Gloves off: Newsom takes aim at Trump

26:04Gavin Newsom:Well, they're supine. There's no Republican Party. Back to this invasive species construct. They don't exist. And it's remarkable. I mean, you have Ronald Reagan. I walk into Ronald Reagan's old office every day when I'm at work. Governor Ronald Reagan. I mean, he's looking down literally, not just figuratively, his painting on Donald Trump and the Oval Office. It has nothing in common with this. This is a guy, Trump, who said he was going to make us wealthier and healthier. We're quite literally sicker and poorer. You saw the jobs numbers today, down 92 ,000. We lost over 100 ,000 manufacturing jobs in the last 12 months.

26:43Gavin Newsom:1.4 % GDP contract now starting to slow down. We saw one of the worst jobs growth years that we've had since recession, roughly 2013. Speaking of 13, I mean, not even 13 cents today. I saw it was 37 cents overall gas prices have increased week over week. And if you're in Indiana, it's 47 cents. West Virginia, 47 cents. In just one week, there was the energy minister in Qatar. They had their largest LNG facility that was just taken out. They're the second largest LNG exporter in the world. Their largest LNG facility was just taken out by an Iranian drone. And he talked about his words in the FT this morning,$150 a barrel of oil.

27:29Gavin Newsom:You talk about wrecking ball presidency? I mean, certainly reflected symbolically and subsequently in the imperial palace that he's trying to the Kremlin West Wing that he's trying to recreate. And that's all all this has. Donald Trump is, you know, it's all about destruction and destruction is not strength. He's not a builder. You know, Sam Ryburn, what, you know, you know, I was like, remember years ago, I was like, who's this Ryburn guy? He says, well, he had a great quote. I always remember the quote when I was a kid. that goes, you know, any jackass can, you know, knock down a barn. It takes a skilled carpenter to build one.

28:13Forgive me, but Donald Trump is a jackass.

28:19Gavin Newsom:I believe that.

28:23Gavin Newsom:And it's the only thing it has in common, institutions, truth, trust. I don't even to get to Kennedy. Let's go down the list. These guys are rewriting history, censoring historical facts. They want to bring us back to a pre-1960s world, America in reverse, LGBTQ rights, women's rights. I mean, we've seen it on civil rights and now voting rights across the board. It's happening in real time. That's why states matter. And I want to just thank your state governor for, I guess she must've written a book because I think you must've learned, or she could have in the time that you spent together talking about that, but more how important she is and how important governors are.

29:00Gavin Newsom:States are on the front lines of all of these battles. But we all are now in this consequential moment. And so, no, I do not know what Donald Trump stands for. Right now, he stands for Donald Trump. And that's at the essence of almost everything. And we've talked about the Epstein files, but I don't want to go down that dark hole. But that's also reflected in what that's all about as well. It's about him. Something about those files and him. You don't care about laying anybody out. So who is he protecting? We know.

29:37Brian Tyler Cohen:He's protecting himself. There was a really interesting part of the book where you discussed your meeting with Donald Trump, going on a plane with him, having phone calls with him. What struck me about that part of the book is it didn't feel like – it felt like there was two distinct personas between the public one and the private one. And so can you speak a little bit about who he pretends to be in public, whether you think that there is some legitimacy behind that and who he is in private?

30:10Gavin Newsom:I'll talk to you about who he tried to call on Air Force One. Oh, thank God she didn't answer. that would not have gone well i'd have been kicked off the plane i got a call this would this is a more contemporary call and i'll go back briefly to what's in the book in this book by the way if if if you were coming to get a book about 10 point plan to restore america's soul in the future uh and come back that is definitely you're at the wrong venue that is not this book. If you came to read a book that was some sanitized version of a political life, this is not that book either. This is the op-read.

30:53If you don't like me, you should buy this in bulk.

