What Francis Fukuyama Is Seeing at 'The End of History'

23:50If you say something reasonable and earnest, it's like immediately consigned to the realms of internet. But there's an inevitable dynamic that happens where the moment you start saying something unreasonable, you know, you insult somebody or you say something that's just ridiculously untrue. It sets off, you know, a big uptick in your followers. And then you say, OK, we got to top that by saying something even more extreme. And I think that that explains a lot of the extremism in our politics because people are living in an online world and they also don't agree on basic facts. Since we're on the topic of, I guess, new media and technology, can we talk a little bit about AI?

24:31Speaking of The Last Man. Speaking of The Last Man, I knew there was an AI chapter in your new book, and I thought it was going to be more about, I guess, like the existential threat of AI and what it means for the whole bored last man concept. But you talk about it in a sort of state administrative capacity way. Why did you decide to take that line as opposed to, I don't know, arguing how AI would fit into the sociopolitical economy more broadly? Well, no, I think that what I said was that the most dangerous aspect of AI is agentic AI. That is where human beings delegate to machines the power to make decisions.

25:10And I spent a lot of time thinking about human hierarchies. And I know that we often overdelegate authority in organizations and governments. But I think we're beginning to do that. I think this hugging face incident that OpenAI got into where they had developed an AI agent that broke out of its playpen and then started getting out into the internet and breaking into other computers. That's what agentic AI is all about. And that's what I think the whole loss of control fear is related to, is that you're going to create these agents that are powerful. And the thing about modern AI is that the people that create them don't really understand what's going on underneath the hood.

25:52You know, classic computer programming, line by line, you know, it's very deterministic what the computer is going to do. With these new AIs, they don't really understand why it's behaving the way it is. And if you then delegate authority to a machine where you don't really know why it's thinking what it's thinking, I think that's what leads you down the road to some real doomer scenarios where they can kind of act as if they've got their own volitions and really no human being is going to be able to control them.

26:23Tracy Alloway:You're a famous tinkerer. You like building stuff and you do woodworking, etc. Do you tinker with AI? Do you play around with it the way you play around with making bookshelves or working on a car engine or something like that? Well, ever since the early 90s, I've built my own computers and I've written my own software. And I use Cloud Code a lot. It's just an amazing thing. I mean, I had written some fairly complicated programs, but I got stuck. What kind of stuff were you building? Well, I mean, mostly it was I maintain a few big databases on some servers that I keep at home, and I wanted to migrate it to a different system.

27:01And Cloud Code just did it, you know. I mean, it helps to be a programmer because you can then correct things where it makes mistakes. But, yeah, basically it's just an amazing system. There's a picture in the book of one of the tables that you made, and it looks really nice. It looks like a legitimate table. It's beautiful. It is legitimate. You can really sit at it. So when I was in the State Department, the Secretary of State has a suite on the eighth floor that's beautiful. It's furnished with these antique federal-style American classic furniture. And when I was delivering memos up there as a young official, I really admired that, and I wished I could have that in my own home.

27:46So basically I taught myself how to build this kind of furniture. I love that. I upholstered a chair recently for similar reasons, but I have yet to get to the actual woodworking of the chair itself.

27:56Tracy Alloway:We could just talk woodworking and upholstery for the rest of the time. Could you do a Chippendale chair, you think? I don't like the Chippendale style that much. I like federal because it's a little bit cleaner. Cleaner and simpler. It's still decorated. It's got inlay. I think that's about my favorite style of furniture. When you get into things like empire, you know, then that becomes really a different level of skill because you have to carve all these, you know, dragons and faces and things into the woodwork. And that's something I never got into. All right. At the risk of turning this into an interior design episode.

28:33No. Okay. Serious question. Just going back to AI. But what does AI actually mean for the last man concept itself? Do you see? Because I feel like you could go in two directions. And we've done episodes on both these scenarios. You could have one where people just become even more nihilistic and filled with ennui, so to speak. Or you could maybe have a sort of utopian world where AI is doing all the work for us and we get freed up to pursue some of our cultural pursuits. Yeah, actually, that was John Maynard Keynes' vision of the future, that productivity would increase so much that we'd have, you know, we'd only have to work 10, 20 hours a week, and the rest we could pursue hobbies and so forth.

