Ilona Maher: Rugby’s Biggest Personality, Viral Success & Why Short Kings Win

21:26And so it's really been amazing the journey I've been on because of making like that high school me being like, well, let me go to that field in South Burlington.

21:34Olivia Attwood:What sports did you play prior to that? Did you give other ones a go? Yes. I was a great athlete. Subtle brag.

21:43I was a feel-like basketball softball player. So you did it all. And that is what's cool about America is we can play sports all season long. Yeah. I played a ton of sports and have always really loved it and always felt like my body was made for sports.

21:57Olivia Attwood:And what was your relationship with your body at school as a young woman? Did you learn to appreciate what you had and your strength and your natural ability or was it something you had from a young age? I never understood why my body looked the way it did. I remember we'd be running the mile and feel lucky and I would just be like, why do I look so big yet I'm so fit? I'm fitter than all the girls who are smaller and we're considered the fit girls, you know, who should be running. But I can run just as fast as them, just as far as them. And I look like this. That doesn't make any sense. I should be thinner then.

22:31So it was always very tough. But sports are what told me, well, because I'm so big, I'm great in the paint in basketball. Or because I'm so big, my softball pitches are so fast. So that's what helped me. But it's a never-ending battle because your body is constantly changing. And even now, I still have trouble with it. I'm in a period where I'm not playing rugby right now. I'll get back to it. But when you're not training three times a day, it's almost realistic. That's an unrealistic life that I would lead Olympic training. So I'm constantly learning. But I was definitely never understood how beautiful I was as well.

23:02I don't think I even understood how beautiful I was until maybe like after college, I would say. Because I never got attention from boys. And I never felt like people would say the things like, oh, you know, masculine, even when I was younger. and so you say it to a young girl and it's like wait a second I don't feel this way

23:18Olivia Attwood:and I think that you I think it's changing now because I speak to friends that have kids and you know Gen Z it's changing a little bit but I also think being really good at sport at school um creates a weird dynamic with boys because like when I was at school I used to so you'd call it run track but I ran like cross-country and I was I mean look I'm built like a whippet yeah and I was fast I mean I was like county record holder and then I remember beating a boy that I liked in cross-country and I mean he didn't ever speak to me again and I remember that feeling of thinking like I don't actually I did because at that age I was getting to that age where boys started to become the center of my universe a little bit and I was thinking like I don't like that feeling like either I don't want to run again or I don't want to beat him because your mind you suddenly start to think, wait, what do I value more here?

24:09Olivia Attwood:It's a sobering moment, I think, as a young female, and no one's really, society hasn't prepared you for owning your power in that moment. I think it's getting better, but not probably as quickly as it needs to. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? ZepBound Terzepatide may be able to help. ZepBound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity or some adults with overweight who also have weight-related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off. ZepBound is approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5, or 15 milligram injection.

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26:06So then instead I was like, well, I just got to play sports. So I never had, I don't think I ever even had, like I thought boys were, some boys were cute, but I was never like believed I would go after them or could ever get them.

26:17Olivia Attwood:That's a set. It's very interesting because for me, the way we looked was very highly, a lot of like pressure and that conversation was had around it in our family. like my mom was a model and so I was very aware of like how boys perceived me and I think that being good at sport and then having that moment where that guy was like like now I've embarrassed him to see if he doesn't want to talk to me it made me feel yeah that's interesting and maybe you weren't even looking to care what they fucking think you were free if you don't have boys liking you it's great you're going to be a great athlete so that's one less issue that must be it and that's why I didn't run 1500 meters And that's why you weren't at the Olympics, because boys liked you.

27:00Yeah, we found it out now. And that's why I'm in the fucking club getting shit-faced. And that's why she loves clubbing, guys, because boys liked her. Not me. I'm in two Olympics because boys didn't even look at me. Yeah, let's talk about boys.

