Trump screws himself after Supreme Court ruling

18:10Amy Klobuchar:These were stealth helicopters that came out of Area 51. This is 11 years ago or so ago, maybe longer now, to go kill Osama bin Laden. Nobody knew about these stealth helicopters. We didn't fund it. It wasn't a weapons program that was well-known. And it came out of Area 51, by the way, because that's where our AT programs come out of, our advanced tech programs come out of it. And the only reason we know about this, Brian, is because one of the helicopters crashed. And that's why we know that these helicopters existed. So there's definitely government programs that the American people are unaware of.

18:45Brian Tyler Cohen:So the only branch then that would have any insight into any of this would be the executive branch, because clearly, as a member of Congress, if sitting on the committee that you do sit on, if anybody would have some information, presumably it would be you and your colleagues who sit on that committee, but you guys have no insight into any of this stuff either.

19:02Amy Klobuchar:No, they've kept it from us. And when we've asked questions, they've tried to stop us. When we've tried to put language into bills about disclosure, there are people from government come down and go to the HIPSE committee, right, you know, and go to armed services and try to stop that stuff. So, you know, and that was the thing that we found most interesting on the oversight committee, which is if there's nothing there, why are people from the government trying to stop the language? Why did Harry Reid have such a hard time to get language in? Why did Chuck Schumer have such a hard time to get language in?

19:33Amy Klobuchar:Why did Marco Rubio have such a hard time? If there's nothing there, if it's all fake, if it doesn't exist, why are people in the government trying to stop it from coming out?

19:42Brian Tyler Cohen:And so last question here. Yes, it's your fault, Brian. It's your fault. To what extent is all of this my fault? So last question here. What can be done? What are you doing right now to try and get some more exposure onto this stuff?

19:59Amy Klobuchar:Well, I think you'll see maybe this week a bunch of us in Congress do a press conference on a bipartisan basis to try to talk about more disclosure, more information, to take the president's words and say, OK, now let's turn that into action. Let's get some of these documents out of the Pentagon, out of the Defense Department. Let's get some of these documents out and let's get it released to the American people.

20:23Brian Tyler Cohen:All right. Well, I am looking forward to that press conference. Please let me know if you need me to be there as the.

20:27Amy Klobuchar:I don't know if I'll be able to come out of my own disclosed location now that we've discussed this in detail, but if I am, I will be there.

20:35Brian Tyler Cohen:All right. Well, looking forward to it, Congressman, as always, appreciate the time.

20:38Amy Klobuchar:Thanks, Brian.

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21:58Brian Tyler Cohen:Eat like a pro this month with Factor. New subscribers only, varies by plan, one free breakfast item per box for one year while subscription is active. I'm joined now by the co-host for Pod Save America, Tommy Vitor. Tommy, thanks for joining. Brian, good to see you. Tommy, we have big news today as it relates to the Epstein files. There seems to finally be some consequences. I think we have a clip right here.

22:17Jared Moskowitz:Andrew Mountbatten Winther, formerly known as Prince Andrew of the UK, has reportedly been arrested. Officers reportedly arrived at a royal estate in eastern England earlier this morning to make the arrest of the former prince who turns 66 years old today.

22:34Brian Tyler Cohen:So we're not seeing consequences for those in America, but in the international community, definitely seeing some consequences. So can you speak about the situation unfolding with Prince Andrew in the UK?

22:42Jared Moskowitz:Yeah, so Prince Andrew, was arrested on Thursday. Actually, he's no longer Prince Andrew. He's been stripped of his titles because of his conduct with Jeffrey Epstein. He's now Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. That's quite a name. He was moved out of his massive castle into a slightly less massive. Two bedroom. Royal, I think it's like a five bedroom. But yes, he's a total creep. He was accused by Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims, of sexual assaulting her several times. However, the allegations in this case are not about, you know, possible sexual improprieties. They're about suspicion of misconduct in public office, specifically that he shared confidential government information with Epstein when he was a special trade representative.

23:23Jared Moskowitz:So it's a massive deal. It's a seismic event in British history. And I think pretty much far and away the most high profile individual to have faced consequences because of their association with Jeffrey Epstein, the second highest profile being a guy named Peter Mandelson, who was the former UK ambassador to the US. So again, another example of folks overseas, you know, having to face consequences for what they did. And while, you know, Donald Trump sitting in the White House.