29:15I don't think that's going to make people happy in the end. I mean, same problem with universal basic income. And the reason for this has to do with this concept of thumos. So megalothumia comes from this Greek word thumos, which is spiritedness or pride, that in addition to material needs, human beings want to be recognized for their basic human dignity. And quite frankly, a lot of our dignity comes from the work we do. The fact that you are paid to do a job means that somebody in society thinks that what you do is valuable enough to give you, you know, money for it. And I think that that's why this vision of a society where everybody is just, you know, selling trinkets on Etsy, but not really, you know, doing the kind of work that we're used to doing is not going to make people happy because it doesn't give them a sense of pride and accomplishment.

30:07You know, that it's, you could spend your whole life playing video games. And I think part of the reason that you got this manosphere that is so, you know, restless is that's what they do. You know, they're online all the time. They have all these fantasies about being superheroes, but in real life, they kind of know that there's this basic emptiness there. And I think that that lack of work that gives you dignity that ordinary people can feel is one of the things that may be destroyed by AI because it's so capable of substituting for that kind of human labor. And I think that's really one of the big dangers because either people will be perpetually lonely and unhappy, or they will rebel against that and you'll have a lot of political turmoil.

30:55There's so many different things sort of working against, quote, liberalism,

31:02Tracy Alloway:etc. And there are people arguing for it, right? Like there's communities of people online who like try to like argue about these things and argue we should be building things and appreciate markets and appreciate prosperity, but it's all a little hollow. It doesn't seem like really fully scratch that itch. We can get there intellectually. Okay, these are good things, but it doesn't supply that sort of like spiritedness, et cetera. Is anyone out there have conceptions of like what a positive vision for liberalism or counter illiberalism looks like other than, no, look, GDP goes up. Look, actually, things haven't been getting worse.

31:43Tracy Alloway:Actually, despite what you see online, wages have, real wages generally have been rising. These arguments may or may not be true, but they certainly don't seem to satisfy many people. They don't excite people. It's not something that you really get behind enthusiastically. Do you see anyone or any path of like, oh, this is what a reinvigorated vision looks like? Well, there are some possible futures where you actually do face real threats, where the society really does have to mobilize. I think we felt something like that in the 1930s with the Depression and then fighting World War II, and that was very inspiring to many people.

32:22It was also very devastating. And the question is, can you recreate that sense of national purpose without having a war or pandemic or revolution? I think you can. I think that there are a lot of projects out there in the world that could be the source of a greater sense of common purpose. One of the themes in the book is indeed the fact that we don't build anything anymore. You know, I live in California. We were promised high speed rail. They allocated money for it in the mid 1990s. And we have like 10 miles of track, you know, in the Central Valley where nobody lives. And I think that you could actually recreate some of that sense of purpose if you could get back to actually having projects that are big and visible.

33:10That's part of what the Chinese government has been doing. You know, they are really good at building infrastructure. They built these incredible bridges over gorges in the middle of the interior of China. But it actually adds to the sense that the society is moving forward and it's accomplished something. plus which I'd like to be able to get from LA to San Francisco in three hours. It would be pretty convenient if you could do that. As soon as you brought up America's lack of high-speed rail, I knew my next question was going to be about China. But talk to us a little bit more about China because if we think that liberal democracy has won in some way, it's the inevitable outcome of human evolution.

33:49People can still point to China and say, well, that's not a liberal democracy. That is something else. And it seems to be reasonably successful at this moment in time, at least when judging by infrastructure projects like high speed. Well, you know, I've been saying this for several decades, that the only alternative society that is not a liberal democracy that looks like a plausible competitor is China, because they are able to stay at the frontier of technology. They've maintained social stability and they certainly have great GDP growth numbers. So the question is, is that going to be a sustainable model going forward?

