No Such Thing As Elizabeth I's Burnt Umber

24:46Very nice

24:49James Harkin:What a bunch of c***s They were It was funny because I also did the thing that I now know You don't do after dinners or corporates But I was very green at the time And I sat and had dinner with them When you say you were green It was Tuesday

25:06James Harkin:I was going to say It is an elite to sing I slightly give the Queen a pass because it is the Queen I feel like that's part of the job having lots of horses. And I do like what a nerd she was about it because she properly was. She would even have CCTV cameras installed at Sandringham Stud Farm so that she could see the birth of horses. She'd get an alert. She was really invested in it. And also the names are so geeky. So the families of various horses that she had. So there was one called Hypotenuse who had foals that were called Geometrist, Equal Sum, Longside, Pythagorean. There was Wink of an Eye who was the son of momentary and her mother was fleeting memory so she had all these names but anyway they're all being sold off because i think charles is not as into it um and the guardian has estimated that if all the horses are sold it's going to be roughly 27 million that they'll make off the back wow yeah yeah he still keeps horses like ceremonial horses doesn't he but he just doesn't do the horse race yeah so uh he in 2024 he appointed captain cat anderson as the first female equerry to a sovereign in history wow progress progress one step at a time something about not touching royals yeah i read a newspaper article from the early 20th century and it said that in 1894 there was a footman of the king of spain who was in the palace and young Prince Alfonso was walking across and then fell down some stairs and this footman caught him and was immediately fired for touching a member of the royal family.

26:47Oh, really? Let them die. That's the moral. Just let them go. Apparently the Queen Mother then rewarded him with a generous private pension, but he didn't get his job back because the rules were you're just not allowed to touch them. Gosh.

26:59James Harkin:How many royals have you guys touched? Not one. I've met one, but I've not... You didn't touch? I didn't touch her. but I met the Queen. Oh. Well, I say I met the Queen. I was a student nurse and I was working at the Homson Hospital in Hackney and she came to open a new bit of the, it was a stroke rehab unit I worked on. Right. And she, it was mad because that day Hackney got tidied up. I've never seen anything like it. There were street sweepers out. That's a job and a half, isn't it? That's right. Right? Or just the route that she was going, not all of Hackney, obviously. Oh, these buildings are on.

27:37murder miles looking very pretty this morning all this artwork appeared in the hospital the day before yeah all went again the day oh i really yeah wherever wherever she went that art went yeah it's weird everywhere i go has the same paintings it was like was it catherine the great who had the potemkin villages that she thought wherever she went the like the villages of russia were so beautiful and stuff because wherever she went, they just built them. That was a sort of courtier called Potemkin, right? His name was Potemkin and he built these like... But I wonder if the queen thought that as well and the king thinks that.

28:11It's just like, oh, London's lovely. East London is gorgeous. The old joke is that everywhere she goes smells of fresh paint. So she thinks that's what the world smells like. Yes, exactly. There was a man came round from the palace like the week before she came to teach us how to curtsy if we wanted to curtsy. We didn't have to, but if you wanted to, you could. and to teach us that it was man rhyme with ham, not mom. But none of us were allowed to take annual leave that day. So we all had to sort of line up. And she did the classic. She stopped in front of, there's me in my uniform and a physiotherapist next to me.

28:43And she stopped and looked at me and did the, what do you do? It's like, I'm first. Not with that hair. Oh, the entertainment's around. Dan, you wouldn't have asked the question if you hadn't touched a memory. I was counting in my head.

29:00James Harkin:I'm on four. I'm on four. You've touched four royal? Yeah. It was when you were on the island, wasn't it?

29:08James Harkin:Sorry, I've been touched by four.

29:14James Harkin:Let me point to the bits they touched. No, the queen. I've touched the queen. I thought you weren't. No, you're not allowed to touch the queen. You can't touch her. It used to be royal equerry. We shook hands. That's touching. Are you allowed to shake her hand? That's very rare What? That's very rare No Well Yeah Okay Well that's I mean She must have liked you Yeah she must have taken to me She only usually does fist bumps Doesn't she? Since Covid it's been ever Yeah yeah So I shook hands with the Queen Gave Philip a high five I had a thumb wall with Edward Yeah And the old full body with Prince Andrew Yeah

30:00James Harkin:how much of that is true any of it well no i shook the queen's hand i shook philip's hand i shook edward's hand and then i shook the former princess of denmark's hand uh but when i was a kid she was um weirdly our neighbor in hong kong before before she was james you're gonna say You're going to say truth or lie.

