Spoetyface on Rollin 40 Crip, Coming to No Jumper with 4xtra, Issues with X4 & More

30:20You know how many kids that don't know how to ride. I try to buy them a bike. Like, man, we don't want that. I don't know how to ride a bike. They don't know how to ride a skate. They don't even know how to hop a fence, bro. They ain't got no scratches. Remember, we used to create games and play games. We had fun. If we didn't have it, we created stuff. I feel like it took the creativity. It took these kids' people skills. If you go pull a 19-year-old kid right now and tell them, hey, go walk in the mall with a piece of paper and a pen in your hand, like we used to do, and go talk to a girl. Actually, go talk to a girl and see if you can get her number.

30:51He won't be able to do it. 90 % of them won't be able to talk to Kate. They won't know what to say. All they're doing is sending emojis. You see that with younger dudes too, where they ain't even thinking about girls the same way that when we were young, what the fuck else were you thinking about? There wasn't a lot to think about besides girls. And now I meet younger dudes and I realize you ain't even really pressed about chicks in the same way that we were. That's crazy because they're just so internet-minded and social media-driven. It used to be a challenge to us. Who can get the most numbers?

31:20This, this, that, and the third. But like I said, it's good because they can make millions and millions of dollars out of it from doing nothing. So that's cool. But as far as like the gang, the gang stuff and the street stuff, it's terrible. We've all seen a million or like a lot of people who have star power, hop on TikTok, start making videos, talking to the camera. Boom. A couple of weeks later, they're famous. It's like that shit is the bright side. But the other side of it is the fact that we are all now like a normal people, especially are clued into what the lives of rich and famous people.

31:51are like and there's all these other people that are not really rich or famous who are putting out this lifestyle that they can't realistically afford or that they they are just representing because it's trying to win social media cloud or whatever and then you have young kids who think that all this designer shit or these foreign vacations and all this type of shit that that's just like normal that's what you're supposed to be able to do and then they think that their life is kind of fucked up because they can't do that or they don't have the ability to do that and like i think people forget and we're kind of like uh blind to the fact that there are so that to the extent to which everybody is like putting on a performance for social media like one thing that stood out to me i was watching uh god god bless some stupid blue i was watching some of his videos from 2010 or whatever and i'm just seeing what all the dudes in the video look like and part of me is like damn like they look dirty and like fucked up but the truth is is that this is before social media where people didn't feel like if I'm going to leave up out the house, I got to look good all the time.

32:53It's like people are just wearing slides and white meters and basketball shorts. It's just regular and the world has just changed so much because now even broke people feel the need to put on a fucking show as if they're not where they're at. That's a fact, but I had to learn that the hard way too because like I said, I got kids. I got four kids and three of them are teenagers. So even with the whole thing with Brick Baby, like I was like dang like I just and I see stuff out there and people send it to my kids and it's like it's like dang like you know what I'm saying we can never take this off like one thing that's what I'm doing you know what I'm saying before the internet and social media it's like alright you know time passed people forget about it or I can pull over but when you you can just keep going back to it and keep going back to it and keep getting reshared and reshared and reshared and reshared it's like oh yeah I don't want that I'm cool on that I try to stay away from that type of stuff you know what I mean because you will always be aligned with that you will always be the person who did this or you always be the person who did this that's in the third that is the crazy part of it even if other people aren't like anything that goes viral is ready to go viral again that's one thing you learn online there'll be a video of some like little thing that happens it'll go viral and then there'll be another page that posted three weeks later and it'll go viral all over again as soon as people start forgetting about it because they know that not everybody is tuned into everything so maybe you got 10 million views well i can get 1 million views by reposting the same thing so yeah like your worst mistake or the one thing that you do this out of character or the one you were at this point in your life where you wanted to say this crazy shit but you don't necessarily feel the same way six months later i mean you got to just deal with it and explain yourself over and over anytime you do an interview they're gonna want to ask you about it you know it's like it's crazy like how that shit just kind of haunts you and follows you.

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35:12i feel like exactly what um jay prince said jay prince said something he said man you wake up with a um choice in the decision bro so i kind of feel like with the social media thing you right but like i said in life everything has a pro and a con and it's just on the scale what's gonna outweigh the pro or the con. Now, I've seen a social media thing as far as with my daughter to where she was just on her goddamn phone all day, wouldn't interact, be in her room with the door closed. You all right, you okay? You know what I'm saying? Like, barely talk, like, and I'm like, this shit gotta be depressing to her because I know just me doing social media that I'm a person, I don't really be caring too much what people think, but you know, you do hear certain shit and whether the shit true or not like you know it still be certain quirks in you that be like man this motherfucker don't even know bro like i get up on you you feel me but that's the stuff that i have to like turn my mind off to and and i ain't gonna lie and some shit will like to the point i mean to um extend if you allow it to put you in a depression state you'll be depressed so i kind of seen my daughter getting depressed to where i had to take her phone and Like, ain't no more closed doors in this motherfucker.

36:32Like, when I was a kid your age, I couldn't even have my door closed. Like, a lot of shit that I allowed you to do, my dad just alone wasn't allowed that shit. You feel me? I'll be trying to be, like, the coolest dad. But I see me being the coolest dad is only affecting you and your mental state. So, like, if I got to be starting to put my foot down, then that's what I'm going to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, like, I have seen, like, it affect, like, social media affect, like, on that aspect. but like you said, like it's good too and I just feel like the good use of it, like whatever it may be, you know what I'm saying?

37:06You just gotta use it for that. Oh yeah, most definitely for me. I'm just talking about as far as far as whole. Yeah, no, as in the whole world. I think it's, I don't think our people are, so like it's a fire, it lights a fire that you can never put on. It's hard to put that fire on. Like I said, I had to learn about that That one-on-one-one-one-one. Okay. That flaming, that DW flaming, that brick base. I was like, oh, yeah, they're saying I'll never do that again. So when we was younger, right, when we was younger, like you really had to like go over there and get up on something. Now today, they just get on social media and say whatever they want to say.

37:43Yeah, I say game-banging. Exactly. And like I can say with social media, though, for real, like if you look at the numbers, like from like in the height, like of our game-banging days to what's going on now, like the numbers of homicides are way down bro like for real for real it's way i want to i want to touch on i want to touch on that too but go ahead yeah let's talk about that because it is kind of a weird thing where all these murders are mega publicized people make youtube videos about it even if it's a total not known person or whatever there's youtube videos breaking it down we're all going to know about it but then meanwhile we look at the murder rate in prior years and yeah it was way worse in the 80s or 90s or whatever.

38:26What's your thoughts on that as someone who's been around for a long time? Gang intervention. That's what I do. That's what I'm heavily involved in. That's my passion, and that's what I do. If you look at the numbers, it's common sense to tell you. Street dudes don't align with the police. Street dudes don't talk to the police. Street dudes don't build a bond or no rapport with the police. It's a lot of these nonprofit organizations. You know, I work for a couple of them, do gang intervention, safe passage, and all the stuff that law enforcement is supposed to do, they do that. They don't get no credit.

