Top Rank Demon on Being a Norteño, Beef with Southsiders, Being White & More

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1:19Nah, I ain't gonna lie, bro. It's kind of regular. I just be, I mean, just move. I go where the money goes. Not nothing. Okay. So how often do you come out here? like shit whenever whenever it's necessary you know like i don't be like looking like to go to la it's cool though baby it'd be hella player out here though so it's like keep you know me keep all supply shit like i'm not gonna let them stop me from that okay what kind of business would you have down here on average just music shit studio shit like you know i mean i fuck with some people out here and shit so it's like okay we can get into all that you want to introduce your boy here yeah it's my nigga attract money and shit it's my little man right here okay so so okay you're you're actually from washington state can you tell us a little bit about where you're from and everything yeah i'm from washington state moses lay like yakima all that like i don't know if you guys heard about it like you know i mean we've been popping out there making some motion making some moves for surely um and then uh but yeah i'll be sliding out here it's a nor Cal is fucking with everybody, you know what I mean?

2:21Down here in L.A. too. It's cool down here. So where you're from, how far is it from, like, Seattle, just for a reference point? From Seattle. Seattle is, like, three hours, four hours. Okay. We're, like, two hours from Yakima. So it's, like, Yakima be in the middle, Seattle over here. Okay. And it's, like, you know, so the west to the east. We're, like, in the middle, like, the central, east 509. Okay. And then how far is that from NorCal? From NorCal, well, specifically, like, Sac or Sanjo. It'd be like 12 hours From LA It's like 18 hours If you drive Or if you fly It's like way less So what's it like In Yakima?

2:57Like I don't know bro It's just like It's just like The same old shit Like everywhere You know what I mean You got the trenches You know what I mean It gets funky You know what I mean Type shit Is it like a real small Town type vibe? It's like To be honest I feel like Yakima Like traveling around What it reminds me of It reminds me of like a Like a But if you in the trenches in Northern Cali, it's kind of like the same vibe, like the same things going on, the same culture, the same people, the same way people talk. It's kind of like the same, basically. Definitely. Yeah. Because I think to a lot of people, anything that's going on above the Bay Area is kind of like a mystery to a lot of people.

3:40Foreign. Yeah. So what was your actual upbringing like? Do you have both parents? I got a dad and a stepmom. My mom fucking she's like it's like it's complicated, you know, like she went to prison when I was young. So I don't really know her like that. Okay. So your mom and your dad, they were never like married or super, super close together. My mom and my dad were never married. They were just like kind of like a high school fling. Like, you know, like kind of like a little thing. And then again, I mean, she happened. Yeah, I am. What'd she go to prison for? You D &D that? Sorry. What'd you go to prison for?

