In short
Royalty (a YouTube personality and mother) and CJ So Cool (internet rapper/celebrity) are discussed through their long, public relationship and later accusations, including alleged cheating, domestic conflict, money disputes, and a claim that CJ was involved in a shooting/home invasion. The episode also covers a serious allegation that CJ touched Royalty’s oldest daughter, plus broader debate about accountability and relationship dynamics.
Guest backgrounds
Royalty is an Albuquerque, New Mexico native and a tech/entrepreneurial figure known for being a YouTube couple with CJ So Cool (together 2013–2021; “internet breakup” earlier). Bill Simmons hosts. Other speakers include No Jumper personalities and a male guest who claims a tech/engineering background and coaching people into tech.
Key claims
Royalty says she disclosed having children early and CJ accepted. She denies faking breakups. She says the relationship turned “toxic” quickly (“day two”), with physical altercations described as mutual. She claims CJ cheated and that the “last straw” was repeated apologies without change, plus spending her money (“tricking”/lipo). She denies being responsible for CJ’s shooting and says she’s “free.” She says CJ accused her mother of fabricating the daughter allegation. She argues the justice system may lack evidence even if something happened.
Notable examples
Royalty references a prior case where a woman accused Sean Oakman of rape; he was found not guilty and later lost draft value. She also mentions a “DMs/messages” claim she says were fake. She describes a pickup-at-police-station confrontation involving “goons” and threats online.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWelcoming Royalty
0:27 to 1:01
The hosts welcome their guest Royalty, discussing her significance and nervousness.
“Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.”
Discussion on Background and Origin
1:01 to 1:40
Royalty shares details about her background, including her roots in Albuquerque.
“When I heard that royalty wanted to lock in, I said, man, listen.”
Meeting CJ So Cool
1:40 to 2:29
Royalty recounts how she met CJ So Cool in a club with her mom's help.
“Well, one, is this like your first time like in L.A.”
Royalty's Family Dynamics
2:29 to 3:56
Royalty talks about her mother and the family dynamics, including her kids.
Royalty's Age and Kids
3:56 to 4:50
Royalty discusses her age, her oldest child, and the transition to being an adult.
“Look here, I don't disclose nobody's age.”
Relationship with CJ So Cool
4:50 to 6:05
Royalty discusses her relationship with CJ So Cool, including challenges.
“three kids she messaged a so cool man that would have been hard to accept but now I'm looking at you like yeah any would have accepted like any would have said bro lobby out for stepdaddy duties man.”
Breakups and Public Image
6:05 to 6:40
The conversation turns to their breakups and how it was perceived publicly.
“So, okay, so, like, did y 'all ever fake a breakup for the internet?”
Toxic Relationship Dynamics
6:40 to 7:21
Royalty reveals how their relationship dynamics turned toxic early on.
“Wait, so all the 20 ,000 breakups before that, where we are out the house, was all real?”
Physical Altercations in the Relationship
7:21 to 8:20
The hosts discuss instances of physical altercations during the relationship.
“Because at that point, once you're in a public relationship as a YouTube couple, it's no longer like your relationship at that point, right?”
CJ's Cheating Behavior
8:20 to 9:45
Royalty shares her thoughts on CJ's infidelity and his character.
“And, you know, knock you out a couple times, you know.”
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Financial Dynamics in the Relationship
9:45 to 11:12
Royalty discusses the financial dynamics and how money influenced their relationship.
Decision to Leave the Relationship
11:12 to 12:15
Royalty explains the moment she decided to leave and the factors involved.
“So it's just like, okay, the change is not changing so I know you not changing so I'm just gonna leave.”
Unseen Aspects of Their Relationship
12:15 to 14:00
Royalty reveals untold aspects of her relationship with CJ that the internet didn't see.
“And when you decided I'm leaving the house, did you consult like your mom first?”
Navigating Relationship Dynamics
14:00 to 15:00
Exploration of relationship complexities and disrespect in partnerships.
Accusations of Infidelity
15:00 to 17:00
A discussion on infidelity and relationship history with accusations of cheating.
“Why do you think it was so impossible for y 'all to essentially just just break up and co-parent and, you know, and amicably and not take it to the Internet?”
Reality of Parenting Situations
17:00 to 19:04
Insights into co-parenting, relationship roles, and responsibilities.
“Because one would say, listen, if you have a man who's stepping up.”
Strange Encounters and Breakups
19:04 to 20:00
Details of an unexpected visit from an ex-partner and its implications.
“Wait, who brought, but hold on, elaborate.”
Suspicion and Accusations of Violence
20:00 to 22:20
Examining the suspicion surrounding incidents of violence involving ex-partners.
“I don't really affiliate myself with any of them.”
Threats and Defense Mechanisms
22:20 to 25:00
Discussion of threats made during exchanges and the need for defense.
“rapidly trying to get me to come to the house, but I never showed up.”
Exploring Relationships with Friends
25:00 to 28:00
Addressing past relationships and the dynamics with mutual friends.
“My kids get to you know, be around their dad.”
Clarifying Allegations Against CJ So Cool
28:00 to 32:00
The hosts discuss allegations made against CJ So Cool, including personal experiences and the complexities surrounding them.
“Look, listen, like, he's never really, he's never crossed that line with me.”
Discussing Serious Accusations
32:37 to 35:18
A serious conversation about the implications of false accusations and personal experiences with the justice system.
“So again, I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm saying there's really no consequence for women who lie so there's a bunch of women who are just out here living their life after lying.”
Navigating Relationships Post-Accusation
35:18 to 38:06
Exploring the complexities of relationships and trust in light of ongoing accusations and personal histories.
“there's been now like I think the DMs were like Jalea allegedly talking to somebody else but it wasn't verified to be real or not.”
Understanding Masculinity and Relationships
38:06 to 42:01
A discussion on masculinity, relationship dynamics, and personal anecdotes of dating and investing in relationships.
“Before I jump in here, where this nigga on the internet right now?”
Investing in Relationships
42:01 to 43:35
Discussion on the importance of investment in relationships and accountability.
“They're not making women invest in them.”
Average vs. Exceptional
43:36 to 45:07
Exploration of societal norms regarding average individuals and accountability.
“A loser, in my definition, is someone who lacks accountability.”
Gender Accountability
45:08 to 46:04
Debate on gender roles and the accountability of men and women in relationships.
“We got to go out and hunt jaguars or some shit like that, right?”
Leadership in Relationships
46:05 to 47:00
Discussion on the dynamics of leadership and partnership in relationships.
“is dudes have bad experiences with some women who are pieces of shit and then they project that on most women.”
Expectations in Dating
47:01 to 48:28
Exploration of expectations and roles in romantic relationships.
“you want to live in New York for whatever reason.”
Women and Relationship Dynamics
48:29 to 50:36
Insight into how women navigate relationships and their preferences.
“If the pilot is incapacitated, who would you like to grab the helm?”
Options and Behavior
50:37 to 51:48
Discussion on how options affect women's behavior in dating.
“I had a homie, I had a mentor who told me, he was like, bro, go to the strip club and be in that bitch for two years.”
Financial Status and Decisions
51:49 to 54:27
Examining how financial status influences decisions and accountability.
“She didn't have to act like she likes a nigga.”
Tough Love in Coaching
54:28 to 56:00
The importance of tough love in helping individuals make better decisions.
“Okay, so 75 % of women are making bad decisions.”
Discussion on Women's Honesty and Self-Perception
56:00 to 59:40
Explores perspectives on women's honesty and self-image, touching on societal expectations and personal experiences.
“But like there's something called soft bigotry.”
The Role of Men in Relationships
59:40 to 1:04:50
Addresses men's responsibilities in relationships and the importance of accountability for both genders.
“Like, he does what he does and he's profitable.”
Understanding Men's Struggles and Relationships
1:04:50 to 1:06:38
Discusses the struggles men face in relationships and the impact of self-worth on romantic connections.
“So, bro, what I do is I specifically coach, right, six and seven figure earners, right, who are they want a relationship, right?”
Understanding Men's Struggles and Relationships
1:07:08 to 1:08:50
Discusses the struggles men face in relationships and the impact of self-worth on romantic connections.
“Why aren't most men doing what I'm doing?”
The Dynamics of Relationships and Honesty
1:10:02 to 1:13:36
Explore the complexities of relationship dynamics and the importance of honesty.
“So if you start by asking for permission, you're going to end up in the whole relationship asking for permission.”
Influential Women in Personal Growth
1:13:36 to 1:15:59
Discuss how certain women can significantly influence a man's personal growth and discipline.
“Have you ever with a woman who changed your life more than you changed hers?”
The Complexities of Modern Relationships
1:15:59 to 1:18:26
Analyze how past relationships affect current dating scenarios and perceptions of control.
“And I'm like, damn, this is a good friend.”
Manipulation and Social Dynamics
1:18:26 to 1:22:02
Examine how manipulation plays a role in social interactions between men and women.
“So why in the hell would you ever go back under another nigger's control?”
Biological Perspectives on Gender Differences
1:22:02 to 1:24:00
Discuss biological perspectives on how men and women interact and manipulate their environments.
“So lying is a manipulation tactic, correct?”
The Gender Dynamics in Crime and Manipulation
1:24:00 to 1:25:25
Explore the discussion on crime and social manipulation concerning gender dynamics.
“So the top one percent of course of people are it's not everybody's not in prison.”
Entertainment in the YouTube Space
1:25:26 to 1:27:35
Delve into the entertainment value of YouTube live streams and gossip culture.
“so I'm saying the men who are manipulated they sound like the liars schemers and the liars they're being convicted more than chicks there's just not a lot of masculinity here, bro.”
Building Relationships and Personal Growth
1:27:36 to 1:29:38
Discuss the importance of mutual growth in relationships and the programs to facilitate this.
“Meaning, bro, like, I was known as a Dr.”
Self-Image and Fitness Discussions
1:29:39 to 1:31:45
Converse about body image, fitness, and self-love within the context of personal health.
“Now, Kevo worked out a lot, but he you know, but but he was able to sculpt his perfect body.”
Self-Image and Fitness Discussions
1:33:09 to 1:33:40
Converse about body image, fitness, and self-love within the context of personal health.
“Cozy season is ahead, and you'll be spending way more time inside.”