39:06This is a fact. It takes people like me and so on and so forth, people to come together at these tables and be able to offer these type of services. And this is what I do when I do gang intervention. We at the table, people from different hoods, different people from subsections. It don't matter. We from Crip, Love, Power Rule, Hoover. It don't matter. So on and so forth. We built these bonds and these connections. Anna called me, Spody, our turtle. Hey, man, I got a little homeboy over there in your hood. He's slipping. Your homies got him. Anything you can do. Got you, bro. Don't even trip. I'm going to pull up.

39:40Hey, that's all. Come on. You see what I'm saying? I could call him. The same thing. you would think it's nothing but it mean everything like literally like I got two phones because my phone ring all the time if I don't answer my phone like it could be it could cost somebody their life you see what I'm saying so that's my passion it's the work that these people putting in the streets they've been doing it for years Skip Townsend you know I'm saying tacos so on and so forth like I can say second call ceasefire whatever chapter two so everybody all the non-profit organizations down here in South LA they're doing that work the homicides rates are down because of them and the work that we're doing you see us up right here this is epic this is legendary right now you got a trade gangsta in the rolling 40 right here in the same room that we calling each other brothers i do this to show other people like bro not sending on everybody ain't a leader or anything like that but i do this to show the kids like if somebody in my status somebody with the influence that i have can sit next to a person who you consider to be your opposition and we can make money together and build this bridge instead of you know i'm saying building these barriers more people will come forward and do it for sure so okay from your perspective what's the most effective shit because i've heard about stuff like if somebody gets killed in a certain neighborhood people will just kind of snap into place in terms of uh you know people are involved in gang intervention to be like okay let's talk to the people around him because we have enough information documented about who everybody is that we know that these are the guys who are most likely to go get revenge for him so we're going to kind of try to proactively go out of our way to have conversations with these people and try to bring down the tension is it that kind of stuff or is it preemptive do you bring people together like to all the time to just try to make it so it's less likely yeah so so so so you already have you ever had you already had these organizations with people's that's like-minded and on the same type of time at these tables.

41:38So them conversations has already been had. But again, like I said, it takes connections. You know, you can't stop nobody. You can't stop one man from doing nothing. But like I said, when I'm doing my intervention work and I'm talking to these kids, I'm talking to them. They respecting what I'm saying because I'm the poster boy for this. Like, you don't want this. So when something like that happened, I'm telling them, like, look, bro, That's cool I know how you feeling right there I've been there My little brother got killed last year I understand You know how many homies I done lost How many brothers I done lost since I've been in the hood But you say that's your bro right That's your brother right Alright what good could you do What good could you do from him in jail bro What good could you do right in a coffin next to him There's no good Come on you can't look out for his mom You can't look out for his baby mom You can't look out for his kids You can't keep his name alive Nigga you doing life and he in the ground.

42:32And it might seem insensitive, but at the end of the day, it's like, I got to get it through their head. Like, listen, bro, I been on the other side of the wall, bro. You're not going to get nothing good out of that. Nothing good is going to come out. And then that's the generational curse that my people was involved in because if one kill, then the other kill, and the other kill at some point in time. And that's why I say the social media thing because it keeps the fire lit. And a lot of these dudes that be on social media ain't never did nothing. They ain't never really lost nobody, but they be the main ones.

43:01If you hear, if you hear all these mothers and all these people that hurt, they want peace. And these are the, these are the mothers who lost the, who lost a child. These fathers, they want, if you, if you're a real human being, you really like that. I don't want to lose no more homies. I don't know about you, but I don't want to lose my homies. So why would I tell, why would I tell him to keep this going? So like, like I said, I'll just be out there, you know what I mean? And I'll just be calling on everybody else, you know, to come to the table and not be, afraid because this is long tape. But yeah.

43:31I mean, I got thirst into the peace, right? So like, I don't preach like, for me it's universal. Like, I don't preach no human on human violence, bro. But you know, the Bible won't tell you eye for an eye. That's a fact. So you know, I'm always protecting my sovereignty. So I feel like if somebody, you know, trespass against you, you know, you got all right to protect yourself. You know what I'm saying? But isn't that the exact mentality that needs to kind of be defeated to have real peace? No, no. Defense is different than offense. Yeah, because if I just let you come kill, no, I'm just protecting myself.

44:08Like, you shouldn't even have it in yourself to want to come, you know what I'm saying, harm me. Because I don't feel that way to come harm you. Like, it's no beef. Like, what do you want to harm me behind? Like, imagine if right now we were able to take every single grievance between different gang members in LA and just erase them. They're all gone. Everybody's back to normal. I still feel like there's a club thing and somebody steps on somebody's shoes and they start pushing each other and punching on each other and somebody shoots somebody and it would buy you some time, but it feels like you're going to get back to that.

44:42No, I don't believe my people is that naive. What I do, I think that's ego. That'd be one of them. So you step on my shoes in the club and y 'all two men decided to take it there. If you take the gang aspect in it, then we just got men. So now that's just an ego thing. You see what I'm saying? The gangs is what's keeping it going, but it's not a city of the gangs. To be honest with you, it's people, the revenge, bro. We can't forgive each other, bro. And that's what it is. Like the word opposition, the word op. we too many times look at each other as oppositions instead of just looking at this as brothers.

45:23Until you get to look at another man and don't see him, people don't even be knowing me. Like, oh, that spotty face, he from voodoo? Like, you don't even know me, bro. Why you hate me? If, if, if, if, I'm going to say this, bro. If the East Coast's and the Florence's can forgive each other, like, two separate races, bro, I don't want to hear nothing about no black gangs tomorrow. Oh, it's too deep. Like, because some of this shit y 'all don't even understand, bro. And like, and I'm going to tell you like what made me transition to feel a different way. It's like when you get to a certain height and gang banging and you know, you become privy to certain information that individuals ain't privy to.

46:08And I've seen most of the time in every neighborhood that the dudes that you look up to, the dudes that are supposed to be these generals, you know what I'm saying, supposed to be these respective figures, usually didn't live up to the script that they sold to you. I lived by the script. I lived up to it. The ones that was teaching, a lot of them didn't. Like you see paperwork on dudes. They've been told childhood friends, hiding secrets, covering things up. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like the poison aspect for me, you feel me? Yeah. And then when you start, you know what I'm saying, furthermore, just doing your research.

46:50A lot of people don't even know. They banging these hoods, and they don't even know the history. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like if you don't even know what you come from or what you a part of, Like, how you going to know where you going? So it's just like, for me, like, it was like reading like a manuscript. Like, I was studying. Like, as I was doing and I was taking these pitfalls and I was going through the trials and tribulations, I was also learning as well, too. You know what I'm saying? And I was seeing, like, a lot of shit with smoking mirrors. And I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying?

