Savv4x on Toronto Hood Politics, Drake vs Kendrick, Canada Joining the USA & More

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1:15Yeah, damn. Yeah, I'm excited It's pretty much an honor because I feel like you're definitely going places. You got some really good music You should definitely so yeah, let's take it right from the beginning before we get into everything you got going on these days um you're from malvern which is like a subsection of toronto yeah scarborough okay um yeah what was it like what kind of environment is this well any other environment i guess not crazy but i still got your shit you know okay so were you seeing some wild stuff take place from an early age or was it pretty tame oh yeah i guess you could say that but it was pretty normal for the most part okay because a lot of people like even in uh la you know we we kind of talk about toronto like it's just one of these really crazy cities where there's just we're always hearing wild tales coming out there kind of like chicago or philly or whatever toronto's definitely one of all cities but it's more like really really you surround yourself with there's good and bad people everywhere you know definitely but do you feel like you were surrounded by a lot of negative influences from a young age or was it kind of like your choice uh i guess yeah i don't know because like you see how you said your choice it's more like something like that okay you're not really forced to like do much but like circumstances you know kind of force you to do certain things yeah i've seen a lot of people i wouldn't say force you do certain things they force you into a certain direction is more what i would say i mean i've seen every version of this i feel like on the podcast over the years from like dudes who are totally normal kids and then they had something bad happen to somebody that they love and they just became Completely different person in a very short period of time Like losing people early Just going through the same regular shit Everybody like other people go through you know Definitely what kind of kid would you say that you were Me Well I'll say for the most part I was a good kid I was Yeah A good kid But like

3:40Fucking Yes, sir. Okay. What kind of kid would you say that you were growing up at a young age? For the most part, I was a good kid. But, like, you know, circumstances change, certainly, like, you know. Uh-huh. Yeah. Did you have your mom and your dad in your life? Yeah, I don't know. Because, like, my pops was around, but not as much as he should have been, you know? Okay. It was mostly mom. Okay. And you have brothers and sisters? Yeah. I have, I got two older brothers. I have one on my dad's side and one on my mom. Okay. And did you feel like they were a big factor in your upbringing? Oh, sure.

4:25Because my older brother, my older brother is like, he was my pops at a point. Like, he taught me everything I know, you know? And then, like, when I was, like, 15, 16, he passed away. So that super affected my life. Okay. Like that's when everything kind of changed, you know? Script completely flipped. Really? Okay. So, yeah, I mean, would you say that you were like pretty much a totally straight-laced normal kid up to that point? It depends on what you call normal. Because you see, like, if you go around like, I don't know if you know Canada like that. Like if you fucking put me with like a fucking some kid from Barry or some shit, they wouldn't look at the shit that I look at as normal.

5:08is normal you know so i kind of like like i don't want to say like i had the craziest upbringing because my childhood is normal for the most part you know but there was definitely some shit that you would look at like well do you have one memory in particular aside from your brother losing his life which is when you were like 15 so you're kind of older but do you have a memory when you're younger where that stands out to you as you kind of having this realization of like oh this isn't just a regular place. There's crazy shit that happens here.

5:41A little dumb shit like... Fuck, that's a good example.

5:53There's so much shit I can say but I'm trying to like think like... You have like a lot of different filters in your brain. Yeah, like I don't want to say nothing too crazy. Right. Fucking... I guess I could say like how Like the other kids were around me Like certain shit was normal to us We were like fucking 10, 11 smoking weed Fucking 13 stealing cars and shit Dump shit like that Really and was it like older dudes putting you on To how to do something like steal a car No not really cause you see like I see like a lot of these fucking like American hudges Niggas have like big homies and shit Like that it's not like that in Canada It's a bunch of fucking little niggas running wild Really It's no structure at all.

