expect it to grow in the long run I don't know about like the business side or like I wasn't really ever involved with FMW like that.

1:10:22Like we just said we're under an umbrella. But I think everything takes time. Everything has to evolve and everybody has to learn the situation. Things can look easy from a distance, you know, when you don't really see the struggle of what makes something move. And I think they're in a good – like everybody has provided for me. You know what I mean? Like I've learned from everybody. And a lot of the main reason why I want to come here is because I want to see the setup. I want to see how things run. You know, I've avoided it and held my hat on. Oh, I'm the only one that hasn't been over there.

1:11:01But is that pride? You know what I mean? Is that just you having pride? Like you're just holding your hat on that. That's something to say now. But I think what they're doing is really good for them to go through a low. And I'm not going to avoid saying that the numbers are down or whatever, because numbers are down are part of the game. And you have to survive your mistakes and you have to survive your lows so you can enjoy your highs, right? And ain't nothing but a little bit of fixing or turn this here or this takes off or this and that. And they're in a good place. They just have to buckle down.

1:11:38You know what I mean? And I think it's a hard thing to reverse engineer something or to use a Chinese blueprint on something like, okay, this is what this is. because what you end up creating is the same thing. And maybe not as good, or maybe not you forgot something here or forgot something here, and you're not running on the same fuel. And so I think we're just yet to see what's to come of them. And I believe that they will stay in the game. Back on Fig will stay in the game. Back on Fig is dope. Community is dope. And that's also one of the reasons why I wanted to come here is because you guys are so polarizing.

1:12:19Like, you have your platform, No Jumper. They have their platform that came out of here, right? Like, they learned certain things here, and they brought it there. And, like, in certain ways, there's reasons to be proud as Adam. You know what I mean? Like, damn, okay, I did help, and I did do something that, even though we're not seeing eye-to-eye on things, but look at what did come out of this. and we did it as adversaries instead of as allies. What would it look like if we did it as allies? And this is fresh. This is new. You know what I mean? Like the relationship is new or whatever, but I don't think it's over.

1:13:00I don't think anything is too far gone to be, dude, we on the West Coast. We got these platforms. Let's take over the world, brain. Like Pinky, take over the world. And I just think at this point, maybe some hurt, some pride, some ego is there. But I think once you both of y 'all, you and T-Rail, AD, get on a point where it's like, dude, why are we doing this stupid shit? We're better together than we are apart. Because you bring assets and you bring things that they can't bring. They bring things that you can't bring. But together, it's the complete. You know what I mean? And it's like, why, why not do it?

1:13:44Like, why? That's what I want to ask you. Like, why be mad? Like, why choose to be mad? Yeah. I mean, like, it's kind of hard for people to, like, remember the timeline and stuff. But I remember that after the split that I spent a few months, like, really trying to be polite and not fan the flames. And, like, I really tried to, like, not insult them directly or, like, really say anything that would create more division. because in my mind i was like you know what like and i was right i should have stuck to this plan but i was like if i am respectful to them and polite and don't create a huge rift then at some point they're gonna come back and it's it'll be easier like like ultimately i felt like i just didn't want to like be dragging them through the mud so i avoided it for a long time and then at some point i kind of snapped because i just felt like they just were still talking about me so much non-stop and i took on this like big 22 persona yeah you remember this where like i basically like the realization was like i'm just gonna talk shit and i don't give a if they try to fight me or whatever you know still white huh well i just i kind of like let my real self out and decided to be like all right let's make this comedic and ridiculous you know and i kind of wish i didn't do that because i feel like if i hadn't done that then we all probably would be doing content together right now because i think the only reason why those dudes like t-rel and ad in particular haven't like come back and done content is just because they have enough ego and pride mixed up in it because i've dissed them so many times at this point yeah and you're still doing it like today i'm looking at your story and then like i'm like why the god damn and it's like you you want it to be good and then like damn even for me it's like god damn yeah but part of it is like I got this 50 cent mentality where it's like, you know, I've had my foot on T-Rail's neck for so long that I feel like he might not have much air left.

1:15:42No, he has. All I got to do is just keep my foot there a little bit longer. It's the opposite. You think? It's the opposite. You think he's like kind of going up right now? Because the energy that you give, you're manifesting life. You're breathing life into a situation. T-Rail's going to survive. He's going to survive. Well, I don't think he's going to die. No, no, I'm talking about the back on fig. It's going to survive because it's going to figure out, it's going to have enough help in here and there to make it. But why waste the years of doing that when three years ago we could be, if we're going to eventually do this anyway, why are we wasting time?