31:01Gavin Newsom:With the one exception, I wrote a book that went up to when my father, God bless him, he lasted long enough to see his son get elected governor. He was in a wheelchair on election night, passed away a few weeks later. Didn't see me get sworn in, but boy, he was there. And what a night that was for me. And that's where the book was going to end. But the fires last year, I was going to release this last year in Los Angeles required an extension of the book because I met Donald Trump as governor-elect after the most devastating and deadly wildfire in American history, Paradise, California, right before I got sworn in as governor, when Jerry Brown was governor of California.

31:52Gavin Newsom:And I described that trip in detail. And it marks our relationship, which is an interesting one, and let me highlight that. The night before he federalized 4 ,000 National Guard, remember that all happened in California first. So much of this is happening in California first. His efforts to try to get and purge the voting rolls happened in our state first, even before Pam Bondi demanded them as an extraction payment to get the National Guard, or rather get ICE out of Minnesota. They and a number of other states many, many months ago. Donald Trump demanded my attention on a night that I'll never forget.

32:35Gavin Newsom:At 10.30, 11 o 'clock, I'm getting this strange phone call, missed call, missed call, missed call, from someplace in Florida. And I, it just couldn't be, right? It's 10.30, I'm doing the math, I'm, you know, I may have dyslexia, but I can still count. which I love to get into. Not the counting part, the dyslexia. And I texted Susie Wiles, and she goes, yes, call him. So I call her, and this was when there was, we had a modest incident in Southern. They colored it in. It was an incident, legit, but they really covered it on, you know, Hannity and Fox in Los Angeles. And Trump called me, presumably to talk about LA.

33:26Gavin Newsom:I jump right into LA. He cuts me off. He goes, what do you think of new scum? His nickname for me. I'm like, new scum. He goes, and then I'm about to say, he says, pretty original, right? Pretty original. I said, original. I said, not original. I just wrote a, I literally told him, I said, I just wrote a book. There's an eighth grade bully that called me new scum. It's in the book. And he goes, oh no, you know, he goes, well, what about MAGA? What about MAGA? I said, what about it? I said, are you, are we seriously having this conversation. Literally, this is how it went. He goes, pretty good, right?

33:55Gavin Newsom:I said, well, no, Reagan kind of had that too, and it's not original. He goes, well, how many hats you think I sold last month? It is 1.30 in the morning, Mar-a-Lago time. I don't know how many true socials he was in at that hour, but apparently he sold about 211 ,000 hats. I was like, well, that's actually impressive. And the whole conversation got even more curious. He said, he starts talking about how he won the debate against Kamala. I'm like, no, you didn't. And he said it was four against one. And I said, I thought there was just only two hosts. He goes, well, the cameraman, the cameraman.

34:38Gavin Newsom:So anyway, 17 minutes later, and by the way, if you think I'm making this up. There was an oversight committee that demanded my notes on this conversation. I literally am not making any of that up. About 18 hours later, the next day, there's a Truth Social saying, I read Newsom the Riot Act. And I am federalizing 4 ,000 National Guard. It was 2 ,000, then eventually 2 ,000. But what the hell is this? That's Donald Trump. that's the Trump in the book that's the guy slapping me on the leg saying in front of Jared Kushner Kushner you were not my first choice Tom Brady was right in front of Kushner gives a whole long story I thought it was kind of a joke and then I'm like oh god he's serious literally you should read it for nothing else you know know your audience you may want to read that But he was trying to read me and I was trying to read him.

35:43Gavin Newsom:Sizing each other up. You know? Then we land on Marine One and Marines are walking up like this. And Trump hits me. He goes, I'm right there. Marines are about to open the door. He goes, Swartzman, Swartzman doesn't get this. Some of you know who Swartzman is. guy he's always competed with to be as wealthy as Swartzman. We get on Air Force One, he starts petting the side of the plane. He goes, isn't this amazing? I said, it's amazing, sir. You're amazing, sir, is what he was looking for. You know, we walk in the bedroom and I'm like, no other president would ever do this. I don't know that I want to go in the bedroom with any other president.