27:14Olivia Attwood:Okay. Because I also, that's another part of your content I really enjoy, because you are very funny with it. You're very candid. And sometimes I'm like, you're so straight down the mark with it. I'm like wait I don't know if she's being sarcastic or she's being dead serious but you'll just be like where the boys at? Where the fuck are they at? Thank you yeah. What is your relationship like with dating and men now as an adult woman? I posted it used to be my content a lot in Tokyo was like finding people love single people they love single people doing stuff think about Love Island think about The Bachelor they are obsessed with it so I knew that this would be great content.

27:48Can I just interject do a lot of people

27:49Olivia Attwood:have sex at Olympics? No. Okay so it is a bit of a myth. It's a bit of a myth because these people are the best in their game and they're trying to win a medal. So where's all that? Is that just a bit of a, we all wish that was the case? Well, you think that would happen because, oh, there's hot people in a village, but I'm sorry, that guy is locked the fuck in. He hasn't had sex for six months. Yeah, literally. He doesn't want his testosterone to peak or some shit. I kept making jokes about it, but it never happened. No, I think that dating right now, I'm on the apps and I click through. I think I'm waiting for a man who's going to make me really proud and who, because I have such amazing friends, I have amazing family.

28:26I want a man who I really feel like, oh, this is mine. Like, I am proud of him. He's a great person. And I'm like finding in some places, but I think it's going to take me a lot of work because I've like never been in a relationship really like a long-term thing over a year, anything like that. So I'm thinking sometimes I'm being a little too picky and sometimes I'm not letting things develop. I'm my own worst enemy, possibly have attachment issues. My friends can comment on that. A bit of self-protection, maybe. In a way, I think it goes back to even being a young girl and not getting the attention.

28:58Sometimes I'm like, well, why would he like me? But there's other women who are even better than me. Why would he enjoy me? So even though that's so wrong, and I am such a great person, I think the young alonor in my head, which may be great at sports, as we now know.

29:14Olivia Attwood:Great at sports. That's the reason I'm into Olympics. She's telling me. You don't deserve this. Yes, not for you. Not for me, right? Doubting. And so I cut it off before anything can happen because I'm just not sure about it. So I'm working on that because I can be my own biggest hater and I can be my own biggest self-sabotager. I also like foreigners. Okay, nice. Big foreigner fan. Any particular region? Oh, really? Yeah, a lot of Brits. But I think what you just said there is like, is really powerful because I think the fact that you are so confident and you know your value and, you know, you are who you are so, you know, unashamedly.

29:48Olivia Attwood:I think for a lot of women to hear that you do sometimes have that in a monologue that you are battling with is like a very relatable, very honest thing to say. And probably a lot of people listening will relate to that sentiment. What is it about British guys that you like? I enjoy the humor over in England and, you know, the UK. I think American men sometimes aren't the best with like jokes. and I don't, I think you guys are better at having conversations as men and women, even in a non-sexual way. Yeah. You guys can talk and just chat as people and joke as people. I think there's more of a level of like equality in that sort of conversational way.

30:28I even see like, especially with Irish people, I think they're really good at just chatting as men and women. It doesn't have to be in a sexual sense. Whereas in America, I think it's a lot more. The boys don't have

30:38Olivia Attwood:the banter with the girls. They just have it with the bros. Yes, I think so. And also I think you, for, this sounds for you for an American, you have that sarcasm and that nuance, whereas, like, you know, when I'm in L.A., I'm like, they don't get it. Yes. They don't, like, I'll say something that's so sarcastic, like, and they'll go, oh, my God, that's awful. I'm like, oh, no, I'm joking. Yeah. And I think that because you have that, that's probably what you like about British men because they'll pick it up. Yeah. Any other European? Whatever. I enjoy Spanish. Who wouldn't? Yeah, right. You're not going to knock that out of bed.

