Swamp Storiez Exposes his Face for the First Time, Documenting the Streets, Becoming Bored with Rap

0:00No jumper coolest podcast in the world and shout out to all my YouTube addicts out there because I'm bringing you guys some of the most intense lore imaginable. This is the first ever interview with formerly anonymous YouTube icon. Swamp stories is in the building. Thank you for having me. How you feeling, dog? I'm all right. A little nervous. I could tell a little nervous. I thought you weren't sure. First interview ever. Yeah. first time faces ever been on the camera so that's not true because you did all these youtube videos with a mask none of those had the mask off never oh okay i thought that you did at one point okay all with the mask damn that's crazy bro um so for those who don't know how does it feel like having your identity kind of exposed to the world we can go back and tell the whole story but i just want to know how you're feeling in this moment i never wanted this to happen yeah not necessarily because of fear but i just like separating doing gang documentaries from being a human being for obvious reasons but now it's kind of like intertwined so there's nothing i can do about it might as well come on no jumper definitely it's the year of uh you know anonymous content creators getting exposed because george also known as grand chat wizard he he also got exposed no no idea who that is for real see i'm realizing as we sit here that i think you're going to be in on everything that i know about he's basically like academics his bestie he runs the academics tv accounts and stuff like that but then charlemagne or rock nation or whatever basically exposed him as being uh an australian asian man and uh you know they're trying to basically get him out the paint so somehow they were able to expose him but okay give me the gist of it you grew up where san francisco okay yeah and so throughout your high school years and everything were you super interested in hip pop were you really deep into uh the gang culture then or well when did this start to creep in first i was just into basketball then i realized i was white and i was like it's not happening can't jump can't move i feel that so then like but i was always tapped into like what was going on in san francisco i never knew like the other cities but like san francisco because like i went to school with certain people who had beefs and whatever so i was always curious about it like why are they killing each other these people and i resent people who hold that sort of thing against me because it's like you're telling me that there's organizations around the city that i live in and they're killing each other and i'm not supposed to be interested in this have any interest in it right like it's the ultimate it's the peak of human evil is killing another human and i'm supposed to just be like yeah whatever you know what i mean and then it's even worse too because it's like they're creating art in real time about it well not only creating art but like posting that they did it after they did it right you know to me it's somehow not getting caught for it yeah in the bay area i don't know about la but no for sure i mean like you that's one thing that rap has kind of taught us is you can make a song and basically take credit for killing somebody and unless there's like overwhelming evidence to go along with your admission they're not really gonna do anything about it yeah i've got that going on right now i got somebody who's on my ass really yeah i made a video it was like a 12 minute video about some rapper from vallejo and uh and i posted the thumbnail like before i dropped it and i never ended up dropping it but i posted the thumbnail and the guy was like uh if you drop that i'm gonna come put you on a t-shirt and i was like and he mind you he's wanted for like two murders but like i know of like three others that he was that he like he's like a real dude so yeah wow okay we're gonna we'll get to that we'll get that minute we'll get that okay so you're kind of interested in it but obviously you're not trying to be a rapper or anything like that no no no no no okay how much youtube were you consuming in high school none okay honestly like i can tell you sort of how i started stories At what age?

4:0220. 20, so you're out of high school. In college. In college, okay. Summertime. My buddy, I went to go stay the summer with my buddy. We got an Airbnb in Atlanta. And he was a YouTuber with Kysonat, Duke Dennis, Davis, like the AMP group. Okay. So like, I didn't even know who they were. This is 2021. And so he takes me to the AMP house and like agent had a house and like, I was like, whoa, these guys are lit like mansions supercars like all the shit and i was young i didn't know who they were and i was like how did they get all this money and mind you like they had so many girls really like beautiful girls at the house wow i was like okay why am i in college like these are like yeah you know so then my buddy was like yo you should start youtube and i was like well i don't i don't know what i'm gonna do and he was like well what are you interested in and i was like gang shit yeah i was like fuck it started so you were interested in the sense that you were like watching youtube videos about gang shit no never okay like my first video which was all wrong by the way like the whole premise of the video was incorrect and what one was that uh yada versus zay bang beef okay and like basically i got it all wrong but i deleted it since but um it was just based on what like stories that people had told me from like high school and stuff so i was like okay i'm just gonna put this together and uh you know like when when it's just rumors and shit like shit gets all yeah mixed up so it was wrong but like like that feeling that you get when somebody starts telling you some crazy street shit and you're thinking like i have to try to remember this but then also like i can't really make a video using this information because this is just one person's perspective and realistically i would need to hear these stories from like multiple different accounts and see like social media posts or stuff from the music or whatever to sort of like cement it and make me feel like it's real i mean at this point i'm just going off articles yeah because like there's too much liability involved with like saying well i never i never say anyone did anything right i just say it's rumored that they did it or they said themselves they alluded to the fact that they did it right but i would never say somebody did it but now i'm just like okay i'm just gonna go off straight facts you know concrete facts that yeah so okay your your first video how long did it take you to make dude i had never used i bought a microphone i didn't know how to edit i just did it myself so it took like two weeks okay it was like right when i was starting my junior year of college so um it took off though yeah like right away 100k views i was like whoa and i probably saw it right when it came out because at that time people forget that the internet in what was it 2020 2021 2021 summer 21 yeah it was still such early days on youtube whereas like now we're used to it that like if anything really consequential happens beef wise street wise whatever jake's on it flocko's on it trap or ross on it it's just like it's hard to find stuff that hasn't already been used for content but at that time you could kind of make a video that's like hey the the neighborhood crips got beef with the hoovers and everybody would watch it just because it wasn't that much stuff like yeah yeah yeah no i remember like so the first one was like sf i think the second one was sf and then the third one i believe was like sob versus rbe or something like that and that was like you know like that was a big time for really california people say the bay area but like the whole west coast was in love with sob rbe and they just like fell apart out of nowhere right So when I dropped that, I think that got like a ridiculous amount of views.

7:47And then I dropped a Sacramento one. And that's when I was like, okay, I'm dropping out of college. Like there's. Really? Yeah. Five videos in. Four videos in. And you probably, I mean, if they were averaging like at least a couple hundred thousand views, you know, you probably just had made like your first 10 grand. I made like 12 grand my first month. Yeah. And so I was like, why am I in college? Yeah. You know. Like the job that I'm working towards is not going to pay me 12 grand a month. Exactly. Yeah. And there was no, like, I had no guarantee that this would work, but I just saw the vision.

8:17I was like, I'm going to make sure it works, you know? Definitely. And so at that point, what does your life become? Because I know, like, there's a lot of people out there really successful, like Trapper Ross and Flacco, that they've got money coming in. They've got fame and clout, but realistically, their lives are kind of dull. They're like sitting at a desk all day looking up information. So, like, my college life was insane. I was living in Baton Rouge, which if people out there know, Baton Rouge is insane, like good and bad. It's an insane place, at least during that time, COVID time, like parties.