47:21Like, on everything. Because, like, right now, still today, like, you got snitches that's stealing people's hoods, running hoods. are, you know what I'm saying? That didn't did something, but because they got a big family or because they got a body count, you know what I'm saying? We gonna leave that alone, you know what I'm saying? And I'm gonna tell you, the biggest thing I seen, cause I was one of the main dudes at the forefront speaking on Peace in LA, bro, and I put my face on it. Because one of my comrades spoke on it and I just ain't insistent him, you feel me? So these dudes out here that's like us, they don't want to get into it with their homies or the younger dudes or the dudes who's supposed to be the up and coming us they don't want to get into it with them behind who they send as the opposition you know what I'm saying they don't only I'm saying because like it can be dead hit bro like for real for real and a lot of these dudes don't even be from the neighborhoods they claim and they be from the valley or like outside of LA somewhere so That's what I was just seeing.

48:29In peace, a lot of these dudes, they don't want to go against the younger dudes for who they're supposed to be rivaling with. That's the only way it's going to change if you're going to get in there and do that groundwork because you're going to have to go against the grain. A thousand percent. I concur. I concur, but what I will say is that's why it takes more people like me and yourself to stand in the forefront and really put our face on that. but when my epiphany came in as i was in prison like i knew i knew it was bs when i like like i didn't really look at black people no more as my enemy because it's like like i said it's racial i never like i never grew up racist but prison is racist it's racist so when you seeing people attacking your people or every race ganging up and going against your people it's like it's kind said and be like, I don't like you.

49:25When I'm in the shoe, when I was in the shoe program, I was doing a time in the shoe, I'm on a tier and a person from Hoover like, hey, Turtle, like, hey, Spody, you hungry, bro? This is my main opposition or a nigga from Trouble, you know what I'm saying? Like, bro, you hungry? Just off GP, like, yeah, bro, you only get to go to the store one once time a month in California and then you're going every week, like everywhere else, you know what I'm saying? So if you missed that, it's over and then you come to the hole, you ain't got the property, you know, and they offering you a people Engleworth and Hunbrae bro they're like damn it's love man thank you I appreciate that I feel like that experience breaks a lot of people out of the spell of gangbang I've heard that a lot of times that's what that was my epiphany so it's like I built relationships and um and bonds like that from from that type of stuff and it was like dang these are my bros for life now so I'm like hold on and then it's riots in the same person you thinking about you don't like and all that that's be the same person that's saying you're like I got you bro you turn around.

50:18He right there. I'm rich. You ain't by yourself. You know, like, you ain't with yourself. And it's up like that. That's how me and Chico, that's how I met my boy Chico from 60s got cool. We was at Victorville on the yard. It was about to go up with the Pisces, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, the Pisces, they like the majority of the yard. So I ain't like on the yard. Like, I ain't gonna even lie. Like, I ain't like the Pisces, like aggressive, like gang members. So, like, they did some bullshit on the yard. It was about to go up. And, like, I ain't gonna even lie. Like, Chico was like, you know what I'm saying?

50:46Right to the forefront. When I I looked to the side, I'm about to go up. He's like, bro, what's up? You know what I'm saying? Like, from there, like, before then, we, like, had never really spoke. But after then, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, that was bro. You know, bro, like, he ran right over there. Like, I was over there by myself, like, getting a tour with him. And I'm like, man, I'm not even about to look for the homies. But he already had his eye on me and seeing what was happening and broke over there. And I look up, it's him. He's like, shit, what's up, bro? I'm like, oh, I'm like, all right, like that.

51:12So it definitely be situations like that. First going to Pelican Bay. like you know a lot of homies you know i'm saying was teaching me swahili like one of the first homies that was giving me swahili words was on pk from neighbor from linwood neighborhood so there'll definitely be situations like that as well too you know i'm saying but you know all experiences you know yeah um do you do you still feel though like i so at least part of like the problem is that realistically when people listen to rap music we've discovered this over the last you know 20 years or more that people love hearing offensive violent crazy extreme shit in rap songs and you know drill music has proven that to us a million times over when you really look at like even california rap a lot of the most famous songs of all time or diss songs or whatnot like i feel like that's always going to be a part of the problem that stands in the way of peace is the fact that even if there is peace between you know older gentlemen from multiple gangs that's not going to stop an 18 year old kid from doing a song where he disses 10 hoods and like rappers just know that that's an automatic come up that if i diss a bunch of neighborhoods or a bunch of people in a song i'm going to be able to get everybody to pay attention to me and there's countless rappers where that's the first time we heard of them or first time we paid attention to them or that's like the most famous thing that they ever did is they made a song that It was super disrespectful.

52:37And it's like, I feel like that's part of the problem is that the younger generation is always going to realize that that's a way for them to gain clout or notoriety. And with you saying that, that's where I feel like the pecking order and you got to, you know what I'm saying, lay down, you know what I'm saying, lay down, you know what I'm saying, the law of the land, because you got to look at it. Look at me. Exactly what you said is accurate. With me knowing that, I can do that. I ain't never did that and I really Instilled on business to diss and be saying Some crazy shit and I ain't never did that So just like if I ain't never Did it like shit who the fuck is you Just to think oh because it's the Trended thing to do to come and do it You know what I'm saying Yeah I agree to a certain extent I wouldn't just think It was necessarily rap music because Like I feel like in every genre Like even to back in the days like Rap music is just black people Reality bro so a lot of people like feel like that's their way out and stuff like that but I would agree to like as far as the dissing and I also would agree with you what you said the pecking order come in you know what I'm saying I'm big on pecking order too but it's like a lot of that it's like it's just our reality bro like you only listen to what you resonate with I'm not gonna have a playlist of all country music because I don't that's not my that's not my speed because they're talking about a bunch of shit you ain't experienced and you don't relate to correct it's exactly the same same as like rock and roll I'm not shooting hair on and you know whatever.

54:05They only talk about that a little bit. I mean whatever. It depends what type of rock and roll you listening to. You know are the blues. I'm not stressing over no broad. You know so on and so forth. Whatever the case is you know I just feel like it's where we resonate and you know what I'm saying it's sad because like I said that's the fire. You can't take away music but that's another avenue you know what I'm saying to keep the fire going instead of putting it out. Yeah but okay so instead of just you saying this is somebody hood that's what i'm saying that's what i agree that's what words is used like you can use a word like our enemy or i pull up on ops blocks instead of tomorrow i pull up on the wootie woots blocks you feel me instead of calling out names that's when you can like you know you can substitute stuff like you know i'm saying so it's just like you know trying to go viral you know i'm saying to do numbers and knowing it's gonna cause harm like that's yeah I agree.

