How an American City Can Become a Manufacturing Hub

24:48Now, COVID hit and all of a sudden, that's what brought into stark relief. That's what made it make sense. So one of the things that I think makes a ton of sense and we still see a lot of in Allentown, whether it's the transistors or it's the bag manufacturing or Westport axle manufacturers axles for Mack trucks in Allentown area, it's components, right? It's how do you, how do you de-risk the supply chain by diversifying your component manufacturing? That makes a lot of sense in cities because you're not building the whole truck there, right and to build the whole truck you need something like lord town or lordstown you need river rouge you need the enormous factories when you're building the components whatever those components might look like you can exist in a much smaller form factor something as small as 40 000 square feet but even like to get down to like what we were calling craft manufacturing at the time you might be able to exist in a much smaller space and perhaps the ground floor of a mixed-use building.

25:52And that's what the next step for us was, and what more cities should be doing, I think, is making sure that your zoning allows for light industrial to take place in residential neighborhoods so that you're not kind of, you have to make sure that you allow this stuff to happen in your city. And the new manufacturing, you know, we think about Pittsburgh in the early part of the 20th century as being so thick with smog that you couldn't even see across the river. we were, you know, you still see pictures of, I remember being in Tianjin in China in 2017, and like you couldn't see as you were going across the bridge.

26:30That's not what manufacturing really looks like anymore. So you can kind of do that in cities. So as cities are thinking about what type of manufacturing you might try to attract, I think high value component manufacturer, light touch, but high tech. Again, taking advantage of the resources that we have in American cities and taking advantage of the fact that people now are choosing where they're going to be first and then what they're going to do second. And the cities that have a locational advantage on cost or quality of life can attract those industries if they set themselves up to do it. Say more about the rezoning process, because if there's one thing I remember from playing Sim city for hours, you know, in the 19, late 1990s, it was that if you if you zone industry next to residential, your population is not going to be happy.

27:21So I'm very curious, like how much that has actually changed and what the rezoning process is like now versus, say, 10 years ago. So a lot of cities, because of the housing crisis, are exploring more aggressive zoning policy that allows for denser housing, allows for different types of housing. We just passed in the beginning of 2026 a reform to our zoning code and a reform to our zoning map that is a form-based code. So it's really focused less on what's happening inside the building and more on what the buildings look like. So that's the type of thing that can allow for, you know, in SimCity, when you zoned industrial, you were going to get like the tire manufacturing plant.

28:08Not a great idea for cities to have tire manufacturing plants in their downtowns, but great idea to have like craft brewing or like small garment assembly, something that is kind of like bespoke manufacturing. I think what cities can do as they're investigating the limitations of their zoning code to build toward the cities that they want to be is dig in and understand exactly what you might allow. I I mean, in zoning, you have to allow for all uses somewhere in the jurisdiction. So if you can allow for certain types of manufacturing uses, you create flexibility that can add some vibrancy to the neighborhood.

28:48I go back to like one of my big points when I was in the Urban Manufacturing Alliance that I don't know what it looks like now. But we talked about the lack of interest in young people working in manufacturing. And that's always been one of the challenges. And one thing that occurred to me is that when Mack Trucks moved to Allentown in 1923, they built a plant right next to – well, they built the plant and then they built the worker housing right next door to the plant. And people would walk to work all day. And what we knew then is that – it sounds amazing. And people would like to do that, whatever they're doing for work.

29:26when young when children saw people walking to work with the lunchbox and knew that that person was going to work on the in the silk plant or in the the truck plant they saw a person working and a person who was like connected to manufacturing when we moved all of the production out to the suburbs and people were getting in a car to drive to work the like rando kid on the street who's just, you know, hula hooping or whatever, doesn't get a chance to see workers and doesn't get a chance to see the dignity of work in manufacturing and loses interest in it. And so we're so far removed now. And we've tried to like do things, whether it was through 3D printing or like kind of get kids excited about manufacturing.

30:10But fundamentally, it's still the work is removed from everyday life. And so if you can get back to that point where you can add manufacturing back to everyday life, I think there's an opportunity to rekindle the interest in the careers.

30:25Tracy Alloway:We need to do an episode, How Sim City Destroyed, right? Like people internalizing all these lessons from a video game. And then, oh, then suddenly all of the manufacturing goes out into the exurbs and then no one sees the workers. And then suddenly - How Sim City Ruined America. How Sim City Ruined America. I would love to see that. Honestly, I think any mayor who has played SimCity, the minute you sit down at the desk, you're like, oh, my God, this is total BS. That's amazing. Now I really actually want to do this episode. Post-COVID, you get this re-enthusiasm for manufacturing, just supply chain reasons, also national security reasons.