Transcript
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0:50Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans. No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world, man. We back, man. Hey, listen, this is, listen, man. When I heard that royalty wanted to lock in, I said, man, listen. Let's do it. It feels like an early birthday gift, man. You feel me? When's your birthday? April 25th. Okay, very early. Well, late, right? Right, because April 25th, I just passed. But still, it's an honor, man. How you feeling, man? I'm nervous. You're nervous, why? I'm on No Jumper. Yes. Well, what? Well, one, like you've been like one of like the most famous people on the Internet for the last like what decade?
1:29Like I ain't that famous. You more famous than like no jumper. Right. No, no, no. No, don't feel like it. No, man. Well, one, is this like your first time like in L.A. or no? No, I always be in L.A. Oh, really? With who? I'd be in L.A., L.A. Like, OK, like what that mean? Like the gang territory? Yeah. Really? Yeah. you're gang affiliated? I be outside you're gang affiliated? No I didn't say all that you be with the hoods just a little bit yeah right cause what's the thing about you is you're really sweet but then like when we look at who you're next to you know okay you can you know like you can't play with her right?
2:15Wait yeah right so you're what you're from LA or you're from Vegas? I'm from albuquerque new mexico what's in albuquerque new mexico dirt pigs mooses cows indians indians yeah wait okay so how did you meet cj so cool in vegas when you're from albuquerque mexico in a club in the club walk me through that right because i heard mama was the wingman i mean i just saw somebody that was very attractive and i was like oh mom he's cute and then she did her little oh my daughter thinks she cute and that was it okay was that the first time that mom played like wingman like that I mean if I see somebody she'll be like oh my daughter thinks she cute and if I you know give them the time of day they gonna get it yeah alright so okay so mom was like yo she's cute now he said that like your mom was like really attractive and he was actually trying to look at her oh yeah I got a young looking mom really show me her you gotta go on Instagram mama royalty mama royalty man hold on man right what's mama man mama royalty you feel me because like i haven't seen seen her since since 2022 man is she still popping she definitely popping that's big grandma right there the real the real way wait but like her entire profile is you exactly that's mama royalty i'm Big royalty, and that's mama royalty.
3:44Hey, man, she kind of all right, man. You feel me? Hey, listen, but mama can get it. Shout out to mama, man. Okay. And she outside. She definitely outside. That's a young grandma for you. Black don't crack. How old is she? Look here, I don't disclose nobody's age. Because you're what, late 20s? Nah, definitely not. 30s. Yeah, in my 30s. Late 30s or early 30s? Mid 30s. mid 30s mid 30s 35 right on the money why really yes how old is your oldest kid because uh julia is 17 now right she's 18 she's 18 yes yo how do it feel to have like an adult now i feel the same no right because i feel like like now like so now that she's 18 like she's now like low-key like your homie right like you can go to like clubs with her now party with her chill with her no she's still my daughter no no I mean she'll get that little you know little friend vibes but you still my daughter yeah you ain't that grown man man look um prior to meeting you I was like three kids she messaged a so cool man that would have been hard to accept but now I'm looking at you like yeah any would have accepted like any would have said bro lobby out for stepdaddy duties man.
5:07You feel me, right? Sign you up. Sign me up, man. Immediately, man. Wait, so like when you like start talking to him, like did he know like off the rip within the first like few conversations or how did you like speak it on him? With anybody that I meet, I let him know that I already had like three kids. Well, now I got five, but like I've always let everybody know, like, look, I'm a mother. I got three kids. You're going to deal with me. You're going to deal with me. If you're not, then keep, keep it stepping. Yeah. And he was like very open from the rip with no hesitation. Oh, he was step daddy of the year.
5:35Yeah. Well, because at the time, he wasn't broke, right? Very broke. Yeah, so like, I guess I did. Okay, so like, did he look at you as a come up at that time? Because I feel like being broke, you kind of have to accept the three kids, right? Especially if she's lit and she got her own money. I mean, especially if you ain't got nowhere to go and your girlfriend just left you. I mean, where you gonna go? Yeah, homeless. Very homeless. No job, no car, just 20 pairs of Jordans in a suitcase full of clothes. That's it. What year did y 'all get together? 2013? 13 yes so we were together two years before we even got youtube famous that's true yeah now from 2013 and y 'all official breakup was 2021 correct now i mean official like as in like internet no internet like okay the internet knew but like before that we broke up like 20 million times yeah and like i would watch that and i always thought yeah this is a play Like, you know, this is fake, obviously, right?
6:35So, okay, so, like, did y 'all ever fake a breakup for the internet? No, never. Come on, royalty. Never. Wait, so all the 20 ,000 breakups before that, where we are out the house, was all real? Real. So what inspired you to keep taking him back? I mean, I was just like, you know, the sympathy, the feeling bad for somebody, you know, like, I'm sorry, I won't do it again. I love you. and, you know, we need to make this work. We got an empire. We got a foundation. We got a business. We got to keep going. Like, you know, that was just, that was just the motivation right there. Like, okay, we got to keep going.
7:11Like, we got to satisfy the inner man. We're like family goals, where relationship goals, you know, just keep up the facade, keep up the image, you know? Yeah, because how tough is that? Because at that point, once you're in a public relationship as a YouTube couple, it's no longer like your relationship at that point, right? Cause like, I feel like your breakup is breakup to a million people. Right. So like, was it tough to kind of like navigate, like to put like their feelings before yours? In a way, in a sense it was because it seemed like so many people like not depended on us, but like looked at us as like a perfect couple.
7:46Yeah. Yeah. Or perfect family or whatever, how they put the image of us to portray. But, um, it wasn't that, I'm sorry to tell you guys that. No facts. No. So, okay. So, 2013. So, how quickly did it get toxic? Day two. Day two. Okay. Day two, I was putting belt to ass. Define toxic. I mean, I was going, I didn't find out passwords. I didn't find out you was DMing millions of girls. From day two? Like, wait, okay. Yeah, you was trying to find out a place to live. And, you know, I had to take them little interview shoes that you had. And, you know, knock you out a couple times, you know. That's crazy.
8:26ass crazy so okay so it got very toxic like pretty soon yeah and did things ever get physical on his ass like him like he putting his hands on me i think it was kind of like the other way around really okay now okay i ain't violent now i don't provoke violence no i feel like if somebody's trying to get over me or try to you know try to lead me the wrong way and I feel kind of you know hot. So very early you started to whoop on his man. Maybe once or twice. Did he just like allow it and take it like I guess we was together for 10 years. I'll be real bro. Listen man you get a two times like two passes put hands on me bro.
9:16And after that man listen man the pimp ain't got to come out right. Hey, listen, come on. I don't promote violence, okay? I don't want to make it seem like I'm just out here beating his ass, but I'm just saying like... Wait, I... Okay, so now do you feel like you putting your hands on him was why he started to step out and cheat? No. He was just like that. He just was that type of person that was just in his blood. He was just like a serial killer? He was a whore, yes! A whore! okay so okay so you have no thought for why he cheated like not one like yo i'm royalty and i was perfect i mean i was royalty before i was even famous but just becoming like more famous made the name more bigger of course but yeah i don't believe that bro right that you did nothing wrong and that man which was just i mean i was the one that was working providing paying your child support all you did was like be a babysitter to my three kids that you wasn't a father of so i mean oh yeah that's true right because y 'all got together in 2013 and the money probably ain't coming till like 2018 2015 maybe yeah right 2015 2015 16 maybe yeah bet so exactly what was the last straw to say you know what i'm out the money get into their head like the money get into his head like like how being disrespectful like nigga you're not bigger than a program remember who the program is like we the program we would there's no iron team like we all built this together you didn't build this you didn't build this program by yourself yeah so just remember where you came from because remember you was living on my mom's floor you was sleeping with me on my mom's floor like you didn't have anything you didn't have a job you didn't have anything and i held you down two years before we even became youtube famous yeah if you would have stayed stay level-headed but still cheated and on the side would you have stayed um that's a tough question yeah right it is a tough question i mean no no if he was the perfect father the perfect man to you but he just had like he's just like a whore you know right like just okay you would still have left yes i would have if i built my own stuff like how i am now that i can you know be my own individual person yes i definitely would have leave because it's really not that big of a deal like i mean i can be happy by myself i can be you know happy not miserable by myself not with somebody else you know what i'm saying yeah so walking through like the day that you made up your mind i'm done and why was this different than the other 20 000 times i was just tired of hearing the same old sorry and I will change.
12:06The change never changed. Okay. So it's just like, okay, the change is not changing so I know you not changing so I'm just gonna leave. And when you decided I'm leaving the house, did you consult like your mom first? No. Okay, so you said, bruh, hey, I seen the phone today, I seen you was in this bitch's DMs, I'm done, I'm out. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of stuff that never really hit the internet. Like what? You trying to get that? Yeah, you're Hey, man, come on. Like what? I mean, I didn't see DMs where you trying to get bitches breast implants. Really? Yeah. He a trick. I guess that's what you want to call it.
12:48Now, okay, now to me, that's a mental illness, right? Because usually you got to be ugly and fat to trick. But if you are a handsome dude like him and you're rich and you got money and you got class, then why are you tricking? Yeah. Do you just feel like he's just mentally ill? He just loves it? I mean, whatever he did was what he did, but I just feel like, nigga, you didn't make that money by yourself. So why are you tricking off the money there? Oh, that's what it was. That's what it was. It's not the cheating, bruh. You're spending my money, nigga. Because I've experienced this recently too, bruh.
13:24You feel me? Right? A girl I didn't want to talk to no more, I gave her like a going-away present, which is, hey, listen, I felt bad that I guess I wasted your time. I didn't want you no more. So here's lipo. I'm done, right? The girl I left her for found out, and she's more mad at the lipo than mad at me saying, yo, I chose you over her. Wait, you want a girl lipo? As a going-away present, right? She found out, and she's more mad at me getting a lipo then yo I chose you over her yo I told her I don't want her no more because I'm talking to you but that was not enough you feel me and now I'm left with you know my two my two bad bitches left yo no but walk me through that though man like what goes in the psyche of a woman that the tricking is more insulting than just the general it's just the disrespect like nigga you didn't make that money alone you didn't do this by yourself there ain't no iron team and you spending the family money like this is not just your money and you you trying to offer a bitch some titties okay okay but the dick also belonged to the family right to the union right so like nah nah nah not like that it just gave away the dick shouldn't that be the same level of no no no no No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
14:58All right. So after he left, right? No, sorry. No, after you left. Yeah, I left. You're right. Why do you think it was so impossible for y 'all to essentially just just break up and co-parent and, you know, and amicably and not take it to the Internet? Why do you feel like things got as bad as it got? Because I'm dealing with a bitch. a bitch. Yeah, I'm dealing with another female. Like, I'm dealing with somebody that want to be me. Like, that's what I'm dealing with right now. Because I'll be real, if you can beat up the nigga, I feel like you got, like, the right to call him a bitch, right? Because you put hands on him, right?