6:36That's why it turns out the way it does, you know? So you feel like dudes, by the time they're 30 or whatever, they're not really involved with any of the street stuff in the same way usually? No, there is for sure, but, like, niggas don't do enough to earn that title, like, big homie. Like, you're just one of the older guys, I guess. Definitely when we talk to, like, younger dudes from Chicago or some shit, that's, like, one thing that they find super weird about L.A., that there's like 50 year old dudes that are still like kind of consumed by gang shit street shit that that's just like a huge part of their personality still like they expect dudes to kind of let that go by the time they get to a certain age yeah i don't know it's like fuck if you make it away you make it away if you don't then you gotta do it you gotta do it right so okay up till that point though you would say that you were like kind of a regular kid like what was your relationship like with your older brothers though were they like trying to keep you out of trouble or were they kind of getting you into trouble okay so like you see like how i said my one older bro is from my dad's side so like him i barely got to see him probably like once a month my older brother was always there but him we were super close from i was super young and i was my dog like even though there was like a fucking a big ass age gap like there wasn't really like a division between us, you know?

8:01Like, we've always kind of been super tight. Definitely. And so when he lost his life, how much can you say about what that situation was? Oh.

8:16Like, to me? I mean, how it went down or what it was like for you finding out and processing it?

8:28That situation was crazy. I'm not going to lie. Like how I went on. Like to me. I don't even. Really know to a full extent. I know my mom found him in his house. So it's kind of like. Mom. Like went down some regular shit.

8:51Fucking. Like I kind of like had like a weird feeling. Because nobody was answering their phone. After a while. And then my fucking cousin messaged me and they're like, yo, Stronger, you're bro. Didn't say nothing else after that. So I was like, what the fuck? They're calling my pupils. They're not answering. So I got a call like an hour later. My older sister told me this guy passed away. Wasn't even telling me much about the situation. Just told me like, yeah, I was like, what the fuck? It didn't even make sense to me. Damn. It was weird. I'm not going to lie. What did you end up Finding out about How the situation Played out My bro died in his sleep In his sleep Uh How I didn't even like Really want to know All the details To be honest with you I just left it at that I mean typically Usually when we find out Somebody died in their sleep Is it drug related No No No It's not drug related It was Violence related or No You just, I mean, I just can't really think of a reason besides like, fuck.

10:01He had other health conditions? Yeah, more like health problems. Damn, okay. And you were only 15. How many years older were you? Or was he? My brother died when he was like 30. I was 16 at the time. He was like 14 years older than me. Damn. Looking back on it, how did you process that? Or how did you, like, what did it do to you psychologically? I didn't even process it, bro. I was fucking going crazy. Once. Oh, that stupid shit, I'm not going to lie. And that's really when I started, like, even turning more towards the streets, too. Like, like I said, I was a good kid for the most part. I lost a couple people, but, like, it wasn't, like, nothing really affected me like how my bro affected me.

10:50You know what I mean? Like, that completely. change how I think, how I feel and shit. Like, oh, everything changed. I mean, you were so young. Did it basically just make you feel like life wasn't certain or that the world was just, like, unspeakably cruel and that horrible things could just happen with no warning? Yeah. It kind of made me realize, like, nothing's here forever, too, so I don't really take nothing for granted, you know? For sure. Did it drive you more into the streets or did it push you into the music stuff? Okay, so that's the thing. I was kind of doing music when my bro was still alive.

11:32And he heard some shit. My bro super wanted me to rap. But at the time I was on the whole stress, he kept saying like, yo, you get off. We're going to fucking do your first video and shit or whatever. He ended up passing away before that. But fun, you know, as it worked out, like I ended up doing my first video after I got off of house arrest and shit and here we are now you got on house arrest when you were 17 or holy that story is so long bro oh yeah because the first ever time i was on house arrest i think i was like 14 oh okay and i was 14 to fucking 15 i got off and i'm getting arrested again and i was on house arrest that whole process or that whole fucking time frame from like 15 to 16 right up until my bro died I was on house arrest again See now after that time I don't know if you know But like fucking in Canada For the most part like if you're on house arrest They won't give you an ankle monitor They'll just come and check off at your house Random times and shit like that So fucking Yeah I was super breaching Outside all the time Basically I was never home So like you know And I'm getting caught up for that shit Oh okay what did you do to get on house arrest when you were 14 though

12:51Fuck Long story short Like some petty robberies Like some little kid shit Okay And you didn't end up having to do any serious jail time They just did this house arrest thing with you Okay so they had me in jail for like Fucking Like a month or two And then They let me off on house arrest So I ended up doing like the rest of my time on house arrest when it came to sentencing, they just said, yeah, like, time served. And you kept making it worse by leaving your house, obviously, and just doing whatever you felt like doing? Bro, I fucking, the last time I got arrested, these guys ended up kicking my door.

