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21:42Brian Tyler Cohen:And finally, I want to talk about something that I've seen on on the left as we're contending with our own primary elections. And that is the the kind of ever present issue of progressive or leftist candidates, DSA candidates versus liberal moderate candidates, and kind of the infighting that ensues. And we saw a little bit of it with Tallarico and Crockett with that race. And it feels very much like, you know, for those of us who are paying attention back during the Bernie Hillary days, it feels like a redux of that race. And, you know, So on one hand, we have the more difficult job because the Democratic Party is a less homogenous coalition than the right is.

22:27Brian Tyler Cohen:But I'm curious, you know, as we engage deeper into this process and tensions continue to escalate and emotions continue to run higher and higher, how do you avoid getting into a position where we just kind of are at each other's throats and these primaries are so bruising that it fractures the very coalition that it requires to win? You know, these primaries are sort of a little all over the maps. In some cases, they are like truly liberal or leftist or progressive or DSA versus moderate. Sometimes they are just different approaches to politics, which is what I think Texas between Tallarico and Krakow was.

23:05They kind of had the exact same issue positions. It wasn't really about one was a leftist and one was a moderate. It was just they sort of disagreed on how politics works. You know, some of it's generational change, right? Where you got a lot of candidates who may be more progressive on some issues, but are representing just a younger set of leadership. You see that in some of these Illinois primaries that are happening on Tuesday night. You see that in, you know, to a certain extent, that's part of the dynamic in both Massachusetts and Maine, where you have people challenging older incumbent Democratic senators.

23:34Here's my take on it. Like, our party needs to figure out, you know, what the fuck we're doing, what the fuck we stand for how we execute politics. And primaries are one way in which we do that. And I think Texas is an object lesson because as bitter as that primary was online, and it was a brutal online conversation. And there were some tough ads exchanged and some tough commentary on the trail itself. But before that election was called, both Tallarico and Crockett said they would support the other person and campaign for them to help beat whoever the Republican nominee is. and they have come together since then.

24:09And so whatever happens between now and when the primary votes are cast, I'm not worried about. What I care about is whether people come together on the back end. So you take Maine, right? Which is this increasingly bitter race. If Janet Mills is the nominee, I fully expect Graham Plattner to marshal his supporters to campaign for her to beat Susan Collins because that's the main goal. And if Plattner's a nominee, I expect Janet Mills, her supporters at the DSCC and Senator Schumer to do the same thing for Plattner. Like that's what we should expect. And I do think that there is a, unlike 2016, everyone understands the threat that we are under and they are the urgency of the cause.

24:47And so we have to, we have to be able to come together. And so these, I think the primaries are healthy. It's there, but they're only healthy if there is unity after the voters have their say. And we all get to work of defeating the Republicans and taking back the majority this fall.

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27:29It's against the law to make material false statements under oath, period. And then there's a specific statute which adds that you can't conceal material facts from Congress when you're testifying in Congress. And Kristi Noem came here, and it's just inescapable that she engaged in false statements and concealed material facts from Congress repeatedly.

27:58Brian Tyler Cohen:So in terms of whether or not this criminal referral is successful, the criminal referral goes to the Department of Justice. And so if we're talking about putting the fate of whether or not Kristi Noem for lying to Congress, putting the fate of Kristi Noem in the hands of Pam Bondi, I think it's clear to everybody what Pam Bondi is going to do, or I should say what she's not going to do. And so how do you overcome the obstacle of the fact that this is a this is a Department of Justice and an attorney general who are there not to uphold the law without fear of favor, but rather just to run a protection racket against Trump and all of his acolytes?

28:34Well, I sent this letter with Senator Durbin from the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the single most important line in our letter might be the simple restatement of what the federal statute of limitations is on lying to Congress. And that's five years. And that takes you beyond the Trump administration. So all of those well-trained cabinet officials in the Trump administration who think that their job is just to cover up for the president and to lie in every context possible must reflect on the fact that we have federal criminal statutes which make it a crime to lie under oath. And those actions, those criminal prosecutions can be brought for a five year period.