31:07Tracy Alloway:We get the CHIPS Act. We get the Inflation Reduction Act. What did that look like from the perspective of these big programs, these sort of the Biden era programs? What did that look like from your perspective? So for us, one thing was it was like a return to an industrial policy, right? Like previously, the United States was like the industrial policy didn't make a lot of sense for an economic development professional. Now we saw like the federal government was pushing in a particular direction, right? And it was like, well, let's start making stuff again. And when I became mayor in 2022, when you are sworn in as mayor, you come in with a bunch of campaign promises.

31:45You sit in a seat and you realize like all of a sudden there's a completely new like set of challenges that you have to unlock. Right. So all this stuff you wanted to do in the campaign, it's nice, but there's more pressing needs. Among the things that I could see in the city was that we were well, we didn't know what we didn't know. So we had a lot to learn. We had to dig in and understand the city a little better and understand what was going on. We also didn't like we had to let some relationships fail. And so we needed to get back and make sure that our partners were on the same page as us.

32:20And we kind of lost the capacity to like innovate, to get creative and do new things. So I was grateful that I entered into the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative at just the right moment when I was feeling desperate. And they kind of invested in that capacity. Through doing that, I was able to attack one of the things that was clearly an issue, which was road safety. There was a federal grant, the Safe Streets for All program that was helping cities plan for safer streets. I'm going to get to the point, I promise. So we, I was, I'm a bicycling and running guy. So I wanted to like, and I felt like we could do better for our city if we had safer streets.

33:05Bloomberg stood up with some partners, the local infrastructure hub. It helped me teach my team how to use data to apply for federal funds. It helped us think about how we could work with partners to accomplish good outcomes for residents and try some new things. We were lucky. I also got right in Secretary Buttigieg's face and said, I need help. And we're lucky to get a planning grant through that program. That experience helped us understand how to, as a city, return to federal grants. At the same about right after we were awarded that Safe Streets grant, the Economic Development Administration announced its recompete pilot project.

33:48And it was focused on areas that were, I think this is June, June of 2023 is focused on areas that had a high prime age employment gap. And so prime age employment gap is people between the ages of 25 to 54 prime age employment gap is people who are either unemployed at higher than average rates or out of the labor force. We looked and saw that Allentown, in fact, had a high prime age employment gap. Ours was like at 6%. We dialed into a particular neighborhood and saw that in that area is about 12%. The region of about, or a neighborhood of about 23 ,000 people that were just disproportionately out of the labor force or unemployed.

34:29and we started to dig in on that group of people and how could we at the same time prepare as we're thinking about like the these changes and the changes to the demands of the workforce how can we make sure that our people could work right and that was where these two things came together is we knew that through working with our partners at the lehigh valley economic development corporation there's still a high demand for manufacturing labor as well as health care we knew that the barriers to getting people to good jobs sometimes were a lack of available resources, things like flexible and affordable childcare.

35:05We knew that people were sometimes challenged by transportation, that if those jobs are out in the suburbs and they didn't have a car, it was hard to get to them. And we also knew that if we wanted to make sure that people without cars could get to work, we wanted to build industrial sites in the city. So we put together an application and submitted it to EDA. And again, because of the work that we had done in the past, we're successful. And we're able to, so we landed a strategic development grant in December of 23, and then we got a$20 million investment for implementation. So our team right now is working to make sure that as we work to bring these manufacturing jobs to not just the city, but to the entire region, that Alantonians are well positioned to get to those jobs.

35:52And that is a big piece where cities have to be able to play a role is making sure that people have the tools they need to access the good things that are happening in their economy. Have you got all the grant money, the Biden era grant money? We did. All of it. So, okay, so there's nothing. We made sure as soon as the November 5th, 2024, for like we went into overdrive to just make sure that we weren't at risk of of losing anything yeah and that came through the chips and science act and it was a relatively small program so and and you know practically speaking our region is intensely political um so it would not make sense to roll back some of that i had to fight for some other stuff to make sure that we got it including us i wrote a letter to secretary rollins and the usda about how important trees were to cities across America.

36:49We've worked to make sure that we didn't lose the street funding. But, you know, for some of the funding for things that you do in cities, it's like very practical. It's good for residents. It should be nonpartisan as long as you are not exclusively focused on the various different things the administration is focused on.

