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23:26This is so dangerous. I know, I'm listening. I can hear listeners' marriages cracking up all over the place. The trick is not to ask the people at the wedding what they think. Absolutely. Our survey said. Well, the fascinating thing is that people also overestimate their partner's IQs

23:45James Harkin:by a thumping amount. Because surely you think, well, they're smart because they picked me. Right. Right. It's between 36 and 38 IQ points that people overrate their partner's intelligence. What it turns out is that your partner is a hideous moron. I'm so sorry. That's fascinating. Much better to do that than underestimate, though, surely. It'd be awful if you just were completely disrespectful. Yeah, absolutely. You know, you're with them. You love them. You think they're terrific. You think they're attractive and intelligent. I think that's really good. There's another test which is called Mega It's the Mega test which is like an IQ test That's Mega, Stoney and Grey together And There was someone who was a very high scorer on it And in fact there was a record In the Guinness World Records up until 1990 for the highest IQ That someone has ever got And it was a woman called Marilyn Vos Savant That is wonderful.

24:47Yeah. She's totally bearing out her name. I read about her. Yeah. She's stunning. She's stunning. God, I'm sorry. I'm smart. I'm so sorry. And you married her.

25:01She, in 1985, she was 10 years old and she was recorded as having answered every single question right on an adult test. Wow. Now, according to the way IQ is done, which is where it's basically your IQ is, it's like a version of mental age. I mean, there are all sorts of reasons But it's dependent on your actual age, isn't it? It's dependent on your actual age. So if you're, let me get this right, if you're 10, but you get the same as an average 15-year-old, supposedly you have an IQ of 150. Like it's, it's roughly like that. So if I'm 47 and I get the same as someone who's 70 years old, do I get 150 as well?

25:36I'm not sure when the baseline age is. That's a really good point. That's a really good point. But she was, at the age of 10, she did this test, which apparently gave her an IQ of 228. She became extremely famous. And for her work, she spent more than 20 years as an agony aunt. Gosh, oh. Answering people's dilemmas. Emotional intelligence, you see.

25:56James Harkin:Ask Marilyn, it was called. And there was a big moment in it where she popularised what is quite a famous mathematical problem now, which is the Monty Hall problem. Oh, really? Yeah, so the Monty Hall problem. James, you'll probably explain it better. But let's say you're on a game show, which I believe is why it's connected to it. Monty Hall was the host of the show. and you had three doors and you had to pick one that you think the treasure is behind or the prize that you're going to get and then behind the two other doors are say goats or something so you select your door and then monty opens one of the other two doors and shows a goat behind it it says okay there's only one two options now do you want to stick with your choice or do you want to change it the problem suggests that you should then change it because your odds are higher almost everyone says i should stick or they say it doesn't matter it's 50 50 now why are the odds higher sorry why are the odds higher then if you well one way of looking at it is if there's a hundred doors and you choose one and then he removes all of them apart from the last two so he's taken out 98 doors you now know that it's either in your door or the other one but most of the time when they removed 98 doors yours would have been one of them but in this case it wasn't So there's a decent chance that yours is empty.

27:10You're going from odds of one in three to odds of one in two, and you're re-choosing. You're now going into odds of two in three, actually. Oh, of course, of course. But it's very counterintuitive. It breaks everyone's brain, honestly.

27:24James Harkin:It's crazy. And it did at the time because she popularized this idea. I think she might, I want to say she came up with it, but I'm not 100%. I don't know. But 10 ,000 people wrote in saying, no, that's not the case, including a thousand, nearly a thousand, who had PhDs. And in fact, Paul Erdos, the mathematician, Hungarian mathematician, is kind of noted as one of the most prolific in the world. He refused to believe it and was only convinced when a computer simulation showed that her predictions were correct. Mystical almost, isn't it? Yeah. Do you know a quick way to score higher on your IQ test if you do one?

