Anastacia On Being ‘Unsignable’, Surviving Cancer TWICE And Why She Never Had Children

29:53So So I think when that was the case, then I just wanted to be a person advocating for, let me just tell you the real deal. This is, you know, so when they say eat healthy and drink water. Yeah, part of it is, you know, eat healthy, drink water, have no stress. This is what doctors tell you. Do we really understand that that could possibly, you know, help make everything else better? Yeah. But there's people that are very healthy and they get breast cancer. So it's not a given. But I think early detection and going to the office, that's a given. You don't have it in your body. So that's the only given you can be strong and positive about.

30:36Olivia Attwood:What would you say to women? And I have this conversation with women all the time. They're scared to go, basically. Understandable. Yes, you're going to be scared to go because you don't want to get that answer. But the majority of the women don't get that answer. So you're in a better category of all women. But for the younger audience you've got, I am giving a suggestion. And it's the way to, nobody has just extra cash that they have laying around for a mammogram. And I get that. But I know women have extra cash, maybe not extra, but they'll go into debt for some makeup and a purse and some clothes.

31:16So this is what we do. We do a self-care birthday. and that self-care birthday is letting family and friends know I want to go have a mammogram this birthday and in lieu of drinks going out or take me to dinner or whatever five pounds ten pounds I'm trying to raise money so that I can get a mammogram and and I just you know I know I've got to do it I know this is a time where I just want to make sure things are going right because five years from now I could do it again. And I said, girls, you're going to end up getting a purse, a bag, possibly a trip to Vegas. Like people love you so much that they are going to love that you're loving on yourself.

32:02And then also be aware you're going to have people that you don't have to go in it silent. You're going in that and other people are aware, so they're going to be like, how was it? And you're like, oh, it's fine. and if how was it isn't you have so many people ready to love on you i can't tell you how much i

32:21Olivia Attwood:fucking love that whole i really do and because i've spoke about this and i like my team know this so like five years ago i found this lump in my breast i had it removed was completely benign it was a hard fatty lump yes and i before i had money and now i have money and i always have to you always have to like you say be super self-aware when you talk about this stuff because I straight away when I talk about social media people jump up they go you've got money and I always say but I before I say I find find a thousand fifteen hundred pound every year to go and have a smear uh an ultrasound for me right and full bloods like every single year I know for a fact even if I didn't have the money I have now I would make sure that I you put it aside yeah but we don't find that money to do that self-care and the same way that every single time you're on a plane they continue have to say please put your mask on before your child yeah but a mom is always going to go yeah right like instinctually and so when you're at home you make sure the kid goes to the doctor and the dentist and has all the this and and you're the bottom but you're you know literally depleting yourself each and every day for your own you know wonderful love for your children and i think as well we have this the we have the national health service here so of course they do an amazing job of looking after us we're so lucky to have them but i had this conversation with my doctor the other day in the private sector and he was like what a lot of women do is because the nhs they're doing what they can afford to do they look at the budgets and they go everyone come at 40 because we can't we can't he's like really i want to see women like you say at 30 i want to see them for a smear at 25 i don't want to see them it's it's I already know you're in a place that the ratio is higher.

34:10Yes. And that's all I'm just going to keep it real. Your ratio is higher. And when I did say that to people, what women, an example of is that an office told me, and it happened a few times in many different places, where the women in the office all booked appointments. Because they work there. Yeah. And they were all like, we support each other. and we're gonna because women don't want to talk about it with anyone else so they were and the person that I talked to said one of the women found it yeah in our group but it wasn't like a serious one and we're like if she didn't tell us that we wouldn't have even thought about doing it as a I support you you support me kind of thing and then we have you and you know now this is like Like, you know.

35:01It's insane. So it's a good thing. Don't be scared of it. Be scared if it's later.