8:53It was it was nuts. So like my social life was completely full. And I start the YouTube. And as you know, like you can't be a YouTuber part time. Like it consumes your whole even when you're not working, you're thinking about the next video or what I have to do next. So like it destroyed my social life. I will say that. like yeah you just have to put everything else to the side and just go in yeah like the idea of like and that's why like i find it so challenging to be like a solo youtuber myself is because it's like just the fact that i have like an interview or two per day makes it so difficult like even though that doesn't sound that bad like two interviews maybe three hours it's like somehow just having that one thing in the middle of the day just makes it so difficult to do what you have to do in terms of like really getting into the zone and just grinding all day to put the information together yeah so okay how do you sort of expand from out there like how long did it take before you started to set your sights on maybe like bigger stories bigger stories as in regionally yeah because you start to expand until like just sort of overall pop tales at a certain point right yeah like at first it was just like the california gang beefs which like i was only really passionate about like the bay area ones to be honest because like that's where i'm from like i always found the la ones to be a little unless it involved like the mexican gangs where it's like they chop someone's hands off or something like most of it is just like squabbles cut and blood squabbles blood it's like okay who cares like like it's you know it's just like the same shit over and over where it's not really like life or death for them right whereas like the bay stuff was like really like this guy killed my cousin so i'm gonna kill his cousin and it's like the back and forth personal stuff but when i kind of got bored of that i was like yo i kind of want to touch some more broad topics um and i just tried it i can't remember the first one i did that was broad i know i did diddy which was probably my biggest one i just like seven million views that's insane that you had it's crazy i had a guy i had a guy uh hit me up on instagram and he was like yo like like diddy it's got like a crazy past that nobody knows about and i was like what and this is before it became like a huge news story yeah no this is before he got indicted so that explains this is like 2022 or 2023 and the guy's like yo he's like it's gonna sound crazy but i paid him$2 ,500 and he was like i have an entire uh 50 page document of to i just built you a story and i was like he was like but i'm not going to show it to you unless you give me $2 ,500 so i kind of like took that leap of faith i just cashed up the guy this guy certified in any way like no it's a random account called like rick s or something like that i just like i'm kind of a lick damn apparently yeah so i just like and he worked out and i was like holy shit this is insane so like i wrote the whole script did it posted it out there and at first it got like a couple million views and then like he got indicted maybe six months later and then it just exploded right and everyone was like yo how did you know yeah about all this shit i mean that's the cheat code is to make a video about something that's gonna go viral right before it goes viral because because what's the dirt like and when we're talking about going viral i'm talking about like 10 million ish views you know that one did seven but like the fact that what's the dirt was somehow clairvoyant enough that he made a video about uh about you know kendrick and drake and then j cole and drake and all this type of stuff like the fact that he made those videos before the beef started just allowed him to just explode yeah and uh okay so that one like okay but just in general like how did your research process kind of evolve like was it was it like night and day in terms of like like what's the most extreme things that you found yourself doing to put together the stories uh i wouldn't say the most extreme thing to put together the story but like i would travel certain places to get footage it was kind of like i could just write it off as a business trip so i would just like go to a city get footage of the hood and like walk in certain areas just to like reenact the scene that i'm describing and i've gotten pressed a few times doing that um obviously not knowing that your swamp story is just because you're a random yeah just because i'm a random guy with a camera on a street it's happened a few times and uh yeah okay and uh i mean at a certain point i know it started to become a little bit uh competitive with you and ross you guys had a little beef that i don't think the real world out there knows about but there's been a couple times where me and Ross were having some drinks and he just ended up kind of spilling the details of it.

13:37And I'm talking like a couple of years ago because I knew you guys patched it up. No, we definitely didn't patch it up at all. Oh, well, that's what he said. Okay, what's the origin of that? When did you guys first start that conflict? Okay, so I'd say like it was 2023. And I had asked him because I was going to do a video on this Chicago guy named some little short dude who was a killer. I forget his name. And I hit up Trapa Little Ross I was like, yo, are you going to do a video on this guy? I just don't want us to compete and make the same video because it's mutually beneficial for us to do different shit.

14:13I don't want to do – turns out he was making a video. It wasn't about that guy specifically, but it was about the gang beef that he was involved in. But long story short, he got mad at me. He was like, yo, you just asked me because you wanted to steal my content or something. And I was like, dude, we can check. You've taken at least eight of my videos. I've never copied anything you've done at all. Like I've done the honeycomb brazy video. I drop it. I was the first one to ever cover that. And then three months later, he covers the exact same fucking honeycomb brazy video. And just like basically for, if you watch like both of our videos, he just copied my whole video.

14:52So I was like, why would you accuse me of trying to copy your videos when, you know? Okay. And then he did an EBK video. He's copied at least eight of my videos, which is fine. It's YouTube. Do whatever you want, but don't accuse me of trying to steal your videos when I've never done that. I wish I had his statements that he made to me more fresh in my mind because I feel like the gist of it was kind of the opposite of this, where he felt like you were copying his videos. I mean, the proof's out there. You can check dates. I mean, yeah, well, all we have to do is like put the video side by side.

15:27We'll be able to figure out who's okay. I'm not mad about it. I just don't like being accused of stealing videos when that's not something I've ever done. Okay. Yeah. And so like at a certain point, did you kind of start trolling him by like intentionally doing his videos? No, I've never done his videos. You've never done it. Name one. I don't know. Yeah. Because I didn't even like when he told me about this a couple of years ago, I didn't even, I hadn't perceived it of like, oh, that is kind of crazy. that they both did videos about this guy around the same time. Then when I really started looking at it, I'm like, damn, there is a lot of stuff that you guys were kind of competing on.

16:04Yeah, I mean, we're in the same lane, so there's going to be a natural overlap. But honestly, I don't really care. It is what it is. Especially in this day and age where it's so few. I feel like we're both. We have different styles. If you watch my videos and watch his, his are probably going to be more factual and detailed. mine are going to be more speculative and entertaining i'd say yeah because that's like watching you guys's content uh side by side over the years i have kind of realized that because like you know it's not like a terribly like uh hidden secret but like his main channel with the documentaries for a while like he couldn't drop anything without doing a million views and then it kind of started to fall by the wayside after a certain point and part of it i think was like just the fact that he sort of like ran out of topics that were like really viral or you know stories to tell and then past that I feel like at a certain point he just kind of started like putting out videos that in some cases like the young boy one or the thug one it's kind of like why does this video need to be six hours of like insane in-depth information whereas like when I watch your stuff you're messing around a little bit and you're you're kind of trying to make it funny and i feel like that is why your channel is able to hit a million maybe a little bit easier than his main no i give him credit for like his research is insane i know he has a team i do all my shit solo oh really so like that's why it takes me forever to drop these days also i'm just lazy but um it's like i give him his credit like he he nails a lot of stuff right but mine i don't really because i don't believe that the viewer cares that much about the facts.

