Little Fish: Pope Guilty the First

23 Aug 2026 · 31 min · 12 chapters

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In short

Listener-submitted “facts” and banter, ranging from anthropology and linguistics to science, music history, and odd survival stories; the episode ends with Patreon “custodian” facts.

Guests (hosts)

James Harkin, Dan Schreiber, and Anna Tashinsky (all in their homes; podcast from the makers of No Such Thing As A Fish).

Key claims / notable examples

  • Kadang people of Indonesia prohibit pointing at rainbows, Ursa Major, and small young pumpkins (linked to weaving rules).
  • Four moose brought to Newfoundland in 1904; today ~125,000 moose.
  • A man was shot over the pronunciation of “Newfoundland,” with a deathbed confession years later.
  • Penicillin’s development credited to Fleming plus Florey and Chain; Chain later associated with Yakult/probiotics.
  • “Heartbreak Hotel” was first recorded by an Elvis impersonator demo sent to Elvis.
  • A man wedged naked in a washing machine; freed with olive oil.
  • Heliconia plants use hummingbirds to transport flower mites.
  • Pope Innocent VIII nicknamed “The Honest” for acknowledging illegitimate children.

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Chapters

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Fact from Benjamin Snitkoff

1:13 to 1:40

Discussion about cultural prohibitions among the Kadang people.

“I've got a good one from a well-named chap called Benjamin Snitkoff.”

Arbitrary Prohibitions

1:40 to 2:50

Exploration of various unusual cultural prohibitions.

“I know they connected for the same reason.”

Moose Facts from Newfoundland

2:55 to 3:38

Interesting facts about moose in Newfoundland after their introduction.

“Today, there's roughly 125 ,000 moose, one for every four Newfoundlanders.”

Deadly Pronunciation Dispute

3:38 to 5:30

A tale of a fatal fight over pronunciation in a frontier town.

“And I've been given a handy pronunciation guide by Christopher, who says Newfoundland is New-fun-land, not Newfoundland.”

Penicillin Pioneers

5:30 to 11:00

Discussion of the contributions of Flory and Chain to antibiotics.

“And so he thought, okay, well, that's it.”

Washing Machine Prank

11:05 to 14:00

Humorous story about a man stuck in a washing machine.

“The fact is that before the song Heartbreak Hotel was sung and recorded by Elvis Presley, it was first sung and recorded by an Elvis impersonator.”

The Naked Washing Machine Incident

14:00 to 16:46

A humorous story about a man who got stuck in a washing machine and the unconventional methods used to help him escape.

“That's a funny joke for someone else who's trying to put a wash on.”

Unusual Rescue Methods

16:46 to 22:31

Discussion on various rescue scenarios and the effectiveness of using olive oil for freeing stuck individuals.

“And she was stuck for ages and they tried loads and loads of stuff like chipping away at the rock.”

Pope Innocent VIII and His Illegitimate Children

22:31 to 28:00

A light-hearted examination of Pope Innocent VIII's life and the implications of his actions on the church's stance on celibacy.

“I bet that ruined the massive paycheck that came his way.”

Papal History and Celibacy

28:00 to 28:32

Exploration of historical aspects of the Catholic Church and celibacy.

“But it was back in the day in the Catholic Church.”
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Fact Exchange and Fun Anecdotes

28:32 to 29:39

A lighthearted exchange of amusing facts and anecdotes among hosts.

“Yeah, I wonder what at the meeting when they were like, okay, listen, Pope Innocent VIII has been having a lot of kids.”

Audience Engagement and Patreon Promotion

29:39 to 30:44

Hosts engage with their audience and promote their Patreon for fan involvement.

“Okay, thank you very much to Michelle, Jill, Carla, Hamish, Jonah, Alex, Michael, and Tova.”
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0:43Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of Little Fish. This is the podcast from the makers of No Such Thing As A Fish where we put down our facts and we look at the incredible facts that you guys have been sending to podcast at qi.com. I am sat here in an undisclosed location known only to me and my family because it's my house and Dan Schreiber is in his house and Anna Tashinsky is in her house and we will be talking facts. So which of you would like to go first with an amazing audience fact?