28:01James Harkin:It's not something you're trying to cheat, though, is it? But what's interesting is they have noticed that the same person doing an IQ test actually can get differing scores based on a certain thing. So it must be something physical you can do in the room to quickly improve the blood flow of your brain, for example. Like shaking your head really fast. That's okay. Run into the wall. Run into the wall and bang your head into the wall. Mr. Harkin and Mr. Murray were asked to leave the IQ seminar. Put pencils up your nose. Yeah. What is it? It's not that. No. Is it just practice? like because those puzzles i tend to be able to get a lot of those puzzles but i don't think it's because i'm smart i think it's because i've seen the puzzles before yeah no no it's not that and this is some research that was done by friend of the podcast angela duckworth who appeared on the 20 hour marathon that we did she was over in america they found so if i was let's say my oldest son wilf if he was about to do it if just before i said i'm going to pay you 20 dollars if you do well on this.

28:57Oh, incentivize.

28:58James Harkin:The money incentive will make him do better in the IQ test. It will change his concentration. Did you try this on your show, Suzy? We'll bug you 20 quid. We just offered them a hug. But you said before, I think, on this show that that's how you get your kids to do anything, like brush their teeth, you give them 20 quid. I'm really broke. Please subscribe to Clubfish on Patreon, everyone.

29:25James Harkin:Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is Andy. My fact is, by the year 1600, everyone's tongues were slightly higher in their mouths than in the year 1400, and nobody knows why. I don't know what you mean. Not that high. Split the difference. Oh, so it's on that, because when you said this, I thought it was like in the palate, but it's not that. Well, okay, this is a thing that is one of the most bizarre elements of the English language, and it's really well established that it happened in our language. Other languages around the world may definitely have had it. But it's a thing that started in roughly the 15th century and lasted for roughly 200 years, where everyone started saying a particular kind of letter, long vowels.

30:11So that's things like the A in cake, rather than the O in hot. That's a short vowel. yeah but so if it sounds like the vowel a cake it's a long vowel yeah yeah which by the way is impossible to teach to kids like i'm teaching my daughter how to read right now and she keeps reading the words slightly wrong i'm like no that it is actually an i this is exactly if you're teaching anyone to read like a child you have to in english you have to keep saying no that's just one of these funny things because you can't talk about the great vowel shift which is what this is cool but basically middle english you would hold vowels for a long time and then people started moving their tongues slightly differently while saying these long vowels and it caught on and there is not a guaranteed explanation of why this happened there are lots of theories but it's why you have to say oh yes cough doesn't look at all like dough and and it's why chaucer doesn't rhyme to us if you read the canterbury tales you think this guy was a moron actually a hideous moron Actually He was probably Mrs Charles is like Well actually for me He was a beautiful genius And you know All of these words Have changed their pronunciations So you know Sheep What we would call a sheep They would call a shape And you know your wife I think this settles by the way The scone versus scone debate Because I think we should Just call them scones And that would be fine Absolutely It sounds like you're from Yorkshire Though when you say Yeah Scone It might Yeah Well probably regionally it's a bit different.

31:38You know, your wife was once your weave. But is this the same as the wife of Bath being the wife of Bath? Or is that a slightly different thing? I think that's different. Yes, that is more regional. And the wife weave, it just meant woman, by the way. It wasn't a wife.

31:55James Harkin:There's old spelling and new spelling. Does the old spelling reflect how it was being pronounced? As in, we obviously don't have recordings from the 1500s, so that's how we know it was being pronounced differently. This is the whole problem. spelling hasn't changed and the pronunciation did we're still speaking spelling and sound divorce centuries ago well we know because we can interpret from rhymes quite a lot and we literally are just sort of sifting through evidence to try and work out how they were pronounced at the time because as you say we didn't have audio but did no one at the time think to do a phonetic were there books that were teaching they were dying of plague down they were busy and that sounded ruder than i meant it to apologies to the middle ages um when dang goes back in time he's like come on guys you just need to think of a phonetic but even then they didn't have the international phonetic alphabet or anything so even then we wouldn't have been able to interpret they if they could have said you know cat as in cart or something yeah but we wouldn't know how cart was pronounced at this time so a phonetic glossary wouldn't wouldn't exist wouldn't know but poetry poetry is massive for it yeah okay what so you're telling me that right now the theory we've gone for is that our tongues were in a different bit of our mouth they were they were why well one theory is that the black death was just shuffling everyone around and people were migrating more towards london and londoners were uh more fashionable and more elite or that the french were more elite so we copied them i mean there are loads yeah there's um it could be the thing you can say in any history essay the growing middle class at any point in the last 2000 years because actually there was a burden in the middle class at the time and this changed how things were said you know, possible It could be due to speaking French or avoiding speaking French I've seen both of those theories which is basically either because the aristocracy were switching from French to English and the middle class were kind of speaking French a little bit but speaking it wrong, a bit like the guy from Aloo I kind of think Good mooning or that there was anti-French sentiment because we were at war with them quite a lot.

