The No Jumper Show Ep # 432 w/ Nick Cannon

25:33What did he say? Yeah. What he said pretty much was he was talking to Sean Cotton, the owner of Say Cheese, you know, say big blog. He said, yo, Sean Cotton was big enough San Diego. He's like, it's the best city in California. And Adam said, I agree. It's a beautiful city. But Sean Cotton be signing artists, up and coming artists. He goes, you're not going to find many up and coming artists. It's not a music city. You're not going to find up and coming artists in San Diego. The talent pool is lacking, especially as of late. What do you feel about that? What's your take on that? Is there a thriving music scene in San Diego?

26:05And I assume it's mostly rap and hip hop is what he's referring to. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, like, there always has been. And, like, the thing about Dago is that it's interesting because we're a beautiful mix of the Bay and L.A. Facts. You know what I mean? And also, it's heavy pimping down there. So when you understand a lot of the slang, a lot of the terminology, a lot of the way people move, and it's weird because they even got a strong connection to Atlanta and Texas because it's like it's a military city. So there's just a lot of game down there. and even as somebody who came up in the music scene down there, it's almost like they embrace their own in a way.

26:42Right. And like, shots out to, you know, my guy Mitchie Slick. Mitchie Slick, he was just here the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's like, they thrive off of like the way the Bay thrive. Right. Like, we be having songs and - That independent wave type shit. And getting to it. Right. You know what I mean? Like, really like, almost like they ain't even worried about making it anywhere else because they got a popping scene down there. Now, granted, it is yet to come. Like, you know, by the line, I'm the most famous person to ever come from San Diego. You are. Shout out to Faison. Shout out to Faison.

27:15But it's just honest. But like, and as a person who was, you know, rapping and making music and doing all of that stuff, even since, you know, high school down there, it ain't, there's never been somebody to come and be like, look, we're going to build our scene to be mainstream. It's almost like they never wanted it to be that. Like it's like they just like, look, we make music for us and we good. And, you know, people come and, you know, check in and all that type of stuff. But it's almost like it's a hidden secret. Like people don't even know like Southeast Dago is like just like Compton, just like, you know.

27:47And that's what I was asking Mitchie Slick when he was here the other day. I'm like, why do you think? Because, you know, L.A. has their own sound. The Bay has their own sound. Even Sacramento, Stockton. Why haven't we received a mainstream artist? from Diego. We have a few. One, I would say slick, but also, back in the day, signed to Def Jam had bangers and shots out to J.O. Felony. The loke's on his own. Even for the Mexicans, Lil Rob, you know what I'm saying? That's what I was going to say. First of all, that's where we really got to go. Yeah, Lil Rob. Our Mexican community, just, that music scene is an ill music scene and it's only going to continue to grow.

28:25It's that same type of feeling, though, is like they're kind of in their own bubble. They're killing it, making money, but they're not crossing over into that mainstream culture just like how Bay Area and Sacramento is. So it gets overlooked a lot of the time. I think they ain't really looking to do it because it was never like that wasn't what they was trying to do. Moving through NorCal I'm always asking fools that are you know have success in music. Hey why don't you see these. They're like bro we go to these labels and they try to bullshit us. We making more money on our own. We gonna stay hustling in the streets and just do our own thing then sign and get fucked by the label and do it like that.

28:58I was talking to Wackman and I think that that could be a project that could be unified. Maybe we do like a San Diego Idol. Like we find the hip hop artists in San Diego. Hey, that could be dope. And put them on the map. I feel like we need that. But I think every city gets they shot. Like there wasn't nobody popping from St. Louis before it was Nelly. Wasn't nobody popping from Toronto before it was Drake. And when you become that guy, then you got your city behind you. Yeah, the doors open. And that's the thing too to where you gotta find, like, I feel like Slick probably had it the most. When your city supports you, that's when you actually, that's the makings of a star.

29:38He was the figure for sure. Yeah, yeah, because then you could take it wherever, and that's, if you notice all the people that I even just named and everybody, like, you gotta get hot in your city first. There's no, like, there's no way to have longevity in hip-hop if your city don't support you. And you feel that even today with the internet. Right, 100%. I mean, I don't know. I know it's shaking it up a little bit. But again, I'm talking about becoming a star. You gotta put your city on your back. That's why you gotta give shots out to Drake for him to become as big as he did from a place that we knew nothing from.

30:15So I feel like Dago has that same opportunity. And there's been a couple of cast that was like, oh, okay. For sure. I slapped some little weirdos, little Maru. There's a bunch of dudes I'm slapping from San Diego. And then you get that opportunity like, Like, dang, they put their whole city on their back. City got behind them. And they now have become the icon for that. Exactly. And it's always something new. So that breath of fresh air is kind of what people are looking for to uplift. Because I've done that over the years, too, because, you know, I got a label, had a label. And we signed, shoot, half a dozen people from Dago.

30:49Oh, word. And it's just like, again, before you can go to these majors, before you can sign them, you got to have your city. You got to get them behind you. Because if you got two million people who already know you and rock with you, it's a lot easier to talk to these labels and stuff like that. If that's your – Even the rest of the world, they always see, hey, this guy's already doing numbers. I'm going to jump on the bandwagon. And I want to hear – like, that's the thing. Like, Nelly was like, I want to see what that – Whatever y 'all got. Dirty. When you got your own thing, like Memphis went crazy.