17:46Like they don't care about the details of like, oh, this guy, you know, they don't care about the little minute stuff. They care about the general theme and making it entertaining. You know, so that's kind of like the angle I tried to take on it. Yeah. And I think he gets that about some of his videos, like the thug one in particular. I remember telling him like, this is just too long. Like I don't need an hour and a half of you like breaking down all his albums and telling me about what songs were popular off each album and i think he got that and made stuff a little more concise now i mean there was a time where there was a lot of interest in the hip-hop scene yeah which is it's kind of dead now by the way so yeah it's kind of a larger thing about i don't want to get into all that no the streets are no longer as intriguing to people as they were yeah people don't believe the myth of the idea that all these guys are just because they all go broke they all go to prison or they all die yeah so it's like you're living your your entire lifespan is like of adulthood it's like 18 to 25 if you're lucky right and then it's just you're done after that so like the general fan is like there used to be this allure of like oh this guy's so fucking cool like little dirk walking in the interview with 10 million dollars cash or whatever it was and now it's like he has no future like it's over yeah you know like you know yeah i mean even if you were to just isolate it to chicago it's like you've got all these dudes who build names for themselves in like 2011 or whatever and like almost all of them are dead in prison or they're like a chief keef who's basically you know up in the clouds like you're just not really he's not supplying content for a channel like yours anymore at this point and and then you expand that out to all the other cities and like there was this like sort of renaissance and youtube content where i always go back to that uh video that trap geek did about uh maxo cream's hoover video the the music video that took down a neighborhood and it was like really when i watched it back recently it's like oh this is mostly just a good youtube title because the video didn't really have like that much information about the music video shoot that kind of got like a whole neighborhood indicted and shit but like he was able to make that video about a video that had came out like four years before that and that is so impossible but there was like a gold rush at that time where people like you and ross telling all these great street stories yeah i think i got in at an amazing time 2021 yeah right after covid like young boy was the biggest thing in the world dirk estg like every region had popping rappers and it had like like now hip-hop is really just a black audience to be honest with you a black and hispanic a little bit audience the casual white audience the casual white audience that used to like listen to push iesty or like young boy or dirk is like listening to riley green and morgan wallen now like that's done yeah um so like i've noticed that's reflected in my views a little bit like my california videos still do the same views but like when i cover like a push iesty or something like that in 2023 or 2021 would have gotten a million two million views now it's getting 500 000 just because like the general populace of the average american youtuber does not care at all yeah yeah the interesting thing to me about that is that i feel like young people determine what's hot in the culture and black people influence what's cool in the culture so it feels like we're at this like time period in which the general public is not terribly interested in hip-hop but i don't really think that those two sort of like immortal laws that i just said there which is that young people and black people influence the culture i don't think those things go away i think that even though we might be in a moment right now where hip-hop is not really intriguing to the masses that it has to come back at a certain point but what i think might be done is the streets having such a a tight grip over the hip-hop audience yeah for sure but i also think like i mean we're culture vultures.

22:00So maybe we can't talk about this. But that's kind of part of why it has fallen off. I believe so. Because when you push people away like, oh, you can't talk about this, you're white. Or you can't talk about this, you're Asian or whatever. People go, okay, you know what? I'm just going to not care anymore. And I think that's like, hip-hop is going through that. I mean, if you look at the streams, no one's listening to rap. It's over. There hasn't been any rap in the top billboards in years. does that count yeah but i mean that's the closest we got you know i mean you know but there's no like little dirks there's no yeah like even young boy young boy can't sell anymore and he's got like a real fan base like a cult fan base and he still can't sell his numbers aren't that great when he drops a project these days really i mean his concert i went to one of his concerts it was insane oh yeah the concerts are insane but like new music yeah it's also not good music and that's the problem with hip-hop too is it's gotten repetitive because like there's street hip-hop yeah because how many people can you kill yeah you know at this point it's like they're they're just saying the same stuff over and over like yeah i mean i think they have to make being cool cool again like being having money having girls having a dope lifestyle that has to be the the center of the stardom not like oh did does he have a body you know yeah i mean young boy is probably like the number one culprit when it comes to being a dude who found a style of music that he likes making and then just keeps doing it over and over and over with seemingly like no regard for keeping it interesting because he just doesn't really have to make a hit but like the best thing that he could do for his career and really for rap in general would be just to make a hit like make make songs that are able to travel beyond your audience and he just doesn't care doesn't want to it's been so few times that he's even done that at all throughout his career you know i think i think the drugs have something to do with it and you know this from the kai benji interview being on a gazillion drugs it's not sustainable like you can be like young boy when you like i i don't know i don't know what he's on or but but like you can see a mental decline in a lot of these guys through their art.

24:17Because if you look at Youngboy 2016 to 2020, it was art. He was an actual Youngboy. He was unbelievably... All the melodies, the way he was put... His voice was a melody. You put him on any beat, it was going to be a banger just because he was just so talented. And now it's like... It's garbage. And I feel like that's reflective in a lot of new rap too. A lot of these guys have a lot of trauma from their childhood yeah and so they're just numbing it with perks and whatever and it's just frying their brains yeah i mean to be honest people don't like to talk about that but i've seen levels of drug abuse during my time in hip-hop that i never knew about before that like i've seen dudes who you know we're doing an interview and then they're like you know literally taking like a handful of perks before they do it and like just thinking that this is normal like there that is a huge problem that doesn't really get discussed enough in rap is that dudes are frying their brains oh yeah sure yeah especially once you start getting money it's so normal to become a lean addict or a perk head or whatever dude i know some local bay area rappers that you probably wouldn't know who they are but they make like a good like well street money and rap money they're making like at least 25 000 a month but they're blowing 75 of it on drugs yeah easily and like for them and their homies the lean the perks the everything i mean look at somebody like oh okay rewind the clock to 2016 and everybody thought it was the coolest thing in the world to see little pump drinking lean and taking zans and stuff and then you fast forward to 2026 and the the viral lean or zan thing is rio the young og slumped over passing out in a meet and greet or on stage so like even that like that's another thing that has been like basically brought to the forefront exposed for what it is it might have seemed cool in 2016 i realize the irony of me wearing the shirt right now but like then you fast forward to 2026 and like the people have just kind of figured out i never understood why it was cool like i understood why like the violence aspect of rap culture was cool violence is always because it's just human it's just human nature but like i'm a drug addict like why was that i never understood that when guys would like flex like i got lean in my cup like why is that a flex i guess you can't get through the day sober oh you're cool i mean lean is a status symbol because it's insanely expensive it looks cool there's like a cool ritual around it in much the same way we're like you know hitting the bong is lame but rolling a blunt this big is cool you know that's like literally you just like being this big millionaire on camera smoking this huge blunt adam we're white but we're white boys bro hitting the bong is cool adam you're white not me um but what are you i'm uh disambiguous i know i know what he is no no but i uh he's not gonna tell you that though yo i got i got a yarmulke right in my room every day i think about putting it on um but anyway uh you know with lean there's like a cool process that you're doing you know it's sweet it actually tastes good you're taking this plain soda you're turning it purple you've got easter pink in your cup you know it's like there's all these little rituals around you get obese and you can't function by all means but i'm just saying that like you know people don't really have the same feeling about heroin we've never seen a rapper who is and again by the way lean is heroin right but there's a process with heroin too you gotta heat up the spoon you gotta tie your arm you gotta yeah but that's that's like you know that that's not cool but like somehow turning the soda pink is cool yeah but if you actually talk to like real deal opiate addicts they laugh at lean lean to them as a joke like That's the most inefficient, expensive possible way to get loaded.