4:16I really don't want to get into too many specifics But like it was an assault deadly weapon Whoa Okay What about your dad? What kind of guy is he? He's cool For sure Like always just like hella tough on me growing up But like that's what made me like to the man I am today for sure Just hella cool I grew up with my grandma mostly I would say like she kind of like raised me When my dad was out like you know chasing chicken and shit Like getting money getting the money right and then then I was kind of just like locked up and got through all that shit and like through whatever else so your dad was kind of a street dude more or less my dad is like nah I wouldn't say he's like a street dude he's like more just like a construction worker you know just like a normal person you know type shit but did he have times in his life where he was running around getting into trouble and stuff or not like yeah yeah for sure like yeah for sure like getting locked up and shit like that but like not never like no never like gang banging and shit like that like going out like that so you did you see a lot of uh you know wild stuff uh when you were younger like you're talking about your mom going to prison and your dad kind of getting into some type of shit like do you have memories of just seeing wild shit going on early on well that's like that's all like when i was like hella young like whenever so i really don't remember that okay but i would say like yeah like just like obviously like growing up like going through different shits like we all got a hell of stories you know type shit uh but like like that that part specifically i was hella young bro yeah okay and uh so at what point do you start getting kind of exposed to the gang shit like is that like a a real thing out where you're from is that just kind of in your face from a young age in washington i would say i don't want to you know but like washington yeah it's popping so and then i would say like around the time i was like 14 and shit you know i mean and and then uh i mean started getting locked up getting into more like trouble like to the point where i was getting locked up and then just you know i mean started my path and shit what kind of stuff you were getting locked up for back then i think my first charge my first charge was just like some drinking and driving i was like drinking and driving and i crashed and then some people got hurt so i got to count to be hickler so it's like my first thing and like so it kind of started me up but once you get in the system you know like you're just through it like you're going through it like there's no you know i mean it's just like a loop right so you just kept violating your yeah like they're there's beyond me and then and then fucking like so little probation things and then fucking uh whatever i gotta assault one uh i saw deadly weapon and i went fucking to the juvenile prison for like four years or three years and then if i went to the pan for a year after that because i got charged while i was in there okay is that when you really started to get exposed to the gangs and shit uh i would say like just like being out there like you know and then for surely but then like going in and out for sure it's just like when you're going in and out like i wouldn't say institutionalized the hell of young but it's kind of like that because then you're just like i don't know like the things that you look forward to is different for sure like when you're you know yeah definitely so that time being locked up that was like what was the culture of it like was there a lot of fighting and a lot of like like a lot of people go into that environment and just get put on to hella game and just like learn what's going on it's well it depends like what you're talking about bro like well because when i when i first started getting locked up i was young so like the juvenile it was different like where i was at and the juvenile uh it's called martin hall and it has like a like an ad saying like part and that's that's where i was most of the time like you get in a fight for anything like you'll go in there and that's how you get out and you come back in and they already have you like listed as that shit they'll throw you right in there and it's like two cells in the middle of like another cell and like a bigger cell that has like a little table and a shower in there it's like when we would come out most of the time like we would come out on a security program it was called and so you come out in handcuffs so handcuff you out you'll take a shower in handcuffs and all that like hella out of pocket so you handcuffed in the front yeah i can imagine that's gonna be a pretty terrible shower nah yeah well that so that's what it's supposed to be that's what the program is like but a lot of the sales was like like that's fucked up like we're gonna do that to you okay you know type shit and then yeah so let us do it normal okay so even back then were you tending to run because okay what's what's your ethnic background my ethnic my ethnicity yeah yeah what's your dad and what's your mom and i'm i'm white bro my dad my dad's white and my mom is native oh okay okay but was it kind of obvious to you from early on that you were gonna run with the mexicans it's just it's it's not it's not racial bro at all it's just it's just more of just like who you fuck with like who good people are you know type shit you know type shit was it the kind of situation where there's like almost no whites really in that environment or i guess it's washington so like what is the racial breakdown i would say yeah bro it's not even racial like we got white homies mexican homies black homies like you know like shit like chinese homies like it's it's not it's it's not even a thing.

9:19Like people don't look at it like that. It's just, it's, it's basically like the kind of man that you are, like the kind of way that you connect yourself and the way that you move, like, you know, like what kind of, how you're like maneuvering through life type shit. It's not like, okay. So what age would you say you became in North Daniel? Uh, 14, 14. Okay. So while you were locked up or was that on the asset? Uh, I don't really want to get into it, but just, yeah, I started, I started like fucking around with the homies when I was 14 and shit in and out in the streets and locked up and shit like that.

9:46And then, uh, And then, yeah, I don't want to get into specifics of how that shit starts. For sure. But so is there a lot of gang shit in the town where you grew up and stuff? Like, was that like a big thing in that area? So, like. Or it's more of a jail thing. It's like, I ain't gonna lie, Washington is pretty. Like, I don't know what people like for look at it like, but it gets active, bro. And, you know, you can check the news and all that. But it's just like, yeah, it's just like normal street shit. One thing that's different from Washington and California, too, California, like, for instance, L.A., you got to drive six hours to go to Northern Cali.

10:28So, like, the way Washington is set up, we're in the same neighborhoods. So have a close compact. It's like literally just years and years of a whole bunch of bullshit just because of that because we're just like neighbors with each other. so we like waking up going to the store or waking up and just bumping into people so it's just like a real congested uh congested funk really yeah it's like shit non-stop i mean that is why i you know no shots at anybody but there's been people over the years who you know are from down here and they make it a real thing to like diss the northerners and shit when you know they ain't probably never even seen one yeah maybe when they went on vacation or something like everyone is either in jail dead based off that it's not like oh these people are talking about people that they've never had issues with like over there that's just all it is there's no really like fighting amongst each other it's just like opposite opposite it's like old school Bloods vs.