30:23James Harkin:Okay, it is time for fact number three. And that is my fact. My fact this week is that the 10th best Formula One driver in the world can't drive. When I say drive, I mean regular cars. He can't drive regular cars. Now, this was Arvid Lindblad. And he is a very young Formula One driver. He's 18 and he was talking to Max Verstappen, who also started very young. In fact, will be forever the youngest Formula One driver because rules have changed and you have to now be 18 and older. And he was 17 when he was driving. And they were having a chat and he said something about you driving. He said, no, I don't have a license.

31:04James Harkin:And so he can sit behind the wheel of a Formula One car, but he can't drive on a regular road. So do you get a different license? A super license. Super license. Yeah, so the FIA, the Fédération Internationale d 'Automobile, the FIA, they issue super licences for Formula One racing. And so Arvid Lindblad and Kimi Antonelli, who drives for Mercedes, he was issued an early super licence as well in 2024. What's the point? No one's stopping you in the middle of a race and saying, excuse me, sir. Do you know how fast you were going back there? But you can get points on your super licence. Can you? And you can have it reversed.

31:44Absolutely. Really? So it's a rolling 12 months. So there was a point where, oh, who was it? There was a driver who almost got, because you get a race ban. It might have been Max Verstappen, actually, who had almost 12 points within a 12-month period. And if you get that, you get a race ban. And what is it for? So it can be if you do something really dangerous, essentially. So if it's something where, because there's normal penalties during racing. You've got stop-go penalties. You've got five-second penalties, 10-second penalties, grid place penalties. So you start the next race five grid places back from where you qualify and things like that.

32:21But if you do something really bad, you get points on your license.

32:24James Harkin:You also get fined for swearing. You do get fined for swearing. Even in the car. There's so many weird... Inside the car. On the radio. Because the radio messages are all broadcast. So they're really... And it's been because of Mohamed bin Suliam, who's the head of the F1. He is from a Muslim country, etc. So he's been really hot on... And the drivers really had a backlash against him because they're like, well, you try crashing at 200 miles an hour and not swearing. It feels like swearing is one thing, but if you're going, fuck! I think you turn a blind eye to that. I think you mean, flip! but they they um so they brought sorry they broadcast these you can hear them talking to their radio and they actually now have a show you can watch after the broadcast where they play all the oh just like the best of the radio something even drier than formula one it's not dry it's great a formula one isn't dry but b the radio messages are so funny but they're fighting back so the they have like a driver's association and the driver association are saying you know if we swear but it's to make a point as opposed to insulting someone then that should be fine so max verstappen who we've mentioned he was fined for saying his car was fucked during a press conference his car was fucked but there you go during a press conference come on yeah one thing i like about this super license is that you have to do a theory test to get it as well just like a normal license so yeah there's a knowledge test uh which is on the international sporting code and f1 sporting regulations and then on top of that the team has to show that you've driven at a certain speed for a certain number of kilometers in a one-seater car right in order for you to get that and you need to quite often you need to have done well in other races that are not formula one i see i mean it all makes sense doesn't it is that would i guess would there be a hazard perception test there's an elderly lady crossing the road five miles ahead of you but you're gonna be on We're in three seconds.

34:29So what are you going to do? So this is an interesting thing about the age. So this guy is very young that we're talking about. Yes. The first guy. But there are also, there are very young and there are very old drivers at the moment. Is that right? Somewhere in their 40s. Fernando Alonso. He's 45, I think. Absolutely. Absolutely. Luis Hamilton's 41 now, I think. Yeah. But it's a really big range within the sport. and I think the oldest ever Formula One champion was Juan Manuel Fangio of Argentina. And so he was, ages ago he was racing, it was in the 50s. And he did his last one in 1957, aged 46 years old, was I think his last victory.