1:16Dan Schreiber:I've got a good one from a well-named chap called Benjamin Snitkoff. Ooh. And I know. Really strong. And he says, I'm reading a terrific book called Gesture, which does look like a really good book actually by Lauren Gorn. And he came across this fact that the Kadang people of Indonesia have a prohibition on pointing at rainbows, Ursa Major and small young pumpkins.

1:44James Harkin:I know they connected for the same reason. Did the three of them have like a night out? The pumpkins, the rainbows, Ursa Minor.

1:52Dan Schreiber:And they're just banished. Yeah. God, I'd love to see what that night out would look like. but I do not know. It does seem pretty arbitrary, like you're getting to the end of the rule book and you've got pages to fill. I've heard of people not pointing at rainbows before, actually. I think that one might be, I mean, none of these are particularly common, but I think that one's a little bit more common than the others. Okay. Okay, yeah, I can sort of see that. You know, they've got a magical quality to them.

2:16James Harkin:Are you allowed to acknowledge them? Are you allowed to be like, psst, hey, go up?

2:19Dan Schreiber:I think as long as you do whisper like that. Yeah, right. And then you hide behind a bush immediately. Psst, guys, rainbow. I looked them up and their main prohibition seems to be about weaving. That's the main thing that always comes up is that they're not allowed to make their own clothes, which sounds like it was just really inconvenient back in the day. So you just always had to buy clothes from a different tribe.

2:38James Harkin:Promotes social life. You get to meet others, you know.

2:43Dan Schreiber:Do you know what, Dan? You have hit the nail on the head of why people say that they used to do it. There you go. Part of like agreements, you know, back and forth agreements with other trading groups, other people. so you should be an anthropologist because i just thought what a stupid ban but what happens when they go to market and they're trying to buy some clothes and then the person they're buying them off points a small baby pumpkin and then they get into a huge argument and then you that's how wars start isn't it it is right yeah yeah that's great i got one here from christopher mckay

3:18James Harkin:who says four moose were brought to Newfoundland from Miramushi, New Brunswick, in 1904, 45 years before Newfoundland joined Confederation. Today, there's roughly 125 ,000 moose, one for every four Newfoundlanders.

3:38Dan Schreiber:Cool. Yeah. All from those four.

3:41James Harkin:And I've been given a handy pronunciation guide by Christopher, who says Newfoundland is New-fun-land, not Newfoundland. I thought it was Newfoundland. Yeah, well, my goodness, this is a hot potato. This is a young pumpkin being pointed at, because it doesn't seem to have a consensus amongst anyone. Apparently, Christopher says, as non-Atlantic Canadians are wont to say about Newfoundland. but I found a story where it got so chaotic that in 1876 a man was shot dead over his pronunciation

4:21Dan Schreiber:of Newfoundland oh my god how did he pronounce it we know we don't know which of the two who

4:28James Harkin:got in the fight with pronouncing it either way but it was either Newfoundland or Newfoundland the the annunciation was on found and land at the time and so it says mill workers in the frontier town of Larkspur, Colorado, saw two men enter a cabin in search of a dictionary. Seconds later, they heard a gunshot. And so it was mill worker William Acheson. He first off threw a punch at John P. Davis. John P. Davis then pulled out a gun and shot him in the stomach and he died. How do we know what happened there? Because they've gone into the house, right? We only have the say-so of the person who came out.

5:07James Harkin:Yes. And not even quite that, James, for a very long time, because John P. Davis, who came out, immediately went on the run, just immediately fled town. And no one heard from him for years and years and years until 1912, when he was on his deathbed, and he made a deathbed confession to say that we got in a fight about the pronunciation of this word, and I shot him to death. And so he thought, okay, well, that's it. It's out there. I'm going to die now it got reported in the newspapers but then he got better he wasn't expecting to get better so the brothers of the deceased man came chasing after him and he had to get out of his now no longer deathbed and went on the run again and we don't know we don't know how the story ends sounds like he wasn't even very sick to be honest and also i i mean i think i can infer what's happened here right this guy has shot his mate you're only going to shoot him if it turns out that you're wrong the dictionary proved them right and you get so annoyed that you shoot them that's what i reckon i can't think of any other way that that went where he ended up shooting his mate so i think not only probably the worst thing about this whole thing is that he was proved wrong

6:19Dan Schreiber:by the dictionary it is so right the wrong man died he was the one that deserved to die yeah

6:26James Harkin:Yeah, absolutely.