31:24You know what I mean? And everybody was listening to music and all of that. A whole new accent. A whole new vibe. If you could put your city on that way and your culture shines through, then I want to hear about what's popping in Dago. I want to hear about what's popping in Sack. Who's the biggest rapper from Sack? Mozzie, for sure. Oh, absolutely. Even in the 90s, too? Because it was like some - We got Sebo. Sebo. X-Rated. Brother Lynch. But there was more like underground legends, for sure. Omosi's mainstream on the Black Panther. I'll never forget when I went to go watch the Black Panther movie and at the end of it when Sleepwalking came on, my eyes got watery.

32:02That's a nigga from the crib. What the fuck? Where in too deep from? Oh, that's how... For real. I remember too, the rest of the world don't even know the difference between Sac and the Bay. Yeah, Sacramento was the only area. Niggas used to catch fades in Sacramento. You'd be like, I'm from Sacramento. Oh, you from the Bay? not because SAC got gangbangers we're like LA and we were trying to form our own like the Black Panthers wouldn't let the Bay get into the gangbusters we ain't bringing that bullshit out here yeah not facts yeah so all them Bay people stop saying that Sacramento people want to be from the Bay we don't we hate that yeah and then people people think San Diego and San Francisco is close they don't because they don't understand the geography it's a six hour drive they just see the ocean yeah that people hear me like I'm in San Francisco right now I was like, good luck.

32:54I'm in San Diego. You better catch a couple of flights to get here. Because, you know, we don't know. Like, people don't know the difference between, like, when you talk about New York, if you ain't never been there, you don't know how far New York City is from upstate New York. It's the same difference. So, you know, geography lesson here. So, Nick, bro, you've been in this game for a minute, and a lot of people don't really know the trajectory of how long you've been in this game. You used to drive from San Diego to L.A. People don't know. You know who he used to write jokes for? Laffy Taffy.

33:29Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How did you get into Laffy Taffy joke writing? I mean, that's the bad. You know what I mean? That's when you start getting corporate deals and stuff like that. Because I started off as a young kid, Nickelodeon and all that. So things like they wouldn't allow me to do Def Jam and Comic View, But then there would be opportunities that would come my way that I was able to write for Nickelodeon. I was the youngest staff writer in television history and all that stuff. So then I was a teenager and I had, you know, credits as a writer. Right. And so then I can go, you know, obviously I'll get an endorsement deal like with Laffy Taffy, do a commercial.

34:06And you're like, you know what? We need somebody to write the jokes in Laffy Taffy. I'll do it. You know what I mean? So for years you opened up Laffy Taffy. I'm a fat nigga, so I opened up a lot of Laffy Taffys. And it's at the bottom written by Nick Cannon. Yeah. How does that like a pen even come about as a young man like that? Because like people aren't thinking like that. People are writing raps. People aren't writing, hey, I want to write a TV show. I want to write a movie. It started off as like, you know, I would just love to write. Always carry a notebook with me from, you know, writing verses and all that stuff.

34:34And then you got to create your own opportunities. Right. So even in that, like I wasn't nobody looking out and trying to give me no. Who even instilled that type of mindset in you being so young? Just being up here. Yeah. Yeah, just being outside the comedy store, standing in front of the improv. And then you see how other people getting in like, oh, I'm going to just go do that. They ain't got no auditions or roles for me. I'm going to go write me one. You're going to wait to get on the stage and then I'm going to present something unique and funny and different. And then I'm going to go try to talk to this person and try to meet.

35:04And you just get that hustle in you and you create your own opportunity. You start paying. One, I'm already the youngest person out there. So then they're like, well, what you doing? What you got? Well, I just did this. I did this. or I want to come rock with you. And that's usually how it turned out, just the hustle. Was it rocky at first or did you feel like you got the hang of it pretty quickly? I think you got to learn the format and everything. Exactly. The difference between writing a teleplay and a screenplay. Back then, I think there's two different softwares that I was like Final Draft, which I think is still popping.

35:42And how are you learning this information at that time before free internet? It used to come on a floppy disk. You know what I mean? OG shit. Yeah. And you just learn how to structure it and learn how to make it. And then you got to figure out, oh, a three-act structure, a movie, a two-act structure, or a sitcom. You're figuring all of this stuff out by reading and soaking up the game from all of the other people who are writing. And then you just fall in line. Yeah, because I heard you talking about passing up on Crash, which obviously was like a cult classic, great movie to do Love Don't Cost a Thing.

36:13because they gave you kind of more freedom with the writing. I got that and a lot more money. No, yeah, that obviously, yeah. That bag was big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like, high-end size, like, damn, I should have did Crash. But it's like, in that, it really, you know, because I was able to control it, and like I said, I got to flex my pen a little bit more, I feel like I made the right decision in just one, doing a movie that I was starring in, getting paid millions of dollars. And was that the biggest? I wrote it. And you've passed on different things, like ATL, different things. Is there any project that you passed on that you was just like, ah.

36:47Let's say other than ATL. Other than ATL. Is there anything that you passed on that was like, I wish I would have did that one? It's a couple of them. Nothing really like, stop the yard, but that was presented to me right after the success of Drumline. That would have just looked like Drumline 2. Second semester, I put the drums down and start stepping. you know those sticks it's just steps yeah so uh you know great movie but it was like dang maybe i probably should have did that you know what i mean but you know it's it's always because it's such a small community and when you that guy all of those scripts come across your desk and you're like maybe maybe not and then so it's a lot of stuff it's a lot of stuff that just didn't hit either that i passed on like oh i'm glad i got let me let me ask you this question I passed on Soul Plane You said you glad?

