Roxy Horner On Her Dream Wedding to Jack Whitehall, Motherhood & Type 1 Diabetes Diagnosis!

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1:52Does he use you in his stand-up? Yes. I'm like, I feel like I'm his muse. What did you want from the wedding when you were going into planning it? I wanted a small wedding and he wanted a... I knew you were going to say that! These men need to stand up and be held accountable for being absolute divas. Roxy, you're a proud ambassador for Diabetes UK. I was like, I feel so ill. I need to take myself to hospital. And I discharged myself. Went to the Brits thinking I was totally fine. And then that's when I was like having my first hypo.

2:27Hi dolls, welcome back to Olivia's house. Now my guest today in my house, who actually has told me how cosy she thinks the house is, which is what I've always wanted my guest to feel, is influencer, model, mum and newlywed, everyone, it is Roxy Horner. Hi. Hi honey. Hi babe. Before we just started rolling there, because you are a month married at this point. I am a month and a bit married. I was like, before we started rolling, I was like, Like, Roxy, are you Roxy Whitehall? Are you Roxy Horner? And you were like, I don't actually know. It was a weird moment because I had to sign in. And I was like, what's my name?

3:04I don't actually know what my name is legally. But I think I need to do like the paperwork for it. And I need to double barrel it. It's quite complicated, isn't it? Because you actually have to apply for your legal name to be changed outside the wedding. So we did it legally on the day. So I'm just so confused. But it's not on my passport yet. It's not at my doctor's yet. I need to do all of that kind of stuff. isn't it? How do you do you think you want to be Horner Whitehall Whitehall Horner I think so our daughter has double barrel she's Whitehall Horner that's nice and I want to be the same as her so I think I'm just going to keep the Horner on the end and I actually tried to change my Instagram handle the other day and it wouldn't let me yeah did you have to apply to change and then it like reviews it I don't know it just declined it for me and I was just like but that's my name I think I like a double barrel because I also think it's nice to keep that part of your identity of who you were before you were a wife you know oh for sure like I'm so attached to my name like I love my family and I don't want to like let that go yeah but I also as soon as I was married I wanted his name at the same time I know it was a weird feeling I was like I just want to be a family and like it's really yeah we're going to talk all about the wedding um before we get into it you probably are aware of my little format point that we have on the show called leave it at the door yeah it's basically I give my guests a chance to leave something outside of the house, like leave it out on the street.

4:25What would you like to leave at the door today, Roxy? Bad vibes. Bad vibes. Bad vibes. And also like diabetic, I don't know, quotes that people use sometimes that are just like not true. So like when we say like diabetic ignorance, like misconceptions. Misconceptions. Yeah, a lot of people say, oh, you can cure it with cinnamon. Like literally people say that to me all the time. the internet around health is wild wild like honestly I I really want to I want you to educate me around diabetes I think that'd be really good for my audience because I think they said there is so much misinformation out there and so many myths around it um but let's before we do that let's take things right back yeah you're an Essex girl I am an Essex girl what type of Essex are you born in I was really I've been all over the place I think I was born in Chelmsford nice yeah love a at Chelmsford High Street.

5:22Was that our producer Tom? Is that your from Tom? Oh, I love that. Is that where Faces is? No. No, it's Ganshill, isn't it? Yeah, I've no idea. Okay, so you're a Chelmsford girl, grew up. Did you always know you wanted to be a model? No, I didn't, actually. I never, like, wanted to be a model. It just kind of happened. It sort of fell into your lap. It was weird, because I was at a clothes show with my mum, and I just remember being there and seeing, like, Amy Winehouse performing, and, like, she was just up and coming at the time, when I was 13. And I'd never even thought about modelling, but I was at this, like, place where there was lots of scouts.

5:56Am I right in saying it was the clove show in Birmingham? No, it was in London. The London. But was it that clove show that used to be in Birmingham? I think maybe they did them all over the place. And you could, like, there'd be, like, catwalks going on. Yeah, this is, like, such a millennial core memory I have of going these. I don't even know if it still happens, but it was a big thing, wasn't it? I remember, yeah, you buy tickets, you go, and yeah, I remember this, yeah. Yeah, and so we were just, like, walking around like because there's like a little market bit after you see all the fashion shows and I remember being scouted at 13 and being so shy and I was like oh my god not me like I can't model but I secretly wanted to I was like this is amazing and so I went home and told my mom I was like I think I want to do this and we went up the next week and I got signed and so it just kind of happened like that really like happened like kind of out of the blue what did you what were you like at school what did you think you wanted to be when you grew up I always say that I was a bit like an in between her at school.