28:00Dude. I've been around these rappers now. The amount of money they spend on lean is... It's outrageous. It's house payments. More. It's like you could buy properties with the lean that you're... And there's a mentality around lean that is that... There was a Say Cheese Sauce Walker interview recently where Sauce Walker said that lean is a league of gentlemen. who drink lean this is like the most bizarre retarded sentiment possible but like dudes delude themselves into believing that this is like this elite club that nobody else can get into but because we have so much money and we have such high tolerance for this drug we could do it then meanwhile sauce walker's baby mama posted a video of him like he's like dying off lean you know anything you do anything you do is gonna have a come down so it's like yeah whatever the high is the low is going to be equally as low yeah so it's not a benefit in any no drug really is any is a benefit i mean you can make the argument like i like weed no but that's it because i feel like there's no real come down if you sleep and you wake up the next day you're fine yeah weed is like the one thing that could affect you in a pretty strong way you know like the average person if you sit there and face a blunt or whatever never mind you eat an edible you're gonna be pretty up for like a couple hours but you can really control how up you get by not doing so much of it and then realistically if you were to you know sleep it off you're just like totally fine the next day you know you might feel a little bit groggy but not really like we it's kind of a miracle drug in that sense where i was like you know taking a perk does feel good but then there's this period right afterwards where you just kind of feel like shit like last night it took like a three mile walk around glendale smoking a whole pack of blunts nice Glendale is awesome by the way I love Armenian women like there's thank you yeah they're great Glendale High where Leno the Plug attended used to ride bikes there a little bit solid school solid campus go hit the Starbucks down the street hell yeah okay wait when did you feel like you started to get disillusioned with grinding this content out were you just like overworking yourself at a certain point 24 uh yeah 2024 i just got bored of the content so i started doing different stuff different content or at least trying it but now i now i really want to pivot i want to pivot out of the hip-hop space and i want to go into like more political stuff because that's what i'm interested in anyways like my interest has shifted from like hip-hop street stuff to like geopolitic stuff.

30:42It's going to be a hard transition because my fan base they want one thing. I don't know if they have the same problem. Yeah like I don't know if they're going to like want to hear about like Turkey's next move. Yeah. But I find that stuff fascinating and it actually matters on a global scale way more than the Hoovers beefing with the Crips. Yeah. Once you get older and you start paying attention to politics it does make the whole music thing never mind the gang thing can seem kind of small yeah in comparison but would you do that on a new channel entirely i'm not restarting dude really i think what i'm gonna do because i got swamp stories to go subscribe i'm just gonna put like the hip-hop ones on there or like the street ones on there because now on youtube subscribers don't matter yeah it's not like the old days where you know i tell people that all the time you can by the way people out there you can start a youtube channel right now with no subscribers and your first video can get a million views easy right like the algorithm has no benefit of having a bunch of subscribers anymore yeah like and that's why it's kind of infuriating that people are always commenting being like like because i'll compare my channel to some people that i don't get along with channel like oh we did 100 000 views and you did 10 000 views and they'll be like well you have 30 times as many subscribers as that doesn't matter and i'm like the subscriber count like okay number one how many of those subscribers on no jumper are actual active subscribers i would say less than a million you know like our clip our clips channel is newer and it has less than a million you know it's like the idea that these are all active relevant subscribers and then also even on top of that when you look at what percentage of your viewers are subscribed it's not terribly high it's not high people don't look through the subscription tab yes it's a very good way for you to show the algorithm like hey i really like this channel by subscribing but by no means is it a guarantee like youtube recommends me tommy g videos every single day and i realized the other day i am not subscribed to tommy g yeah no but they know that it's soft it's in the category of things i like i've watched a bunch of his videos in the past they know that if they recommend it 10 times that by the 10th time i'm probably going to click it you know it's just like uh the subscriber thing is just super overrated like i just started like my i restarted my solo channel and i'm doing it on my original adam 22 channel but it does feel like a tough decision it's like should i be doing this on this channel that has a million subscribers even though a huge percentage of those subscribers are dead or should i just start over a fresh channel usually starting a new channel is better yeah i almost did that but then i just went back to the original yeah i mean it's a it's a hard risk because you the biggest fear of a youtuber is dropping shit that flops yeah like for us that's nightmares.

33:20Do you feel like if you drop Netanyahu who does a drive-by on his ops? Don't talk about your cousin like that, man. Honestly, we'll see. I have no idea how it'll do. I don't know how to gauge what my audience is. I get people asking to make a video like that. That right there is the ultimate topic because if you start going into niche weird little things then like you know that's going to be hard for you to make the transition but if you make a video that's just like yo what's happening in gaza is and then you talk about that for an hour i feel like that that's such a mainstream topic so that i feel like you could hit it pretty good getting played out though yeah yeah because now you're just getting everything is conspiracy now yeah like like i believe some of them but now like even like a guy like nick fuentes is like calling out people like yo like candace owens is ridiculous yeah she's like the jews are behind sli they were behind slavery it's like what are you talking about yeah african americans have english last names johnson smith williams you don't find black people named right epstein yeah berg witz like that's not a thing it's so easily disproven that jews were slave owners right that it's like ridiculous so like i say that to say that like that topic you're like specifically is kind of played out to where like there's no new thing you can say that'll get people to be like oh my god whoa yeah because it's like everything all these ridiculous assertions have been made and it's like israel dropped like their 8 000th bomb of the month like that's how is that a video yeah it's just like it would have to be you have to have like a an end but also this idea that like american the american jewry is like they're trying to they tried to destroy american culture by pushing what do they say uh pushing um what's the word degeneracy on the oh yeah always with that it's like bro horn hub is owned by jews they always love to say that bro god forbid they're good at stuff god forbid they're good at making companies and creating things like they're good at they created faith youtube right like dude i mean but that's why facebook was created by a lone jew right zuck yeah i mean i'm saying it's not like the jews did it it's just like some exactly but there's a bunch of characteristics of jewish culture that you can see why they are useful when it comes to running businesses i.e the fact that they take the business seriously and they don't waste their money on a bunch of stupid shit but not only that jews are audacious yeah like a lot of like being like i'm a goy like i'm a goy white like you are right it's good are you a goy i am yeah like going there's this culture among us that's like just be go with the flow don't cause trouble just get your degree well it's like there's like jews have this way about them that's like no i I want to win because like everything they do is my life depends on it.

