Joanne McNally: Wild Tour Stories, Dating Disasters & Why Success Is Her Biggest C*ckblock

7:34Joanne McNally:Open your third eye to speak to Mama Moon.

7:36Olivia Attwood:I have friends that have done it and I've seen the video. Would you do it? See, I'm like, we'll get on to this, but I'm a party girl. I'm open to, you know, like trying new things. Something about it scares me. Do you know what it is? Because they look so, when they've had it, they look so ill. They go grey. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I don't know if I'd want to self-inflict feeling poorly.

7:58Joanne McNally:Yeah, I know. I didn't know that. I didn't know they felt ill.

8:01Olivia Attwood:Yeah, and then when they vomit. I haven't really got into a bottle of drink. They're sitting and they're vomiting into a bucket and that's how you're like having this aura cleanse, so to speak. so he did it and then started calling women tarts no

8:13Joanne McNally:he's like I've spoken to Jesus he said you're all a bunch he's a bunch yeah you're all a load of slags so I was like what's going to change in your day to day because he was like I think I believe we're all connected now in the universe and he goes I think I'm going to stop calling women tarts I think it's a microaggression and I was like yeah you think nice one Ryan man that bothers me faux feminism that we were talking about earlier

8:35Olivia Attwood:we had a little we had a little rant, didn't we, before we started recording?

8:39Joanne McNally:It was about feminism. And the final thing that pisses me off is when they measure wine in bars. It's fucking pouring in.

8:47Olivia Attwood:Oh, no. When they measure everything,

8:49Joanne McNally:to be honest. It's like they're like, you know, they're right up to the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what's that?

8:54Olivia Attwood:And then you go to some countries, like the US are pretty free with their pouring.

8:57Joanne McNally:Not with wine. Very bad on the wine.

8:59Olivia Attwood:On the wine, on the spirits, they're pretty free pouring.

9:01Joanne McNally:Spirits, it's like drinking toilet duck. Like I, I'm a drinker. I'm a boozer. I love drinking. Same. But even I am like, can I get a little bit of mixer in that? Like, that's hardcore.

9:10Olivia Attwood:We, like, Grace, who's on my team, we've been to New York twice this year for different, well, different work things. And both times she's dealt with me in worse states than she's ever seen me. Yeah. Because I'm ordering my vodka sodas. But like you said, they come, they're half and half. Oh, my God. It's like that in a tumble glass, like vodka, like that. It's insane. And I'm like, why is it wasted? And she's like, because you're drinking straight vodka. It's insane.

9:28Joanne McNally:But their wine, frustratingly. I love that we're getting into the big issues. The wine.

9:35Olivia Attwood:we just jumped a world peace whatever we jumped over faux feminism like that the fucking wine pouring

9:42Joanne McNally:why can't women support women just pour the wine up to the top of the glass so when I go when I'm in the States and like there's like because I'm a big wine drinker sadly I wish I was a vodka soda girl I wouldn't have had like a gopher but the wine they literally it's like it's like Michelin you know and they're like boop it's like a shot yeah they're running out

10:02Olivia Attwood:Just fucking put it in the glass. I mean, those are your leave at the doors. And it segues me into perfectly, you know, these are the things I think we have in common. We're both Taurus. Oh, yeah. We're both Taurus. We're both tall gals. We're both, we're both, you're so tall. I was like, you're so tall. Yeah.

10:19Joanne McNally:Because I was saying to you that when I meet women out and about or listen to the podcast, one of the things that's most commonly said to me is, oh, you're taller than I thought you were going to be.

10:28Olivia Attwood:I always get that. And I just. Said it to me. Did it to you and you did it to me. and you love a party I love I love hearing your stories about I mean I think you're still a good laugh now by the sounds of it but you were wild when you were younger weren't you I was I was shame again vibes what sort of era of your life was like wild 20s 20s but I

10:44Joanne McNally:it took me a while to wind down you know what I mean I was still kind of going I was but my 20s were the 20s were like degenerate vibes no look listen I wasn't fucking shooting up in Hollywood but I mean I was I was definitely like out to enjoy myself you know I was a 68 hour party girl

11:04Olivia Attwood:No regrets I'm right there with you No regrets I feel like also I think that Women and men Who party properly When they're young You kind of Like I say It's not out of my system Because I still party now But I think A lot of people That catches up with them Later in life And they go Oh I haven't had any fun Yeah And then they start Doing it when they're like 50 And it just looks different

11:22Joanne McNally:I know

11:24Olivia Attwood:What's your favourite Kind of party now Are you like House party girl Bar club Holiday What's your vibe Do you know what's sad?

11:31Joanne McNally:I think my club days are...

11:33Olivia Attwood:Oh no, don't say it. I know. Do you think they're behind me? I think clubbing's coming back. I really do. For me, though? Yes, for you. I think there's a new era of clubs coming back to London that we can vibe in.

11:45Joanne McNally:I think the idea... So I've definitely... Which is... I never thought it would happen, but I like quiet pubs. Okay. I love house parties. Yeah. I love one-on-one. I'm a real, like... Can I speech in the disabled toilet for three hours, please? one on one and let's talk about everyone's abortions and like death of parents and all like that and just like really talk trauma dump

12:06Olivia Attwood:on each other yeah yeah yeah yeah

12:08Joanne McNally:add each other on the Instagram never speak again that's my vibe

12:12Olivia Attwood:I know you want somewhere where you can hear each other

12:15Joanne McNally:a hundred percent like I will like I've been to you know like I managed to wangle my way and I say wangle my way into the Oasis after party in Dublin no stop that's an unbelievable wangle it was a hardcore wangle Now, the reason I wangled my way in was one of their tour managers listens to my therapist goes to me, which is what I do. So it wasn't like Liam was like, Joanne, you know what I mean? I think they actually were like, no, she can't come in and there had to be a score. Anyway, I got in in the end with my Irish agent and there was all these famous people around and my friends should speak to him.

12:47Joanne McNally:I said, no. I spent the entire evening in the disabled toilet with my agent Christina talking about our boy issues. Who I see all the time. With Richard Ashcott mingling around. I've no interest in work in the room or anything like that I'm one on one with a woman or a gay man we're in a toilet we're going hard

13:04Olivia Attwood:What did we do at the Cut magazine party in Brooklyn sat in the toilet for three and a half hours until we came up there and everyone had gone

13:12Joanne McNally:It was finished I was the same at the Oasis party I was just Everyone was gone It was like Where is everyone? It was me and a family of five I don't know how I met them I don't know what they were doing there and I went up to the bar there was everyone was gone all the teams were gone No, Richard, they're all gone. And I was at this table doing shots with this family of five, three kids, two parents. And then I went to the bar and I said, can we get another round to the bar? I went, please go.

13:37Olivia Attwood:This finished an hour ago, bitch.

13:38Joanne McNally:Please, please go.

13:40Olivia Attwood:Oh my God, that is so funny. I will. When you're gigging, because you're on tour now, will you go out after a gig? How much can you include a night out with touring or no? Not anymore. No.

13:52Joanne McNally:Something, I think the tour, Like the job has changed me socially, I would say.

13:57Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

13:58Joanne McNally:I think I find on stage, because sometimes like women at the shows, we're like, come out after. And I'm like, I know, I seem like I'd be maybe hitting the pubs or that's maybe what they think I'd be doing. But I'm very insular after shows. I'm just in my green room.

14:11Olivia Attwood:Is it because you've kind of left everything out there? I think so, yeah. And you just need to kind of... Yeah.

14:16Joanne McNally:Even when I have, sometimes I have people back after shows and I find that a little stressful because they might know each other and you're like, John, this is Roisin. She enjoys abseiling. Roisin, this is John. And you end up pouring the drinks and you're trying to like host these rooms. Yeah. And actually you're like, I just want to kind of sit on my own and reflect. And like, I'll obviously self-flagellate. Why didn't that work? I should have said that. I forgot that bit. All that stuff. Post-show chats with myself.

14:40Olivia Attwood:Do you find it hard to come down after a show? Adrenaline-wise. Very hard. You're like up there.

14:45Joanne McNally:My problem was, I was, like I would wake up, like I feel like I'm quite, I'm a woman of extremities. Yeah. And I also, according to when I went, I had a therapist for a while, which I don't anymore, but she was like, you're one of those people who kind of finds it hard to self-regulate with what you have in your body. So I look for external things to self-regulate. So when I had this weed pen, I remember waking up one day and I was just covered in bread and fucking pop chip packets and all. And I was like, I don't think this is the answer either. Like I get the munchies so badly when I smoke weed.

15:17Joanne McNally:So I was like, I know, you know, I'll just go back to the liver cirrhosis.

15:22Olivia Attwood:That is so funny. So the tour is called Pinophile. Play on Pinot, the wine. How did this name come up? Well, play on paedophile. So it's play on paedophile with Pinot as in the wine. Yeah. Okay. And how did you get away with that? Did you have any problem getting that through sign-off?

15:41Joanne McNally:Well, I can't get on the one show, and I think that is... No, stop.

15:45Olivia Attwood:Do you think it's because of...

