No Such Thing As A Shark With A Ponytail

0:00Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of No Such Thing As A Fish, where we were joined by the wonderful Sarah Pascoe. now there is no one I don't think in Britain who doesn't know who Sarah Pascoe is and probably if you listen to this show around the world you'll know her as well because she has been on Fish before but just as a quick reminder she is an incredible stand-up comedian and TV presenter who is a good friend of ours she does a podcast as well she does a show called Weirdos Butt Club with fellow Fish alumnus Cariad Lloyd but she is on all the panel shows she's been on QI a million times she's absolutely brilliant we love having her on all of our shows but one important thing to say about sarah is that she is currently on tour if you would like to see her show and you live somewhere in the uk there is an extremely good chance that she will be coming to your town in november or in the spring next year and to find out the shortest amount of travel you will have to make to get to her shows you must go to sarah pascoe.co.uk slash tickets her website is s-a-r-a-p-a-s-c-o-e.co.uk because that is how you spell her name so go to sarahpasco.co.uk to get tickets for her show but in the meantime please enjoy our show on with the podcast

1:33Hello and welcome to another episode of No Such Thing as a Fish, a weekly podcast coming to you from the QI offices in Hoburn. My name is Dan Schreiber. I'm sitting here with James Harkin, Andrew Hunter-Murray, and Sarah Pascoe. And once again, we have gathered around the microphones with our four favourite facts from the last seven days. And in no particular order, here we go. Starting with fact number one, and that is Sarah. My fact, and I'm underlining the word fact there for reasons that will become clear. My fact is Saturn's rings are younger than sharks. Okay. Duh, duh, duh. No, it's duh, duh, duh, duh.

2:12So when you say fact. Yes, exactly. And you underline it. Weirdly, we've never had a guest underline the headline fact before and it makes me instantly suspicious. Yes. Well, age is but a concept. And when I looked into the inverted commas, proof of both of the ages, Saturn and sharks, I felt like, well, there's lots to debate here. Okay. Okay. So do you stand by it or not? Like if you had to bet your life on it. I would have to do more research probably. So let me tell you where the whole aging of Saturn's rings comes from. So there's a Cassini spacecraft, combination of NASA, the European Space Agency, and also the Italian Space Agency, which means they're not in the European Space Agency.

2:54And I thought, there's a sitcom. Italy decided, no, we'll have our own one. Our spaceships will be in the shape of boots. And what are the Italian astronauts, stereotypical Italians? Are you thinking a low, low style? Yeah, all of the other spacemen are eating the tubes of paste food and they've still got spaghetti pomodoro. It's creating a big mess in the spaceship. All the Italian astronauts typically like to stay in the mothership. Yes. To talk about Italian men. And here's mine about Marianne Luigi. They're fixing the spaceship. There we go. The ship needs plumbers. Yeah, exactly. There's something for everyone.

3:32So the Hassini spacecraft did analysis for a really long time of what the rings were composed of. they're mostly ice and that ice is made of water which then of course i had a question mark what is other ice made of they kept calling it water ice but then i realized i've gone too far off the facts okay come back uh one percent of them is dust and they've measured the rate of accumulation how dusty they're getting and then work backwards from that one percent to say they can't be any older than a hundred years a hundred million years i should say and they could be as new as 10 million years old.

4:07Wow. Okay. So that's from the amount of dust accumulation. The reason, and I'll sort of stress this straight away, that they could be a lot older is because they could be cleaning themselves because there's a pull from the planet which takes a lot of debris away from it. So basically when micrometeoroids hit the rings of Saturn, they are either vaporized or they've pulled towards Saturn's magnetic field, which would explain why there would be less dust there then you could completely just age it all the dust that's ever been collected by saturn's pool hasn't stayed in the rings essentially which is where aging them that way could be slightly contentious okay um and what about sharks okay so sharks they're saying they're claiming i don't know what you've written down that they are 450 million years old yes okay okay and their evidence for this some scales no teeth they've got some fossilized scales from 450 million years old which they're saying is the earliest fossil of a shark like creature which is not a shark is it that's a shark like creature okay and then no teeth so are we thinking a gummy shark like no teeth big scaly fish or a big scaly fish i know what i know is what a shark is in lots of ways But hang on Sarah All of this smacks of a woman who submitted a fact And then researched it Yes Your honour What's the accusation there Andy That she did what we asked her to do No because some people it's like their actual passion Is that what you mean Some people are like oh I wrote a book about The rings It's funny how honest you are I just like it because you know A lesser researcher might have just said Yeah I'll just sort of fudge that I would have done that.