11:32Cripps type shit basically before it kind of got splintered and became super complicated it stayed like that it stayed like that over there interesting damn yeah Yeah, because, man, I mean, I feel like it is definitely like when I talk to people who are even from Northern California and I realize like, oh, so you like really have the red side and the blue side in the same city, which is way different than down here. Yeah, and it's like that all the way up to kind of like up to Seattle. Seattle's like really calm. It's beautiful over there, but it's the same thing. Like, they're not really like tripping on each other.

12:08It's really like niggas running into each other. So are there black gangs like where you grew up as well? Or is it mostly just the Mexican shit going on? Nah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. It's all mixed. Okay. And do you guys generally get along with the black side of things? And it's just like the Mexican kind of go at each other? Yeah, nah, for sure. Nah, we're hella close, like locked in. It's not even no problems or anything. I mean, it's just like a smooth working relationship type shit. that's what's up so when did you actually uh start thinking about rapping i've been i've been making music bro like just trying to rap fucking around like since i was young like i remember my dad finding like little papers i was writing this shit like talking shit to me and it'd be like like literally just like nothing but swear words on a paper like just like all the swear words like my little ass brain was thinking about basically that's funny that you say that because i was just talking to draco's dad and he had that story of finding draco's rhymes under the bed and i also in like first grade my parents found some rap that i wrote under my bed and it was like some some stupid ignorant fucked up shit about like shooting somebody or whatever and i remember my mom i know right i remember my mom crying though like why would you write this and i'm like i don't know that's just like every rap song i ever heard was kind of like this so you've been writing music since you was younger this is when i was like seven and then you was like writing music though like i mean i probably wrote a 16 maybe okay yeah yeah it's not like i ever performed it or anything i was just like a little kid and i remember my mom finding it and being like really upset and like it's not like she actually thought i shot somebody she just was confused why the fuck i would even be writing something that in any way like went into that yeah but um okay but so you so you were just kind of drawn to it from an early age or when Yeah, I would say just like, yeah.

14:02And then I started like trying to do that. And then I guess I would just always try to do that thing. And then, but basically when I got locked up, I would say then like, I really like have more time to for sure. You like sit there and do it and I try to do it because at first it was probably whack. Yeah, like for sure. Like, you know what I mean? But like it comes over time, like development and everything. And so I just I felt like being locked up had a big part to do with that. and then uh when i got out then fucking um when i got out of the pan i've only been out the prison for like for like a year i got out september last year oh shit and then how old are you now yeah i'm 20 bro okay yeah um and then and then so what you call it and so when i got out of prison like september my first music video was in like november so i've only basically been dropping music since november and then yeah yeah because i remember when i interviewed uh little mosey back in the day that he said that like we were basically like yo so you are there any other rappers from washington that like influenced you or whatever and he was basically like nah i'm pretty much like the biggest one i'm the only one that matters that ever came up out of there and i remember a lot of like even back then like 2018 like the the seattle blogs and shit were like just trashing him being like yo this is fucked up he's ignoring the history everything that gone down like realistically though when you break it down like numbers and motion and etc like he probably wasn't lying yeah even that at that point you know who's coming out that way when when you know him you know obviously if you don't know them it's just for a reason like niggas are not popping like that and if you go through the whole history of the state i'm sure you can find a bunch of different people who had their moments and stuff but you're talking to like a 16 year old kid who probably is not familiar with what happened even like five years prior you know yeah yeah for sure uh but so from your perspective like was there anybody in washington that you were looking at as inspiration or they're like kind of showed you that it was possible uh well i'm not gonna lie like we have the homies uh popping and shit and then like so when i got out like so like when i got out i was locked up in the pink like with the homies and shit and i was always rapping in there like doing my little job i was a laundry worker so like when we would go like back to the laundry room and shit like doing all the shit it was like secluded and then when you go up in there like we have like little mini concerts and shit like put the beats on the little speaker and then like you're doing like that and the homies that was locked in with money attract money uh they basically just like put it online and when we came out like you know me and type shit and they got my and got my shit rolling for sure at least so when did you start to actually believe that you might have some potential like like was that your mission when you got out like you know as soon as i get out i'm gonna start filming some shit i'm not gonna lie it was just like at one point like i was just like damn like i'm making slaps like you know that i could really you know and that's like slaps i was making in prison and i haven't even released those so it's like it's like a whole lot of another different thing my mindset was even probably different you know type shit and then yeah basically bro definitely wait so what was the actual prison bid for and how many years was that for uh so i got a solid deadly weapon and then so i got three years for that and then while i was in there i got two riots prison riot charges and then that gave me like a year additional year and a day oh at the same time so how does a prison riot work exactly like from your perspective being like super young and being involved in that like when do you remember when you first realized this was something you're gonna have to participate in

