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23:34Oh. Yeah, we absolutely hated each other's guts. Really? Yeah. But what a beautiful city to hate each other's guts in.

23:40James Harkin:Did you find that out early on in the trip? 45 seconds in, I think. And then did you say goodbye or did you hang out the trip? Oh, baby, we planned too much to say goodbye. Non-refundable train tickets, restaurant reservations, guided tours. Did you go up the Skytree? We went up a building of some sort. Do you think if he'd have told you all of Dan's puns, then things might have gone better? 100%. Maybe I would have tiramissed him.

24:07Yeah, the entire time I was like, I wish I had those in my pocket to fill the silence in. Lord.

24:14James Harkin:Wow, that's extraordinary. Yeah. It's one of those things where everybody sort of always wonders what would happen if they did such an impulsive thing. And I'm here to tell you, this is why you don't do that. Don't do it. Do you remember, who was it? Was it Ai Weiwei who did that thing where they got two people to walk along the whole of the... I think it was Marina... Marina Ramovich. so they she walked all the way along the great wall of china and then met someone halfway and then kissed and then they broke up it was her yeah it was her both artistic partner and her partner in life and they both started on either end of the great wall met in the middle and broke up when they met in the middle did they always plan to break up or did they just remember they hated each other when they got there i think yeah 45 seconds until i made up it's only remembered what i mostly remember about tokyo is how busy it is like because we live in a city london right and you think oh it's really busy and then you go to tokyo and it's just like a million times busier of the 51 busiest train stations in the world all but six of them are in japan and the top three are in tokyo 51 go ishi yeah the most busy but who else who makes a top 51

25:35it does feel like once you get to 52 then they're all in a different country but the busiest railway station is shinjuku and they had in 2022 the average number of daily passengers was 2 ,704 ,703 which is the equivalent of every adult in uruguay passing through the station every day. That's just one station. Thank you for putting into terms and numbers I'd understand. I can't picture that many people. We all know the entire adult population of Uruguay. Not the population, the adult population of Uruguay.

26:12James Harkin:The kids of Uruguay are going to have a field day when the grown-ups are away. You'll thank us in five months' time when you're in Uruguay meeting some Australian from the other side of the world. The chat runs dry. Wow, I had no idea Uruguay was so small Yeah, it is small actually It's much smaller than you think But it's just that tiny little bit in South America, isn't it? It's not a very big country Yeah, yeah, yeah Do we have any listeners in Uruguay? Podcast at qi.com Ooh, nice Lovely stuff Send us some Frey Bentos This Tokyo Sky Tower is a radio and television tower Now we spoke about one very recently The BT Tower So it's a hot topic on the fish world right now This one is amazing I've been reading a bit about it Well yeah, give us some So guess what they did for the 10th anniversary To celebrate it Was it a pun?

26:58It was, no it wasn't Okay, what's the famous Japanese cultural thing? Godzilla More artist, even more artistic Anime? Even more artistic AKP48? Kabuki theatre Oh yeah They have the ancient centuries old form of theatre And they have really famous actors And it's quite dynastic as well, isn't it? So sometimes you'll do it because you're great-great-grandfather, etc. did it. So for the 10th anniversary of the Skytree Tower, they got a kabuki actor called Ichikawa Ibizo the 11th to perform his famous glare from the top of the building. That's incredible! It's so good. There's a famous glare called the Nirami, and it's done by moving each eye in different directions.

27:44Oh, that's cool. Which is good. And also that means that Ichikawa Ibizo the 11th could qualify as a fighter pilot, because I believe you have to do that to be a fighter pilot. To be able to look in two different directions at once. I think you have to have one eye on the MIG who's up ahead and you have to have one eye on your instruments. I think Prince Harry can do it. Wait, is this a thing that you can make yourself do? No, you can train for that.

28:06James Harkin:So your brain can take in two different... Do you think Prince Harry's really good at doing those magic eye pictures? Yeah, definitely. He's incredible at it. All day outside Athena like I used to do trying to sing. He can get a book of those and just go through them. That's a tiger. That's a butterfly. That's a waterfall. He can just do it.