35:07Olivia Attwood:Yeah, be scared of not knowing. Right. Be scared of not knowing because not knowing and not ever going. That's the scarier time. That's why women are scared. Yeah. Because they're older. And they're like, you know, it could happen. Yeah. I'm glad we talked about that. We weren't there from Dolly. What was she like? She is pure light. Pure kind. Everything you know of Dolly is, I mean, she's just, she was one of a kind. Ridiculously beautiful in person. Like, I don't know. She just... Like a doll. Incredible. But super talented, hard worker, and what I will say is so humble. Hilarious. She takes the mick out of herself.

35:58Olivia Attwood:Yeah. in a way that is so not, the self-deprecation is so perfect that you're just kind of like, she'll be the first one to be like, honey, my makeup and hair takes about 10 minutes. I walk in, they put her on, you know, eyelashes is good. You know, my hair takes about two seconds. You know, she's just like, she's the first one to be like, Sally Jane, which one we're going to pick today you know yeah and before anyone wanted to talk about this is not this is all my hair don't put your hands in it but this is all my hair you know so I think she was just sort of very okay about owning it yeah I'm gonna change my hair like I changed my hat yeah you know incredible

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39:37Olivia Attwood:So during your 30s, your career is going insane. Obviously, you battled your health up and down during that time. But you had a, was that an incredible 10 years for you? Yeah, yeah. It was very wonderful. Very, very wonderful. Do you look back in that time fondly? Is there anything you wish that you'd done differently? I mean, I was very insecure with myself a lot. Because I never knew. I was never put in that situation to compare myself. Yeah, of course. So even though I didn't have what I wanted to have, which is the blue eyes or whatever, no freckles and the long legs and the things, I never had it, so whatever.

40:21I could want it. But then all of a sudden, you're faced with all these other people that you feel look better than you. And then it's like chart position. And it's all the things that I'm like, Oh, my God, this whole thing is like a competition. Yeah. So I allowed myself to just let the record company worry about that. And I would just go tell me where I need to go. It's good. I'll just keep doing my thing. But I did start feeling like, oh, I can't leave the house without looking like the girl that they recognize like today. But this morning, kids, I'm just saying, she did not wake up like this.

41:03So I, it just, and I'm, I put myself on my Instagram enough real that, and I walk around in this city completely be in me. They just don't recognize me unless I talk. And then they're kind of like either she wants to be her. She looks like her because why would she be in Tesco's? Totally using a plastic bag, you know, and like carrying her cart like, oh, my God, it's so heavy. I'm buying water because it's too expensive in the hotel. Like just being mindful, you know? and I have like, you know, Unstoppables and Tide Pods because I'm doing my laundry. You know, they're like, that's definitely, Brody, sit.

41:50Sit. He's up. I'm getting excited. So he's getting excited. Okay, he's picking up your energy. He's like, something's happening. No, not yet. But good boy. Good job. I think he's a fan of Tesco's.

41:59Olivia Attwood:He just, he peeps his pop. So he heard Tesco's. He's like, we're going shopping. So you're quite like, you're quite sensible with the way you, but do you like to spend? If you're going to spend. I do love to spend. Okay, let's just keep the honesty, Anastasia right now. Because my sister is the one why I even still have money. Because if it was up to me, I'd be like, you get a car and you get a car and we get a car. Like it would have been so Oprah. And Sean was like, seriously, the amount you're spending. I don't even know what I spent on my wedding, to be fair, but it was great. It was amazing.

42:36It smelled great. I burned candles everywhere outside. that smelled great. The wedding, you paid for it? I mean, yeah.

42:44Olivia Attwood:And that was like a big spend. What was like one of your favorite purchases? Well, I mean, I will say it probably was my wedding if it was the biggest purchase next to a house. I don't think I paid more for my wedding than my house, but who knows? Where is home in the States? Home in the States now is Colorado, so it's in Denver. Very, very wonderful, very beautiful, very calm. but I live in Denver so it's a little city energy but not a lot and it was LA for a long time it was New York for a long time and my brother is disabled so when we move states he has to get reapplied and reassessed and all those things because he has federal help but state help is all separate in different states so we really looked at trying to move Brian to a place where we felt It had, you know, pretty good disability services for him.