31:14Olivia Attwood:Jesus Christ. I'm also not like crazy on height. You can be taller. Well, preferably taller than me. And then I'd go like my height. But that's about it. I keep trying to get my friends to set me up with people. They're no help. No. So if you know anybody. I know some British guys. I feel that you could be worthy of your time. I mean, not loads, but. Yeah, I think so. How tall are you? 5 '10". We're the same. And what's your relationship been like with your height? I think it's here and there. Like, I love being tall. And then sometimes you also feel like so tall and so big. Like, I'll look at a woman like, that's a big woman.

31:51She comes standing next to me like, we are the same height. You know, so I sometimes it's also perspective. You know, when I'm like, the guy I'm seeing is like 6 '3". So I'm like, I'm just a tiny, I'm just a tiny, tiny little girl. Oh my God. And then he picks me up. I'm like, I'm like, literally so small. And then I'll see like a guy like who's 5 '10", or like be around 5 '10 guy. And it's just like, you know, you feel a different way. So it's perspective.

32:17Olivia Attwood:Oh my God, 100%. And so my husband is like, I'm a little bit taller than him. That's okay. I think he's hot. And I'm into it. All the best men I've had have been my height or smaller. You know why that, I think that is. The confidence. The confidence. Tall men have been told their whole lives, this is what women want. You're going to get all the ladies. They haven't had to work on anything. Short men have had to work on their personality. And the tallest guy I dated, every time I get out a pair of heels on an evening, he'd freak out. Because you know what I realized? Being tall was his thing. And so me being up next to him in my high heels, it was like ruining his like thing, his only thing he brought to the table because it was fuck all else.

32:57Olivia Attwood:Whereas my husband's like, get the big shoes on, like go for it, you look hot. Like he would never give a shit about, he's like the taller you look, the richer I look, let's fucking go. And I love that confidence. yeah um and i always say that to my tall friends i'm like don't rule out the short kings a short king with a killer face card well now you might not want to talk about the love island but so my thing is i always loved love island yeah but i was like and i when i was younger i actually kind of wanted to go on it but i would be scared to go on it because i would think that none of the men would be into me because i was so tall and big did you ever feel that going to love island being like taller because i imagine those women aren't that big i probably was the tallest girl in there do you know what didn't think about it too much my thing has been I've never I felt like because I stereotypically tip fitted in to other society norms of like how people do you know what I mean yeah being I've always owned being tall the only thing sometimes I'd feel is that because I'm tall and like narrow like I could feel a bit lanky yeah you know a bit like a cheesestring um but I never worry too much about the tallness and love violin again because I'm not that hung up on tall men I was just a bit like well either there's be a confident guy who doesn't care or there's not I didn't think about it too much but really like it's quite a mixed bag in there you get quite a range I ended up with someone that was like medium okay interesting the height wasn't the issue personality the personality was the issue when it comes to dating what are the ics for you what's a date like what's a turn off number one being late to our date even five minutes I'll be pissed that's rude if you're three minutes I'll also get mad I want you there if not early they should be there before you be there early and say hey I'm here early take your time yeah wet you know and then I just there's like some little things that I also think are important I recently was you know on a date with a guy and he for our first day he'd walked on the outside of the road and then I saw each other again he walked he was walking on the inside and I was getting annoyed because I'll get annoyed at little things and I was like as in he should be he should be car side yeah she wants me to get hit by a car like little things like that that I think chivalry isn't dead and I think growing up as the girl who got considered you know bigger and masculine there's some ways that I want you to make me feel like a lady and I need a man you know people say like they put you in your your feminine or whatever I do need that from a man I want you to make me feel that way it's something that is important to me not for other people but I want you to do the little things like that I want you to open the door when I go in And I want you to big thing.

35:33Yeah. Ask me questions too. It's a lot of, dating recently has been a lot of like, York I'm constantly asking because I think women are just good conversationalists. So I ask a lot of questions and I don't get it back.