37:41Yes That movie was not a success It wasn't successful but we love it now Kev was like this and then he did Soul Plane and then he had to build it back up They didn't want to touch Kev I didn't know that You had to be there because first of all what happened with Soul Plane is like six months before the movie was supposed to come out they bootlegged it. It was one of the most bootlegged moves. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. It was everywhere. So it came a hood classic. Yeah, right. But so when it came out, it opened up to like$3. And it like, like in that, it just, and it probably was, if they, if it wouldn't have been bootlegged, then it probably would have did a lot better.

38:23And when you sit home and watch it, you hide. It's like everybody already seen it. It's a hell of a bunny. But you've already seen it, so you're not going to the movies. And then these numbers, and that's, that builds your reputation in this game. Yeah. Especially back then. It's different now. back then. And you trying to be a movie star and your movie opened at$3.50? It's like, oh, you ain't got it. You ain't got the juice then. Yeah, you'll never, and that was, you know, I mean, that's why I salute Kev to what it was, because we, you know, that's my brother, so when I thought, I was like, oh, dang, he took your shot.

38:54He swung for the fences. Even higher, man. That shows who he is. His resilience. Let me ask you this, because we've had conversations offline before, so what was it after the success of drumline and all that and then you put your own money to fund the pilot for wilding out what was your thought process when you did that man i just wanted to get my friends jobs i wanted to get kev out the hole of that soul plan because that's what it was man like mtv gave me a deal because you know back then i was hosting like all the spring break stuff and trl right and they were like man we like you we you know you really still buy a compare mile family because you came from nickelodeon so you kind of graduated to mtv so they gave me what they call a holding deal like yo you can develop and create whatever you want and they was trying to get me to create you know like the next version of punk for you know for black people okay you know what i mean like prank yeah yeah or even like because that was what was popping me right and i was like now i want to do something in the space where like what i am like a comedian and hip-hop and bring those two worlds together and like do like some like improv stuff and they just didn't understand it so i was like all right y 'all understand i'll take this little bread that i got and show y 'all you know rented some cameras rented out you know the comedy union on pico invited everybody out from you know kev to you know cat yeah i mean and they pulled up for it and then they we filmed it edited it and then they saw it like oh we get it now i was like well damn it i own it so y 'all gotta break You took like inspiration from because we saw like the SNLs, which are skit shows, which is different than what Wild and Out is.

40:30I definitely took inspiration from like there were shows back in the day. Like Living Color. Yeah, that was like Uptown Comedy Club. It was a real club that was in New York where a lot of that's where Def Jam got its inspiration from. And a lot of people that are legends now, like, you know, Tracy Morgan was on. Flex Alexander, Jim Brewer, like all of these people. and it was a real club in Harlem that they would literally, you go, sometimes they do standup, but you would go there to see them do improv and sketch, and it was just, it was raw. So I got inspired by that. Obviously, In Living Color, obviously Def Jam.

41:07And then you even got to, like, whose line is it anyway? You know what I mean? How they was killing it. No, they was killing it. What part of it was that made you infuse the hip-hop part of it, like the rap battle? Because we was all doing the same thing. And I don't even, that, to think about it, Cause even if you think about Wild N Out inspired a lot and a lot of those cats tell me like inspired that visual battle rap and the real freestyling, you know, mixed with the preparation stuff. Because before that, like before smacking all that, it was us. Our stuff was, it was, you know, on impromptu, but that, and I got to give props to the lyricist lounge too.

41:48Cause the lyricist lounge was on MTV before Wild N Out. And it, you know, shouts out to Def Jeff and all of them. Because what they would do, they would write these hip hop musical, like, scenes and scenarios. And, like, if you look it up, you know, all the youngsters out there, like, Lyricist Lounge was just like, it wasn't a hit. But the culture rock was all about storytelling right there on the spot. So I was like, ooh, if we did something like that, but it was more about battling and capping and roasting on each other. I was like that's gonna go crazy because Lyricist Lounge would like literally rap and do a whole story and then it'd be like a scene and it'd be kind of funny it'd be a punchline at the end but when we did it we was like yo we gonna do this on some like battle rap stuff and back cause even you know back then battle rap was like something we used to do at lunch time at the school and like you had yo joint prepared and then some people would have that gift to be able to freestyle while you spitting yo written and then I think the world once the battle rap arenas and the scenes kind of got caught up.

42:53They always say like, yo, that stuff was inspired by the early days of Wild and Out. Yeah, I feel like it was ahead of its time, but I feel like it stood the test of time because bro, you coming up on your 23rd summer with this shit. Like that's crazy. Like it's like when you talk about long running TV shows, like we don't see a run like this. You know what I'm saying? So bro's a living legend. And now to get into the spacing of like the streaming and the streamers and to be doing a Netflix is a joke. and all that. It's like, it's going to a different space because we've just been able to adapt and navigate as television has changed.