1:16:18Yeah, I'm going to be real. Because you know what it feels like. Well, it's getting more mixed together and muddier and shit because the other day Sharky comes on here. and I didn't realize it but during the conversation I realized that he's got like you know he was in the streets doing all this crazy weed trafficking whatever that he went to jail for but he basically like now is trying to like help manage various people that he knows so I think he's actually like Pokes manager now he's like really trying to help push Pokes music career forward I think but then he's also he's on Back on Fig and he was like really asking me questions that were kind of like basically in the direction of like how can i make back on fig go up and like be bigger or whatever so that was kind of a moment of me realizing like ah like okay so maybe t-rail like in not doing as well right now view wise is gonna open the door for him to bring other people in and maybe some of those people have bright ideas that will maybe be able to sort of right the ship but can't you relate to that yeah for sure it took me years to really like build up the no jumper crew to the point where it's at now where I feel like it's kind of as good or better than it was uh during COVID and stuff when those guys were still on the channel yeah and so but when when the when the when the breakup happened like uh so like saying is in comparison you to back on fig no jumper to back on fig what would be your your no jumper over you like how you are bigger than back on fig what would be considered I guess like I look at Vlad even though it's quite different but I just look at him as because I feel like he does a better job than me getting interviews he's always been a little bit more forward thinking in terms of the business model like he was going hard with the members thing like five six years ago which is like my biggest regret in content was not focusing on members or patreon or whatever like earlier I feel like I didn't see the vision that that was going to be like the primary revenue stream for a lot of these channels so for sure like you know i look at vlad and i look at ak i guess would be the main ones because ak is like the goat of there's a topic that everybody wants me to talk about i'm gonna learn everything i could possibly get i'm gonna get on the phone with people i'm gonna really figure it out and then when i speak about this topic it's gonna be authoritative and i think he does like a way better job than me in terms of like having takes about what's going on current events so both of that but like no jumper has its own flavor because it's more of like a madhouse with all these different personalities meshed together like vlad will tell you he never takes two people and puts them on camera together unless they like you know once in a while of like a a dual interview but like very rarely like he doesn't even like his guests like crossing paths you know because he in his mind it's like everything is very orderly you're going to sit in this dark room and answer the questions that it's not going to be like all the crazy moments that we've had over the years by just putting a lot of personalities in the same room so for sure I look at them as kind of like the two people that are bigger than no jumper in certain ways that I have a lot of respect for and feel like I learn from all the time you know I think that's dope and I that you that's who it is but they can't do what you can do like they literally cannot do neither one of them can do what like I still had to start looking at like how does this navigate all this shit how's he doing all this it's more here it's more being done here it's just It's not as big on the platform, but more is being done here.

1:19:43I look at Rolling Stone as the next level, these high platforms, these real platforms, these real media platforms. What is the no jumper to this? And you have to see that shit, like how it bothered you when Rolling Stone put the piece out on you, right? Like you said, it was a hit piece. after Richard Spence. And three or four years before that, they had written an article about how it was the greatest shit since sliced bread. And then all of a sudden they got an article about how I'm a Nazi. But look, look how Terrell loved you. Like you guys had a great relationship. And then a few moments later, this, that.

1:20:20But then imagine what it felt like when Rolling Stones was putting pressure or being rude or whatever. It's the same there. That kind of weight is the same. And you are a big player in the game. And so you know you can relate to what it feels like. But I feel like you guys, everybody sees Vlad and academics as the cream of the crop of where it's supposed to be. And I don't see that. I see it way above that because of what is being built out of this. You know what I mean? I mean, okay, Joe Rogan is 100 times bigger than academics. But what he's doing is so different. And even when you mentioned Rolling Stone, I guess maybe I don't have as much respect for it.

1:21:02because from my perspective, Rolling Stone is a famous brand name. But then behind the scenes, what is it? It's like a handful of writers and they write blog posts. And are the blog posts impressive? I mean, once in a while they'll break news that I find kind of impressive. But for the most part, I feel like it's just some salty-ass journalist dudes. I know a million dudes like this. And they have this pompous attitude because of the fact that they have this legacy brand name. Honestly, that didn't really bother you. Okay. I mean, it always sucks having people like come down on you with like pieces or editorials, whatever, YouTube videos.

1:21:39Like if you, if you actually absorb it or if you even just see the reaction to it, I'm not going to act like it's nothing, but really like that Rolling Stone article, like, I mean, it's just, it didn't really. So bigger. So then the monopoly that you would have on the game over here with all the podcasts, all the streams, all the influences that came through it. Think about the monopoly, that the total control where there is no censorship, there is no rules where you can't do that shit. There's no rules where you can't have iHeart or whatever as no jumper. And we have this podcast, this podcast, everybody's here.