35:08And when he started, I just love, I mean, because obviously Formula One is so technical, it's amazingly complicated. There are incredibly clever teams working on, you know, how to make the cars more aerodynamic and all of this. When he was doing his racing, helmets were made of cloth until 1952. Oh, yeah. And helmets were made compulsory that year. And they were made of papier-mâché, I read. Oh. I know, pie-shaped helmets. You would get covered in soot inside your car because the cars are much more basic and you weren't protected. And, of course, people died by the dozen every single year. Yeah.

35:43I love looking at the photographs from, like, 1950s race, because it's not 1950, so it's 75 years of Formula One last year. and there was a great exhibition I went to and you look at the photos of the drivers from the 50s and they're fat. And since, you know, in modern Formula 1 cars with a monocoque chassis and feet, they're tiny drivers. You don't get big F1 drivers. They're like jockeys. Are they? Because it's a tiny space they have to sit in and you want them light because obviously you don't want them to weigh down the car. You've got a weight limit for the car. And it's just these fat blokes with beer bellies and fags.

36:18You just don't see that in Formula 1 now. It's brilliant when you look at those old pictures. I found a list of all the people who have ever raced in Formula 1. Paddy Driver participated in two races, scoring no points. Scott Speed was the first American driver to race in Formula 1 since Michael Andretti. That was in 2006. Hans Stuck was a German guy. He was really interesting because he was friends with Hitler. And then after the war, if you were German, you weren't allowed to be in Formula One. And that's because you needed to be a member of a society. And after the war, you weren't allowed new clubs in Germany.

37:04No one was allowed to join a club. And Formula One club, which you would need to join your international authority, you weren't allowed to have them. So he then went to Austria and said, oh, no, I'm Austrian. So I'm going to buy for them instead. That's very interesting.

37:19James Harkin:One thing I was reading about, because I do find it quite exciting to watch Formula One. But one thing I think I'd be more excited to watch is the pre-season testing of Formula One. Because this is where the cars are making, in some cases, their debut with new mechanics and new things. But they try and hide what that is before the actual start of the Formula One. Sunbagging. yeah yeah and so there's all these different methods that they use so for example you remember those ships that were supposedly um black and white and all those the dazzle the dazzle ships they do that with formula one cars so that you can't quite spot where they might have rearranged certain positions or they'll change all the stickers so you think the exhaust is in one spot but actually it's in another um they try as much as they can to disguise it just so you don't get what they've done to their new cars but on top of that if they've signed a new rookie or if someone's trying to make a comeback what they'll often do is they'll have one of their existing drivers lend their helmet and so they'll walk out oh i thought you're gonna say oh i thought you're gonna say mission impossible style rubber masks that's a shame well they might be wearing full might be under the helmet but a bit just in case no but they'll go out in the helmet of another driver so that they think oh it's just him doing his test but actually it's someone louis hampton the six inches shorter this year that's weird you would have to find someone whose head was the same size though right I don't know, once you're in a monocoque though, I suppose, or they just do the design.

38:45That's the sort of what you're sat in, the bit around you. But the pre-season testing was really interesting this year because there's been a big rule change in Formula One this year. So from 2022 up until 2025, they had ground effect cars. So with really high downforce, low floors. And there's been a complete rule change now. So basically, the reason engine manufacturers put lots of money into Formula One is because it is a way of sort of testing things for road cars and to advertise their road cars and everything in the future. So there's always Formula One car development has to sort of mirror in some ways what's happening on the road.

39:23Right. And like proper Formula One fans don't really want that because we want big old stinking V8 engines that, you know, make that lovely noise that make your ears pop. You don't want the cars to have to plug in every 45 minutes. Exactly. I mean, I don't know if you've watched Formula E, but it's really tedious. But this year's rule change... Andy, calm down. Calm down, Andy. Some of us enjoy watching fast chargers doing their thing, okay? So the cars now have this sort of energy recovery system, so it's all about they can harvest energy when they're braking and then employ it on straight. They've all got batteries as well.