28:29Wow. Okay. Anyway, there you go. Olga, when you went to Tokyo, did you go to the Gotokuji Temple, which has got all those sort of cats that wave their arms? Do you know those ones that you see in Chinese restaurants? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, there's a temple just outside. It's just outside Tokyo, actually, where they have these. And the idea is that there was a guy, some priest or other was walking past and a cat let him come into the temple. And then that became the sort of lucky cat. And if you go there, there's thousands of them outside and you can, you know, pay 100 yen and get your own one and then write a message on it.

29:07Stuff like that. It's really cool. So is the cat waving you in as opposed to waving hello to you? Yeah, it is. Right. And also, actually, probably they evolved from waving penises, we think. so probably this story is like a new story and where they actually came is that they were used in brothels uh and they would have these lucky talismans in the shape of penises that were beckoning people into the brothels and they were the things that evolved into the cats i don't want to i i don't want to assume anything but what wouldn't the average person not be going to a brothel for a penis no but i suppose you just need some kind of symbol and It's hard to make a vagina wave.

29:48You've tried.

29:54James Harkin:Good Lord. I could tell as I started that sentence it was not going to end well. Wow. Yeah, gosh. But to answer your question, I did go and there's a tiny little cat at that temple that just says, please help. I have found, certainly for anyone who's not living in Tokyo possibly the most famous musician that they have certainly their songs is known more than most songs out there right so what you're saying is they're really famous in Tokyo but anyone else wouldn't have heard of it yeah and possibly in Tokyo they might not even know the name of the person but they will know the songs and be able to sing more songs of theirs than possibly any other composer are you gonna have a guess Andy?

30:38I think it's Mr. Mina the home office funded and she has a Miss Boy Band They're huge in Tokyo It's got to be the music in the underground Is it? Because whenever you go on a train Whenever you get into a station They play a certain song in every station There you go, that's what it is

30:53James Harkin:So it's not, what are they called? Misdemeanor? Misdemeanor I've just got the joke in their name Mr. Mina Because they're more mean No, I think terrorism is a misdemeanor A misdemeanor I think it works on three levels Get out This is huge arguably extremist terrorism is more than a misdemeanor isn't it misdemeanist god why are we talking about dad tell us do your joke it's not misdemeanor it's Mr. Minoru brilliant and this is Minoru Mukaya who is the underground train composer every train station has its own unique jingle for when a train comes in and goes out and he's done over 110 of them and he will visit each one and he will watch as the train comes in and try and invoke what kind of feeling it gives you.

31:45James Harkin:I thought they were just random. No, he does it station by station and every single one will be like, is this a historical area? I'm going to use old Japanese instruments. Is this a new area? We're going to use synths and electron. Oh my God, so they're not even all in the same style. No, exactly. That's so cool. Different song and different instruments. And it's not that it's useful for, say, blind people who need to hear where they are. It probably is. It's sort of a recognizable... i gotta say when i was in tokyo we actually stayed near shinjuku and whenever we got in i would recognize this like you would just recognize the songs as you moved along and you would know oh our station's coming it's not always that easy with the different kanji and stuff i guess that's fantastic what would you select for holborn oh that's a good question is it your theme tune our theme tune yeah there we go for sure what about margate then margates um oh god i do like to be beside the seaside.

32:36Yeah. Also, the Libertines live there, don't they? They do. There you go.

32:40James Harkin:Yeah, they're neighbors. Pizza friend. Pizza friend. Down, Libertines. It's a nightmare. Absolutely.

32:53Okay, it is time for fact number three, and that is James. Okay, my fact this week is that one idea to block Russian expansion in Eastern Europe is to create a 500-mile-long bog. it's so such a cool idea it's an amazing idea well i'm a big fan of pete and boggs and the big enemy of russia i'm in favor of blocking russian expansionism seems we've had a bit of that here actually like this is kind of one point of it so this is an article that i read in the week um this week and it's it does two things that the eu is really trying to do at the moment and that's number one stop russia from going west but also to um stop climate change and boggs can do

33:33James Harkin:both of those yeah because it if you get rid of a bog it releases a lot of co2 doesn't it yeah so if you make one it stores it stores it back so is this an extension of like trench warfare so you do a sort of world war one style trench and then you fill it with pete it's kind of how are we doing this but you don't put any humans in it i guess no but basically there's already a bog there it's a kind of it's a kind of phantom bog it is a phantom bog it's a phantom bog well it's It kind of exists, but it doesn't exist as much as they want it to. So at the moment, if you go from, let's say you go from Helsinki all the way down past the Baltic countries and then towards Poland and wherever.