15:41Feel me? Right? Now, some might say, though, now, okay, now, do you feel like it's karma? Because some might say, yo, you had a man that you left for CJ So Cool. now we know the story behind that right like the dude was i guess you know he was a good too right right i don't know all right so wait you talking about ad the king maker no who you talking about you okay you was with i think jamie before you was oh you're talking about my kid's first dad yeah Yeah, definitely a f***er. Right. But, though, according to CJ, you cheated on your kid's dad with him. Is that true? I mean, not necessarily cheated.
16:28I mean, I was the main provider for my kids. Hold on, though, bro. Nah, it was definitely not no cheating going on. When I start hearing language like that, not necessarily, not quite. Nah, come on, bro. Straight shooter, man. Straight shooter. Did you cheat on your kid's dad? Was he just so cool? I plead the fifth. So, yes. Right? So, yes. I don't know. Yes, right? Bro. All right. So, why? Yeah, right? Yeah. So, like, why? Okay. And that's the question, right? Like, why? Because one would say, listen, if you have a man who's stepping up. now he claims that when you first met him you thought that he had money because he was dressed like you know in like a certain way he had a suit yeah he had a nice lavender suit you know so yeah sophisticated so some might say you try to choose up and he tricked you no okay so yeah i mean it really wasn't like that i mean i'm used to like my my kid's father he was like a gangbanger like you know like i'm used to thugs i'm used to you know gangbangers so you know thugged out ass so when i seen a nigga with a suit i'm like oh okay and then i saw like oh he handsome so that's changing i mean i didn't say like oh my god he's the richest man in the world i'm gonna try to get at him and no it's like oh my god he's handsome so my mom you know she did a little play was like oh my daughter thinks you're handsome so after that the conversation came about where you know who we are what i do what he do and that's when i found out like he still was a nothing ass and I still was with him.
18:13Wait, but mom knew that you was in a relationship at the time. I mean, I don't really consider the relationship with my baby father relationship. He was more like a babysitter. A babysitter. Yeah. So at the time you told him, hey, I don't want to be with you no more, but you can still live here if you want. Or watch the kids. Okay. Wait, okay. So now how far did that go? Meaning like, was he like at the crib where you brought other men over? No, I mean, he would just like, when I was at work, he would watch my kids and then when I would come home, he would leave. Okay, okay, cool. So he was like, he was like, you know, our father, he was there to watch the kids so I don't have to drop him off at daycare.
18:51He was, you know, there to be there for his kids when he needed to. No, true. But then once the relationship ended, once you moved out, you brought him back to the house? Who? Now. Brought who back to the house? Now, there was an incident. Wait, who brought, but hold on, elaborate. brought who back to the house? There was an incident where Jamie showed up to CJ Kool's house. Okay, see that was the first time after we broke up, he just popped out of nowhere. Like, he just came to the house and just popped up. I don't know why he popped up. You can't ask me. You need to ask him. But that ain't got nothing to do with me.
19:24Now, we couldn't see who was recording him, but according to CJ, you was behind the camera recording Jamie, like, ringing the doorbell and asking him to come out. No, just to clarify this, I don't with baby daddy number one and baby daddy number two. Yeah. So you had no idea or reason why Jamie would show up back to the house. No. Days after you moved out. No. And I honestly let me get this out because I don't really speak about drama. I don't really speak about stuff. Sure. But since I'm on no jumper, I'm about to speak about that shit. You, you, you, you, you. Yeah, but got to. Come on. No, but no, I don't really.
20:05I don't really affiliate myself with any of them. I never, I don't know. So I don't even know how he got that, the address. I mean, maybe it's all on the internet. Come on, royalty. I really don't. I don't. Come on, royalty. That's the honest God truth on my kids. Like, I don't know. When I'm done with a nigga, I'm done with a nigga. It's a done data. Like, I don't spin the block. I don't do any of that. Because he's very suspicious of you. Who? CJ, right? Right? Because when Jamie pulled up and I think sometime afterwards was when the home evasion happened, right? Like, you know, like he got shot.
20:41No, I think that's probably years later. Like I broke up with him twice. So the first breakup is like when Jamie popped up and, you know, all that stuff was going on. But the second time was like the real deal. Yeah. So, no, I had nothing to do with any of that. Okay. Well, okay. So now I guess I like have to ask. Okay. Ask. Ask. Are you responsible for CJ Sukho getting shot? Am I sitting here right now? Yeah. Am I locked up? No. Okay, that gives you your answer. Wait, but has anybody been locked up for that? Yeah, they behind bars. Oh, a word? Yeah. Who? I don't know. You got to look it up. It ain't got nothing to do with royalty, though.
21:20Let's do your research. Right, because he's very suspicious of you. What he tries to do is he tries to tell the internet that me and my kids set him up, but he goes to like you know the federal and the police and say he don't know who it is but he tells the internet and everybody else that me and my kids did it but wait like i said i'm here now i'm free i'm walking around i'm living my life so if i was hold a five arrested three minors does it say royalty or it don't say royalty okay then so you have no idea who raven queen and Derrick Roberts is? No idea.
22:00So why did he suspect that you have something to do with it? I mean, I'm just his baby mama that's trying to level up and he's just mad because I don't want to be with him. Did y 'all have a bad argument before that? No, all I can remember is that that night that the shooting happened, he tried to beg me to come over to the house. Like he was calling me rapidly trying to get me to come to the house, but I never showed up.
22:28he was trying to get you to come to the house. Correct. I'll be real. This is like, this sounds like a double cross, bro. Right? Like it sounds like he tried to cross you and like you crossed them back. I mean, he tried to say that I wanted to, you know, take them out for 9 million, but it might be the other way around if you had insurance policies on the whole family. So I don't know. Here. So that one time, um, well, one time it's a lot of time. Yeah. You got to be specific. Yeah, no. When y 'all was having like a drop off of the kids. Still to this day. And he said that you had six goons with you and he pulled out his gun to protect himself.
23:07So what happened there? I mean, in the video, it's only three. Okay. So why did you bring three goons with you? Hey, you say you wanted to jump me and you had somebody ready for me. So I'm just saying like, I mean, I got people that protect me as well. Wait, I. Right. So walk us through that. They're like, OK, so what led up to y 'all doing in exchange? That's like them. They're like the like this, like a like it's like a gang battle. But like he got like his gut. You got like you're like goons with you. So what led up to that? Like, like, like, you know, like, you know, like a step by step. I mean, it led to the point where after that meetup that you're talking about with the six goons when it was only three.
23:48So I think that nigga seeing double. Yeah. But after that, I mean, now we pick up our kids at the. a police station. I mean, I think he's just really scared of like, I don't know if he's intimidated by me because it's literally me or my mom that just dropped my kids off. But that time that he did do that, it was like a threat made on the internet saying that, oh, I'm my baby mama's the bodyguard. I'm going to get her to beat you up type stuff. So, you know, if you, if you try to do something, just make sure, just know that I'm 10 steps ahead of you. Got you. He threatened you. Yeah, very much.
24:21And then you came. With the defense mode. Gotcha. And what sparked him to pull out his gun? Like, what was the exchange before that? I guess the 20 niggas that was out there. Come on. Wait. Come on, though. But do you feel like how that could be seen as, as, as like, you know, intimidation? Hey, don't start nothing. It won't be nothing. That's all I got to say. Don't make a threat. Because that man was terrified for his life. man. You feel me? Right? But now that's been like, that's been soft though. I mean, yeah, we, I mean, it's cool, you know what I'm saying? It's cordial, you know. It gets done.
25:04My kids get to you know, be around their dad. They get to be around their mom, so it is what it is. We like it how it is and it's, you know, it's no beef. It's no beef, but you know, I mean, I see you still on the internet talking about my kids and talking about me. But you know what, I'm gonna be the bigger person, but since I'm with you, Yeah. Now, hey, listen. We can turn it up a little bit. It's definitely still beef because I'm on like that nigga TikTok, man. You feel me? And he, you feel me? And like he's giving you hell. You feel me? Yeah. I mean, you know, we dealing with a kid. Now, part of the reason that he has like some type of I feel like he still hates you is because he thinks that you smashed or tried to smash CJ on 32.
25:49Did you? Never. Now, there's a video out, though, where CJ is saying, sorry, so CJ on 32 is saying that you offered it up and, you know, he turned it down. I don't know. I mean, I'm in here, bro. Here. Oh, my God. You feel me here? I don't know. I don't know about all that. Maybe, maybe, maybe not. Hey, man, we about to get down to the nitty gritty. to the bottom of this, man, because I'll be real. I'll probably hate you for life, too, man. You feel me? Right life. You feel me? I mean, I would hate me, too. I mean, if you slept with my friends, too. Bro, because I'm not even... I don't wish shit bad for you.
26:34We just not cool, and that's okay with me. And I don't regret nothing that we did, because we had a lot of good times, bro. And let's speak on that royalty thing. Like, y 'all know, come on, guys. If I had royalty, I'd come on here and say it. Was the opportunity pretty much presented to me? Yes. I'm going to be honest. Yeah, but. Now, come on, royalty. That's that man's best friend at some point. Nah, not really. Well, okay. Well, at some point, they presented their relationship to the internet as if they were best friends. I mean, but CJ was a snake. I mean, I mean, CJ So Cool was a snake. I mean, he really didn't.
27:10But our friend. He really envied that. He really envied him. Like, he really envied him a lot. It's a lot of stuff that a lot of people don't know, like on the internet. Like he really envied that. Yeah. Like he actually, he really looked up to that nigga. Just like he looked up to Batman Kevin. He looked up to these. Yeah. But why did you go after his homies specifically? Who said I did? Him. I mean, hey, I don't let nobody know my business. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, if I did, if I did, if I didn't, I didn't. Now, also, Tuto, I know he capping because I've seen you in person. Yeah. You gorgeous.