34:26And I don't think the answer is fully in. And I mean, right now, the US versus China, I mean, we don't look so good. You know, I think very few people around the world are saying, well, we want to be polarized and angry and, you know, at each other's throats all the time. And we, you know, they look at China and they do see, you know, the modern cities and infrastructure that's come up virtually overnight. I think, however, it is a little bit premature to declare that they've won that contest because there are some big problems, both in the economic model and in the political model. As far as the economic model is concerned, I think Xi Jinping actually made a big mistake after he came to power, because instead of investing in the interior of China, in social services, in pensions, and so forth, he decided to double down on this export-led growth, this time driven by high tech.

35:19And it's destroying the manufacturing base of every other society in the world. You know, that happened to the United States in the early 2000s. The Europeans may lose their auto industry, you know, as a result of Chinese EVs, and it's producing a big, big backlash. And the rest of the economy actually is not doing well. They have this big property bust, and they're still not out of it. The amount of unemployment for Chinese young people is really pretty dramatic, and it's just going to get worse as they introduce AI into their economy. So we'll have to see. The political model has done better than I would have expected.

35:58The idea is as you get richer, better educated, you're not content simply to be a passive subject. You actually want to participate. You want to be able to express your opinion. And you can't do that in China. And I think that there still may come a point where that unhappiness is going to come out expressed politically. It's a very effective dictatorship that right now can squash any signs of discontent. But, you know, that may not be the case forever.

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39:00Tracy Alloway:We have no idea what the future holds, but here in 2026, there are a number of, China is the main example, but there are a number of places that are not, quote, democracies that seem to be stable. And some of the Gulf countries have obviously done extraordinarily well over the past couple of decades. Have you revisited any of your premises about this idea that an educated elite eventually really wants a say, that they actually want to be stakeholders in politics? Or is there a degree of like, if you have competent management or if you're perceived to have competent management, maybe that just doesn't manifest as a problem?

39:44I think that I'm perfectly willing to accept the fact that there are different models Certainly the American one compared even to other rich democracies has a lot of problems in the way we organize our institutions that have led to some of the instability that we see. I think that the question about real authoritarian alternatives, you know, Singapore is the one that's brought up all the time. I'm perfectly happy to admit that the Singaporeans govern themselves pretty well. But the question is first, can you actually export that model to other countries? You know, if you had a regular source of Lee Kuan Yew's that you could call on to run your authoritarian country, that would be great.

40:29But most authoritarian countries end up with a Lukashenko or Putin or, you know, a really bad leader. And that's the problem with that kind of concentration of power. The longer term question is the one that you pointed to is, are people simply willing to be passive consumers who are satisfied with just the stability offered by a Singaporean type government? And that's where I think you do get into this last man question, because Nietzsche would say, no, human beings want to aim higher than that. You know, they want to struggle for things. And eventually they're not going to be happy with, you know, the kind of peace and prosperity that an authoritarian government can offer.

41:11At least in our liberal society, we can have an active civil society. So you can believe what you want. You can get together with other people. You can pursue all sorts of ambitions as long as they're not ones that want to dominate the rest of the society. And in a place like China, that's much more limited. So on China specifically, there's an anecdote that you describe in your book where you get to meet with the former vice president Wang Qishan. And that's super interesting because it seems almost like you were summoned over there to talk to him and then he ended up just talking at you for about an hour.

41:52But what's your theory of what you were doing there? Was China trying to understand more about liberal politics or were they just trying to, I don't know, was it some sort of like internal CCP political game? Well, I don't know the answer to that. He definitely wanted to talk to me. He had read my book. And, you know, so he was credited as being a genuine intellectual. Apparently, Xi Jinping was not all that happy with him because he was entertaining some rather heterodox ideas. He wanted, however, to talk to me. He was leading at that point this big anti-corruption campaign that she had unleashed, where they actually executed some very senior ministers and tens, if not hundreds of thousands of Communist Party officials were sacked, put in jail as a result of this.

42:43So he was the second most feared man and most powerful man in China. But I think he wanted to indicate that he was still open to the fact that a more liberal China might be possible in the future. But he still had to demonstrate his loyalty. It's a little bit of a contrast because the other dictator that I had encountered at that point was Muammar Gaddafi, who also invited me to Libya to talk to him. And the I mean, it kind of explains why Libya is a mess and China is one of the great powers in the world, because, you know, Gaddafi's head was totally uneducated. He really is somebody I felt in the end should have gone to college and actually gotten a decent education.