35:46Olivia Attwood:Yeah. It's like learning how to have a conversation with, I would say some British guys are okay with, a lot of American men aren't the best at, but it has, I want it to be a flowing thing. If I ask you about your brother, you say he's this age, blah, blah, blah. What about you? And I can tell you about my sister. So that's where it's just an ick when you are not flowing with it and asking me to get to know me deeper. 100%. Have you seen the bird test on TikTok? No, what's this? So they basically married women or women in relationships. They say to their husband, they film them without them being filmed.

36:16Olivia Attwood:Like, oh, I saw a bird today. It's just all they say. And then the test is, does the husband go, oh, what kind of bird was it? Or do they just go, like, or don't respond? Right. Basically just see if they have any. It's really dumb. But in some ways, I was watching it. It was interesting to be like, interesting to see how many of the men were actually interested in like having a conversation with their partner. But yeah, maybe you should try it out. Have you tried it with your husband? I did it actually with Livedo. I wasn't filming it. I just, I did have my phone by and I just thought I was going to ask him.

36:46Olivia Attwood:He said something, he gave a better response. He was like, he said something like, okay, like, where was it? And then I was laughing loads and he was like, what? And I was like, and he was like, where was the bird? and I was like no I was like you passed anyway kind of you passed I don't want to say to the bird anymore I was like I just want to say to the bird I was like yeah you kind of passed you just mentioned your sisters there you got an Olivia Olivia yeah the oldest and she calls herself the matriarch of the family yeah it's my dad calls her yeah matriarch I also take this role I was first daughter first granddaughter I kind of feel like you are the matriarch I'm leading you should own that you're middle right I am yeah and my sister's middle who's like literally no one fucks with her like she's doesn't take it middle children don't take any shit in some ways yeah yeah yeah like and then what's your younger sister like uh adriana yeah she's very smart very with it um she's who i go to when it's like i want to post something but it might be controversial and she said that's so funny but maybe we don't maybe we don't cancel yeah you know so she's my checks and balances uh she's a little baby she lives here in new york actually oh no um but they're both really funny and amazing and I think the reason I am the way I am like the reason I can have conversation and I love to just chat is because of them we can go out and just talk about the same things like I'll ask I'll tell them about a bird and they'll be like what bird and we'll go off oh my god I love birds let's you know and it'll just go from there did you always get along so well we my older sister and I got along really well because we were kind of similar in uh age but also grade so when I was a senior she was a junior so one one year apart whereas my younger sister was much different.

38:23When she was a freshman, I was a senior. So, you know, there's not a lot of kind of overlap. We weren't close. It was Olivia and I and then Adriana was kind of our little black sheep and we definitely left her out in some ways. I apologize to her now. A moment for Adriana. Everyone, can we just silence for Adriana? She was excluded. Yeah, she was excluded. And then as we got older, we've gotten so much closer. Her and Olivia are very close but they're also very similar in some ways. Like, you know, when they're similar enough that they can get on each other's nerves really well, but also just work so well together.

38:55And now we're all very close. And we do a podcast together, House of Mars. So we are really have figured it out. And we now like live together too. So.

39:04Olivia Attwood:Oh, wow. So you're spending a lot of time. A lot of time together. Yeah. And you have a fight? Honestly, I think Olivia is such a good peacekeeper in many ways. Her and Adriana will fight and then I'll try to be the kind of peacekeeper there. But other that we are don't fight too much we're very chill people can kind of hang out is it ever competitive between the three of you because no not really i think like we kind of all do different things and also like i i'm the only one that does rugby i think that's probably what worked out well for us is that was my thing and it's only my thing and then the podcast is the thing that's brought you three together yes in some ways yeah so it's definitely not competitive we're all such different spaces.

39:46Adriana works like in non-profit politics. Olivia is actually my manager and she used to be like worked in film a little bit. So we kind of do our own thing, which is really nice. I think it would have been a problem if we all were into rugby and I was the one that got, you know, Olympics. So I love that we do our different things. We have our different likes.