6:28Dan Schreiber:Here is a fact sent in by the Reverend Canon Ben Jones, which Andy Helpfully puts afterwards. He's a vicar. And he says... Not a piece of artillery. Maybe that too. He says, I just listened to your Little Fish episode from the 15th of March, where you talk about footballers in the same team with the same name. Even better, in my opinion, is that during the 2003-4 season, Fulham replaced the Scottish midfielder John Collins with the Liberian-born Dutch striker James is nodding Collins John So good, I love it They must have done it on purpose I forgot about that, that's a brilliant fact It's really good, no more to say on that Okay, well in that case, here's one from Dan Connolly And Dan Connolly said the Louisiana Museum of Modern Art can be found in...

7:31Any guesses?

7:34James Harkin:Modern Art? Is that a place? I don't know. It's Louisiana, obviously. Oh, Dan, you idiot. That's so embarrassing. Oh, dear. No, it's in Denmark, just north of Copenhagen. and the name comes from the estate on which the museum was built, which was called Louisiana by its first owner called Alexander Brun. And he named it after his three wives, all of whom had been called Louise.

8:05Isn't that amazing?

8:06Dan Schreiber:I think at wife number three, you've done it on purpose. You're just on the lookout. Unless it was an unbelievably common name around that time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like how, you know, in the ninth century, 90 % of people were called John. Was there a time when everyone in Denmark was called Louise? Yeah. And the thing is, no one really knows what's going on because the museum was built quite a long time after this Alexander Brunn had gone. And the guy who built it, who was called Knud Jensen, they asked him about it. And he said, well, I don't really know anything about him apart from the fact that he had three wives called Louise.

8:42And so I think it kind of seems like that's really all we know about this guy

8:48James Harkin:Well, while we're on names, can I chuck in another listener name fact that's been sent in? This is from Chris Topping Chris Topping, in 1945, Flory and Chain received a Nobel Prize alongside Fleming for isolating the first antibiotics I've stumbled across a researcher called Florian Chain Who appears to be in the field of probiotics So you've got Florian Chain And now we have Florian Chain Wonderful This is, yeah, and Florian Chain Not the most known names But they were the people who helped give us penicillin So it was Fleming who had noticed the mold in the Petri dish and had tried doing stuff with it, but he couldn't yield much antibiotic out of it.

9:38James Harkin:And it was Flory, an Aussie, who with chain made penicillin into something more palatable for our bodies. And he's been called by people like former prime minister Robert Menzies as in terms of world wellbeing, Flory was the most important man ever born in Australia. He's saved up to 80 million people plus. And if you remember the very first time that penicillin was used on a person, It was in Oxford and it was a police officer. And unfortunately, it worked at first, but then they couldn't yield enough to keep it going to save him. And he died. But they were the doctors that were part of that process, that were doing the first tests on humans to show that it could be something that would save us.

10:21James Harkin:Wow. I've never heard of them. Honestly, I've never heard of those two names ever.

10:26Dan Schreiber:Yeah, you've got to be the guy who comes up with the accidentally discovered, went away on holiday, came back to find mold in my Petri dish. You can't just be the, oh, we turned it into something that was genuinely useful, it turns out.

10:38James Harkin:Yes.

10:38Dan Schreiber:How annoying.

10:39James Harkin:And the other guy, Chain, equally amazing. He was a Jewish scientist in Nazi Germany. He came over to the UK. He was given a position at the University College Hospital by, friend of the podcast, JBS Haldane. And he then met up with Florian. They came up with the method. So yeah, awesome history. Two unrecognized people, certainly on a popular scale, who changed the world.