43:28His son famously went to LSE. Well, his son was given a degree by LSE, whether he really went to LSE. And in fact, the the chancellor and his thesis advisor had to be sacked. Yeah, Howard Davies. I remember this. I went to LLC. Yeah. But that dictator was just, his head was full of conspiracy theories. And, you know, he believed that he had come up with the big alternative to communism and capitalism as a way forward, which was, of course, nonsense. But, you know, Wang Qishan was a serious intellectual. He actually introduced Alexis de Tocqueville to China. So in Tocqueville's old regime and the revolution, he explains that the French revolution occurred not because of deprivation, but because France had started to reform itself in the generation before the revolution.

44:20Things were actually getting better, both economically and politically, but expectations were rising faster than the regime's ability to accommodate these new expectations. And that's why you had the revolution. And, you know, Wang Qishan's lesson was China shouldn't start down this road to liberalization the way Gorbachev had because that's just going to get – it's going to spiral out of control and the regime will fall. And that's what they did. And we have Alexis de Tocqueville to thank for the fact that they're still in power.

44:52Tracy Alloway:Amazing. I want to talk about the neocons for a second. You've talked about how the sort of the aftermath of the war in Iraq and the aftermath led to a break between you and people who you may have seen as friends or ideological allies, etc. And yet it seems to me that if we go and look at the sort of like cohort of people that we associate with like the neocon era in the early 2000s, particularly, many of them today are some of the biggest defenders of, I guess, normal liberalism. You know, you think of like Dick Cheney, who, you know, like I don't think he supported Trump or Bill Kristol, who basically became a Democrat, etc.

45:39Tracy Alloway:What do you make of this cohort that you could say 20, roughly 25 years ago was like there was a schism. They had like complete terrible judgment, etc. And yet today when you look at them, they are probably fairly aligned with you in terms of the sort of institutionalism and support for sort of the stability and the institutions that allowed America to thrive for a long time. Well, to go a little bit into the intellectual history of that movement, a lot of people that were neocons back in the early 2000s had been second or third generation students of a German Jewish philosopher named Leo Strauss, who encouraged his students to think seriously about philosophy and about the philosophic ideas that were at the base of Western civilization.

46:32But the Straussians actually split into two different camps, East Coast and West Coast. The West Coast ones were followers of a student of Strauss named Harry Jaffa, who in the end, I think, could only be described as American nationalist because Jaffa regarded the American regime as the apotheosis of Aristotelian virtue. And those people went in the opposite direction. They became big Trump supporters. So Michael Anton, the author of the famous Flight 93 article that served in both Trump administrations, was, again, a product of that intellectual tradition. Bill Kristol and, as you mentioned, Dick Cheney and especially his daughter, Liz, were very different.

47:18And I think were more authentic believers in a constitutional tradition that said that government power ought to be limited. And that's what is really surprising to me about a lot of the conservatives that ended up supporting Trump because, you know, they had built their ideological foundations around the idea of a rule of law and limitations, constitutional limits on government power. That's what it meant to be a conservative. And yet, you know, once their guy gets into power, they want to take all those limits off and do everything through executive orders, flout the law if that's necessary to achieve their objectives.

47:57So I, you know, in the end, it's been a big puzzle to me why some people react to the same events with the same kind of educational background, but end up going in different ways. The only way I can explain it is in a way socially, that you are not an objective scientist looking at facts. You are actually embedded in a social circle, and you're going to believe the things that people in your social circle believe. Just going back to, I guess, the overarching question of liberal democracy, you sort of end the book. It's not on a down note, but it's certainly on an uncertain note. You know, it's basically I'm not sure how to maintain liberal democracy or promote it, given that the message of liberal democracy doesn't seem to be resonating with a lot of people at the moment.

48:50So I'm just going to ask you directly, how should we, I guess, fix the PR of liberal democracy or how would one go about actually doing that? Well, I think there's a twofold answer. I think we need to remind people about the dangers of the absence of liberal democracy. And you can see it right in the present world. Putin invades, does a full scale invasion of Ukraine and gets into a bloody, bloody war that's now in its fifth year. That's what happens if you have a dictatorship instead of a liberal democracy. And then in a way, you know, Ukraine, I think, is incredibly admirable because they want to defend their freedom and they're willing to die for it.