29:27Brian Tyler Cohen:So if we are in a world where Kristi Noem is held to account as, you know, there is a criminal referral sent to the DOJ and a subsequent attorney general, one who is not there to just protect Republican officials, but rather to uphold the law without fear of favor. If we enter that world, then why would it just be limited to Kristi Noem? There are other administration officials or other figures in the federal government who have also committed the same violations. I think these are 1001 violations lying to Congress. Just a few weeks ago, Pam Bondi sat in front of a congressional committee and said that there is no evidence implicating Donald Trump or tying Donald Trump to the Epstein files.

30:06Brian Tyler Cohen:That's patently false. Now, the credibility of that evidence notwithstanding, she didn't make that caveat. She said there's no evidence tying Donald Trump to any criminal activity within the Epstein files. And we know that there are interviews where where Donald Trump was accused of committing crimes that are contained within the Epstein files. And so how are you thinking about about this about consistency as it relates to lying to Congress? Well, I mean, some of the lies that Noam engaged in are easily contradicted by the public record. So, for example, she said that DHS always complies with court orders and always follows court orders.

30:47We know that there were at least 210 cases that have been cited by courts themselves where the Department of Homeland Security violated court orders. And in fact, the Department of Justice even admitted it in 50 cases. And yet she said not. OK, so that's one where we publicly can determine that she was lying. But then she was also lying about things that she did where it would be tough to know without, you know, pretty deep investigative work that she was lying. But we were able to determine she was lying, for example, about this two hundred and twenty million dollar contract where she told the Senate that that was the product of competitive bidding.

31:35That was a lie. My colleague, Joe Neguse, refuted her and said, here's the form you filled out to escape competitive bidding. You said you were invoking a national security exception. Why you needed to invoke a national security exception for a PR contract, you know, to show you on horseback, you know, out in the Wild West. is a little bit weird. But in any event, he showed that that wasn't true. And then she said, oh, well, right. But we looked at different bidders, but those were all different friends of hers. So that was a dodge about the competitive bidding process. So the bottom line is, you can't come and lie before Congress any more than you can go and lie in court.

32:26And we've got to hold the line on that to show that the perjury laws and the material false statement laws mean something.

32:35Brian Tyler Cohen:But I guess my broader question is there are other people who have also lied, who have also told demonstrably false statements, not just Pan Bondi, for example, which was the example that I brought up before. But also, what about these Republican Supreme Court justices who, when they were just nominees sitting in front of, you know, the Senate for their advice and consent hearings, they said that they respected stare decisis and respected precedent and then immediately went and overturned Roe versus Wade. I mean, there is this sense as people watch this that you can say whatever you want to Congress.

33:09Brian Tyler Cohen:And then once you're in a position of power, you can flip flop immediately and there are just no consequences for it anymore. That's right. Well, look, my point is this. The Supreme Court justices are in a somewhat different category. Like, they all got up and they swore their fealty to stare decisis and precedent. But then it's very easy for them to invoke various exceptions to stare decisis when factual circumstances have changed, when the law has changed, and so on. That's pretty slippery. So that's tough on that particular case. But the ones you've invoked with respect to the attorney general are serious and real.

33:45And so we simply need to get the word out in a deterrent way. We are watching you. You can't get up and lie before Congress under oath the way that Donald Trump can get up and lie the way he does every single day from the White House Oval Office or on the tarmac someplace. Yeah, nobody can get him on that. The Supreme Court has said that under the First Amendment, you basically can't make it a crime to lie unless somebody's under oath or unless we're talking about fraud in order to deprive somebody of their property and so on. But we can't get so conditioned by Donald Trump's lies that the word goes out among the cabinet secretaries that you can go ahead and say whatever you want.

34:37Now, the interesting thing about Attorney General Bondi was she refused directly to answer questions basically from any Democrat. She changed the subject. She evaded. She began talking about irrelevant stuff going on in other parts of the country and so on.