43:31So talk to me a little bit about, because the tour is kicking off on May 9th, this Saturday. Yeah, Netflix is a joke. So tell me a little bit about the pivot that you're doing now with what Wild N' Out used to be to what the new season is going to be and what they can look forward to. Well, it was dope. We elevated the brand when we started taking it on tour, selling out arenas. And it's like, the TV show is cool, but when you go to one of them arena shows, it's lit. Your favorite rappers is there, you know, performing. It feel like on some festival type stuff. You know what I mean? It feels larger than life.

44:04It feel like you're going to WWE. Like when you see 10 ,000 to 15 ,000 people in there all with Wild N Out shirts on, I was like, that's now what I believe I want to show to the television. I want to show that to the world. So now we're filming the tour as episodes. So we come into your city looking for new Wild N' Out stars. Newest person, right. And it's going to be Wild N' Out versus St. Louis. Wild N' Out versus Chicago. Wild N' Out versus Brooklyn. Wild N' Out versus. So now we're giving people the opportunity in a real way to where when Doughboy had to come to an audition and sneak in and all that stuff to get his shot.

44:39Now we come into your city and we looking for you. Yeah. And you're going to be in front of 10, 15 ,000 people because you're going to battle the Wild N' Out legends. Fact. So in that, even with, you know, kind of gives you that same energy of like a Kill Tony or even when, you know, you go to see, you know, the Kings of Comedy where it's like, yo, that joint is in an arena. Right. But that's the episode that you see. So now every episode you're going to see is going to be an episode in your city live. And even like on a smaller scale, Doughboy won the No Jumper Host competition. I did. We did a live stream and did that.

45:10Yeah, I saw that. That's how I got it. That's true. You killed that. We take it from the bottom. They didn't even know who you was. Hey, I beat it. I came and earned my cleats. I didn't want no favors. I didn't want to get walked in. You didn't hold up the Wildin' Out tattoos? None of that. So let me ask you about that. He flashed it a little bit. He was trying to like slick with it. So let me ask you about that because I think to this day I'm the only person that has a Wildin' Out tattoo. Do you got a Wildin' Out tattoo? You don't even have a Wildin' Out tattoo. And Adam don't got a no jumper.

45:36I got some Wildin' Out girl tattoos. Oh, yeah. You got a few of them tattoos. Let me ask you this. what did you feel when you see me on Instagram flashing a while did you think I was crazy or were you just like he's committed I thought it was dope you know who also has one Niall has one he does yeah I think about the same size as yours too our showrunner so shout out Niall yeah yeah so I mean and then a lot of like a lot of the crew and stuff got one and yeah I mean now you were the first but it's definitely some you know I got the no jumper tattoo yeah what do you think of the no jumper cause he was on Wild and Out I think a lot longer than he was on No Jumper before he got the tattoo.

46:13He was about two weeks in. But it's all about manifest. I'm asking Nick right now. I think it's dope. One, just because I see now when we go to the shows, people got wilding out tattoos all the time. And they ain't never been on the show. Yeah, it's just because they rock with it. It's the culture. So No Jumper is the culture. So it's like, I'm pretty sure he ain't the only one with it. And the fact that he can really be like, yo, I was a part of this. I was just a part of my lineage. I got freaking ET tattoos. I got freaking Nintendo tattoos, WWE. And that's all the culture. That's all the stuff about Rock with it.

46:41you because I really used to watch the show in my house in Greenhaven in Sacramento where my daughter was in a bouncy chair and now she's a junior at Howard and so like I used to just watch that shit I was like I'm gonna do this and then when I was going through my own mental health challenges and like no jumping was the shit that connected with me I'm like I'm gonna get on that and as soon as I got on it it gotta get on my body yeah I heard you talking about uh when you did the movie uh drumline that it gave you that appreciation for like the hbcus or just a different type of vibe once you did that movie i mean that's what it was like before drumline um honestly shoot what was it a different world was probably the the most portrayed hbcu experience of black college experience filming yeah yeah and then and so and it the numbers actually express it that once Drumline came out, the enrollment for historically black colleges and universities skyrocketed.

47:39So it's like, it's, it really, you know, now I'm a staple in the HBCU community figuring from Drumline and everybody wanting to, ain't no Atlanta A &T. That's not a real way. There's North Carolina A &T and there's, you know, there's mad, uh, colleges in the A &T. Might see one in the future. And then, you know, for me even going and, you know, going to Howard and graduating with, you know, my degree in criminology, it was like that I've, I've kind of like become, you know, part of the, the Mecca of what HBCUs mean to our community. Like a figure out there. Yeah. Yeah. So I appreciate it. And you know, education is something I've always been an advocate for.

48:20So absolutely. Locked in. I know you was getting a lot of flack for the interview you did with Amber not too long ago. Not just to, you know, because I'm a political debater sometimes. You know what I'm saying? I be getting into debates. I'm not trying to hold you to the fire or anything. No, no. But what was your perspective on that backlash and everything you faced because of that? You know what I'm saying? I see you got a lot of flack. Yeah, that ain't, I mean, I get a lot of flack for everything. I just got a lot of flack for saying I don't want my daughter out here dating. I wanted to talk to you about that.

48:48So you said, I said, before we get into it, I said, I do this. Like, I've been canceled a thousand times and people mad. But it's like, when people know your heart, they know what it is. It's like, shout out to Amber. That's my friend. Been my friend for years. So it's like, we're going to have conversation even when we don't see eye to eye. And you don't be like, I don't agree there. But then we're like, let's find some common ground. It's a conversation. I've also interviewed Candace Owens. I interviewed Dr. Omar. Yeah, I was just watching that too. I interviewed people from the extreme right and the left.