36:33Gavin Newsom:And it was really incredible. And then we went back and did a press conference. And I didn't know he could do a press conference. And now you see it all the time. It was amazing. Called me the next day. You know, I describe after I took a little shot on my inaugural. And he calls me. And honestly, it's in the book. He expressed being almost hurt. I'm like, whoa. And I was ready to apologize. And I didn't. It was just an oblique, you know, yeah. And he goes, well, we're all good. We're all good. We're good. And then he said, and then he starts talking about my family and my kids and said something you shouldn't say about someone's wife.

37:12Gavin Newsom:That's Donald Trump. And every foreign leader knows this. You can spin them on your finger. The most easily manipulated. I mean, it's alarming. It's alarming. And so it's all about that transaction. It's all about that relationship. He's a broken man to try to break this country. It's not complicated. And that's why, again, we have to remain vigilant. Because this is a guy who's been exposed. Weakness masquerading as strength. With respect and forgive me, but between him and Bessette, it's dumb and dumber right now. These guys, I mean, this thing is collapsing all around us. You know, I live in the MAG-7 West Coast.

38:07Gavin Newsom:It's kind of holding up this whole market, all the CapEx, you know. I'm out there in a state where his state of mind is to take 10 % tithing from Intel. I thought, I remember Ronald Reagan out there with, you know, Thatcher talking about, you know, free enterprise is a healthy horse pulling a sturdy wagon now it's state capitalism 25 % amd 25 % nvidia mp materials golden shares or golden iphone to avoid a drop in your shares by getting a tariff exemption this is different and so that relationship that was formed then allowed me to navigate during COVID in a way where we actually got along remarkably and allowed me to navigate up into that phone call.

39:01But when he drew that line and it felt like he declared war

39:08Gavin Newsom:on an American city in Los Angeles last June, that's when I recognized I had to radically change. and you saw it and forgive me back to, you know, soap in the mouth, washing it out. My social media shifted as well. And if you haven't noticed, you know, yeah, not many people were apologizing about applauding then, but I just thought I'd put a mirror up to this. How has this been allowed to be normalized? This normalization of deviancy? How are we not calling this all cap out? How can he cosplay, literally dress up as the Pope? Like dressed up as a Pope? Dressed up as Superman and put his picture up there on Mount Rushmore.

39:55Gavin Newsom:So I decided to start doing it as well. And so offended, so offended was the primetime lineup at Fox. So offended was the five. How could a governor do this? it's so unbecoming. Jesse, what do you say? So situationally unaware of how complicit they all have been at this moment.

40:24Gavin Newsom:We don't want to be in peril being judged not to have lived in this moment. And so all of us, we need to put that mirror up. We need, you know, otherwise we put a mask on and our face is going to grow into it. We won't even recognize ourselves, not just our country. And we can do it with a little sense of humor. And I think with Trump, going to your point, and again, forgive the long-windedness, there is a sort of back and forth. He's got a sense of humor. Markably personable. I spent 90 minutes with him in the Oval Office after I, uninvited, though I finally got invited, I kind of pushed myself onto the tarmac in L.A., where he was very gracious.

41:04Gavin Newsom:And I invited myself to the Oval Office a month later, and it was 90 minutes of sort of banter back and forth. But I realized, and we all do, you don't work with Donald Trump. You can only work for him. And I have no interest in working for Donald Trump. That's the red line that will never be request.

41:35Brian Tyler Cohen:While we're on the subject of weird relationships, Kimberly Guilfoyle. Look, y 'all seem to know a lot more about that than most things. That's interesting. I have spent the last week trying to figure out what the question would be here. I know that I wanted to ask a question.

41:54Gavin Newsom:You must have had something to drink. That took some courage to bring this up.

41:57Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, I didn't see Jen, so I figured it would be okay to ask.