17:25it's uh so basically it really is a crazy thing so in the juvenile prison i was at it's called green hill and um and right there they had like a lawsuit or something go through there were everyone that just got charged with those prison riots got it dropped off the record so like some of my homies that was locked up right there for the pizza riots because some of them got like four years for that and like you know i mean something like that something like that and then so like they got out because of it and like they got dropped because it was like it wasn't right it was unjustified or whatever uh because they were trying to do it to the point because they were basically focusing on like the gang part of it and they were trying to like uh give people basically gang and hand fence and like basically if it's a two-on-one it's a riot which that's not even a thing like that's not a riot and even like when you look at fucking uh dlc or whatever it's not a riot a riot is like everybody yeah basically right like i mean i'm sure from their perspective they're gonna call it a riot if it's only a couple people but i mean okay so this is like a full-blown race riot or is this like a general riot nah i mean uh for the for the ones i was involved in it was just a one it was a lot of people weren't involved one of them was it's like a seven on one and then so they put that as a riot and then and the other one was like it was like we were bucking at the CO's like type shit because like I mean shit was like yeah.

18:39Define bucking. Like not going to ourselves and when they try to put us there we wasn't having it. Hit him with the Glock Dookie? No. I don't know. I don't know what goes on in Washington man. We got carrots out here in LA. No carrot business? What the hell is carrot business? Oh lord I don't even want to take your innocence and tell you about that shit. I mean allegedly in the LA County Jail there's been instances where somebody knocks somebody out and then shove a carrot up their ass. Yeah. That's that free shit. We ain't going for that. That is the opinion of many people. I don't know. LA just got some weird shit going on.

19:16We gotta get that stricken from the record. But, um, okay. So, but that whole time we were locked up, like, would you say that, like, just being involved in those riots was the most dramatic shit that you were involved with? Or what else did you have to, like, learn how to deal with? Well, it's like, I don't really want to Come up on here And like Kind of glorify Like the gang culture And like glorify The prison life experience And shit like that And more to like Promote my music And shit like that But at the I saw I mean I don't know bro Like you're doing a time Like I was going to Different facilities So I went like From one juvenile facility Like for the younger Ass kids and shit When I first got locked up Then to the juvenile prison Which is from 17 To 25 years old So they had like Grown men in there You know But then the reason why I went to the actual prison was because i was 18 and then fuck i caught a charge in there and so i was already over 18 so they did that and kicked me out and then set me up and shit all right but it yeah yeah what was like your your family's thoughts when you got these these years at such a young age like what was your dad's reaction and shit i'm not gonna lie uh well with my dad particularly like i wasn't talking to him for like probably like five years straight and then basically when i just got out the pen like like six months before that or like 30 days or something like you know i kind of like try to like tap in and then whatever and trying to rekindle the relationship like right when i got out and shit because it's like you know but but basically throughout my whole business sentence i wasn't in communication i wasn't really talking to nobody like that or my family side for sure yeah um is it awkward being someone who's technically white and you're rolling as with the mexicans and like as a rapper as well like i know that's kind of complicated right Nah, bro.

21:02Like, to be honest, bro, like, I'm not even, like, that's the furthest thing from my mind. Like, you know, like, there's so much shit going on. And no one's even looking at it like that. No one's not, like, a factor that anyone's even hanging on, like, you know what I mean? Right. Definitely. In real life, too, like, when you make it to, like, as far as, like, Washington, when you make it to certain, like, I would say social groups, like how you were saying, like, mentioning the race, it really don't matter because to make it to that social group you already got to go through a whole bunch of steps, ETCs for you to even get there kind of thing.