6:48Oh my God. Because I didn't really fit in to any kind of crowd, but I also got along with everyone. So me and my little gang of four people, we just was just like, I don't know, just getting by basically. A bit nerdy, a bit like... Are you still friends with girls from school? Yeah. Well, one of the, yeah, one of my best friends who's still from school. That's really sweet. When you signed agency, what agency was it? It was Storm. It was Storm. Yeah, it started out with Storm. Kate Moss was there. Yeah. Like loads of, like it was a big agency. It was a big agency. Yeah, it still is, yeah. did you yeah did you have did you at that age have a gross understanding of like kind of how big that was no no I had no idea and like within a few months I was doing shoots and in magazines like at 13 so then I went from like being kind of shy at school to coming in and being like I'm in a magazine like what the hell this is crazy did it build your confidence I don't know I don't know I think I was just like happy to be be somewhere else and not be where I was kind of growing up and like I feel like I always wanted to escape in a way like get out of Essex and just not be there yeah because I'm guessing modeling took you away you traveled and was that were you that was your full-time job basically from that point yeah I didn't realize it was going to be my full-time job like I still went to college for a year and then I realized that I was getting so many jobs that actually I couldn't turn them down so I pulled out of college and I did it full-time at 16 and that was my full-time job since like and you've got quite Like the CV, like the magazines you've been in, Victoria's Secrets.

8:16I mean, the list really goes on. Is there any that stand out for you that you were like, this is like a real pinch me moment? I don't know. I feel like even like my first magazine, I was just so happy to be doing what I was doing. It was all kind of, I was just really grateful for the whole thing. I still am. I feel like there's definitely been moments, like I did the Duran Duran music video with Naomi Campbell and Yasmin Le Bon and like all those huge names. and I was like, little me from Essex is just here. This is so cool. What was Naomi like? I didn't like speak to her as such. We were just on set.

8:48But she was sweet, you know, like she seemed very sweet. And then she's beautiful. I mean, is she like gorgeous in real life? So Sonome. What was the industry like? I mean, you came up through the time when it was probably especially brutal. I think they kind of make out it's changing, but I don't know. No, it was so brutal. Also, like we didn't have social media when I speak my age here. But there was no social media. I had to be a certain height, a certain weight. I had to look a certain way. I had to be mysterious. That's why I've never done a podcast till now. I've got that in my head. I've had that in my head.

9:25You've got to be mysterious. So when you say that, that was Jordan. She was in basically be seen, but don't be heard. Don't chat, don't speak. Because that's actually, now you've said that, but you think of fashion models, you never really hear them at all. No. Because culture's changing now, but back then it was, yeah. I think back then we were told like, yeah, because that's just how people would find you like mysterious. Because they're like, I want to know her. I want to book her on this because I don't know what she's like. It's so interesting. Yeah. So they're worried that your personality might put people off.

9:57Like not you personally, but like any model. I don't know what it was, but that was just kind of the culture at the time. But it's gradually changed. I remember then all of a sudden within 10 years of modeling, I had to do video and I had to do like, you know, on set. So then you're posing for a camera, but you've also got to keep the videographer entertained and like do some things on the side to them. And like, so yeah, it's been like a gradual change for the modeling industry. Do you feel that you fitted into those, that box of height and weight or was it something you had to be very aware of?

10:28I think naturally I was very slim growing up. I had a lot of energy running around and everything. and then I think you know I signed at 13 and then I became a woman yes your body changes my body changed I got a bum I got hips I never got the boobs but so I looked like a fashion model up here and then like I don't know more of a commercial model down there and I think they just wanted my body to just be like straight up and down when I started and so when I did start getting a little bit of curves like my modeling career had to change so I had to do more commercial work so yeah i did feel like i had to try and fit into a certain size and all that but i do think it has changed a lot like you now see like plus size models on the catwalk and i think it's amazing like women are all different sizes we're all so different and why should just one body type be represented so we should all be represented i think it's nice to see like people showing up in different they say different who's they are in different shapes and sizes so people can see themselves in like an advert or like on a runway yeah and you don't want to like look at clothes online and be like well I don't know what I'd look like in that because I don't look like that in those early two those two thousands modeling traveling the world you must have been some crazy parties yes so many if you could write a book yeah it'd be wild yeah oh they were like shoulders of like everyone yeah I feel like those were the places that I felt like oh this is like crazy me what the hell is this because this is not where I came from at all like I did not come from fame or money or anything like that so it was just a whole like even now I still feel like that sometimes you know like what am I doing here I mean talking of your life now obviously you know you've had success as a model you were already massively kind of on the scene but meeting Jack your husband now Jack Whitehall that thrusted you I guess into a more would you say it's more of like a household sort of yeah level of noted like doteriety you guys met in Australia is that right we did and he was he gigging were you working out there how did you guys cross oh it was so random so I my parents actually lived in Australia for 12 years so I grew up in Essex they moved to Australia when I was 20 and so I used to go and visit them every year for like six months I'd work out there I would do my modelling and then come home.