43:43Olivia Attwood:Because you and your sister care for him, right? My sister is the caretaker. She's the caretaker. She's more of that and she travels sometimes now. Okay. But yeah. Because does he need help across the board? He is a, we call him an adult child. So he has cognitive brain dysfunction. So when they use that word, back in the day they used the R word. Oh, shit. So that's what they would have called him. They would have institutionalized him. He can't drive. He's not really, you know, the messages in his head go a little slower. And no money availability. Like, he doesn't even have a clue of how the toilet paper.

44:26Like, you know, if it was on him, he probably wouldn't shower for whatever till he had to go somewhere. You know, it's just the kind of things that are normal. and he's like in the age range of nine forever.

44:41Olivia Attwood:Wow. Because he isn't advancing. Yeah. Like his workbook is to second grade. Yeah. That's it. So when you look at a second grader, like Brian still thinks of himself that way. And it's so beautiful to hear you talk about him and the way you light up when you talk about him. Oh my God. Because it's like, I think so many people that are carers or like they have a family member who's disabled or they, it's such a heavy thing to carry. I'm not saying it's not heavy. No, no, of course. I'm also saying that we as a family, if we paid attention to how heavy it is, it would be heavier. Yeah. So y 'all got to just realize, that's what we got.

45:22And, you know, you need to be around people that support your life. Don't be around your friends that are no longer your friends because you can't go to the bar. Yeah. They aren't your friends.

45:34Olivia Attwood:Yeah. So when you have kids and your bar friends are with you and all of a sudden your kids, it's like, I don't want to go to Chuck E. Cheese or like, you know, the cute little kid friendly inside playground. I was like, that's okay. But I'm like, I'm in the train. You know, I'm like, I'm watching you. It's a little small for me in the balls. Oh, God. You know, it's like, I will. I'm the friend. Yeah. That's like, I'll change the diaper. And if someone looks at you sideways in a restaurant and they're like, the baby's crying. Like, the baby is crying because it's a baby. Because it's a baby, you know.

46:05It's a fucking baby. Even on an airplane, I'm like, so I'm to the person going. Yeah, yeah. It's not even my child. And I'm like, have you never seen a baby cry?

46:16Olivia Attwood:Cry, yeah. Slow it down a thousand. Get over yourself. It's not a private plane, you know. It's like, whatever. Pay to you. You did say that you imagined yourself with loads of kids. I did. Oh, and I would have in my life if it panned out and that was the situation. I'm going to approach this like delicately because it's no one's business. But as someone in their mid-30s who doesn't have kids, I've had a marriage that went tits up and I'm, you know, reassessing. And I get hammered with the question all the time. Are you going to have kids? Are you going to have kids? And it's like, I'm just like getting whiplash.

46:52Olivia Attwood:I'm like, okay, I'm just realizing. Yeah, I want to talk to you about it. So I always wanted kids and each couple years that go by as you're busy. Yeah. And then maybe a relationship for a while and then you're like, okay, that's not going to happen. So it really was if I was going to do it, I wanted to have it with a partner that I felt would represent, you know, having a kid with. And as time got longer, I was like, if I want a kid, I mean, I don't have to have a guy. I started thinking that philosophy where it's like, I'm successful. I was like, there are cool nannies out there. And, you know, I could find one that is capable of helping in the process of life like this.

47:37And I investigated getting my eggs situated and finding, you know, a D donor and then just creating a family for myself in that way. and then I kind of met my ex-husband and he had two kids and I was like Jesus you know I was like they made it happen I just thought it was like oh my god this is what's supposed to happen yeah I'm not supposed to do that I'm supposed to do this and and it just obviously once again didn't pan out. But then we're talking, I was later in years and I started thinking to myself, I had to grow first after the divorce. I then had to go, okay, we need to assess like, what's up?