15:46Joanne McNally:Wait, stop. Do you think it's because of the name of the tour? Oh, I'm pretty sure. I think, yeah. I think there has been a lot of press has been press has been hard but I don't care so Pino file so I love I love Pino and I do think it is file just means you're mad about something okay and Pino's are kind of rearing that for everyone else and I'm like reclaiming the term file aggressively so do you not remember like when Brexit was happening there was like Euro files and all do you remember yeah yeah yeah and I was like that's gas and it was kind of in my head I thought it was fun and then I have there was a clip going around of you know Peloton you know the bike yeah yeah are you a Peloton girl

16:27Olivia Attwood:yeah

16:27Joanne McNally:do you love it yeah I do now I've kind of I get a bit lazy when I'm on the road I kind of lose a little bit of my self-care journey but I do like pedaling away but then one time I was pedaling away in the kitchen I was like do you mind you could just like leave the house and peddle in the park like everyone else I'm just watching people live their lives while I'm cycling frantically in a window but there was a video when file an American Peloton instructor you might have seen it it was very funny and she has the leaderboard in her vision she calls out the name she's like 100th ride for spinning for ginning or whatever it is and she saw some name and her eyes was like you could see she was like no we don't do that here and she was really angry about it and she was like head office she was like ban him ban him and of course I was like hooked I was like what was the name and then And I don't know how I found out.

17:20Joanne McNally:One, two, skip a few. It turned out his name, his Peloton name was Pedalphile. Pedalphile? Which is genius in my humble opinion. I have to agree. It's kind of great. Pedalphile, fucking hilarious. And I was talking about it somewhere and a woman messaged me saying, your Peloton name should be Pinophile. And I was like, that is so funny. And you're so right. But I said, that's too good for a Peloton name. That's a show name. So it was going to be Pino Psycho or Pinophile or Savigny on Slut. and I went with people.

17:48Olivia Attwood:Oh, no, wait, because that sauvignon slot is also brilliant. That'll be the next one. I fear that could be the next tour. Yeah, that's really good. And is it true that when you played the London Palladium, you had the record for the most wine purchased?

18:00Joanne McNally:Yeah, most booze, yeah. Most booze. Purchased. Most money on the bar that they'd had.

18:05Olivia Attwood:That's fucking insane. I know. What is it you think is about your audience that they love a drink? They're just fucking,

18:12Joanne McNally:they're just good time girls. Yeah. Like, I feel very connected to them, especially when I hear facts like that you're like these are my people these are my people they run the bar dry and we were laughing because we were like that's only my rider but the I think I think after that then I think there was the Palladium also like bearing in mind the Palladium also does like Jason on his technical or dream coat and stuff and I don't think the kids are big boosters

18:37Olivia Attwood:there's a vary of people playing do you know what I mean

18:39Joanne McNally:but I'm still proud of it and I'm proud of what they probably achieved but it was so funny because they're like you've broken a record and I was like oh my god is it sales? They're like, no, it's the bar. I was like, oh, I can't. But also, it's like, I think women, when women are out there, especially women, look, I don't really know my demographic. Like, I don't have the data, but they seem to me like when they're out, they're out. And it's a night out and they've probably got a babysitter. So, you know, when women get babysitters, it's like, you know, because they don't like... They're out for a good time.

19:12Joanne McNally:Oh, yeah. They're out with the defibrillator. Like, they're fucking good to go. and it's a boozy also I probably leaned into like my shows were like Wine Time or Paseco Express Pinophile and Sauvignon Slot will be the next one so it's fucking brilliant they're booze themed

19:28Olivia Attwood:and you tell stories about partying dating so it's like those women and men that come along they're going to be people that want to hear those kind of stories they can relate to it yeah

19:39Joanne McNally:but sometimes I do think though on the Pinophile tour they're calmer and I'm calmer. When I did Prosecco, we were, I was just, it was, it was a wilder, it was a looser vibe. Got you. There was like girls, you know, there was like girls vomiting in the galleries and all of them. I mean, that's kind of like, I'm kind of obsessed with that. And sometimes I wouldn't even notice, you know, because you wouldn't hear, there was a girl pulled out of the Apollo by her arms and legs. Yeah. I'd never seen that before.

20:11Olivia Attwood:So like a spider, just like.

20:13Joanne McNally:Yeah. a security man on each end of her no stop I think she dropped her handbag down now I should say like it sounds like I'm running a hen party in Las Vegas it's also like they're really good fun they're not like yeah yeah they're not like Cheltenham vibes

20:28Olivia Attwood:yeah but also it's like like you say some people are going to take it too far and whatever like you know good for them but the scale that you're on now and that you're tall and these venues you're playing out I mean this is like there's a whole range of people that are coming to watch you not just people getting pissed No, no, no.

20:44Joanne McNally:And it's definitely like shifted. When I first started touring in the UK, it was all, it was Irish girls. Yes. And then, and I'd always ask her who's in from where just to kind of get a sense of it. And then it started trickling over into British women. And I was like, oh God, look at this growth. And, but there was no men really. There wasn't a fucking testicle in the room. But on Pinophile, I know it's like, there's men coming in now. And I'm always like, what the fuck are you doing here? I'm like it's Geron McNally not Joe Rogan you read the name but a lot of them came in originally with girlfriends and stuff but sometimes now they're just coming like of their own free will which is bananas I think it's bananas

21:27Olivia Attwood:I think I can understand why you think that but I think it's testament to how good you are as well because the fact is and like I'll say this out loud I don't care even even the like un-misogynistic men they don't you have to it's a while for them to admit they find a woman funny yeah It's just a fucking fact. And even men in my life, who I don't think is misogynistic, when I go, oh, isn't she funny? It's a bit of, they don't, it takes them a minute to want to really laugh at women.

21:54Joanne McNally:Do you know what it is? What is it? It's power. So when you make someone laugh, they have to give themselves over to you and you're kind of in control of them in that moment.

22:05Olivia Attwood:That's so interesting. That's what it is.

22:07Joanne McNally:I watch them. I deal with them all the time. I see, and that's why when I see men in my shows laughing, I'm like you're fucking sound you're like you're a modern proper man

22:15Olivia Attwood:you've actually given into it to kind of like you've handed yourself over

22:18Joanne McNally:to the room to the vibe to whatever it is it's when I look out and like if I and I don't get these men at my shows now but like say because I'd still go down and do the clubs when I'm trying material and all that jazz and you'd have like that they're not they're not always there they don't really go to the clubs those kind of lads but they're there like this watching you and they want you to know that they're not that they think your shit and that you're not, that you're having no impact on them, they're not enjoying it. And there was a time when I started and I'd try and go into them probably and try and like win them over and now I'm like, fuck off I don't care.

22:55Olivia Attwood:Just sit there with a Mardi face then and have a miserable time.

22:57Joanne McNally:Have a shit life if you want. But then I see their wives sitting beside them kind of, I don't know, I was like, I know it all now, I understand it's so much better now. It's not, when men say women are funny, it's not, it's like you're to up your own masculinity hole to enjoy comedy coming out of a woman's mouth yeah

23:20Olivia Attwood:and that's the power thing when you say it it makes so much sense it's such an interesting when you actually think about it like that I saw a clip of you recently and forgive me I can't actually remember who you were speaking to but we can credit it and you talked about someone making a kind of backhanded compliment to you and they went oh you've really found a niche you've really found your niche which when you said it It struck a chord within me when people have made those kind of comments to me. And it's like when you think about what you're doing, this is not a niche. This is on a mainstream level.

23:51Olivia Attwood:These are like serious numbers. Like, you know, you're doing tour after tour. You've got your podcast. And like you say, it's a micro kind of put down. It's like when someone goes, how's your little business? Yeah. It's such a – they don't want to compliment you. So they kind of positioned it in a way to make you sound small. you found this group of like five people

24:10Joanne McNally:which is not bad you've really found your niche yeah I remember like that I was like oh my god it was a male comic of course who I don't know if he's really gigging that much anymore but he said it and like I say I could see it I could read it again I'm like so clear what's happening here you feel like you have to make a comment because like you say to acknowledge I am doing the numbers but you don't want to really give it to me so what you're saying is he's like well I'm like a real comedian but you found a little niche that like good for you yeah yeah yeah found a little niche it's like that's you know it's just lads like that like not all men I love men no but there are you know you come across that you do you just do you do yeah

24:52Olivia Attwood:yeah what is the support like in comedy like you know and you're kind of like you are a breakout star and you know you were in PR you were doing other things before you got into comedy what is the support like from other comics been like male versus female

25:05Joanne McNally:um well Well, I'm in it now. I'm very bad with dates. I think I'm coming up to 10 years now.

25:11Olivia Attwood:Yeah, I was reading that because you were like in your mid-30s. Yeah, I was a late starter. And you were working as a publicist? Yeah. And then someone gave you a little break, didn't they, to support them on a... Did you know you were funny?

25:23Joanne McNally:No, well, I certainly wasn't going down the stand-up route, but I was definitely like the...

25:29Olivia Attwood:The one that made your mates laugh. I was the class clown. My friends are very funny.

25:32Joanne McNally:Like, they're really funny. And I think we all rubbed off on each other. and I definitely had a little show pony in me growing up. I liked like performing. Yeah. I was like, I really wanted to play Annie.

25:42Olivia Attwood:Okay.

25:43Joanne McNally:That was my big thing. The sun will come out tomorrow. Still, I mean, it's still good.

25:46Olivia Attwood:It's still good.

25:47Joanne McNally:Giant woman, I'm taking a red wig.

25:49Olivia Attwood:Do you want to borrow this?

25:52Joanne McNally:I could just curl that. Yeah. Put a tint in it.

25:57Olivia Attwood:It's already done.

25:57Joanne McNally:Are you joking? My fucking carrot top. A little red dress and all, can you imagine? Freckles. The woman has lost her mind. I'd be bigger than Dodie Warbucks. But do you know, when you think back, and I don't think back that much, I'm not particularly sentimental, but it was just this really strange, very serendipitous time in my life where I met someone who was in, I was kind of dating this comedian and I started kind of doing a little bit of theatre, a little bit of writing, and I thought I would try some acting. And then he was like, I think you could do, I think you could give stand-up a crack.