21:40So you're saying a white boy is never going to be a walk-on. They're going to always have to prove themselves before they become part of it. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm saying whoever is with us based off whatever skin color he is he's just already stamped. He's like one of them guys already. Because white White boy in a black gang is like super rare, but it feels like a white guy can fit in with a Mexican gang more easily. It's a little bit more accepting. You tell me, though. People aren't even focused on that. I don't even. Even with my homies, I'm not like the white homie, you know, type of shit.

22:18I'm the homie, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, that's the black homie. Nah, that's the homie. Like, shit, you know what I mean? So it's like, and I feel like that's part of our culture, too. Like we don't, you know what I mean? It's not no racial shit, no racial jurisdictions. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? If you're a real nigga, like you can fuck with us. You know what I mean? And over here too, like I think back in the day, it kind of used to be like that as far as like with certain like Mexican group segments in the blacks, it used to be like tension. But over there where we from, it was never like that ever.

22:48So we've always been like real close with them. Like we got good working relationships. We know a lot of them. they know a lot of us and we've never really had like no issues as far as like yeah i always feel like people from northern california always like kind of take pride in the fact that there's more unity in the different races spend time with each other as opposed to yeah yeah as opposed to la where it's like much more divided along racial lines it feels like even though i mean for the most part i would say black and mexican get a get along out here aside from a few little pockets Yeah.

23:49Thanks in Hulu. Got a Sam's Cafe pizza order up. You know the best part about this spicy Italian sausage? I voted for this topping. Yeah, just another perk of being a member. Come join us. Sam's Club. For sure. Okay, so, okay, but when you're in prison, even up there, I'm assuming that the Southsiders and the Northsiders kind of have to get along based on the racial lines or is it not really like that um like i i don't really want to get it's crazy bro just like just simple though but like the prison system like because we i'll be in the prison system we we be in the same prisons in washington it's like really like one one prison walla walla prison like we're we're we're niggas where the bros be at and it'd be like over there it's segregated.

24:46Over here, how they got whatever to where you live with each other, over there is just non-existent. That's not going on. So it's like literally, if we was to get locked up over here, we'd be on some what the fuck is going on kind of thing. It would just be kind of like a real life culture shock what it would be because that's the total opposite of a Washington prison system. Interesting. um okay so uh when did you first start coming down to la considering it's such a fucking trek from all the way back up there i mean did you grow up looking at la artists and just thinking that was like the sound of the west coast was uh like a big influence or were you listening to more northern cali hip-hop uh probably northern cali for sure like like growing up like like like like fucking uh just northern cali northern cali rappers and shit like woody i mean and all that.

25:42You're a big Woody fan? Because he's kind of like the most legendary white boy from up north. Nah, yeah, Woody Slag on the set. Yeah, Woody, Big Tom. That's a legend right there. Yeah, Big Tom, yeah. That's interesting that like the young generation still like goes back to his music. No, well really what it is, it's just like when you go to LA, you like their top culture rappers. I ain't even going to say no names, but they'll go listen to certain type people. It's the same thing with with uh the the culture over there it's like the whole northern region like as when you're young you grow up you go listen to big tone right away you go listen to woody yeah you you listen to them right away like that that's like the the peoples for for that genre yeah because it feels like especially in la or just in music in general there's like so much new music that i don't know how many kids even go back and like study a Nipsey Hussle or study whatever was happening in 2010, you know?

26:42Nah, I feel like with anybody, like when you got a real good foundation and you actually like saying something, it don't matter how long I feel like the years go by, there's always going to be like a good crowd for sure. Like on your movement. Yeah, definitely. For like the people who are really tapped in and paying attention and care about understanding the entirety of rap history and shit like that. But then also you just have so many kids that are like 18. They're just trying to turn up. They don't really give a fuck about what was happening 20 years ago or whatever. Well, real life, I feel like, like you saying, they're making history, so their music's already good.