41:59Gavin Newsom:Yeah, so you figured my wife's not here. Oh, by the way, just on that, so I can try to distract him. And he may forget the question he was about to ask. So we're on Air Force One. I get the Royal Tour. It was amazing. He was incredibly gracious. He really was. And he was treating everyone rather graciously as well. It was sort of a mark of interesting character trait that I've never seen and haven't seen since in terms of how he treated, you know, the pilots and everybody and how gracious he seemed to be with the staff. But he really wanted me to call my wife. And I don't know, you know, some of you maybe had the privilege.

42:37Gavin Newsom:I had never been on Air Force One. I figured you just pick up the phone and dial. That doesn't work. There's some operator, like some old day movies. And he's like, and I'm like, oh gosh, not Jen, not my wife. she was not happy I was with Trump. And he's standing right above me, waiting for the operators to say, sir, we have Jen Siebel Newsom on the phone. And we waited. I'm like, okay, well, we're watching Fox News. And he's, you know, and I'm like, sir, she's not available. I'm like, oh, that's really too bad. And luckily I ended up having a call. He said, call someone else. I ended up calling my sister and he got bored with me and walked away.

43:18Gavin Newsom:I said, Hillary, thank you. You're good? Good. Thanks. Bye. Forgive me, but you were saying about Kimberly. So on the topic of unfortunate relationships, how was she always, is this an act?

43:37Brian Tyler Cohen:How did this happen? I mean, the gulf between you and her.

43:43Gavin Newsom:Yeah. Well, you know, I'm a young man in a hurry. She was a young woman in a hurry. She, pretty fierce prosecutor, was in L.A., made her way to San Francisco. A lot of cross-currents with Kamala and DA's office. I mean, it's interesting. And, you know, I was sworn in as mayor the same day Kamala was sworn in, DA. We walked across the street for her swearing in. And, you know, we were all in this sort of friends group.

44:14Gavin Newsom:And frenemies group, not with Kamala, but with Kimberly. Kamala. And she was a very effective prosecutor. And there's a famous dog-malling case where court TV was starred in Assert itself. And she was on there a number of times because she was prosecuting that case with a co-prosecutor, a deputy DA. And it was a very high-profile case. It was getting a lot of national attention. And she started getting a lot of national attention. And she seemed quite gifted on TV, so much so that Roger Ailes eventually called her. after she went to work part-time for Core TV and then part-time, full-time at Fox.

44:55Gavin Newsom:We just got, I just got elected mayor. She just gets the job from Ailes. That's not a relationship that's gonna last. But she always had that prosecutorial energy. She had an amazing father. Mom died very young in Puerto Rico, dad from Ireland. And he was just this, you know, just blue collar, worked for PG &E. Just hard work, contractor, part-time, and just raised his two kids after his wife died, very young, to be tough. That's who she is. But talking about a mask, you don't get to go on Fox for very long without putting that mask in. And that face grows into it pretty quickly. And that's what happened from my perspective.

45:37Gavin Newsom:And then she, you know, presumably, I guess they must have fallen in love with Donald Trump Jr., where they were engaged. And you just can't make that up. you know, from our first lady of San Francisco engaged, you know, and as we're going back and forth. So it's been a hell of a, you know, it's, uh, it's not easy to talk about these things. And it was a hell of a thing trying to edit what I wanted to say about this, uh, in the book, knowing that my wife was likely to read it. So it's, uh, but it's, you know, but I write about it and I try to be honest about it. And I also, you know, I, you know, you know, I'm married in the church, you know, you know, you feel like a failure.

46:21Gavin Newsom:And this book is about failure. It's about setbacks. It's not about triumphs. It's about mistakes. It's about, you know, it's hardly about, you know, perfection. I think if there's anything, maybe it's about perseverance. It's about discovery. A young man in a hurry, you know, became a memoir of discovery, the subheading line, because I wrote a book that I couldn't go back and talk about my life to my mom and dad because they were no longer here. And so I had to go back and I had to start to learn about things I never knew about them, secrets they never shared, including why they got divorced.