27:51I mean, it's the first time. Yeah. You gorgeous. So for him to say, man, I could have had it if I wanted to, man. Nah, like, nah. And he was fiending for it, right? Be real, man. No, never. No, he wasn't fiending for it. No, no, no. So you offered it, and he said no. Listen, listen. CJ on 32, he really my bros. Just like any other day. Yo, bros, he. No, no, no, no, no. Look, listen, like, he's never really, he's never crossed that line with me. Like, we've always been cool. Like, it's always been about content. It's always been about money. But he's saying it's not about content. Look, listen here.
28:24He's saying you are afraid of. I don't listen to everything on the internet because y 'all going to take it and y 'all going to run with it. So whatever y 'all think y 'all know, just take it and run with it, okay? Now listen. Now listen. Now, hey, listen. And here's why I'm asking you to clarify. Because how he presenting it, oh, man, I could have it if I wanted to have Man, I don't want her, man. Like, bro, he popping it. You feel me? Like, he is popping it, popping it. So you're saying there's some truth to that. I plead the fifth. All right. Now, okay, Batman Caval, okay? Your response to whether or not you smash Batman Caval is the worst possible response you could ever say.
29:09I plead the fifth to that, too. Where's the proof at? It's crazy. So what's Batman Cavill? No, you told him, where's the proof? You feel me? Yeah. That pretty much means, yeah, nigga, I did it, so what? I don't know. Now, Batman Cavill and CJ were his friends. So was this just to get back at him, to target him, to hurt him? Or did you, like, genuinely see yourself with these people?
29:37Hmm? I plead the king. Damn, bruh. Yo, yo, I'll be real. Yo, Kevill is a cold nigga, man, because he did it with the killer of the cold chick, too, man. You feel me? Yeah, right? Yeah, right. Like five packs of honey beforehand. I said, damn, you tried to kill the little bitch. You know what? Yeah, bro. She's like what? Like 98 pounds, bro? Kevill, like what, 260? And took five packs of honey beforehand just to, like, the murderer, bruh. Diabolical. So Kevill never, you know, like, he never pulled up to the crib with five packs of honey? I don't know. Huh? I don't know. And you kind of small, too.
30:17So I think it was five, man. You feel me? Maybe it was 20. But 20 packs. God. But Super Saiyan, man. That nigga. Hey, bruh. Okay, wait. Okay, so look. Now, we know he got, you know, the male argumentation, right? Where he got, like, the enhancements. did he also get the enhancements on the penis? Because bro, I wouldn't put it past the second, man. He got high surgery. He got bicep surgery. I don't know. Weight surgery. He got a half surgery too, man. I don't know. I just, I don't know. I don't know. I plead the fifth, okay? Is it Tange Agurthy? Huh? I plead the fifth. Here. You got me blushing over here.
31:08Man, Kevon got you blushing the face. You getting personal. right now. You talking about stuff that I ain't even know nobody even knew about. Yeah, man. Hey, listen, man. We know, man. Okay, so the last question, man, and this is like the most serious one, okay? He has maintained his innocence, right? And that's just, you know, that's just so cool. Where you accused him of arresting your oldest daughter. He has said, it's not true. I didn't do it. What's the truth behind that? See, did he did it? the perfect lunch combo that first bite of your favorite sub followed by ice cold pepsi add a couple of friends and now that's next level suddenly the laughs get louder the stories keep flowing and the food tastes better because pepsi brings out more flavor more fun and more of the moment food deserves pepsi grab a pepsi zero sugar today this episode is brought to you by chat gpt Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.
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33:04So again, I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm saying there's really no consequence for women who lie so there's a bunch of women who are just out here living their life after lying. For example, there's a chick who accused a dude who called Sean Oakman. He was projected to be a top five pick in the NFL draft. A week before the draft, she said, yo, he raped me. he never got drafted and four years later he got found not guilty but but like at this time now he's 28 years old his draft prospects is overweight right so she cost him a solid 50 million dollars and she's free so i don't feel feel like that's a good enough excuse i'm free right so and he did say that the da rejected to prosecute why because there was not enough evidence it was it happened My daughter was 10 years old.
34:04Okay. She's 18 now. So not enough evidence doesn't mean you're not guilty. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not in charge of the, you know, the system or anything like that. But, you know, I did my part once my daughter told me what was going on. I did the right thing as a parent, you know? Yeah. Right. Because he don't even like accuse you of lying. And he's accusing like your mom of like making it up for some reason. Right. Right. Why is he coming to like, yeah, right. Because he's saying you're not even the one who told her. So why is he coming to the conclusion that your mom wants him out the picture so bad?
34:39I have no idea. I can't speak for that, man. But I just can just speak on, you know, my of how I experience life. And I just know that it's real. And I would never wish that what I've been going through through to my enemy. You know, it's just it's very hard to deal with. And I didn't know how to deal with this. So it's very hard. We know the system lets you down and you expect them to, you know, fight for you or give you justice. But, you know, I'm just I'm just going through life and just living through it. And, you know, I just got to live how we live with life how it is right now. I just can't go back in time.
35:12I just, you know, pray for my peace, my sanity and my moving forward. Now, he reposted. I think some like some IGDMs now. there's been now like I think the DMs were like Jalea allegedly talking to somebody else but it wasn't verified to be real or not. Yeah they were fake. Fake. And do you think that he created those messages himself or somebody else tried to like you know He was in concoots with his little team that he has so you know. Man. Now is there, well here if he's being accused of this I guess there's not a future where y 'all can ever be, you know, like, right? Right? We're just, you're just the sperm donor of my kids.
36:00That's it. And there's accusations that he touched another kid? I don't know about all that. I've seen, like, I think it was, what Jalea was on, like, was TikTok Live. Like, who's the other kid? Cordaea? Cordaea. Oh, my youngest daughter. Yeah. I don't think that has to do anything with her. It's just somebody that was in the household that was with him. Oh, gotcha. I don't know if it has to do with him. I don't know. It was just something that was brought to me. Yeah. And I'm just being a mother, reporting to what I have to do. Yeah. And everything comes to the internet when I don't want it to come to the internet.
36:36So, I try to handle things behind closed doors, but it's always not that easy. Yeah, right. No. Because listen, man. Because listen, man. Like, as a mom. Yeah. I feel like you did your job. All right. If your kid comes to you, regardless of not, if she's telling the truth or lying, you have a duty to follow up. You feel me? Right. So I guess he's not blaming you for it. Now, would y 'all ever like you and him do like a lie detector test, right? where like, you know, like he gets like hooked up and you know, like if he's able to pass a lie detector test, would you ever forgive him? That's if he passes.
37:19Yeah, like. But I mean, I'll get I'll get locked and loaded. My daughter would get locked and loaded. We will do that. We ain't scared. Well, you don't need to take it though, right? Because you didn't do nothing. But I'm just saying to prove that I ain't lying, I would do it if my daughter said she would do one as well. I mean, we have nothing to hide wait okay so then what's the hold up then between you and him because of course one that's that's amazing content even though it's some very i mean it's real life it's really not yeah yeah of course no but though like y 'all both being in the same room but then it's kind of like who hires like the person to do the test because then you know like you know the person who pays you know like right yeah right so man but but hey listen man i hope that works out but you have a new man now, I heard.
38:05Do I? Which one?
38:10Do you have a new man? I don't know. Do I? You be watching the internet? Come on, let me know. What's up? What they be talking about? Is you and A.D. the King or are y 'all together? I don't know. Bring him on. Let's see. What we doing? Hello, hello, hello. Before I jump in here, where this nigga on the internet right now? Yeah. Let me get a hug. I can tell. I could just see her energy shift. She needed that. She needed that. Yeah. We're getting to know each other. That's it. People act like just because you're seen with somebody, you go from, oh, y 'all dating y 'all are an exclusive relationship.
38:43No, like, I'm getting to know her. I didn't know you beat niggas up. I knew you said it. I didn't know you did that. She's what, 6 '1"? So I'm just learning right now. I'm only 5 '4". Wait, wait. Stand up real quick. I got heels on, though. Yeah, right about to hell? I'm only 5 '4". That's good. Okay, so from listening to this entire interview, are you terrified? She beat niggas up. She got hood niggas behind her. She got some street niggas who would kill some shit. Her baby dad pulled up on CJ So Cool days after she moved out. What in that smoke? CJ So Cool came online and said he came up there to shoot him.
39:24Right? And then years later, after they broke up again, he got shot through a home evasion. I mean, he really don't know what's going on. Like, he's new to this. Are you at least terrified to get into this? He's not an internet nigga. No, not at all. Why not? Because, one, like she said, I'm not an internet nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know the No Jumper podcast, because you got a huge. But, like, bro, I just be at home chilling. Like, I be in my own little bubble. Get money, bitches, all of that, right? Yeah. I mean, women, not bitches. and on top of that bro how largely how a woman treats you is going to be based on how you treat her so all of that no I gotta put you on game I gotta put you on game there are a lot of women with poor character absolutely but what I'm saying we talked about this I'm a lover boy I'm a teddy bear but I'm also not gonna take disrespect you know what I'm saying but at the same time I'm not gonna argue what I look like arguing with a woman I've said this a million times if you arguing with your woman, nigga, stop.
40:25It's over with. Don't do it. So, nah, like, I'm just, I'm not worried about that at all. At all? At all. Hey, listen, man. And I shoot a nigga, too, so I'm not worried about none of that. Black men are black men. Be worried, bro. I'm not. You feel me? I'm not. Right? Wait. So, like, what's your background? Are you somebody who's from, you know, like, from, from, from, from, from, like, my way of life, which is, you know, you know, you know just grew up in like a two-parent household the suburbs oh no yes and no no no no i am not from the streets okay i am a nerd okay i'm a tech professional i'm an engineer and i'm also a really really smooth ass nigga you know i'm saying yeah and so that's why i started coaching people on how to get into tech make a quarter million dollars work from home and things like that once i started doing that i had ample time on my hands and i'm like it i'm and start indulging in hobbies, tennis, pickleball.