23:49Brian Tyler Cohen:Do you think that this increases pressure for the people who are contained within the Epstein files here in the United States? Or do you think that we're just in an environment right now where the Trump administration is clearly hell bent on protecting these people? And it doesn't matter if the whole world gets locked up for their association with Jeffrey Epstein. If you're in the United States, if you are in the Trump orbit, you're going to be protected?

24:11Jared Moskowitz:It's a good question. I think it's likely to create more pressure because every time there's another investigation, journalists pull more strings, there's another court case where documents could be subpoenaed or found during these law enforcement searches. There's an opportunity to find more evidence, more names, more documentation of crimes or associations or photos or whatever it is. So I do think like Like the more, you know, what we've seen so far in the Epstein files is the more information that comes out leads to more questions, which leads to more investigations, which leads to more accountability.

24:43Jared Moskowitz:So hopefully this is going that way.

24:45Brian Tyler Cohen:I think the hard part for me to reconcile is how these people, I'm talking law enforcement officials, Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Kash Patel, they can proceed with this sense of impunity, like invincibility, that they can lie under oath. I mean, we had, you know, Todd Blanche and Pam Bondi just days ago said that there is no evidence of Trump committing a crime. Ted Lieu has brought out that evidence since. And we can talk about that momentarily. But but a lot of what these people are saying has been refuted by the actual evidence contained within the Epstein files. And you have the broader Epstein files that haven't even been released in accordance with the law.

25:19Brian Tyler Cohen:They were supposed to be released December 19th. And on top of that, you know that they have obfuscated every opportunity they've had to hide, you know, the co-conspirators and to, in some cases, expose who the victims themselves were. And yet there doesn't seem to be any sense that anything could ever backfire on these people, even from a legal perspective. You know, you worked in the White House. Like, is that why is that not a thought for any of these people as they barrel ahead with with, you know, this very much extrajudicial behavior?

25:50Jared Moskowitz:I think in this case, Trump has surrounded himself with a team who are just woefully unqualified to be here. Right. Like Pam Bondi is a fucking idiot. Cash Patel, the FBI director, has absolutely no business running that organization. These are people who owe their jobs, their loyalty, their livelihood going forward to Donald Trump. And he assumes, based on giving them those jobs, that they will do what he says. And it's clear to me that all those individuals are now involved in the cover up. I mean, Kash Patel said there was no credible information, quotes, that Epstein had trafficked women and girls to other powerful men.

26:23Jared Moskowitz:We saw in the last tranche of Epstein files tons of evidence that that had happened. So that can't possibly be true. We also don't know what Patel's FBI redacted or withheld before they turned the documents over to the DOJ for release as per the law, which you, I think, rightly pointed out. It has not actually been followed to the letter of the law, the law requiring the release of these files. So I think people like Pam Bondi—

26:47Brian Tyler Cohen:And an explanation of the redactions, by the way.

26:49Jared Moskowitz:Right, right. So I think people like Bondi, people like Patel, they know that the only way they keep their jobs is by doing Trump's bidding. And I think they probably also assume that on the back end, when they leave government, they'll get a pardon.

27:00Brian Tyler Cohen:And it's not just all of these other, the existence of all of these other co-conspirators who we know, based on what we've read in these files, have committed criminal activity. But Ted Lieu had also stood up on the House floor and offered up some information that was incriminating against Trump. Let's see that clip.

27:15Jared Moskowitz:Donald Trump is in the Epstein files thousands and thousands of times. In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations of Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children. So I encourage your press to go look at these allegations.

27:35Brian Tyler Cohen:So that was Ted Lieu making it abundantly clear that Trump himself is implicated in these files, which, by the way, again, directly refutes what Pam Bondi said when she claims that, you know, Trump had done that. There was nothing illegal tying Donald Trump to Epstein in the Epstein files. We know that's not true.

27:50Jared Moskowitz:Yeah. And so, I mean, we know that in the Epstein files that were released by DOJ, there are allegations that you and I have not been able to corroborate of misconduct or crimes by Donald Trump. And then you were saying that Ted Lieu said, no, no, no. What he's referencing there was not even in the DOJ release. It was something he had heard through, you know, a separate sort of investigation of his own, which all speaks to the fact that, look, I mean, you look at what DOJ is doing here and it's like, is it malevolence or is it incompetence? I mean, maybe both. It does seem like there is some amount of a cover up.