11:04Dan Schreiber:so cool and then there's florian chain person who came up with yakult apparently um that's

11:10James Harkin:basically probiotics isn't it okay i see i think i think they work in probiotics i'm not necessarily

11:15Dan Schreiber:sure they invented yakult something similar apologies to florian if you did very cool such a cool connection to see that must have been a really exciting moment uh i have a fact here from Giles McNeil. This is such a cool fact. Very cool spot. The fact is that before the song Heartbreak Hotel was sung and recorded by Elvis Presley, it was first sung and recorded by an Elvis impersonator.

11:48Dan Schreiber:And it was before Elvis was even that famous. What is going on? This is this person who writes in Giles is citing rock and roll researcher Andrew Hickey, who says that Heartbreak Hotel is written by three people called Tommy Durden, Mae Axton and Glenn Reeves. And it was Glenn Reeves who didn't want credit for the song himself because apparently he thought it was ridiculous. So instead he thought there's this bloke called Elvis who I've heard sung a few little ditties here and there. I think it might suit his silly voice. So he recorded a demo of the song but did it in an Elvis impersonation to send to Elvis to say, look how much this suits your style.

12:28Dan Schreiber:And he sent the Elvis impersonation to Elvis himself. And then Elvis thought, yeah, that's good. I'll do that. Impersonating my own self.

12:37James Harkin:That's very cool. So cool. I read a fact the other day, which is to do also with a songwriter for an Elvis song. I think it was for Hound Dog. This person was out on an Atlantic ship out in the ocean. And something happened. There was a disaster. And the ship went down. They had to be rescued. People thought they might have been dead. they were brought back to the mainland, probably America, I'm guessing. And at the sort of dock standing there was the co-writer of Hound Dog yelling to the guy on the ship who's just been saved, Elvis has recorded Hound Dog! Elvis has recorded Hound Dog! He was like, yes, this is the greatest, it's more important than saying, are you okay?

13:25okay here is an email we got through from joshua ghani and joshua said that they found a news article and they've read it many times because they love it so much and they wanted to send it us to see if we would enjoy it and it was about an australian man who became wedged naked in his washing machine during a prank and this this man is known only as lawrence uh and he told the newspapers that he decided to have a bit of sneaky fun while in the nude uh but climbed in the washing machine and found that he couldn't get fully out and had to call for assistance basically he got in crossed his legs and then couldn't uncross them in a way that he could get back out again and so the article's really good there's so many good lines in it for instance the self-proclaimed practical joker says he is known among his friends as lawrence he's always nude and why do we know why he's got that nickname it's just i think i think it might be something to do with his practical jokes but on the other hand like who is he trick who is he joking if he's climbing into a washing machine naked.

14:44Dan Schreiber:That's a funny joke for someone else who's trying to put a wash on. That's a good practical joke. If he lives alone and it's just his washing machine, it's very confusing. But provided he's got a housemate. Do you think his trick is the housemate throws the clothes in and then he quickly puts all the clothes on so he's not naked anymore and then climbs out and goes, ta-da!

15:03James Harkin:Oh, that's so good. Yes.

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15:05Dan Schreiber:And they go, God, I didn't know it had that kind of cycle.

15:08James Harkin:Yeah. I think that would have to be an industrial size washing machine wouldn't it do you think I couldn't I couldn't get into any washing machine but if I go to the laundromat I reckon I could definitely get into one of those I think like some places would have top loaders that you would be able to get into you know in the olden days they were a bit more common weren't they and I think in America they might be more common maybe but that wouldn't be impressive I don't

15:32Dan Schreiber:think getting in a top loader I assumed it was a front loader because that's what's really

15:36James Harkin:impressive yeah if you can get into one is it about being impressive or is it oh you're naked in a tubular that's hilarious you're right you're right it's not a circus it's just a weirdo you're right anyway so they um they worked through his bathroom cabinet of soaps and lotions trying to work him free and then in the end they turned to olive oil and they managed to get him out and they said actually it was useful that he was naked because it made it easier for him to slip straight out if the olive oil was on his clothes then it might not have been quite as slippy or easy to slip him out very nice and he said that the whole thing was like a birthing and he thanked the emergency workers for keeping their composure and not asking too many questions

16:26James Harkin:i sympathize with the locked legs i've had that before where i put my legs into a into a um that I crossed them over each other and I locked in and I couldn't get out.