54:56I agree with that. You feel me? Like, I ain't never been that type. You know, we ain't never been that type. So it's just like, why we allow it? Definitely if we in a position in these communities, you know what I'm saying, to make a difference. Like, you feel me? Like, on everything. It's just like, you know, I'm in my community every day, but I'm not over there gang banging. Like, I'm not on no gang bang shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I'm in my community though, and if I see some bullshit, like, bro, hold on. Like, nah. We ain't doing that. We ain't on that, bro. Nah. I remember Break Baby said this to me one time.

55:32He said, a real peace treaty is actually kind of easy, but it comes with some qualifications that nobody ever actually does, which is like, if there's going to be a peace treaty between these two neighborhoods, it has to be agreed upon by the OGs that if you break that peace treaty, we're going to kill you. But nobody wants to do that because nobody wants to fucking take out the young active dude who's actually willing to go do something because at the end of the day that's gonna be the same person who protects the hood when they need it it ain't even it's different it's different forms of discipline and that's exactly what i said that don't nobody want to go against they own for the opposition right that goes back exactly what i said don't nobody want to go against they own now i ain't saying just kill him but like if he did something like we agree on something that i look man from this day forward this will be on because what you got to understand like a lot of these beefs is beefs before our time so it's like all right we inherited beef but these was beefs that would start before you were born you know i'm saying and probably before some of your parents was born you know i'm saying or they was kids when it happened so it's just like when you lay certain things and like he said, man, like word is bond.

56:48Like, man, man, like us as men, as us being a community protectors of each other, you know what I'm saying? I'm our brother's keeper. This will be on. And if you violate that, you treasonous, you know what, you know what comes. Cause that's what keeps the peace in prison. Right. It was like the reason why you won't do something to a Mexican guy is cause you know that there's going to be real problems that you're putting yourself in harm's way. So like, I feel like that kind of mentality is like the sort of thing like this, dudes even on a street level like you what is going to convince an 18 year old who's got anger issues he's violent he wants to make a name for himself what's going to make him not go shoot somebody if he thinks his own homies are going to take care of him then shit i mean that's that's pretty we we so like we so confused like i like i say it's it's it's as simple as this i guarantee right now proven fact like i can bet i can bet a million dollars right now bro When you finally find your thing, you want the whole world to know about that thing.

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58:36Like, you know what I'm saying? So just like we just like be territorial, like against like each other. Like that should be like so crazy to only go to jail to be enslaved to the rules and learn to get along with each other. You are betting a lot of people. You already knowing this. Like if you get caught sliding, you're about to go to jail. And after you get past the County jail, you're about to go be cool with who the dudes you were sliding on with homies. Yeah, it's crazy. Definitely. um so would you say you have hope for there being like overall peace in los angeles or or even just like an a very large increase in that like do you feel like because especially like you know everybody knows that over the past couple weeks we've heard a lot of stories about shit going on in south central between various criphids and hoover hoods do you feel like there's something going on that it's getting worse because like we like last year it was kind of like damn the murder rate just keeps going down and then all of a sudden this year it's like ah okay maybe that trend is not necessarily going to keep going that way um i'm always hopeful i'm a man of faith so um i believe what i what i what i pray for when i ask for you know and uh we're gonna speak it into existence i'm always hopeful but like because like i said i when i go to work i step in these buildings i'm around 30 men from all different walks of life all different type of neighbors and they all at that table for one goal.

1:00:10It's for peace. You know what I'm saying? So I see hope every day. You get what I'm saying? Like when I tell these kids, hey, now you're not getting put on a hood or you're not about to slide and they listen to me, that's hope right there. You know what I mean? So I definitely see hope, but like again, I say like it's up to us us to watch what we say, to watch what we do because we leaders. So we We need it and we have influence. You know, so these junctures is looking at us. You know what I mean? They're taking their cue and their line from us. So if I'm out here saying F this and F this, they feel it's all right because I'm doing it.

1:00:50If I'm out here pushing peace and positivity and not saying F this and F this, you know, hopefully, you know what I mean, it could be contagious. But like I said, to touch on what you were saying, LA, people, I believe, like I said, be on these podcasts and they be dissing and going this and doing this and doing this and that be because of that. A lot of that be because of that. That social media and this internet stuff, you know what I mean? So I don't know what's going on over there with the Hoos. Maybe you could ask, what's his name? Gumby? You could tell him what's going on over there. I just kind of feel like it feathers more to a degree hyphen what you said about social media so right now right can I ask you a question before you start not to cut you off so you telling me so you don't think right now if Gumby came on here with me right now and his homie say if he come on like man I'll push speech you know what cause he's supposed to be influenced so I don't know how influential he is over there I don't know somebody like that So let's say whoever, they most reputable homies are one of them dudes over there that come over there sitting down right now.

1:02:02It's like, man, you know what? The Hoover's got a lot of hatred. The Hoover's is like the Wild Wild West. Like, I don't think Gumby can come on here. Not even him, but anybody that's a public figure, it don't matter what they statue or their stripe level is over there to come on. Like, man, you know what? I'm cool in this neighborhood beef. Man, we all brothers. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You don't think that I have an impact? There were a lot of young wild dudes in the Hoovers. Like, they hold from the four trade to the one. They all had to agree to that. And doing the time right, this is like us in the six O's was just speaking on peace.

1:02:44Like, you feel me? During the meeting, it was in the 20 Bloods. Skip Townsend allowed him. Skip Townsend, I ain't going to say allowed. Skip Townsend had it to where it can be had at a church over there in their neighborhood. You feel me? I work for them, yeah. You feel me? And so that's what we was directed to, you feel me, over there to the church. So when I got there, it wasn't just the A-Trays in the 60s. It was damn near gang of hoods in L.A. But during that time, when that was going on and people were speaking on it, like, shit, the main hoods, that was like F-Peace or shit. the Hoovers, the Hunnets, and the 9-0s.

1:03:24And I was just like, shit, we wasn't even, like, speaking on that, like, what y 'all, like, you know, the 6-0s and the homies, they owe the homies. But what was the 6-0s and the 8-Tray gangsters talking about, the ones that specifically came for that? From my understanding, it was more people that was with it than against it, correct? Yeah, for sure. So, let me stop you right there, if I may, bro. So, that all came from a conversation, though, correct? For sure. That all came from a couple of individuals like, you know what, we tired of this. Or a couple of individuals like, you know what, let me say something.

1:03:57That all came from people stepping up to the plate, bro. And just to have you, even if you tell me, no, I'm not with it. But at least to have the conversation. And that be my whole point. Because you can't tell me it's not no dudes from Hoover over there that I don't want peace. I sit at the table with them. No, I didn't say that. No, no, I'm not saying you were. But what I'm saying, in general. I just feel like this, just like even with this, like the A-trades, we got a big area, but we more of a compact hood. Like the Hoovers, like 40s, y 'all got like more numbers than us. So I kind of feel like with hoods like that, like the Hoovers, they kind of like spread out to where they got like more numbers to where like they more defiant, bro, to where our shit is more compressed, to where like certain like heads are pressed down.