46:58Gavin Newsom:I found out about that in the process of writing the book. They never told me why they got divorced. I never understood why my father left. I never understood my mom's relationship to her father who took his life. It was a prisoner ward, Corregidor, who put a gun to her head when she was very young, threatening to kill her in a fit of rage of alcoholism. Again, eventually taking his own life. I never understood that connection. I never understood how that shaped her and how that shaped me and who I am today. Single mom working two, three, sometimes four jobs. And by the way, I described them in detail that none of that is exaggerated.

47:36Gavin Newsom:Who we had in our house our entire life, there was always a stranger there because we were renting out rooms. We were a foster family growing up. Just hard work, single moms, just single moms. Oh my, single moms. Not all the single moms out here. And so in many ways, this became a love letter to her. The things I can never say to her because because she's not around. She never met my kids. You know, I talk about the day Trump called me. There was a moment, oh God, you think about your mom, those moments. The inaugural. As a kid that struggled and still does with dyslexia, and again, back to my inability to look down and read speeches, and how I felt like I was dumb, and there was plenty of evidence to back that up, and how my mom struggled with a son who's struggling.

48:32Gavin Newsom:And she told me some piercing words that I write about in the book where she said it's okay to be average. And that did not sit well with me. And in the process of writing, I realized she was just saying it's okay. And in the process of writing this, I forgave her. And I keep forgiving. And so it's a journey, but it came to just intense terms. The day of the inaugural, and I'm reading the only thing I can read, which is a teleprompter speech. And it's, you know, these are not memorable speeches, my teleprompter speeches. I'm sort of fixed on the words. But I noticed the audience was not fixated on anything I was saying.

49:18Gavin Newsom:Because in the corner, I'm seeing this shadow running around. my three-year-old who was sitting in the front row with his pacifier and his blanket, Dutch, Dutchie. And the crowd is kind of laughing a little bit and he's running away from my wife. My wife's in a panic. People are all paying attention. And he runs right up on stage as I'm speaking and bolts right to my leg. And I'm looking at the teleprompter and with our first hundred days, we will. And people are like, and I looked down, I'm like, and I, of course, pick him up. And then what does he do? He puts his head, right? I mean, you can look this up.

49:58Gavin Newsom:And I have to give the speech with my son. And I swear to you to this day, there's never been a speech. People like, I want that speech again. Cause they don't remember a damn thing that I said. It was just the way everyone felt. And the way I felt at that moment, I was thinking, oh, if mom could see this. That's all she wanted for her son. That connection, you know. And so this book is about opportunity to make up for that. You know, my dad never had that. My dad was amazing. I love my dad. And I've never, ever doubted he loved me. Came back to my life much later. It was a huge part of my life, but he never had that.

50:42Gavin Newsom:Was here maybe, but was never here. The baritone of your life. And that kind of love is to me the most important. That's what this book is about. All the mistakes I made and how I'm trying to make up for them. I'm trying to be a better person. This young man in a hurry was too focused on himself. It was all about me, me, me. And one of the most profound moments where that just came crashing was when my mom, and I write about this in the book, where I get a voice message, and it's my mother. Hi, it's your mother. You may want to see me before next Thursday, because that will be my last day. Of course, I immediately then call my sister.

51:35Gavin Newsom:What's going on? and she says, well, what's going on is you're not paying attention to anything. You're out there running around. You've got this little small business. You think you're all that as a county supervisor and you haven't been paying attention to mom. Breast cancer's come back. I said, oh, I know that. She goes, no, it's come back. I said, but she's gonna be fine. She got this past, a year ago, she came over it. She goes, no, she's doing an assisted suicide next Thursday. and by the way it was illegal in california at the time and i know this is an issue trust me i know the audience i get it and i didn't understand it and so i had to come to grips with kind of jerk i've been running around all about me me me me me and to spend those last precious days with her but i had to spend the last precious minutes and seconds with her courageous doctors willing to lose his license and everybody said their goodbyes they're in the living room my sister and i are just with our mom and she's looking through all the old photos those sort of 70s patina photos and the medicine's starting to doctor left medicine starting to think and my sister's crying i'm crying and my sister looks at me i'm like go it's okay and she bolts out and I'm stuck there.