34:53Brian Tyler Cohen:I think she had her little burn book as well. So everything devolved into a personal attack against every Democrat. She turned it into ad hominem attacks. Yeah. All of that was a way, perhaps on her part, to avoid committing perjury. Because the truth is, none of them is going to say anything that contradicts Donald Trump. Now, one of the ways that we assert that Noam lied was with respect to Donald Trump, because she was asked the question, did you tell Donald Trump, did you get his approval? Then did he know that you have this$220 million contract? And she repeatedly said, both in the Senate and the House, that she did.

35:34He directly refuted that and said he didn't know anything about it. One of them is lying. She was under oath. And if she was lying, that's perjury. He wasn't under oath and he lies all the time. So that might be the one that's hardest for us to prove. But in any event, one of them is definitely lying.

35:54Brian Tyler Cohen:Congressman, is there anything that Congress can do to vindicate crimes against Congress, which is to say, lying to Congress, committing perjury, or committing contempt of Congress, to vindicate crimes against Congress if and when the DOJ inevitably abdicates its responsibility to adjudicate those things. Right. Well, one thing we can do is we can wait for a future administration to come in if the statute of limitations last that long. That was the point I was making before, but we also can hold people in contempt of Congress. There's an old power that Congress has called inherent contempt. And the Supreme Court repeatedly ruled that the Congress has the power to render both civil and criminal contempt charges, civil contempt being holding someone or finding someone until they give Congress what Congress has demanded in a subpoena, whether it's testimony or documents or what have you, but also criminal contempt.

36:58You can be punished by Congress for acting in contempt of Congress, which would include lying. And there were people that were, we're talking a century ago now, but who were held in contempt of Congress for engaging in behavior like that.

37:16Brian Tyler Cohen:Is that something that Congress would consider looking into in the event that Democrats retake the House and Pam Bondi and this DOJ continue to abdicate their responsibilities to uphold the law? Well, there was a lot of talk about it during the first Trump administration when we had a majority in the first two years. And a lot of people explored it and people were even looking for the old jail that nobody could find that was somewhere in the maze of the Capitol basement to see whether this could be done. It never really crystallized legislatively, but it could crystallize legislatively in the future if we continue to have spokespeople for the administration, cabinet secretaries coming forward and blatantly lying to Congress.

38:05Brian Tyler Cohen:Is there a world in which that that contempt power could be used to compel the release of the Epstein files if we're at a point where Pan Bondi continues to refuse to release these three million outstanding documents? There is nothing in the inherent power of contempt that would prevent that from being used in that way. Now, we shouldn't have to cite the inherent power of congressional contempt to get the executive branch of government to comply, not just with a subpoena, but with a federal law. But we will use any means at our disposal. But basically, Congress would go to court to say that there is not compliance taking place and that the federal government is not itself enforcing the law.

38:57But I would say we have to use any means at our disposal to restore the rule of law in America. And we are living through this absolutely atrocious reign of lawlessness and terror, as we saw in Minneapolis. And, you know, if you've got government agents who think that the Constitution doesn't apply to them and the rule of law doesn't apply to them, then you're going to end up seeing U.S. citizens getting shot in the face by government agents. And that's where we're at. Donald Trump, who feels absolute immunity and impunity because of some things the Supreme Court has done, has let the message go out throughout his administration that they're somehow above the law.

39:35And that's what makes it such a dangerous moment.

39:37Brian Tyler Cohen:And actually, I wanted to ask you about exactly that, which is some news that Greg Bovino, who was formerly the person who was overseeing all of these operations, including when Rene Good and Alex Preddy were shot and killed in the streets of Minneapolis, that there is reporting now that he will be leaving government at the end of this month. Can I have your reaction to that? Yeah, I mean, I don't know under what circumstances, because I'm hearing this from you. I'm not sure I saw that before. So there does seem to be an effort to change the subject. Minneapolis was an absolute political waterloo for the Republican Party, where millions and millions of Americans turned against them for violating not just the rights of immigrants, but the rights of U.S.