26:35Joanne McNally:and I took originally when this conversation started I was like like who I was it was nowhere I hadn't even been to a gig like it just wasn't on my radar and I was kind of brave I thought I might be brave enough to try a bit of acting and I'd got a column in a magazine I knew I was kind of getting a bit of money for writing now and I was like oh this could be something I could actually make a living out of but the stand up was like a wild pivot but then when I started doing it I was like oh I think I could I think I could do this And then once I got even a sniff that I was, that I could do it.

27:10Joanne McNally:Yeah. I just went foot to the gas and just hammered it then. You got the bug and you're like, I can do this. And I had no kids. Me and him broke up. So I had like nothing to live for. Monster Energy. Everybody knows White Monster Zero Ultra. That's the OG. It kicked off this whole zero sugar energy drink thing. But Ultra is a whole line on now. You've got Strawberry Dreams, Blue Hawaiian, Sunrise, and Vice Guava. And they all bring the monster energy punch. So if you've been living in the white can, branch out. Ultra's got a flavor for every vibe. And every single one is zero sugar. Tap the banner to learn more.

27:52Joanne McNally:You were going to say nothing to lose. Nothing to lose, nothing to live for. It's just a great space.

27:57Olivia Attwood:I know.

27:57Joanne McNally:It's a really good space mentally. It's a great time for a cry change. On stage in a Radwick. And so then I moved to the UK. I was living in Dublin at the time, moved to London, I got signed. And so I had the freedom to... To just sort of pivot and do something new. You know, and I think I was really lucky in that way because some people, if you have a family and stuff or you're in a serious relationship, you're not free to just disappear for weeks on end and go off and do gigs. And I was. So I just really made the most of it.

28:31Olivia Attwood:you come from a background in PR do you like kind of do you have a PR head on sometimes and you're like always Duran this is a PR nightmare what are you doing always

28:40Joanne McNally:I think I have to say I think it is one of the best backgrounds I could possibly have had going into comedy because it's so there's so much of its market like posters videos branding positioning like I know what media to do I know what media not to do like I did a master's in PR like about 12, 13 years ago so it's there

29:04Olivia Attwood:but it's in your brain it's in me it's in my DNA

29:07Joanne McNally:and then I worked in music PR and then I worked in brand PR and yeah because I

29:13Olivia Attwood:it just never leaves you because you can visualize it's just I just know I can see I know that it's a really good like building block for like them building you are a brand now and you have that material inside you yeah

29:24Joanne McNally:yeah and it's I'm so again it's like I got so jammy because when I was doing PR obviously I never thought I was going to end up as a Stano comic but it was it was the perfect background to have going into this job weirdly

29:39Olivia Attwood:I've always got asked comedians this question and I think it's it's kind of a boring question because I don't know how I've always said how any of us I'm sorry I'm supposed to admit that I think of myself as comedians how anyone is meant to answer it but does cancel culture scare you around comedy how do when you're looking at jokes because I just feel like it's so easy to just set up one thing and everyone just loses their fucking shit but comedy's meant to be, it's meant to push an envelope and it's meant to be, you know, and I have that dark sense of humour and I think you do as well it's like we want to make light of dark things because I think it makes life nicer and lighter but when you're writing do you, because I'm even this is my comedy, my Instagram story sometimes I look at something and go, that is really funny what I've said there but I can just imagine some dickhead taking it out of context like I should I shouldn't I and it's fucking exhausting I know it is

30:33Joanne McNally:I self censor that's why I hate doing live TV I hate it because but is there any different

30:40Olivia Attwood:to doing a live gig yeah

30:41Joanne McNally:I love dark stuff as well yeah and I'm not like a particularly woke comic no that's not the angle I've always kept myself out of all my angle has always been like have no like if you keep your morals low from the start of your career. No one will expect anything. Do you know? Just keep your... Just fucking shut up. And then...

31:05Olivia Attwood:Don't get on the pedestal. Exactly.

31:07Joanne McNally:Because if you raise your head above the pulpit for one thing, then you position yourself as like a good person and then you can't be slagging someone else in your stand. It doesn't equate. Do you know what I mean? Listen, I've always been a piece of shit. Please don't... You know I'm a piece of shit. I've been a piece of shit since I started. I've never tried to pretend I'm not. Yeah. So like me and Vogue would talk about this a lot because she would say, oh, well, you could get away with it I couldn't I was like yeah because we have different careers you've positioned yourself differently exactly and so that's always been but I also think I like to maybe push it but I never I never go over the line now I mean there's some content that has been taken down yeah

31:43Olivia Attwood:you know yeah of course there was a time

31:45Joanne McNally:I was doing accents and all like back when I started the good old days the good old days yeah but like you know I move with the times at the time that was it was genuinely And everyone was doing it. Everyone was doing it. Yeah. But yeah, but I move with the times. I have an understanding of what's right, what's not. But like the paenophile show, because obviously we're going to try and get it on a platform somewhere. Of course. And I am like, hmm. Hmm. I'd say when that goes on a platform now.

32:14Olivia Attwood:There's some parts of it that they'll probably want to take out.

32:16Joanne McNally:Well, they can't take. I'll just get shit for it. But like in the room, it's different. On stage, it's different. Is that what you mean?

32:22Olivia Attwood:it's a live TV versus like a live gig it lands differently totally in a live TV

32:28Joanne McNally:you're sitting there with the presenter like in your high heels and all it's a different vibe yeah in a room you can you can push it because it's stand up and I do think I have played that relatively well like I say I've never like I have never been a big kind of activist in that way like privately I mean I'm obviously a very good person but I keep out of all that so then you're free to fuck around with the dark stuff in your stand-up.

32:54Olivia Attwood:Yeah. You just mentioned Vogue there. Yes. And she was on I'm a Slept. You guys, obviously you have your podcast together. My therapist ghosted me. Are you friends back from Ireland? From Ireland, yeah.

33:04Joanne McNally:So we were, I know Vogue years. So we're both from Dublin. She's from the, we're from the opposite sides of Dublin. Got you. And we had a mutual gang of friends in the city. Do you know, like you'd kind of like, in town. You've got a kind of like

33:17Olivia Attwood:a crossover.

33:18Joanne McNally:We'd shared a gang of friends. but we were like in different mini gangs within the large gang so I knew her but I was very intimidated by her because she was this Amazonian like DJ model type like kind of famous just for like existing really yeah and I was like oh my god it's a fuck Williams and it's a fuck so then when I moved to the UK I knew nobody like no one at all and lockdown it just happened and it was like and then they were saying comedy was never coming back and we were all going

33:49Olivia Attwood:and you're like great I've just reangled my whole life to do this

33:52Joanne McNally:they're like have you got anything else in the pipeline I was like nope my pipeline is clean I only have stand up I put all the eggs into the stand up basket and then there people were saying that we'd never be at gigs and we'd be all in zorbs like remember they were like and I was like oh my god we're going to be in zorbs in the Apollo no one can anyway all that chaos and Vogue very soundly she was like look come down and I was going back and forth a lot and I hadn't a pot to piss in because I quit my job and I wasn't getting paid for stand up at the time you're getting like 20 quid for a gig kind of thing and she invited me to live with her for a while in their basement which I know it sounds like I was like Fritzl vibes down there but it's obviously she's doing okay it was a nice it's a nice basement but it is a basement and I lived there for a while and we just became really close and then the podcast started was she has a fake tan business by Vogue and she asked me to do a video it's a great tan I'm not just saying this I've used it it's a great tan I think it's the best yeah it's really good it's really good and even I can use it and I'm like streak Sally like there's no

34:55Olivia Attwood:it can go wrong for you yeah

34:57Joanne McNally:because folks like if you're putting on tan like you don't need to tag us or anything you don't need to tag us don't be damaging my business now yeah yeah yeah you haven't done your ankles you're on your fucking hands and all just leave it she asked me to put the tan on her for this video and then we did that and then the video kind of did okay and she was like maybe we should do something together and then the podcast was actually her idea but I just coincidentally been goaded by my therapist but that's so that's how it started so we became very close very quickly yeah

35:28Olivia Attwood:but we were a bit like

35:29Joanne McNally:hello before that

35:31Olivia Attwood:you were kind of circling each other like lions in the prairie a little bit like

35:33Joanne McNally:it's always that way I sometimes find with women you meet who you're a little like intimidated by or you're both kind of sizing each other up a little bit that they're the ones you end up actually becoming really good friends with

35:44Olivia Attwood:so true yeah she seems like she's such a laugh She's daddy I think she should have been in the jungle longer I know We didn't really get to see like enough

35:53Joanne McNally:I agree because when she was going in I was like she could win this you know Yeah I said the same I said the same

36:00Olivia Attwood:because she's down to earth she gets stuck in she's not really scared or anything it doesn't seem

36:03Joanne McNally:And she's hardcore and she's super fit and she like she is competitive she's sound she has all like tick tick tick Yeah So I was surprised because I was like what?

36:16Olivia Attwood:You know I can say this is someone that's like, I've been on dating shows, reality shows, I'm ITV to my core, but it's harder for women. It's hard to win the audience sober. It just fucking is. And I'm not even, I hate to get on that soapbox, but women get a harder time on those shows than men. I totally agree. Across the board, Love Island, you know, The Jungle, all of them. Like, it's just a bit harder to get, especially I think if you're good looking and you've got an opinion, people are just, they just give you a harder time.