34:04And there was a lot of that going on. Yeah. And the printing press kind of came along mid-shift. So the printing press did more than anything to sort of solidify spelling, or not solidify it, but to standardise spelling, thanks to Caxton, because before that it was completely chaotic. But the sound changes kept happening. So we are still typing as they were in the 15th century, but we sound much later. Isn't that crazy? If we'd only not developed the printing press or if we only had had the great vowel shift 200 years before,

34:38James Harkin:it would be easy to learn English now. And there wouldn't be all these mad exceptions where you just say, I'm sorry, you're just going to have to remember that for the rest of your life, that it's a bit different, that one. It's so crazy. But now, because spelling has been pretty well pinned and isn't changing, I guess it's not changing as fast as it would have done, you know, a thousand years ago because things were sliding a little over the place, but we'll never spell handbag, handbag, which is what people say. Well, we might do. I hope so. Yeah. Bring your handbag. A handbag. A handbag? That was what the confusion was in the play.

35:16James Harkin:No one talks about that. So weirdly, by researching this fact, I've sort of developed a personal theory about my accent because I do have a weird accent. um i so i was born and raised in hong kong lived in australia and then moved here and i put r's i have a forced r in a lot of stuff so listeners of the show know that i say covent garden uh as opposed to covent garden covent covent i put an r right at the end born instead of hoban or chicago i put in there and what i realized was when i moved to australia i had a very american accent and when i got there you went to an international school in hong kong yeah that's right and in australia i went to a very um just down the line aussie school and i was worried about the accent but the first day a girl who i found very pretty called penny said love your accent and i thought oh okay cool i'm gonna keep this and i think i made an active effort to not lose my accent at a period where i would have been losing it and i think the forced r is what that was i think penny's fault yes yes it's the attractive r not the intrusive r well you think it's an attractive but yeah I think that's probably it maybe how accents develop as you're saying a reluctance to not be French or to sound cooler and sound like a Londoner how interesting on a little other element of middle English there's a brilliant piece on, I don't know why it was on BBC Future because it's about language a thousand years ago but anyway it's a brilliant piece about how a thousand years ago everyone had uh more pronouns than they do today because english had all these pronouns that we just have have naturally sanded off the language so uh there was wit which we have the word we meaning me and one person or more than one person we can be two people three people yeah yeah anyone wit is specifically we too okay so it's a word yeah and it's a you know there are poems where it's it's we too and it's sort of used as a romantic thing you know um we too we too exactly if you're with an owl

37:26um and if there's our as well but our can be multiple people or it can be two people and you would have anchor for mine and one other person's so there were all these pronouns that we used to have so in the old days if you asked someone what are your pronouns you'd be there a while because you know there's loads more um yeah just find that so interesting or git for you too oh like that that's so interesting because english i think used to have or like in a real real long time ago we had more cases right that we've just lost over the years yeah so like in german or russian you have all these different genitives and datives and all that and you can still see some of them especially in short words like the and they and yeah all that kind of stuff they've still kind of hung around a little bit.

38:11Yeah, I love that because we are Germanic at heart, but then we kind of, you know, as you say, so many influences.