13:30I didn't know, while I was still on house arrest, I was under investigation for six months. Oh, really? Yeah. What were they investigating for? Like I said, like, right after my brother, I was doing dumb shit. So, like, fucking robberies. there was fucking little shit i was doing on camera that came back to bite me in my ass like it was just like dumb shit oh shit okay um so okay that was was there any other like big charges like when you were in that kind of high school age and are you still going to high school during this time period yeah i know i i got kicked out a lot of schools i went to so like at the time like the last six months like I said they're investigating me I wasn't in school at all and I was supposed to do it I was part of the house arrest too like I was either fucking get a job or go to school so they gave me a breach in like so many different ways and you just were too wild too out of control you just couldn't fall in line something like that would your mom think I mean losing her son and then also seeing you just kind of acting out in response no mom didn't think that good I'm not gonna lie yeah it's gotta be insane me and mom were fucking like we weren't even talking at one point it was bad I'm not gonna lie but I could understand why you know unnecessary stress no yeah totally so you started making music around that time period like when you were still in high school though yeah house stress is what started the music thing oh okay did you have any influences at that time though that showed you that you could do it musically or gave you any kind of model for that?

15:16Nah. I did my bro. Like I said, my bro heard little shit. Maybe I won two bars, but I didn't even have a full song with my bro. So I left. He wanted me to rap though. He was super on it. We got to bring this kid to the studio. So after he died, I kind of took it more serious. I wasn't even going to the studio. I was fucking sitting recording songs off a band lab on my phone. Which now is like extremely common. People tell me all the time that like songs that I legitimately listened to were recorded like that. Yeah, it's crazy. I'm not going to lie. You sound like you're in a studio off your phone.

15:52Yeah. It used to sound like shit a couple years ago, and now all of a sudden it's gotten so much better. Because there's so much different fucking presets or fucking different settings you could do on this shit. It's crazy, fam. You can do everything on your phone. So do you end up feeling like you really had to pursue this music thing? Because I guess you had thought about it before, but then you lose your brother and that kind of pushes you to like, oh, this is something I got to really take serious. Oh, well, I say, yeah, I know because I didn't even want to rap for real. I rap just because like for one leg, yeah, my bro super wanted me to rap.

16:32I used to like I'll say for like the first year or two, I was actually taking it serious. but like you know fucking just got caught up in some other shit like I wasn't even thinking about rapping for real I was more like leaning towards the streets at that time I wasn't even thinking like I'll be a rapper and all even like fucking like this like I would have never thought this is what would have came from rapping I wasn't gonna take this serious at all but the people around me kind of like pushing it like yo like you actually have a talent go do something you know yeah did people really emphasize your voice early on because your voice is really like a standout voice like i was listening to in the music and thinking that it was probably a lot of auto-tune and then from talking to you i'm realizing like oh it's kind of like it just has like a really really good voice for doing sort of melodic stuff people tell me that all the time yeah all the time even still now like i'll see it in my comments and shit fucking i kind of drop music on the youtubers and i'll read all my comments they'll see that shit like that definitely so wait how old are you now 20 20 okay so this is not even like ancient history when we're talking about all this crazy high school shit okay so at what did you end up so you end up dropping out of high school at a certain point yeah okay because of some dumb shit oh really literally um because i kept like like i showed you i kept going in and all the school so my last fucking high school years was in like an alternative school.