40:04They've all got badges. So the hybrid era has been since 2014 or so. So they had, before that, from 2009, you had the KERS system, which was a kinetic energy recovery system. And then that sort of evolved. Because the thing is, if you make the car too efficient, you don't get overtakes, and that's boring. I see. Overtakes are the things you want. So they're constantly changing the rules to try and get more overtakes. There is a button now that they can press called the overtake button, which just means they can use that energy they've harvested to boost an overtake. so when they use that function like a nitro button is it basically yeah like it's like mario

40:38James Harkin:kart like your bullet in mario kart yeah and it looks like that it just when they press it and it just overtakes it looks like they're completely different formulas like they're just oh okay have they considered adding like shells and bananas more people would watch i think even andy would watch the cursing that you mentioned obviously that or not obviously but that's now in all electric cars basically so the reason one of the reasons you get so far on your in your electric car without charging is because it can regain energy from the braking system and that began in formula one yes the formula one drivers they do all the you know they do lots of training obviously because it's much more physical than it used to be i didn't know this what's the most important thing for a formula one driver to practice their neck muscles it's neck day so when you're driving this car and you're going around the corners and you're whizzing along and all of that supposedly your head weighs five times what it normally does partly the helmet and partly the gravitational force is acting on you and so often they can't buy normal clothes because they've got this whacking great neck basically look to form like yeah formula one they're small with these they're all neck and headbangers people who love metal music headbangers would make great formula one drivers because they're doing all this training so and the images of them training their necks are so funny because they'll release shots sometimes of them wearing this mad brace, like one of those helmets you'd wear for a psychiatric experiment, but with a thick rubber cord coming off it.

42:05And at the other end of the rubber cord is a trainer who is just hauling their neck over in one direction, and they're trying to resist it. That I get mirror touch synesthesia. When I look at that, that makes my neck hurt. They're so strong and fit now. And they sweat so much. They lose so much weight during a race. And particularly in the really like Singapore or places where they're it's really hot and they're so they have water to drink in the car they have a water system but what I think people don't realize is the water is right by the engine and so it's after a couple of laps it's basically like tea it's like hot water they have to drink Damon Hill did once have tea in his famously and another great Damon Hill fact if you want it played a guitar solo on a Def Leppard track so I grew up at Brown's Hatch basically I was there every week both my parents worked there and that's why I love motorsport particularly Formula 1 and I can remember going the Kentagon is the name of the pub at Brown's Hatch so it's a pentagon and it's in Kent and I can remember after races going in there and him and his band playing really amazing what's Def Leppard again a band no no

43:18James Harkin:as in what genre oh like sort of hair rock really yeah probably some good headbanging oh yeah maybe that's why yeah and there's also I'm quite interested in female Formula 1 drivers oh yeah there have been female drivers in Formula 1 there's only ever been one female driver score points in a Formula 1 race and that was Lella Lombardi she was an Italian driver and it was in 1975 and she scored half a point and that was because if a race is less than 60 % complete, you only get half the points. And during the race, there were fatalities, unfortunately. There was a German driver who crashed into a spectator pit and there was a fireman and a couple of journalists and a spectator were killed.

44:05So it was pretty. But she scored half a point. So she's the only person to ever score points. But yeah, there's loads of really, there's a little shout out to Alicia Pomosky at the moment who's a Red Bull driver. She's got her first poll last week in the F1 Academy. So there's lots of women drivers coming through now. So hopefully in the next 10 years, we'll see another. Yeah, very exciting. Because also you think like smaller in general, average. So like you get lots of female jockeys, for instance. Yeah. I think part of the problem is, which is always part of the problem with Formula One is money because you have different types, you know, some people get their seats in Formula One on merit purely and some get their seats in Formula 1 because they also bring money.

44:49So Lance Stroll, for example, who drives to Aston Martin, a pretty terrible Formula 1 driver and there's lots of people much more deserving of that seat but his dad owns the team. What are you going to do? He basically bought the team for his son to have a seat in Formula 1. The thing is, you want a nice egalitarian sport like Polo. Exactly, that's what you need.

45:13James Harkin:okay it is time for our final fact of the show and that is james okay my fact this week is that in 16th century london there was a chain of pubs that sold laxatives on tap