34:12If you go on that line, there's a huge sort of boggy area that goes down there. But what they're going to try and do is make it more and more boggy. Can I ask who they are? NATO. NATO. So it's NATO, but it's also the governments of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland. and what they're trying to do is put more and more water there, more and more peat there, so that if anyone tries to come across, it's very difficult. And that's something that's happened in history in warfare, that you basically, you waterlog an area and soldiers can't get past.

34:40James Harkin:And what's really lucky is it says by chance almost, all of these boggy areas are on the border, but they're on NATO's side of the border outside of Russia. So you've got, as James says, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, it's all running down, but they wouldn't have to go into Russia in order to build these bogs. So it's sort of they can just do it. I love how eco-friendly this is. This is cool. And even better, Kaliningrad, which is like this little exclave of Russia. So it's still part of Russia, but it's not attached. And Belarus, which is like a real ally of Russia at the moment. There's a big old bog in between those places as well.

35:13So it's like a really different, that would be a really obvious place for an attack to happen. Because you could put your troops into Belarus and you can go through Kaliningrad. But actually there's a bog there, so you can't get through. And dare I say, maybe this is going to sound very stupid, but it almost makes you think that that's why the borders were drawn there in the first place. You're probably right. Okay. It's not a coincidence that the bogs are there.

35:35James Harkin:Someone's slapping their head going, damn it. What an idiot. But it's really fascinating because lots of this land, the reason I say it's a phantom bog is that it's been drained. There are ditches that have been cut and then the wet, watery mass of this land drains away and the bog dries out. Because they've tried to reclaim it for years, for centuries, in fact. For agricultural purposes, you know, it means you can expand your farming land. And so all you need to do really is to stop draining them and block up the drainage ditches. And then a couple of years later, you have a bog. And there are all sorts of arguments going on about, well, the farmers won't be very happy with this and they might need some kind of subsidies.

36:11So it's not being hugely enacted. But one of the guys proposing it is a guy called Hans Huston, who is known as the Peatland Pope. I just like him so much. Is our bog's solution to every problem? Pretty much, yeah. Have we considered a bog? Yeah. So it's fascinating. And this was done at the start of the war in Ukraine. It was the Ukrainian army. They blew up a dam which turned the whole of this Irpan River basin into a massive expanse of bogs and marshes. And it turned the area into what one defense consultant called an impassable turd. It just means you cannot drive a tank through there. But then actually also Russia did the same in Zaporizhia and they blew up another dam to stop the counteroffensive of Ukraine.

36:54So both sides are blowing them up. And also both of those dams were also blown up during World War II when Germany attacked and went towards Russia. This exact same thing happened where they tried to stop the Germans by blowing up these two particular, one on the Dnipro and one on the Irpan rivers.

37:11James Harkin:Can I ask, why are bogs not defeatable to most modern armies? The tanks can't get through them. Yeah, I get that, but you can't support the weight. No one's invented a thing that can just go, let's ride over the bogs? Airplanes? Airplanes. We have not considered an airplane.

37:31No, like, you can get through the bogs, but it just slows you right down. Yeah. And when you're being slowed down, you're more of a sitting duck. yeah and it forces you into a narrow path through the bog for example and then your enemy can just focus their fire on that narrow path yeah so you sort of can allies your opponent yeah yeah yeah

37:50James Harkin:it's pretty amazing isn't it the bog might be a huge contributor to and like andy says it's like it's not really happening that much at the moment but in finland it is and in poland it is so finland have started reclaiming their bogs for this specific reason in poland as well so yeah it is happening and it's also just from a sort of purely philosophical perspective always very comforting when the solution is like organic as opposed to it's like you know what's gonna defeat ai bogs yeah yeah it's like for the whole 20th century it was barbed wire but we had bogs all along you're absolutely right do you know what percentage of greenhouse gases going into the atmosphere are due to degraded peatlands oh my god andy i think you're gonna tell us welcome to quiz corner so this is one of your quizzes where we just guess a number between one and a hundred isn't it yeah I'm gonna say 38 % because 38 % is my official number now that that was the answer to a quiz question about how much urine was in the international space station I'm gonna go go itchy 51 % to be completely honest I was gonna say 51 % as well can you ask the question again what percentage of greenhouse gases going into the atmosphere I think it must be much lower than either of those.