49:17So it's like, that doesn't bother me. And then the next week I was going viral for talking about something about the Bible. like it's like every week is something that they catch me on either my own platform or one of these platforms right so i'm gonna say something tonight or people have to be upset why did that one in particular get deleted because i couldn't find that one well i mean if we're being honest amber wanted me to take it okay like because she was she was getting a lot of flags but one it was old content oh so she's like i don't even remember what i said or what it was and so she and the political landscape is different yeah it was completely different so i was like so i did that for her.

49:51I wanted to ask you about that question and I might call my daughter to even reference her on this point. He got smoked with you on this one. You said that you wouldn't let your daughter go on a date but you would encourage your son. Absolutely. Dog, first of all. Okay, let's have a conversation. You're a fucker, right? I'm a girl dad. Have you ever had to smack the shit out of somebody for getting too close to your child? Damn near. I have, yeah. but your daughter it was all and it still is I feel this way it's about safety it's all about safety I'm not worried about my son at a party and he gonna hold his own we I taught him to fight we like if you see a group of girls at a party and dude trying to get yeah let me get your number why you acting like that right it's dudes out there to this day if a girl says no I'm not giving you my information they will punch her they will attack them yeah We see that all the time.

50:52That's the problems I have. I'm not thinking about, I want my daughter to be happy, live your life, do whatever you want to do. I'm thinking about the safety of my child. I don't want her alone with no other teenage boy. I don't. My son, I've raised him as a man to be always respectful. Right. Treat women with kindness and grace and patience and all of that stuff. I can't, no matter what I teach my daughter, I can't control them little niggas on how they act and who train them. But what if you meet them first and they're kind of. No. This is the inverse of this. So I dealt with this when my daughter was a junior in high school.

51:26She had a boyfriend. He was a senior. He was falling out. He was falling out with his parents, right? Uh-huh. He came to stay with you? These are all red flags. I let him come stay with me. Wow. I let him come stay with me. And I trusted my daughter enough because I trust my daughter. Okay. And so that's why when you had that. But we trust our daughters. Right. I don't trust the little niggas around my house. I had that conversation with him. Like, hey, nigga. But at the same time, I was like, this is a young man. He's a little misguided. Hey, you can come live here. And I let him say. I mean, that's kind of you.

52:00And I'm like, he's under your roof. He got to live by your roof. And I had the real conversation with him. But it was just interesting to hear your view on it about the difference between boys and girls. It's the truth. Yeah, there is a double standard. People get mad at me. I have no problem with it being a double standard. Life is a – you know, how many women are on the front line of the military? Yeah. Or going to get drafted. You know what I'm saying? That's true. There's a reason for that. Right. There's a reason why men don't box women. Yes. True. Yeah. This is – There's a reason why there's an NBA and a WNBA.

52:39And nobody be going to them games. Basketball is a double standard for a reason. They need to lower them rims. Let them women duck. That's nice. Let women duck. Men are stronger than women. So in a fight or in safety. It's going to get bad. Right. I get that. If there's a young dude that wants to do something with my daughter, it's like, it don't matter how much karate I teach her. Right. So let me ask you this. You have a myriad of children. Yes. So if, let's just say, one of your daughters comes and says, hey, dad, my boyfriend, he's fallen out of good graces with his parents. Can he come live with us?

53:14Would you allow that? Oh. Under your roof. Okay, let me ask you this. Because you did this. I did it. I lived it. Would you ever think like when they were at home alone? They was getting it cracking. Let's be honest though, boy. We all been 17 before. I trust my daughter. That don't matter about your daughter. Your daughter is in love with this little boy. She is in love with him. And I did let him stay with us. but you've been 16. I have been 16, but he was older. You know how much influence he had over your daughter, but I just don't want to do what you do outside of my house. So you wouldn't let him stay with you because that's now you disrespecting my house.

54:02And I told them that don't you ever play with me. I told them like, and you think they listened to me? I want to believe when he was around, they listened for show. No boy. They was in there. It was getting cracking. But would you but would you let another young man come live under your roof? I wouldn't want to. I mean, OK, I, you know, not to flex, but I'd be quicker to go get it. I'm gonna go get you a little apartment. I'll pay that. I'll get the little nigga apartment. You ain't going to live in my house and try to sneak off and do something with my daughter. I allowed it. I guess we're talking about like worst case scenarios, like a dude beating on your daughter.

54:41But then look at the inverse. Your son, crazy chicken, ruined your life, send you to jail, ruined your whole trajectory. No, because I raised my son correctly. But I feel like you raised your daughter correctly, too. But she's not in control in a situation like that. I'm talking only safety. But think of a girl grabbing a knife on your son. You know what I'm saying? He better grab that knife from that girl. We'll flip it on the inverse. That's what I'm saying. Worst case, I can see you. That's the thing. like there's going to be a lot of steps before my son gets into a confrontation with the woman.