27:19So they, like I said, for sure, I feel like always have a strong wave. Wave. Because I know for myself, I got into listening to rap music in maybe like 1992. and I remember like you know Snoop Dogg was coming out that was like the biggest shit and I remember like doing my homework and going and like listening to shit that was popping in like 1988 and just being like nah like I'm not I'm not a Run DMC fan like I respect it but it's just sonically it just sounded old as fuck to me as a kid you know yeah the same way that I'm sure if you go listen to some YG from 2011 and you compare it to shit right now it's like damn that sounds old as fuck compared to right now you know um even though it's important played a huge role gotta be a timeless a timeless project definitely even like beats i'll be trying to rap on beats sometimes and the homies and i'll be like that's hard and the homies be like that's just all that's the beats hello yeah yeah yeah no that's a real thing too the beats advance so much especially the producers man they're all like competing on sounds and drums and everything and just it's like they're doing shit that we don't necessarily understand as like non-producers that makes the music sound current which is kind of fascinating right now we got like a crazy a crazy engineer we liked him with DJ Idea he got like a he got like an old mob sound he's older so he's all the tunes and the drums he's using is from the 80s and 90s he's going crazy though yeah I feel like a lot of people are kind of realizing that doing more retro sounds might be the move like Metro Boomin's whole new album is supposed to sound like swag surfing and shit like it's supposed to sound like shit that's like a decade or two older which is like you know I think a lot of people are kind of trying to rediscover some of the older sounds you know um but okay so how long did it take before your music started popping off uh I'm not gonna lie bro Like fucking My first video Kind of just went up Like It just It just did numbers Like it just hit 300k Like It's like 8 months ago Or something like that Um And then it just kind of like I was just I feel like being consistent And I was like a new face And shit And like They was posting on TikTok and Instagram Like Kind of going viral A little bit So Yeah I had an effect And then When I got out I was fucking with A track And then so it's like Kind of his platform him he already has a hella shit hella motion built up he's already going crazy and then so i'm already i drop on his page and then you know me it's just kind of like a spotlight for them to see me and you mean to the take in like you know what i got going on and then you know i mean that was i mean that that's kind of the crazy thing to me is that if you're like a non-gang related rapper is definitely very difficult to get people to pay attention to your music but if you're like a nortenio rapper i mean there is a built-in fan base that is going to be very very interested to no matter what.

30:19Now, they might just check it out and be like, nah, this shit sucks and keep it moving but a lot of times, they're just there. Same thing like if you've got a rapper coming out of O Block in Chicago, there's like a hundred thousand, couple hundred thousand people that are going to watch your music video regardless just because they're interested in Chicago street politics. Yeah. I feel like real life too, you just have to be like just like that person in real life. Because that's what makes people real life want to gravitate to you. That's a big part of it is that they're trying to figure out if you're the real deal or not.

30:52They're watching it and just studying it and being like why is that guy in the video? I see something about him. He's a weirdo. They're just trying to fucking find ways to poke holes in it or figure out if you're valid or not. So from day one, was it like there was a lot of hate, a lot of people talking shit? Was that kind of weird to get used to just having thousands of people lining up in the comments to talk about you? Nah, I ain't gonna lie. From day one, it was all love. It usually starts off good and then gets more controversial. The more popping you get, the more haters you're going to get.

31:27That's expected. You could gauge how popping you are, just how many haters you have. The more people talk about you, people are going to talk about you good, and people are going to talk about you bad. Definitely. Was it pretty quick that you started having actual rappers weighing in? like actual like well-known rappers talking shit or showing love or like did it just start opening things up as soon as you went live on there uh i ain't gonna lie i feel like i don't feel like no rappers been talking shit or like if i if they did like i missed it and but like people be talking shit though like like uh yeah i ain't gonna get no publicity but for sure okay um do you feel like it's hard to blow up out of northern california or not beyond northern California, the Northwestern shit in general.

32:17I feel like, bro, it's probably hard to blow up anywhere, bro. You just got to grab your audience and gravitate to it. When I look at my top cities, my top listeners, my top five, it's not even Washington. I think it's Sacramento, San Jose, and then it's Seattle, and then it's I think San Francisco, and then like, fuck, somewhere else. But LA is like my sixth one surprisingly. Yeah, it'd be like real life behind the scenes, though. Bro, like doing things out there, it's like the hardest. Because like we're talking about, you're talking about, oh, Mosey's talking about he the only dude. Bro, he probably was.