40:24citizens to the point of shooting them because they were bearing a lawful firearm consistent with state law and the Second Amendment to the point where, you know, U.S. citizens are being shot down simply for exercising their First Amendment rights. So they're not supposed to use apparently the phrase mass deportation anymore. The public understands that mass deportation is shorthand for violating the rights of the people and trampling Bill Wright. So I don't know whether getting rid of him now is part of that or like most of them, he wants to try to cash in as quickly as possible and make money as quickly as possible.

41:06Because I understand that the whole thing from, you know, from Jump Ball is they're trying to make as much money as possible off of the American people. And Donald Trump has made billions of dollars in just over one year in office. and we believe that the Trumps want to make themselves the richest family in America before they leave office or before they're forced to leave office.

41:33Brian Tyler Cohen:Congressman, I want to switch gears finally to one last point, and that is that applications are now open for the Democracy Summer 2026 program. And this is a program you and I have spoken about at length. So can you give a little bit of an introduction on what that is for folks who don't know about it and why it's so important. Well, I appreciate that, Brian. It's for high school and college kids across America who are paying attention politically or maybe just starting to pay attention and want to get more engaged and involved. And so you sign up with Democracy Summer, you will get to participate in nationwide campaign Zooms with people like Heather Cox Richardson and Larry Tribe and Tim Snyder and Benny Thompson, Nancy Pelosi, you name it.

42:22And then you go out and you exercise your First Amendment rights by involving yourself with the campaign. And there people are engaged in door knocking, in canvassing, in registering voters, what have you. And so it's a really great life-changing opportunity, but you'll be able to change not just your life, but your country too, because young people have been dramatically affected by things going on, whether we're talking about war, whether we're talking about the high cost of housing and education and groceries, and young people need to be engaged in this process. And that's without even getting to some overarching crises of our time, like climate change and like artificial intelligence, that young people need to have their voices engaged in.

43:12Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, look, if anybody watching is in high school or college or know someone in high school or college who you think would be a good fit for this program, I could not recommend it highly enough. I've been a major fan of this for years and years and years. So I'm going to put the link to Democracy Summer right here on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Again, highly recommend that you sign up. Congressman, as always, thank you for the time. I appreciate it so much. Thank you so much, Brian.

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45:44So he had stopped all of their recommendations. He stopped RFK Jr.'s attempts to take off critical vaccines from the childhood vaccine schedule. It's a major laws for RFK Jr. and importantly, a rejection of government's longstanding claim that RFK Jr.'s actions aren't reviewable by any court. And that's an extreme position. I'm happy to go into that first.

46:14Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah, I would love for exactly that. Okay, well, I want to read this part of the ruling because it's incredible. You had Judge Murphy saying in oral arguments, he was providing some hypotheticals you see very often I've been covering this beat for two decades and very often you have federal judges take a party's argument to its logical extreme and he did that with the government saying that RFK Jr.'s actions could not be reviewed by any court and here are some of the hypotheticals that he gave Judge Murphy said let's say that instead of revising the vaccine schedule the CDC said, actually, we think measles is good for you.

46:55You should go have lunch with someone with measles and we are sponsoring measles lunches in every city. Come have a measles lunch. That would seem to go right up against the goal of preventing communicable diseases. Would such a policy by the CDC be judicially reviewable? And the government essentially said, no, it wouldn't be reviewable, said, I think that would still be committed to agency discretion by law. The judge went further, said, so even if what the agency was saying is we like communicable diseases and we think you should get more of them, that's not judicially reviewable. The government's lawyer said no.

47:36And just think about that for a second. Think of it. You mentioned RFK Jr. being unhinged. This would be an unhinged RFK Jr. being unleashed and saying that there is no federal court anywhere in the land who can second guess when he says that one of his pet theories about the public health should have the force of law.

48:00Brian Tyler Cohen:So now that a judge has struck down this effort by RFK's health agency, what are the practical implications for American families? Well, what it means is the public health is being protected. Just to put this into perspective, I recently spoke to a doctor in the wake of this ruling, an emergency room physician in Michigan, and he had mentioned that the United States is now on the brink of being off the list of countries that have eradicated measles. And it's not just measles. The doctor was talking about meningitis vaccines and outbreaks of that. I saw that ProPublica had an expose on how whooping cough is now an issue.