38:17James Harkin:Do you speak more than one language, Susie? I speak German. Okay. So German was my first love and French and a tiny bit of Spanish, but don't test me. A tiny bit of Finnish because I was an au pair in Granville. Finnish ambassador for a while. I can talk about going to buy an ice cream, but that's about it. Finnish must be the most difficult language to learn, surely. I've heard that Is it kitosh in Finnish means thank you Thank you I was taught you basically say mosquitoes With a soft ending And then lose the moss and that's how you say it Right And if you have to learn that for every single word in the language It's going to take you a long time We did a fact quite a long time ago On the show which was I think it was either Icelandic or Finnish Where there was a translator of Agatha Christie novels Who spent over a decade trying to work out how to translate just two words in this one novel because it was the giveaway.

39:15James Harkin:It was the reveal. And just couldn't work out to do it. Yes, it took over a decade. You don't have butlers in Iceland.

39:24We talked about the phonetic alphabet earlier. The most recent consonant added to the international phonetic alphabet is the labial flap. Oh, crumbs. It looks like a V with a little tail at the top of it. I know what it looks like, James.

39:44Grow up. It's a very rare speech sound produced by quickly drawing the lower lip back behind the upper teeth and then releasing it forward. And it's found in some sub-Saharan languages. Wow. But the rarest one I could find, I think this is the rarest, I saw this on TikTok with someone called Human1011, and they talked about the voiceless labial vilar implosive, which is like pronouncing a K and a P at the same time, but instead of putting it out of your mouth, you suck it in. I couldn't do it. Well, he did. But it's in a single dialect of a single language of Igbo, which you get in Nigeria. Wow.

40:27But yeah, it's only used in that one tiny bit, but it's there. Cool. Very cool. Yeah. There must be more out there that we haven't discovered. I'll be honest, it was mostly about just saying labial flap. Absolutely.

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42:20James Harkin:OK, it is time for our final fact of the show. And that is my fact. My fact this week is that many of Charles Dickens' readers in Victorian England consumed his works as audiobooks. This is a fun little detail from a book by Amy Cruz called The Victorians and Their Books. And there's an extract in it, an account from the time of when Charles Dickens was over in Paris and his son was sick and he was staying in the lodgings. And I believe that the boy's grandmother was looking after him. And so she said to the carer of the house, Mr. Dickens is coming. And the housekeeper was believed to have been illiterate, but said, oh, Mr.

42:59James Harkin:Dickens, I love his work. She thought, how do you read? And so she explained that there is a little snuff shop. And the man who works there would invite people in on the first Monday of every month. And he received a little payment. and in return they got some tea, but they also were read extracts from the latest bit of a Charles Dickens novel. So effectively, if you couldn't read, you might pay someone to be the audiobook for you and you get groups of people to do that. Even if you could read, I can imagine that would be quite nice. I'm just on reading your story. Yeah. It was a big thing, wasn't it?

43:35I mean, in the earlier 19th century, Jane Austen's time, reading to your family was one of the things that you do. It was the thing after dinner, wasn't it? Yeah, poetry. But Dickens was a huge performer of his own works, wasn't he? I mean, they said that it really damaged his health in the end. I suppose they killed him. Yeah. Did it? Yeah. He helped kill him. To Bill Sykes and things, he gave so much sort of of himself. Oh, wow. Yeah, and his performance is that he was warned not to do it by his doctors. How interesting.

44:01James Harkin:Because there was a train crash that occurred not long before he died where he got very ill. So he was still performing afterwards, was he? He wasn't hurt himself, I think, but it was incredibly shocking to be in a train crash. Yeah, I think psychologically. Yeah. we said before that like before his shows he would drink a lot of champagne yes oh really yes yeah so that might have had an effect we don't know you know maybe all the raw eggs he also had before yeah it could be um so this is interesting audiobooks didn't exist yeah but we have a recording of a christmas carol exactly as dickens would have read it and in fact read by dickens but dickens died with no recordings of his voice being made a i a i that's it say i yeah it's not is it that's the new robo dickens uh every household will have one in 10 years time it's really exciting uh no um is it uh is it a descendant who just looks very similar to dickens and it's that it's so annoying that dan's got it It was read by A.