48:28These things that happen in your life or whatever goes on, are you really take, I have to take full responsibility for everything that happens in my life. And I need, so I started writing songs about it. And there's a song on the album after I got divorced called Stupid Little Things. And really the phrase is, I did it to myself. I did it to myself. So it's like, stupid little things that keep me from you, which is really yourself. And so you're realizing that the things that you're like, oh my God, and he, and then she, well, really, but you kept on having that ick and maybe knew that it was like, but this is what relationships are, suffering.

49:14And, you know, you have to go through these hard times. No, you really just have to have somebody who's like your friend or, you know, really, you may have to go through the hard ones to find a good one. Maybe some people find the good one at the beginning. But I really do suggest to any woman that if you want, feel free to freeze your eggs. No harm, no foul to any guy you're going to meet in the future. But if the guy isn't there in the future, you then still have the choice. And the reality is if you want to be a mom, you can with your own eggs, you know. And granted, that's money. So if you are looking to do that, start pocketing money away.

49:58there is a woman who is in our political system who is, she goes by AOC. And she's really super inspiring. She's going through IVF to take her eggs because she's like, you know, maybe it's going to be just me. And letting us follow this journey with her because it is something that shouldn't threaten a guy. It really shouldn't. It's like, I don't know where you're my boyfriend, but like, I don't know that you're going to be my everything. So I'm just doing this for me. But if it's for us, that's great. You know, what if when we want, I can't. We do it. Yeah. You know, but once again, it is an investment in retrieving eggs and doing that.

50:49But it's not, it's not super out of the realm of no if you if you know what it's costing start putting that money aside and you know at least you have them there yeah you know there's that and then the stress that you feel as a woman wanting to have a baby you're not like tick tock you're the guy yeah and then you end up having yeah it's kind of like you know he fit all the boxes enough yeah Yeah.

51:15Olivia Attwood:Yeah. Yeah. Because also, I'm like, every breakup you go through, and then you separate the staff or the pets or everything, I always just think, my God, imagine you'd had children. You'd be stuck with them forever in some capacity. It's so scary. And that's heavy. That's heavy to think about. And so I think it's really, it's an official 100 % choice, and it's a woman's choice. Yes. just looking at all the women and the men going it's all good you guys are shooting shooting the gun and we're we have no vest on you know I'm just saying you know we're like you know sorry anyway welcome to the podcast but basically your messages empower that decision make basically set yourself up so you can make that great and but not make the man feel pressure that you're want to be with Because you're like 39 and then you're like, your baby daddy.

52:13Yeah. Like I know that that's what men feel pressure. Yes. So I'm speaking to both. Yeah. I'm like, guys feel pressure too. But if you're taking care of the pressure factor, enjoy your relationship. You're like, and if and when it can happen, we'll both feel it. And if and when it's not going to go in that direction, bye, bye, bye, you know.

52:34Olivia Attwood:Yeah. How has it been, how have you found, it's a big wide question, but dating being Anastasia. I've never swiped. I've never done the swipey thing, but I've swiped for my friends and it's so much fun. And I'm so excited about being like, oh God, no. So I think it's super fun. And I think I might have entered into that world because everyone is. So I, but no. How do you, how does Anastasia meet a guy? Are men scared of you? The men that come up to me act like they're not scared of me. But they should be. No. But I think they're confident, so I appreciate that. But they don't have to be... Back in the day, they didn't have to be anything like have a great job or do this or do that.

53:32They didn't have to have the money. No. But these days, if somebody's going to want to say, I'd like to date you and we'd like to date each other, it's really difficult for the guy. Because I'm like, I'll see you in three months, boo. It's like, cook for yourself. We can't go to dinner. Have fun with the dudes. It's just like, what can I offer a guy that's like, I'd love to date you? I'm like, FaceTime. You're a busy gal. Yeah, so I test drive. Yeah. You know, stick shift. Yeah, just go stick. So, you know, all the guys get me jokes. Yeah. But, you know, I'm test driving cars and go like, thank you, no purchase.