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40:10And so there's some things that they could just focus less on or like trying to cut less of. I think that cities probably don't think as much about immigration from that perspective as an economic driver, but I think that we have to continue to bring new people in, bring new ideas in, make American cities places that can receive investment. and knowing that somewhat that investment is like it's intellectual capital, right? So we want people to come in and feel comfortable making stuff and making new technology in our cities. I want to say I think it's not uncommon for mayors to be pretty bipartisan in Allentown where one of my senators is Senator Dave McCormick, who is on the he's the he's a Republican.

40:56I'm a Democrat, but I appreciate Senator McCormick's interest in competitiveness and trying to attract industry and particular manufacturing to Pennsylvania. And I think my conversations with Senator McCormick, he is somewhat agnostic about where that happens. I think he'd be happy if the manufacturing investments happen in the suburbs or in the cities. It doesn't matter to him as much as Pennsylvania remaining competitive. I know he was involved with one of the big kind of future thinking or future looking manufacturing investments that occurred in our area is Eli Lilly announced a three and a half billion dollar investment that is just outside of the city limits.

41:42But their three and a half billion dollar investment will create like 850 jobs. I want to make sure that all of the residents of the city of Allentown are capable of accessing those jobs. I also want to make sure that any of the supply chain that goes into that Lilly GLP-1 manufacturing can be produced in the city if it can be. We want to make sure that we're capable of connecting to that. So that's one thing. I think continuing to make sure that the country is competitive. The other thing is, and this is one that we're kind of going back and forth with. Like, we, you know, Governor Shapiro has launched a very aggressive economic development strategy that wants to attract more investment and lots of different types of investment.

42:30I think there's, and I've spoken with Bruce Katz, formerly at Brookings, about this, is that Pennsylvania seems like it's well situated to be a center of defense manufacturing in this new world. clearly like there's based on what's happening in iran there is a like there's still need for munitions right and how we can play a role in that is i think part of our future that was what we proudly tell the story of how bethlem steel helped win the war in world war ii by building the the the ships that that helped us win the war i talked about volti bomber is helping us win the war. I think that there is, we have, we're home to Mac defense in Allentown.

43:16Mac defense makes giant, like heavy duty trucks for the U S military. We can compete in that area as well. And that is manufacturing. So I think there's the, as if the federal government focuses on creating opportunities in cities and in States to host manufacturing and makes it easy for that to happen and makes it easy to hire people and train people to be ready for that work. I think that's where we need them to play.

43:44Tracy Alloway:You already sort of alluded to this, but does it feel good to be in a state where it's like every national election is just geared towards making the citizens of Pennsylvania happy? Like that is, you're talking to some mayor from another, you know, from Florida. It's like, try being a swing state. Try being the most important state for the electoral college. That must be nice. It can be. It also turns you into like, like I have given tours of my city to foreign press. Every country in the world. All the reporters that they go to the diner in Pennsylvania, right? That's the classic trope. Exactly.

44:22Tracy Alloway:Yeah. Then, so, I mean, it's, it's nice to be the center of attention that way, but in the, the like, in the politicians kind of want to make you happy. But practically speaking, you know, there's like, as a mayor, your job is to just meet the needs of your residents, right? Like that's what you dial in on. And so whatever they're doing nationally, like you're just worried about residents. One reason that people are very excited or that people have an affinity towards manufacturing is the jobs, right? And you mentioned the jobs and people seeing people go to work. Another reason, particularly over the last several years or the last post-COVID, is for national security reasons, not wanting to rely on China or other countries for really critical things.

45:06Tracy Alloway:However, some of these most advanced industries, they're not particularly going to be job heavy, right? There's a lot of robotics and increasing automation. Is there a disconnect between the sort of, again, maybe emotional, maybe like the sort of romantic notions that people have about manufacturing versus the reality of the actual labor intensivity of some of these industries? I think that from the mayor's perspective, i probably am more in that kind of romantic world right like where we're just kind of like yeah you know people we envision a world in which people will always be putting their hands on stuff right one way or another and when you get into a higher technology where like we already have robots doing like precision surgery presumably some of the precision manufacturing is going to be better done with a robotic hand than the steady hand or strong back of of uh somebody on the line i do think that as you like the there's still and this is a vibe that i'm starting to get mayors tend to pick up like because we're on the ground yeah we start to hear the vibes before they become national vibes but i think that there's there's a very strong at least in in my city and some other cities that have visited there's like a strong like handmade or like a rejection of the robots and AI, whether it's art or the produced goods.