41:18And then I realized, shit, I want to indulge in some coochie. Right. And so what happened was over the span of like two years, I had like 20 different women. You know what I'm saying? Like now all of them, was I serious with all of them? No. Did I all of them? No. But like I'm engaging with 20 different women and most men just don't have that many women over their lifetime. You know what I'm saying? So I compressed it into a few years and what I learned was what not to do. Right. I've been cheated on several times. You know what I'm saying? and I'm used to being around beautiful women so like when she sat down and you start hyping her up I'm like man you're doing too much she look look let me tell you what happened she was like look I want to match with you what color you wear I said I'm wearing blue she's like okay daddy I'm gonna match you and so ma 'am this is how we got here you know what I'm saying she finna cheat next man I'm telling you and here's the thing I know game when I see one bro that's game right there man here's the thing and if they do that that's what they want to do you know what I'm saying let her do what she want to do she gonna do what she want to do yeah but a cheat outfit you don't spend a bag on her And that's what niggas' problem is.
42:16They're not making women invest in them. Period. So she's not invested in it? Who she is. Who she is. Be real right now, man. Be real. What have you invested in him? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. A good time? Oh, come on. Listen, listen. Business, networking, I mean. You came here popping it, bro. She, listen, listen, she said, hell nah, not a dom. Well, listen, listen. Are you kind of worried too, brother, that she has found a way to continue to date niggas with money? As she should. What, should she be dating broke niggas? No, but it will feel like you just the next nigga with money. It'll feel like there's like a deep sense of investment in you.
43:10You feel me? I understand that. Here's what I'll say. Most people, tell me if you agree with this. Most people are average and ordinary. Sure, yeah, of course. Okay. Average is poor. Average is bad. Would you agree with that? Yeah, sure. Most women are average, too, because they're people, right? Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay. Most women are losers. Nah, come on. Yeah, no, no. So let me say, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. My definition of - Not a loser. They are losers, absolutely. A loser, in my definition, is someone who lacks accountability. Would you say most women lack accountability?
43:41No. nigga. This nigga pandering like a motherfucker. So you're telling me you know lots of accountable women. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No. I'm being real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know more accountable women than you know unaccountable women. Yeah, listen, bro. Where do you meet these women at? Bro, I mean everywhere, bro. I mean, like school, hair, outside, and walk part. No, no, no, listen. No, bro, bro. Listen, bro. There are bad people from both genders, right? Yeah. But where I think we go wrong is when we automatically assume like the majority fits the worst possible representation.
44:25For example, right? I'm in L.A. There's a lot of women right here who are super hypergamous. Yeah. Super vicious. But they don't represent like the middle age average woman in Iowa or North Dakota. I'm not calling them bad people. I'm only saying they lack accountability They do everything they can To dodge accountability, that's all I'm saying I'm not saying they're bad people Most people That's just their nature That's their nature, like if you want to go into the scientific Reason of it, I can, but You really want to nerd, I'm a nerd, we can nerd out So think about it, let's say it's a hundred Million years ago, and me and you are hunters Right, and she's back at the Cave or whatever, and children Are there too, and we gotta make sure that people eat right?
45:08We got to go out and hunt jaguars or some shit like that, right? Let's say I say hey, your job is to spot it and to lure it and my job is to spear it or whatever, right? We go out. If we don't bring no food back, everybody die. Or at least they're not going to eat that night, right? So if you don't do your job or I don't do my job, if we don't catch them off in jaguar we now have to have a conversation. Right? And say okay, not a blaming conversation, but what went wrong? What do we not account for? Women have never had to do that. Of course they have. When? now no no no I'm talking about now yeah of course but how many bro I saw a woman online this was years ago she tackled a nigga in a hotel lobby because she thought that he stole her phone and then she figured out she lost her phone she did not take accountability so no women do not but that's one though nigga yeah that's one oh are you that big of something no I'm not sipping are you really sipping oh my god no listen we gotta get you some coaching bro absolutely not no right because hey right no right because bro I feel like what happens is is dudes have bad experiences with some women who are pieces of shit and then they project that on most women.
46:15Listen, bro. Most women nowadays, bro, again, they wake up every day and they go out and they work and they have to hold themselves accountable in the real world. No, they don't. Do you think you put women on a pedestal? Yes, they do. They do not. Yes, they do. You're so cute when you're wrong. No, I ain't wrong. Okay. Do you think you put women on a pedestal? No. Are you sure? No, no, no. Listen, I treat men and women equally. Again, not the same, but equally. Meaning this, right? Again, just like... But we're not equal. We're not equal. No. We're not equal, though. Because in a relationship, there must be a leader, correct?
46:55No. No, no, no. So you believe in 50-50 partnership? Yeah. Okay, so let's just say you have a woman, right? Sure. Your last chick, 50-50, right? She want to live in L.A. you want to live in New York for whatever reason. How do you, how do you get down to the bottom of that? Do you argue? No, we, we like, we, you know, you talk. Yeah. And then what? Let's say you can't come to a conference. She still wants what she wants. You want to, how do you, how do you resolve that? Um, and how that again, this is how like, I think like a healthy, right. Is if we talk and we can't come to a balance, that's usually, okay.
47:31We continue this where we are still long distance. or once it stops serving us, we break up. But I don't feel like... Bro, we got to get you some culture. No! I'm telling you, no, no, no. Because if you listen to a woman, she will say, I want a man who's tall, who's dark, who's handsome, who's confident, who's a leader. If you want a nigga that's a leader, it means you have to follow. A leader cannot lead without a follower. That's just what it is. But those are the women who want somebody to direct them. Some don't. So you know women who want to run the relationships and be charged? Yeah, absolutely.
48:07Those are scared bitches. No, they don't. What they're scared of. Yeah. Have you heard my example about the airplane? No, I haven't. Okay, let's talk about the airplane. They don't know who the fuck I am. Okay, so let's just say y 'all are on airplanes together. Sure. Y 'all are a couple, okay? And let's say there's a pilot on an airplane. Ideally, and the plane is nosediving and is going down. Ideally, who would y 'all like to grab the handle to make sure the plane lands safely? The pilot. Okay. If the pilot is incapacitated, who would you like to grab the helm? The co-pilot? No, no, no, no, no.
48:38Now it's just y 'all two. Okay. Oh, oh. Man, of course. So she wants you to lead. No, she's already answered. That's her. Okay. Do you want a beautiful woman like her? Sure. Okay. So a beautiful woman like her wants a man who leads. She literally just said it. Individualistic, though. Wait, no, no, no. If this nigga said, I'm not grabbing that, I'm not grabbing that, I'm not grabbing it, and you have to land that motherfucking plane yourself, are you f***ing with that man after that plane has landed. Yeah. Because if he can't do it, I'm going to do it. No, and then you're going to continue to talk to him and date him and all of that.
49:08Yeah, because if he ain't got it, I got it. No. For a nigga that you like. Yeah. Listen. She lying. I ain't lying. That's just real ass shit. Oh lord. Listen, the person who should grab the handle is the person who got the most experience or who's better at it. It's not about the person. It's a mutual thing. It's not about the person who should. Yeah. Bro. Look here. You ain't always in charge, right? Listen, listen, listen. 50 % of marriages and in divorce. Sure. 80 % of the time is the woman initiating the divorce. Sure, sure. Meaning they leave more often than men do. Yeah, of course. Most marriages are sexless or are very, not most.
49:46They got more options. Who? Who's they got more options? The chick got more options. Most marriages are sexless. Why would a woman tie herself to a man and then stop that man? I don't know, man. The answer is because they don't feel safe. sure sure sure they don't feel safe sure so if a man is in a position where he's refusing to lead and he has a woman she's going to not feel safe then she's going to grab the helm right and then now she's acting like she's leading and she wants to she really don't she really want to with a nigga like me she really wanted to be beyond wait but being safe is beyond yo he's not leading.
50:23Again, yo, some chicks are perfectly fine with yo. I can lead. I'm the leader. However, there are certain things that takes place that she don't feel safe in. What's your body count? Me? Yeah. No judgment, by the way. No judgment. It's undisclosed. You feel me? I'll be the fifth. Cool, cool, cool, cool. What I'm saying is this, bro. I had a homie, I had a mentor who told me, he was like, bro, go to the strip club and be in that bitch for two years. Like, just go, right? And you start to interact with beautiful women. Because that's what I mean. I think strippers and dancers are like the top 5%.
51:00I mean, you only don't find beautiful women in the strip club, though. Yeah, no, no. But it's usually mostly beautiful women. No, not just in the strip club. You can go to a park and find a bad bitch walking and running. What you start to realize, though, is they're all mostly the same. They all want the same niggas. That's why they cheat with the same niggas. They all fuck the same niggas. And that's where he filled you, though. Saying go to the strip club. Listen. To figure out women nature for average women, that's not even like this. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen.
51:30Yeah. Who do you think has more options? A very beautiful woman or a moderately attractive woman? Both. But more options. More options. Oh, yeah. The prettiest woman. Okay. So then you would say that a woman who has a bunch of options is probably going to act in the way that is most natural. Like she ain't got to. She doesn't have to fear losing a nigga because she has so many. Correct. Sure. Right. So she's she's got power. Make sense? Of course. Because she has power. Yeah. She can act. She didn't have to act like she likes a nigga. She doesn't need to. She can really go get a nigga who really likes her and is willing to spend some money.
52:04She can go get a trick. Right. Yeah. Of course. The same way that a man like when he has money status and power that like he is who he is and who that nigga is when he ain't got no money is totally different than who that nigga is when he because at this point I got so many I can lose a few and it don't matter. Right. I'm telling you, if you spend enough time with beautiful women, right, and you don't talk to them, because they all be lying. Not her, though. She be telling the truth. But they all be lying. If you just watch how they behave, bro, there's what they say they want, and then there's what their biology responds to.
52:34I don't give a fuck what they want. It doesn't matter what a woman wants. It's what her body responds to. Period. And they respond well to men who say, hey, look, you are never going to have me to yourself. It's going to be you and a couple others. And if you don't like that, then go somewhere. But if you can fuck with that, then let's do something together. That's not true, though, my brother. Yes, it is. I'm telling you that's exactly what it is. I'm telling you that's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. Listen, brother. Most women will tell you, hey, you know what, bro? I want my man to be with me and meet only.
53:04You're talking about what they want. Which, you're right. I'm talking about what they respond to. You ever heard a woman say, I only date niggas who are six feet? Sure. But then they f***ing the short niggas. Sure, sure, sure. Okay. So they lie. You can't listen to what they say. You have to look at what they respond to. If you tell most women, hey, yo, I'm f***ing this bitch, this bitch, this bitch, this bitch, this bitch, she would have a repulse. You think so? Like, she would feel nasty inside. Is that a theoretical thing? No, no, no. Or have you told a woman, have you experienced yourself telling a woman that and she was repulsed?