45:04Dickens, but not Hugh Dickens. It was read by Monica Dickens, who was his great-granddaughter, herself a novelist. She was. She wrote 40 novels. Oh, my God, I picked up a book by her today. Yeah, yeah, they're really good. She had listened to her grandfather, i.e. Charles Dickens' son, reading A Christmas Carol lots. And he had a version of A Christmas Carol which had all of the original Dickens annotations in it, which words to stress, which words to leave out, which way to lean this and that. So it was properly annotated. And she, in 1950, recorded that version of A Christmas Carol. So weirdly, through three generations, we have, four generations, we have the Dickens-approved version of A Christmas Carol.

45:45How amazing. Have you seen The Great Christmas Feast, which is a brilliant performance that goes on every Christmas where they recreate Dickens reading A Christmas Feast to all of you who sit around in Dickensian clothes eating great Dickensian food. It's brilliant. Oh, I love that. experience um but he definitely would have a patreon wouldn't he he was a one-man podcaster really he really was not that there's anything wrong with having a patreon or being a podcaster

46:12James Harkin:yeah yeah yeah what are you trying to say well yeah he like did taur it a lot didn't he and he went to america even and taurred it around there and um apparently didn't really like it very much uh he complained to his friends that he could do nothing that he wanted to do go nowhere i want to go and see nothing that i want to see if i turn into the streets i am followed by a multitude because he was so famous we've been on tour though it's like that it's just like that you know oh yeah couldn't wander through times square without being mobbed but when he was in america he was there he did his show and stuff but he also wanted to put the idea of an international copyright forward because at the time everyone was copying his works in america and he wasn't getting any of the cash for it and so he went around saying okay i'm going to do my bit but then also you guys should pay me for your books it's not really fair and the press the american press really just did not like him and they said he was mercenary they said he was only coming to america for monetary gain all this kind of stuff and then in his next novel that he wrote martin chuzzlewit he martin chuzzlewit goes to america and says this place is a shit hole and they really he really fell out with the Americans wow it's really interesting it's really interesting the copying and the plagiarism I think we might have mentioned before that Dickens was pirated a lot because he released them bit by bit people could piggyback on that and then overtake him so people plagiarists would pump out works like Oliver Twist Martin Guzzlewit or whatever and there was one particular press baron called Edward Lloyd who hired 10 or 50 writers to just churn these things out, get them on the streets before Dickens has released his next chapter or whatever it is.

47:57And Dickens did sue over one, saying this is outrageous. But the judge in the case, I love this, who was called Sir Lancelot Shadwell. Yes, please. Yes, please. Said these are so bad that they don't meet the test of plagiarism or pirating. No one could possibly be fooled. Oh, really? By Nicholas Nickelberry or whatever. it is not good enough to be plagiarism yeah how interesting would that still work if I write a really awful version of Game of Thrones and I can get away with it? I think there are laws about parody and there are tests do you remember the moron in a hurry? oh the man on the omnibus or something yeah like if a moron in a hurry can still tell the difference between your work and the original then it's fine that's it but if they would be fooled then it might be a problem you leave my wife out of this sorry

48:47James Harkin:Do any of you know about UK Red? UK Red. You heard about this, Susie? This is an open access database housed at Open University, and it contains 30 ,000 easily searchable records documenting the history of reading in Britain from 1450 to 1945. And you can put in someone like Charles Dickens, and it will show you a track record in time of who has been reading, let's say in this case, Charles Dickens. I found this in an article by someone called Mary Hammond. So, for example, it shows Victorian professional criminals when they were reading books in prison. There's an example of the novelist in the 1850s, Elizabeth Gaskell, reading a little bit of Little Dorrit over the shoulder of a passenger on a bus and being frustrated that she had to get off before her companion turned the page.

49:36James Harkin:There was A.A. Milne, who read Oliver Twist at the age of nine and it gave him nightmares. a man called Newman Flower who in 1901 rose at 4am to watch the funeral procession of Queen Victoria pass by but wild away the hours reading Bleak House but got so engrossed in the book he completely missed it oh no no offence but depending on the bit of Bleak House it's not always totally easy to completely lose yourself in that one above everything but is that amazing? UK Red I'd highly recommend checking it out. That's so cool. I find it quite interesting because there is a sort of silent shame about audiobooks these days, isn't there?