36:43Joanne McNally:Yeah, I agree.

36:44Olivia Attwood:Speaking of being good looking and opinionated. How is the dating life now? Mine? Yeah, yours.

36:51Joanne McNally:Oh, it's fucking bin bag vibes. Yeah, it's very bad.

36:55Olivia Attwood:Are you single right now? Yeah. Dating?

36:59Joanne McNally:No.

36:59Olivia Attwood:No, so just basically...

37:01Joanne McNally:I'm on a sabbatical. Yeah, it was time to take a hard look at myself.

37:05Olivia Attwood:As in just like taking a break from...

37:07Joanne McNally:Well, so I always have... There's always someone like... One of my mates, Anya. She's like, Joanne, is there any man you meet that you don't think you have a vibe with? I was like, I think there was a bit of a vibe. I think there was a bit of a vibe. And I was like, but there was a vibe. She's like, you think you vibe with every man you meet? Which, I mean, makes me sound like a megalomaniac. There's usually always a little something on the go, a little crush, a little chat. Me and my friends are caught at the bench.

37:32Olivia Attwood:The bench. There's always a couple on the bench. Something, yeah. You've got someone to text a little bit if you get bored on a Saturday.

37:37Joanne McNally:Or there's someone kind of sniffing around or I'm sniffing around. There's always a little something, something. This is the first time since I was five years of age. to say there's been nothing nothing

37:45Olivia Attwood:Is that unsettling?

37:46Joanne McNally:I think I've made some no shade to anyone that I've been romantically involved with but some strange decisions Yeah That's a nice

37:56Olivia Attwood:that's a good way of putting it

37:57Joanne McNally:Yeah Some strange decisions There's been strange decisions made and and flags have been you know Yeah heavily waved and heavily ignored Yeah and I feel like maybe it's time Also then, work for me, the Pinafile Tour kicked off. And it has been...

38:16Olivia Attwood:Every time you say that name, I just...

38:20Joanne McNally:It's just someone delivering it with such earnestness. I'm like...

38:22Olivia Attwood:Yeah, the Pinafile Tour.

38:26Joanne McNally:And that was genuinely like chaos. Like, not chaos, sorry. It's been like wall to wall. It takes over your life, yeah. And that's brilliant. And I love working and I never complain about it because I love my job and it's an honour and a privilege and all that stuff. Yeah. But trying to maintain or like... I just kind of, like, checked out of it. And then the longer you check out, it just leaves interest. I think I'd have to someone resuscitate me from the way I'd stay in at this point. I just could not care less. I made a date, I booked a date with a lad in the end of October for the 9th of December.

39:00Olivia Attwood:Shut up.

39:01Joanne McNally:Yeah. He could be married by then. I bailed on the day.

39:05Olivia Attwood:And did he stay committed to that date?

39:07Joanne McNally:The thing was, as I've said to absolutely everybody I've told about this, I think it's like doing a shift. I'm like, I'll put an hour in on Raya, an hour in on Hinge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Between six and eight and a Sunday. Roll up your sleeves. You log in. Yeah, log in. Do your two hour shift. You're like, come on then. Yeah.

39:23Olivia Attwood:What would be your preferred app? Which app do you, have you had more success on one app?

39:27Joanne McNally:More success on Hinge, I would say. I like normal people.

39:30Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

39:31Joanne McNally:I find Raya very linen shirts floating on a yacht vibes and they're not my vibe and I'm certainly not their vibe.

39:38Olivia Attwood:What is your type? Do you have a type? Like, when people ask me this, I'm like, God, have you got my exes in a room? It's like the in-betweeners. Oh, yeah. There's not one correlating feature. That's such a good way of looking at it. Same. Like, physically. But actually, if I... The therapist that I'm... In-betweeners. The therapist that I'm in and out with when I've got the capacity to go there, I guess they all had, like, something connecting in their personalities, maybe.

40:04Joanne McNally:Yeah.

40:04Olivia Attwood:But physically, they were all different.

40:07Joanne McNally:Well, I have an opinion on this also. tell me women I think men are well this isn't like rocket science we know this men are way more visibly driven women are way more drawn to character personality sense of humour all that stuff resources all that stuff and they come in such different packages whereas I've known men who've gone out with women they're like carbon copies of each other because they have a type physically they have a type and I think it's so rare you see a man with a woman less attractive than him whatever way you want to gauge it

40:37Olivia Attwood:so fucking true

40:38Joanne McNally:I think men wear women like watches they're like look what I've got her look what I pulled look at her she's hot look at her whereas women when we fall for someone they become like the most beautiful person in the world you could take a bald man fall in love with him he's like fucking Rapunzel to you because we're so drawn to personality so I'm the same if you put my exes in a room a boardroom that's fucking loads of them we need an extension they're in the garden yeah there's more in the garden I like that they're all different so different but I tend to I'm quite suggestible so if a lad comes in hard on me I sometimes just get hoodwinked into things

41:21Olivia Attwood:that is God yeah I'm very similar I'm like okay

41:23Joanne McNally:you seem really sure about this I'll just go I'm gonna go along with it and I could fall for pretty much like I'm a like three rides in I'm like would you love me if I was a worm like I fall fast yeah I really do yeah it's a problem and he's like hello I'd be like who's this

41:39Olivia Attwood:I realised that I had this pattern as well that for years that I was just dating people that liked me I didn't even work out if I liked them I was like if you love me that feels really nice to be loved and wanted so I'm just going to lean into that and I'm not actually examining if I even like you

41:53Joanne McNally:100 billion percent

41:59Olivia Attwood:This episode is brought to you by ITV right let's be honest I love a bit of TV anyone shocked? Don't think so. But one thing's for sure, TV is better when it makes you feel part of something. And that is so ITV. I love that feeling when you're watching TV and suddenly connected to millions of people who are all tuned in at the same time. And that's exactly what ITV does. Take Love Island. Even now, I could be watching it on my own, completely sucked into the drama. And the next thing you know, I'm on the group chat arguing with my friends about who's the strongest couple or who will get dumped.

42:33Olivia Attwood:It's like you're all in the villa together. Even if you're watching from different places, it's addictive. And then there's Bad Boyfriends, obviously. I'm all over that, literally. It's one of those shows that feels real relatable. Everyone can see a bit of their own relationship drama in the stories we're telling. And that's what makes you feel like you're not alone. Watching someone go through something you've been through while you're at home, it hits home in the best way. And as you can imagine, being with Brad, there's always football on in our house. My favourite has had to be ITV's coverage of the Women's Euros.

43:04Olivia Attwood:what an amazing win that was one of those moments where the whole country is celebrating together and that's the kind of feeling itv gives you you're part of something bigger that's the thing with itv it's got so many shows you can actually connect with whether you want to be part of a national moment keep up with the tv memes in your group chat or just join a catch-up convert work there's no place like itv

43:31Olivia Attwood:this question is what as well also pisses me off i'm going to ask you because when people ask me this question about my husband they go well you know since you've become more successful how's how's bradley feel i'm like you know when brad not that he's not i mean i'm very proud of him what he's doing now but when he was flying at football and he was like the big cheese and you know he couldn't even move an inch without someone taking a photo of him no one ever went live how does it feel like you do you know what i mean but everyone's always checking in on brad We know why. But being successful and doing what you do, has that impacted the climate of dating for you?

44:03Olivia Attwood:It's changed everything. Yeah. It's the biggest cock block. Oh, really? So you've actually felt the difference.

44:09Joanne McNally:And again, I'm big into kind of the cave hun in all of us and how driven we are by those kind of like primal, well, drivers really.

44:20Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

44:20Joanne McNally:And there's some stuff you just, it's very hard to evolve out of. and I think the dynamic between, it's a very hetero take on things with like straight man, straight woman. The tradition has always been the men, I don't know if it's their wiring, I don't know if it's society, I don't know if it's culturally born. They want to be in charge and I think there's only a certain type of man who, like I know, I've had it, I've had men break up with me because they actually have said, quote unquote, you're making me feel bad about my career. Yeah. They said it. I was like, I can't believe you actually just said it.

44:55Joanne McNally:I was like, that's an inside thought. Tell me you've met someone else. Probably had met someone else as well. A billion percent. I've also been in relationships with lads where I think they're drawn to the job at the start. And then, but then the reality of it, they're like, oh, I don't like this anymore now because it makes me feel insecure or uncomfortable in some ways. Like I was doing shows in a town in Ireland and I was doing like the Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So I was there for the weekend and we were walking around and there was women because it was like, it wasn't a huge town. There was women waving.

45:31Joanne McNally:They're like, oh, do you want to use it? Because I was walking around doing shows. And he was like, put your head down, look at the ground. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. He's like, you're looking for attention off these women. I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, put your hat on. This shit. Oh. Yeah. So it's a real thing.

45:48Olivia Attwood:So it's a fragile fucking ego. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a, yeah, no, it's a real thing yeah

45:54Joanne McNally:so I'm not at all surprised that people would ask no I think it's I think that's fairly common and I bet I don't know him I don't know Bradley I don't know your husband at all but I would hope that he doesn't struggle with it but also I wouldn't be surprised if he I think men want to dominate a lot of the time

46:09Olivia Attwood:there's there's like I think we have honest conversations about this I think I think he's honest with me to a degree but the way if he has ever has feelings and he's actually we had a really sweet conversation last night Like, you know, he was flying in football, like flying, and then he had these terrible injuries. And at this same time is when things really took off for me. So on paper, it could be the fucking recipe for things to go to part. He's now hobbling around. His dreams are basically like fucking disappearing while everything I've ever dreamt for is coming true. So on paper, you've got the perfect recipe for this relationship to fall apart.