39:01Due to degraded peatlands. And I'm going to be honest with you, Olga. If it was 38 or 51 % of all greenhouse gases being due to degraded peatlands, I think we might have got more of a move on to solve the problem before now. You've got to realise that in these quizzes, sometimes callbacks is more important than getting the answer right.

39:20James Harkin:I'm so sorry. I think that's an unfair clue to the final person in the quiz. Olga, would you like to guess maybe that 80 % of all greenhouse gases are due to degraded peatlands? I'm going to throw in 11. Well, you're closest. It's four to five. Four to five. Not 45. Otherwise, 51 would have robbed time. Yeah, but it is double flight. It's double all flights happening around the world. All hundreds of thousands of flights happening, you know, every day. It's due to degraded peatlands. That's crazy. And you know what's bad for it? What? Mushrooms. Is that so? I do not like mushrooms. it has been long said on this podcast but in the uk in the uk the mushrooms that you eat are made using peat that has been dug up from peatlands they have to basically put the peat on top of their like little bodies of mushrooms and that's what helps them to fruit and that's what helps you to get them and the The UK mushroom industry gives the equivalent emissions of more than 2 ,600 cars.

40:30It's time someone took down the UK mushroom industry. Big mushroom. I will say quite a small number of cars. For all mushrooms. I only have one car. Yeah, no, fair enough. Fair enough. No, but like, obviously it is bad to take Pete out of areas because it takes a long time to get them back. So I think they are looking to find other ways to make mushrooms rather than using peat. That's great. Am I correct in thinking that they used to use it for whiskey and they stopped, right? They certainly did. I think they might still use. I think it's now a significantly smaller amount from what I... Interesting.

41:06Because everyone's trying to go peat-free in terms of compost for your garden. You can still buy peat stuff, but there's been a big campaign saying you can probably use some peat-free compost, which you can get. So I didn't know that about the mushrooms.

41:17James Harkin:That's very cool. Have you guys heard about the 40-acre bog? 40-acre bog. Yeah. 40-acre bog. This is in Lake Chippewa, which is in Wisconsin. So this was a lake that was created in the 1920s. They flooded a swamp in order to do it. And as a result of it, this bog formed. That's 40 acres. And it sort of sits in the middle of the lake, but it moves around. A bog in the middle of a lake? Yeah, it's pretty amazing. So it's got sort of mud plains underneath it. And on top, it's very grassy and it's got a few trees, like thin trees sticking out. I have seen this. Yeah, it's pretty amazing because it's transient.

41:52James Harkin:It moves around all the time. So what happens is there's a bridge that goes over the lake and this bog keeps coming towards the bridge. And so what they do is they get all the boats and they line up against the bog and they shove it back out of the way. They all drive the bog. It's like an annual thing they have to do. They have to push the bog. Yeah, and it's not consistent. They have to check every morning that the bog isn't making its way back over. and so how does that even work I know it's wild isn't it if you've seen images of it it's pretty cool it's stunning it's absolutely stunning that's so cool so it doesn't I assume it doesn't go that deep into the water if it's movable no no no no it's not very far down it's just floating peat it's floating matter yeah that is so cool does anyone know where is the world's biggest bog it's somewhere that's been mentioned on this podcast already Tokyo not in Tokyo will it be somewhere But I'm going to guess somewhere in Eastern Europe, somewhere like Belarus.