28:21Jared Moskowitz:And when Pam Bondi is pressed on what the hell she's doing over at DOJ, she screams, we should be talking about the Dow being at 50 ,000.

28:28Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, we should be talking about the Dow being at 50 ,000.

28:31Jared Moskowitz:Truly one of the most insane moments at a hearing I've ever seen in my life.

28:34Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah. And to your question of whether it's incompetence or malevolence, I think, Frankly, it's both because Pam Bondi was confronted on the fact that she hadn't even taken into account what these survivors have to say by Dan Goldman at the House Oversight Committee hearing just a few days back.

28:50Jared Moskowitz:There are 32 names. One is redacted. 31 are not. So someone looked at it and decided to redact something. And I will tell you that that is clearly intentional to intimidate these survivors and victims. now in a interview last week how will you tell me that's intentional in an interview in an interview last week deputy attorney general todd blanche can't go off script said that any victim that wants to speak with the department has done so hopefully well thanks to the incredibly brave people sitting here behind you we can actually ask them if that's true now with the survivors and victims who are here please stand up one more time just by show of hands how many of you or your loved ones actually have met with the department of justice and provided testimony and estimate and evidence none and of those of you who have not met which is everyone how many of you have reached out either individually or through a lawyer or representative to offer to provide testimony and evidence?

30:04Jared Moskowitz:All of them. And of those of you, all of you who have reached out, how many of you were denied or ignored by the Department of Justice? All of them. And despite the shameful and despicable efforts by Ms. Bondi and her department to intimidate you, how many of you are still willing to speak to the Department of justice. All of them. Well, Ms. Bondi, it looks like you have some more witnesses to talk to.

30:33Brian Tyler Cohen:So right there, you can see that this DOJ will, again, beat its chest as this beacon of accountability and transparency and looking out for the survivors and seeking punishment for those who participated in these crimes. But they can't even be bothered to meet with the survivors themselves.

30:49Jared Moskowitz:It's really a stunning moment. How is it possible that they have not met with those individuals, that they've not heard them out, that they've not taken testimony. I mean, these are serious crimes that we're talking about. They refuse to meet with these people. And then Pambani in that clip wouldn't even look at them. She wouldn't look them in the eyes. She wouldn't apologize for the way her office has mishandled the release of the files and exposed their names or exposed images of them naked. I mean, it's truly, it's like horrifying.

31:13Brian Tyler Cohen:Just from an optics perspective too, like I wonder what was going through her head when she was like, I want the photo of this moment. like the the the way that this moment is going to be memorialized to be all of these survivors standing behind me and me not even being bothered to turn around and look them in the eye it was

31:29Jared Moskowitz:like engineered to be the most callous image you could possibly create it yeah it kind of reminded me of the famous um i think it's called the seven dwarves image of all the tobacco ceos kind of getting sworn in at a hearing it's just like indelible iconic images of these seven scumbags who go on to testify and claim that nicotine isn't addictive and you know that cigarettes are fine for you basically. Like that's what it made me think of is Pam Bondi just ignoring these victims because she is terrified they will upset Donald Trump somehow. So she's yelling about the vow.

32:00Brian Tyler Cohen:Right. I mean, and that really is what it comes down to at the end of the day. And the sad part is, as far as Pam Bondi and Donald Trump are concerned, is that they're performing for an audience of no one at this point. Like they've lost all their influencers. They've lost Andrew Schultz and Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon, Brett Cooper, Sean Ryan, like all of these Manosphere podcasters, right wing podcasters who, you know, were groomed into thinking that. I don't think they were groomed.

32:24Jared Moskowitz:I mean, I think these are people who sincerely thought that what they were being told was real. And the assumption was, if you think back, was that like the Democrats were covering up the Epstein files because Bill Clinton was in them and that Donald Trump would have a political incentive to go after this information and expose them. And what we've all learned since is that Trump and Epstein were best friends.