55:13Right. Off the rip of nice meeting you, my daughter doesn't respond the way that he wants. It's a problem. It could be a random dude. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. On the inverse. So you would not let a dude come live with your daughter. But if your son came and he said, hey, my girl. That's different. Would you let her live it? Yeah, because I don't. Yeah, let's go. You're a walking contradiction. It's a double standard. Nicholas, you're a walking contradiction. What do people not understand? It's different because I'm going to have this conversation with my son. Right. Hey, Lonnie, don't be.

55:46This is somebody's daughter. She's a minor in my house. I'm. Right. Ain't none of that going on. None of that. Right. So you're going to have that conversation with me. And my son is going to listen to me because he listens to me because that's my son. So you will let the girl stay there but not the guy. Yes, because I don't know this little nigga. You don't know. I don't. I'm not caring. That girl ain't going to do nothing in my house. okay, this dude, we might steal some shit. Sneak his homies in. I'm talking about, I know how I raise my children and it doesn't matter when you raise a daughter, you worried about every little nigga outside.

56:21When you raise a son, all I got to do is worry about this nigga right here and he's going to listen to me because this is my son. Ooh, okay. That's not my son. You didn't raise this other nigga so I don't know this nigga. I tell this to my daughter. You setting me up for failure. Because if he does anything to you. It's all going bad. I'm going to turn all the tables up. I told my daughter. The bail money is already set to the side. If a nigga plays. So you put me in a bad position. Don't do this to your father. Yeah. Exactly. So that like. It's simple as that. Like even when stuff goes down now.

56:54I tell my son like. Please handle it before you bring it to me. Right. Because you get into a fight with her boyfriend. You know that's two people. Two niggas handling their issues. But if a nigga put his hands on my daughter, everybody getting shot. Man, and I don't even want to be in that scenario. So I was like, just avoid it altogether. Don't do this for us. Like, just make it to college. I know you're going to do your thing. So 18, they free. I have no more control. I'm giving you all I can give you. Yeah. How old is your oldest? 15. They're both 15. So they get into that age. Yeah. I mean, these are real conversations with me.

57:28I don't care what people say on that. Like, this is my, I'm having this conversation daily. You got to actually live this. Yeah. Like, but, you know, right now, you know. Side note, before we pivot to the next thing, side note, I don't know if you know this, Nick, but because that man, so there's another personality here at No Jumper. Another personality? Yeah, his name is Spody Face. Oh, okay. He's a Fody Crip. Okay. He called me the Igabu word. Oh, okay. And then my daughter called me and I seen the look on her face. Okay. So I've called him out to a phase. So on August 28th, we're boxing. Don't do that, Tay.

58:05Don't do that, Tay. I ain't no big, soft nigga. Wait, because he called you a name? Yes. But he wasn't mad at the time. I wasn't mad at the time. Like a day or two later, the clip's going crazy. Because my daughter is super pro-black. She told me she wanted to go to Howard when she was five. And when I seen the look on her face, I said, I'm going to punch him in his face, baby. And she was like, no, Dad, debate him in words. Fuck that. I want to fight. so I want to know wow do you know who Sportyface is uh yeah he's a big guy that's him my friend who you putting your money on man you gotta put your money on somebody man cause we gonna fight three rounds both y 'all we're both in our 40s he's about 50 pounds lighter than me but I'm gonna come down and wait so I can punch on him about 7 years younger he's support the nigga you discovered be on my side we need the honest prediction here for the odds he's a rolling 40 quick he got when's the last time you had a fight when I was 19.

59:00A long time ago. When I was 19. But I spar a lot. I see you. I spar. You be in the gym. I have sparred, but the last time I was in a street fight, 19. Is this in a ring? We're going to be in the ring. In the ring. And he just came home not too long ago. So have you, you can go three rounds? Yes. Three minute rounds. That's what it's supposed to be. No, it's three two minute rounds. Oh, two minutes. Okay. What do you think, man? Who are you putting your money on? It's all about stamina at this point. It's all about wins. That's what I'm worried about. But you know what's crazy? I'm much bigger.

59:31Okay, he's a little bit taller than me, but I'm bigger than him. When's the last time you threw a real punch, though, boy? A couple of weeks ago. I throw these shits. Like, I'm not no bitch. He ain't always holding that vape. I'm not ready to go. I'm really getting it. So that's why I can't. Clearly, he's had altercations. I believe so. In a correctional facility. But you know how them jail fights go. But that's what I'm saying. You a different type of monster. Like he got a fire In his eyes that you don't possess Yeah the instincts the reaction He's not a possessor You just look me right and right and right You're a great guy You look at his eyes and you look at your eyes He has seen some shit you ain't seen It's definitely a different look So you going with him?

1:00:14On the early On the early I'm going with him Damn Nick I thought he was going back But for the distance I think you might be able to wear him down I just hate the fact that I'm bigger than this nigga and niggas is acting like I'm the Vic the size ain't got nothing to do you know how many I don't have to call you out take over there take in the background don't do it it's a certain build where you know a nigga can scrap yeah for sure August 28th keep your schedule clear I don't want to tell you this. I don't want to tell you this. And we in our 40s. Why are we fighting like that? When you see middle-aged men fight, you just know an injury.

1:01:07You're waiting on an injury. I see two niggas get raided. They was going to just do a race. A nigga tried to race and popped his Achilles. I've seen that. That's what I'm saying. Okay, it sounds like at least you train. I'm training. And I got three months. You need to try to lose like 60 pounds by this. Yeah, and I'm going to punch on that nigga. You got to come out. You got to walk out on the walkout with me. I got this shit tied. You got to bring me in the loser. You got to want something, Nick. No, he really set you up for failure. Because Nick can fight too. Nick know how to box. I'm going to box three times a week.