40:05Olivia Attwood:Yeah. Amazing.

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41:14Olivia Attwood:So yeah, that's probably the funniest thing because it's got loads of traction. It still gets quoted on now. Even though we've said it's not true, they'll be like, oh, Olivia is on this job, job. Of course, with her glam team, that she doesn't go anywhere without. I'm like, that's just my thing now, apparently. Well, this apple's gone off, but my sense of humour definitely hasn't. If you want to play something that's actually fun, head over to Tombola, where there's a share of over a million pounds to be won in their jungle free game. Terms and conditions apply. 18 plus. Gamble aware.

41:49Olivia Attwood:Your influence is huge. You were recently voted the third most marketable athlete in the world. Yeah. It's pretty insane. You were marked above LeBron James, Lionel Messi. Like, that's kind of astronomical, isn't it? Yeah. It needs to get your head around. And let's be real, I'm not getting the billion-dollar deals like LeBron is, but it's in a different sort of number. So like marketable, the views that I get, the people who are watching me, the followers, like there's something about it where people are just taking notice. So that's what it means by marketable. Your audience is connected to you.

42:21Yes, the audience is very connected to me. Yeah. But I like hate that I'm thought of as an influencer first, like content creative first, because to me, I'm a rugby player. I'm an athlete, but a lot of people only know me as, you know, what they see online. but I've had to do what's online to live a life of an athlete. I had to be out there posting constantly and putting myself out there because if not, I would be making nothing.

42:47Olivia Attwood:What is a generalized question, but that pay gap between male and female athletes, I mean, it's across the board, even in female soccer. Like, is there a world where we're going to close this gap? Do you think it's, I mean, people like you are having a massive effect on this. I think especially for rugby, I don't see it happening soon. I hope that this World Cup does great things for women's rugby in England. But again, we need to get the fans out there because I would go to games in England and they'd be like, we have a record number of crowd of 4 ,000 fans. And that was big, but 4 ,000 fans isn't going to pay even one girl's salary.

43:25So that, and that's the thing is, I can see that it's on us as players too. That's why I, we can't wait for rugby to big and for our play on the field doesn't matter as much. We have to do so much more. and England's really where rugby's kind of taking off for women in some ways. They're doing it so right they just did the World Cup so right. But the gap isn't going to close and I think that's why we as women have to go a little bit more onto sponsorships and onto brands who want to support women's rugby players because we still are not getting the fans out like that traditional and men's rugby in England they have old fans that have been there for years and years.

43:57This is their club. We're getting new fans into the game and they're just not paying enough to support us and you can have you know rich owners but at this point you need to be making money elsewhere do you feel like you're um carrying a lot on your back at times i do yeah and i say it all the time they call me the superstar of rugby and i am done with it i'm done with just being that and just being the only superstar because it's not enough to just have me and everyone like it's so cool that when i played in england we got so many fans out to come see me play yeah but what happens when i'm not there Are we just going to go back down?

44:32It has to be a consistent thing. I feel like there's a lot of eyes on me when I play. And so even with this World Cup, I played fine. I played great. This was a type of rugby I don't play often. I usually play sevens. This was 15s. So I actually played really well. Had some great games. Had some great poaches in these games. But still we're getting comments. I don't know why she's overhyped. She's this. She's not even that good.

44:53Olivia Attwood:So you're getting over-critiqued because they're looking at you because you've got this big profile. And they hate, I think traditional rugby fans, don't like that I am the superstar because in 15s, I'm not the best player. I'm mostly a sevens player. So when I came to 15s, all the hype is around me. Everyone, of course, wants to post me and use me in their marketing. And then everyone, all the comments are, why is she here? Why did she get this? I'm sorry, the facts are I'm bringing people into your sport. And what do they want you to do? Say no. Yeah, classic. Like the camera would pan to me at the games and they'd be like, why is she on my screen again?