32:57There's literally no one really over there to gravitate to, to where you're like, oh, we finna go lock in with bro. We finna go up. Nah, that's not what's going on. So real life, it really is hard. it really took like just hella years of uh of just dropping hella years of just dropping back to back to back no coach lines uh or even features with like no one from any other region we just kept dropping right that's kind of just like building the motion up uh day by day really so when did you meet him and how did you get involved in his career and everything so it's crazy like he said my bros was uh locked up with him in prison so i got a call one day they're like um the bro's about to get out uh he's he's tight and i'm like okay okay i'm like well just lock me in with him and they're like he about to get out in like a couple months i'm like okay so he popped out and uh we already had the whole plan we had the whole plan he popped out um i moved the bro with me and shit and then we just locked in after that because i already got the whole algorithm when it come to albums and videos and just like building people up like i make my bro six figure off music so i already knew like i already know what to do so right away i'm the one who shot his video i shot his video i edited his video and then i dropped it on my page and then ran it up really were you cautious at all because like i meet a lot of rappers that i'm like oh this guy's got potential but then i'm also like he's also a psycho fucking crazy violent gang member and I don't know if I want to deal with this shit.

34:30Because that's the reason why the bro sent me to the bro because he know like I know exactly how to move, talk, operate and do things to where they're very sustainable so it was kind of an easy thing because it's really like showing my bro like look this is how we doing it. So it was kind of like an easy move really. A lot of young rappers though, they'll listen to you giving them some like worldly advice based on decades of being involved in the game. And then they'll be like, nah, fuck that. I'm going to do whatever I want. Yeah, nah, nah. So it's 2025 over here. Yeah. We, we, we getting money, like anything under that we're not even involved in.

35:13So if you want to go do that, then we ain't even fucking with you. Got it. So what about you? Like in terms of your working relationship, is it kind of interesting, like taking advice from somebody older? or is that easy for you to kind of fall into that? Nah, it's still bro. Like, for sure. He already knows what's been going on. Like, along the lines of basically, like, all the online shit and all that shit and all the video shit, I don't know what any of that is, you know? I just got, like, what's going on with me, you know? And I put that on a mic type shit, and, you know, we get it popping.

35:46And then everything else, like, the bro was basically, like, this is how we do this type shit, like, lacing me up. And me, fresh out the pen, I didn't really know. I wasn't doing none of that shit. so you you're not the type of person who spends tons of time online like a lot of rappers are basically like complete and total social media addicts i see the way they are they just refresh their instagram notifications all day yeah no that's not really you nah i'd be like bro i mean i i'd be like just on my phone when i'm at home hella bored but i don't it don't be like that much like most i'll be like out like having to do shit get a lot of shit done like i feel like i don't have enough time in the day to get shit done i'll be up all night until four in the morning you know me trying to get this money yeah because i feel like uh there's also like two different types of rappers where there's some rappers that are like super locked in with whatever's going on in their neighborhood and then they're just like not really paying attention to everything else that's going on in terms of other music that kind of sounds like theirs or whatever and then you have other people who know about like every single artist in the scene period they just that's what they do in their free time they're on youtube watching their ops watching the guy from down the street watching anything no it's crazy because we don't care about nobody stay hella busy at the studio like bro real life he like he got like no exaggeration got like 100 slaps so you divide that up he got like seven eight albums literally unreleased all we really do is is is for show work like yesterday we were shooting videos uh right when we leave we're shooting videos like we we real life in motion every day really okay so were you the one who told him to go live in downtown in LA?

37:21Nah, nah. Was that downtown? I forget. Nah, that wasn't me. That was a bro lounging. That was just lounging. For sure. But you know what you're doing. You know that you're like going live in a place where it's controversial. It's going to make the blogs. People are going to be excited about it. Nah, bro. I ain't going to lie to nothing. I didn't say shit about LA or nothing like that. I noticed my location. We just chilling. It's just another day. Yeah, we're flying through like anywhere to be like controversial like we real life over here at the rooftop or we over here lounging at the high tub where we just moving around really.