1:01:43But that's also, I know the difference between like, a street fight and a boxing match. He might be good in the street fights and then penitentiary, fisticuffs, but in a ring. Bottom line is, if you know how to fight or not, that's what we're doing. Can you throw a punch? Can you take one? I know he's 5 '2 and will knock a 6 '5 out. Right. I know skinny dudes that'll catch a fade and just got hands. I know a gang of big dudes that can't fight. Yeah, there'd be some big sloppy niggas that don't know how to move around. You know, we done seen them. You know what I mean? They don't know how to throw a punch.

1:02:19And it's like, so size ain't got nothing to do with it. Like, if you know how to fight, you're going to get to it. Think about all of the cats that fight MMA and UFC. They're made big dudes. Yeah. Some of them fought to 120 pounds. Look at Floyd Mayweather. You saw somebody, Floyd Mayweather, size walking. You're like, I'm not kidding. Floyd Mayweather. Knock your ass out. Knock your ass out. With a Philly shell on you. Yeah, you know what I mean? So do you know how to fight is the question. I do. And you know, because you're a father, you're a girl dad. So just imagine. But that's what pushed you just because your daughter?

1:02:50I think also even me and Do have been guilty of this. No jumper has a certain energy when you get here. So let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. It's definitely like you want to build up. We see everybody going viral. The crazy moments. It's like the culture of the platform. So sometimes you get tied up in the, you know. And let me ask you this, man. All the bullshit. So when a new cat comes to wilding out and he's trying to earn his cleats, like, have you ever seen somebody do a little bit too much and play they self-opposition? Always. Like, you get one episode. I didn't see them putting niggas on the planet.

1:03:22I ain't going to call nobody's name out. But those are for the dudes that you get out of there. Are there any that you pull to the side like, hey, let me just give you a piece of advice. We want everybody to win. And usually it's the antics that happen off the stage. Because really, honestly, you can do whatever you want. Right. If you got the confidence and you know, it's people, but it's like how you carry yourself when one, this is just how this industry works. When you, that and just even just being out of pocket, doing too much. Right. You be like, yeah, he funny, but he ain't, he ain't built a TV.

1:03:52Right. Shut up. You know what I mean? So it's just really controlling how you move and how bad you want it and being, this is a business. You got to be professional. so we've probably sent people home where they no longer on the show because of something that happened off the stage on the stage especially if it's funny but even like some people are just great at failing there's people that's been successful on Wild N Out because they never get a joke off I'm one of the ones I wasn't killing it so I'll never forget my first episode on Wild N Out shout out to Niall Evans I came out there and the nigga hit me with a joke and it just looked like it hurt me.

1:04:32He stopped everything. He was like, he pulled me to the side. He was like, no, you can't do this. If you look like you're not having fun. You roll with the punches. And so I learned. So talk to me about that. Talk to me about, because what I learned on Wildin' Out is everybody can't get a bell. Somebody got to get a buzzer. Fell big. So tell me about failing forward and being able to be a part of the joke and how you've mastered that. I mean, that's what comedy is all about. Like, if you see me, like, I don't, you know, I ain't got no kind of tissue paper feelings. Like, you can't hurt my feelings.

1:05:00so that I use that to allow the team captains and the guests to get comfortable I was like yo hit me say this about me and like it's about set up punchline it's when you're doing that you could be the straight man or you could be the fun like I have no problem being the butt of the joke and then there's some people that just that is like oh I'm a fail big that's my thing when you go up there and you bomb it's still funny it's still funny the buzzers is funnier than the bells nah facts for sure. Sometimes you got to be ready for that. And that's what I kind of learned in Wild and Out. And I kind of took that to all death the same way.

1:05:35Like, be a part of the joke. It's not like I remember the coldest shit a chick ever said to me one time, but it resonated with me. I was like, we had got into it. We was playing a space game. And she was like, Doughboy, you ain't a comedian, nigga. You're a joke. And when she said that, it hurt. But then I was just like, I was just like, but there was something in there. Like, sometimes you got to be able to be a part of the joke. I hope you never talk to her again. That's going to be the name of my first comedy special when I do it. But you have to be able to be a part of the joke. Don't take yourself so – When I used to see Nick, I'm like, Nick is richer than all of us.

1:06:12This is his show. And niggas is hitting him with the most joke. And he's laughing harder than anyone. And that's what I learned from him. That's a part of the game too. You know what I'm saying? You can't just be the nigga that gets it off all the time. Sometimes you got to be able to take one. no facts exactly exactly up here we got like a kind of like there's been a bunch of different casts have been at no jumper throughout the ages and people like to say oh this was the golden era this was the golden era for wild and out what would you say is like your golden era maybe your pick or and then like the fans pick you know saying type of vibes like i mean i'm always go og you know what i mean i gotta go genesis of it yeah the cat williams the kevin hearts like when And we was, and you know, I was the youngest dude on the set.