52:57Gavin Newsom:I'm like, I don't know that I can do this much longer, but she's still with us and I'm holding her hand and those last breath, nothing romantic about this. I mean, talk about scars, like scars, that last breath. And then I just put my head down on her stump for 20 minutes and I said all the things I didn't even have the courage to say 20 minutes before, just feeling the shame of that. And it was just this wake up, like who the hell am I becoming? This is not why she lived and died for this, this guy. And so this is what this book's about. I'm scrutinizing my life, all the mistakes, all the insecurities, all the anxieties I have sitting up here with you today that mark who I am.

53:45Gavin Newsom:And I'm just trying to be a better person throughout all this. And by the way, just something that may or may not resonate with you, what a gift it was. You know, my first year as governor to sign a bill in her memory, allowing it to be legal in the state of California to at least allow the grace of that journey that is unique for everybody. And I, trust me, grew up in the church. I get it, how raw that is. So that's, that's a little bit of the journey I've been on. And Kimberly was part of that journey, sincerely. Donald Trump's a big part of that journey. You know, trials and triumphs. It's just, you know, it's who we are.

54:26It's being human.

54:29Gavin Newsom:Let it go. Let it go.

54:32Brian Tyler Cohen:You know, I think so much of the book was about those fits and starts and there's so much awkwardness. You were really awkward for a lot of it. But I think the one part of the book that felt different was when you were describing your relationship with Jen. And in that part, it was the only part I noticed, and I sat up while I was reading this part, because that part flowed so effortlessly in a way that the rest of the book didn't. And I think that's inherently because that part is the part that worked. And so I think that stuck out. And I

55:07Gavin Newsom:I love that.

55:08Brian Tyler Cohen:Because I did like both.

55:10Gavin Newsom:Because when you see Jen, she's going to, you know. That's why.

55:14Brian Tyler Cohen:So let the record show.

55:17Gavin Newsom:Blind date. When you give up, you're like, no, never. You know, it's like, it's like such a cliche. There's a reason cliches are cliches. And it was a blind date. She's two hours late. I'm like, it's like what it was tonight. And I'm like, it's not going to work. And I was like, okay, hold on.

55:37Gavin Newsom:and we spend plutonic time together and everything's perfect. See her a couple days later and then she says, I'm a Republican. I'm like, oh, come on. Everything about you is perfect. And she goes, well, it's just because my father is a Republican and he still is. and she starts talking to me about her life and her story and her journey and how she lost her older sister to an accident and how it shaped her and her journey which I write about and she was sexually assaulted by Harvey Weinstein and then assaulted again by a lawyer defending him disgraceful lawyer tried to intimidate and shame her disgraceful, no amount of money the devil's advocate it.

56:32Gavin Newsom:I'll never forgive him for that. The courage of young women that do that. And she's a fierce warrior for women and girls. She's a feminist and she's been out there. She did a documentary called Misrepresentation that Oprah bought about the missing underrepresentation of women and girls decades ago. I'm so proud of her. But there's a spirit in her because of what she went through. And I describe it. I love that you bring this up. I describe watching her dance the first time I saw her dance. Oh, and this freedom. I mean, you just, you see something that's like, we talk about love and all my West coast friends, you know, love and light.

57:08Gavin Newsom:And you're like, I don't understand that. And then I see it. I'm like, Oh, love and light. And she's just a bright light. And you know, she set me straight. She didn't know. She's like, I love your dad. She got to know my dad, but she's like, are you going to be like your father was as a husband? She had to go through the Kimberly stuff. She had to deal with a lot of that afterwards. And, and we established that. Then she wondered, well, are you going to be your father again when it comes to our children? And, and so she took a leap of faith with me. And so if I didn't describe her well, that's an injustice.

57:55Gavin Newsom:And she is the rock, and she's the constant. And I'm so in love, and I'm so lucky. And she gave me the most precious things in the world that are the four that I dedicate this to. Brooklyn Dutch, Hunter, and Montana. And as I dedicate to them, may they continue this story. I want to finish off with...