46:46Olivia Attwood:But he said to me, it was really weird. I did this thing, like, you know, when he's really tired, I'm like, would you love me if I'm worm thing? This thing came up on Instagram going, 10 questions to ask your husband or your boyfriend. I'm like, answer these questions. And he's like, fucking hell. And it was like, what was the, one of the questions, they were actually good questions to be fair. One of the questions was like, what was something that you get from this relationship that you never thought would be valuable? Oh. I know, I know. And he said, he was really quiet for a minute. And he said, around the time of like being injured, it was inspiration.

47:18Olivia Attwood:And I was like, oh my God. I was like, we're not like soppy, soppy. But he was like, watching you go so hell for leather for your dreams, it gave me that kick up the butt of like, it's not over for me. Like, I'm still going to. So he was like, you, like setting these goals and smashing them inspired me to be like, no, there is, there's more to do. There's more to get out of life. I'm not going to take my foot off the gas. So I think I just got really, I think it's a bit of a lottery because also bear in mind when we started dating like 10 odd years ago before Love Island, I wasn't thinking about these things.

47:47Olivia Attwood:I didn't know how our lives were going to evolve. And he's very calm. Like, you know, we go out for dinner. You know what it's like? I've been on reality TV. You know, it's all about girls waving at you. Girls will just come and pull up on our table. Yeah. And be like, Lynn, what are you doing here? And I'm like, same as you, bitch, eating. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, what are you fucking doing here? I'm with a fucking Ivy. I've come to get some bread and fucking wine. But yes, and he's really, he like, you know, if that got under his skin, then we wouldn't be able to survive. He's a good man.

48:17Olivia Attwood:Very chill.

48:17Joanne McNally:But that sound.

48:18Olivia Attwood:Just chill.

48:19Joanne McNally:He's well able and I think that is such good character in him. The ego is very stable. And I think you are lucky.

48:26Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

48:26Joanne McNally:And I think it is a roll of the dice. But also I think I, in those situations, was unlucky and I think I was, I should, when I saw that behaviour, I should have bailed straight away. You should have nipped it, yeah. I should have just bailed. Yeah. And I didn't. And then it got like progressively worse and then I was like, oh my God, I didn't know how to get out of it all that so I don't that's why I'm on this sabbatical because I was like you need to just chill reassess

48:57Olivia Attwood:and also I think men do that on micro levels to women in Malaysia you see it all the time outside of the jobs that we have you know like they want to make their partner small in the room like to say before all this I'm an absolute show when I've had a drink I'm on the table dancing I'm a bit of a he'd be like laughing you know but then I've had boyfriends that are like, that would cause a whole row. Why are you doing that? Everyone's looking at you. Whereas Brad's like, no, get yours. You're like a dickhead, but that's on you. Yeah. He sounds great. He's good fun. He's good fun. What's your biggest ick?

49:29Olivia Attwood:What's a big for the man? If you do match with someone, Raya, and they turn up and you're like, oh. I don't like when men ask me a lot about comedy. like it just doesn't kind of grill you on the job yeah yeah

49:49Joanne McNally:I think it's it's all very complicated I want to be admired but not like too much do you know they're like have you ever met Jimmy Carr and you're like I don't know yeah that's correct yeah or when they let me pay even though sometimes I force it and then I get annoyed that they let me make it make sense I don't know

50:09Olivia Attwood:they shouldn't I'm like I'll get this

50:10Joanne McNally:and they're like are you sure and I'm like I was just being polite I'm banging my card down I'm like well well well never seeing you again no I can't let you but I also it's like I'm very aware now that I come with my own problems so like it's if you're going to sit down and point the finger at everyone else you know you're never going to get very far I'm aware I'm like there's a lot of hypocrisy going on internally here I'm like it annoyed you it annoyed you that he let you pay for the dinner but you insisted on paying for the dinner

50:41Olivia Attwood:It's very like, What are you doing?

50:43Joanne McNally:Yeah, self-aware is good. Like what's he supposed to do? Yeah. Like cut the cord on the card machine? Like it's already going through. And so, but then, it makes me think less of them. Like, I think, this is my dream, man. I think, I would like a very successful chef.

51:03Olivia Attwood:Ooh.

51:04Joanne McNally:We both work nights. Yeah. He's busy doing his restaurant thing.

51:08Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

51:09Joanne McNally:Boiling and whatever they do. So he's not like coming to shows. Like I've gone out with people who are like, I want to come to the shows and all. I'm like, that's embarrassing.

51:17Olivia Attwood:It's like every evening it's like, yeah.

51:19Joanne McNally:You're coming to keep an eye on me or something. Like bring my boyfriend to work.

51:23Olivia Attwood:Yeah.

51:24Joanne McNally:Scarlet. So I want someone who's like, admires me, thinks I'm a nice person. Proud of you, but has their own thing. But has their own life. Shows are good. But not in a mean way. Like not in the way that I never see them.

51:37Olivia Attwood:No, just like you say, it's not like they finish work at five and then like, okay, I'm going to follow you around to all your gigs. Yeah, because it is hard

51:43Joanne McNally:when you work nights and your partner works days. It is hard. And I'm away a lot, like touring and stuff. It is difficult. Like I can understand why not everyone would be up for that.

51:53Olivia Attwood:Could you ever date a comedian?

51:55Joanne McNally:Oh yeah, they're the best.

51:56Olivia Attwood:Yeah. Are they actually? They are. Because I didn't know if it's like two comedians in a relationship would be... Well, it's Chernobyl level toxic,

52:03Joanne McNally:I can tell you. But it's grey crack. Yeah. It's nuclear.

52:09Olivia Attwood:And have you dated comedians? Yes. And it's good, but it's like, toxic.

52:14Joanne McNally:It's the best of times and the worst of times. Yeah. Because you're about, like, there's, you know, feelings are kind of weird, but, like, they're so funny. And I am all about...

52:25Olivia Attwood:The laugh.

52:26Joanne McNally:Yeah, I get laughed into bed.

52:28Olivia Attwood:Yeah, oh, God, yeah. Irish men or non-Irish men? Irish men. Really? So they still have the edge for you?

52:35Joanne McNally:Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, we're all very tribal, really, aren't we? like it's like when you go away also we have the Irish we just don't understand each other and there's a similar sense of humor if you hear an Irish accent you're like yeah but I also do like a bit of strange what's strange like a bit like weird the New York like if you're in New York the accent and all there's something fun about but then you know the way when you go away and you're on holidays and then you meet like another English couple or whatever you're very drawn to each other

53:01Olivia Attwood:it's like a you already thought you have a connection yeah you have a cultural

53:05Joanne McNally:sameness and because I don't live in Ireland anymore when I meet Irish people, you're more drawn, you're extra drawn to each other.

53:10Olivia Attwood:You feel like a bit more, it's like a homely feeling.

53:13Joanne McNally:Yeah, there's just a mutual understanding of stuff when you're from the same country.

53:17Olivia Attwood:And do you, like, I think Irish people, they genuinely have a good sense of humour. We do. I would say it's Irish and Scots.

53:22Joanne McNally:We do. Like, I know when I started, like, comedy, I knew when I went out, being a woman, they were like, eh eh, but having an Irish accent, they're like, oh. So they cancelled each other out because I think Ireland has a good quality of comedian, so I was kind of enjoying the legacy that was already there from other Irish comics. Got you. I don't think people, it also... It helps you break the door down a little bit. Comedy is so, it's very, it's so interesting. I love it so much, but there are certain accents that just work better. Yeah. And also, I could be reading too much into it, I think Irish people, like the, and the Irish and Brits have a, you know, a complicated history, but we were almost seen as the underdog for a very long time.

54:04Joanne McNally:So they're not threatened by you when you come out on stage because they're like, oh, an Irish clown. Let's go. Do you know what I mean? It's true. There's truth to it.

54:11Olivia Attwood:Yeah, I know what you mean. We kind of, we like the accent. We like hearing it.

54:16Joanne McNally:Exactly, yeah. Yeah.

54:19Olivia Attwood:You recently said on Jamie Lang's podcast, actually, I heard this, he clipped it up. And do you know what? It resonated with me so much. And you spoke about, he said, what's something you're scared you might regret? And you said, forgetting to have a kid, basically. Yeah. And it just hit a note. It's quite a big thread for my life at the minute. and it's quite a recurring topic, especially because we got married. So when you get married, then everyone's just like fucking hammering the life out of you about kids. And I know that it's not right now, but I also don't know. But I know I want one, but I don't know when.

54:54Olivia Attwood:And I'm like you, I'm addicted to my job. I don't want to give up this freedom yet.

54:58Joanne McNally:But we're in a different situation because you're 33. So when I was your age, I was only starting comedy at your age. whereas you're so far along in your career now

55:08Olivia Attwood:what you've done though is fucking mental

55:09Joanne McNally:but when you're so far along in your career like you will you will you've established yourself already you could easily if you wanted to have a kid and you'd be back in your job I guess it's like

55:21Olivia Attwood:my own internal dialogue that thinks I couldn't

55:24Joanne McNally:yeah but also you're always younger than you think you are you are and like so because I'm the very annoying part of being a woman is there is you know fertility it's a thing it's not there forever and you have to make decisions and I am at that it's so annoying because I hate it kind of because it's you know it's tricky especially as a single person that you're like oh this is like it feels like the window I'm looking at this window this baby window just like closing and closing I'm like okay are you doing it? are you not going to do it? you're going to do it on your own if you're going to do it so you need to make decisions I'm not going to get knocked up

56:05Olivia Attwood:by accident yeah it's gonna be on purpose it's intentional

56:07Joanne McNally:it's probably gonna be like donor IVF test all that shit and like that's quite the journey to go on on your own would you do it

56:15Olivia Attwood:on your own?