12:54So it was really nice. What's it like out there? It's amazing. Have you been? Only like for the jungle and I like saw nothing. But what part of Australia? They were in Brisbane actually, which is meant to be quite like a sleepy town. Like there's not much going on in Brisbane. But is it beautiful? It's beautiful. You know, it's really calm and just, I feel like I would go there and just unwind. And then I'd fly to Sydney for jobs and fly to Melbourne for jobs. So I was kind of always busy when I was in Australia. Yeah. And then Jack slid into my DMs. Nice. like every modern romance starts and he was like hey i'm like new to australia like we had cross paths at events okay met briefly but like so brief like we didn't even have a conversation it was just like passing each other and we just knew of each other yeah and so he was like do you want to show me around something cheesy like that and i was just you know i was like why not i'm newly single i'd literally been single a month and so i didn't even know how to flirt i was like what am I doing were you in a long-term relationship before right so you were like fresh into the dating yeah and was he in Australia for work yeah he was touring with his dad or like doing travels with my father oh yes yeah big fan and so I was like sneakily meeting up with him I didn't realize that I was he wasn't telling people but you were yeah okay he would just meet up with me for an hour and I was like why is he going off like so quickly and I was yeah I was like let's have a like nice day and we did date we dated for like two months in australia it was really that's the start of your relationship yeah i read something that said that you uh attended one of his gigs when you're out there and it was it was basically filled with a lot of kind of rude stories talking about exes what was that like yeah i didn't know what to expect because honestly i hadn't really done my research and it was it was funny i got really quite drunk actually and i'd invited my parents so they after like two dates I'd invited my parents to his show that's so funny um they loved it um it was funny so you've got the meeting of the parents out pretty pretty quickly yeah wait I can't even remember if he met them I don't think he even met them you just were like in the audience yeah they were just in the audience that's so funny does he make you laugh yeah he makes me laugh in like all the right moments you know like when I really need to laugh he'll yeah yeah he knows how to do it um does he use you in his stand-up he does a little bit now yes I'm like I feel like I'm his muse is there ever any material that he either like runs past you or you see him working on and you're like do not tell that fucking story I kind of let him do his thing I feel like you're quite laid back I am quite laid back and I will correct him if things are wrong because sometimes he does make diabetes jokes right and I'm like babe that's not accurate like I need to correct you here because that's not like I have to I even publicly had to correct him once because he told the joke wrong um as in like he's got the information about how he's telling it wrong I feel like he knows now because obviously I've had it for five years now so he's like more educated on it yes but at the beginning obviously he was learning the same as me and so because oh this is such a funny story I've got to put it in my stand up and and you're like wait hold on it's not it's not all that funny yeah but he does he does use me as his joke yeah i think jack and and also his dad now are like proper household names in this country i mean his career has just i mean god you must have watched his career take off in such a way it's elevated so much from like posting the bricks to like his stand-up and his series with his dad is that is that been something that you've had to navigate like you know being kind of thrust into the spotlight like that i guess so because we met just before lockdown we met in 2020 in January.

16:37So you went into basically lockdown in a new relationship, which is crazy in itself. I moved in with him after two months of dating. Wow. Because we didn't realise we were going to be locked in together. We were like, let's just, he invited me over. He was like, do you want to just come in while we do this lockdown? And then we're like, you can't leave. So I was like, oh, this is the test. We were basically married before we dated in a way. So I think it was a good test. It was a good test. Yeah. So yeah, once we started dating properly after that, I was like, oh, he's quite known. Yes. You were getting the scale of his fan base when you came back out of being locked in the...