1:06:57You know what I mean? Like now I'm like. And it was your shit. You OG status. Yeah. So, I mean, I love everything that's come after, but like the origins. The origins. And then, you know, the ones that came out of that. Right. You know, I still think it's everybody going to continue to just. Nah, facts. Thrive and elevate. But like, it ain't nothing like how we was doing in early 2000s. Nah. For sure. Before there was a YouTube. One of the things I've always looked up to, Nick, you kind of roll with the same team forever. Talk to me a little bit about how you keep the same people, like the Tay's, the Chucks, the Michaels.

1:07:35He's only had one manager this whole time. Something like that, Adam Sandler kind of vibes, you know what I'm saying? Like your squad. In a Hollywood environment where people always go their separate ways, how have you been able to keep the same team intact this whole time? I mean, shoot. I think you just built it like that. Loyalty means a lot to me being solid. You know what I mean? Rocking with who you came to the party with. That's who you want to celebrate with. I mean, that's kind of my vibe. You know what I mean? Even outside, I'm solid, and I want to see the people that rock with me. I want to see them elevate.

1:08:13Right. You know what I mean? That's even wilding out or anything like that. So that's really where it just comes from. I'm like, I don't like being around strangers. Right. You know what I mean? Especially like because we make money together. I don't like. It's that comfort factor. Yeah, I'd rather be around some people I know and be broke. Nah, fast. You know what I mean? Like just, I don't want to be in a room, look around. I don't know nobody. Like I'm in the wrong room. I was just thinking about that recently. Like, bro, our relationship has spanned like 15 years now. You put me back on this shit back in 2011, top of 2012.

1:08:43I'm just like, bro, like I was just having a conversation with him the other day. And I was just like, and when I got off the phone, I think it's, I think you're to me what Will Smith is to you. Because you were a really big fan of Will Smith. And like, I got off the phone, like we talked like last Sunday for like 30 minutes. And I got off the phone, like I just got off the phone with my idol. Like, like speak to that a little bit. Like, like being able to like look up to somebody, but then be able to work with them. Like how, like, how is that like kind of translated with you in the game? I mean, back then, it's like whether it was Will, Jamie Foxx, like all of them people just they saw a young dude that was hungry.

1:09:19Right. And I was, you know, I was driving back to Dago trying. I mean, I was just at Jamie Foxx. I was like, no, you wasn't. But so to be able to to actually now pay it forward and give to others and create those opportunities. I know exactly what that felt like. You know what I mean? I feel like it's my duty. Too much is giving. You know how important it is to these dudes coming up. Because you had a pretty close relationship with Kenan Thompson coming up again. That's my brother. Right. And you was coming up. But see, you always. I slept on his couch when he saw me sleeping in the car. And he was like, man, you got a whole situation up here.

1:09:54And you always knew how to play your position because you were like the opener back then. It was a warm up. Yeah, it was a warm up in the audience for Kenan and Kel and all that. Right. And then I started writing. Then I started writing episodes of Kenan and Kel and all that. And then I became. Right. And let me ask you this. I ain't got a lot. I got to put my kids to bed. Okay. We're going to get to. I'm hoping Adam comes in here, but I think he got to go. Adam. Adam busy. The kid got a ear infection. No, but we daddies. We got stuff to do. No, for sure. Last one. Are we still going to get the Dr.

1:10:29Sebi documentary? Absolutely. I mean, that's a lot of my homies. When I was asking, what should I ask Nick? The main question was, are we getting the Dr. Sebi documentary? Maybe all in my comments, but like, man, that's it's so that's so complex we've been we've been filming probably got like five years of footies we don't went to all shores africa talk to family from from nip family because nip wanted to do it this was a passion project it's his of his and then even dr sabi and all his feel like dr sabi got like 30 kids yeah like still pushing that message yeah so it's like just making sure because you don't want to put no lies out there when you're dealing with big pharma and you're dealing with, you know, holistic values and stuff.

1:11:07You just want to do it right. And there's a lot of legalities that go with that. And you also have to have a platform that is willing to take that on with you. You can't just throw that up on YouTube. There's a bunch of documented on YouTube. There's going to be people trying to bury that. Yeah, we're trying to make an award-winning, truthful, honest, you know, portrayal of who this amazing man was. Facts. I'm glad you asked that, though. But before we get out of here, so we got the show coming up on Saturday. What can people expect when they come out to the Wild N' Out show and that experience in their face?

1:11:36Tell them. And he specially requested we're going to have some special pop outs from the No Jumper universe. I'm not going to spoil it. It's going to be great. What can people expect when they come out for the live show and that experience? I mean, really giving it to them in a way to where it's never been done before. It's Wild N' Out for this generation. So everybody who loved what they loved, favorite games, favorite, you know, comics and all that, we're going to be up in there doing that. But then at the same time, it's going to be a lot of new stuff and that new energy that the live shows give you that when you go see one of the Marina shows.

1:12:05And it's Netflix is a joke. Yeah. Netflix is a joke. I'm a full love for sure. And thank you. I wanted to thank you for moving things around in your schedule, man. It made me feel real special in my heart, man. I'm a full love. Oh, God. Because we was like, man, Doughboy ain't getting Nick Cannon. I was like, I got Nick. And then I was like, we got to move the time. And then he was just like, I think we can make that happen. So thank you. I know you're a busy man. My brother, Nick Cannon. My guy is my screen. Moose Man, Monday show. Adam is over there, and he got to go deal with his kids so that we'll get y 'all next week.

1:12:34Thank you for pulling up, Nick. We'll see y 'all next week.