56:16Joanne McNally:I'd have to I'd have to I've just told you my romantic issues

56:21Olivia Attwood:does that intimidate you the idea of doing it alone? I feel like

56:27Joanne McNally:when I look now like so when I was younger like I have friends who were married to lads that we like I felt like like a very old school group of friends and schoolgirls that were all still very close. And they're married to lads that they were going out with when they were like 15. And I know, I don't have that in me. I never had it in me and I've always known I don't have it in me. And I don't think my life was ever going to run any other way than what it has run when it comes to, I was never going to be married in my 20s. I don't think I was ever going to be married in my 30s. I think there's, I think I don't particularly enjoy the routine of it or being with someone that long.

57:01Joanne McNally:I think I'm more a micro-dosing man person. you know, share vibes. Microtizing. Microtizing. So the idea of doing it on my own, because I have another friend who did it on her own and she spent a while grieving the traditional life she thought she was going to have when she accepted that that wasn't going to be her journey. Whereas I, there's something in me knows, oh, it was always going to be like this. Yeah. Or certainly I'm not fazed by it. Because you're not mourning a life that you think you should have had. There's no man in my life that I know that I'd want to have a baby with. It's not like I'm pining after some lad and I'm like oh god I wish I had his baby there's nobody like that so I'm like you're just I'm glad you don't yeah 100 % like when I think like because it's been I've been in relationships where I was like oh my god I'd love to have his baby like when I'm in I'm in and like there's something very like intoxicating when you're in love with someone and all your hormones kick in and you're like oh my god imagine me the baby like I've had all those conversations with lads and now I look back and I'm like oh my god touch wood because I watch people co-parent and it does not look like the crack at all.

58:05Joanne McNally:At all. And so I'm very lucky that that didn't happen. So I think as well I'm a very independent person. Yeah. And yeah, I could easily see myself doing it on my own. I don't think it would be easy to do it. No, of course. But I feel like

58:19Olivia Attwood:No, you could do it.

58:21Joanne McNally:That's what will happen. If it happens, that's what it will be.

58:23Olivia Attwood:I think it's also interesting as well that you talk about your friends from school that married the guy they met at school, had a baby so young. I think what I'm noticing this thing, as I step back and I watch friends of mine having babies and friends who have had babies years ago. The later you get into your 30s, right, early 40s, and you've not had a baby, I think it's harder to pull the plug because life's just getting better. I agree. Got more money. Yeah. Got more, I've got my head's in a better place than it ever was. I've got my mental health spare. So I'm a bit like, this is fucking great.

58:53Olivia Attwood:I know. But whereas I think some people that just almost, some people do it on purpose, but almost get pregnant by accident younger. They don't know what they're missing because your 20s are so fucked up anyway that I think you don't know whether you're coming or going. I didn't in my 20s. So now I'm like, oh, now my life's in a place where like I feel my head's on my shoulders. I've got what I want. I've got my vibe. Like, and then what happens is you go and spend time with people, with kids. You leave. I don't know if you do this. I do this. I get in my car and I'm like, fuck. I know. Fuck, you know, like I'm my poor bastard friend.

59:26Olivia Attwood:That's her life. It feels like there is. That's her fucking life.

59:29Joanne McNally:I know. It feels like at our stage. And I know we're like, I always have this habit of when people are 10 years younger going, you know, at our stage, it's like, no, Deryn, we're not at the same stage. I'm like, our generation, Olivia. And you're like, no, no, you're your own generation.

59:43Olivia Attwood:No, because now I say this at every podcast, Grace is 22. And this is what I do. I go for us. I go for us and she's like, there is no us. I do it all the time. I said this joke literally in a podcast. I do this to her all the time. She talks to us, I'm like, but girls like us. Yeah. I'm the same. women of our age they're like

1:00:02Joanne McNally:I'm 23 Joanne you're 42

1:00:05Olivia Attwood:but do you feel like you're like 30 because I feel like I'm 20

1:00:09Joanne McNally:I get a kick out of saying about my 40s because I kind of don't I'm like shut up am I am I in my 40s when did that happen I just blinked but I was I kind of had my midlife crisis in my 30s yeah because I like spun around did a new job left my career and all that jazz so when I hit my 40s I was like I'm good to go you feel good yeah I'm financially independent. I have a nice flat. Like, I'm really happy. My job is going well. But, oh yeah, sorry, the kids thing. I understand completely what you mean because at this stage now you're like, I've been on my own for, I've been doing whatever I want at the drop of a hat whenever I want.

1:00:47Joanne McNally:Now I'm like, teen pregnancies, get it. Get knocked up in a park by a lad when you're 14. And you don't know what you're missing. And then now you're back in the clubs. I know, I know. I meet women now and they're like, oh, this is my 20-year-old son. He drove me to the show. and I'm like, lucky bitch. That's what I want.

1:01:02Olivia Attwood:I want a 20-year-old child. I know. Because they're actually, do you know, people go to me online, oh, you hate children, you hate babies. I'm like, I don't at all because I'm not fucking Cruella de Vil. I don't have any interest in babies. But like you say, like children, I can abide children. It's like when they're like, you know, they can't do anything without you. That scares me. Yeah, I know. It's a lot of responsibility.

1:01:22Joanne McNally:It's a lot of work, you know. And like, you know, I see women, friends of mine raising their kids and I'm so impressed by it because also, like, I'm, you know, I travel a lot for work and I have friends raising their kids with a full-time job. I'm like, women should just never have to work again if they don't want to. Maturity leave should be forever, unless you want to work. These women are working their tits off in high-powered jobs and then they're going home in the evening and mothering.

1:01:49Olivia Attwood:I know. I'm like, how are you? You're literally talking through my, like, internal thought stream I was having when I was, like, in the edit for one of my shows. I've got like deadlines up to my fucking eyeballs. I'm run down and I literally was sitting there and I heard someone talking in the other room about what their kid wanted for Christmas and I thought, fuck. I thought, imagine you've got deadlines, you're tired, you've got the lurky and then you've got some little person who you've got to create magic for. Yeah, I know. These women are doing

1:02:16Joanne McNally:full-time jobs

1:02:18Olivia Attwood:and coming home

1:02:19Joanne McNally:and moving that fucking elf around a lot. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I'm so, I'm so with all of these women.

1:02:25Olivia Attwood:It's incredible.

1:02:26Joanne McNally:They are in the trenches.

1:02:28Olivia Attwood:They are on the front line. And so. Where they keep just digging, like when they've got nothing left in their cup, they have to find something else.

1:02:34Joanne McNally:And I never like, there's always a kind of, I don't like the narrative of, I see women online sometimes with no kids and they're like, you know, look, this is the benefits of having no kids. I'm sleeping and I've got money. And I was like, I don't like that either because I don't like being, I don't like women with kids, women without kids being, I don't like us pitching us against each other. I think we should be, I'm like, do you want me to babysit those kids? they also say they always say absolutely not stay away

1:02:59Olivia Attwood:that'd be alive yeah yeah yeah no you're so true though because I'm chronically online and I feel like on TikTok there is turned into this like you said there's two like they're kind of bitching at each other yeah I don't like this there's like the mummy TikTok who are like oh like no one's life is complete without a little human and then the other side are going oh look at me I can do this like you're saying and I think it's because women have felt backed into pregnancy for so long yeah and they're defending their positions and their choices and they're saying we should all just be like mate and like you say if I've not got a kid I want to be the aunt I want to be the one that like you know I do think take your kid off your hands for a few hours

1:03:33Joanne McNally:I was reading something recently I was saying it to my mate it was saying women with no kids feel more are happier day to day but maybe less content less fulfilled overall whereas women with children are more bored in their day to day but more fulfilled overall and I was saying it to a friend look this is a sweeping statement I'm sure like this is like me I say reading scrolling TikTok I'm doing a degree TikTok and I said it to one of my mates and she's like that is exactly it she's like I'm a bit bored there's a lot of routine in my life with the kids but I adore like I'm so fulfilled by them but I am a little bit bored in my day to day whereas she's like your life looks like this and this and I was like yeah but I'm missing something too like a deepest thing you know that sense of purpose or that which I feel a child would help.

1:04:29Joanne McNally:So yeah, I am day to day. I'm actually like very happy and very content. But there is something missing in the wider scope of fulfillment. I'm with you on that.