49:30And so there are inspiring causes. I think that the other part of the answer is that liberals need to actually have a positive program. I don't think that you're going to beat back populism just by complaining about it, you know, bad as many of its programs and policies may be. I think that you have to offer people some positive vision for how their future is going to look different. And this gets back into this narrative about building things, you know, that liberal societies, one of the big problems that I talk about at the end is they accumulate too many rules. Liberalism is about a rule of law, but you can actually have too much rule of law.

50:13So here in New York City, you know, rebuilding Walman link was almost impossible until Donald Trump took it over because, you know, there are just too damn many procedural requirements that you have to go through. And I think if government could actually be more effective and could actually carry through on its promises, you know, in a reasonable amount of time, people would start thinking, yeah, actually, this is working for me.

50:36Tracy Alloway:It's tough to build things. in the U.S. One area that it hasn't been difficult to build things in the U.S. is basically software and technology and all that. And you're, you know, at Stanford, you're kind of at ground zero for it. Granted, you're not, you know, in the computer science department, but I would just love to hear your perspective on how, you know, the culture of a university or the culture of students has changed maybe over the last couple decades with this sort of explosion of money and tech, et cetera, and how that, you know, how your students think about that and how that shapes the directions that they want to go in and whether it's sort of bled over into some of the humanities or social sciences in some way.

51:22First of all, Stanford is different from Harvard and Yale because Harvard and Yale feed people into Wall Street, basically. You know, the smart, ambitious people all want to become billionaires through that route. At Stanford, they're more entrepreneurial. They want to do a startup that's then going to make them a billionaire. I think that in both places, it means that the humanities and social sciences are weak. You know, it's not the most favored route.

51:50Tracy Alloway:Do you feel it in some way with either the students that are coming through those departments or the interests of those students? Like, has it changed the texture of like the professor-student relationship in some way in those departments? For me, I mean, I don't teach undergraduates anymore, so I'm a little bit removed from that. Yeah, that makes sense. But it's certainly the case that student politics has changed very dramatically, especially on the left, especially after October 7th and the Hamas attack. There's been a big radicalization of students, and they're mobilized around that issue and others that we're seeing in our national politics.

52:29So that's certainly different. It's, you know, we went through this long period in the 90s and early 2000s of really student apathy. Everybody was too focused on getting a high paying job and they didn't really pay attention to politics. Now they're definitely more mobilized, but in some ways it's not a healthy mobilization because, you know, they're pursuing goals that I think are either unachievable or, you know, misguided, but they're definitely much more politically aware. I've got a number of students, you know, over the past decade that have actually gone into electoral politics, and I think that's great.

53:04I think that's what they ought to be doing. Any advice for would-be international relations graduates? Well, I think that you need to think broadly because right now international relations is extremely complicated as a disciplinary field because economics and sociology are absolutely at the core. You know, you want to know why you have global populism. Well, the sociology of most countries has changed. Left-wing parties are no longer based in working class populations. They've become basically parties of educated professionals who have very different political instincts than the working class.

53:43And part of the reason you've got this polarized politics both here and in Europe is because of that change. And that's not something, you know, in classical realist international theory, you don't look inside countries, you know, you just regard them as billiard balls. But if you don't see, you know, the domestic and the technological changes, and then by the way, the geopolitics of AI is really going to hit us, I think, like a freight train, because that's going to be one of the determining factors, just like nuclear weapons in a previous generation, about how power is going to be distributed in the coming world.

54:18Tracy Alloway:That phenomenon of like, OK, the energy on the left coming from people who are not what people might have in a previous year called like the working class, that many people are actually like fairly well to do and they're well educated. Is there I mean, this is actually not even that new. I mean, right. Like historically, a lot of left movements have always had a certain many come from nobility or education or son of a wealthy business person, etc. Is this just people are different and that draws them to that or is there some sort of stronger theory or structural force that has sort of like reinvigorated the sort of educated successful left?