18:04So I used to fucking go to school. I think I was like 18 at the time. I would fucking go to school. Like you see like how I come in now like with my hoodie on type shit. At the time they wouldn't let you wear a mask. It was like a COVID mask I had. So my fucking my teacher I'm sitting in the classroom with my hoodie on and she's bothering me about the hoodie. I'm looking around there's like fucking 10 other students in the classroom with their hoodies on boys and girls so i'm kind of like yeah like what are you on me for you know some weird shit get into an argument now bro the teacher leaves and comes back and my fucking principal calls me on out she's like oh you have to fucking go home for the day the teacher feels unsafe or some shit a week later the police showed up to my house said yeah you're being charged with this and that basically some shitball fucking some shitball fucking threats and fucking gang signs and whatever the fuck it was I was like what the fuck like and was that exaggerated it wasn't true super exaggerated man I had nothing to do with that that's what I was like I'm honestly fuck school every time I'm in school I get in trouble with some next shit I don't even want to be over there right I could have graduated if I wanted to for real but it was just it was too much definitely definitely would you uh so at what point do you feel like you really started to have some motion with the music like you're just dropping shit on soundcloud at what point i wasn't even dropping okay so like you see like like how i said i used to fucking make music on my phone right these guys would like i would say yeah i was leaking my own music basically like i'll send it out to friends and they would just send it everywhere like i didn't really care what happened to it.

19:47But then I guess certain niggas got a hold of it and started putting it on SoundCloud. So now I'm seeing my music do fucking 200k, 300k. On other people's accounts? Yeah, and I'm like, what the fuck? Damn. I didn't even know that it was that serious. So fucking Brody in the room right there. He had me on Snap, but I didn't even know this guy before that. He's like, yo, you should drop this. I posted like a snippet. There's an extra rapper from my CD fucking YG, Tray 5. He's like, yo, get your shit on this show, kid. I'll show you how to work it all sorts. This guy ended up doing that for me. We fucking dropped that one song.

20:27After I dropped that, um, Studio Legends, the platform Toronto, they do like open mics and shit. They hit me. They're like, yo, we want to do your first music video. And then we just went from there, shot the video. They did numbers. So I shot another one that did numbers too. And it just kept going from there, you know? Damn, so this was all starting when? Like last year or at what point? Yeah, literally a year ago, like last summer. Damn. I don't think it's been a full year yet. Just about to be a full year? Yeah, it hasn't been a full year yet. So what do you do with that energy and that excitement?

21:04Are you like, okay, I'm just going to go super hard and start recording all the time, start dropping music, etc.? I try to. I try to keep up with the... What's the word I'm looking for right now? Huh? No, not consistency.

21:23You want to keep up with the fans, right? Like the enthusiasm that they have. You want to come through with music to keep them satisfied? Yeah. There was a word I was looking for, but I can't remember it. That type of shit, though. Definitely. So how does that start changing your life? Did you make a decision at that point that you needed to kind of take a step back on any criminal activity that you were doing? Everybody around me did Like I wasn't When I like when I'll say like This is the first time We went to New York A couple months ago And fucking You know 10k reached out to me And shit Oh really The man number more like Yeah like we're not even Letting you do anything Like I'm fucking real life Arguing my homies About shit now Like You can't do this no more We don't want you over here At this time Or in these places You know Right everybody kind of got serious around the same time so i used to say that's good i mean toronto seems like it's had a bunch of rappers who are kind of on the verge of becoming big and then their street activities ended up getting in the way of that and that's exactly what you don't want over here why there's so many people on my side that's like yo like can i just have to chill Right.

22:38You know? And I feel like it's more on the people, too, because, like, if you really want to do some shit, you're going to go do it. You know? Like, you have to kind of, like, train yourself to not want to go do certain things no more. Like, kind of tell yourself it's not worth it. Right. You have to be able to turn down sort of short-term money to be able to appreciate the long-term value of your career. Yeah. Not even money. I'm telling you, these guys, these guys out here are crashing for free. Right. And that, too. Yeah. You got a problem with somebody. you kind of got to be willing to handle it in a different way.

23:09I still have problems with shit like that. Like, I try to link. Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline? That's bull spend. And marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions. My boss asked for results, so I opened my dashboard for the only positive-sounding metric I had. Impressions. Cut the bull spend. See revenue, not just reach. LinkedIn delivers the highest return on ad spend of major ad networks. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend$250 on your first campaign and get a$250 credit. Go to linkedin.com slash campaign. Terms and conditions apply. This episode is brought to you by PayPal.