1:04:39Olivia Attwood:And also I think that when you work in entertainment, you work in media, it's quite superficial on a level and you give so much of your light and like yourself to this kind of this that sometimes that can feel a little bit empty after you know like you kind of I feel like I give everything into this job and sometimes when I go home like there's not much for my husband even I'm a bit kind of like glossy behind because that's why I get the idea of you saying after shows you kind of don't want to go because you're kind of a bit like ooh like my personality is like I need to recharge that battery that's it

1:05:11Joanne McNally:it's the social battery that's a real thing

1:05:14Olivia Attwood:but yeah

1:05:16Joanne McNally:hats off to those mothers and Deirdre Kain had a great joke and she's like do you know Deirdre Kain she's an Irish comedian I've heard I've heard the name and she's like and the what did she call them the working moms and the working fathers all four of them because like men in general like I had a really serious conversation with a friend of mine who has several kids and she I was talking about doing it on my own blah blah blah this is all the talk at the moment because like I say tick tick it's true it's sad but it's true it's just the truth and I was like doing it on my own and she's married and she's like do you want as a woman even if you have a partner you're on your own yeah and I was like whoa yeah she really meant it you know I think you know the heavy lifting does fall onto the woman it just does

1:06:03Olivia Attwood:the mental load and I've heard so many you know the same comments from my friends who have children and they have great partners yeah like these are not like dickhead husbands these are like present you know but one of the the connection's never the same no so it's like that the worry the thing like you say their life doesn't really like they can walk out the door it doesn't impact them in the same way and shut the door and you know I think nine times out of ten with few exceptions it falls to mum to think of if she has to go to work she's going to do like you know packed lunch and what's they going to eat are they well are they fed you know it's like the labour is like mental

1:06:40Joanne McNally:my mother's in her 70s now and the other day she rang me early in the morning and I said yo what's up and she went oh thank god I was like what she goes you haven't been online in hours so I'm again in my 40s and my mother is still sitting watching her whatsapp to see when I come online and when I go offline this never stops to see if I'm okay and I I guess because I travel a lot and stuff like I I remember one time I was in Portland Oregon and I was like wow no one knows where I am like no one yeah so if my mother checked my website she'd know where I was but like and that's not through lack of care on her part I just I'm very independent I just go off and I do my thing and I fly around the States because I don't, the tours aren't big over there so I don't have a team with me over there.

1:07:23Joanne McNally:I'm just doing it myself. Yeah. But I was like, I'm in the middle of America and no one knows where I am. Like, they don't know. So I think maybe that's why she is extra

1:07:33Olivia Attwood:kind of spying on me. Looking at what you're doing.

1:07:35Joanne McNally:But she is, and I said, does it ever stop? Because it never, the worry never stops because it never stops.

1:07:40Olivia Attwood:So huge. And I also think that I have, I take a bit of umbrage with that whole, like, do you want to have a baby? Like, because I, because I think that it sounds like such a material like it sounds like a thing that you're gonna have yeah but actually it's like do you want to be a parent for the rest of your life yeah like do you know what I mean like you say like it doesn't matter how old that child is it's that you are taking on an like an emotional psychological like a forming this human being in this really complicated world you're not having a

1:08:07Joanne McNally:baby like I'm gonna have a hot dog yeah you're like do you know what I mean you're gonna like

1:08:12Olivia Attwood:do this thing and you have to try and make a well-rounded person that can function in society and I've only just worked out how to function in society myself. I know. I know. He's raising us. But that's what I always say whenever Brad talks about children, I'm like, I'm a teenager. This is sick. And he's like, you're not. You're in your 30s. This is inappropriate. I'm like, you're a sick, sick man. I'm not even menstruating yet. You're a pinophile. Okay. This is inappropriate. This is just disgusting. Let's play a little game, if you're up for it, of Snog, Marry, Avoid. Good old-fashioned. Yeah.

1:08:48Olivia Attwood:Okay. I'm going to win. This is a good one, okay? Okay. So I'm going to do an Irish man edition. Okay. Barry Keegan. Keoghan. Keoghan. Oh, go on.

1:08:56Joanne McNally:Barry Keoghan.

1:08:57Olivia Attwood:Barry Keoghan. Paul Meskell. Pierce Brosnan. Oh! I don't even know who's Irish. I know. Just wasn't expecting him there. He's got such an English accent.

1:09:08Joanne McNally:He's a zaddy vibe, isn't he?

1:09:09Olivia Attwood:Oh my God, him in Bond was unbelievable. Quite something. Yeah. So snog, marry, avoid. I would snog Barry Keoghan. Yeah. Sexy.

1:09:19Joanne McNally:He's sexy. He's got a vibe.

1:09:21Olivia Attwood:As a tall woman, do you like a small man? Because I'm not opposed to a smaller... I'm not opposed anymore. Did it used to be a thing?

1:09:28Joanne McNally:Yes.

1:09:29Olivia Attwood:I think it's a very...

1:09:30Joanne McNally:I think it's like it's the cave hunt thing again. You're just like, look at the giant man with the giant sperm and the huge babies and the gathering and the hunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so Snogham, I think... I mean, I would marry Paul or Pierce. Yeah, they're both good actually. Yeah, but I think... I like an older man so I might marry Pierce and avoid Paul but no shade.

1:09:55Olivia Attwood:Yeah, got you. Because also, Pierce feels like good husband material. He's been with his wife forever. I know. He seems like a very loyal guy.

1:10:02Joanne McNally:Too long, actually, in Hollywood. It's kind of suspicious, isn't it? I was like, he's pretty gay and she's like a lavender marriage.

1:10:06Olivia Attwood:That's always what I think when I see a couple. When they stay that long,

1:10:09Joanne McNally:you're like, Isn't that bad

1:10:09Olivia Attwood:that's what we think? But that's what, we know, it's Hollywood. I know. The women that must have thrown themselves at him. I know second Irish one Cillian Murphy who? is that right or not? Cillian Cillian yeah what's wrong with me? I'm like pop culture addict and I'm reading all these names wrong

1:10:28Joanne McNally:I remember someone once saying Irish names look like a wifi code I thought it was very funny

1:10:32Olivia Attwood:it's always like a bit of a trick you know I said is Sian is Irish right? yeah and I read it out sorry I think I should think that's Welsh oh is it? I read it out seeing yeah in an actual way to seeing because yeah Yeah, it's spelled S-I-A-N.

1:10:48Joanne McNally:I'm the same. I've had to introduce Dutch comics on stage and I'm like, I am going to make an absolute mess of this movie. I'm just like, welcome.

1:10:56Olivia Attwood:Get the clapping going. Comedian. Yeah, yeah. Cillian Murphy, Niall Horan, Conor McGregor.

1:11:04Joanne McNally:Well. Imagine it's like, I'd marry Conor.

1:11:08Olivia Attwood:He seems great. Imagine you sat in your house, massive Conor stan. I like the material you do about Conor and he's the bottom of the base. Is he bottom of the Irish class?

1:11:18Joanne McNally:Yeah. He's been making... Thank God now.

1:11:20Olivia Attwood:I know. And also, do you know what I mean? Why do things have to... Why do you have to turn into such a prick?

1:11:23Joanne McNally:I know. It's all power, isn't it? I know. It's really gone to his head, though, bad. Well, he's got... He did... I think he's after... Because he's found Jesus now. Now, Jesus is back with a fucking bang. Jesus don't want him.

1:11:33Olivia Attwood:Jesus don't want him. Back's back with a bang.

1:11:35Joanne McNally:But he did ayahuasca. I think that's where they come from.

1:11:37Olivia Attwood:Jesus Christ.

1:11:38Joanne McNally:So, obviously, I'd have to avoid Conor Gregor. And what were they going to do? Cillian and I whoring yeah I'd marry Cillian I'd marry Cillian snog Nile Cillian would be devastated he'd be looking for divorce within minutes I'd be like no it's done now

1:11:55Olivia Attwood:it's legal

1:11:56Joanne McNally:you can't leave me I love you

1:11:58Olivia Attwood:British edition Henry Cavill Idris Elba Tom Hardy well

1:12:05Joanne McNally:I would shag marry kill Tom Hardy all in one because I think we have one after another I think we have a great toxic loads of riding punching one of those relationships. And then murder. I hate you. And then like loads of great rides. So he'd be the winner there. I don't know who the Henry guy is. Henry Cavill, Superman.

1:12:22Olivia Attwood:Don't know him at all. Actually not, he's handsome, but in a very, like imagine what Superman would look like in a cartoon. Not for me. No, he's very like perfect looking. Yeah, not for me. And also he's working nights,

1:12:32Joanne McNally:obviously it's never going to work if he's Superman.

1:12:33Olivia Attwood:And what was the other guy? Idris Elba. Ah.

1:12:38Joanne McNally:You'd marry him. Do you think he'd be like a good husband? Yeah, I do. But I'd be off having an affair with Tom Hardy.

1:12:42Olivia Attwood:Yeah, nice, yeah. Comedian edition. Ricky Gervais. Jimmy Carr. Mo Gilligan.

1:12:50Joanne McNally:I only met Mo yesterday. Really? Yeah. For the first time. For the first time. He's a nice guy. He is a nice guy. I think I would. I think I'd marry Mo. I mean.

1:13:02Olivia Attwood:Are you a Ricky fan?

1:13:05Joanne McNally:I am a Ricky fan. Same. I think he's very funny.

1:13:08Olivia Attwood:Yeah, I laugh at the stuff that everyone's like, that's not funny. and then I'm like you're like

1:13:15Joanne McNally:you're Ryan Rowland down your leg yeah I'm like

1:13:17Olivia Attwood:the tube adverts that are getting everyone upset I'm now yeah I love it did someone ring in

1:13:23Joanne McNally:I love stupid sense of humor someone complained to someone complained to him saying I've just seen your poster in the tube station it's not in how did you see it it's AI you prick like they're making up these complaints

1:13:37Olivia Attwood:hold on no they're in now they're not Yes, fuck off. One went past me on a bus yesterday. No. Stuck on the bus. The only time you'll see Ricky Gervais on a bus. On the bus. And there's one, I saw one. He's so much money.

1:13:51Joanne McNally:He's probably gluing on himself.

1:13:52Olivia Attwood:I think the ones, yeah, that's what someone said. He's paying, like he's paying himself. I've not seen some of the ones, like the stab vest one that I haven't seen, but I saw one. It was not as near the mark as the ones that you see on the internet, but he was, his vodka or whatever it is, he was down there. And I was going down the tube to look for my posters for Debenhams.