1:04:44Like, bro, this is what it is. Like, and if you're going against that, like this is what it's going to be to where like the younger homies like they respect certain shit like all right like we know this just ain't no anybody's saying nothing like they got that and i think like to where on they side like that younger homie's more defiant like man yeah you feel me but like no i know some dudes over there that one piece but i'm just you know shit yeah hopefully like shit it could be had but like i just said just like even when that happened with us it was just like certain people who was just speaking out.

1:05:17Didn't even have to speak out like, oh, F peace. We ain't on that. Like, bro, what are y 'all talking about? I definitely get it. You don't get a lot of those, but I feel like if I say three or four lives, bro, that's the idea of my job. It's always going to be incremental. Nobody in their right mind thinks that somebody's going to say, yo, we got a peace treaty, and then nobody's ever going to get killed again. You know, it's always going to be a slow degradation of the desire to kill each other, you know? I work with adults. Like I said, I had conversations with adults and kids. But to be honest with you, I use my influence over the kids.

1:05:53My whole thing is start with the creative future, bro. A lot of these dudes, they far gone. I can't stop them. I can't say to them. But if y 'all want to come on and get on this train, that's cool, too. That's why I say if you change a life, you save a life. My passion is working with kids, bro. I go after these kids. Like, this ain't what you want to do. And it be controversial what I be saying or whatever the case is. Like I tell my son, I tell my nephews, nigga go build the police i don't go fuck with nobody talking about if you want to change all y 'all i'll tell every every person in my community oh we tired of them hopping out hopping out of they they're harassing us they they they using excessive force they violent rights oh well it's none of y 'all the police department there's no there's you know why there's no bonds in the relationship with the police officers like it used to be back in the days in it because there's nobody there's nobody from our community they way out of here they went Yeah, so they don't know the area.

1:06:43They don't know. Listen, so again, like I say, I tell the kids that's growing up to me, go be a firefighter. Go be the police. Go get in Congress. Go get in politics. This is why there's no black people. That's real power. That's real to you. That's how you get real change. And I don't be caring what nobody thinks, bro. You know what I'm saying? That's why we not. We teach our... I'm glad you said that. If I may just let me finish before I lose my change of thought. I look at it like this. I always use the chess analogy. My people is on the board. Any good chess player, I know, if you take off five pieces, six pieces, you got to be a halfway decent chess player.

1:07:23You could beat them. There's no way in heck you're going to win if you give a person five pieces off your board, and that's what my people do. We don't want to be law enforcement. We don't want to be no people of importance. We don't want to get into politics. We don't want to vote. All this, this, and then the third. So how you gonna win a game of chess, which I call a game of life, if you putting yourself at a disadvantage? Everybody wanna rap and everybody wanna play basketball. Man, go be Barack Obama, bro. And none of the people telling you, because us as us, we telling them, we ran up regular civilians.

1:07:57Don't snitch. Don't be the police. Don't be a fighter. This, this, that, and third. They think everything of officials is all bad. Like, you're a regular civilian. You don't even game bang. What are you talking about on your damn homies for? You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't even get, like, all this, this is the mindset of these kids out here, bro. And that's all races, especially blacks and Mexicans. You get what I'm saying? So my whole thing is, is to get them to see a different light, bro. It's way, it's way more than just rapping and playing basketball. So plenty of different ways you really want to change.

1:08:26Go bid. So what you saying that, when you, when you did the thing for No Jumper, when you had the host, the hosting thing. Yeah. So when I was off on the side, I was talking to him. What's the boy name that we was calling him? Brandon Slayer? Oh, shit. I was calling him Mikey O, right? Mikey O. So, boom, Mikey O, he had done move from out of San Diego. So we was off to the side, you know, dialoguing while, you know, Adam in the back, you know what I'm saying? And we was on a little break, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, trying to dialogue, seeing how we was going to go along with the contest.

1:08:59But that's what we was talking about. I was telling him. I was like, man, you know, I just think,

1:09:10This summer, serve up the cookout classics, Heinz ketchup and Kraft singles. Every good burger needs a layer of perfectly melty cheese and thick, rich ketchup. We all know it's not a cookout without Heinz and Kraft. We don't be giving our people the correct push, or we don't be preaching the correct thing, and that's what I said. I said something about our people being in law enforcement, right? But I say that to say Some little dude from neighborhood Take that clip Of me talking about that And put it on Instagram And like oh yeah young and hefe the police He tell them tell his homies Go get in law enforcement I didn't care either but I was just laughing But I furthermore just did a segment About it like look bro this is the stupidity That I'm talking about right here You want to tell me like that you wonder why When they pull up you getting harassed You know what I'm saying and they doing what they want to do you tomorrow they just did this and that legal searches exactly that's a force whatever you want like go go go do if you want to change go be the change but isn't the problem that if you're a guy from the rolling 40s and you decide you want to become a cop and then you go through the police academy boom you get to be a cop they're going to send you to some different area right because you're going to be under a hell of pressure in your neighborhood i'm telling the kids i'm telling the kids in my community i'm telling the not in phillies i'm not telling no members they do whatever they want to do that's them, I'll go for the kids I'm saying one of those kids if they decide they want to be a cop, they're not going to be a cop in their neighborhood I feel like the cops go out of their way to make sure that that doesn't happen some people in their community as long as they don't got no they can't really profile you as long as you don't have no background, they can't tell you you'd be like oh your cousin or your uncle, your brother is woo-de-woo from this neighborhood, just because I grew up in the A-trades don't mean I can't work 77 division and ride through the A-trades, 77 division go through a lot of neighborhoods, you know what I'm saying?

1:11:08I just grew up over here, you know, I'm not on file as a gang member. Got it, for sure. So, okay, you know, we gotta bring this up, that there was that incident where basically for people who have forgotten Brick Baby and DW Flame were on podcast together, DW Flame asked somebody for a cigarette, he refers to the cigarette as a three letter word begin with n that is a negative term for neighborhood crips and somebody goes in turns up the volume so that something that he said real quietly is very loud and people are able to realize that's what dw said and people immediately start getting on break baby's ass because he was there he's kind of perked out to be totally real you can see it i i feel like i could judge when brick is in a different state of mind and so he doesn't say anything he's just kind of like oh whatever and when he talks about it afterwards he says you know like i didn't want to make it awkward i didn't want to fuck up this podcast i knew that he didn't mean it like that uh i guess like me and a lot of people we didn't know that that was something that dw flames neighborhood or whatever that that might be a normal thing to say there or whatever so brick wasn't all that surprised but then you and uh forextra took issue with it and actually showed up here and that ended up being a whole moment how would you describe that from your perspective it's definitely one of the moments that I'm not proud of like I said you can never take that off the internet and the things that I'm doing the great things I'm doing in the community now you know what I'm saying and as far as my kids they will always be able to see that side of me but it was never an issue first of all shout out to DW Flamin's brother you know what I'm saying free to break not to trick they all bros you know what I'm saying but I had to go get there with them you know what I'm saying and we had conversations as men you know we was all being petty but My problem, the only issue that I took with Flame is like, okay, you on that or you're not.