42:46You're close. It's Russia. Okay. It's the great... I mean, if you have that much land mass, statistically speaking. Yeah, absolutely. It's the great Vasyugyan Maya. It's in Siberia. And it is twice the size of whales. Goodness. But again, to Russia, that's nothing. They've got areas the size of whales coming out of their ears. And it comes from melting permafrost, basically. so the water melts from the permafrost goes into this area and becomes a marshy land and the worst thing about it is the flies and midges that live there if you ask locals they say that there's so many midges they can drink enough blood from a random traveller that they will die of midge bites oh the traveller will die not the midge dies of no they're having a great time but yeah that's what they say and there is no doubt there is a lot of midges there but whether they can actually drain you of all your blood I think probably not.

43:41But anyone who works there has to wear like hazmat suits or like beekeeper suits so that they don't get bitten. Oof, not for me. No, I don't like it. Not for me. I don't even like one bitch. Now, we all know Ireland. Oh, I love it. Yeah. How many Waleses is that? They've got vast peaty areas. They do, okay. But how many Irish people, according to the latest censors, heat their homes by burning peat? 51 38 Olga? 2 It's 68 ,000 Wow 68 ,000 Wow That's more than I would have thought Yeah, for sure I thought we were doing percentages I don't think Ah Sorry Well, it's 1 % of the population So you're not far off Is it really?

44:29Yeah They've got these raised bogs Thank you But there are some bog bastards As I'm calling them Bog bastards Okay Is that an official term? Or is it No For majors That's an AHM original But those are people who are sneakily cutting Special conservation areas of bogs Because a lot of these bogs are now protected From a scientific viewpoint, why would I burn peat over wood? Does it burn longer? I think just there's loads of peat around I think it would burn longer I think so, yeah It contains more carbon, doesn't it? I'm pretty sure Those bogs in Ireland is where you would find Tories Speaking of bog bastards Oh really?

45:05So Tory, I think as we've said before was an old sort of word for an outlaw in Ireland, especially a Roman Catholic one. They would call them Tories. And then eventually it became, I can't remember how it became a word for conservatives. Oh, is that where it's from? Yeah, it did originally. That's fascinating. But yeah, they would live in the bogs, these outlaws, and then they would come and attack your sheep and stuff. Wow. We've got Pete and Margate.

45:31James Harkin:Have you? Yeah. Pete Doherty. Bloody annoying me all the time, eh? Yeah, here we go. Number one comedy podcast. In the UK.

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46:43James Harkin:Okay, it is time for our final fact of the show, and that is Andy. My fact is, when the first ever online pizza delivery was made, a hundred journalists turned up to report on it. The driver got lost, it took an hour to deliver, and the pizza was long-called. Wow. So this is something that was printed in the LA Times in 1994, which I love to read. only a few months before TLC released Crazy Sexy Cool it's the 1994 podcast it really is Clive Davis was the one to order the pizza to sort of try and get out of the hostage situation please help he's typing yeah there was this article headlined online pizza idea is clever but only half baked brilliant and it was by Pizza Hut Giants of the Sea they always do stuff like that But this was genuinely an innovation.

47:34So they launched a thing called PizzaNet. It was in Santa Cruz. And I think this was hosted at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Basically, no one had really tried. Not many people had done e-commerce like this, especially not with a pizza. What, not in 1994? This is so long ago. And you had to put in your stats. You had to put in your order. The data was then sent to Pizza Hut HQ in Kansas, quite a long way away. it was relayed via a modem to your nearest pizza hut branch who would then phone you up to check that you weren't pranking them and then eventually after that had all been gone through then they would start making you your pizza and deliver it to your home and they got 100 journalists in to report on this i mean how many people had the internet by then i reckon it was about then that i went to jodrell bank which is a big um telescope in the north of england and that was the only place that had the internet yeah it's like i've never seen the internet did you go online yeah what'd you do i searched i was really into fantasy football at the time so i searched for the word fantasy and got as a 14 year old boy uh-oh a lot of knowledge that i previously

48:41James Harkin:have results gosh nice did you have a chadral bank

48:54James Harkin:it is early internet isn't it and 94 that's when amazon launched yeah 95 is when ebay launched it's way older than i realized there was almost nothing on the internet back then newspapers would run articles saying here are the best websites to go to which i love i think we could do with that again yeah you know because the internet's been sort of it's like there are now only about what four websites now? I'm always looking for a new website. I love a new website. What do you mean? I want new cool stuff. It used to be when we started, when I started working at QI that you could search for carrot facts and you would get a page of someone who really liked carrots writing 20 incredible facts really well sourced about carrots.