45:25I'm sorry, people are coming watching to see me. Yeah, literally. I'm doing you a favor.

45:29Olivia Attwood:With the teammates you've had in different teams, what's the reaction like with the other girls? Is there ever any like, you know, kind of resentment or is it very much a team mentality? I think when I went to the Bears in Bristol, so positive because I do think they're now very aware of the power I have. Yeah. And they know that if, you know, Alona comes, it will help not just us, but it'll help the sport. Well, you had a 3 ,000 % growth with the Bristol Bears. Yes, yeah. Like on their TikTok and their movements to stadiums and everything. I mean, that's insane. So I help you whenever I come to your games, like in our game.

46:06And it's not just me. There's other amazing players in England. The England women's team has been so great. I mean, there's so stars all over the park there. Ellie Kildon, Meg Jones, Hannah Botterman. So people are coming to see them. But we played that game in Sunderland and we set a record. And they knew they could put that game in a bigger stadium because of who was playing. Yeah. so um I all my teammates have been very cool I think sometimes they're hesitant at first to know who I'm gonna be even my USA teammates when I got back into 15s I didn't think they knew what type of person I would be because of the fame and the media but I like to think I'm a very good teammate and from the end of it they were definitely or after even a few weeks they understood oh she's just a good person who happens to know how social media works and also I make sure everybody has figured it out like when I was in Bristol Bears I wanted Sarah Byrne to post Sarah Byrne you know credits me to helping her profile rise.

46:57So it's definitely interesting because I'm the first one in rugby to do this. There have been men's players, but the men's players are never encouraged to be themselves. It's such an old boys club of you just should be on the field practicing. And so I've been breaking the mold a little bit of that.

47:12Olivia Attwood:But I always think it's interesting. And I know from the kind of person that you are from chatting to you and following you that you would be that person that would be talking to a girl in the changing room and be like, you should post on TikTok you should you know and you should like lift other people up but also it's not your job no but I also think it's interesting when you compare men and women when men come into power or influence no one really expects them to do anything with that power and influence apart from just like enjoy it whereas I feel like as soon as women like strive to some level everyone's ready to be like oh but yeah but does she deserve it or but what's she doing for other people it's just It's like that misogyny is just always there.

47:48Olivia Attwood:The fact is that society doesn't love seeing women being super powerful still. It's like a bittersweet. We want to pretend that they do, but they don't. And especially in a sport like rugby, it's a men's sport. So for these men's fans to have the biggest star be a woman's player, they don't like it. It's a hard pill. It's a hard pill for them to swallow. So it's been interesting, and I love that I'm the star of rugby. but it's so funny because the biggest men's rugby players in the world love me and think that and love what I'm doing for the game so I can talk to the biggest players on New Zealand like Artie Savio on New Zealand Jamie George on England they love what I do for the game yes you know so it's those are the guys who matter and they see what I'm valued so the guys living in their houses who are just so terrible because they're not dicks and they see the greater good they're like wow I think they're impressed by what I've done.

48:41And I do believe that I'm helping women's game, but I'm also helping rugby in general. A hundred percent.

48:47Olivia Attwood:Right, Elona, you've tackled Olympians, teammates, and trolls. Now it's time to tackle the truth. Okay. In this segment I've named Tackling the Truth. Do you see what I've done there? Is this segment just going to be for me or is it going to be everybody else will be tackling the truth? No, I think it's for you. Probably for me, huh? I don't think many of my other guests will be tackling. Right, right, right. Unless I have someone really rowdy, little party rat that tackles people in clubs. A clubber. A real clubber. So the rules are, you do swear, but you don't lie. Okay, gotcha. You've Googled yourself more times than you'd admit on air.

49:22I don't Google myself so much, but I am constantly watching my own videos. Nice. Like, I am constantly going to my own profile and be like, that is, she really did something in there with that one. Like, I love my stuff. What would be your worst date?