1:22:15Think about everybody that's flowed through. What's happened here, more has come through here than anywhere. And I just see what you guys don't see. And I'm older than all of you guys. And I've been in the working field and this and it's like, if they just see this shit. I mean, I told T-Roll that I would gladly patch it up. I just want him to apologize and then we could do a podcast together. And I said that on the podcast recently when he was like he was waving the white flag and saying he didn't want to smoke anymore or whatever. But I mean, when I say that is like, do I really think he's going to do that?

1:22:51I mean, I don't know. I feel like I'm owed one. And I feel like that's just like a rock and a hard place. Like he's not going to like come down to my level and like apologize for being a snake. And realistically, like I've already, I feel like I've said what I wanted to say about, I'm not going to apologize to him. So it's like, realistically, is that going to happen? I don't know. I mean, honestly, even when I think about when I saw him at that award show, if that scenario had played out a little differently where we had had, I think that like ceremony was starting like right as we were having a conversation.

1:23:21So it was kind of like a natural thing where we kind of got pulled apart. and i think that if we had like been a little bit more in each other's space for another five ten minutes that we probably would have just kept talking and it probably would have like cooled off pretty quickly so yeah i mean like there is a small part of me that's like maybe i should like more aggressively try to get back cool with them but then there's also a part of me that's like you know i got all these other hosts that i'm like more excited about and i don't really feel at this point that they would add that much? Besides the warm, fuzzy feelings of they're back together.

1:23:57Obviously, that's something. You don't think that T-Rail brings more to the table than what you have right now? He would bring something. With access and with the people that he does have, he's doing more than anybody on your show right now. Back on Fig and the people that they're talking to and sitting down with, you have good hosts and all respect to them. But we can't shit on T-Rail like that. Niggas not doing some shit. And it might not equate to numbers. Right. But it equates to energy. And what's being passed through over there. It's significant. Yeah. And I think, that's just me, that we try to maybe downplay stuff.

1:24:39But he's got it going on. And T-Rail is talented. And T-Rail does have the energy. And it's just the more is always better. You know what I mean? like i just there's part of me though that feels like he as much as he might have some value as a podcaster that there's also the side of him that is very drama queen ish very zesty very gossipy and it just really i i just like remember the energy that he brought to no jumper and it felt kind of like weird and gossipy and and divisive in a way that i don't really feel like i get from a lot of people now i mean obviously people are going to say that about whack probably not but just like the messiness you know so much messy shit but like it's been so much messy shit yeah since but i do feel like most of us get along like pretty good in comparison you know yeah but it's worse things have happened since and it's like what's so what if that's how it is haven't you grown as a as an owner since since then haven't you learned a lot since then massively like in how to to conduct and how to lead this and that and i would say like the thing with with doughboy you know what i mean like and then moose man coming in like those things could have been handled better you know what i mean like i think like not putting moose man in front of whack at that time you know what i mean like that was that was a play that was like so okay no i mean it was real but i like arranged it for content like so i saw a podcast that i saw a show that you did and it was like dough boy was sitting there instead of moose and i was like that shit would have been way better if moose was sitting there yeah you know what i mean and it's like sometimes we'll do plays and do this and that but it was like that would have been way better yeah if he'd have been there and then like dough boys i don't know what to say like the way his like uh introduction or whatever this is it's not conducive for hit like his life yeah yeah no I feel bad about that shit because it's like, what is this dude dealing with?

1:26:45Yeah. It has started to get to that point where it's kind of like, damn, this seems so unhealthy for him that it almost makes me want to pull the plug on the whole operation. But obviously he's not going to see that as an act of empathy. He's just going to take that as me rejecting him, which is kind of like, I think the vibe is almost becoming like it looks and feels like we just took doughboy and just threw him to the wolves and just let everybody just chew his ass up but the reality of like how he got brought in was kind of like yo this guy been a while now he's older he's like you know it felt like he was going to add like a different level of maturity or growth to the platform and then instead just like it created like more bullying and sort of like mean podcasting which is like almost the exact thing that like when we tried to find these new hosts that we trying to avoid right so can the shit be right it i'm not 100 sure but i mean i think there's always going to be small things like that that happen and it's just like we're never at a finished product but there's always ways things can be better or whatnot yeah no definitely um that's the angle that's the the direction for sure is is growth and in unity well when you look at like what's going on with your podcast do you feel like you're married to the structure that you have now which is just you and the two homies shooting the shit or like what are your bigger goals or do you have anything else that like kind of stands out to you that you'd like to create in addition to that or well that's just one podcast on the platform the syndicate i have the imperfect perspective with the two girls and then i have the wake-up show i have reality check i have hidden heroes and i have um father like son where i'm interviewing having my son and me interviewing other fathers and sons.