49:31In Comic Sans with like a sort of MySpacey background of carrots. Now you put in carrot facts and AI goes, did you know that carrots are all green? And you're like, oh right, are you sure? I think they're orange oh yes they are orange i'm sorry about that wait you guys are extremely smart this is unrelated to anything but can someone explain to me i'm the one the quote-unquote tech person here why can't it say i don't know why can't it say no and second of all why can't it tell me where it got its knowledge because it's because it's stolen from somewhere else they don't want to reveal it i don't know yeah that's fair i'm sure i can google this it would just be so much more reliable if it said i don't know wouldn't it be great but i don't i'm not interested in making a better product never mind but don't you think that's just true of humans in general right so many people if you ask them especially people on the internet if you ask them something they'll just pretend they know the answer and say yeah if we all learned how to say i don't know a bit more then wouldn't the world be a better place i don't know yeah grubhub have you heard of grubhub love grubhub yeah it's like like delivery for americans or something yeah i don't really know are we over pizza hut i just have one more thing to say which is i i had assumed that um hiring Gorbachev to be in one of their ads was the coolest thing they did in the 90s.

50:42Wow. Oh. Essentially, it's Gorbachev enjoying pizza at Pizza Hut and then different people at the restaurant are debating whether he's a good or a bad guy. Right. And the ending is, well, he's the one who brought Pizza Hut. So I guess like the conclusion is that you can't beat Pizza Hut, but it was more nuanced in terms of where people were standing than you'd think. Pizza Hut in our times. That's a joke about peace in our time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which was something that Gorbachev didn't say. That was Neville Chamberlain.

51:09James Harkin:I literally just moved to number two in the comedy charts just then. I don't know. Did you guys feel that? It's like a shudder. Pizza Hut in our times.

51:22Meanwhile, at Parenting Hell, they're like, oh, did you feel that? It just felt like we lifted a little bit.

51:28James Harkin:Andy must have done a terrible joke.

51:34James Harkin:In my house, we grew up with a giant painting of Gorbachev on our lounge room wall. Did you? Yeah. Again, I'm going to say lie Is that true? Yeah We had one of him and one of Chairman Mao What? Yeah, so it was knock-offs of Andy Warhol's collection of pop art And they bought it in a market somewhere But I grew up with Gorbachev on my wall Wondering, who is this guy? Is he good or bad? Oh, interesting Didn't know the pizza thing had resolved that Yeah, all you had to do was watch the ad We grew up with a series of Russian leader themed matryoshka in my house Oh, did you? Yeah, you know, the Russian dolls The one on the outside was the biggest one I have a name

52:19Lovely And we're back to number one Feels good The big one, was it Stalin on the outside? No, the big one was the newest one who was Yeltsin at the time And then it was going all the way back to Lenin, I think Grubhub is a food delivery system them online right it was started by a guy called colin wallace and he was a school child and he wanted to get a sandwich to his classroom without the teacher noticing and so he created a computer program which took a text from his phone uh sent it to a fax which was delivered to a restaurant and then they would send the sandwich to the to the classroom right amazing that's genius and then eventually sort of turned that into a much bigger thing and then got bought out by some squillionaires but yeah i love the origin stories i don't know if you guys do um business ideas here but oh yeah we do we do none of them has taken off yet okay but like you know how there's like the founder movie right which is like for the mcdonald's founder movie like that that type of thing imagine with that it would be like a disney channel original founder movie about like a guy in school yeah oh that's a cute idea wouldn't that be so cute so you've come up with an idea for a cultural thing yes a movie pitch don't worry we do those too okay sorry i take it back it wasn't a business idea it was a business idea for us to make money off this movie yeah it's a great yeah that's really good like a kid's founder movie it's like capitalism for kids so what's it called grub hub something about sandwich something about facts um we can do this we can definitely do this come on guys number one this is why we're number one bready steady go