23:46You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms. I try to tell myself for the most part, like, yeah, that shit's not worth it. And I do good at it. It's like sometimes I even see myself slipping. It's hard, but it can be done. well I mean in addition to that you've got your pre-existing issues with whoever from before you get into the rap and shit and then once you get into the rap and shit then that makes you a bigger target for people who want to talk about you and kind of use you as a way to get attention right sure it's bad that's been a big issue for you that it's just like oh shit people are just kind of dragging me into we're coming out of fucking nowhere sad sad this sad that like I kind of expected it you know right it's not really like all the ordinary no i got used to certain shit so i didn't care for that right yeah i mean and you're kind of on the very beginning of it like there are people making youtube little documentaries and stuff talking about people you got issues with but it hasn't fully cracked up this one video i've seen fucking there's some rap beef between me and i don't even want to say his name right but fucking i know that's probably video see that is so false really like the only the only fucking thing i could see is probably choosing i started rapping on holster so i'm from this area okay but did like the song shit that wasn't even what it was because yeah i mean like there's basically like a shooting that took place with somebody and that video is kind of trying to say that the problems between you and another rapper are based on the shooting but when i was watching i was kind of thinking that is like there's nothing in this video that really tells me that the shooting was actually related to i kind of have to take your word for it and i feel like a lot of youtubers kind of get by on that of like oh well nobody's gonna fucking nobody knows if this is real or not like i could just kind of say they have nothing to do with that really okay so that that one with uh i'm not gonna say his name now i guess but uh that was like that's more of a purely musical thing or is Is that a pre-existing tension?

26:13I guess you could say there's pre-existing tension, but like...

26:19I don't know. I wouldn't call it a music thing because they're not making diss tracks back and forth. Even some of these songs are made at different times. The person that they're talking about passed away. A lot of the songs that they're playing, saying that were going back and forth, were made after he died, so it made no sense. You know what I mean? Really? they just say anything trying to kind of like make their own story up with shit i can see it a lot too like on reddit go in there read stories and it's like what the fuck did this happen i never been on like a canada-centric reddit but for sure i look at shirachology and cali banging a little bit and it's it's definitely kind of crazy seeing the the stuff that they try to put together but then also it's kind of crazy the stuff that they seem like they know about before it really becomes public knowledge bro that's just weird to me doing the police work for sure um so is that the vibe in canada that like every different hood or every different areas kind of got like their rappers that they're pushing and that they're trying to get behind yeah like me and these guys were just talking about this the other day but this guy asked me he's like yo do you think you can rap and not be from a hood if you're in toronto i don't think it's possible still like first thing man's ass is where's this guy from right what's he do is look at dumb little shit like that almost almost everybody rapping from toronto is from a neighborhood or their own little like you know what if you were making music that was like not street oriented at all if you're fucking bruno mars maybe you could pull that off right that's so hard especially where I'm from because everybody in my city they work against each other we don't really work together really even though Toronto is kind of like the underdog in terms of rap where it's like you know previous to Drake nobody was even really thinking of Canada as having cities that could really hold their own in rap in competition with other cities and stuff but then I feel like Toronto has kind of earned that but then at the same time now there's just so much like infighting and people who are just against each other.

28:29Yeah, it's been like a favorite bro. My city is fueled off the heat. Honestly, I feel like it's so weird myself. Why I don't even you won't even really see me collab with other rappers from my city for that reason. People are so quick to just like do the weirdest shit. Oh, like none of that shit. That internet shit fucking weird. Definitely. Would you prefer to just be able to do music with whoever or I mean you're saying that you don't really do music with that many artists in general there's a few I've heard like a couple of songs I was listening to you're doing collabs with people but it's not super recent shit either right yeah like I try not to to be honest I just it's not my thing working with niggas like for one I feel like um how do I even put this in the words but niggas are just weird weird it's just not genuine you know i try to keep shit authentic i mean that like as you get more and more famous and i guess you're kind of like the beginning stage of this but yeah it does happen like that where you know for me it's been like 10 years but when i first started to really have like a name and like people could really benefit from me being cool with them it was like that was tough for me to go through of realizing like oh i spent my whole life having relatively genuine connections with people and now every time i talk to somebody it feels like they're sucking up to me because they know that i can help them in their career yeah and that's basically like the bigger you get the worse it gets as soon as you can't get them what they want bro it's all fuck you hate you yeah this guy this and that and you do so i wasn't like that before right you know i mean i mean that's the type of weird shit i see going on like even right now like the fucking feuds in my city are so fucking like bullshit to me these are niggas i used to be friends show each other every day and i say oh fuck your dead homies and that was like dumb as shit damn yeah and but i mean do you feel like you're capable of kind of using that sort of shit for your own benefit because i like a lot of the most successful rappers i think when i think of somebody like king von this is a dude who like realized that his story was powerful and that he could use it and and talk about it and hook people into paying more attention to him by talking about all this trauma that he had been through and that he had inflicted on other people and that might kind of be counterintuitive as somebody who probably up to this point in your life you've been like i'm if anything i'm trying to not advertise my criminality