32:43Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah. And so at this point, you know, they've lost all these people. The survivors can obviously see what's going on. You've got even Republicans, even though they won't admit it publicly, the fact that you've got Thomas Massey and Anna Paulina Luna and Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and formerly Marjorie Taylor Greene. MTG, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the fact that you've got all of these people who, but you look at somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, these are people whose brands are their fealty to Trump. That is their whole brand. And even these people are breaking with Trump because it's become so obvious what he's trying to do.

33:14Brian Tyler Cohen:and I don't know what this performance is for anymore but like it is impossible not to be able to see through it and then every day that this continues subsequently it just feels like more of a slap in the face it's just outright disdain for their own audience

33:28Jared Moskowitz:yeah it is look I mean I'm not someone who agrees with Marjorie Taylor Greene on much if anything but I do think she's kind of like a sincere person who came to the job as just like a normal lady and you know did a lot of CrossFit down in Georgia and like genuinely was horrified by what she learned about Jeffrey Epstein He genuinely thought Donald Trump would actually take steps to go after the people who abused these women and has been sickened and shocked by his reaction. I think, you know, it's pretty telling.

33:54Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, I do hope that some of this movement from overseas is going to at least have some impact. I can't imagine it makes these American officials' lives any easier. Like, do I think it's going to be enough pressure to actually move, you know, some prosecutors or whatever it may be to, like, take seriously people's involvement with the Epstein scandal? Who knows? especially if Pam Bonney's in charge of the DOJ. Is she going to do anything? Probably not. But it's not going to make their lives any easier. And it's only going to add to the immense pressure that they're already contending with to the point where Trump has lost his most vocal ally in the House.

34:28Brian Tyler Cohen:Polling is dismal on this topic. You've got midterms coming up. And now the framing, as far as the broader political zeitgeist is concerned, is you've got the working class versus the Epstein class. And Trump is lumped into the Epstein class.

34:40Jared Moskowitz:He is viewed as look. I think a lot of people supported Donald Trump because they hated Washington. They hated the system They rightly felt like it was corrupt and it was rigged against them And they thought that Donald Trump would go to DC and burn the place down and go after all the people that they hate And in fact, he's on the opposite. He is their biggest defender. He is keeping them out of jail He is taking their bribes to build his little ballrooms and then protecting them legislatively So I think it's like a perfect encapsulation of the ways Donald Trump has not drained the swamp he is just filling it back up.

35:10Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah. Okay, Tommy, we're going to switch gears a little bit here to a particularly interesting moment that actually involves me. Uh-huh, what'd you do? That is, I committed the cardinal sin of asking a former president whether aliens were real. I'm sure most people have seen this clip, but here's the quick clip. Are aliens real?

35:30Jared Moskowitz:They're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not being kept in, what is it?

35:35Brian Tyler Cohen:Area 51.

35:36Jared Moskowitz:Area 51. There's no underground. facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they they hid it from the president of the United States.

35:47Brian Tyler Cohen:What was the first question you wanted answered when you became president?

35:53Jared Moskowitz:Where are the aliens?

35:54Brian Tyler Cohen:Where are the aliens? So that was Obama confirming his belief that aliens are real but but not offering any proof as to the government knowing anything about it. It was pretty clear to me in the room I think you know you and I had spoken as well and I think it was pretty clear to you as well what he was what he was saying there that wasn't so when this interview

36:11Jared Moskowitz:was pitched to you they weren't like hey we'd love to confirm the existence of aliens but first let's do like let's do 44 minutes of other stuff that's not how it went down we want to do 44 minutes then

36:20Brian Tyler Cohen:we're going to break the biggest news of the century during the speed round the scoop of the century so so in any case it was pretty clear to me but uh apparently one of our one of our most

36:31Jared Moskowitz:frequent viewers uh he's your number one fan number one fan he's always commenting on your

36:36Brian Tyler Cohen:always come and it gets a little bit annoying it's a little yeah but uh he had something to

36:40Jared Moskowitz:say about it barack obama said that aliens are real have you seen any evidence of non-human

36:48Brian Tyler Cohen:visitors to earth well he gave classified information he's not supposed to be doing that

36:53Tommy Vietor:well i don't know if they're real or not i can tell you he gave classified information he's not supposed to be doing that he made he made a big mistake he took it out of classified information

37:04Amy Klobuchar:No, I don't. I don't have an opinion on it. I never talked about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it.

37:11Jared Moskowitz:You believe it, Peter? Well, the president can declassify anything that he wants to.