5:54Yeah, I would have gone in and said, so the fact is that the rings are this old and sharks are this old. One's younger than the other and that's it. No, actually what I did write down was that Cassini spacecraft, born on the 15th of October 1997, so it's a Libra. Oh, that is good. Getting my astrology and astronomy all in the same explanation. So sharks have survived the five known mass extinctions that we've had on this planet. Are they involved somehow? It does seem suspicious. Always there. Yeah. I think it was after the first mass extinction that teeth suddenly became a part of their life.

6:32Yeah. Although the jaws were different in those earlier creatures. Yeah. Yeah. Because now they have jaws that open really widely, which means they can swim faster and they can eat prey bigger than themselves. So that's exciting. But that's much more recent. We're talking 150 million years ago. Okay. With those recognizable actual sharks. And like 10 million to 100 million with the rings of Saturn, what are you saying is the closer scale than 400 plus? Here's the timeline I wrote down. So I wrote sharks as the earliest fossil was the late Ordovician period. So basically that would make them older than dinosaurs and older than trees.

7:11Really fun. Trees are 360 million years old, which is fun. Would they know anything about trees? As in like, they're not seeing trees anyway, right? So that's irrelevant to their world. You get like tree fall in the... Absolutely. So they might see a fall. They'll see a log for sure. But they can't fall before they exist. That's the thing. If a tree falls before it exists, does it make a noise? Does it splash and go on? They've famously got good hearing sharks, so that would be good distances. Or is it smell? It's smell. Can they smell trees? Very few people say, shh, there are sharks nearby. They tend to say, don't bleed into the water.

7:45There are sharks nearby. So we've got a mass extinction event. In the Permian period, that's 252 million years ago, or around then, 96 % of marine life was wiped out. So we had bigger sharks. And there is fossil records, just teeth of these massive sharks. No, you're saying just teeth. Earlier on, it was like, oh, they don't even have teeth. Exactly. How suspicious is this? I forgot Pascoe's casebook. You always find crimes and then investigate them on this show. Do you know why they keep surviving all of these mass extinctions? It's really interesting. It's because they're so varied as a class of creatures.

8:18so you get sharks that live on the bottom you get sharks that live in the main water column you know higher up in the tops you get small sharks you get big sharks you get sharks that are some sharks are even mostly vegetarian yeah you get just sharks of every different kind right and that's why always a few of them will fit through the keyhole of whatever life survives the mass extinction which is amazing isn't it so i did go down one of my tangents was the greenland shark yeah which which grows incredibly slowly which is a really good example of what you're describing they don't become sexually active until they're over 100 yeah which is really inspiring but here's an amazing thing about them it's been estimated that they can live probably up to 500 years there's one that's been found that definitely is around 400 years old now the rings of saturn the first observation through a telescope was galileo in 1610 yeah arguably there is a greenland shark out there alive that was born before galileo first looked at them yeah through a telescope i thought you were going to say that could have seen the rings of saturn through that telescope unless it fell into the water unless they could hear it i don't think that's going to happen it's amazing that's mad potentially there's one out there that was yeah yeah we've got the topic sharks yeah um give us a shark then favorite shark i'll tell you mine yeah okay wow let's guess i'm gonna guess hammerhead no james yeah hammerhead i do like hammerheads they're really They're the youngest species, apparently.

9:46The newest one. Really? Well, I found another one that's been quite new. I think it's maybe not quite as new as Hammerheads, but the walking sharks that you get off the coast of Australia. And they live on the bottom. They're one of Andy's bottom sharks. But they walk on the fence. Andy's bottom sharks is my Channel 5 series of the future.

10:10People who want to watch a show about animals are going to be very disappointed. it's very much an urban dictionary thing no these are like walking sharks yeah and they use their fins and they walk like geckos on the bottom of the ocean i think that's wow that is cool can they swim they can swim yeah but not very well i quite like the thresher shark oh yeah but it's just it's an odd move that they use which is it's been described as extreme yoga basically if they're coming up to a fish rather than directly eat it they'll bring their tail up back around them and slap it and stun it wow yeah that's great that's really great because usually a lot of them they'll eat by opening their mouths and just swimming with their mouths open and seeing what goes in there right yeah and there's a big problem with that a paper i read just this morning which was that basically because the water is more acidic in the oceans now it's rotting their teeth and so they have quite crumbly teeth now sharks compared to what they were 100 years ago.