54:18It drove nice, but no, thank you. You take it around the block. I took it around the block, and sometimes I didn't even get around the block. Story of my fucking life. Sorry, this microphone is acting like a stick shift. Oh, my God. I know. I'm going to be X-filed off the podcast. The dirtiest person on the show was... I'm obsessed with you. ...double entendre.

54:40Olivia Attwood:The publicist is having palpitations. But your love of your life is... He's about to escape. Can we talk about the dog? Really? Dog's plural, though. Do you want to come here? Brody has been... Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. Now, he's going to be... The desperation of, like, separation. Brody, what's going on? Okay, wait. If you're listening to the pod, you're not watching. Oh, bummer. You better watch and listen right now. He's a chocolate Yorkshire Terrier, you said? He is a Yorkshire Terrier, but he is a chocolate breed, which is a very rare color breed. And he's got a little ponytail. Yeah, he's got a super fly haircut.

55:22Yeah, he's a little like fountain ponytail on top of his head.

55:25Olivia Attwood:And how many do you have more dogs? I used to always have dogs. I just obviously didn't travel with them. My mom would take care of them when I was on the road. So I was always a dog mom. But I chose this breed slash this size because, I know, he's very. I can't even kite with him. I know. And yes, my love bug, you are very sweet. Because he can travel with you. Oh, no. Do I get kisses? We don't want to give everybody our buttocks. So why don't you, okay, settle. Thank you. So I think it's more that I wanted that on my road life. And my manager was more saying, you know, it's hard to travel with dogs.

56:07It just makes airplanes and this and that a lot harder. And so I actually just said, I don't care at this stage. You know, I want to have a little furry love bug on, in the road, in the bus, at the gig. I want one. And I knew somebody who knew the breed. I knew their dog. And I was like, this is it. And it happened 2022. Him and his brother came into my life. And I gave his brother to my mother. So they get to play when I come home. And he's got, you know, his relative.

56:48Olivia Attwood:Yep. And the reason you're in the UK, you don't need a reason, but you are here because you're on tour. I am on tour. You were on tour. And this has been a super exciting last year was the 25th anniversary. And the beauty of that is we had a great tour and it was really, really fabulously sold out. And so now we just extended it into 2026. And so that is what's happening now. Yeah. And you're back and you're returning. Is it true you're going back to Wembley for the first time since 2004? Yeah. And it's weird because I didn't even like realize that because I was doing more smaller venues than just doing two nights or three nights and that kind of thing.

57:33Because I like that vibe. I like going to the more iconic 3000 venue or, you know. Because you can have a more intimate experience. You can talk to them. You think I don't talk? I'm sorry. I sing in the show a little bit. And the rest is chat. And then it's a freaking stand-up comedy show. So, yeah. And then it's whatever happens. Do you love performing? I love my job. I love, and my job is talking to someone about what's up in the world. And it's being around people who are moved by the song. It's not about them liking me. It's like the song I know made something happen to them. I'm so grateful that that happened.

58:21I love being on stage. I'm not self-conscious about that. I feel very grateful that the gift I have is still something I can do. Because it's a gift. I have a cold and I sound like Manastasia. It's not a good line. I'm like, I don't wonder if you know. Yeah, they don't want to come and see that on, you know.