17:15Yeah. Your proposal story is very sweet. You were at Estelle Manor. Yeah. I just worked there the other week. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. It's so beautiful. So gorgeous. Your daughter Elsie was with you. Is it true that basically you were going to... Jack was going to do a romantic proposal and Elsie was going to be looked after by a babysitter. it fell through and she ended up being witness to your engagement. Yeah and I'm so glad it happened that way. Do you think that was like a little bit fake? Yeah I'm like obsessed with her I want her with me all the time so the fact that she was there when he proposed was so special her little leg like she was a baby her little leg like popped up and in her pram and while he was on one knee and we just kind of had I had a little giggle I was like this is so sweet.

18:01Did you have any idea that when you went away that weekend that you might be getting engaged? I sort of did. I honestly did because like... I love when people say that. That's what Amy was telling me when she was here before Jackson. She was like, yeah, he doesn't know it, but I know. Yeah, I don't think Jack knows that I know because I played it so well. But like, he'd done all these like cute surprises before. And I thought, oh, he's not, he's lovely, but he's not normally this lovely. And you know, all these kind of things happen. And I was like, oh, he's doing little surprises. And then on the day, I was thinking, oh, he's going to do it tomorrow.

18:29He's not going to do it today. I was so tired the day he proposed to me. I didn't do like my hair and makeup. I was like, I'm putting a dress on, but I'm not. You're just like completely unnatural. I'm so tired. And he was like, really? You don't want to dress up? And I saw him in his suit and I was like, oh my God, you look so gorgeous. Maybe I should make a bit of an effort. But I couldn't. I was too tired. So yeah, when he proposed, I was just like, yeah, obviously. You got down, he got down on one. He was in the gardens. He hired a room with Christmas trees at Estrella Manor. So it was like our own little restaurant.

19:01Oh my gosh. It was really sweet. it was so just like twinkly lights and our own little table that's so lovely yeah and how old was Elsie at the time? so he proposed to me in oh my maths my maths Olivia 2024 November she was baby she was like a year a year she was like a year old it's so sweet and it's actually like you say it's so lovely that you have that memory yeah with her there I know it's so sweet

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24:42Roxy, you're a proud ambassador for Diabetes UK. in 2021 you found out yourself that you had type 1 diabetes talk to me about how you came how you got the diagnosis how did that all happen so basically the Brits was coming up and it was just the end of lockdown and so I'd been preparing an outfit I was going to wear to the Brits and stuff and I like a week before I was like I feel so ill I feel so ill I need to take myself to hospital right when you say ill what what did you feel like well I went from being really active really like you know working out every day to having zero energy like zero I couldn't even go for a walk around the block without feeling like I'm gonna collapse I was really thirsty as well like I was drinking like four liter bottle of water every day every night still feeling gasping and like nothing would get rid of that and I and I just remember like not getting being able to get out of bed one day and just feeling like I this can't be normal like I can't just need that much coffee yeah yeah like it can't be that I'm tired so I just took myself in after going to the doctor several times by the way like and and they didn't hint towards anything no no no they told me they actually told me I was fine and I was crying I was like I'm not fine you just knew that something felt so wrong yeah and so I took myself to hospital and they were like straight on a drip with me put me straight on a drip you've got type 1 diabetes so they tested your blood and they could just tell that from the glucose levels i had also just before i went into hospital bought a finger prick okay to test my blood because someone i think online said to me check yourself for diabetes or someone had told me to check diabetes i went to a pharmacy just before and i did and i didn't know what the numbers meant because yeah i don't know so i just went hospital told them that and they were like okay that's really really high like really high because they're classic warning signs aren't they extreme thirst feeling like lethargic like you can't lift your head off the pillow of diabetes which is kind of crazy that your gps didn't like and i was throwing up as well yeah i was really ill so you go in you get tested they they diagnose you type 1 diabetes what is going through your head at that point weirdly i felt a bit relieved because i was I'm not crazy.