16:36Dan Schreiber:Yeah, bad for men. Men are particularly bad at cross legs, I think. Much worse than women. That's so weird, the olive oil thing, because it's been in the news this week that a girl got wedged between two rocks on a school trip in somewhere like Dorset or Devon. And she was stuck for ages and they tried loads and loads of stuff like chipping away at the rock. And eventually it was olive oil that freed her. Interesting. So always carry olive oil with you on a survival expedition. That is amazing. As a kid, you would always hear of people getting their heads stuck in railings, wouldn't you? Yeah.

17:06Like basically kids' heads grow as they're getting older. And suddenly a railing that you can put your head in and out of suddenly becomes a railing that you can only put your head in and you can't get it out because your ears get stuck. Yes. My memory of that is people would always use maybe not olive oil when I was a kid because I think olive oil only became fashionable when I was in my 20s. But I think people would use like vegetable oil and soap and stuff, wouldn't they?

17:32James Harkin:Yeah, that was as a kid growing up in Hong Kong, one of the big TV shows was Full House. Don't know if you got it here, but Bob Saget was dad. And there was a group of daughters in the family. And the middle girl, there was a rumor that she was at Disneyland or a theme park and she had put her head through the rails by a roller coaster and it came down and it took her head straight off and that she was dead. Now, back in the day, there was no internet. So that was just at school. That's what we thought had happened. She had died. that was always part of I haven't actually googled it oh well look we're working from home you're on your laptop why don't you check you guys get on with the business of actual facts I just feel like you can't leave that hanging yeah

18:15Dan Schreiber:I was desperate for the happy ending reveal and it turns out she's now Madonna because especially if she was killed in that way I'll definitely cut it

18:24James Harkin:yes yes she was not she is alive she's alive she's alive yes yeah she's missing half her head though that's okay just took off the top um here's one from alexis grant a lot of heliconia are hummingbird pollinated so heliconia is a type of plant and the hummingbirds sometimes also move flower mites that live in the Heliconia around inside their nostrils. The mites only get off when they get to another flower of the same species, even if the hummingbird visits flowers of multiple species.

19:06Dan Schreiber:Oh, wow. What if the hummingbird sneezes really violently when it's visiting a plant of another species? They still manage to cling on to those nose hairs and wait. Does not recount the email from Alexis. But I think it's pretty amazing that they're using these hummingbirds as Ubers. yeah really good and know when to get off as well yeah so more like a bus i suppose like pigeons on the underground yeah these heliconia are quite cool because um they want their pollen to get into the hummingbird's face as well as the mites they don't care about the they just want the pollen and they have like a jack-in-the-box mechanism so when the hummingbird goes into the heliconia plant it goes and then hits them in the face and they get a load of pollen all over them is that why it's called helico because helico you assume is a spiral and is it like a spirally spring that bioroings up do you think email doesn't recount does it it doesn't you know what i was googling heliconia and it's also the name of a butterfly and it's also the name of like a mountain in greece or something so i wouldn't i thought when i was googling it oh i bet it's named after that mountain in greece but i didn't check it out because I thought no one's going to ask that.

20:20Dan Schreiber:No, it'd be a real dick move, wouldn't it? When we know that you probably haven't happened to Google the answer. Yeah, what kind of person does that? Can I share another fact? Sent in by Rick Minatt. I know it's a fact Andy would want us to hear. He says that while discussing the relative safety of being stuck on a train engine during a tornado, I discovered that manufacturers are required by law to test the windows on engines by launching a 24 pound cinder block into the glass at 30 miles an hour wow so good and then he said seeing as it's an amusing fact about a dull subject i thought andy would enjoy it but he does provide the workings and it is indeed true cinder blocks are hurled at 30 miles an hour i don't know what from from a from a cannon that's incredible yeah that's amazing really cool a fun job to have being the person who holds that i wonder what

21:13James Harkin:But the protocol is you just got to sit in a train while it passes, right? There's nothing else really you can do. What do you mean? What do you mean, sorry? If you're in a train during a tornado.