58:41Olivia Attwood:And you go everywhere. I've got Belfast, Ireland, Manchester, Wolverhampton. Then you're in Wembley on the 26th of September. I am. And the tickets left, some? In Wembley, yes. Okay. But there are some that are, you know, you gotta go online. And check it. Because I know we're getting low in the numbers, so I can't promise. Guys, this is your final. You may have to go to Manchester or Brighton, you know, but if you can slip into Wembley, it's going to be a night to remember. Is it true you don't warm up? I don't. You just literally, you go straight on. I do. and like I could just just sing that's something that's incredible it's I don't think it's a good thing to tell anyone to do like you recommend it what I am saying I do because if you're a singer you're listening it's a muscle and I do think and what I sort of know is when I wake up in the morning when I'm touring a lot I wake up in the morning and it's sometimes it's a little lower but I know the resonance on the top as a singer if you know music if I have the resonance everything else will sort of clear up and it's kind of like if you work out all the time it is that kind of thing is that you end up having a knowledge that you're fine for the day you're in tune with yourself yeah yeah yeah and I don't go out and I don't really have a social life you're not a drink a party girl are you oh girl i can i can have a drink you can throw it not on the road because it would affect your voice yeah so if i have a two day off you're not not crazy but i'm like vodka and a diet coke oh is that your drink well it's just the closest it's a not a strong it's a strong one if you you know a lot of it but it's easier on the acidic and you know it's all acidic i do like sake because it is the lowest acidity but i can't find that just in a random tesco's girl's got a fine which has got a fine you know what are your what's your favorite way to look after yourself like are you are you how you are healthy i imagine your diet's pretty clean i'm not saying it's like ultimately healthy i have a lot of little things that are our go-tos if i'm in the mood for it but when i'm home my creature comforts are you know i wouldn't do a Diet Coke, I do Zevia because there is soda out there that I can have that's made with Stevia.

1:01:04And I would do stuff that I, you know, I do Halo Top ice cream because there's protein in it. And I would do a lot of other things that sometimes on the road in different countries you can't get. So maybe I'm a little not as great of a choice of a naughty thing, but I will say that I've gotten healthier over time.

1:01:31Olivia Attwood:Right, let's play this game. Okay. So I can't take credit to this. One of my brilliant producers made this game and they called it Anastasia. Well, I thank you because you're going to get the answer. So we just want the honesty. What is one Anastasia song you, if you had to never hear again, you'd vanish? Oh, no. That's a very... Brody, what do you think it is? You just became... I mean, that's like choosing one of your children. That I would ban. If you had to. Or do you have them all? Okay, so this is, I did write a song called Apology. I felt like I had to write it because I had to write it about something I needed to, because I felt sorry for it.

1:02:16But I don't feel like I'd want to sing it again, but I don't feel, it would be banned from me singing it. Because I'm like, I did it. I did what I needed to do. I expressed that emotion, that feeling, but it's not something I ever need to sing.

1:02:32Olivia Attwood:You've talked about you had mentors and amazing friends in the industry, you know, that you've sang alongside. If you could mentor one pop star currently now, like who's a pop star now that you are like, you fucking have it? There's quite a few. Well, I slipped into Teddy's, Teddy Swims, DMs way at the beginning. I'm so glad you finished the sentence because I was like, what? You know Teddy. Teddy Bear. You know that really great singer. Teddy Snips. What voice? But I really just said, you're on a ride that will take you a lot of places. I hope you have good people around you. Yeah. And sort of just gave him mama talk.

1:03:12That's really kind. And I've done that with a few artists. I did that with Anne-Marie, Jade. I've done it with a few people just saying, you know, if there is a moment like I'm not trying to be your best friend, but if you just want to ask, is this real and right and what's going on? I'm good for it. You know, you can call, you can text me, you know, um, well DM me until I become your friend.

1:03:41Olivia Attwood:And then you can have my number. What is the biggest misconception people have about you? Is there one? That I, that I'm so strong in everything that things don't bother me. you know, aka insecurities or bad thoughts in my head about myself. But I don't have bad thoughts about the world or things that could happen. It's more directed at, oh, that wasn't great. I should have done that better. You know, because my bar is high for myself, I believe. What do you think of the term diva and who's the biggest diva you've ever met? I won't tell you the biggest diva I've ever met because I do believe it's I don't like to talk negative about another person because just because I didn't have an experience that might have been great doesn't mean that that person didn't have a bad day that's a balanced way of looking at it I'm giving them a lot of credit but so you're like I know for a fact it wasn't me all the day.