37:16Brian Tyler Cohen:I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

37:19Jared Moskowitz:We know illegal aliens, bro.

37:21Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah, illegal. Only illegals. So that was Donald Trump saying that Barack Obama spilled classified information by affirming the existence of aliens.

37:32Jared Moskowitz:Yeah. Do we think that's what happened here?

37:34Brian Tyler Cohen:I didn't think it was what happened until Trump said that it was classified information. The craziest part is, again, like the Internet was split as to whether Obama really was offering up some of the scoop of the century by talking about aliens. But but there was always like a real healthy degree of plausible deniability. But when Trump comes out and he says Obama just revealed classified information, there's no ambiguity there. He is saying that that is not only real, but classified.

38:02Jared Moskowitz:Do you think you'll be called to testify?

38:04Brian Tyler Cohen:I can't imagine I'm not. Can you imagine?

38:09Jared Moskowitz:You're sitting in court in like three years. You're like, yeah.

38:13Brian Tyler Cohen:Do you know the crazy thing is that isn't even the most far-fetched thing I could think of right now. I get hauled into a courtroom to testify on behalf of Barack Obama, who's being prosecuted for spilling state secrets about the existence of aliens in the speed round of my podcast.

38:26Jared Moskowitz:It would be memorable.

38:27Brian Tyler Cohen:It would be memorable.

38:28Jared Moskowitz:That's a good story for your second book.

38:29Brian Tyler Cohen:I mean, like, you know, you having worked for him, National Security Council spokesman, when he was president, what did you make of his answer? Because, like, there was a ton of discourse surrounding this question in particular. You know, there were plenty of people on the Internet who were perfectly content to jump down my throat and tell me that I'd missed the follow up of the century. But did it strike you as something that needed clarification?

38:54Jared Moskowitz:I mean, I saw some of those reactions. And my takeaway was that those people don't have the best kind of like reading or viewing comprehension. It was pretty clear to me that Obama was being like, yeah, I think aliens are real, but I never saw evidence of them. So like if he has not seen evidence and he obviously can't confirm something to you, he was just saying like, yeah, it's a big fucking place. Like, yeah, was it the Drake equation? Right. There's X number of stars and even more planets. And, you know, with the right conditions, the right numbers. So there's likely to be life out there somewhere.

39:23Jared Moskowitz:doesn't mean we know of it. But like if he anyway, the people are yelling you about falling up or deeply stupid, in my opinion. Point one, like he's a pretty cautious guy. I don't think he's going to disclose anything that even comes close to classified. Yeah. So I don't really think Trump's right there. I don't know, man. This like Trump's being an asshole.

39:44Brian Tyler Cohen:What did you make of the fact that that Obama issued his clarification? Is he is he an issue a clarification kind of guy?

39:51Jared Moskowitz:Not usually. What I assumed, and you can tell me if this is right, is that all of a sudden the internet ran with this. A bunch of news articles ran with this. And his staff was getting a trillion incoming questions about whether they could confirm or deny the existence of alien life. And they were like, Jesus Christ, let's just post something.

40:11Brian Tyler Cohen:Yeah, I think that's pretty safe. I remember seeing like K-File post online that he'd reached out to Obama's spokespeople for comments. And I was like, Jesus.

40:20Jared Moskowitz:Listen, I think it was a good story of a great, thoughtful, comprehensive interview. And then, you know, you do a little clickbait at the end and then you successfully clip and get it out there. And it's a great way to drive eyeballs to the whole thing.

40:34Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, you know, the interesting part was for all of the people saying that I should have asked a follow up. If there was a follow up and he had said what what you and I know he would have said, which is, you know, the universe is large. It's it's it's highly unlikely that that we're the only intelligent life in the universe. But, you know, I haven't seen any aliens, you know, in any government facility or anything like that. I think that that would have actually quashed all of the like the interesting part of this, which was the question of whether aliens are real or not. Like, I think the fact that there was no follow up actually drove a lot more conversation because it was that ambiguity that allowed the discourse to take a life of its own.

41:13Jared Moskowitz:Yeah, I guess it's just like to me, it was just a reminder that people on the Internet take everything so goddamn serious. Yeah. It's like everyone just relax. I just watch. He's clearly not saying.