49:36Olivia Attwood:is, um, see, mine would be, like, bowling. Because of the shoes. Right. And walking back after you've done the ball. It's just so icky. Okay. Imagine they gutter-balled. Like, bleh. Yeah, that would be terrible. I don't know. It would be something, I think something like that. It would involve, like, no food or drink, and it was just us, like, doing physical labor. I don't know, fishing or something. No, maybe if he was really into fishing, maybe I would do it, but something like that. Sailing, not for me. No, not a water girl? If we're out on the ocean, I don't need to do that. You're going to be puking?

50:17Olivia Attwood:No, I'm scared of peep water. Okay, you have to lose one forever. Rugby, TikTok, or dating apps? Hopefully dating apps. Hopefully I would love to meet somebody just... And then you just delete. You know, out there. if you were offered a movie playing yourself who would you cast as your romantic co-star okay good because sometimes people ask me who would I cast as myself oh yeah and I'd have to be somebody to gain 100 pounds before they play me and like full muscle so I don't know who that would be a year of prep yeah a year of prep my romantic half I would have to look up their heights because so many of these guys are so short But you can do what Tom Holland and Zendaya do.

51:04Olivia Attwood:He stands on a box. Is it? For the kissing scenes. I love that little height difference. I think it's so hot. It's a little wooden box, and we never know. You don't see the feet. I like— That's a short-king, tall-girl combo. True. They're making it sexy. Okay, Tom Holland? No. Two boxes. Okay, yeah, I'm convinced. I like—who do I think is hot? The new Superman guy. What's his name? Oh, that's a good one. He looks big, like a big boy. But also if Henry Cavill is free, yeah. Henry Cavill. I think he used to play rugby as well. And he's a big dude. Yeah, so I would always say, I'm not, you know, pressed.

51:40Olivia Attwood:What was tougher, getting tackled at full speed in the Olympics or mastering ballroom twists on Dancing with the Stars? Physically, was rugby. Yeah. Mentally, ballroom was so hard. I don't know if you have any plans to do strictly. I have none. I've turned it down twice. There you go. Because I can't dance. It was so hard. And I've only taken a ballet class when I was in kindergarten. Learning a dance, I need to learn a whole new dance the next week. It's intense. It's intense. Did you find it fun at all? At times, yes. It was very fun. My partner was great. I loved him. We're still great friends.

52:14But it was a lot. For somebody who's used to just, in my sport, it's you do something, then react. And then, okay, this happens. Now I'll do this. Whereas in dance, it's this, this, this. And that's not how my brain works.

52:25Olivia Attwood:Yeah, it scares the living day. Do you know the other part of me is like, it's like the acting part of it. It's like the jazz hands and the, or being very sexy and stern. How did Pete like it? Oh, do you know Pete? Yeah, I met him in Cannes. Of course. And I was trying to be like, Pete, I'm on the ball. I was on Days with Stars. He's like, right, right. I'm like, all right, well. Of course. Pete Wicks was with me in Cannes. This seat, the binge drinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, well, he's the same. He struggled with the kind of like what we call the cringey aspect. because the jazz hands and the kind of floating it.

52:58Olivia Attwood:Sometimes it's like very, it's cheesy, isn't it? Oh, absolutely. But on the whole, I think he actually had a great experience. And he enjoyed it way more than he thought he would. Yes, I think that's what happens. Most people, I mean, he doesn't, I'd never even seen him smile before he did that. So that was like, yeah, that was revolutionary to see that happen. What's a secret flex you have, but you've never admitted publicly? This is weird, but you know how K-pop's getting big now? Yeah. I was into K-pop in 2011. Shut up. Yes. like Korean pop music Korean pop music and I have so much sort up knowledge I can tell you about all sorts of groups y 'all know about 21 because I was a blackjack that's the fandom so you were hardcore hardcore shit I would watch continuous YouTube videos I have so much knowledge and lore about K-pop K-pop okay so if you were going to be a mastermind you could K-pop it I have I know a lot I know a lot what Olympic sport do you think I would be good at you said running right yeah track I can see track yeah I can see a 400 meter for you oh nice do you not think I'm not I'm not sprinty enough for that though okay let's go with 800 shoot yeah 1200 1215 that sounds terrible to me I don't think I'm fast enough for 400 because that's a fucking sprint that's a wild time that's a sprint I mean that there that's just like not even human but I'd love to be able to do that who would play each ma sister in a Hollywood bar book about the sisters?