53:40Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, right? Look, bro, bro, listen, bro. Most women are not like this. Again, a high-risk woman who's in the strip club who is essentially, like, selling her body and sex for, I guess, survival. She probably lived by different rules than an average woman. The average woman, bro, ain't feeling a man who's f***ing eight, nine, ten bitches and trying to date her. How much money do you think the average woman is making? Where, hair? In America. You know, like$40 ,000-something? Exactly. Yeah, of course. You're right, right? 75 % of women earn less than$50 ,000 a year. The average woman is broke, period.
54:24Sure. If you're broke, that means... But the average man is broke. Okay, would you agree that a broke adult makes bad decisions? Yeah, yeah, sure. Okay, so 75 % of women are making bad decisions. Sure, sure. Okay, so what are we talking about? What does that mean? So you're talking about the average woman is this and the average woman is that. No, the average woman is a loser. and the problem is niggas don't talk to them and tell them that you're a loser you don't have to be being broke don't equate to being a loser you just said if you're broke that means you make bad decisions as an adult so you're telling me I absolutely was I was making terrible decisions and I learned from it now I'm sitting next to your fine ass everybody can't be a loser that's just kind of harsh that's just the truth again right A broke person Is CJ a loser?
55:16No Uh oh She said Hey this nigga look like He said something about me This nigga look like A worm with braids Okay This nigga look like Iman Shepard But he was never drafted Come on bro No no no No no no Listen man A broke A broke person Making bad financial decisions Don't make them a loser They just Bad at finances No a loser again It's only someone Who avoids accountability Have you ever talked To somebody who was That's not what loser means. No, that's my definition. That's what I mean when I say it. That's what I mean when I say it. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just say it so that it stings.
55:51I want it to sting a little bit because I want them to not lose. I want, bro, I'm in the coaching business because I love people. More particularly, I love women, especially black women. You know what I'm saying? But like there's something called soft bigotry. Like if I see a woman who is losing, right? She's just not making good decisions, right? I'll use less harsh language. She's not making good decisions. if I say if I love her and if that's true then I tell her like hey baby you're better than this you can do better than this if I don't give a fuck about her I say keep going with your bad love girl yeah so that's what I'm saying so what you hear is coming from I'm a little bitter I ain't gonna lie but it's coming from a place of love and I'm telling you most people are not doing well bro you're in the top one percent two percent so like so so what I'm saying is I think your viewpoint is skewed.
56:38Why? I think because of probably the women you're dealing with. Like, I imagine are you dealing with broke bitches? Sometimes. There's a mix in there. Of course. Do you, so you kind of like, you kind of just grilled her a little bit. Are you that intense with all the women who you meet? Or is this like a... No, no, no. Okay, so these hoes lying to you, and you just I think you believe it to be real and true. I think that's what it is. No, bro, like... So you think women are honest people? Yes or no? Huh? do you think women are honest people aren't honest though but i'm separating men and women right now i'm saying do you think that most women are honest people it was sense though meaning like like here right look do i feel like most women are honest 100 percent of the time no do i feel like most women are honest most of the time yes no they're not even honest to themselves god damn That's why they lie to you.
57:34She lied to her. But if you listen, if you lie to you all the time, right, then you communicate with me and you lie to me because you lie to you. You're not thinking you're lying to me, but my nigga, you're lying to me because you're not lying to yourself. Listen, a woman's beauty is tied to her survival. Right. Why is Kim Kardashian so popular? Because she's bad enough to just exist and niggas will give her things and show up. Right. Have you ever met an ugly bitch who thought she went ugly? Yeah. She lies herself. No, no. yes or no again sure but like that's when was the last time you met when was the last time you met a woman who was ugly and said yeah bitch I'm ugly I don't judge when was the last time you met an ugly woman and she said bitch I'm ugly never but there's plenty of ugly women out there right but having confidence is not a bad thing I don't judge confidence is different than being honest with yourself those are two totally different things but you can't hate on the next person because they ugly they use softeners they'll be fat and they'll be like I'm fluffy no no no no no you're not fluffy if you say like for example if you look at her and you say yo bro she's ugly as a motherfucker but she looks in that mirror and she genuinely sees a bad bitch how can we tell her she's lying she's delusional here's the thing she can feel how she wants to feel.
59:03That's fine. That's fine. And I have nothing against ugly women. I actually like ugly women. You know why? Because they got to try harder. They have to try harder. A baddie think, I'm bad, I can get somebody else. 2025 is the best time to be an ugly woman, period. Point blank, period. But let's talk about the men, man, because the women are never going to change. It takes men to turn around and start doing better, and the women start treating them better. Okay. Here, man. So, I feel like the one question that like they're all gonna have right now yeah is who hurt this dude man oh yeah absolutely absolutely why why is he so hard on bitches man because i love them because i do i do you want to see them do better right i do i do and this is also why i talk so much shit about derrick jackson because that's a bitch ass nigga you know what i'm saying because think about it bro hold on now bro derrick jackson is six foot six i don't give a 270 bro i don't care are you I'm ready for that smoke when you see it.
59:59Nigga, this is my life's work, okay? Okay. So, listen, bro. Like, he does what he does and he's profitable. I get it. But, like, I have a daughter. Sure. I have a wife. I have two sons. I have a daughter, right? She's going to grow up one day. And she's going to want a man, right? Sure. And if a man is sitting online saying, hey, queen, you're not the problem. You're perfect. You've never done anything wrong. It's all those 20 minutes you've been f***ed over the last 35 years. It's all been their problem. Sure. And, you know, it's them. And it's like, nah, nigga, you are telling these bitches not to take accountability.
1:00:29And if I take accountability away from you, you can't improve. Yeah, true. But OK, right. Right. Hey, sure. But then somebody will say, yo, Derek Jackson, he panners to women. Yeah. And these Mildayton coaches, they pander to niggas. Yes. And they're doing it wrong, too. So. OK. So how do you try not to pander to men? I tell the truth and what I what I do is I tell people bro we need to be more understanding of one another we need to be understanding of one another for example if you're in a ride if you've been in a car with a guy right and you're like hey do you need to pee you don't care if he got to pee you want that nigga to stop because you got to pee and understanding women is understanding that that they're not direct creatures they're indirect you see what I'm saying and so like again spending so much time in a strip club bro I had one chick talk to me and she was like bro and she was she was making money she rarely did any lap dances i was like how are you making so much money she was like it's a relationship because that nigga has a wife at home who ain't took care of her body in 15 years and she and she don't look shit like what they look like when they got married and so now this nigga can't even get hard with her and so that's why you come here and talk to me sure because this woman at home takes that man for granted you see what so i understand that men are in relationships and they're bro they're losing their hurt you know i'm saying but they also don't want to leave half they lose half they shit well so are women too though i understand that yeah but a woman a woman's problem is different though a woman's problem is a woman's problem like her problem and why i don't know your past i don't care what you do with who you do it with i just like i with you sure it's that when she makes so much money now every man who makes less than that is unattractive to her she basically she basically took this on as a charity case okay this was sleeping on the floor that's not true Yes it is bro You just said there's many women out here Cassie got with a broke And now he up 30 hims Cassie who should get with With the trainer With the allergy Do you think she likes and respects Most
1:02:37Most women are in relationships Where they're settling for the man that they're with And that's why they treat them the way they do I don't think Cassie was settling Listen But listen, like at that time, she was the most sought after woman in the world. Cassie could have gotten with any celebrity she wanted to get in with. And she chose the broke who wasn't. How do you how do you think she benefits from that? How do you think she benefits from that? Why do you think she chose him? And he loved her. He appreciated her. He again, this is a women stay with men who love and appreciate things. So then don't don't husbands love and appreciate wives.
1:03:13Some some of them do. But 80 % of the time women leave. Yeah. So it sounds like that logic ain't logic. No, no, no, no, no, no, bro. It sounds like, again, marriages are very complicated. And sometimes things happen where people can't get over and they leave. And there are times where women are really hypergamous and their eyes is wandering and they see a guy who's better than her man and she leaves. But that's very few. Listen, man. It's very few where a man is perfect. He does everything. Provide, protects, does it all well. And she still leaves for no reason. Those are very few circumstances, bro.
1:03:56Most of the time, I'm telling you, bro, it's just people just growing apart. Bro, you have so much simp shit in your brain. And I don't mean it's disrespect. No, no, no. Of course, of course. Because you're a nerdy. Bro, of all the podcasts I've done so far, this is the most exciting one. Because I'm sitting across from another nerdy nigger. Like, we're about to chop it up. You know what I'm saying? I'm telling you that there's so much stuff that has been ingrained in our culture that has men thinking the way that you think. Okay. And I'm telling you, like, everything I say, you dispute it. You're like, nah, I don't think so.
1:04:25I don't think so. I'm telling you my lived experience. How in the f*** could I have a bad bitch at home, knowing I'm doing what it is that I'm doing, is not worried about leaving me, is not trying to divorce me, don't try to keep me from my kids, It's texting me, baby, I miss you when you're coming back home. This is lived experience. So you're going off of what they say. And I don't know what kind of women you're dealing with. I don't know. I'm telling you this is based off of experience, right? And men want options. Men want whether they want love. So, bro, what I do is I specifically coach, right, six and seven figure earners, right, who are they want a relationship, right?
1:05:01They want a family. They want kids. but they have a hard time understanding like is she here for me or is she here for my money because a woman will be with you for a long not all women there's some women right obviously who will be with you for a long time they don't really like you like that they're settling for you that's why they don't cook for you that's why they don't suck you that's why they don't bring you other bitches because they don't like you like that but a woman will go and call her best friend like bitch chris brown in town get your ticket i need to see him and we need to take pictures with him and bringing him money.
1:05:32And so that's what I'm saying. She has to see you like a super, or this is my standard. She has to see me like a superstar or she can't be with me. Period. Period. And every man could have that, but they have all this beta bullshit that has been programmed into them that is keeping them unsuccessful in that. No, bro. Listen, bro. If those men just find women who like them, then they can get whatever they want to get out of it. For sure. Or find a woman who's like-minded. For example, you found a beautiful woman who is okay with, hey, bro, you can fuck who you want to fuck. I'm great. I'm home.