48:44That long controlled and eradicated diseases are now part of the national conversation. And what it comes down to is putting confidence and expertise again. The foundation of the judge's ruling was not only the science, it was the law. He was talking about the Administrative Procedures Act, which safeguards against arbitrary and capricious government actions. And what we had here was RFK Jr. essentially nullifying and purging a body called ACIP, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. So he purged the people who were properly appointed to it and stacked it with his fellow ideologues.

49:31And in another part of his ruling, Judge Murphy said, of the 15 members currently on ASIP, even under the most generous reading, only six appear to have meaningful experience in vaccines, the very focus of ASIP. So the judge is saying you can't short circuit this procedure that was in place since 1964 to provide sound medical advice and put it with people who share your pet theories.

50:02Brian Tyler Cohen:Adam, how come this is working? And I'm glad that it is working, but how come this is working for Health and Human Services but not the Department of Education, for example, not the EPA, for example? There are people in place atop each agency that are hostile to the very mission of their agencies, and yet they're allowed to act with abandon, with reckless abandon, and oftentimes destroy the very agencies that they were tapped to lead. And there really doesn't seem to be any recourse for any of that. But in this instance, where RFK is trying to undermine the stated mission of Health and Human Services and its corresponding agencies, there are judges who are able to step in and say, no, so long as you're acting in a way that's antithetical to the mission of each agency, there is a check on that.

50:51Right. Well, what we're seeing is the kind of interplay of what's happening in the trial court level and on appeals. And I should be clear, the Trump DOJ is going to appeal this. And we've seen other federal judges try to take actions with the Department of Education, for example, and other agencies. There's litigation right now over DOGE, and a lot of this litigation is under the very statute that this case involves, the Administrative Procedure Act, because if there's one common theme in Trump's – both of his terms is this explosion in Administrative Procedure Act litigation because he does things arbitrarily and capriciously by definition.

51:35It's a sort of unilateral thing, and he stacks his cabinet with members who act unilaterally without notifying the public, without bringing in the experts, working against the experts. So that's why you see a lot of this litigation. A lot of this will come down to whether this stands up on appeal. But one of the things that I find so important about this ruling, and it's a 45-page ruling here, is the principle being defended here that RFK Jr. cannot act alone without any court oversight. If that legal theory is adopted, we're in deep trouble when it comes to the public health.

52:19Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, isn't that really what Trump is looking to do? I mean, he wants he and his party want unreviewable power. I mean, this is what they tried to do with the independent state legislature theory, which is this idea that each legislature in each state can adopt voting rules no matter how insane. And they wouldn't be they wouldn't be susceptible to any check or review by the judicial branch, for example, or by the governors. So if you had a state like North Carolina, for example, with such a gerrymandered Republican legislature that there was no hope that any Democratic legislature would be able to take over.

52:52Brian Tyler Cohen:But, you know, there was Governor Roy Cooper. Those people would be able to adopt rules for the subsequent elections that would be completely unreviewable by Governor Roy Cooper or even the Democratic state Supreme Court at the time. And so this has been a recurring theme for this party where they were so long as they have their own acolytes, their own hardliners in positions of power, they want those positions of power to be completely unreviewable by any other branch of government. That's absolutely true. As a matter of fact, one theme with the Trump government and the MAGA movement more broadly is these sweeping assertions of power.

53:31And to put a little bit of glimmer of hope here, a lot of these have failed pretty substantially in court. I mean we've spoken about the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia many times. Early on, after Kilmar Abrego Garcia was spirited out of the country and put in a prison in El Salvador where he was tortured, the Trump DOJ line was that now it's unreviewable. Now it's out of our hands. And that was rejected 9-0 by the Supreme Court in saying that there has to be some sort of due process not only with Kilmar Brigo Garcia but with hundreds of others who were spirited out of the country without notice or hearing.