1:04:43Olivia Attwood:They're just like, see you and see. But, you know, what was the first part of it? Like, what do you think of the term diva? I love the term diva. Yeah, I do. Because truthfully, it really is, depending on how you're doing stuff, it's, I think I embrace diva as a power word. I don't think of it as she thinks she's better than. You know, but... It is. It can be used both ways. I also think that when we use the word, like you say, there are some people in television, I meet some people who get called divas, and you meet them, and you're like, no, you're just not a nice person. You're not a diva. You're just really unpleasant.

1:05:27Olivia Attwood:Right, you just don't quite. But then also. You shouldn't be interviewed. No. You shouldn't be in the public space. And there's a lot of people that do this business, and they don't like interviews. Yeah. And you know what? good for good for them knowing that they don't want to put anyone else through the suffering because they want to answer stuff with yeah not even yes just not even um that's what i think or whatever be like like act like your questions are boring yeah you know so many women though that just set boundaries are then called divas because you're like oh actually i don't feel comfortable doing that and they're like right right but if a man said that right oh he doesn't want to wear that's helpful it's definitely that and it probably always will be but we are talking more about the fact that there is a double standard and as long as we just let we keep letting girls know there's a double standard yeah it it will continue cinderella our stories they're all out there it is you know it's a fact you know be pretty be nice you'll get the guy so it's all out there in weird enough like innocent kid books but is it really the way you want to make your child feel like they're whole if they find a guy to be their husband like that's when you really hit the pinnacle that's your life's not right that your life doesn't matter and you don't need to have like we're not in the 40s and 50s when we don't have a credit card in our name anymore like we have all that but they still don't like that no like the power houses of the world are still you know if the cut hadn't happened and you hadn't or without the cut you hadn't got your label the rest of it take singing out of it what do you think you'd be doing i had already had that question in my mind the year the year that i was 29 really because i'm like what do i know it's I think they're not going to happen.

1:07:27So I had said to the current manager I had that I had for like a year and a half, this is it. This is mine. I'm giving you my last year. That's all I'm going to do. And then in February, I got fired from a massage, fancy massage place in Beverly Hills that I was answering phones. And I didn't really realize I was getting fired. I got brought into the office. We're going to have to let you go. And I said, where? Once again. Not the brightest tool in the shed. So I was like, oh, wow, I'm getting fired. But they said, you know, we don't need so many people to be at the desk. We're going in a slower.

1:08:09So I get fired, and my mom's like, collect an unemployment check. And I'm like, I can do that. And she said, sure, yeah, collect it. So for six months, I'm collecting an unemployment check almost to the time that I do the cut. So I'm literally collecting this like$600.32 unemployment check. And, okay, I'm going to illegally say, and still doing gigs for$50 a night singing three sets. Anastasia's answering the questions. Yeah. So, yeah, still just trying to collect a little cash on the set.

1:08:49Olivia Attwood:Yeah, you're just doing a little hustle. Yeah, I did a little hustle. because I did love to sing, but I was singing at weddings and singing at clubs. You couldn't live off it. No. No. So you were like, that was the year. And you're like, this is like... So it was, I think I need to go to a school that will help me get some kind of a social work or some kind of a degree that I could help underprivileged children or children that are marginalized or whatever so I could help them. So to me, I just still wanted to give back and help and make a difference. All of those things really mattered to me.

1:09:28So they just threaded into how I write my songs, I guess, and what I stand for as a person. It's just I'm doing it on a really big level. So I have tons of students. My schedule is full, my therapy schedule.

1:09:42Olivia Attwood:Yeah. You're doing therapy at Wembley. I am. You're just on a huge scale. and I won't, I'm not charging that much, to be honest. It's the cheapest therapy session you'll ever have. And probably the most enjoyable. You will. Because you're going to have to talk about your childhood, your ex-boyfriend. Yeah, you're going to get all the anger out and bring all the joy. And I allow you to drink during it. Oh my God, it sounds... I'm the best therapist ever. Sounds fucking perfect. Before I let you go, who do I need to have sat in the huge chair? You make the chair look huge. You're so tiny. I know, really.