1:12:59You say you're not on that then, bro. This is a whole podcast based in LA. You know what that could cause on the streets. That was just my only, that was just my only, like, if you're on that, you're on that. You know what come with that. I don't got to tell you that or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? But clearly you're not on that because you be around our homies. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I talked to him like we both hollered at his man and he's like, yeah, you right, bro, or whatever the case was, you know, my bad or whatever the case was, you know, and it was just that.

1:13:28It was never an issue with me and Flame. I'm just like, bro, you up here, you know what that's going to cause. Oh, that's going to cause a game war. It's people from his hood that live in my hood. It's people from my hood that live out there. You get what I'm saying? But I was mad at Brick for not checking it right there. You know what I mean? because whether you want to or not, you're a representation of a whole community. What should he have said? I don't know. I'm not going to put no words in his mouth. Don't call it that. I mean, but again, from my understanding, they had that type of relationship, which is cool because like I said, I got relationships with different dudes with different hoods too.

1:14:08You know what I'm saying? It's nothing wrong with their relationship. That's not the problem. I didn't want it to cause no friction. You know what I'm saying? is like you know what I mean so bro he should have said something because he's like you know what I mean he a representation of a whole community but like I said man Brick we cool shout out to the homie you know what I'm saying free him fast and um NDW Flame like you know what I'm saying that's just my whole thing like bro y 'all can literally start y 'all not tripping because of the relationship y 'all got what they had you know what I'm saying so to y 'all y 'all really ain't tripping on each other but to the masses that's all I was saying to the masses bro you could start a whole gang world over there and that's just what that was bro yeah I'm glad that shit seems like it kind of went away but yeah that was definitely an awkward one that was a moment where it just was like every week just some new drama just kept popping up people now talk about like oh i'm kind of bored with no jember i'm like like okay i feel you but like it was weird it's just shit kept happening over and over where there would just be crazy controversy i'm not gonna lie brick brick brings that energy but him and dw being on a podcast every week was really bringing that energy because they just like you know i didn't fully understand at the time, but there was just always going to be a little bit of a competition between them just because of where they're both from.

1:15:23Shout out to both of them, I guess. Yeah, most of the story. So, real fast, these are a couple of things I like to do for people in the community. I'm hosting in December. I'm going to put it on my platforms when we got the official date, but it's going to be in December. I'm hosting my first annual father-daughter dance. Really? Yeah, it's a big absence to that in our communities, especially the inner cities. You know, if you go in like a rich neighborhood, they offer that in the schools. You know, unfortunately, where I come from, at least where I come from, I don't know if they offer it where you come from.

1:16:05We never had no father-daughter dance, you know, be able to pull up. And then, like I said, most people that look like me, black and brown, you know, they just either dead or in jail. You know, so the only time we get to dance with our daughter is at a wedding. We giving her away, you know, and not a lot of women, you know what I mean, get married. They do, but we just don't be there. So I got my first annual, what's I'm doing for the community, father-daughter dance. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To get, you know, the fathers, you know, new and old fathers, it doesn't matter the age, opportunity to have that dance with their daughter.

1:16:36It doesn't matter. You know, they could just pull up. If you have multiple daughters, you could bring those as well. And it doesn't necessarily have to be your daughter. If you don't have a daughter, you got a little sister or a niece or a little cousin, you know, that her father is absent. You know, we want to give him an opportunity as well. So that's going to be the event that I'm putting on right now for the community. You know, it's going to be sponsored by a lot of people in the community as well. Yeah. So that's just what I'll be on, bro. Growth and change, man. Yeah, no, I like it. Yeah, absolutely.

1:17:05um but okay would it be fair to say that there's uh a little bit of conflict in the 40s in terms of just different personalities like like over the last year or two we've seen so much growth and so many different people prospering but then that also kind of has resulted in some infighting would you say that's accurate um i mean i mean obvious obvious so like obviously so you know um but like i said i just that's why i just i walk my path and you know everybody got their own different journeys and i just you know i just i just i'm i'm i'm i'm walking my path i'm walking my journey you know i mean um it's no secret you know my cousin is four extras you know otb by the way shout out to four extras you know what i'm saying off the back off the back oh yeah back, you know what I mean?

1:17:56OTB, man, OTB. But yeah, like I said, you know what I'm saying, he more of a brother than a cousin, but it's, you know, different personalities, and it's a lot of other one of my homies, you know, that's my homies, that's viral, and stuff like that, that's in a public eye, but like I said, I just do my own program, and I try to support them anyway, you know? It doesn't matter, that don't stop me from whatever they doing, or whatever they saying, you know, I just keep positive, being positive. Is it ever hard to be positive when it feels like people are trying to throw you in the mix or you end up just getting wrapped up and stuff that like, cause I feel like you are kind of always dealing with that conflict.

1:18:37Like that, the situation where brick felt like it was important enough that it needed to be addressed. And then at the same time involving yourself and stuff like that kind of makes you look a little bit less focused on the mission that you have in terms of making the community less violent, more peaceful and everything, huh? That's a fair statement. I would say that's a fair statement. But, again, that's why I said, like, that was, that's one of the moments I feel like I could take back. You know what I mean? Like, because I don't want that to take away from the work that, you know, I'm doing in the community or whatever.

1:19:11But, yeah, I'm always going to align with anything that, I mean, be associated with any negativity that's going over there because that's my community. so of course they're like oh well he'll from over there you know so and of course if my cousin you know is something they're gonna make it see what I do. For sure because I personally I didn't really know how controversial you were until somebody told me somebody said I was like yeah I'm interviewing Spurdy Face they said oh you should go listen to the first song on the Fat Jack and X4 mixtape and I did and sure enough sounds like a diss song people taking aim at you.

1:19:51How do you approach something like that when you also are on this bigger mission? Listen, I worry about the people who matter and the ones that don't. It's just like, it is what it is. Like I said, I just put my faith in God and, you know what I'm saying, I'm walking my walk, you know, and like I said, man, they out there, the haters gonna hate and, you know, the people that don't want to see it, they're gonna disagree, but I feel like that's the problem. a lot of people can't agree to disagree in a proper manner. We always got to take it to violence. It's okay if I don't agree with you. It's okay if we don't have the same views.