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1:07:41I'm not saying girlfriends. And how much stress that comes with you. I'm not saying girlfriends. We can even throw loose sex in there. I'm not talking about the— Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean women in any capacity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's make it simpler. Yeah. let's say you lined all 300 million men in America up, right? And you said, Hey, we got options. You can have one bitch. I'm sorry. You can have zero women for the rest of your life. You can have one woman for the rest of your life, or you can have multiple. What do you think most men are going to choose? Multiple, of course. Okay. So do you know 30 % of men under the age of 30 have not had sex in the last 12 months?
1:08:12Sure. Sure. Sure. So there's a lot of dry out here. Yeah. You know what that turns into school shooters? No, sure. Okay. If a nigga had the option to shoot a school up or get some, What do you think he would do? Go get some. Exactly. So these niggas shooting up schools are not. So that's what I'm saying, bro. You're winning. And what you don't. And you got a lot of sim shit. And what you don't understand is most are not. They're there. They are. They are struggling, bro. Like they are lonely. They are afraid. And or they're with a woman who treats them like shit because it's like, damn, at least that's better than being alone because they don't like themselves.
1:08:43So you said what you said earlier. I agree with you said they got to find a woman who likes them. But my nigga, when you don't like you, how can she like you? if you don't respect yourself how can she respect you the facts of course so that's what that's what i'm saying that's why it starts with men i wasn't always talking and like this and having these results but it's like i went through a process of growing and maturing in therapy and all this other kind of shit right and read all these books and doing all this other shit and so that's how i came to this conclusion yeah look i definitely agree with you that it starts with the man self-improvement for sure, for sure.
1:09:19But I don't want it to be like, yo, listen, yo, like, if you self-improve, then you can find any girl and convince her to let you see... We don't do convincing. We don't do convincing. We don't do that. We don't do that. Okay, perfect. Because, like, think about it, bro. A chick who you got to convince to fuck you and a chick that's beating down your daughter to fuck you, which one do you think is going to do a better job? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I may like convince her to allow you to be with with other women. We don't do that either. This is my body. This is my I do what I want to do with it.
1:09:51You are not my my mother. That's my woman. Yeah. Right. So like that's what I'm saying. Like I hear people use words like, oh, she allows or she lets me. No, it's none of that. Like, but here's what I understand. How you start is how you finish. So if you start by asking for permission, you're going to end up in the whole relationship asking for permission. So we don't do that. Wait. I teach my clients not to do that. Wait. So you teach them to get with a woman. And just start doing you. And if she finds out, she finds out. No, no, no. It's levels to the level of information you give. You don't have to tell her anything because that ain't got nothing to do with her.
1:10:32But she is. But in my definition, no, no, no. My definite cheating is I'm lying. As long as I'm not lying to you, I'm not cheating. So if I tell you. You're in a relationship. and just because you know me don't mean we in a relationship no wait no if that is your girlfriend meaning you guys have set a boundary of we are officially boyfriend and girlfriend and that comes with a perceived monogamy is for suckers yeah but the perceived contract of that relationship is we are monogamous she's under the perception of he's he's only with me and and if that's what If that's what he wants, cool. But if you want, you just said most men would choose multiple, right?
1:11:11Sure. So if you want multiple, but then you got her, you convinced her, you have her thinking that it's only her. Well, now you're lying. Now you're being a sucker. So don't lie. Wait, though. If that's my point of you have to have the conversation, meaning, right? Don't say, hey, babe, be my girlfriend. And then you never let her know that you fucking with other people because she never asked. I got you. Here's what I recommend. I tell my clients, never ask a woman to be your girlfriend. Don't do that. What? Don't do that. So how do you plan on being married one day and having a girlfriend if you never ask her?
1:11:49Marriage is not a flex. No, sure. But are you pushing them to have girlfriends and have wives? I'm pushing them to do what they want to do. No, wait. No, sure. Yeah. So if they want girlfriends and wives, are you saying never ask her to be your girlfriend? Yes. So I'm saying, let me ask you, right? As a nigga out here getting money, have you ever been with a woman who maybe you liked her a little bit? Maybe you liked her a lot, whatever. And she asked you that annoying ass question. What are we? And you can tell she wants to be more serious with you. Have you ever had that experience? Sure, sure, sure.
1:12:23That's what happens. And you say, all right, cool. You with me now. But you didn't ask her, correct? She asked you. Yeah, sure. Okay, cool. So once she asked, though. You tell her what your rules are Most niggas ain't got rules and requirements That's what I'm saying I'm blowing your mind bro They don't have rules and requirements No no no no no no No bro you just said don't tell her nothing right No that's not what I said I said you don't have to Like just because I'm talking to her or any other woman That does not mean I'm going to make you a girlfriend It does not mean we're ever going to be that serious All of that is earned So if it makes sense for us to have a conversation about it Then we will or I could just decide up front and tell you, hey, you're never going to have me to yourself.
1:13:07So I can choose to have that conversation or I can choose to say, man, this bitch ain't going to be around in too much, so it don't matter. No, I feel like the talking stage is not really like a monogamous stage until y 'all have the conversation. But once she asks you, be my boyfriend, and you say yes, then you owe it to that woman to then have the conversation of, hey, I'm going to be doing this as well because if you agree to be her boyfriend and then you just fucking bitches on the side and she has no idea, that's wrong. And that's very dishonest. I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
1:13:42But here's the thing, bro. Have you ever with a woman who changed your life more than you changed hers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Really? Tell me about this woman. Man, so look, man. So this was my second year of college, right? She was, I think this was her fourth year. She was about to be like a farm D. So, so she was, so farm D is six years, right? So cool. So bro, like again, when I, bro, I was unserious. I was undisciplined. Um, I really have like no hope for like my future, bro. She really like set my head on straight meaning, bro. Like when I, bro, bro, like she taught me on how to be disciplined, on how to be focused, on how to, yo.
1:14:27Where is she at now? um once i got on i kind of moved to la she stayed working her pharmacy job you know so it sounds like you appreciate this woman for how much growth you had during the season of course if she was all that great wouldn't she still be here i'll be real man um i wish i could listen i wish i could have made it work you feel me i wish if she wanted it to work it would have worked though right yeah yeah okay yeah so that's what i'm telling you bro women are the choosers it don't make sense for you to it don't matter who i like it matters who likes me sure because you're gonna do a bunch of shit and accept a bunch of shit for a woman that you like but the woman that likes you is gonna make your life easy so that's what i'm saying it sounds like you are in a position i've been there too right where you like her more than she likes you and that's what happens oh yeah right and i think also most men are so aloof bro we're not used to women liking us we don't even And we it is so far in between for a man to get a woman who really is attracted to them that when it does happen and they just like he just don't even notice it.
1:15:32For example, true story. I had a girl. This was me. My wife had taken a break or whatever. Right. Before we got married, because we have three kids. So we had a we had a child in 2011 and we've been together some time now. And in between our little break, there was this other shit. Right. And she would kind of same thing for you that she did. She did for me. I was running this network marketing business and she was like, bro, you're capable of so much more. and she came and she joined and she was helping me make shit happen. I was like, shit, my life is going up now. And she started like cooking food and bringing it to my job.
1:15:59And I'm like, damn, this is a good friend. And one day she sat me down like, nigga, I ain't trying to be your friend. I want more. Right. And then I let her convince me into getting into a relationship with her. And it ended terribly. And I look back at it like, where did I go wrong? Nigga, I didn't want to say yes. I should have said no. Well, you were married. No, I wasn't married. I wasn't married. Yeah, I wasn't married. We were just on, we were just baby mama, baby daddy. You know what I'm saying? and to speak to something you said earlier this is just my opinion i can't prove it i think all baby mamas and baby daddies have like like a bond okay there's just a there's just it's just there you know i'm saying negative well i'm not saying it's a positive bond but i'm saying that if something happens to that other parent yeah your child is going to be impacted by that sure period so for that reason you don't want them under a bridge you don't you may not with them but you don't want them to die you know i'm saying so like there's always that there you know i'm saying so if I had a woman who had another baby, I'm like, I would expect that there's going to be some kind of communication or something.
1:16:55Of course. Look, is this a man that you want to marry? She don't want to get married. She ain't trying to get married. No. I'm not going to speak for her. He's married already. Why would I want to marry a married man? Based on what you just heard. Okay. Okay. So based on the heart, I don't want to say bitch, but the heart on bitch nature, the heart on bitches nature, is this a man that you would would take seriously or marry can I be honest yeah she gonna say no but here's the thing hell I'm gonna beat the dog shit out of this man wait wait wait wait why listen listen no no no why because I mean his his perception on how he wants to control a woman is kind of so the meth is not working right because she says she won't take you seriously but listen though You got to understand her situation.
1:17:48No, I don't know. Honestly, he's a good guy. Of course. He's definitely a good guy. And he has his own way on how he wants to live life. And I agree with how he wants to live his life. Everybody lives their life a different way. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, I respect on what he does. But that's just him. But she'd be cheesing the whole time with a guy. Look at that. She's about to smile now. Because you goofy. Look at that. Yeah. But listen, listen. You got to understand her perception. And a lot of women are here. if you're with a guy who you helped build, right? And then he was dogging you out or whatever.
1:18:19And you probably at some point didn't have the belief that you could make shit happen on your own. You're out here making shit happen on your own now. Right? So why in the hell would you ever go back under another nigger's control? I mean, you wouldn't, she definitely wouldn't. That's so it don't matter that I'm sitting here. She would have said that to any. Bullshit. Man, cut it off. Cut it off. What nigga do you want to let control you? Any nigga that's going to lead. we're going back to leadership. We're going right back to what we started doing. But you ain't doing it. But she's sitting here, though.
1:18:53Wait, though. She's smiling, though. She called me to match. We're matching colors, though. Wait, though. But based on your answers, she just said, that's not the type of dude that I would allow to lead me. But listen, listen. I mean, he's kind of harsh. You know, I got to, you know, grow into his ways. He's hard on thoughts, man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, I'm not. Listen, listen, listen. Here's the, here's the, listen. I love these hoes. When I say hoes, I mean, I love sexy. Yeah. You're not ever going to see me slut shame a woman. That's what's wrong with these red pill niggas. They be like, oh, she a three or four.