58:24Brian Tyler Cohen:With a question I get asked the most when I see people, and I'm sure a question that you have to face a lot when you talk to people, and that is, are we going to be okay? And so I want to take this opportunity, while I'm sure there's a lot of people in this audience, a lot of people who are going to be watching online, who watch what we're contending with right now, see the ways in which our democracy is failing, our justice system is failing us, and obviously the apathy that we contend with among our voter base as well. And what do you say to folks who ask, are we going to be okay?

58:56Gavin Newsom:What a perfect question, because it was expressed all day today at the memorial. We were talking about Ayers, we were talking about Malcolm X, we were talking about King, we were talking about Kennedy, We're talking about the 60s, how we were torn asunder in so many ways, shapes, or form, even the early 70s. And, you know, I come from a city, San Francisco, 1906 earthquake and fire. And our flag is the phoenix, the phoenix rising from the ashes. Ah, that's the resilience we have as a nation, our capacity for renewal, rebirth. it's alive in all of us. I mean, it's alive in all of you. You haven't gotten the memo that you shouldn't be here for yourself or each other.

59:43Gavin Newsom:You haven't dialed into the cynicism, the fear and the anxiety. You've had all this stacking of stress, that grace you haven't even given yourself. This original book, by the way, this was not supposed to be a memoir. I submitted this to Penguin Press and the great Ann Godoff, and she rejected my book. And I thought she was going to reject it because I had one chapter about my childhood and the rest of it was about COVID and social unrest, supply chain issues. And my first two years with Trump and two years with Biden, she goes, she goes, I want the memoir. And so I had to rewrite a brand new book.

1:00:26Gavin Newsom:but in the old book I talk about our resiliency and I talk about how we haven't given ourselves the grace to really reflect on everything you guys have been through and gotten through just in the last five or six years I would say since the escalator with Trump but what many of you have lived through going back decades and decades what our grandparents lived through. My grandfather lived through as a prisoner of war. You know, my great-great-grandfather lived through, you know, during the Red Scare. And I write about his relationship to Oppenheimer and Linus Pauline, his doctor, and all of that, and all the FBI files.

1:01:06Gavin Newsom:It's so, it echoes today. And we're here. We've had triumphs, not just tragedies, you know, since then. And so I'm, I'm deeply optimistic. But again, it's in that spirit of, you know, the spirit of today that moved me. It's, you know, as we pray, move our feet. Right? It's faith and works. You know, we just can't, I love the candlelight vigils, but not right now. You know, I'm sorry. We've got to fight fire with fire. We've got to be as ruthless, but lovingly. As they are. They're not screwing around. They're trying to break this country. They're trying to break us. Shock and awe. Flooding the zone.

1:01:58Gavin Newsom:Dominating the nerve. That's Trump's great strength is sussing up your weakness and exploiting it 24-7. He loves our indignation. He loves our outrage. All sort of folks on the dictatorial spectrum love that, but they don't like the mockery. They don't do well with humor. Trump struggled a little bit with our social media. It's gotten under their skin as we put that mirror up to their face. And so I, you know, you've, you've all inspired us. You know, this imperial presidency that's having a birthday party with the military parade that's putting this beautiful photograph on the side of the DOJ, Bobby's building, you know, putting his name and gold everywhere.

1:02:52Gavin Newsom:Again, that's weakness masquerading as strength. And you are showing up and you keep showing up over and over and over and over and over again. And we're going to show up just like they did in Texas in record numbers this week. We're going to show up in record numbers this November, and we're going to celebrate Speaker Jeffries with the gavel. And we're going to celebrate the beginning of the renewal and rebirth of our country. Governor Gavin Newsom. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for taking the time and still being here this late evening.

1:03:29Brian Tyler Cohen:Thanks again to Gavin Newsom. That's it for this episode.

1:03:32Gavin Newsom:Talk to you on Sunday.

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