1:20:26It's okay if we don't believe in the same thing. That's the good thing of free will. I just believe too many times so often if we have a disagreement it's even violence. You literally have people getting into fights or trying to unalive people because of political parties and what sides you're on. And you see them fights all the time on an airplane and just a bus station. Whatever the case is, oh, Trump or Biden or Obama, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, okay, to me, in my personal opinion, it's like, believe what you want to believe, do whatever you do, you know what I'm saying? As long as you ain't defending nobody or you, you know what I'm saying?

1:21:07You're not disrespecting nobody. I don't see what's wrong with it. Let's be able to agree to disagree. We're all human beings. so when you said the x4 needs to be put off does that still stand

1:21:21sorry I just I was just curious and if you know you know man I said what I said and what I'm hearing that's Fody business none of our business we got to stay over here me and you we're on this side of the table they got their own thing on I got you

1:21:42um okay so uh i'm curious about the hoodie that you're wearing because it's got the star david on this sleeve uh i can't see what's on that sleeve but the truth seekers look okay so so how would you describe uh what this represents to you everything like this this this this this this small this small organization you know i'm saying truth seekers and you see the outreach you know it's spiritual it's biblical not only that you know I'm saying it's like I said it's outreaches for the community but this is my beliefs you know I'm Hebrew Israelites so okay you know this this all that the tassels and the fringes you know and on the back you got you know the scripture you know how long ago did you when did you discover that and how'd you get turned on to it um to be honest I came into the truth for 2018 I was in prison and my best friend at the time which ended up turning my rib um she started um enlightening me on me and i'll start doing my research is really reading the bible and then that's why i took it i took it on and has that changed your life is that something that is is that necessary and inherent to your sense of wanting to make the community better like do you think that you would have that mentality if it wasn't for your religious beliefs as well two things um yes yes and yes Yes and no.

1:23:02So absolutely, 1 ,000 % yes. But also what made me want to change is that time I got. It broke my back. I'm one of the people that at time actually. It's like, well, I needed that. I ain't going to lie. It sound crazy, but the extra, because I was only sentenced to six years. I'm going to answer that question, but look, I'm going to real fast. I was only sentenced to six years, but I didn't get an extra eight years. I caught attempted murder when I was on the inside on an inmate so I did that six years and turned it around and did you know what I'm saying the eight so had it not been for me catching that eight years I truly believe I'll be dead right now or I'll be in jail for life for sure 1000 % for sure because I was getting out on the same mentality oh revenge seeking revenge you know what I'm saying want to do this and I'm on this and I'm on that and I just wasn't ready to get out did that just totally crush you that you thought you had six years and then some shit you got into in there?

1:23:59I cried. I had to take a knee. I was calling Kaepernick. I took a knee. Bro, it broke my heart, bro. It broke my heart. Imagine doing six years and you get to the gate, they're like, oh, no. No, no, no, no. You didn't know that you were going to get this extra time? I knew, but I was almost to the house and they picked it up. So, long story short, California. You left the jail? No, you didn't leave the jail. No, no. So from, I believe, 2006 or whatever, all the way up to the recent, 16, 17, California was overpopulated. So they were sending their inmates out of state. They was getting contracts with CCAs, and they was out of state.

1:24:35They were sending us out of state. I was waiting until I had to Mississippi, Syria, Oklahoma. And my last stop, I was in E-Lord, Arizona. That's what I ended up catching my case at, a tip to murder on an inmate. So we was out there, and that happened. And so since I was in Arizona, they charged me in Arizona and they gave me eight years with 85 percent out there. So I was pretty much about to come home. I was like maybe like nine, 10 months away from being parole. And they ended up picking it up six months before I parole. Wow. Yeah. So I did six years. I maxed out on that six years and turned around and got another eight.

1:25:10Were you on your best behavior after that or trying to be? Absolutely not. No. Absolutely not. I was worried. Absolutely not. I was worried. I got that. I got a fresh eight years. You know bro First eight years But like I said When I start coming to the truth And that time start wearing on me That's when I feel like The transition Transition changed me Once that eight years I got there I'm like oh yeah I'm old I didn't say I had no fight in me It beat me into submission bro I wanted a few people to actually learn that time It beat me into something like oh no I ain't got I got to enjoy my life I got my kids teenagers bro Like I ain't got another day in jail in me bro like I'm cool on that.

1:25:50It ain't living. Jell ain't it. Yeah. Jell ain't it. You know, but yeah, actually, you know what I'm saying? My faith, yeah, my faith is definitely what pushes me forward in the community. But plus, working with kids has always been my passion as well, though. So, you know. Do you ever preach on the sidewalk or anything? I'm not just curious. What? You've seen them? Man, you have a podcast. No, there's certain areas on Ventura where you see Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. Hold on. First and foremost. Man, when he's preaching. No, listen. I would. No, listen. No, listen. Hold on. Hold on.

1:26:26Hold on. You were going Vernon and Wesley with the speaker. I mean, I would. Listen, listen. Listen, I would if that's what it took. But listen, shout out to the 12 tribes, everybody that's out there doing that. Because that should take a lot of courage and a lot of knowledge, you know what I'm saying, to get out there. So, absolutely, my brother's out there. I don't know whatever school or camp there is, but I'm absolutely my brothers. Have I ever been out there? Yes. Have I ever preached? Unfortunately, nah. You know what I'm saying? So, but I would if that's necessary. You know what I'm saying?

1:26:58If it took for me to get there, I like to go where I'm most effective at. You know, everybody's not a preacher. Everybody don't have that. But what I have, I got a hell of a testimony, bro. So I might can't give you every scripture. I might can't point to a I probably don't know all scientific facts but what I could tell is this this 14 year old this 15 year old look at me bro I'm 39 years old bro and I probably spent 20 something years a day you know I'm saying I can tell him that you don't want this you know I'm saying I could tell you that so I'm I have a have a different I'm not I'm not a traditional um teacher but I feel like my my my methods is very effective because I mean just thinking and from your perspective, like bringing people to religion is good but turning kids away from killing each other is like immediate life or death shit that like nothing could be more imperative than that.

1:27:55Yeah, I'll agree 1000 % but like I said this is not a religion, this is who we are as people, we don't look at it as a religion this is who we are as a people but I agree with you 1000 % and I feel like my calling is to get after these kids you know what I'm saying? So yeah, you're trying to change the world. But do you feel like in a more general sense that the streets are kind of dying in that? Like the world as a whole is kind of like losing their interest in the streets. It feels like now a rapper snitching is not nearly as big a deal. It just feels like a lot of this like invincibility thing that like gangs and street shit had is kind of like wearing away.

1:28:36You'll see Twitter threads of the Charleston. Why used to stand out so much for basically saying fuck gangbanging. It's kind of like a lot of people saying that shit now. Yeah. It feels like that is a big change. Yeah. I definitely, I definitely think. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think, you know, a browser, but Gemini and Chrome that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense?