1:28:32How old is your son? 10. Wow. Yeah. And so we got our first episode done and it's dope as f***. Really? You know what I mean? And it's just like this is my lane of where I'm going to be. There's going to be a need for this. There's always going to be parents. There's always going to be some older people that want to see some content that is impactful with intent to be impactful. Like I want you guys to see the struggles as a dad. I want and I asked my son in the interview I'm like, what am I doing wrong as a father? You know what I mean? Like, be honest. You know what I mean? And he says what I'm doing wrong.

1:29:09What kind of stuff do you say? Ten is so young. Ten is so young. To be on camera. And so he basically says, like, the pressure that I'm putting on him in sports. You know what I mean? Like, he's like, I don't like this and the things that he does like. But it's the honesty of having your babies be able to be safe enough to share the truth. And being in a place where you can receive that constructive criticism is what I think everybody needs to see. And these kids are the kids that I got coming on, the dads I have coming on are dopest. And that's Society of Freedom, the platform. Syndicate is a podcast on Society of Freedom.

1:29:46Right. Manny and Fred and Javonda Anya with Imperfect Perspective where I had Tiny. Keem is the first guest on the syndicate. And so we're just in the beginning. We're just in the beginning. And I feel like for me to grow, I had to do my complete rounds. And you reaching out was the right time where I was like, you know what? What am I avoiding? What's the reason? You can say silly shit all you want, but there's no reason. Right. and so yeah that's what we're doing over there i want to just build out the platform i love the idea you know your son but i'm very uh interested to see how it go because like i've been said in the past that i feel like podcasting is kind of an old heads game in a way because even like in your 20s i don't know if i can think of anybody that i consider like a really good podcaster who's in their 20s i feel like usually it's like in your 30s that it really starts to kick in and oh i okay I guess if I go to like the political sector, I know some like debaters and shit.

1:30:46Really good. Yeah. Wes. There's a kid, Adam Mockler, who I interviewed, who's like unbelievable, like machine gun debater. And he's so young and I'm so like astounded by how smart he is for such a young age. But I mean, I feel like that I would just be really interested. Did you see this clip that went viral of like, there was a podcast with like a bunch of like, I'm going to say that they're like, they're like 14 year old boys and they're talking about their favorite foods. and they're talking about like pizza and like one of the kids is like I like pepperoni and the other one's like I like pepperoni too but I also like meat lovers and one of the kids is like oh I never had meat lovers a bunch of turtles that's the kind of conversation we would have in high school though like everybody's kind of dumb like you're just talking about food you don't know anything but by the time you're 35 it's like you ate a lot of different pizza yeah and so but that's the thing is like being able what podcasting is getting played out in the, in the fashion or the form that it is now when there's not realness to it.

1:31:48And what the expectation and the realness to it is a 10 year old don't know shit. All they know is what they experienced. Yeah. And when they share that, the shit could be crippling to a parent. They're not here to, everybody knows a 10 year old ankle podcast is not going to be a good podcaster. But, but I mean talking about his family dynamic and his dad and shit, that's the kind of thing that he could talk about. because he is an expert on his own family. And pressures that you, what is school like? What is this? Do you feel like that you're doing what you want to do? What do you want to do?

1:32:18And it's more like the darndest things that kids say. Right, yeah. Mixed in with two dads that are proud. And then the son's telling them how proud they are. It's just a feel good. It's not for anything other than feel good TV. You know what I mean? and people love to hear kids be honest and be cute little kids. And so that's – and I don't know how long it's going to go. I don't know how many I'm going to do, but – He's your oldest? No, my oldest is 20. Oh, shit. Yeah. My oldest is 20, yeah. What's she doing? He is going to school. Yeah, he goes to college. Oh, nice. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah, I mean – 20, 15, and 10.

1:32:55Wow. Yeah, as a person who has a five-year-old, like anybody with older kids than mine, I'm just like kind of in awe because you've played the game a lot further than me. Yeah. I'm sure I have a lot to learn. It's a trip. But I'm just building, man. That's really it. And I'm trying to be a bridge builder is what I'll – and I can't remain quiet because I've seen too many of the hypocrisies. You know what I mean? Like the reserve – even me, the reserve judgment for Adam. But I don't reserve that judgment over here. And if you're going to think something, that just has to be equal across the board.

1:33:32and so i've seen a lot of hypocrisy and it's like this shit needs to stop it's stupid first off get this shit done get it together and let's all win dude yeah i mean i i feel like you know who's a funny character in all this is mac wop because man mac wop was kind of in a way like the one who i'm not gonna say caused the big breakup but he predicted it like right before it happened i think I think he said, like, they got a year left, and then it was, like, three weeks later, everything starts falling apart. It was, like, it was weirdly, like, early on in. But I think that, like, somebody like him at a certain point, once the allure of the beef kind of wore off, he kind of was looking at it like, well, I have no reason to have a beef with Adam or anybody else over there.