36:28My six, like, you know what I mean? They just go and we're just kind of like, oh, you know, we'll just play the safe route. You know what I mean? I mean, like living in Brooklyn back in the day and having like Jewish landlords and shit. And you just start to realize like, oh, these guys are rich as they control all of these neighborhoods. They own all the apartments. And then meanwhile, they don't want any attention from it. they are you know they're not like showboating with their wealth in any way not at all they're just grinding it out basically doing whatever they can to make as much money as possible but then not spending it in any way and it's like that's obviously just a huge yeah no and a lot of now like the criticism of jews is just compliments yeah like you guys are i have i don't know 40 of american billionaires are jews right that's a diss they've created the biggest companies in america which if you understand economics you understand that a big company gets there by providing good services and benefiting the public right you know i mean that's just how economics works macroeconomics because if any other race or ethnic group was able to establish dominance over society and culture in the way that the jews were or have they would want to be applauded for it you know like the black community clearly wants billionaires they celebrate the fuck out of the billionaires let's talk about i don't want to use black people as the example but just in general human beings a lot of this shit is cope everyone to be rich everyone wants to have the most girls everyone wants to be powerful it's just in human nature and for people who like it's easy to go oh the jews only got there because of nepotism it's like well somebody had to do it first their grandfather you have to create something in order to pass down and it's like then you have to realize everything was taken from them a hundred years ago less than a hundred years ago and they started at ground one and took it off so like i hate israel with a passion i hate what they do to their neighbors i don't even hate the country as itself i think it gets misrepresented in a lot of ways but what it does to gaza what it does to Lebanon, Syria, things like that I hate that but like the confusion of Jews versus Israel is ridiculous and it's like it's a slope that is like society's going down where it's just like f*** the Jews but it's so incorrect in my opinion I mean what is crazy though is that you've seen things in the last couple months that you never would have been able to imagine before like Donald Trump this was even like the last week getting up on stage with jd vance saying similar things of like yo israel everybody hates you your public image is in the dirt we are the only country of significance who has your back and yet you guys still refuse to display any kind of good behavior i have family that lived in israel for like 10 15 years oh i just gave something no but and they hate what's going on A lot of people hate what's going on now because it's like this is now everyone's perception of an entire race of people based off what a country is doing.

39:40Right. And it's just. My thing about it, though, is that I think that to the average person, it's pretty much impossible for them to comprehend the extent to the level of danger that Israel is in at any given time. And October 7th, obviously, was a huge reminder of that. but ultimately it's like they are they're all we're all forced to play the pr game we're all forced to be able to basically play the game of who's the most popular and israel should be able to effectively play the victim when they're the ones being attacked by these countries and shit like that but then meanwhile like no they just overdo it in their response to such an extreme extent but they i think they are right that they need to basically destroy their enemies in order to be safe.

40:25I disagree. Because I just think that the threat is so gigantic that people can't even comprehend it. With great power comes great responsibility. Israel is so much more powerful, even just by proxy of having America in other European countries that'll do anything it's said. But without us, Israel's not that powerful compared to Iran and this whole... Okay, if you were to say that but with great power comes great responsibility. You can't over-assert Like there's a, okay. Defending yourself is one thing, but over-asserting dominance, there's a reason the whole world is pissed. Yeah. You know what I mean?

41:02Yeah. I mean, okay. Like if somebody breaks into my house and I, you know, somebody breaks in your house and you bomb their mom's house, that's not self-defense. But I think Israel at some point figured out along the way that if we just like get bombed and then we bomb them back and maybe we do it like three or four times as much as they did they're still just going to keep coming back over and over and over and over and so really what we have to do is we have to them up and destroy them so much that they can't come back but that is so not palatable to the outside world i believe in diplomacy yeah because your assumption is that these countries around them are just erratic and evil which i don't buy i don't buy that i don't buy that lebanon's an evil country okay but if you look at like the polling of palestinians and what they think about israel you're incapable of escaping the fact that israel has an existential threat right there these people want them dead they are indoctrinated into the idea that israel must be destroyed if you want me dead and i have a bulletproof vest in an ar-15 and you're naked yeah are you really a threat but they do but they do maintain being a threat you know they look at october 7th which again it's like what was a thousand people got killed really not that bad 1300 you know it's scary but really like not that bad in comparison scale that would be like if 50 000 americans died yeah so it's it's a big it was a big attack but i don't want to get too off topic of the interview but yeah no i mean like i'm someone who has always been pretty sympathetic to Israel, but I can't deny that.

42:43As far as the PR game goes, they are massively losing. I don't have an angle to this. I'm just trying to be objective, which I believe you are too, which is rare these days because everyone, like, even Tucker Carlson, like, he's put himself in this corner where everything's a conspiracy. Right. And it's like, and he's so anti this where he can't even be objective or Candace Owens. And even on the, well, the left is all ridiculous now. The left has no, more like not want to say more that has no boundaries of anything there's no mission there's no point they'll say something like health care but democratic politicians will never ever ever pass health care for all because they're getting paid by the pharmaceutical companies the insurance companies stuff like that that's a bigger problem with our society is like just corruption yeah in our government just to get back to the youtube thing a little bit i wanted to say though like did you notice this big change in yourself where in 2021 when you're making youtube videos the idea of being able to make a significant amount of money is like endlessly intriguing to you and you're so excited that you're working around the clock and now you just seem like you're in a different place where not only is the content kind of stale and boring and it's not doing as many views but also you seem like you're probably pretty comfortable financially to the point where you just don't really have that same drive to just grind i yeah you nailed it yeah honestly i think the reason that you still have the drive is because you have a physical place of being and you have people that depend on you like employees where it's like you have to keep this shit going and make it happen to me it's like this is a solo journey so like it's hard for me to like make a video that i don't really care about yeah like when there's other things that i read i read a lot so like when i'm reading it's not about this stuff anymore it used to be though like i I used to be so into the topics that we discuss.