41:25Brian Tyler Cohen:He's trying to do a speed round.

41:26Jared Moskowitz:He's just not.

41:26Brian Tyler Cohen:My next question was like, I had a question, like two questions. That was like, is Tupac real? Yes. Like that was. Look, we had 45 minutes of really heavy, like, you know, what I think is. Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff. Trump, authoritarianism. Yeah. Like we hit every topic, the future of the Democratic Party. We had, you know, the how how the party could and should look differently moving forward. The issue of age in politics, all this stuff. and uh like we should be able to have like like 120 seconds of just something like just goofing

41:55Jared Moskowitz:around yeah what'd you say is tupac alive and he said on my playlist he is that was it like exact same tenor and tone of that answer as the as the aliens one which is like yes they are but i don't

42:05Brian Tyler Cohen:know that there is a parallel universe where that was the clip that was clipped 100 and everyone's like tupac is real yes tupac is definitely he didn't deny it yeah how dare you not follow up

42:15Jared Moskowitz:on that. Is he literally living in his playlist? We'll never know because there was no follow-up. Come on, everybody.

42:21Brian Tyler Cohen:Well, with that said, that interview, of course, is on my YouTube channel for those who haven't seen it yet. Also, for those who are watching right now, highly recommend if you're not subscribed to Pod Save America's YouTube channel. Please help us grow this progressive media ecosystem. I'm going to put the link to Pod Save America's YouTube channel right here on the screen and also in the post description. Make sure that more people can listen to Tommy and hear what he's got to say. Look at that face.

42:45Brian Tyler Cohen:I'm joined now by U.S. Senator in Minnesota and current gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota, Amy Klobuchar. Thanks so much for joining me.

42:52Tommy Vietor:Well, thanks, Brian. Great to be on.

42:54Brian Tyler Cohen:So I want to talk about the new news as it relates to the Supreme Court. Trump just came out in the aftermath of the Supreme Court striking down his tariffs and said that he's going to basically double down. And so he said two things that I want to get your read on. The first was that there are going to be existing tariffs under Section 232 and 301 that are going to remain in place. And the second thing he said is that he's going to impose a 10 percent global tariff, so a new tariff under Section 122. Obviously, I'm not up on these different tariff statutes, but I want to get your your read here in terms of whether what he's saying is true or not.

43:31Tommy Vietor:I know you are super surprised that he is not just accepting the decision of the highest court of the land. I know you're also super surprised that he called them disloyal, unpatriotic, and way to boot, swayed by foreign interests. And that includes Gorsuch, Coney Barrett, and Roberts. That all aside, he has used several statues for tariffs. Two are the ones you mentioned that are more traditionally used, that 232, which is about national security interests. Other presidents have used that before on steel and things like that, aluminum. And then the second one is this 301, which is about violations of tariff agreements.

44:13Tommy Vietor:Those will still stand. They are more narrow. There has to be an investigation. I actually have been in favor of using those statutes for some things. That's why we have tariffs, right? Especially when steel dumping is going on and the like. But again, he's overused them. But let's go to what really happened here. The IEPA statue, sounds cute but isn't, is the one that he used to assess these across the board tariffs. That's where the court said, wait a minute, it doesn't have the word tariff in it. You can't do it this way. So his response, of course, was to go after the justices and also to go after, I guess, the chamber and all the small businesses that brought the case.

44:54Tommy Vietor:But now here's this kind of scary part in terms of the future. He has said that he's going to use another statue, and that was your second question, 122. This really hasn't been used in that way. I don't believe it'll be upheld. I don't know. But there is a catch with this, which is why he didn't use it before. After 150 days, Congress can step in and say, no, we're not going to extend this. Congress has recently shown by passing something to throw out the Canadian tariffs that even some Republicans are realizing this is horrible economic policy and voting with us to get rid of the tariffs. So that's a problem he's got under that thing.

45:37Tommy Vietor:Plus, is it even legal? Will it even fit it? Is he even going to do what he says? And then meanwhile, we've got people that are going to want refunds, including every consumer in America that lost$1 ,700 last year. But that aside, it's a lot of importers in the U.S. How will it be passed on? That's what he should be focused on. But instead, he's just lashing out at everyone and blaming everyone else instead of taking responsibility for getting our economy on a better track.