31:06yeah like fuck i can see like more like at the beginning in my career i didn't really care about shit like that but i was like fuck like it's different now can't be rapping about the same shit forever even like even if you are like I don't want to be rapping about negative shit forever cause it's still like the other guys that listen to me that I'm influencing to go do this and not live a certain way when I'm not even doing that right now I'm in LA if I'm on fucking no jumper and you're in the process of like elevating and changing your life and it feels kind of weird to then take that voice that's getting bigger and bigger and sort of spend it talking about people realistically who are just regular ass people for the most part you know no i feel it it's how i see it definitely um but so i mean yeah because like i feel like a lot of drill rappers the ceiling on what they're doing is like very very low like it's just like you might be able to get a million views on video or whatever but realistically the idea of you becoming like a big star it's just not really happening but i feel like with you it's got to be a little different because i feel like people can probably see the potential that you could be a bigger artist and kind of really transcend the the scene that you came up in i do a lot of different shit too like joshua isn't like the only kind of music i make like i do the melodic shit and even with the melodic shit i'll switch it up to where i can make fucking some sad shit where i talk about pain the whole time i'll make some happy shit talk about money and bitches or i'll switch it up and get dark even on the melodic shit talk about some gangster shit but like it's never just the same shit or one category when it comes to my music is why i feel like i can go different places too i mean even somebody like dirk kind of like transitioned into doing more melodic autotune type shit as he got deeper in career but the fact that you kind of naturally gravitated towards that in the very beginning kind of says a lot was that like was that like a conscious choice at a certain point because like most of the older stuff it's it's like i don't hear you straight rapping as much like you usually seem like you have a bit of melody and yeah what you're doing yeah because even when i started switching it from band lab to the studio is when i kind of transitioned into melodic shit too so like my shit that I'm dropping obviously it's recorded from the studio and not the band lab shit so that's kind of where the switch up came in just being able to do higher quality shit yeah definitely um so yeah like what music were you listening to that kind of influenced your style as you were becoming a rapper or even up to this day um well yeah I guess I guess the most of the music I listen to is like fucking shit my bro played.

34:02So fucking my bro, he's older, like I said, so he'll be fucking listening to shit like 50 or fucking niggas like Styles P. Nipsey Hussle, my bro, used to listen to him fucking this is like a lot of older niggas, you know, but for like, for me it was more like niggas like fucking Chief Keith, Lil Durk, a newer artist or like more like up to date fucking Lil' Key he was signed to a fucking Lil' Baby I think he's super hard Lil' Key was signed to Thug nah not Lil' Key Lil' Key oh okay I don't even know it's like Lil' Key but without the D oh okay he's hard okay and I feel like his story is kind of like similar to my show and he does his melodic music he just raps about like his bro on some pain shit you know so that's what kind of made me start wanting to like do that the melodic shit when I first started doing it, I was just rapping by my bro.

34:58And then I kind of found like, different ways to go about that. Damn, so when you felt that pain of losing your brother, that's kind of when you gravitated more towards that style? Yeah, that was all I was listening to for like fucking a year or two straight, just low-key fucking maybe future. I don't really listen to future like that, but those times I was. Because he dissed Drake? No. He went against Drake so you had to stop listening to him? no that's like yo that's one thing too like fuck I love my city shout out to Jake but like I'm not picking up other people's politics cause like Jake's not coming to Toronto fucking this in my house you know what I mean right I mean that that situation in particular like Drake kinda responded to like basically everybody besides Future it felt like he still had enough respect for Future that he didn't really wanna jump into that with him for whatever reason yeah Future's Future's under the ghost for sure he's up there Yeah, he's been so huge for so long.