55:01Well, if I may, I think this is why this concept of the last man is important. You know, at Stanford, we had students that were living out in tents and in encampment after October 7th for six months. And you can't imagine a more privileged group of people than a Stanford undergrad. Right. But, you know, I think what was missing in their lives was this sense that they were struggling and sacrificing for a higher cause of social justice. And that was the part that was missing in their lives. They'd struggled to get into Stanford, but, you know, it was just for themselves. And I think they wanted a more idealistic thing to aspire to.

55:41And I think that that's really what drives a lot of people into that kind of politics, is that they want to be able to risk their lives for something noble. And our liberal society doesn't give them a lot of opportunities for that kind of risk and daring. All right, Francis, this has been such a great conversation. Thank you so much for coming on All Thoughts. Thanks very much for having me.

56:15So, Joe, that was a lot of fun getting to interview sort of a legend in political economy. One thing that stood out to me, I find the idea of the last man and megalithemia or just themia in general very compelling because you look around you and you see that something does seem to be missing for a lot of people. And to me, it sort of boils down to a relativism versus absolutism kind of thing, which is like neoliberalism or liberalism in general is predicated on this idea of absolute gain. So as long as everyone is kind of advancing, not necessarily at equal rates, as long as everyone is advancing in absolute terms, people should be happy.

56:59But my personal experience of life and the world and history is that actually people are very much relativist in nature. And it doesn't matter if everyone's advancing if they're doing so at extremely different speeds or in very different ways. People aren't going to be happy. And I kind of did you see that viral media thing? It was abundance, modern abundance. Oh, I did see that. Where it was like, oh, everyone has a washing machine now. Everyone has a toaster now. Yeah.

57:26Tracy Alloway:And they dreamed of this in the 1850s. Right. You could have crisp bread right on demand. It's all very true. Yeah. But clearly it's not enough for people in 2026 that you can have a toaster and a washing machine and a TV and things like that. You know, it's interesting. I forget who pointed it out, but someone pointed out like that that viral thing. Yeah. It didn't include like Instagram and phones because this is like one of the big things. It's not like, oh, and it's so great that we can now spend six hours scrolling reels all day, even though that is like one of the hallmark aspects of modernity.

57:58Tracy Alloway:Yeah. Because people know it's not good and they know it's not satisfying. And it's not something that ever like 100 years ago. Yes, maybe you dream of having a dishwasher. You're doing fine, but you're looking at a picture of, I don't know, someone on a yacht and you're not doing as well as that. Yeah, that that is it's meaningless. It's comparison is the thief of joy. All kinds of issues with that. But I totally this is why I always think about like the angry Twitter billionaires. Because it's like these people who have literally everything and yet they're like driven crazy because they see a headline in The New York Times that they didn't like or something that they didn't agree with.

58:34Tracy Alloway:And it drives them nuts. And I think that's just like, you know, they're but for the grace of God. It's like, oh, like you have all this and yet you still can't find a way to achieve satisfaction because no one like really, you know, you're not like intellectually respected, etc. And you just see how that drives people crazy. And it is interesting to like with the sort of utopian visions of AI, like and the sort of paradox of all work is we want to work to achieve something, but we don't really you don't want to finish. You don't want to finish the goal. You don't want to actually end it because then you feel sort of then what do you do?

59:10Well, I do kind of wonder, maybe AI can solve the last man problem in the sense that maybe if we have to feel superior and recognized as humans, maybe if we have offsetting AI agents and robots, we can feel superior to them.

59:29Tracy Alloway:It's hard to feel superior to them. That's part of the problem is like we're not going to feel that for very long. But yes, we can certainly try. Chad GPT, solve the crisis of the last man. Make no mistakes. and see what it comes up with. All right. Shall we leave it there? Let's leave it there. This has been another episode of the Odd Thoughts podcast. I'm Tracy Alloway. You can follow me at Tracy Alloway. And I'm Joe Weisenthal. You can follow me at The Stalwart. Follow our producers, Carmen Rodriguez at Carmen Armand, Dash O 'Bennett at Dashbot, Kale Brooks at Kale Brooks, and Kevin Lozano at Kevin Lloyd Lozano.

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