54:14This is an extension of that where we have another claim of unreviewable authority, absolute power if you will, where a judge is shooting it down. And so there are two things that I'm looking for on appeal. One, does this ruling hold because it holding is vital to the public health and the ability of any secretary of health and human services to be able to stack the deck with their preferred ideologues rather than follow any procedures on something as important as public health recommendations. But the other thing that I'm going to be looking forward to the ruling on very closely is will the higher courts reject this idea that Trump's cabinet members can do whatever they want without the federal courts touching it?

55:05Because if that is a finding, we're in real trouble.

55:08Brian Tyler Cohen:Right, because then it basically just eliminates our system of checks and balances. And when you have these extremists in positions of power, then we're setting ourselves up for a pretty dangerous situation. Is there any way to read the tea leaves on what an appeals court might say on this matter in particular? Well, citing the whole Kilmar Abrego-Garcia route, I find it very unlikely that a federal court is going to rubber stamp, Even an appellate court, given the 9-0 nature of the Supreme Court's ruling on Kilmar Brigo Garcia, this whole idea of unreviewable authority. It's something that the Trump DOJ trots out all the time, and they are always rejected on this issue.

55:54But we'll see what happens because this judge, Judge Brian Murphy, has had a ruling paused on the shadow docket before. It seems that Trump DOJ is really attacking him on the basis that prior rulings have been paused but not fully overturned on appeal. I think that the courts always move slowly and cautiously. But as I look at this opinion, it is so devastating. And it really lays out the radical nature of the power grab here and how it cuts against the science and cuts against the expertise that I think that Judge Murphy took a really cautious and careful approach to this ruling that I expect will stand up on appeal.

56:46Brian Tyler Cohen:Was there anything especially striking that you saw in this decision? Because oftentimes, you know, these judges are speaking out in a way that we haven't seen before. And so I'm just curious whether there was something from the decision itself that you think was especially unorthodox or unusual. It's not so much that it was unorthodox or unusual, but I think that Judge Murphy puts his finger on the atmosphere of distrust. And I thought he opened this ruling in a very moving way. He quoted Carl Sagan. And I'm going to read from the introduction, said, science, like law, is far from a perfect instrument of knowledge.

57:25History is littered with once universal truths that have since come under scrutiny. Nevertheless, Nevertheless, science is still the best that we have. And he's addressing the vaccine skepticism that is all over social media. But he goes and connects that to the law. And he says a little bit later, for our public health, Congress and the executive have built over decades an apparatus that marries the rigors of science with the execution and force of the United States government. One extraordinary product of that apparatus has been the eradication and reduction of certain communicable diseases through the development and use of vaccines.

58:05And I thought it was just a powerful way of laying it out there that we have since 1964 come up with a system that married the law and science that benefited from things like we don't have to think about measles unless someone mucks up the system. And I think that he really spoke to something in our culture, really spoke to and addressed the real distrust in many institutions, whether it's science and the law, and saying, look what we have accomplished with that. And look what we risk if we throw it all away.

58:43Brian Tyler Cohen:Look, as there continues to be a lot of distrust in institutions, one space where I think it's a little bit well-deserved is the media space, the legacy media space. And we have seen a number of institutions and formerly trusted outlets basically capitulate to Trump and show that it was more worth it to side with and kowtow to a despot as opposed to staying true to their own stated values. We're seeing the extent to which The Washington Post and CBS News and ABC in so many different instances thought it was more important to cozy up to Donald Trump. And so a small step that I would ask everybody watching right now to take is to support independent journalism, fearless independent journalism, and nobody does it better than Adam.

59:28Brian Tyler Cohen:So I'm going to put the link to All Rise News right here on the screen and also in the post description of this video. Adam is not owned by some major media conglomerate. It's him. He is doing this work by making sure to pay his own way and go all around the country wherever these cases are happening. And he has built a brand that is trusted, if nothing else. So I'm going to put, again, that link right here on the screen and also in the post description. If you're not yet signed up and you want to show some support for independent media, especially at a time where we need it, please make sure to subscribe.

59:58Brian Tyler Cohen:Adam, as always, thanks so much for your time. Thank you so much, Brian. Always a pleasure. Thanks again to Dan Pfeiffer, Jamie Raskin, and Adam Klasfeld. That's it for this episode. Talk to you on Sunday.

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