1:10:15It's probably the hugest the chair has ever looked. But I'm petite.

1:10:20Olivia Attwood:Who do you want to refer to the guest list for Olivia's house? I would love, I want, because I'm seeing that you love to laugh. Yeah. And so I would want a comedy person as I'm thinking, like a Will Ferrell. Oh. Just saying, girl, I know. Dreams do come true. Yeah, that would. So, yeah, why not? I have so many comedians on my. Yeah, I would just, yeah. I would say that Galifianakis, Jack Black, those kind of things. But a new female one that I think you would love is Fortune Feimster. And she was just in the movie that Will Ferrell did about his golfing. He was like, give me the name. It's called Hawk.

1:11:05It's called Hawk. Yeah, you can see it on streaming. And it's called Hawk. And she's his caddy. And she's hilarious. and she also has a podcast and they're very open Fortune is the gay and so is the two other gays in the village on her podcast and so their village is called Handsome and they're all female so it's a great podcast of them just talking and they're all three hilarious and so I think Fortune

1:11:37Olivia Attwood:are they LA or are they New York? they're worldwide now Fortune's getting out there I'm going to New York next week so I'm trying to see if I can hit her up yeah check it out and see if you can get her on she's funny even if it's this year or next year she'll still be funny and I love her.com and who do we ban? who's not coming in? I mean okay I'm going to just I don't know the names of anyone but a married guy trying to hit on you like ew like we don't want that in your chair because that's gross what is that i don't know and they like they'll be like my wife i love her so much but then they're like you know and no one will ever check me out in the same like the u.s like or look at me up more than a guy with his kids or something yeah i'm like i don't even have my own kids what makes me want to look at your fucking kids and what are you put your eyes back in your head slow it down i ain't trying to be nanny or stepmother right here.

1:12:42Olivia Attwood:They're so like, yeah, that's so, no one has, I think no one has more confidence than maybe men that already have a woman. Because they have like a fullback. Yeah, I would say, when do you, when do you see a mom rolling the children in a waitress Tesco's and some guy is like, or she is like, in the vegetable department. And they're like, my dream. You know, like my dream. And she's got like one hanging off this. And, you know, and she's got like a ponytail to, you know, mommy, like she's worried about her kids. You know, so it's like we don't do that. Moms don't go out and try to, you know, snag one at the grocery store.

1:13:28But they'll in a heartbeat. We're too busy. We've got shit to do. Especially when you're a mom. But a dad's like, it's a part time thing. I can date you. I'm going to drop this. Drop the kids off at their moms. A daycare, whatever.

1:13:42Olivia Attwood:It's like I'm babysitting my kid for one hour. You know, like, what is it? What is it? Let's bump phones or whatever the heck they talk about. Blech! Oh, my God, I don't want this to end. I know you will hear this a lot because you're an icon, but this has truly been like an absolute bucket list interview for me. Thank you. Having heard your songs in my mom's car, driving to school and she used to sing them, used to make me and my sister so pissed off. She's like, shut up. You're like, not good, Mom. And then to then, those songs, like, defining so many moments in my life, listening to those songs.

1:14:17You realize what you took from it in a very deep, weird way. Yeah, I'm like, she was going through some shit on that drive.

1:14:21Olivia Attwood:Right. And we were trying to shut her down. Right. You're like, Mom, I already know. And then those songs. You're out of love. I get it. Dad and you are having rough times. You know, do we have to sing about it? You know. I'm just trying to get dropped off to school here. Right. I don't need to, like, be traumatized by you, like, Why'd you lie to me? You know, all my songs are like the theme of a woman's scorn. But they are completely timeless. And then those songs have defined moments in my adult life. And I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful to you and Brody. And he was a big part. He's enjoyed this interview so much.

1:14:59He's literally going, she's so beautiful. I fainted. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

1:15:05Olivia Attwood:Oh my God, Anastasia, everyone. Oh. and Brody oh Brody yay

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