45:30any questions so many so 16th so this is queen elizabeth could have gone to one of these Oh, yeah. Well, in fact, this person who made them, Dr. William Butler, he was a physician to James I. Oh, really? So only just after her, in fact. Wow. And he was definitely around at that time. I'm not sure how often Queen Elizabeth went to the pub. Probably not much. Not that much. Yeah, yeah. But he was a physician and he became famous for various reasons we might go into. but one of the things he did was make this thing called purging ale which had aniseed caraway licorice and beer and if you went to quite a lot of pubs in london you would be able to get it on tap and it was good for you because you would purge your body it was medicinal let's say in a beer it was it was it was like beer but with all this stuff in it imagine um a nice cask pale ale that you would get today but with a few what's the opposite of a modium he's like a he's like a original hipster brewery yeah kind of character isn't he um now i'd rather that than syrup of figs i think it sounds quite nice yeah yeah uh and actually there's still a pub in london called old dr butler's head in moorgate uh which claims to be associated with him and that he sold his beer in that pub right now the actual truth is we're not even certain if he made the beer himself it was definitely named after him and he was definitely a physician but it could be that he was just so famous that they called it his beer yeah so we're not sure about that some pubs had his portrait hung up but again it might have been just associated with a famous doctor sort of license his name yeah yeah kind of yeah yeah he's a really interesting chap this guy so he went to Clare College, Cambridge and did an arts degree and then for some reason managed to get a physician's license and it's not certain how he got it they seem to have just given it to him and he just worked at an apothecary shop for ages in Cambridge and then one day a local clergyman had fallen into an opium induced coma and been given up for dead and Butler killed a cow Put the priest inside the cow And the priest was cured And from that moment he became famous It's going to wake you up Being put in a cow isn't it Or it's going to make the opium Induced trip even wilder What's it Cut the cow open Is it the revenant Where he kind of lives inside a bear Yes it does It's a bit like that My dog on the beach once She was running towards something She's a little cockapoo I'm like, what's she running?

48:18And she climbed inside a seal carcass. The smell, I can still smell it now. And I think, oh, my God. That's a bath. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. She was so proud of herself, you know. That's amazing.

48:31James Harkin:A real career defining moment, I think. The placing a patient inside a cow. He was 68 at that stage. And we see basically nothing of him throughout the whole of history from his birth until this moment. And then suddenly at the age of 68, he becomes nationally famous. And so much so that King James I had a hunting injury. And he said, get me the cow guy. Because if the clergyman had died, I don't think you can recover from that. But what's he got to lose? It sounds like he's not made a big success of his career so far. He's doing fine. If he died, would you just take him out of the cow and pretend you never did it?

49:11I think you'd have to. It was like that when I got here. i read somewhere they they called him an empiric physician oh yeah which meant he based his treatments not on any theory but purely on reasoning and experience yeah you want them to have read some books i guess so yeah um he had a few weird things if someone came to him with epilepsy he would shoot a couple of firearms close to their heads to scare the condition out of them yep it's like getting rid of the hiccups isn't it if someone had ague which i guess is what is ague it's like malaria kind of thing yeah um but he would push them into the thames because like cold water therapy i mean you still do cold water therapy today rim hoff method he was butler was there before them all i did read i read one thing he did where there was a patient who had catarrh, severe catarrh.

50:06What's that? Flat nose. Heavy sort of matter on the lungs. A sniffle. A sniffle.

50:13James Harkin:No, it's more, it's sort of a heavy, chesty, a really chesty condition, right? And Butler said, right, you've got to smoke an ounce of tobacco, which is a lot. And it took the patient 25 pipes of tobacco, one after the other. Very much like a parent catching you smoking one cigarette and making you... But apparently that completely cured the patient. I mean some citation needed I think Didn't come back for 17 years Didn't it? He died of lung disease Didn't have a cold anymore That was the most important thing This is the 1500s I mean we are It's probably in line with what A lot of doctors were practicing Or trying or testing at the time I got this new method with the cow Oh great He was a spicy fellow when you disagreed with him He was quite something about it So he got involved in A gold clipping affair Yeah.

51:02So that is where, you know, coins are made of gold. And if you clip off a little bit of the edge, you've suddenly got this. You've still got the coin, but you've got the gold as well. Fantastic. You know, if you do that, you can you can make it big. And that's why we have the edges on a pound coin. Isaac Newton supposedly put those up. Exactly. Yeah. To stop people from clipping them. Exactly. So someone from he was in Cambridge. He was practicing in Cambridge. And someone from Trinity College, Cambridge, a senior called Paul Thompson, was sentenced to death for this crime because it was incredibly serious at the time, interfering with the currency, big no-no.