11:06So later people think we didn't have any sharks. They'll be like, there's no evidence. Yes. They all crumbled away. Can I give you guys my favourite shark? It's from this morning. The programme. Philip Schofield was a shark.

11:24No, this is a listener email from Alison Molenkamp who sent us an email this morning on the day we record this, headlined, Ghost Shark Sex Teeth. Okay. This is crazy. And you opened it? Oh, yeah. It's great for Andy's bottom sharks. Basically, there's a thing called a ghost shark. It's also known as a spotted ratfish. I suspect it prefers to go by ghost shark. I'll take the other name badge. Why did you say first year? Someone trying to push a cool nickname on themselves, right? Spotted ratfish. No, it's ghost shark, actually. Yeah, that's what they call me at university. So it's not a true shark, but it looks a lot like a shark, you know, and it gets called it.

12:04And it's got a thing on its forehead called the tenaculum. It's got these tiny protrusions on it. And scientists have just today published a paper about what this thing is. And what it is, is this little thing sticking out of its head has these scales on it. It turns out they're not scales, they're actual teeth. They're literal teeth sticking out of its head, which it uses to grip onto the female during sex. It's got a head hand. It's got a head hand, which it uses for sex grips. and just to hold on to her fins. Does the female have one on her head to hit the other guy's one away? She has nothing, just a ponytail.

12:37I think she's got nothing. Yeah, and so one of the scientists responsible, Carly Cohen, said, this feature flips the long-standing assumption in evolutionary biology that teeth are strictly oral structures. I thought that their skin was teeth as well, though. I think it's shaped like teeth. But I think the teeth evolved from the skin. So it was scales around them I've got harder and harder. Which seems to be the same as this other idea. It's just utilising. Oh, they're also good for this. Imagine Sabrina Carpenter's album cover. Because everyone was really sort of anti it. And saying, you know, it's been done before.

13:10We've moved past it. Imagine if it had been this ghost shark. She's sort of on her knees with. Yeah. But she's sort of being held by, you know, looking up at her. But I think next album. Yeah, next one. That's true, actually. Or maybe Chapel Roan. I'm still imagining your TV programme. I've imagined lots of the dancers at the beginning. It's got this like Euro trash feel. And they've all got like big, big sharp heads. And then they're all wearing chaps. So when they turn around, you can see their bottom. Do you remember that Super Bowl when they had the dancing shark? Yes, yes. Like that, but a bit sexier.

13:42Yeah, that with chaps on. And is it just me enjoying these dances? You speak to camera at the beginning like, Hi, I'm Andy. And here every week is Shark Week. And then it's just like a bouncy castle and stuff like that. I'll do it. Yeah. I will take that drop.

14:05Okay, it is time for fact number two, and that is my fact. My fact this week is that because he didn't like the name of the novel that he was adapting into a movie, director Ridley Scott bought the film rights to a William Burroughs novel called Blade Runner just so he could steal that title instead. Amazing. Brilliant. Really good. Yeah, it's quite fascinating. So I've just read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, which is a book by Philip K. Dick. And it's a great title. It's a great title. It's a solid commercial title for a movie. If you don't know Philip K. Dick, he was a pretty extraordinary sci-fi writer.

14:42He was writing in the 50s and 60s. And he has had so many of his books that have gone to the big screen. So you might have seen Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger, The Adjustment Bureau, Minority Reporter, Scanner Darkly, and Blade Runner, probably the most famous of all of those. starring Harrison Ford. And so initially Ridley Scott was brought onto this project and there was a screenwriter on it called Hampton Fancher. And Hampton Fancher decided that while he was writing it, he'd put in the drafts the name Blade Runner, which he'd seen from another book. And it was just there. And Ridley Scott, who took on the project, started reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, but didn't like it.

15:20So put it down. So he didn't end up even reading the book he made into a movie uh he saw that title on the screenplay and said this is way better let's use that but obviously it was connected to another book so he literally bought the movie rights to that and used nothing but the title so can i ask a question yeah you said it was by william burroughs the yeah but he didn't write the original so what's going on there so okay so this is so weird it just gets so complicated this story the book that william burroughs had written was called Blade Runner The Movie. So William Burroughs had read a different book by a guy called Alan E.