26:59There's something wrong with me and now I know what it is. There is something wrong with me and now I know what it is. Now I can treat myself and hopefully get back to normal and that's all that went through my head to start with. But then after a few days in hospital I was like, I kind of want to leave now. I don't want to be here anymore. Like I want to go to the Brits. So I started to feel better. I was on insulin. Insulin is the thing that keeps me alive. So that was the drug that they gave me and they said you need to learn to inject yourself every day for the rest of your life. wow so that was a bit of a shock because I was scared of needles so that took me a while to kind of get my head around that I used to pass out when I had a blood test before and I now I'm injecting myself every day yeah so that was a huge thing but then I discharged myself from hospital went to the Brits thinking I was totally fine and then that's when I didn't collapse but I I did lay on the floor and I was like having my first hypo okay yeah so for listeners and like myself you know to educate us as much as possible when you say hypo that is that short for hyperglycemic it is yeah and that basically does that mean that your glucose levels have dropped it means that my sugar levels are so low yeah that you've gone into a state and what if you're hyperglycemic what would it feel like i think everyone gets it slightly different for me i go shaky and then i can't talk you're just completely dazed sometimes i can't see properly and like i had one yesterday actually and i gosh yeah i had to call jack up and say just because i knew it was gonna be bad i said can you come meet me i'm walking home with cocoa at a dog can you come meet me because I don't think I'm going to make it home.

28:26And so he just walked me home and then I got in, laid on the sofa and he was bringing me like juice and sweets and then I'm fine within like half an hour. So it basically, you have to recognize that that onset and then get sugar into your system to basically try and combat that. Yeah, but it's so weird because you leave the hospital and they're like, you've got this really serious disease and to make you better, you're going to have to eat sweets. Yeah. Like how is anyone going to take me seriously when I say that? What's the simplest way of explaining diabetes to an alien? Is it basically your body's management of sugar?

28:57Yeah. I don't have the hormone insulin. So like you would have a natural hormone insulin that allows you to process sugar in your body and brings it to all the places that you need sugar. Whereas I don't have that anymore. My body's attacked itself and it doesn't produce it anymore. And so I have to manually give it to myself. And I've got this thing on my arm which reads my glucose. and that's like one of the most that's quite the ones I've seen that looks quite high tech and just always like rolling you were saying about your phone yeah explain to me about that how that works yeah so this is reading my glucose levels so has it got like a little is it inside your skin basically it's got a cannula in me so I have to it's kind of it looks scarier than it is it's got like this big needle that I have to like kind of staple into my arm and then but the needle doesn't stay in the needle comes out and then a cannula is left on my arm okay and that reads my blood sugar for like 10 days and then I change it every 10 days So that and that reader on your arm is attached to your phone.

29:53Yeah, it's chatting to my phone now. And actually, if I glance over, I can see it. And it'll basically... So it's reading your blood sugar levels. And so if they go low, you will need, you know, you need to eat something. Yeah. I've always got sweets in my bag if you ever need them. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, a good person to sit next to in a taxi. I mean, what do people do for that kind of tech? It must have been so... They must have had to manually test. Oh, yeah. Like when I left the hospital, I didn't have one of these. No. I had to prick my finger every day, multiple times a day, and inject myself with insulin on top of that.

30:25So it's like two different things. Yeah. So basically manage it. So this helped me so much. Like it took away so much mental space that I needed back in my life, you know. What are the simple differences between type 1 and type 2? I think just the management really. To how you manage it. Yeah. Yeah, but then equally, people with type 2 can also need, you know, a CGM like I've got and, you know, insulin sometimes if they've got it really bad. So type 1, you definitely need to inject insulin. That's the difference, I guess. And you getting diagnosed at 29, is that super unusual? Not that unusual?

31:03Like, you know, how common is that? I was told at the time it was quite unusual and that's why they didn't check for me having diabetes. Because would type 1 typically be something that's discovered in childhood? It used to be known as juvenile diabetes because it was known for that. But we are finding out more and more that that's not the case. And like anyone can get it. It is an autoimmune disease. So basically your body is attacking itself in some way. And the diabetes is the result of that. Exactly. My body's just attacked itself. And they don't really know why. Because sometimes it can be hereditary.

31:35Some people get it because maybe their families, no one in my family has it. So it was such a shock, honestly. Because there is a type that goes through families, and that would typically be type 1. I think both can be hereditary, type 1 and type 2. They can be, but they can also be individual to you. So they don't know why I've got it. What are some of the things that you read online that you find frustrating around education, around diabetes? I think the stereotype is you've done this to yourself. As in through lifestyle? yeah i think that is the stereotype isn't it i think when people think of diabetes they think you have got an unhealthy lifestyle you've done this to yourself and i think for me the reason why i talk about it so much is because i really want to break that stigma yes i really do like i feel like it's not fair for everyone type 2 and type 1 but you can just get it for no reason so in this because i've seen stuff on there you know people say oh you know hi there is a is it type 2 that can be brought on by a high sugar lifestyle i think maybe you can bring on diabetes yourself but maybe that's not always the case it's not always the case so it's like the people assuming that this is something that you have influenced in any way is so ignorant yeah it must be very hurtful it is yeah it is hurtful but i don't let it get to me because i know i know i didn't do this to myself although there are some times where like i blame myself was i highly stressed at the time did was that the reason but i know that i wasn't intentional like i wasn't actively like eating loads of bad food like i was really healthy um and there's so many people like that out there but there's so many things that happen to people you know like in the autoimmune world like i think of my sister of endometriosis like you know she has it so badly it's like what you know she's healthy she's active all these people doing all the right things done all the things like you know and she's read all the stuff online.