54:05James Harkin:bready steady go no for a kids film it's like recess yeah it's gotta be like something about recess school um a detention but with bread in it just put the word bread into the word detention yeah yeah de-bred-tion the new number one founder movie there we go It's good to have something to be asked about in interviews on the press round So how do we say the name of this How's it pronounced? Debrechen Pun you see It's going to be huge in Japan

54:46James Harkin:Oh dear Yeah Okay I'm so sorry That might be the one that takes off Yeah, last week's Google for smells did not go anywhere, Olga, so we're up for new business ideas. Can I tell you guys about Jane Snowball? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, she was a 72-year-old British woman and she did the first ever online grocery order. In what year? 1951. 1951. 1938. And Olga, you've got a real chance to score the triple here. Okay, I'm going 1996. 1996. It's 1984 This is insane But you said she was in her 70s? Yes She was simply the end user of the product She had very little to do with the development I'm afraid But I still think in your 70s At that time It's going to be tough to use new technology No offence to anyone in their 70s But it's become more difficult as you get older But she's 72, this is 1984 This is a long time ago Well hang on That's when I was born It's not that long It's a lot Imagine that No one has the internet In their homes Yeah You know And basically I just want you to know The entire time you're speaking I'm trying to put the word Sub into CEO Is it fitting?

56:05No Sorry Keep working on it Olga If I look distracted I'll tell these guys But basically She lived in Gateshead She had bad hips She couldn't get to the shops and there was this thing being run by Gateshead Council called the Gateshead Shopping Experiment. And this developer, Michael Aldrich, set up a thing where she could use her TV to get access to a huge number of shops. Like through Teletext or something. Kind of. I'm slightly struggling with how exactly it worked because I don't think she was pressing her screen. She shouldn't have been anyway. But it allowed her to go through every product that the shops had and order via her telly.

56:45It was unbelievably advanced at the time. Do we not have a name for the boy? For what? The boy in the film? Yeah, he was called Colin Wallace Wallace Greg's Wallace It'd be like Wallace and Gromit But the Gromit has to be bread Wallace and Grubhub Wallace and Grainy Bread No, keep going Grain Hill Grain Hill Because it's Grange Hill

57:08James Harkin:Is good It's actually good School-based thing Can we move on? No I'm so sorry We'll get it eventually We would usually move on but it's such a good idea. Podcast at qr.com. Send in your titles for the bread-based... Disney Channel original movie. What's it about? Oh, the Grubhub boys. Teen CEO. Teen CEO of Grubhub. Inventor, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shall we wrap up soon? Yeah. All right, here's a quiz. What was the first thing sold securely on the internet? It's also 1994. It's about 10 days before the pizza idea was launched. The first thing ever sold on eBay was a broken laser pointer. Very good.

57:48I know that. But this was before that, right? Yeah. It's the first time anyone bought anything that was properly with secure data. So previously, people had used ARPANET to buy and sell weed, things like that. But that was just arranging a meeting place. That's not properly an online transaction. Was it an Oasis album? 1994? It's an album. Oh. Okay. It's not TLC's Crazy Sexy Cool, is it? It's not.

58:11James Harkin:Is it someone from the 90s? I'd say so. He's still alive. I know the answer to this I'm bowing out of the corner Brian Adams What's a good answer I'm just transporting into 94 Not bad Who else is Meatloaf British There's no way of saying it without you immediately He likes having sex for a really long time Rod Stewart With his wife Trudy Styler Yeah It's Sting It was Sting's album, Ten Summoners Tales. And it was a guy called Phil Brandenberger in Philadelphia. This weirdly, this fact unites all of our facts today. Because it was bought in 1994. That's TLC. It was the first major hit he had since his previous hit, which was called Russians.

59:07Uh-huh. Very nice.

59:09James Harkin:And the title of the album, what was it, Andy? Ten Summoners Tales? Yeah. It's a pun. Is it a pun? It's a pun His surname is Sumner isn't it? His surname is Sumner And it is a pun On the Canterbury Tales Of which there was a character Called Sumner So it's got a pun It's got Russia And it's got 1994 The release of TLC Damn End the show now That's amazing That's like That's a bravura That's a now you see me 3 level Yeah And that's a compliment Yeah yeah yeah

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