21:24Dan Schreiber:Oh, you're still thinking about the tornado. I thought you meant while they're testing it by throwing the cinder block out. I don't think they actually put anyone in it at this time.

21:31James Harkin:Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, your conductor here. We're just being held at this station to quickly run a cinder block into the window next year. I reckon they'd go into a tunnel, wouldn't they? Oh, good shout.

21:43Dan Schreiber:Good shout.

21:43James Harkin:I don't know. Yeah, how many tunnels are out there in Kansas, you know? No hills to go through, is there? Yeah, it's very famously flat.

21:51Dan Schreiber:A tough choice for that train driver.

21:53James Harkin:When your conductor says, this train now terminates at Oz, you know you're in trouble. You know, in The Wizard of Oz, the book, I don't think it says tornado, I think it says cyclone. and when the book was first published the head of the u.s meteorological organization wrote to l frank baum saying um that there is never in history and there never will be a cyclone in kansas because it's physically impossible to have cyclones in kansas oh really some technical difference between a tornado and a cyclone because you do get tornadoes there for sure Yeah, right.

22:32Dan Schreiber:Oh, wow. Well, I bet he felt stupid. I bet that ruined the massive paycheck that came his way. Okay, okay. Well, it is the end of Your Facts, as amazing as they were. Like every week, we really love getting your facts. And if you have any facts indeed, then send them to podcast.qi.com. Andy will check through them and send us the very best for a future little fish. But before we go today, we have the small matter of dishing out some of our facts to custodians on Patreon. So who has a fact to give out?

23:10James Harkin:Let's give a fact to Tova Cooper. Your fact is now the Millennium Bug is going to hit in 2038. Uh-oh. When we did that fact, it felt like a long way in the future, didn't it? Yeah, we're close now. we're getting close um yeah that's kind of sort of a scary fact to have framed up on your wall

23:34Dan Schreiber:as i imagine this person will it's a good reminder it might make you live life a bit more knowing that the end of time is is on its way oh yes memento mori yeah although if you do want reassurance i think it was just like the three computers that still work off an old system will break down just in case you do look at it every day and have a small heart attack thinking the end is nigh. I think it just means your old computer might have a rough time. Okay, well, that's nice to know. How about this for Michael Woolard? This is the fact that the diaries of scientist Richard Buckminster Fuller took up 80 metres of shelf space.

24:11Dan Schreiber:Wow. What a self-involved teenager he was. Or he just liked big fonts. Yeah. Font. Do you write your diaries in a font? actually people probably do type up their diaries now don't they i loved doing that particular fact

24:27James Harkin:when you find a character like him spaceship earth and all of those incredible inventions that he did he only slept like 20 minutes at a time or something he had was it called dimaxian sleep or something that he did yes he would just yes wasn't that his word that he made

24:42Dan Schreiber:up dimaxian which was like and he all his designs were based on this dimaxian concept and i can't

24:47James Harkin:remember what it was it was just like to the max sleep maxing sleep maxing um let's give another one out this is for jonah yarick and your fact is in 1511 the people of brussels protested against the government by filling the city with dozens of pornographic snowmen that's great that was a great one 1511 to be doing that is a that's that's one of those aren't we all the same you know no matter of which bit of history yeah i can't remember how porny they were do we think it was just sort of carrots for penises i think they were they were a little bit more than that wow you're right though like back then it might have been just the snow woman was showing her ankle you know exactly or like maybe all snowmen are pornographic but you can't really tell because it's so cold You just can't see their genitals Nice Okay this one is now Going out to Alex Borodovsky And Alex your fact Is that in 2015 Australian scientists Named a newly discovered Species of fish the blue bastard Love it I think the reason was That it was a bastard to catch I think that's why they called it a bastard

26:05Dan Schreiber:It wasn't that it was just always born out of wedlock I don't think so. This one is for Hamish McClellan. And this is that Harris Hawks stand on each other's shoulders to get a better view. I can still picture. I think there's one photo of, I want to say four Harris Hawks standing one on top of the other. I may have hallucinated that, but this is amazing. Because you'd think they'd just fly. Yeah, you would. So why do they do it? I guess it's hard to fly on the spot. Or maybe they're disguising themselves to get into a club. Yeah. Yes. They just have one overcoat over them. Is that right? Stole it from a snowman.