46:29I don't know if anybody, I don't know what the logical end to that is, but I think there's on the consumer side, there's still a desire. I think people romanticize some of the product, right? And they'd rather have something that people have made on the jobs side of it. I think that there's still this belief that we need to preserve the dignity of work, that there's always going to be, that we're going to have to find some way to allow people to continue to work, that maybe you don't need the robots running the whole warehouse, right? That maybe you need, you know, somebody to be involved. And we've seen that, like this is, my first job at a grad school was working in the billboard industry in Panama.

47:13and I remember vividly talking to somebody who has, you know, I introduced myself. This is in my economic development days. And I was like, oh, you know, I first, I started in billboards and the guy was in private equity and he was like, that's great, man. Billboards are awesome. The only thing better than billboards is coin-op laundromats. And I was like, dude, you're in the wrong business now. Because like maybe in private equity, like that was a great idea. Like the fewer, fewer jobs, like down to self-storage, which I think is the worst thing in the city. But we're job creators. We have to find ways to create jobs, to create opportunities for people to be dignified by their work.

47:52So while there may be some value to squeezing out every single nickel of cost from some operation, there's a lot to benefit cities and to benefit society of having people actually putting their hands on things. Can you talk specifically about how you're thinking about data centers? Because this is like the example of what we're getting at. And in theory, you know, Allentown, you got a bunch of big warehouses and things like that.

48:19Tracy Alloway:Presumably access to that needed energy at one point. Yeah, I have lots of sophisticated and unsophisticated thoughts about data centers. We as a city and as a mayor, I'm thinking about them in a couple of ways. One, they're very clearly a political issue now. And they're a political issue for, I hate saying both sides, but for both sides, right? They really are. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. There's legislation. So I think that, so we amended our zoning, like right after we amended our zoning ordinance, We then we made an amendment to the ordinance with reference to data centers. The reality for a city like Allentown in most cities in the country is that we don't really have any space for data centers.

49:01It's unlikely that a hyperscaler, well, it's not just unlikely. A hyperscaler cannot locate in the city of Allentown unless they acquire a bunch of homes and demolish them. There's just no space for something like that. But it is reality in places like Phoenix, right? So we amended our zoning code to just set up certain requirements around the establishment of a data center just to make sure that our backs are covered. The worst thing that happens in any municipality is like something shows up that people don't want and your hands are tied because your zoning allows for it. So we made sure that we are covered in that respect.

49:40Tracy Alloway:Sorry, just to be clear, covered. Like you've data center proofed your zoning? Is that what that means? We're in the process of review right now to make sure that any proposed data center has to demonstrate not just the highway use or the water use, but also like energy sources. So we're making sure that data centers that are proposed for the city can demonstrate their compliance, basically. So it's political. As I understand the technology, and this is probably the less sophisticated side of the thought, it's getting smaller and smaller. right? The data centers do not have to exist at this incredible, you know, to take up lots and lots of land.

50:20They can exist perhaps in downtowns. I don't know what their energy needs are going to be. I know that most mayors are concerned about data centers, not because they're worried about land use or a lack of jobs, but because utility bills are significantly rising at the same time that food bills are rising, gas bills are rising, housing is getting more expensive. Now people are also seeing their utility bills rise. So that's what's driving a lot of the concern for mayors, I think.

50:48Tracy Alloway:You know, I know someone, I heard about it. There's a startup in New York City that is doing something with like, I don't know exactly what it is. I was hearing about it from a friend, but they're like training some NVIDIA chips or doing something. And it's just with like a normal, like sort of like residential connection to the electricity. It's fairly small scale. Yeah. It's not mega. But like, yeah, to your point, like it does feel like the footprint there, at least in some potentially niche applications, the footprints you hear about the giant things, but the footprints are also potentially coming down.

51:20that was what was what i was hearing you know i i'm an ai skeptic as a mayor um i've been talked back i keep like you know going back yeah we all do yeah yeah um but i was talking to somebody at hopkins at johns hopkins who was like hey you shouldn't be so skeptical because it's going to open it might result in some in somewhat fewer human human react interactions but it's going to open the door for humans and city government specifically to participate more and more in helping people out and she was the one who mentioned like and it's also like all of the like the furor about data center might be misplaced like there is we are i'm not necessarily a great believer in technology figuring out a way to get us to like save our bacon for forever but it does seem like this is one that there's short term concern about.