1:34:22I think at the time he was maybe a little disgruntled with how his relationship with T-Rail didn't necessarily go so great. and he you know we popped up on there and like did the podcast with him and everything was normal and good and i think like the reasonable perspective from his perspective is like i'm doing my own content obviously my own content is always going to take center stage with me but why wouldn't i kind of go on this bigger platform and get some of the attention that like you know a lot of it has sort of worn away but like you know the reason why at certain points somebody like t-reld or ad would have like a lot of live viewers and be like really getting a lot of views is because they had kind of inherited a lot of the fan base at that time and you know somebody like macwab is kind of like well why didn't i or like what's stopping me from getting a little bit of that you know getting in the algorithm over there it was good for you but not good for me basically like yeah you could benefit from it and it's like i just look at shit like okay so blase blase blase can do this and this and that and you're not going to go and say your your part and do you do it and it's just I had to do it with a purpose like I just can't do things just to do shit like that's just not how I get down and so I really wanted to to pick your brain on on that you know what I mean like like why I know you know better than it you know I mean but sometimes we get stuck in our shit right and um and just with the way that you see things are going like with ai with how the the record labels are changing don't you see the opportunity that arises for people that have already established themselves like like part of it feels like an opportunity part of it feels like the world is going in a direction where content is kind of being devalued because you know like short like i think the number one culprit of that is that short form content has taken over everything and a lot of people like even myself didn't really understand or grasp what was happening until relatively recently like the other day i was hanging out with like a a family friend that we have and she said yeah i don't know if i ever watched a podcast and i'm thinking wow that's crazy you're like 35 years old you never watched a podcast and then throughout the rest of the day hanging out she mentioned multiple different podcast clips just watching clips she's watching it on probably tiktok tiktok is like the app for people who don't know anything else about the internet but they're on tiktok you know but but everything's on reels everything's on facebook so it's kind of like inescapable all these short form clips and i was just thinking i'm like that is kind of like a huge percentage of people at this point where they don't take the time to watch full-length podcasts they just watch whatever clips pop up and they assume that they don't have to watch the full-length podcast because if there's anything really important it's going to pop up as a clip right it's kind of like not true but there's a lot of truth to it you know it's like the most salacious thing that happens on like i don't watch joe rogan but i'll watch a clip all the time yeah clip pops up good caption i'm gonna watch it i almost never watch a full interview he would have to interview one of the people that i consider like the most interesting people in the world for me to dedicate three hours to it you know so it's it's like i feel like that is so quickly becoming the norm i'm walking doing a walk in the morning with my dogs and the mexican guys are sitting there having their lunch and what are they doing they're scrolling tiktok and i'm like yeah i i think that's the biggest thing is that like somehow your business model now has to like embrace short form and clipping to a to a serious degree and like one thing i've been seeing is i see a lot of people who like manage to fit their sponsors into the short clips so maybe your actual podcast doesn't make that much money or get that many views but when the clips are going crazy you could sell an advertiser on the fact of like hey my clips did 50 million views this month and you know if you have your logo right here or whatever then you're in every single one of them that's exactly you know it's like i feel like that kind of thing is probably where things are going even talk shows are dead now talk shows want to look like podcasts now Now they, on talk shows in$20 million studios, they put a mic just like this in front of the person because to the person viewing it, it seems authentic.

1:38:37Yeah. Oh, the mic means that this is some real shit. Exactly. And if it looks like the ESPN set with the crazy camera on the boom and it's zooming in and there's no mic because it's all like whatever. I mean, to a lot of people, that seems kind of fake. So authenticity right now is key. Yeah. And so if they feel like it's manufactured, they'd rather go to independent news right now. And that's why you got to be careful with what you're watching and what you're saying, because people are taking it for truth. But they're leaving this manufactured shit and coming to this. You know what I mean? Like, so, yeah, you may think short form is done.

1:39:19All that fake shit is done because a lot of the long form shit is like fake like shit. Like when you talk like black culture, right? Like is the most polarizing culture because black pain, black hate, black love, black entertainment, black sports, everything is the biggest money makers. You can right now you could make money just off being racist to black people. We all saw it. We all saw that. Like right. We have a celebrity that we all now know about just for being racist, just for being racist. You can make money. They'll go fund you. They'll pay your bill. And it's like, This shit has to be combated with the real shit.