33:31People are like, you know, cut out gluten, cut out dairy. She's done it all. The endo is still there. It's very easy for people to be armchair experts. And I'm not poo-pooing a healthy lifestyle at all. But there are levels to this. I've recently cut out dairy for that reason. Because I'm like, I wonder if that might help, like help me feel better. But it's not like I think it's going to cure me. Those things don't cure you. It would just contribute to a healthier lifestyle. possibly you might feel better in yourself you might have more energy but it's not going to make your autoimmune disease just go away because that's for life yeah one in five people actually have diabetes in the uk adults that's only adults so that's not even including children this is high yes 20 i think of the uk population have a type of diabetes that could be like pre diabetes yes type 2 type 1 and all the in-betweens because there's so many types that i can't i don't even know how many there are but that's why i think having this conversation the work you're doing with Diabetes UK is so important because it's something we've all heard everyone's heard the word diabetes but so many people actually have a huge lack of knowledge around it and like you said that's why I think there's so much misinformation online and so much uh derogatory sort of conversation around it because people just don't understand it no people don't understand it and I think it is important to talk about it because also one in five people have it that means we all probably know someone with it even if they haven't told us so I think it's important to understand it so we can be you know and also like you like without scaremongering people you don't know what the future holds whether like a diagnosis could happen for you you never thought in your 20s that at 29 you'd have that diagnosis never did that even cross my mind because no one in my family has it so it was just so random yeah and you were fit healthy you're like why on earth would you think exactly this is something that's gonna happen to you yeah hopefully there'll be a cure in the future we're working on it i think and as you know the scientists are working on it I say we as if I'm working on a cure.

35:23Well, you're spreading awareness. I'm spreading awareness. They're working on a cure. It's very different. I mean, that would be incredible. Yeah. Had you had LC yet? Were you pregnant after? Diabetes. Yeah. I got diabetes five years ago. So, no. So, you got diagnosed with... Yeah. And then you had... Because also, type 1 diabetes can come on during pregnancy, can't you? I think people can get... I think it's called... I can't tell. Oh, gestational. Gestational. gestational that you get when you're pregnant yes yes that's the one you can get but then obviously it's not that a pregnancy can bring it on but maybe people were already going to have that got you and that's why they've been picked up with it you know were you nervous about managing diabetes free pregnancy or at that point were you you'd already kind of you'd learned the ropes of what you need to know what i didn't know anything about i was so ignorant and i'm really blessed that I was ignorant in a way because now I know how dangerous it can be actually and then when I went into my hospital team and I told them I was pregnant I was like I'm pregnant and they were like oh my goodness you should have told us we should have planned this and I was like don't I just need to plan this with my partner like no no no you need to plan it with us managing your diabetes yeah so it's a big thing um and obviously as soon as they found out I was pregnant they were like every week you have to come in we have to do more scans so obviously I had a really healthy baby girl and it's so doable like but it wasn't that long ago they told women you can't have kids if you have diabetes oh wow not like honestly not that long ago at all i think like 30 40 years ago and was that because they just didn't know how to help women manage it they didn't have the things that we have now to manage diabetes yes when you're you know possibly like you say like you have your phone by you and some snacks by you how do you do you have a lot of anxiety around the onset of a hypo?

37:13I do. I personally have a lot of anxiety about it. I can imagine. Yeah, because I think I've had bad ones. So I know how bad I can feel. And also like being in certain situations like going to a movie or something where you have to turn your phone off or you have to be quiet. I get so much anxiety because I'm like, what if my alarm goes off? What if I start beeping? And it's really hard to switch off from that. But I'm also like, no, but I know that my technology has got my back and I know that I'm going to be okay. Like I just need to like not worry about that. It's not my fault, you know. But I think that's a very human, very natural.