54:27Again, this would be tough. We would have to find three massive women. The genetics are strong in the family. Yeah, they need to start raising them now if that's the case. Who would we pick? The Haim sisters? Who's that? Haim, it's like a girl band. They're a band. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They, again, need to beef up extremely. They need to get in the gym. I guess that would be it because that's the only three. The Jonas Brothers maybe would be the next option. Maybe the closest. I hate to say it.

55:00Olivia Attwood:It says here you were approached by WWE. That's such a little lie. It's a clickbaity kind of. Yeah, it was clickbaity from them. I could see you doing that though. Of course, but that also is such a show, whereas I don't think I would like to do that because I'm like, I don't really understand why people watch it. I want to go and experience it and see what's happening. I'm fascinated by the whole thing because the whole thing the fact that it's actually fake I don't understand it and the fandom is they love it but also if you like money that's fucking that's all I'm ever thinking when I hear about anything I'm like that's fucking coinage if you're a big dog it's very interesting I don't really understand it I do want to experience it yeah if you were to do it do you have any idea off the top of your head what would your kind of fit be like your costume hopefully sexy yeah you know but I haven't thought too hard but definitely show a lot of skin I like showing skin good for you as you should like boom yeah yeah love that so before I let you leave the clubhouse today this is a a thing I've started I thought it would be a good idea to ask my guests who they would like to be added to the guest list so who would you like to see sat in your chair they can be kind of hypothetical it could be like someone I'm never gonna get It could be someone you'll make, someone in the industry.

56:20Olivia Attwood:Is there anyone you'd like to add to the guest list? I think that you should interview actually my agent, who, of course, she brought me in today. But she is my fighter. She goes in there and gets me deals. But also her perspective on things is very interesting. I describe it that I'm a big 5 '10 rugby player, and then she's my little 5 '2". And I'm like, I don't know, you can't talk to me. You gotta talk to my agent, you know. You hide behind her. How she's helped me to rise and then all sorts of perspectives in life and going through all the things she's gone through is really interesting. And I think that I have such a great team around me.

56:56So to learn from her. So definitely have her on.

56:58Olivia Attwood:That's a great answer. I really respect people that respect what their team brings to the table. Because I think that if you're in this industry in any capacity, like whether you're athlete, media, it takes a village. And I think a lot of people don't give their team their flowers. And I feel the same way about my team. So that's a great one. And anyone you would put on the blacklist with Ban for good? I'd say the American guys and one American guy that I used to see who just really thought he knew shit. He just thought that he understood things. And what did he understand? Just like he just was not better than me, but very like narcissistic in a way.

57:42And I would try to say this, but he would say, no, I think you did this as well. And so almost like the men who are thinking they're teaching you with every little thing they're saying, you don't want him on. I don't want him. I'm not going to say his name.

57:55Olivia Attwood:When we cut, can I get his name and I'll put it in the book, make sure he doesn't get access to the building? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's my job now to shit on him. So, yeah. So we'll have one agent on the list and one ex-boyfriend on the black list. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Elona, it's been an absolute joy. Thank you. I'm so glad after stalking you in Miami and Cannes, we got to have this conversation. And I hope it's not the last. No. Thanks, guys. Follow the podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Give us stars, reviews, share it with your friends. And I'll see you next time.

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