1:39:59If they'll pay to just like Apollo, that's just young black men just being black men. They're not doing nothing special. They're just funny, laughing. It's just you're in the living room with them. And black culture is so powerful and so amazing. And that's really, for everybody out there, that's where everything is going is black culture. yeah myron myron he's his main thing that he's fave was for women hating but then uh black people hating then transvestite hating it's like you go from one hate train to the next hate train yeah and so with you you're a part of hip-hop you're part of rap now like i don't know more so like street shit you're involved with but if you invest in what the black culture truly is you got a head of the game on everybody but you have to value what is there like i know you do value it but you have to value it enough to spend time in it and and and be the and appreciate what's there because all these is getting left behind yeah fast you just mean like the establishment sort of mainstream voices yeah they're all getting left behind because but it's kind of weird now where like when you look at the top podcast a lot of it is just straight up celebrity like the amy polar podcast is like the number one number three podcast in america she started that shit like this year and she's a famous actress and comedian but it it is kind of like damn like maybe that's where the game goes but then also if you like how but a lot of how i mean yeah big marketing budget behind it but also she's interviewing all the biggest celebrities okay you know so it's like that kind is going to draw on a huge audience.

1:41:46Yeah, obviously if it was like her and her homegirl sitting there, it would be a way different thing. But that's the thing that was a lot easier in 2017 was to get big name interviews. Now if you want a big name interview, you're competing with Shannon Sharp, you're competing with Joe Rose. It's like everybody is kind of vying for the same guest. But if you look at the timeline and where it's going, that shit is going to die. Maybe. That celebrity shit is like, oh, so you're just throwing a celebrity on you? you just throw in celebrity people are gonna get wind of that shit and be like this is whack that's not even the shit i deal with like caller daddy is the most popular women's podcast and the chick who hosted is like absolutely horrible as an interviewer but she gets all the biggest she got miley cyrus she got like the biggest like i can't even name them all but she gets like the biggest guests especially in the female genre yeah and even like i i've watched a couple youtube videos from like women tearing her apart talking about how she's like arguably one of the worst interviewers of all time i agree like she it's like she's she's asking questions from like a list and then the next question is just another question that's from the list whereas like from my perspective it's like you're not a real podcaster unless you're listening to what the person says and then saying something off the top of your head that relates to what they said like that is the game that we're playing and if you're just reading from a list you're doing something else right you know but then you got your charleston whites if you get a charleston white you clipped him and did this and look how well those are he's he's a celebrity but he's not a celebrity you know what i mean but he's instantaneous views right now because he's on everybody he's everywhere he's all over the place and you find your people you find the ones and it'll go crazy like yeah i'm just i i don't know man it's just what i heart i mean i heard breakfast club live streaming on netflix these motherfuckers is just sitting on a radio station yeah what the are they doing that you're not doing nothing like it's like this i mean charleston to me is kind of like a fascinating person because like okay i'll toss it to you what what does charleston white's massive enduring success say about the black community from your perspective the black community what does he say or what does his success say his success like like the fact that he is so popular, it's kind of like, I feel like there's got to be conclusions to be drawn about what, and it's not like his fan base is all black.

1:44:11It's probably a majority, but tons of white people and people in between as well. It says the same thing about why Mayweather was so successful. Because there's just as many people that hate him that like him. And more people that hate you are going to watch you than like you. And so it goes to what I was saying, that hate train shit is waiting for him to get, somebody's probably waiting for Charleston White to get beat up. They've tried actually a bunch of times. You know what I mean? And so it's just watching. Charleston White has figured out that I can be a character and not even mean none of the shit I say.

1:44:48You're going to say black people have no heart? Like that was the most like, oh yeah, he's gone. But I think he takes things that he really means, but then he like exaggerates them for effect. Yeah. You know, like I don't think he would, he doesn't literally think black people have no hearts, but I think he probably would say that a lot of like gangsters and you know, how big of a percentage is gangsters of the black community? Yeah. But, but that is like less viral to say gangsters or drill rappers have no heart. You say black people have no heart. Okay. Now my ears have peaked up because you just said something that really stands out to me.