15:55Norse, and that was called The Blade Runner. And so Burroughs' book was a treatment for a movie that he wanted to have made. But was his book based on Norse's book, or was it a different story? Yeah, it was basically a movie treatment. So Norse's book was, the reason it's called Blade Runner is because it's about a guy who takes medical supplies across America. So literally scalpels and smuggling them. Yeah, because it's basically an anti-NHS book, isn't it? Basically in America, if you've got money, you can't pay for your own healthcare. You have to only go for the government thing and the government thing isn't very good and so you have these sort of dodgy private doctors who will do your stuff for you but they need the scalpels so they need the Blade Runner and the main protagonist in that book is called Billy Gimp.

16:45Just a good character name. Great name. Striking name. It's hard to think of names for characters, isn't it? Absolutely. You've got to say what you see. Look around you. Whatever you see first. So the thing we've all glossed over, there have been a lot of names flying about. Hampton Fancher, Ridley Scott. None of them very likely, right? The original book that used the title Blade Runner was by this guy, Alan Norse. I pronounce it nurse. And he was a trained doctor. Oh, lovely. And do you remember there was a scientist about 20 years ago he won the Nobel Prize for Medicine he was a doctor. Paul Nurse What's all these doctors called nurse?

17:20I have tried to find a nurse whose name was Doctor but I haven't succeeded yet but I'll keep looking He wrote under the name Dr. X didn't he? Oh did he? Yeah he didn't really use his name because he didn't want people to know he was writing Dr. X but he mostly wrote abusive 140 character messages So Blade Runner I actually bought it the other night to watch yeah because i haven't seen it in years um so this is the other fascinating thing about the movie blade runner there's been since its release seven different versions of it that have come out it's constantly being revised by the director and by the production companies so there was a director's cut that came out which actually wasn't a director's cut because someone else put it together ridley scott just gave an approval but the the official one according to ridley scott is the final cut which doesn't have the narration it's the only one that he was allowed to do the cut that he actually wanted and also the story of it is quite interesting in that so it was made for about 30 million dollars and it made about 40 million dollars at the cinema so it did fine but it didn't do that well but when they re-edited it it was amazing and it's the first thing they brought out on dvd oh and then it did so much better with a sort of slight re-edit yes it wasn't popular at first and it got some really bad reviews one of the reviews said blade runner and it is a suspenseless thriller, which I think is to a certain extent true.

18:40It was sort of slow. Was it intentionally slow? It is quite slow. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's about Harrison Ford who has to chase down a load of robots who are running around dressed up as humans. The main point of it and the main point of Dick, I think, and I haven't read that or seen the movie, but I think it's like, can an android tell if they're human? And if so, how do you tell if they're human? Well, this is the Voigt-Kampff test, which I've got the questions of if you want me to test if you're a robot. Like a personality test to see if we're robots. I don't need the test. I'm well aware.

19:11Make a lot of sense of a lot of things in your life. In the book itself, do you know what they're called? All these replicants. I thought they were called replicants. That's in the movie. Is it? Yeah. In the book, they're called Andes. Lovely. Are they? The plot thickens. Stop finding crimes. So this, so here we go. Let me find. So some of them actually sort of a little bit upsetting. you have a little boy and he shows you his butterfly collection including his killing jar oh dear it doesn't have a question mark on it but I guess it's testing do you have an emotional reaction to that, ok here you go describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about your mother killing jar single words fun, sexy

20:03I'd also like to enter the word sexy for down the line Sigmund Freud says you get full marks so this one my briefcase nice isn't it department issue baby hide 100 % genuine human baby hide okay so I guess yeah it's supposed to make you feel if you're upset about that you're probably human yeah I have a strong reaction you don't just take it on face value you have an emotional reaction I think that's the test And in the movie and in the book, they have a machine that specifically is looking directly into your eyeball. So it's the dilation of the pupils. Exactly, it's monitoring. The question is answered by your body, I guess, isn't it?