44:39Right. Like gangs and rappers and stuff, the culture. But I think over time it's just faded as I've matured and gotten older to where I'm interested in other stuff. And it's hard to fake it. Yeah, and that's what happens to most people when it comes to hip-hop or whatever youth cultures that they're super, super into when they're young. And as they get older, it becomes less intriguing to them. But that's one thing about myself that I kind of resent. is that in my free time a lot of times if i have a free hour i might watch like a poker video that's an hour long i might watch or listen to a new york times podcast it's an hour long that's mostly about politics or whatever i'm interested in other things but when i look at who's really winning in the content space hip-hop wise i find like i don't think academics is wasting too much time watching political shit i think he dips his toes into it i think i think he primarily is consuming content that directly relates to what he's going to be talking about on academics is a very smart dude like it's very obvious when you listen to him talk and he's able to compartmentalize like work from outside like he is so in he goes off on little baby like as if little baby is netting yahoo yeah like he the way he's able to like prioritize that for whatever an hour or two hours and make this the center of his universe little baby little baby it's like something that i i can't get myself to really do yeah same because i i just don't really care that much about what little baby has going on if you were to ask me like about little baby's career i'm gonna give you like the sixth grader version of it and academics has like a phd in little baby being a hoe you know like he's just like it's so a part of his being to spend time studying this kind of shit and i realized too he'll hit me on a sunday as the admin whack podcast is premiering and he'll just have some like deep thought about it and i'll be like that's what he's doing in the middle of his day on a sunday i would never be sitting around in the middle of the day on a sunday watching hip-hop content you know but it's like that really is what kind of makes him i know i had people like when i got exposed which i do want to get into that yeah but when i got exposed a lot of people were like yo you should start doing like hip-hop interviews and just like stream about hip-hop and stuff and like the street stuff i was like man like four years ago i would two three four years ago i would have loved to but now it's like i don't even know what's going on like i really and i would love to because i get paid you know it's like i would be making a lot more money if i did care but it's just hard for me to force myself to be like like i'll watch a no jumper interview when it's something insane like the four extra interview recently um even the bald guy what's his name the little gremlin dude oh trooper like i'll watch ridiculous stuff like that but i'm but i don't care that you know yeah a florencia 13 member came on no jumper like it's just you know because i've just seen it over and over and over it's like dude's like yeah bro but you know okay what's weird about it is like okay my wife has recently become like way more of a bookworm she's reading all these books that i just can't really bring myself to like waste like 15 hours of my life reading just so that i could talk to her about some book that she read when it's like to me that 15 hours is so useful as like i want to learn about things that are actually going to impact what i podcast about yeah you know it's like i only got so much time the time that i have i kind of want to focus it on things that are going to augment my career but then like you know at one point i was like you know what i'm gonna start making videos about all the rapper podcasts like i'm gonna make videos about tony yayo's podcast i'm gonna watch every episode i'm gonna start like really putting the narratives together talking about tony yayo's podcast i'm gonna watch that jim jones podcast with davies and fabulous and everything like that and i start watching them and i'm just so shout out to yayo i'm so bored like i just like it's just not it doesn't elevate my mind in any way conversations that were happening three four years ago and it's people who are doing podcasts because they kind of feel like they have to do podcasts like this is the logical thing for them to do and it's not people making content because they're so passionate about this topic that they just have to speak on it yeah people look at podcasts as a good business to be in that's the one thing you can say about act whenever you watch act it doesn't feel like he's just phoning it no i feel like he's got a lot to say about this shit No, and I think Ak, like he has a chip on his shoulder because hip hop looked at him like a nerd and they wrote him off.

49:12Yeah. Because like I feel like in black culture, there's like a hierarchy of that's different than ours where it's kind of flipped in a way where like Ak, him being kind of a nerd and not that cool kind of like throws him at the bottom of the totem pole despite him making more money than any of these rappers. And there's so many people that are grandfathered into hating academics because early on they were just like, nerd, he's a nerd. I hate nerds. Boom, he was a nerd. Fuck you. Exactly. And they have to still keep that up all these years later. He's a killer. Like he's, you know what I mean?

49:49People who aren't really in the space don't realize how hard he goes and how good he is. Yeah. Yeah. Like somebody was like, oh, you can just be like academics. I'm like, no, I can't. academics is like that's like i can't make swamp stories videos that take me forever to make because i research right record edit them myself and then also be thinking about little baby i can't like i can't do i wish i could yeah i'd be balling yeah but you know no definitely but uh okay so you've grown a little bit tired of it but do you think that there will ever be like a swamp stories like documentary again that really like rises to the occasion because you know somebody like ross you got to give it to him that when the bloodhound little jeff thing pops off boom he got the video ready in like a week you know because he has a team around him that's able to like expedite the process you know four extra blows his hand off within a week or two he's got a video about him that like you know realistically he had no idea he was going to make that video until that thing happened i i don't know if i'd call that like sensationalism but like i don't that's a stressful way of being yeah like something happens oh i gotta make the video and i've never wanted to do that because i feel like it downgrades the content the quality of content like if you watch my videos there's a certain level of like attention to detail i put into it where if i were to make it in a week it would just be kind of bland because i always go i make like three edits where i like go back and i'm like okay i gotta make this part more entertaining i gotta uh make this more dramatic i gotta describe this better so it really takes me a while to put this shit together whereas if i were to like for example like tomorrow god forbid young boy gets shot i'm not gonna be like okay i gotta get on the computer and do it because travel ross is gonna beat me nine times out of ten to the punch and not to mention that dudes like flaco and jake are going to be and ross too are going to be like doing up to the minute updates about every tiny little thing that we are learning about him getting shot you know like one guy gets arrested boom that that that is multiple videos worth of content diving into who this guy is what gang is he from let's talk about that let's talk about what rappers he's affiliated with let's go through those rapper songs let's find this bar that seems like it was kind of aimed at young boy blah blah blah you know all that shit is just such a intense job and there are so many people like shout out to seti nash he's a good example of somebody who's just like nipping at those dudes heels too like you know he wants to be well they're in that exact same category what i found out recently is flacco makes so much money yeah i don't even want to say he showed me he showed me like 120k in a month off one channel yeah not including snapchat not including his other ventures and he has no expenses that's the most important part and like i'm so jealous i could show you he's so good at it yeah like i could show you how much i've made from youtube certain months that would be really impressive but then like but the building a lot of like you know my best months i can't look at the dollar amount without also thinking like yeah but i paid this guy this much and i bet this guy this much and it's like all of a sudden in my head that number gets whittled down a lot yeah no flaco setting up a camera in a hotel room he's like you know he's just going he's just doing his whole like you know what this is the end yeah of america yeah and you're just like oh we're like the smallest topic he's just exaggerating everything but he honestly when he first started i was like oh this is not gonna work because i was like everything's an exaggeration yeah but the way he's maintained a fan base like i'm impressed and i would be less impressed if every video was about like no jumper drama or whatever but the fact that he became at least from my perspective kind of like the main dude keeping people updated on somebody like chud that to me is super impressive his his range is so broad now you can talk about anything yeah but you had a guy from who would make videos about you every week i can't think of his name he used to react to you and you'd be like adam from nashua what's that guy's name i forget oh okay and he was like on your ass and his entire channel was just about you yeah anything you'd say was like a problematic but that's like a new sphere on youtube too where like they go after joe rogan they go after yeah you could be right sure that's the number one way to build up an identity is to be like the anti-guy for a thing that is popular yeah and really it's it's hard to think of popular content creators that don't have it yeah but they get so many views they act like andrew schultz a podcast is so problematic like it's just world ending and people will like be in the comments like yeah andrew schultz blah blah it's like what did he do like yeah well they're able to like pick apart things that they don't like about them that's enough they'd be like joe rogan works for palantir you're like based on what because he had peter teal on the podcast yeah peter teal has been on a thousand podcasts but but you see like okay like I think Brendan Schaub kind of like cracked open that meta to a certain extent with a lot of those podcast reactors because they basically they liked him a lot.

55:05And then they started to see him doing things that they thought were indicative of him being a shitty person. And that was enough for them to feel like wronged by realizing like what he was actually like. And then that basically created so many reaction videos. And then they take that same energy and they'll bring it to somebody like Andrew Schultz, who, I mean, I just seen Andrew Schultz at like the Hollywood Bowl with like, you know, 30 ,000 people in the audience. You know, clearly he's extremely popular still, but they'll like try to craft that same narrative about him where he's fallen off, he's done, et cetera.