1:45:21Cause I know it's not true, but I want to hear what the you're going to say. Right. Yeah. If Charlie Kirk can talk about black people and that, that's viral. him just talking about black like it's just it's just the black hate the black culture is polarizing yeah and he charleston white is a character i feel like he's a character that the kevin hart roast writers developed they developed him they wrote him into existence that's why i feel like charleston white they have to kind of like fake it more to basically end up saying the things that charleston white just says naturally you know yeah like this real shit like yeah they're just and i see it too because like all right there's a dude from uh from texas that i interviewed this dude red dog and he's he's like a pyru but he's white from out there did a bunch of prison time whatever cool ass dude and he basically said charleston white because charleston had like made fun of his dead homie or some shit like that and and this dude's a hard ass too this red dog dude he's a scary but he the interview i just did with charleston on sunday at a certain point in the interview he finally decides to address red dog after a few months and he does so because he timed it he's kind of a mastermind but he because red dog has like 20 kids but one of them got killed by the cops and so he just took this occasion to unload on him talking about i'm glad the cops killed your kid all like the worst shit i could ever think of and i'm just kind of sitting there like i got you know i was happy to get some trust and white interviews in but now all of a sudden i'm sitting here saying something that i like so don't agree with but like how could i even like jump in between you and this camera and stop you from doing what you're like unquestionably the best at which is just violating yeah or how do you not post that yeah i and i feel like me like silencing him when red dog does an interview and he shits on charleston yeah it's like this is a tit for tat i don't really feel like i need to censor you even though i do feel like i'm gonna have to have a conversation with a red dog at a certain point to be like listen bro like i don't get behind like making fun of somebody's dead kid is like so far beyond horrible he didn't kobe's daughter this like he's just done shit that's like literally like dangerous like levels of shit but it's like okay so how they're like uh the chud thing with sneeko and academics trying to tell uh black people what to accept or what should trigger you like oh you guys are the only ones triggered by words that's a lie everybody's triggered by words yeah but they're developing this telling us how to feel type shit right and then now we have this shock value shit of where he's out here just saying the worst shit the standard that you accept oh accept this uh accept him saying this accept him saying you don't have it's a smoke screen for the acceptance of the next lower standard and it's like if you can accept this what's the next one that we go with it's never just the one that they're talking about they already have two behind it and it's just going to get lower and lower because even him on a personal level you know you can't just keep saying this dead gang member you can't it doesn't stand out anymore at a certain point a couple years ago yeah we all had our ears perked up when he i i he wasn't around during when nipsey died right but He was around when like King Von died.

1:48:41I remember him talking shit about that. Going crazy, going crazy on people. But that dies. That dies down. What's next? What's the, oh, his kid is next. Okay, after his kid. What's next? Like, and it's, I mean, dude, it's just, how valuable is shock in media? Extremely, yeah. Do you think there's a point where we have to say no to the shock? Or is it just going to just continue to take over? i mean i think the point at which people like say no to it is the people like chud the builder who are like basically de-platformed by every like streaming service and everything like that he had to stream on some weird platform for a while there um i don't think they're like yeah i don't think like making fun of like people's dead loved ones as much as it's up it's like that's not going to get banned from the platform you know like that's just like that that just happens kind of a lot it's like hard to police that like the things that they'll ban you for like the big obvious things Like if you're screaming the hard R at random people, okay, now we're talking, you know, it was like similar language about other groups for sure could get you.

1:49:42But yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's like, it's going to go to religious figures. It's like after, after draw the profit, you can't draw the profit. You can't do this about Jesus. Like that's the next level shit. But that's what academics said that ethered Sneeko. Yeah, that's exactly. That was the Trump card though. I seen academics get more praise for that from the black community on Twitter than I've seen him get in years and they can't and a lot of people can't stand him yeah but they were like yeah with you after that because that was really good that was real because it is so true is that if you want to say hey you shouldn't get offended by the n-word the the ultimate thing to say is like well all right then i'm gonna say this that and the other thing about allah yeah and what are you gonna say yeah and then you feel the same exact way about the prophet as as black people feel about that exactly and then he he ethered uh myron too oh yeah uh that uh he was like oh so we're the only ones who get violent over stuff they put your name on a bomb to kill people right you think that's worse than punching somebody and then also what's the ratio he did it a thousand times only one person punched him what does that say but he's we only react okay they put your name Sneaker's name on the bomb to kill people.

1:50:55I actually really feel like the Children of the Builders saga, if anything, like kind of disproved the notion that black people are so insanely violent. Like it took a long time of some of the most aggressive provocation you could ever imagine. Now, granted, dude's blicked up. So, I mean, a lot of people are just not going to wild out because they don't want to die. And he was the most violent one. Yeah. And his violence was the top violence. The other dude fought him, tried to punch him. He shot him and himself. Like, he did really the reverse Uno card. Like, actually, they look like when Nick Fuentes is saying, no, y 'all tripping, you expect him not to do anything?

1:51:34So I'm saying, like, the villain to hero shit is like, hey, people can't stand is even saying, yeah, this shit is whack. You guys are coming down on people. What do you expect them to do? Where's their room to breathe? Yeah, I think Nick Fuentes is just, he's a racist, but he's not the kind of racist that Chud the Builder is, where he's not going out screaming the N-word in people's faces. He actually has, you know, he's cool with Kanye. He's a logical racist. Yeah, you know, he's throwing an academic finish on it. Yeah, he's a practical, logical racist. Yeah. Chud the Builder is all physical, all shock, all in your face.