35:55Really, like, there's not that many people you can kind of put in the same or similar category to Drake, and Future's like one of those people who's kind of created so many hits over the years that you kind of got to give him his flowers. But, yeah, I mean, okay, for you as a rap fan, was that kind of bizarre to see Toronto and Drake become such a gigantic narrative with the whole Kendrick thing over the last year? That shit was weird to me like I didn't really pay attention to it Like I probably still never heard both of their full diss tracks like I didn't even care for that to be honest Really?

36:32That's like a lot of their rap beats I don't really care for them It's kind of like Has nothing to do with me Yeah sometimes I feel kind of guilty that I like Listened to all those disses once and then never really went back to them Yeah like That's really what it is for It's for the hype niggas don't really care about that shit At the end of the day fucking like You know what I mean? and they're still going to live in their lives whether you made that song or not. Yeah, like sometimes I'll be in a conversation with somebody and I feel super lost as soon as they start to get super into it. Like, well, in Meet the Grams, he said this, this, and this.

37:04And I'm like, ah, shit. Yeah, I never cared for that. I did not pay enough attention to exactly what was being said. But does it feel like, did it feel like everybody in Toronto was kind of rallying behind Drake? And was there like a feeling of being upset when it started to feel like Kendrick was taking the W? Like, I was seeing, like, even niggas in my city make the shocks on Kendrick. It was wonderful. Oh, really? Wow. That's funny. No, because, I mean, in L.A., a lot of people, realistically, mostly people who don't really have that much going for them pretty much just became Drake haters overnight.

37:38And it's like, damn, we didn't know you felt this way. Oh, good. It's so, as everyone hates Drake so much. Right. But a lot of those people who were like vocally anti-Drake are now kind of trying to like act like that never really happened. Because like a lot of those people really thought like Drake's career is done. We're never going to have to talk about this guy again besides negative shit. And then he comes out and has a number one song. And a lot of those people are kind of trying to backpedal a little bit. And Drake. Drake solidified his spot in the game. Right. Like, I've never been more certain that we're going to be dealing with Drake until he's, like, 70.

38:18Yeah, for sure. Then after that shit. That made me like, oh, he can survive or whatever. Fucking Pop Pop and Biggie, how their legacy to this day, people still talk about them. Drake's going to be one of those people. Right. There's no way around it. He did too much. Yeah. He does too much. No, I agree. him him going through that battle and persevering and still being able to have gigantic music like one of the biggest albums of the year right afterwards i mean nothing else could prove to me more that his spot is solidified 100 yeah work for it i always wondered when i always figured it would happen slowly that like an like an artist would come out who was just better than drake and made more hits and had more fans and that that would be the thing that kind of like dethroned drake and like every artist coming up tries yeah everybody everybody tries if it when you think about coming up like even like or my shit people around me like yo fucking you know you're locked in when you get that drake follower yo did drake any like some people actually ask me oh did drake any did drake like any your post yet or did drake follow you or did drake people think you fucking immediately you get that jake follow well you did get the jake follow just the other day right i posted it and fucking everybody in the world was congratulating me i'm like whoa no that is dope because i mean i knew this was cheap i mean most most giant rappers like him nobody expects them to be tapped in with the streets at all but with drake it almost is kind of surprising if it if he doesn't tap in with somebody who doesn't follow him or doesn't show some interest just because he has such a history of supporting so many up and coming artists early on to me it was crazy I didn't want to listen to my shit I didn't think I was that big yet for sure I feel like he's probably in the same spot I am where as soon as he heard it he was like oh okay that could definitely be a thing right there yeah cause it's just kind of hard to ignore like when you've heard so many weak ass artists it is kind of really stands out to you when you find an artist that really seems like they've got the potential to to be huge and definitely i got that impression from listening to your shit i appreciate that do you uh would you say you're actually like influenced by drake sonically like you listen to his music and feel like oh that i can learn from that or i can kind of do something in my music that's similar to what he's doing on the song or do you feel like you're in a totally different lane no i'm not gonna lie like certain things drake can do that I still can't do like make a whole song strictly about fucking a female or some shit.