51:35Butler wrote to him, I just love this. Okay, this is the quote he sent to him. He just wrote to him saying, oh, you've been sentenced to death and you've been caught doing this. Well, I've got a letter from Butler. Maybe that'll cheer me up. Butler wrote, your giddy-headed, fantastic, fiddling fingers and scribbling pen, directed by the motion of your quicksilver brain without penitency, pretending piety, practicing policy, will bring you to a violent end. As you have always lived a conceited wizard, so now you will die a Ninnyhammer fool.

52:04James Harkin:Oh, wow. Yes. It's the next Hamilton. Burn. Yeah. A Ninnyhammer fool. Ninnyhammer. I love that there was lots of plosives at the top. Oh, yeah. It's very good for tossing a mic. Absolutely. It's quite nice that there's a pub still named after him because the connection, it seems, is that you could buy this laxative on tap there. But actually, he was known to basically be in the pub all the time getting pissed. And he had an assistant called Nell. And Nell did a few things. But Nell's chief job was to go and collect him at the end of the night, drunk from the pub, and sort of wheel him home in a wheelbarrow or carry him or whatever method he needed.

52:47James Harkin:How many pints of laxative ale have you had? Not many. Well, haven't you? The trousers tell a different story.

52:55Oh, dear. I've got something about, because I was really fascinated by the fact it was laxative ale. Oh, yeah. And the whole sort of brewing, because, you know, it was women who first brewed beer, so you had your ale wife's wood. And there's something called groaning ale. I don't know if you've heard of this. No, what's that? Groaning ale. So when a woman was pregnant, a local ale wife, so one of these local brewing women, would brew a batch of really strong ale for when she went into labour. and when she went into labour both her and the midwife would drink the really strong ale to help the whole process.

53:30Wow. I think that's something they should bring. Yeah, that's really cool. Not the midwife though, I'm not sure about that. That's true. Well, this was the thing, so beer at the time, and we're talking like ages ago now, I mean sort of medieval, was homebrewed and you might put a pole above your door just saying you've got ale. I like that. You've Got Ale. Ale, oh my God, that's it. That's a rom-com we need to make. That's really good. That's really good. Angela Barnes stars in You've Got Ale. I'm game, somebody write that up. And so there were bride ales as well as the groaning ales. An ale was almost an event as well as an actual drink itself.

54:15And then the Black Death happened and a third of the population died. I mean, just absolutely devastating for everybody. but it led to this big labor shortage. Peasants suddenly got much better pay because they were so much scarcer. You needed someone to work on your farm but everyone was dead. So in union terms and labor terms it was a brilliant thing, the Black Death.

54:42Standards of living went up and that led to more permanent ale houses because there was a bit more surplus supply and that led to better food and better drink and more leisure. And that was kind of the beginning of pub culture. It's really this idea of the whole binge Britain thing I find quite interesting because we've always been known as a nation of drinkers. Yes. So in the 8th century, St Boniface, a missionary from Devon, travelled Europe and he wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Cuthbert, and he says, in your diocese the vice of drunkenness is too frequent. this is an evil peculiar to pagans and to our race neither the franks nor the gauls nor the lombards nor the romans nor the greeks commit it so we've always been how more the greeks right i love it and the and i read some really good like in i can't remember when this was now i should have written it but it wasst bartholomew's hospital their records show that at one point sick children averaged three pints of beer a day.

55:47James Harkin:Wow. For the sick children. How similar is beer now as it was then? So it was weaker at the time, right? It would have been weaker. And it changed when hops came along. Yeah. So that was a bit later. I think it was the idea that it had been through a brewing process and it was safer. Safer than just drinking straight out of the river. Yeah. Yeah. That's the idea. There's a good reason behind it, basically. Small beer, they call it, don't they? Small beer. That's it. Yeah. In 2020, Pennsylvania designated beer distributors as a life-sustaining service. I could care. And their idea is that because the people who take the beer around also often provide water, soda, and some food slash snacks.

56:31So in some areas of the state, according to communications director Casey Smith, in some areas of the state, there might be the only place where you can move water around is by moving beer at the same time. Pork scratchings are actually one of the four food groups. It's very important. Does anyone else really want a beer? Yeah. Let's do it.

56:52James Harkin:Well, let's wrap up and grab a beer.

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57:32I'm such an Archers nerd.

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