1:52:15You know what I mean? Slapstick. Me growing up, that was what we thought racism was. We thought racism was like skinheads. Yeah. And like people, you know, dudes with the Confederate flag on their truck and they're screaming the hard R at somebody or whatever. That was racism is a bunch of morons who you could never have imagined it being appealing to a smarter crowd. And now you have somebody like Nick Fuentes who has like a, you know, a pretty high IQ and he's doing the racism thing. And ultimately it's just like that's a lot more enduringly popular to a lot of people. so it's like kind of like a new style of villain that we didn't necessarily i wouldn't have been able to expect it when i was a kid and when i talked about racism i'm thinking we're talking about american history x right yeah and this is that's what i'm saying the it changes its face and the standard will will change and drop and we'll we'll say oh man violence is attached to to black people right like oh you're in your neighborhood this and that oh it's it's the it's the culture but when corporate america or whatever is is doing all this toxic shit or giving bad shit to humans or whatever we always attach it to corporate america not what the people look like or what the people who run the company's culture is we attach it to the corporation we attach street violence or street crimes to the culture yeah this is like right in front of your right in front of your face but when everybody up top looks alike or shares it and it's all men or whatever we don't attach it to the culture of those people we attach it to the corporation to the system when the government is this dirty and does all this up shit we don't attach it to what the people look like in their culture we attach it to the government right but when it's black people we attach it to the culture yeah and that's up yeah street level shit attached to our culture definitely yeah it sucks that white people are so underrepresented in the streets it's just when you think about it it's like damn like because what they have yeah the the the lineage and what the the what they have built you know what i mean like they're in a different world but just because they're in a different world don't stop anybody or everybody from being imagine if la there's just a couple of blocks in compton or it's just all white people and they all just seek healing everything and they got swastikas all over their cars and shit like that compton used to be all white yeah but not that kind of way not that kind of way as orange county yeah i hear about it i never really seen it in front of my face but people send me pictures with like hanging out huntington beach and they'll see some dude with a huge nazi sign on the back of his head some of the most racist shit i've dealt with has been in huntington beach i used to go out there as a uh a kid because we used to have uh still skateboard shit yeah and so but out there hunting and beach they are really racist yeah like for real for real that's like kind of your hub if you want to be racist you're a white guy you're probably gonna end up over there yeah yeah so stay the over there um but uh yeah all right i gotta go head to this comedy show so let's let's do this tell me give me the update on everything you have going on right now and what rios is building and what you want to see for this expanded podcast community that we're all a part of Okay, so what Rios is doing, I got my Instagram, my TikTok, my Kik, YouTube.

1:55:29So YouTube is Society of Freedom. My Kik and everything else is Mr. Jason Rios, Mr. Jason Rios on Instagram, on TikTok, and on Kik. And what I'm doing is through Society of Freedom is I'm building a platform where it's creating a safe space to communicate, to build bridges, to talk about things that maybe not other podcasts are talking about because it's not viral or whatever, but there's a space to talk about the things that we need to talk about, giving a voice to people who don't have a voice and platforming people that need to be heard, that won't necessarily be heard on bigger platforms. So that's Society of Freedom.

1:56:09I'm just trying to do as much as I can there. and then with the unity of what I want to see is I want to see the West win. You know what I mean? Like I feel like we've been at the bottom of the boot of everybody and they're focused on us when we're not focused on them because we're focused on each other. And they're looking from the outside like, look at these fools. We don't even got to worry about them yet. By the time they get to the real war, they're going to have taken out half of the army. And so we're so focused on each other and not building with each other that everybody has one up on us, but they're way less powerful.

1:56:44So I just want us to realize how great we are together. You know what I mean? And yeah, Petty, this shit is fun and funny or whatever, but at the end of the day, I think we all see the value in being together. Division is not it. I agree. Final question, is it safe to say that given some of his recent sort of snitch style behavior that Poetic Flacco is no longer baby Ace Boy Trey. He's never been. Remember you used to say that? It went off about like three years ago. Yeah, he f***ed that up. Fred don't play around. You know what I mean? Sorry, Flacco. Flacco is, I mean, man, I ain't got no words.

1:57:31He's one of a kind. One of a kind, but I will say this. talented as yeah and unbelievably hardworking I gotta give him that too very talented hardworking dude entertaining but still got some shit to work on you know what I mean like just because numbers and this and that and money money and numbers ain't everything still work on what he needs to work on and I think even with him he needs to do some community work as well you know what I mean like get in the community talk to some aunties get around go to the parks go to this like it's one thing to have lip service behind a desk and say you care about the people but where's the work to match the care Flacco we're looking at you shout out to Rios we'll put the link to his channel and everything in the description so you guys should definitely check that out or just search the Syndicate podcast on YouTube I really appreciate you being down to have a conversation I was kind of curious about you it was dope getting to watch a bunch of your content and I appreciated the conversation thank you brother thank you for having me hopefully everybody enjoyed it No Jumper coolest podcast in the world like comment and subscribe and shout out to our members who got to watch this live.

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