52:14And I don't know what it really stems from. But whenever politicians are involved, you have to raise an eyebrow. I have one more question. And it's a very important one. What's the deal with Yakos? If I Google Allentown controversy, Yakos comes up. Yeah, I think there's probably a couple of Yakos controversies. The very local one is like, you got to pick a choice you got to choose between yakko's or pots apparently they eat pots hot dogs in bethlehem i guess we should say yakko's is a hot dog it's a hot dog okay the folks in bethlehem like i love my neighbor but i would never eat a pot's dog um yakko is there's the one of the deals is like you have to know how to order it right so the order is like you just get two dogs i order two dogs with everything in a chocolate milk um some people get pierogies with it too So the one of the there was a few years ago, like a guy named Gary Iacocca, whose family owned Yaco's, talked about how his Yaco is on 7th Street, which is in Center City Allentown, couldn't exist anymore because of the demographic changes that we've seen in Allentown.

53:26So Yaco's, I think, is he and I went back and forth a little bit. We're very good friends now, but we were we struggled a little bit because I'm I'm the first Latino mayor of Allentown. So the other thing that makes the Billy Joel song so wrong in 2026 is that in 1982, it was like it was a very homogenous. Basically, everybody in Allentown was white, European. Today, we're 55 percent Latino. Like we are a very different city. And his his case was like, well, you know, it isn't it ain't like it was. And, you know, it was kind of it felt to me like kind of a rejection of our new city. that I just love.

54:09So we went back and forth a little bit on that. There's probably other Yakko's controversies out there. He has a big hot dog statue that's moved around a little bit. But it's a good hot dog. If you come to Allentown, I will treat you to a Yakko's hot dog. You'll teach us how to order it. I will teach you how to order it.

54:29Tracy Alloway:This is like one of those things like the politicians get a huge scandal. They order it the wrong way. You know, it's like John Kerry, like order it when you get like swiss cheese instead of something else yeah it's the it's our version i guess of the cheesesteak yeah and there's a special like lehigh valley version of the cheesesteak as well that um that philadelphians would want nothing to do with oh this is what makes america great he's like these niche these niche loyalties towards certain orders and certain hot dogs yeah all right uh mayor turk thank you so much for coming on all thoughts that was great Thank you.

55:00I really had a good time.

55:13So that was super interesting. There are a lot of things to pick out from there. But one thing that stood out was that sort of 2010s era of like made in America craft manufacturing. I remember that really well.

55:26Tracy Alloway:Yeah, no, totally. It's actually apparently kind of depressing because those MakerBot festivals, or the MakerBot, I think, is different than the Maker festivals. But there was that culture of people doing tinkering and 3D printing. Also the boom in 3D printing stocks. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. There was like a thing and it's like all sort of fizzled out. But there was, yeah, there's like a forgotten part of like post-GFC. Artisanal manufacturing, I guess. Artisanal manufacturing and people just building weird stuff. Things aren't weird enough anymore. But yeah. Well, they might get weird with AI.

55:57Tracy Alloway:No, they're going to get weird. But I'm glad he brought that up because it doesn't get discussed enough. Yeah. Just generally, though, like I thought that was great. And like, first of all, just learning a bunch of new things. You know, I hadn't heard of weight gaining manufacturing, but that makes a lot of sense, right? Like if there is some process that adds a lot of weight, such as water to a product, you want that to be at the last mile of the supply chain rather than early on. Also fascinating to think about like, okay, what a strategic advantage it is to be within a day's drive of 100 million people.

56:30Tracy Alloway:And so therefore it makes a lot of sense to put various e-commerce warehouses in. So much interesting stuff there. Also the mixed zoning I found really interesting. Because it is true, if you think about industry, even 10 or 20 years ago, it was much more polluting and noisy and disturbing than it is now. And so you can have, in an era of high-tech manufacturing, you absolutely could have mixed-use neighborhoods and buildings, like why not? Right. So you just have to update the zoning to reflect the reality that it's not going to be automatically repellent to the neighbors. And then everyone can walk to work with their lunchboxes.

57:06Tracy Alloway:Yeah. All right. Shall we leave it there? Or the bike to work. Or bike to work. Yeah. Okay. This has been another episode of the All Thoughts Podcast. I'm Tracy Alloway. You can follow me at Tracy Alloway. And I'm Joe Weisenthal. You can follow me at The Stalwart. Follow our producers, Carmen Rodriguez at Carmen Armand, Dashiell Bennett at Dashpot, Kale Brooks at Kale Brooks, and Kevin Lozano at Kevin Lloyd Lozano. And for more OddLots content, go to Bloomberg.com slash OddLots where the daily news learned all of our episodes. And you can chat about all these topics 24 seven in our discord, discord.gg slash OddLots.

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