1:14:09Joanne McNally:And I found Ricky Gervais.

1:14:10Olivia Attwood:No way.

1:14:11Joanne McNally:I love that we're like, he's paying. That's literally advertising. We're like, he's paying to put them up there. He is.

1:14:16Olivia Attwood:I was reading someone, some podcaster was going, and he's such a loser. I was like, no, I think it's actually quite funny.

1:14:21Joanne McNally:I think I roofied Ricky and Jimmy and make them score each other.

1:14:25Olivia Attwood:Nice.

1:14:25Joanne McNally:Yeah.

1:14:27Olivia Attwood:Okay, got it. Second comedy edition. Sean Walsh, Jack Whitehall, Kevin Hart.

1:14:32Joanne McNally:Oh. Well, Sean's a friend of mine, so I'd have to kill him. Okay, done. Then I'd marry Kevin Hart. Oh, yeah. I know. He'd be teeny next to us. Put him in your pocket. Pocket husband. Amazing. Hey, honey, like potty pocket. Who was the other guy? Jack Whitehall. Oh, yeah, I'd snag him. Yeah, he's handsome. Why not? Try the tongue and see what happens.

1:14:52Olivia Attwood:Tall, posh guy.

1:14:54Joanne McNally:Yeah, why not? Looks good in a suit.

1:14:56Olivia Attwood:Duran, before you leave my house, I'm taking referrals. There's a guest list system here, so everyone that comes through the door is recommended by someone. So who do you think I should have in your chair next? Who do you think should be on the list? and you can go off pieces you want it can be someone in the industry it can be a family member do you know who you should get we're talking like

1:15:19Joanne McNally:fantasy here aren't we

1:15:20Olivia Attwood:yeah anyone do you know who I'd love who

1:15:23Joanne McNally:one of my I did the big fat quiz the other day they're asking about my TV hero and I said her as well her name escapes me do you remember Housewives of oh I'm a Housewife fan I think it's Orange County do you remember when I ripped off her prosthetic leg

1:15:36Olivia Attwood:no it was New York was it yeah New York and she was like you women are as fake as this leg and put the leg she said there's nothing

1:15:43Joanne McNally:she said

1:15:44Olivia Attwood:there's nothing fake about me

1:15:45Joanne McNally:the only thing fake about me is and she ripped off her prosthetic leg

1:15:48Olivia Attwood:Aviva oh my god Aviva

1:15:51Joanne McNally:I could see you hosting a show like that you know I fucking love that yeah

1:15:55Olivia Attwood:I love watching women behave badly I know it's just so like it's something so animalistic about it

1:16:00Joanne McNally:I know in a way I'm like I'm watching it it's like when I watch True Crime I'm like I am part of the problem

1:16:04Olivia Attwood:yeah

1:16:06Joanne McNally:but I love it

1:16:07Olivia Attwood:I don't want you to help yourselves

1:16:09Joanne McNally:as I drift off to the sound of a woman getting murdered

1:16:13Olivia Attwood:I know thank god it's not me

1:16:15Joanne McNally:that's all I'm saying that's what it is you know it really makes women feel safe

1:16:19Olivia Attwood:well just because it almost is like kind of looking it straight in the eye it's like

1:16:23Joanne McNally:we're so there's this weird weird and you know they're trying to figure out why and how of women like myself who relax to true crime documentaries which are based around the murder of fellow women we're like why is that like what is that about and they said it's because it makes women feel safe it's fucking nuts

1:16:42Olivia Attwood:isn't it do you know the best way to not get murdered by a serial killer don't be a woman that lights up a room I was just going to say have you seen that I was just going to say I love those skits when someone's like when you're at your funeral and they're like she was the kindest and your sister's like

1:16:59Joanne McNally:fucking hell sorry one of my favourite funeral stories ever was do you remember the story when everyone was zooming in everywhere are and then someone had the idea of zooming in at funerals and then the zooming thing kind of stayed and then this was all over the Daily Mail and it just brings me so much joy. There was a woman, your mom was dead in the coffin and then they put the screen for the Zoom and for the Zoom people up above the coffin and they were obviously like you know putting your man to rest doing the pup a bit and so I was looking at the coffin and there was like maybe six or seven people on screen zooming in and one woman was shaving her undercarriage so basically she didn't realise she was on camera so she set up the funeral and then went in and just whatever way it was shot so the camera's there and she's in the shower and she's literally while they're literally laying someone to rest on camera zooming in to a fucking church she's shaving herself shaving her little cooch and then went to the afters of the funeral so I don't know who she wanted to meet or who she was preparing herself for maybe it was her widow

1:18:12Olivia Attwood:yeah

1:18:14Joanne McNally:do you realise you were just shaving your vagina I know

1:18:17Olivia Attwood:in Ireland they do open casket

1:18:19Joanne McNally:yeah we do wakes and stuff so you do the full like seeing the thing yeah my father was in the house for three days I think stop shut the fuck up yeah do you know what's so weird I was only speaking about this to someone the other day like it does sound weird when you say it like that

1:18:32Olivia Attwood:yeah to people when you're not used to that culture

1:18:34Joanne McNally:I ran down every morning excited to see him even though he was dead and he was just like

1:18:39Olivia Attwood:in the front room

1:18:39Joanne McNally:because you spent time with the body and it's like you process it yeah

1:18:42Olivia Attwood:I mean it's actually quite a healthy thing

1:18:44Joanne McNally:it is because sometimes

1:18:45Olivia Attwood:people are like oh by the way your auntie Sally's dead and then you never see them ever again I don't know how to process that yeah yeah I know what you mean yeah I just guess if you're not used to it like it's such an un-British thing to do

1:18:57Joanne McNally:I'd like to be waked.

1:19:00Olivia Attwood:And more importantly, who should we ban? Who should we ban from Olivia's house? It can be anyone. Like, we've had a wide range from, like, politicians to people's next-door neighbours to whoever. Yeah, whoever you want. Or it can be someone in the industry. Who do you think shouldn't get access? I don't like to leave

1:19:20Joanne McNally:negative vibes. No, I know what you mean. I do, but... That's what I'd like to ban. People who have recently found Jesus.

1:19:27Olivia Attwood:Yeah. And then it's their whole personality.

1:19:29Joanne McNally:I'm like, what is going on?

1:19:31Olivia Attwood:What is going on? Has he come out of hiding or something?

1:19:34Joanne McNally:Why is everyone finding him?

1:19:35Olivia Attwood:He's having a great PR moment. Huge. He's back with a bang.

1:19:40Joanne McNally:They're like, I'm walking with Christ. I'm getting your steps in. I find it all very strange. And I think it's actually, watching grown people get baptized, I'm like, what's really going on here? And I think it's also kind of the wellness industry gone mad. And it's all very crypto. So like it's the men doing the ice baths and all that. It's all that. It's the manosphere stuff, which I find quite strange. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, I need to do more research on it. But I do find all that a little odd. Like I'm seeing people who I've known years who were like influencers and stuff now have Welcome to Christ in their bio.

1:20:19Joanne McNally:And I'm like, what is going on?

1:20:20Olivia Attwood:People that have done like the most heinous things, but also like real human trash. and they're like, yeah, with God. I'm like, he doesn't want you. I know. And the poor bastard can't say anything about it. They just stuck his name in their bio and he's probably thinking, fucking delete that. I know. Slut. Yeah, I know. I don't want to be in your fucking bio.

1:20:36Joanne McNally:It's like, you know, you're kind of bulletproof. You're walking with Jesus.

1:20:38Olivia Attwood:Yeah, because they go, oh, well, I found myself now. And, you know, even though I was an absolute crap bag 15 years now, now I'm with Jesus.

1:20:46Joanne McNally:Yeah, it's like, it's very kind of whitewashing the past, isn't it? Yeah.

1:20:51Olivia Attwood:Just like, oh, reset. Yeah. Jesus has got me now. Okay, to be honest, I don't think anyone that's walking with Jesus wants to come in this club.

1:20:58Joanne McNally:Good. They don't deserve it. They're too busy walking with Jesus.

1:21:01Olivia Attwood:Banned. Okay, Joanne, tell us, where can the Huns catch Pino File this year?

1:21:06Joanne McNally:So, 2026, extra date. So, we have the matinee on February 15th in the London Apollo. Great idea to do that. Great idea. Isn't it? Yeah.

1:21:17Olivia Attwood:Thank you. And then the Huns can go and get their face mask on, get some sleep if you don't want a late night. 8pm. Yeah.

1:21:22Joanne McNally:Bang. your aura ring on on mask on June 3rd I'm in Leeds June 18th I'm in Brighton June 26th I'm in Manchester June 27th I'm in Liverpool there are extra dates also if you have any Australian or New Zealand listeners we have Australian oh fab New Zealand is the problem but

1:21:41Olivia Attwood:nothing against New Zealand if you are from New Zealand hi hi Auckland Wellington Christchurch up your game you're spreading the net wide yeah why not

1:21:53Joanne McNally:Brits and Irish. Yeah. I was doing a show in Dubai and we added an extra one and an Irish woman messaged me and she said, I think you're selling well in Dubai because there's Irish people there, you know. There's a lot of Irish people. Yeah, it's not the Emiratis coming. It's not the fucking locals. Do you know what I mean? It's obviously,

1:22:10Olivia Attwood:wherever there's expats, I'll go. Joanne, you've been an absolute joy. I just could talk to you all day. It's been so lovely. It's been so lovely. Guys, thank you so much for listening to Olivia's House. Like, subscribe, give us a comment and you can still get those tickets for Joanne's Peanut Bile now. Love you.

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