1:19:27Let her. You just mad because she's not fucking you. You know what I'm saying? No, we need hoes. Imagine if all women were prim and proper and dressed up and you had to provide her a car and life insurance in a home to see some skin. That would be a terrible world to live. I love these hoes. So no, it's not that, bro. It's not that. So, here, right, so I guess the people right now, right, like, who's watching And the hoes love me No, right? Is they might be confused Yeah And ask, yo, what's the difference between your philosophy and red pill? Right, because they right now, because they probably don't have enough experience in listening to, like, you know, to, like, you know, to y 'all Is they might just assume that you're automatically red pill Yeah, yeah, yeah So the difference is this, bro Red pill, you know what a feminist is, right?
1:20:10Sure, sure, sure To me, a red pill nigga is the equal opposite, but it's a man. Right. And there's so much hatred and bitterness there. And there's a million reasons to hate these bitches to be bitter. I'm a little bitter, but I love them. And I understand that we need each other. Why are you bitter? Mother issues, being cheated on. I don't like liars. And once I learned that women lie by nature, I was like, I don't like none of these bitches. But at the same time, yes, it is. I mean, if you hate liars, are you a liar? I hate myself when I lie. So I don't like to lie. Okay. Here, listen, man. If a girl cheated...
1:20:43Listen, listen, listen. Why do you now assume that all women share... No, it's not that, bro. I'm talking... Everything I'm saying is biological. So you're a man. I'm a man. We manipulate the world through strength and muscle and might. Sure. Right? We build bridges and roads and homes. And yeah, some bitches help them build homes, but it's mostly men. Okay? We fight wars. Women do not have the physical strength to manipulate the world the way we do. They manipulate the world socially. This is what they do. So Real Housewives of Atlanta and all that, do you watch that? Nah. I don't watch that shit either.
1:21:14So you would agree that the audience mostly watches that as women, right? Why do you think women watch that shit? Because they want to be housewives. Yeah. They are not learning how to be no motherfucking housewife on that show. I've had a woman tell me, I've asked her. I was like, why do you watch that? She was like, it's for sport. She was like, I saw bitch A dog out bitch B and then turn around and have bitch B apologize to me. And she was like, I'm trying to learn how to do that. This is what they do. They manipulate the world through social interactions and words. Lying is just part of it.
1:21:46It's just one thing. I think women watch that just like men watch rap videos, right? Again, we're trying to see the land most that we don't got. You're going off of what you think. I'm going off of biology and data. That's what I'm telling you. What's the data then, right, that shows that? That women manipulate the world. No, lie by nature. So lying is a manipulation tactic, correct? Well, you can manipulate without lying, though. That's one manipulation tactic, correct? What? Lying is one way to manipulate someone. Sure, sure, sure. Okay. You agree with me when I said men manipulate the world through strength and might and power?
1:22:23A woman can do that, too. She can. I'm talking about physical strength. Physical. A woman can do that, too. These bitches ain't got no muscle. So who builds roads and bridges and buildings? Yeah, men. Okay, so that is what men do. If women were better at that, they were best suited for that, then women would be doing that, correct? Sure, sure, sure. So because women are not doing that, there must be something that women are better at than men. Right. And I'm telling you, it is socializing. They are the more social group. Sure, sure. So that's what I'm saying. Sure. Lying is, I'm not saying they're bad people because they lie.
1:22:56I'm saying, no, I'm saying I have insecurities. Yeah. I have traumas and triggers. Yeah. I do not like people who lie. I f*** with big folks because the nigga is who he is He gonna tell you, you can see who he is And I don't make an enemy out of women Why? Because you'll never see a woman coming No, but, okay But the question is then Okay, so If they rule the world Manipulate the world They don't run the world Yeah, right Okay, but what does that have to do with them? For example, they can still socialize without lying They can again chicks are just more more caring more nurturing they have a higher emotional IQ they're just able to understand more so you can still have those other things without being a liar again like lying is not mandated in those other things is lying a social tactic that you use to manipulate somebody or manipulate a situation it can be used What I'm saying is that that's what they specialize in.
1:24:02Not all men. No, they do. But OK, y 'all. Yeah. Look. Prison. Right. Prison has dangerous people in it. Right. Yeah. OK. So the top one percent of course of people are it's not everybody's not in prison. It's the top one percent. Most dangerous people are in prison. You understand that. OK. So I'm saying when it comes to physical aggression and beating shit up and doing stuff like that, the top 1 % is men. Right. Are there women who beat up people? Of course there are. Right. But she's not in the top 1%. So I'm saying when it comes to manipulation of situations socially, the top 1 % of that is women.
1:24:43They're the best. 1 % of like the frosters and you feel me and like the white collar crimes and you feel me and the MLM schemes those are men being locked up for those things right so again if women were the liars and the frosters then they will be in jail I'm not saying they're the liars and the frosters I'm not saying because men and women lie what I'm saying is it's a two way street I'm saying just like men are the most the strongest physically people on this earth women are the most socially manipulative I'm not saying that men do not fall in there by that definition though of the 1 % of the people in prison right men are in prison more than women for fraud crimes so I'm saying the men who are manipulated they sound like the liars schemers and the liars they're being convicted more than chicks there's just not a lot of masculinity here, bro.
1:25:41Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. What is the male equivalent to the real Housewives of Atlanta? A show where there's men just talking shit about each other. Man. Man. Oh, no, I know. What is it? These YouTube live niggas, man. Boy, these niggas. Streamers? Well, you can call it that, but there's like a niche, right? Right? So YouTube have different niches. Yeah. And majority of the time it's the niggas who are in these niches who are on YouTube live for five hours a day gossiping, dissing, and hating other niggas. Trust me, I know. Is it a group of them though? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're dissing each other in the same space.
1:26:30No, no, no. Like I'm four guys sitting together. We're all talking behind each other's back together. Oh yeah! Oh, you're not tapped in. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Trust me, brother. I know there's at least seven niggas who hop on live stream every night to gossip about me. So, yeah. That's different. That's different. I'm talking about the real housewives or whatever. They're all in one house. I assume, or they're all together on this show. Working together, making money together, talking shit about each other. Yeah, man. No, no. You're talking about jumper. You're talking about seven individual niggas in different parts of the world talking shit about.
1:27:12How about no jumper? We for the last two or three years been nothing but eternal conflict. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And this shit is entertaining. And guess what? And it's niggas doing it though. Yeah, yeah. This is entertainment. This is entertainment, right? Yeah. Would you do this shit if you weren't getting paid for it? I'll be real. I was doing this shit in 2020 for the free scheme, bro. Meaning, bro, like, I was known as a Dr. Umar Johnson defender, and I was making videos about people who was calling Umar scammers, and they was making videos about me. I think he is a scammer. I think he is a scammer.
1:27:51He ain't built that school yet. Now I can't argue with you, right? But 2020... But he's an elegant speaker. Boy, that nigga know how to make some bullshit sound good, don't he? Come on. Boy, he know how to speak. He's hard to speak.
1:28:04but she has a flight suit man so bro yeah um so one what do you offer in terms of if a man is watching this and he says man i make a hundred care year yeah but i just can't get get my dream bitch man uh well again so i have i'm gonna go back to your question you said what makes me different from red pill i'm a lot like them like i'm not saying red pill is bad but i'm I'm saying that there's a bitterness there. I believe that men and women need each other. I believe that I cannot become the best version of myself without learning how to lead a woman. And a woman cannot become the best version of herself without learning how to be led by a man.
1:28:44Period. Right. So I think we need each other. So I've got courses. I'm sorry. Niggas don't like that word. I've got programs. Okay. For men. Right. Specifically higher earning men. But it works for everybody. Right. Where it's like you set up a system. Right. Where you attract women and then you choose the ones who are there for you because they've invested in you. I don't worry about gold diggers. Why? Because I can tell which one is a gold digger and which one is here for me. And I've also got programs for women where it's like, hey, you're tired of being a jump off. You're tired of being a nigger.
1:29:16Because they want love, bro. They want to be good. They definitely want to be loved. They want to be loved. They want to be taken. And I want them to get that. You know what I'm saying? And men are very simple. So I've got I've got courses for women as well, where it's like, hey, if you really want to secure a commitment from the man that you want to happen, I got you. I got you because I think we need each other. So I'm trying to I'm trying to bring men and women back together. Yeah. Now, you are really fit, man. Now, Kevo worked out a lot, but he you know, but but he was able to sculpt his perfect body.
1:29:45You got kind of like the V shape as well. So it's your natural, though. I'm nowhere near as fit as Kevo. But yeah, no, I'm natural. I've never. I ain't never I ain't but if they hit me by the BBL what's his name shit I might have to fuck with him I might have to fuck with him no folks I'll be real bro bro hey bro listen bro Kevill been gatekeeping dumb doctors bro right because bro Kevill bro his shit is perfect bro nigga got it bro no bro braw shoulders pecs is crazy biceps is crazy bro he's like an action figure yeah I agree I agree no right And with him, though, it came with a lot of hard work first, though, with life.
1:30:28For sure. Working out every day. That's self-love. That's a nigga who loves himself. That's self-love. That's what that is. That's what it is. Hey, listen, though. But, bro, I'm so honored that you came. Thank you for having me. That nigga put the sink cap right back on. Listen, though. Listen, please, yo. Don't let these niggas play with you. You are one of the most beautiful women I think I've ever met in person. Appreciate that. Don't let CJ R32, CJ So Cool, Bandman Kevo, the rest of the niggas, him. You're saying don't let none of them niggas save yourself from me, baby. That's basically what you're saying.
1:31:08Say it. Say it like that. Just say it. Nah. Say it. Nah. I have, you know, I'm committed, right? No, but please, man, listen, man. You are a star, man. I can't wait to see what you do next, man. But don't let these niggas play with you, man. You feel me? And you, man, be... Hey, hey, listen, man. Need I go, please? You gotta treat... Listen, man. You gotta treat her well, man. I don't have to do nothing but stay black and die. And that's the difference. That's it. Listen, man. That's it. And all I gotta do is sit pretty. That's it. And she gonna do what she wanna do. And if she wanna fuck with you, she gonna have to get on your program.
1:31:43Most niggas ain't even got programs. That's why you gotta get my program. Amy the King maker come on and where can I get the program make me king dot net you can find everything there make me king dot net or you can find me on Instagram at kings corner podcast kings corner podcast yes sir man man hey man folks man this has been a great one damn it's almost like two hours man listen man this has been this has been amazing man please listen come back and host like the news sometimes right right we do like the news live streams on Monday Wednesday Friday where you We just talk about just random topics and shit, feel me?
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