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1:29:41It's a it's a lot. You can't you just can't just do what you, you know, I'm saying you normally do. You know, I'm saying are you used to do play. Most assuredly, you see a lot of people that snitches are people just associate themselves. You know, I'm saying what people was considered to be a snitch. Because even when you're talking about your son being a gamer, I mean, that is kind of like a to call that social media is kind of a stretch or whatever. as kind of like two separate things why you feel that way uh i just feel like he streams as well though but as i'm saying like gaming and shit is like almost like a sport in a way aside from the physical aspect but they got their whole world of communication so i'm saying but like to a kid like that who grows up and his hero i mean i'm just assuming or whatever it might be somebody like a ksi or a ninja or like somebody who's become famous off playing video games and streaming and shit like that if you grow up and you're looking at that as the coolest thing that you could possibly be is to be a millionaire off making computer off your computer then what do you think of the guys who are selling crack on the corner i mean that doesn't necessarily hold the same allure you know it's like i feel like that like in the 80s that was right in front of your face and what was the cooler thing to go be fucking michael jordan like yeah i guess but that's not very approachable you know nowadays it's like kids are getting their role models from the internet and and looking at the world in a different light not all kids but a lot of kids yeah i see that but when you look at the masses when you look at the masses i mean when you look at the internet that's what you see that's what you do think but i'm in the trenches bro my kid my son is one kid yeah i see 50 of them 50 different ones and they all they all hungry they want that street life adam they trying to be in the streets they 13 14 years old they want i'm not going to school i'll be on them like y 'all know y 'all what's hey go to school what we doing you know i'm saying like so So I definitely see, I agree with you to a certain extent, but like I said, I'm in the trenches.

1:31:33My son, he just, a couple kids, okay, whatever. But I see about 50, 60 of them every day. That's what they want. They want to hang out. They want to smoke and drink and pop pills like they grown. I mean, you seem like you're very proud of your son for being appreciative of other things, but like how would you necessarily have approached it if your son wanted to live the exact same life that you live? You know, it's crazy because that was one of my worst fears. That was one of my worst fears. And to come home to him and him be the game. I'm like, I'm so thankful, bro. I'm so gracious. But I just know me.

1:32:10That was one thing I said, man, if I have a son, he not going to never game back. He not going to never did this. So I would have definitely came home. I would have broke him down. I would have had to break him up. I ain't going to lie to you. I would have had to break out of it. I would have had to break him up. But like I said, I'm so gracious. And he different, bro. Like he don't even care about the streets. And I'm like, how? How was I? You know, I just, like I said, I think that I give all praise to the most heart because I wasn't nothing like him. Yeah. I wanted all of it. You know what I'm saying?

1:32:35He nothing like me. So, yeah, I definitely would have to break him up. You know what I'm saying? I couldn't, I couldn't allow that, man. And like I said, I'm grateful because not a lot of, not a lot of men, you know, that live the lifestyle that I live. You know, they kids, they kids are the mirror of them. They wanted to do the same thing that they fathers did. Yeah. And I got lucky. I got lucky definitely so okay what else are you working on and what's your message to the people out there what's the most important shit that you want to spread to the youth I would say to the youth and I would say to the adults man let's start on whether you black brown white or whatever the case is it doesn't matter where you are aging whatever you identify as he she whatever let's start looking at each other as brothers let's start being able to agree to disagree without bringing violence upon each other.

1:33:27It's only one earth, and we all got to live here together. So once we start looking at each other as brothers instead of oppositions or identifying other people as they race, we'll never be able to bring it together. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like if we start looking at each other as brothers and just showing the common decency, respect, say excuse me. You bump into somebody, man, excuse me. Bring that back. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. It's all right. it's alright for two men to talk too many times we use egos a person feel like they can't even know that they know that they're wrong they're gonna stand on wrong we gotta stop that if you know you're wrong somebody it's alright or to have a conversation with your brother or another man like you know what my bad at that's my bad homie and I feel like that's what's wrong in the world nobody wanna say my bad or I'm sorry they feel like it makes you lesser than men or you explaining yourself you know how many lives would be saved if a person just said my bad or you know what homie i apologize there's not a lot of that in the streets yeah a lot of apologies in like the mainstream media you know a youtuber gets caught he said the n-word 10 years ago whatever he issues an apology you don't see a lot of that in the streets you know it's just and there's always like situations where i feel like oh man i hope this situation doesn't get worse i hope they're able that kind of squash his beef or whatever.

1:34:48And then I'll just see one of the people on one side say one offensive ass thing. And I'm like, oh, hell no. Like, this is going to be tough to have them let go of this anytime soon. They're probably just going to have to not see each other. Yeah, absolutely. And also, accept apologies. Yeah. If somebody comes to you as a man or as a woman, and they take a lot of courage, and they put themselves in a vulnerable position like that to holler at you and listen to them. Accept apology. Accept apology. Again, lives will be saved if you listen to somebody and accept apology. You're not too good to accept somebody apology, but yeah, that'd be my message to the people out here.

1:35:34Like I said, I'm working on music right now. I'm putting together LA Cypher right now. Like I said, they can follow me on all the platforms. I'm on here, Spotyface underscore S-P-O-E-T-Y-F-A-C-E. Also, man, my cousin got the show with SAD on the 23rd, man. You know what I'm saying? OTB, we're going to be up in here. Go support that. And we got our podcast. That's what I was going to say. Word is, there might be a podcast. Yeah, we got the Off the Back podcast coming right now. We finalizing everything, getting the merch. We putting that together. That's going to be real dope. Fire interviews on the way, already booked.

1:36:10Good content. You already know his personality. So, you know, we're going to be something like the Ying Yang twins, man. You know what I'm saying? Spody faces, four extras. Bring it together. I forget. Got that Spody extras thing going on, man. Let's go. Yeah. Fire. All right. And Hefe, thank you for lining this one up. It was a good conversation. I'm glad we got to finally do this. Wait, what were you locked up again for recently? So real fast. Remember I told you I caught the case in Arizona? Yeah. I paroled Arizona. They wanted me to stay out there. I came home. So I was out 18 months. So they got me for scouting.

1:36:47They actually dotted me out there. And then instead of paroling me, they made me do all my paroling in 11 months. I did 11 months for scouting, bro. Oh, that's cool. No, that ain't cool. That was fucked up. But the good thing about it, I ain't no parole. I ain't probation no more. Oh, it's all over now. Okay, got it. So no papers, no nothing. Okay. Well, that's good, man. Glad to have you back. Appreciate it. Spoda Face. Appreciate you, man. Much love. Thank you for coming through. He got a strong grip right there. Don't play with him. All right. Appreciate you making it happen. No jumper. Coolest podcast.

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