50:17You just sort of said, I've read it technically. But it's a deep Victorian tradition. I think this is brilliant. I think we should be proud. Do you think if you read the audiobook, you get as much out of it than if you read the actual words? If you listen to the audiobook, book um sometimes i would say it depends it depends so much on the narrator doesn't i think science pretty much agrees with sometimes it depends yeah because i found a few studies there was one in 2016 where they played sections of a book to some people and then the other ones read it and then they did a quiz and actually everyone kind of took in the same amount of information and then there's one slightly more recent where they um did the same thing but this time they asked them trick questions um so it's like the kind of trick question is like how many of each animal did moses take on the ark and the answer is two moses it wasn't moses yeah so it's that kind of question so they asked the people that kind of question and they found that the people who had read the book were less likely to be tricked so it's almost like you still take it in but you don't process it quite as much that's what they said often you're listening to an audio book while doing something else whereas reading a paper book you you can't be driving a bus for example you know so i think that probably makes a bit of a difference in the real world yeah i wonder if the brain also provides a little bit of white noise when you're reading because you can sort of pause or whatever because there's also really interesting research that um involved two recordings being played to an audience one with all the white noise the ums the r's the fillers and things kept in and another one where it was entirely stripped out and the one where it was kept in was was remembered uh best because it gives you a bit of time to absorb as long as it's not over the top i tend to allow one uh per sentence really yeah that's probably enough we could double our numbers if you yeah there's a sweet spot i think yeah yeah you know like in love island just drives everyone mad isn't it so i think too many and then it the reverse is true

52:28James Harkin:but yeah interestingly anytime we read this is for most of us we are listening to the audiobook as we're doing it i think that's sub vocalization it's a thing that happens where most of us when we're reading the words in our head we can hear our voice yeah reading it and in many cases the muscles uh in the in your throat that would be moved to make sound are very subtly making those movements as well yeah some people mouth quite obviously people mouth and so apparently you also can only go at the speed at which you read um but you can read faster and slower yeah you can but you can't break any kind of you can't trick your brain into going faster yeah um how interesting and there was all this debate about whether people in in olden times had the capacity to read silently yeah because there was one guy wasn't there from like the ninth century and someone wrote amazingly he can read without talking yeah yeah and that was taken as evidence that actually no one could do that before but i'm not sure i don't know i think there's still debate going on about that or it's a bit it was a bit of a dubious one it's quite fun though i was um i was thinking about uh audible and how you get uh any kind of book you want now and you can put an actor's name in and you can get whatever they've read so there are some people who have quite iconic voices.

53:44James Harkin:And it's quite funny when they're paired up with certain books. So, for example, you can read a book called The Savior is Born, which is the story of the Nativity, from the voice of God, Morgan Freeman. Oh. Yeah. You can be read the Bible by Mufasa, which is James Earl Jones. Or arguably, Darth Vader's reading it to you. It's quite fun, these kind of iconic voices. But they strip out all the... Yeah. One per sentence. Yeah. But in the future, we'll be able to just pick a voice, pick a text and match them, won't we? Yes. Which is quite scary. James Earl Jones is a good example because he's given over the rights to his voice for any future Star Wars so they can now AI Darth Vader into...

54:26James Harkin:I mean, you could do it now. Not legally, I reckon. Like pretty much, you probably wouldn't take much to take Susie's voice and then do an audiobook just with AI, I reckon. Yeah. Melania Trump's memoir in 2024. I'm not doing that one. she announced that it would be the future of publishing because it was an AI voice that was doing her audio book. Everyone else refused. Well, one of the main companies in the field, Eleven Labs, said that the product lacked the nuanced emotional expression of an actual person. Sorry, are we talking about the book or the readings?

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56:41James Harkin:Patreon.com slash clubfish I love it It's great It's great as a web domain and you should enjoy it too Anyway, you can otherwise just come back here because we're going to be back with another episode next week and we will see you then Goodbye