26:46James Harkin:That's a good point. At what point is a height that it's worth expending the energy? It certainly can't be just double your height, because that's why they stand on their shoulders.

26:56Dan Schreiber:Worth expending the energy to fly.

26:57James Harkin:To fly, exactly. Yeah.

26:59Dan Schreiber:Yeah. Once sort of hawk number 19 says, shall I go up there? It's just like, shall we all just fly? This is getting silly But also I think like if you're a hawk Right let's be generous and say they're Two feet tall which I bet They're not like if you were to get Three of them on top of each other that's still Only what six feet It's not like Exactly the only way it could be possibly useful Is if they're in like tall grass or something Oh maybe it's that Or a very low wall Or a ha ha Ha ha ha We'll never know unless we listen back to that episode Okay, here is another one This one now is under the custodianship of Carla And Carla, your fact is that Pope Innocent VIII Was given the nickname The Honest Because he was the first Pope to acknowledge That he had illegitimate children Good on him A load of blue bastards

28:00James Harkin:Oh, that's so good. Pope Innocent VIII.

28:04Dan Schreiber:So noble. So noble. But it was back in the day in the Catholic Church. I think everyone could shag as much as they wanted. I think I remember reading that the only reason people made celibacy a thing was because people kept giving their illegitimate sons loads of land that otherwise would have gone to the church. And so the church decided to say, OK, you've got to stop having sex because we want your land. God doesn't actually care. God is pro-sex. I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons. How interesting. Okay. Who's the new Pope? What's he called? God, I should know that. Robert Prevost.

28:35I don't know what his papal name is. Oh, yeah. But Rob, you need to get on this. Yeah.

28:41Dan Schreiber:Bring shagging back.

28:44James Harkin:Yeah, I wonder what at the meeting when they were like, okay, listen, Pope Innocent VIII has been having a lot of kids. What are we going to do about the name? Do we go for Pope Guilty I Or do we go for The Honest and just lean into it And just say well done And they clearly went for that Let's get another one, this is for Jill Jill, your fact is now that in 2015 Spanish builders accidentally Destroyed a 6 ,000 year old Neolithic tomb that looked like A picnic table and replaced it With a new and better looking Picnic table That's just progress that's just improving the area you're right this is great this is one of yours wasn't it dan it was it's one of my favorites i think it's amazing yeah some of these are like little children aren't they when you hear them again yeah there you are where have you been what have you been up to lately well you're moving into jill's now you're gonna be on her wall so enjoy yeah really good all right

29:45Dan Schreiber:here's a final one and this is to move into the home of michelle kilpatrick here you go michelle here's a fact for you and that's the fact that for Queen Elizabeth's coronation in 1953 people dressed up as television sets lovely because they were new basically that people were excited because it was on telly yeah stuff was on telly people had tellies yeah it's like us it's like how we always dress up as um TikTok now yes I'm dressed up as TikTok right now you

30:16James Harkin:Sure, yeah, it's a really good costume. Okay, thank you very much to Michelle, Jill, Carla, Hamish, Jonah, Alex, Michael, and Tova. You now have some brand new facts to hang on your wall, and we really hope you cherish them and enjoy them. If you too would like to become a custodian of a fact, then go to patreon.com slash clubfish and join at the highest level, and that is where you can do that. but if you do not want to do that then do not worry because we will be back next week with another little fish and in a couple of days with a big fish for now it's goodbye from me james harkin it's goodbye from daniel so long and it's goodbye from anna tashinsky bye

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Dan finally learns the truth about a playground rumour, while he, Anna and James discuss YOUR facts . This week's subjects include naughty Newfoundlanders, olive oil, and pointing at pumpkins. And the gang announce eight more Friend of the Podcast custodians.

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