55:39It's always that. That's the title. But Flacco does that too. So like Brendan Schaub might really be done. Wait, Brendan Schaub is the UFC fighter guy? Used to be. Yeah. But like, I'm just saying like his channel, like views wise has really fallen off the cliff. Yeah, yeah. Andrew Schultz, I'm not sure if flagrant really fell off a cliff. Dude, Andrew Schultz is so loaded. He's huge. It doesn't even matter. He's getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a comedy show. What are we talking about? But they try to take that same thing and apply it to somebody like him. Because if that seemed like it was true, I'm sure there's plenty of people that buy into it.

56:11But you'll talk to people about different comedians and they'll be like, oh yeah, that guy's done, right? And I'll be like, what? He's performing to many thousands of people every single night. YouTube can definitely set narratives that. Yeah. Like I've felt guilty of it sometimes. I just dropped a video where I was like exposing. Lil Dame? Yeah. Did you interview him? I didn't. I tried to set that up with you. No, at one point he was supposed to do an interview. And then I think he did like an interview with Trevor from the VBC instead. Oh. I tried to set that up with you guys. But basically like.

56:43Basically a guy he's related to is the guy who's trying to kill me. Okay. And so like I didn't drop that video. So I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to do something that basically the opposite where I'm saying this guy's never done anything that he claims he's done. No, I mean that video was pretty harsh just because you painted the picture of him basically like false claiming bodies off of situations. It bothered me because one of the families of the victims like was the one. Well, no, the first person who brought that to my attention was his big homie in prison who's doing life for two of those murders.

57:17and I didn't know who he was and he was like he broke it down to me he was like yo this young dude from my hood like he's like pretending like he did what I did it's really weird and I was like it's bothering me cause like I'm doing life for this shit and he's pretending like he did it and he's pretending like he's King Vaughn and he's never done anything well that is very damning right there and so I was like okay but this was like two years ago okay so like I never did I never this is when he first came out rapping so I never like did anything cause I don't have any intentions of like honestly like I told J-Bo who Lil Dame was.

57:50Like I have to text receipts where I was like sending J-Bo rappers and shit to work with and he ended up working with all of them. Like Kai, Lil Dame, Dream Life Rizzy, shit like that where I was like yo these dudes are coming out of the Bay they're fucking hard. I want to see the Bay win. I always wanted to see the Bay win. People think like I have this thing where I like like I hate the Bay or something like that. It's actually the opposite. I just hate the cap. I hate when people pretend like it's dangerous and stuff it just really bothers me as a person from there it's like it's not dangerous at all right and like that's the part that bothers me and like the rapper is pretending like like in this situation it's just disrespectful right somebody somebody died for no reason and you're in your rap saying them we we i did this or that and it's like yo there's a family grieving right that you had you had nothing to do with it yeah and i mean i feel for a little dame because I see why someone like him wants to kill you because he's a rapper that I have a Lil' Dame song on my 2026 playlist.

58:53He's hard. I watched that video and it's kind of like unless he refutes this and speaks out against what you said and is able to sort of rewrite the narrative, yeah, your YouTube video took my understanding of what he was doing lyrically when he's dissing and stuff and really put it in the fucking toilet it because the the allegation that you're saying is gnarly of like oh you're false claiming in your music a body of an innocent person that not only did you have nothing to do with but that person died for no reason it wasn't an odd that that's crazy yeah so like the like the family one of the guys who died was like yo he keeps dissing in every song our son yeah our son was not even from the same city our son was just walking his dog or or or or was just hanging out there or whatever, whatever.

59:41And it's like, and this guy's fucking dissing 10 years later. Yeah. Like, what the fuck is this about? Like, why do we have to relive this trauma of like dissing? And who the fuck is this kid? It would be like if Josh got into a drunk driving accident and killed some dude. And then like, I just rapped about killing him. Yeah. But by the way, I'm not saying that Lil' Dame isn't like that. Right. He is like that. Like he's fully in a beef. Okay. Multiple beefs. it's just the fact that your entire rap career is based off things that you had nothing like let's say he raps about eight murders right seven out of the eight somebody's doing life in prison for them right and like they happened when he was like 12 yeah so it's just odd and and i don't deny that he could be a gangster and shit like that but i really i feel like you were putting him in a position where he has to speak and explain that shit because otherwise someone like me my opinion of him is just damn okay i'm taking what you said as fact but honestly i blame chicago for this in general because chicago set the standard amongst like drill rap yeah where you have to be a serial killer like it set the threshold really high yeah for what a gangster rapper back in the day 50 cent could just be like yeah i carry a gun and that was like oh yeah you're cool yeah or i got shot i got shot now you don't say that you can't brag about you can't brag oh you're a victim like it's not cool anymore now you have to be like a serial killer to where like i understand why somebody like that like dame would come up and be like yo i'm just gonna flood my lyrics with this guy this guy i stood over this guy i killed this guy shot this guy because you almost have to you almost have to unless you're so talented yeah to where you can talk about anything if you're not like if you're larry june yeah you can talk about anything because you have your own lane but if you want to be like gangster rap you have to be a serious especially in the bay area like la is a little different because la doesn't value murders as much as it does squabbles in like general theme of like i'm from this gang and that's what gives me i got put on right or i went to jail and caught a fade that's what makes me This.

1:01:49But LA just hasn't had a rapper who was really like listenable who also had the reputation for killing a shitload of people. Like I can think of a bunch of LA rappers who it's rumored have killed a bunch of people but none of them are like dope enough rap wise to really get attention. Also the LA guys don't say the names of the people they beef with because it's just like a lot of times they don't know the guys they're beefing with. It's just a guy who got put on over there and I got put on over here. So we're supposed to hate each other. And maybe one night, his big homie put him on a mission.