46:05Brian Tyler Cohen:If he does move forward with the implementation of the 10 percent global tariff under Section 122, which it seems like he's hellbent on doing, and he has what you said, 150 days that this lasts 150 days before it has to be reauthorized by Congress. Is that correct? So, I mean, isn't that putting Republicans in a miserable position of having to now be the ones to shoulder the burden in an election year of continuing tariffs that are already unpopular, already raising the prices of everything from food to clothing to toys to electronics? Like, isn't that screwing over his own party just months before voters are going to be casting their ballots?

46:44Tommy Vietor:But he doesn't seem to care. He literally called the Supreme Court justices, the conservatives he had put on their rhinos at this press conference. I heard it. And that's why I don't think he cares. And so they have already started to say, of course, behind closed doors over and over again, especially northern states, telling him that these Canadian tariffs are a disaster. Carney, who's a smart prime minister, is starting to make deals with other countries. What else is he's supposed to do? And we're going to lose long-term markets because of these tariffs. So who knows what he'll say tomorrow.

47:20Tommy Vietor:But today, the response was anger and chaos, which is what we're used to every day from this White House. The checks on him, the midterms, big, big, massive check on him. The court clearly at times will stand up. And the people of this country who in poll after poll, especially now independents, moderate Republicans are saying They hate the cost. They hate the chaos. They hate the corruption.

47:46Brian Tyler Cohen:OK, so I want to switch gears here. You have announced your gubernatorial run in Minnesota. What's going to be your priority as governor of Minnesota?

47:54Tommy Vietor:Well, Minnesota has been through a lot, and that's not sugarcoating it because we've had, of course, the assassination of former Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, 20 some people gunned down little kids in a church through stained glass windows. And then The Current, which is 3 ,000 ICE agents on our street with Minnesotans standing up and showing the world that we're not just the center of America's heartbreak, we're also the center of America's hope and courage. So I learned from Governor Walz at the end of the year that the beginning of this year that he had decided that he wasn't going to run.

48:36Tommy Vietor:And I had to make a very quick decision. I love my job. I think you know that. But I love my state more. So my focus on being the governor of the state of Minnesota, if the people give me that trust, is going to be to be a transformative governor. We need to get to a higher ground. And to me, that means getting stuff done for our state. I've got a track record of doing that. It means bringing people together. If I can pass a bill with Ted Cruz while Donald Trump is in office, I can do some pretty good things for our state. And then the third thing is standing up for what's right. We don't need a rubber stamp of Donald Trump.

49:15Tommy Vietor:I have seven Republican opponents right now. So it's standing up for what's right, but it's also fixing what's wrong. And so I'm really excited about this campaign right now. All right.

49:26Brian Tyler Cohen:So give me some specifics. What would you like to see at the end of, you know, let's say you've got two terms of governor of Minnesota under your belt. If you've accomplished what would make it a success?

49:38Tommy Vietor:Bringing costs down for the people of Minnesota, that means more housing. That means child care. There's all kinds of innovative things going around our state that I think would be really helpful. And it means bringing health care costs down. I also want to get to a point in our state where people feel good again about what's going on in our country. Some of that, of course, is going to be changing who's in the White House. but a lot of it is going to be getting to a better place in our own state. Our state is the state that brought the world everything from the pacemaker to the post-it note and we've got to conquer our next frontier and that's going to be educating our kids and making sure that people can buy their first house.

50:22Tommy Vietor:So that's what I'm going to do as governor and it is a time like no other and for me I've been just telling everyone that's been 50 ,000 people and I was in that march, who stood up when it was 10 below zero and marched, that this is our moment to not look away, to not look down, but to look at each other and look up to the North Star and move forward together. So part of this as a leader is just bringing that sense of optimism in one of the toughest times we've ever seen. And I do that in the memory of Alex Preddy, gunned down in the middle of the day or Renee Good. We know how hard this is going to be for their families in the year and with them.

51:09Brian Tyler Cohen:Thanks again to Jared Moskowitz, Tommy Vitor and Amy Klobuchar. That's it for this episode. Talk to you Wednesday. You've been listening to No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen, produced by Sam Graber, music by Wellesley and interviews edited for YouTube by Nicholas Nicotera. If you want to support the show, please subscribe on your preferred podcast app and leave a 5 star rating and a review.