20:39Exactly. It is a good film and it is a good book. The book's great, yeah. Yeah, but I think they are quite ponderous. Come at me in the comments if you disagree. Tell us a film you like then, that you prefer in this sort of genre. He likes Pacific Rim. What's Pacific Rim? Well, big monsters have started coming up through the cracks in the ocean floor from another dimension. We've got to build giant robots to fight them. Wow. That's an exciting episode of Andy's bottom sharks, isn't it? What I'm saying is, in Pacific Rim, everyone knows who is and isn't a robot, and we can crack on with the real meat of the film, which is beating the monsters, the kaiju.

21:14So, you know, do you see what I mean? Harrison Ford isn't interrogating the robots. So you don't like subtlety? I'm saying I like obviousness. There was one of the reviews of Blade Runner when it came out that said, some of the scenes seem to have six subtexts, but no text and no context either. Wow. So I think it's so interesting because the questions that they were asking then about what are the capabilities of these machines that are working alongside us are the questions that we are continuing to ask. The only thing that's changed is the technology. We're still asking those same things, aren't we?

21:46It's really, when I read it, it's incredibly poignant for what's going on right now in the world of AI. Like it's extraordinary. I guess that's the thing of a good sci-fi writer like Philip K. Dick. It's looking forward and seeing the problems we might run into. But it's also worth saying the book is incredibly different from the movie. So there's an idea that you're asking the question, is Harrison Ford a replicant himself? Harrison Ford said he wasn't. Ridley Scott said he was. So we don't even know from the filmmaker's side which one is which. Which one of those two people wrote the... Neither.

22:15We need to ask the person who wrote the script. Yes, exactly. Call Hampton Fancher. Quite clearly a robot panicking and trying to think of a human name. have you guys seen the movie taking tiger mountain no what happens in that i think so what happens in that is what happens in the blade runner the original book because it eventually was adapted into a movie and that was starring bill paxton so the novel that william burroughs wrote blade runner brackets a movie uh-huh was off the back of the original um alan norse novel blade runner yeah and it was a pitch for it to be a screenplay and then he realized it probably wasn't going to be adapted so he turned it burrows turned his work into a novella what that means is that he wrote the novel of the pitch of the film of the novel oh interesting and then philip k dick was asked to write the novel of the movie of blade runner yes of the book that he wrote of his own book yeah but he refused brilliant because he thought that if he did that people would stop buying his book yeah wouldn't that have been amazing it's so it's so weird it's so strange it's just the whole i mean this is probably the most confusing section we've ever done for an audience trying to piece these together we need a big wall chart don't we with lines yeah even that movie that i just mentioned taking tiger mountain which was the adaption of the blade runner original book pre-burrows yeah yeah there was a movie that was made which was based on a art film by Albert Camus, his book called The Stranger.

23:46They filmed the whole thing, but they didn't do any dialogue for it because they thought they'd do that post. A new director came in, used all that stuff, but applied the Blade Runner to it. Guys, will you think of the editor, please, when you're saying these facts? It's so confusing. What's going to happen, James, is this section of the podcast, in years to come, there are going to be seven or eight different cuts of this section of the podcast. there'll be the Harkin cut, sure but there'll be the Schreiber cut People quite often listen to podcasts to fall asleep and this bit they'll think is their subconscious chopping it into different pieces and making it confusing so they're not really listening properly.

24:26That sort of makes you think we must have enough stuff filmed by now that we can basically make anything new. Let's just use our existing stock. I think in the future they're going to say do you know the famous TV show Andy's Bottom Sharks was actually based on a podcast and and bizarrely andy what you just said with having extra footage that we can just reuse that actually happened for blade runner the movie itself because in the final scenes they used shots from the shining that weren't used in the main movie yeah and included it as sort of background shots so the shining is in the blade runner movie yeah this goes deep doesn't it really does go deep isn't it true that the alien world um the blade runner world are one world together My wife told me this, but she's watched them all and I haven't.

25:12But I think there's like one mention in like the second Alien that says, yes, they're definitely the same world. That's terrific. Because it might be things like the same company operates across reality. Because in Alien, the whole thing is the Weyland-Utani Corporation. And that might get a mention in Blade Runner. I don't know. That's brilliant. Can I tell you a thing about William Burroughs? Yeah. The author who wrote... Played one of the movie. One of these things. Yeah, yeah. So he was a beat generation writer. Very interesting person. I didn't really know anything about him. The only thing I'd vaguely heard of, which is the awful thing in his life, which is that he and his wife once had taken a huge amount of drugs and he tried to do a William Tell act shooting something off her head and he missed and he shot her and he killed her.