38:04For sure. You're not going to be like bands from the Rose going to any op hoods out here in LA? You went to Lefty's Neighborhood. That was pretty controversial. Yeah, sure. It was funny. I've seen that. A lot of people on my ass about that one. Why? because i like brought him out here he did an interview and then he did that i think it was a different trip i think he came down on a separate trip to do that but still people were like oh you're platforming this dude and now he's out here he's disrespecting la nah but it really this this this is this is a west coast platform you feel me right it'd be like all the west it can't just be over here you know yeah no when i realized like damn there's like six seven fucking nortano rappers that i'm actually really lacking because i haven't interviewed i was like what the fuck It's crazy because if you sit there and look at Spotify numbers and look at who's really making money and who's really popping, you match them up and, bro, we're shitting on them off top.

39:00For real? Bro, like, do some numbers as far as, like, how much they get paid a month. Check out your phone right now. I have, and I don't know if what I have seen necessarily supports what you're saying because we got people like OGZ out here, Shoreline Mafia, Phoenix Flex, and like I've looked at it and it's like I feel like the top North Daniel rappers are kind of like 300 ,000 400 ,000 monthly listeners and then you've got a bunch of dudes like oh jeez you're like 1.5 million or something this is I looked at it probably six months ago I'm not saying it's equal because obviously they have it a little bit easier being down here for sure yeah yeah exactly they're platformers right here in LA and LA is a big ass huge audience you think about LA honestly that's Hollywood that's like number one and that's like fucking movies and music, all that shit off tops.

39:50And so that's like niggas' home base. So they got the audience off tops favoring them. I mean, OGZ want to sign to Atlantic. They are in the same city that you grew up in. He's from Hollywood. They're in Hollywood. That's pretty smooth. It's 2025 in the whole way as far as our people for the culture in the whole North region. It's really popping through the cracks to where it's like you can't ignore it. because when you play it it's just like who who these people you know it definitely sound way harder than this shit because because you know how it'd be bro i'd be like yeah the nigga be have i guess at the time way more numbers but if you like compare the music it'd be like bro this shit more slapping for sure yeah well i feel like in general we've just kind of like seeing the mexican rap community in la in california as a whole like really kind of like develop their own seen over the past I don't know maybe even like 10 years with all the food pages and everything like that to the point where like people really listen to rappers like from their area and they're concerned with them they have their local celebrities and shit it's not like everybody's like oh I can't wait for this new major label to drop a fucking album it's like nah you got like a dude down the street from you that's rapping that you're probably listening to and shit and so I feel like up north same thing like they've gained an understanding of their own culture my shit's popping out in my section Like for surely But that's not even On my top five cities And like so much Is hella popping out there But like out here Like they're popping too And it's probably less popping Like you know Like fans wise and shit But like there's more people So that it pops up More type shit So like right there LA is like you know The home base Home section So that shit is gonna like Boost that up for sure It's crazy cause on my end Cause I be capturing Other audiences Yeah LA is my top city Where I guess they Fuck with me the most right here Yeah Yeah, I mean, it's such a big market that it's like you could be extremely popular in Northern Cali versus like, you know, much less popular down here.

41:52But there still might be more people listening down here just because the population is so dense. Yeah, for sure. OK, but so, you know, I feel like obviously part of why you coming down here is so controversial is because you basically this the South Side is like in like every song over and over and over. At first when I was listening to it, I was thinking that they hated on you without reason. But then I started listening to music. I'm like, oh, no, they definitely have a reason. Because you're very disrespectful in a lot of these songs. And there's quite a bit to decode. You got to be a little bit up on some of the slang.

42:28But I felt like I pieced together some of it. Yeah. You know, bro, it's common sense. How we were saying over there in Washington, it's funky. Like it's a whole bunch of tension, a whole bunch of. A whole bunch of like just, I guess, things happening to where people feeling some type of way. And it's just it's always kind of honest because it's just like reoccurring. It's just like how we live in, you know, really. Yeah. But it's like this problem that I feel like we've seen this play out on this podcast so many times in recent memory where it's like somebody will diss a hood or like their enemies.

43:06but then that dis term also applies to another huge group of people that are offended by it even though they just wanted to talk shit about dudes down the street but like you say we've seen seconds every day probably we run into each other it's really close quarters out there and in Washington it's like really close quarters it's so close bro to where it's so close to where that's how That's obviously why they got to separate people when they go to jail. Because they can't have them together. Oh, yeah. It's like that. It's funk every time. It's exactly like that. They can't have them together.