1:02:21He went and did something. But it's just like, I put in work for the gang. It's not like, fuck the guy who died specifically. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's why in LA rap, you don't hear a lot of the dame stuff. Yeah, yeah. No, you should listen to Jet Beasy. Is that the guy from San Bernardino or something? No, he's from out here. But I mean, people hate on him because he got - Oh, that's the guy who robbed somebody. well he took uh heme bz's chain and then like i guess like heme bz's homies came and like hog tied him and like f***ed him up and like robbed s*** out of his crib or whatever but musically his s*** is hard and i have no idea if he's just like telling stories in his music or whatever but he'd be dissing like people by name having to bleep names out s*** like that oh okay yeah but some of it like some of it it's indistinguishable now what's real and what's fake like hi benji's real he feels real he's real and there's a couple of dream life rizzy did he do an interview with you yeah he's real shout out to dream life is free well i don't know if he's in jail but well he's real the rizzy interview is crazy to me because uh was it paul graham i think it is it's like a one of the guys from y combinators like a huge venture capitalist or whatever like in the dream life rizzy interview he's talking about the fact that it's basically pointless to do drive-bys or like to go kill people oh and they use that to basically promote the security systems that they're selling cameras yeah the no jumper uh interview was used as promotional material and they refer to dream life rizzi as like prolific gangster one of the biggest killers or whatever i'm like okay i don't know first of all that's slander he can sue for that because he's never been charged with a murder and you're saying he's a murderer i think they said like one of the top criminals not killers okay well that but but i just i've never seen anything like that of like but the picture that he's painting of what it's like to do crime in the bay is is just like oh why would you do this but that's everywhere you know it's over and that's part of the reason that's part of the reason part of the reason the streets are dead like especially for the bay area is like 2020 you can do whatever you want and like the bay area has this culture of anti-establishment like on a street level to where like it even spills over to the judges the DAs were like they don't even want to charge you with a crime because they feel like that would be like yeah it's just liberal policing it's but it's not even just liberal it's like at this point it's like full lefty yeah garbage where it's like they're letting people out you had a guy sitting in the seat that was supposed to go down for a murder and they gave him one year yeah like it's crazy yeah but so 2020 not only did you not have the technology to catch this stuff but then that even if you did get caught the da's were just letting you go or the judge or the da does prosecute and the judge lets you go it's like there's so many levels of how how many steps it would take for you to actually go to jail for doing a crime in the bay area at that point where like a lot of these videos i could i could just do endless content people were hitting crazy licks doing crazy shootouts on the bridge all this stuff that's just not possible to do anymore you think there's that big of a difference in like six years from 2026 2020 because i mean 2010 to 2020 is kind of like light and day too but like if you rewind all the way to like the 70s or the 80s i mean well i can speak for us in like the bay area um what makes 2020 crazy is just it was quiet before that like 2019 2018 2017 the streets were kind of quiet and then 2020 like pandemic time yeah i think it's nationally too yeah like the beefs just fucking exploded the murders went through the roof dude it just oakland was doing like 150 murders which now this year it probably won't even hit 50 which is like insane because now not only are a lot of the beefs kind of dead because who's left to even be involved in them but also like you're really not getting away with shit it's not it's just a matter of time you know there was a guy involved in like uh the san francisco beef um and he thought he got away with the murder and he was smoking on the scene of the murder he was sitting outside somebody's house with a blunt he he ashed the blunt out out of his window and that's how he got caught because they took the DNA from the blunt.

1:06:47But he was already a suspect, so that's why they went. No, he wasn't. They just went, dude, they're not playing anymore. Wow. 2020, they wouldn't have given a shit. That's crazy. You know? But now they're like going for all types of evidence. Like J-Bo, I don't want to talk about that. Actually, let's talk about it. Sure. The gun that he was found with was used in the shooting of Dream Life Rizzy. Yeah. But J-Bo had nothing to do with that. Really? That was just dudes pass around. Yeah. Straps and stuff. But back in the day, like, they weren't serialized. They weren't checking serial. They weren't going to an Arkansas case and Oakland police contacting them with a serial number of the casings that match.

1:07:34Like, they're not playing anymore at all. Yeah. Until, like, the 90s, local police departments weren't, like, working together in any way. So you could be a serial killer killing people all over the place, doing the same exact method to kill people. And they just weren't able to link it together effectively. And now the forensics, the DNA, the everything. A lot of people don't know. Palantir is active. Yeah. Palantir is being used in San Francisco. It's being used in New Orleans. It's being used in New York. Yeah. And it's basically like the databases are being all meshed together on a national basis, like all your info.

1:08:07Yeah. So it's very easy for them now to figure out where you were at a certain time, what you recently purchased on your credit card, shit like that. They can access all your records. So if like, yeah. People hate invasive technology like that. But at the end of the day, what it's going to basically create is a world in which violent crime is almost extinct. Yeah. But on the flip side, it could also create a world where the government is unthrowable. like it's like it can create horrible regimes where humans are scared to speak out against the government because a palantir drone might show up at your door yeah probably the thing that it's a slippery slope i feel like 10 years from now the whole thing that i've heard that they're like working on implementing in chicago and shit is like okay there's a shooting at a random intersection boom the drone gets instantly deployed there and then immediately is able to like sync with the cameras in the neighborhood they're gonna be able to see who the person is that's san francisco they follow you know that kind of shit once like everywhere on earth has cameras once everywhere on earth has technological or a facial recognition technology i mean it's just gonna and people resent that because we all have this assumption that i should be able to drive drunk and if i get pulled over sure if i drive like shit they pull me over sure arrest me give me to do i find but like people like would be horrified by the idea of like everybody having to have a breathalyzer in their car yeah but it's going to get to the point where violent crime is like that where it's like you have no chance of getting away with it and it's gonna produce a safer society but also there's a lot of freedom that we're gonna give up i mean but that's part of being american american is giving up safety for freedom that's always because you always have to give up a certain amount of safety for freedom yeah like even our gun rights yeah well you don't really have them here in california but generally speaking it's like guns do make it more dangerous a lot of people are like oh if we're all strapped it'll be safer you might feel safe no individual i've lived in plenty of open carry states it is way more dangerous than california statistically it's way more likely more likely shootings yeah but it's just the it's just the cost of the freedom to have that like you know yeah because you don't want to be end up like england yeah you know they're going to jail for social media posts yeah if they were armed maybe that wouldn't be so wouldn't happen like that yeah i don't know though that i mean that's a scary scenario it is like what are you going to do with you know the the four handguns that you've been managing to procure when they show up at your house and say hey we're going to arrest you for your facebook post like We're looking at it on an individual level, but on a societal level, I think an armed society is more prone to resistance.

1:10:59Like if you look at Albania in the late 90s, they basically overthrew their government, their communist government. Right. Just an armed civilian. Yeah. You know? I mean, thinking about the fact that we may soon have an America in which it's pretty easy to move around with a gun on you in quite a few states. But then also there's so much security, so many cameras, so much facial recognition technology that you're not going to be able to get away with anything that you do illegally. Like, it's just not going to really be much of a question of if it was self-defense or not, because everything is caught on camera.

1:11:33Yeah. And then all of a sudden it kind of like, like societal be violent, but it's kind of get less violent as a result of all this stuff. Like as a person who used to commit crimes and now doesn't, it just really feels like, I guess I'm not bothered by the idea of everything being captured on camera. Cause I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong. And I want my kids to grow up in a world that has less violent crime. I don't know. I think it's an inherent risk you take when you are American. Yeah. Like I think I don't like the idea of the flat cameras and everything. Um, just because it can, in the wrong hands.

1:12:12could be used for evil. Just feels like there's no way around it. Honestly, American trust in our government right now is probably the lowest it's ever been. That's true, for sure. Trust is low, but then surveillance is getting high. It's bound to cause an issue, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm not going to get too much deeper into it, but when did you first realize that there were people that knew who you were? and how did your identity get leaked out to people in the back? I'm glad you asked that. Because I want to know. The first person to ever know who I was was Da Boy, the S-O-B-R-B-E rapper. How did he know?