25:53That's his version. He was a really strange guy. Oh, yeah. He was very eccentric. He was on huge numbers of drugs his whole life. He said that he could just stare at his shoes for eight hours a day and frequently did. but do you know how Burroughs had this lifestyle and was able to just sort of muck around So where his money came from Rich parents He got an allowance from his parents until he was nearly 50 but the reason he got an allowance from his parents until he was nearly 50 is that his grandfather William Seward Burroughs I our William Burroughs was the second he had invented the Burroughs adding machine it was a calculator and pretty much every business in America bought one of these adding machines it was incredibly useful is it one of those ones that you see in old movies where they kind of it's like a big calculator and they go like pretty much and it prints out it prints out a real yeah exactly and it was yeah it was one of the biggest american computing companies in the 50s and 60s and what is this it's a robot a thinking machine oh i see and it's it's sort of allowed blade runner to right yeah yeah yeah okay sure so philip k dick took drugs as well yeah until the same things and apparently end of his life he sort of saw like a rosy mist and all these kind of yeah he had he in his final period of his life it was in 1974 he saw a fish symbol a necklace on a woman glow red and he felt information suddenly just was transmitted to him and he believed that it was from an alien species that's quite an excuse when you're staring at a woman's dress sorry there's information coming

27:40okay it is time for fact number three and that is james okay my fact this week is that most people wouldn't wear a sweater owned by hitler but they might if mother theresa wore it for long enough in between so has she won this in like an ebay auction like how did she get her hands on this bought it she's bought it right for it she dry clean it after hitler has anyone cleaned it ever well this is a study um called the contagion concept in adult thinking in the united states uh by carol nemeroff and paul rosen and there's lots of different things that they did with this imaginary jumper so they had different people wear it so it might be hitler but it might be a lover of the person you're interviewing or it might be someone they really admire or it might be that they rub it in dog poo or various different things.

28:31And then they try and ameliorate the effect by giving it to a nice person or they might clean it with detergent or just with water or boil it or deodorize it. This is all imaginary, this jumper. This is all made up. And did they ever show you a picture of the jumper? Yeah. Or have you imagined it? You imagine it. it's simply a question of would you wear this jumper if this had happened to it right and then they took all of the different results of what everyone said and then generalized to the entire world so um but actually they generalized to people in the u.s and the reason being that there's this kind of thing called the law of contagion which is a folk belief that you get all around the world where if you have been in contact with an object then people think some of your attributes go into that object it happens in papua new guinea it happens in africa it happens in medieval europe you get it quite a lot of but this study was to see if it happened in the u.s as well and what they found is the basics is that people would not wear anything that was worn by hitler but they might wear it if someone good like mother theresa or someone sexy had worn it in between and they would probably not are we saying mother theresa is not sexy she looks so much like dan's mom

29:51yeah so princess diana someone else who's sort of seen as good sure absolutely yeah yeah because at the start they interviewed people and said who do you think is good who do you think is sexy who do you think is trustworthy and with the sort of washing and stuff like that basically if you wash it or if you deodorize it or if you air it out people are slightly more likely to wear it but if you boil it then they're really more likely to do it so if you get hitler's jumper and you give it a good old very hot wash then people are more likely to wear it after that i shrink though i mean do we know what is it wool yeah because i did i did try to find evidence of any of hitler's jumpers going up for auction oh yeah he doesn't seem to have been a big jumper guy no it's there's very little um his jacket wasn't he he was more jacket well one of his jackets did In 2016, there was a buyer who spent£600 ,000 at a single auction on Nazi memorabilia, including things like the brass canister that contained the hydrogen cyanide that Goethe killed himself with.

30:51I mean, quite absolute stuff and quite gory stuff. But one of the things was£210 ,000 on Hitler's jacket. Right. And the buyer was a nameless man from Argentina who declined to give his name. It's a joke, isn't it? No. What? No. No. He said, I'm not going to tell you my name. From Argentina? I am from Argentina. Oh, my goodness. I know. so we can only speculate yeah crikey there was a thing this this um this guy paul rosin paul rosin yeah very interesting character because he's sort of known as the leading authority on disgustingness he spends his life studying disgusting stuff and he was saying if you were put off by the idea of hitler to what level would that bleed into your life because for example any glass of water that you drink in europe will contain a few molecules that would have passed through Hitler.