Deepak Chopra: How to Ask AI The RIGHT Questions To Grow, Heal, and Live a More Fulfilled Life

31:19It's like a child that's born. You can't return to the womb. So either you adjust, that's very Darwinian, you adapt or you become irrelevant. So now how do we adapt? How do we cope? But not only how do we cope, how do we make it sacred? I think that's the challenge that when you talk about grassroots, so many people today, because they're less aware of how to use things for good, most of us are consumers of what is created around us. As you said, we're having conversations with AI based on us not asking questions because we're unaware. I asked, I went to AI, I said, solve the Gaza problem for me.

32:00Create peace and prosperity in Gaza. 15 steps, all very practical. Resolve the conflict, create abundance on both sides, make everyone happy. The technologies are there. Who's interested? Children in Gaza and children in Israel. talk to the leaders, they're not interested because this is how they get power. So unless there's a critical mass of people shifting in consciousness, we are in trouble. Yeah, and the challenge is that a lot of us at the grassroots, most people are actually scared that AI is going to take their job. Yeah. So there's a fear of job displacement. No, I tell kids, and I actually, next time I come on your show, I'll show you a video game that I've created for children that gives them brownie points and they can buy more video games if they breathe, if they do yoga, if they activate their vagal nerve, if they use creativity.

32:56So you can take the mundane tasks for AI and you can unleash the creativity of the next generation. Tell us more about that. How do we use AI for creativity rather than feeling, like which jobs should be worried and what should they be thinking about? Okay, so let's look at the legal profession. contracts AI can take care of that better than any lawyer okay now the lawyers then have to take care of society by looking at the constitution by protecting the constitution they'll have a lot of work even litigation okay because AI can't do that for you as effectively as a creative lawyer AI can simulate creativity but it cannot have fundamental creativity because AI is built on algorithms and creativity is breaking the algorithm.

33:49That's what we call disruption. Okay, so actually, if we take even our children, we create video games for health, for longevity, for healing, for homeostasis. You know, when the calculator came out, people said, oh, that's going to get, you know, we won't need to do math. No, we improved on math. with AI we will improve and improvise new theorems in math because even in math you know Ramanujan the great Indian mathematician they used to ask him where do you get your theorems from and you know he was in Cambridge he would say the goddess Saraswati gives them to me and they'd all roll up their eyes Bertrand Russell thought he was crazy but he was flummoxed by him he didn't know how to handle this Indian guy was in his 20s and he was coming up with theorems that they couldn't prove, but they were true.

34:47So, you know, as we embark on this adventure with AI, we will also know the limitations of AI and how we can enhance our creativity with the tools AI gives us, but AI cannot have that creativity. Right. It never will. It never will. Yeah. Because it's not conscious. It's not conscious. Yes. Parking shouldn't slow you down. ParkWiz gives every driver a shortcut. Book ahead, save up to 50 % and skip the hassle of circling the block. Park smarter, park faster. ParkWiz. Download the ParkWiz app today and save every time you park. This week on a very special episode of Health Discovered, we're taking a closer look at a condition that affects hundreds of thousands of men each year, prostate cancer.

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36:29I think that's the question. It was really interesting. I was being asked, I was at a panel recently and people were asking me whether I believe AI will ever have a soul. And my response was, I don't think AI will ever have a soul, but I hope the people that are creating it have a soul. That's true. Because I think the challenge is that anything we create has the creator's flaws and the creator's weaknesses and impurities. You know, my AI was asked on CNN, what did you have for breakfast? He said, I don't really experience hunger. I don't have thirst. I don't have sex. I'm not worried about death.

37:04I'm a machine. Ask me anything, but don't ask me how I feel. Because that's an activity of the soul. Yeah, because I feel like that's also the version that we've seen made in movies and media, this idea that AI somehow gets to a point where it starts to, but those are all just - Super intelligent, but no soul. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Another challenge I wanted to speak to you about was that a lot of people are feeling that - AI, and not feeling, people have seen this, AI has the large language models, have a racial and gender bias. 100%. Yeah. Especially when I looked at medical research.

37:44Very interesting. All medical research is white males, not even white females. Forget about all the rest of the world. So there are now movements to rectify that. But yes, it has a gender bias. It has a racial bias. it has even a scientific bias because, you know, what we call selection bias in its answers, because it's based on mainstream physicalist science, which is being questioned right now. How do we then use large language models better for ourselves if we're people of color, women, what can you do in order to... There are movements now. I'm working with an Indian Caribbean person from the islands, from Jamaica, who's got a professorship at the University of Central Florida.

38:37And he's creating a whole research and AI-based models that are inclusive rather than exclusive. I hope that we start to see some shift and change. Oh, we are. Yeah, we are. You feel positive. I feel positive, notwithstanding the politics about DEI and this and that. Don't get involved in that. Just do what you need to do and hope that at some point that people will see that this isolationist, prejudiced world is not a good survival strategy for anyone. Yeah. Why have we not been convinced of that yet? I feel like we've seen... Fear. Fear. Fear of? fear of being diluted in the diversity of the world.

39:28You know, people have very fixed identities. I'm white, I'm Anglo-Saxon, I'm Catholic, or I'm Protestant. Don't threaten me. And that's true of any fundamentalist in any part of the world. I'm just giving you the bias here. But, you know, we see that bias everywhere. and that is a dangerous thing because if you understand what is called emergence, the science of emergence, they say there's no problem you cannot solve if you have shared vision, maximum diversity, supporting each other's strengths and creating an emotional and spiritual bond, there's no problem. I learned that as a physician. If I had a difficult patient, let's say difficult cancer patient and all the cancer specialists say, we don't know what to do with it.

40:19There's something in the medical profession called grand rounds. You take the patient, present the patient to everybody, not just the cancer specialists, endocrinologists, psychiatrists, storytellers, humanitarians, even poets, and you come up with a solution. So when you have maximum diversity, shared vision, complementing everybody's strengths and create an emotional bond, we solve every problem. And that's what digital technology can help us do. How? You bring together a problem. You said like the Gaza problem, or you bring together even poverty. How do we want to remove poverty? Poverty and peace are connected.

41:03We say peace and prosperity. So give me the technologies to create this here. Now, if you go to deepakshopra.ai, you can specifically say, I'm 45 years old. I'm ethnically an Indian. I lived in Britain for my lifetime. I am now doing this and this. I have a problem sleeping at night. And not only will my AI give you a personal solution, you can say, give me a meditation to sleep tonight. It'll give you a meditation. I'm having a problem with my relationship. It'll ask you, what's the problem? I'm not being heard. It'll give you a solution for your problem. So my AI is very personal for you. It's not just giving you information.

41:55What did it take for you to make it personal? What did that require so that it's different to a ChatGPT, for example? Lots of iterations, lots of it. And by the way, all the engineers are in India. so they also understand what I'm seeing. They're passionate about the project in Bangalore and they're as brilliant as any engineer anywhere but they also understand the philosophy. So that's what made it. Now it's in Hindi, it's in English, it's in Arabic because huge interest in the Arab world which was amazing to me and it's also in Spanish. But I think in two, three months we are having it in China and Russia as well.

42:39That's amazing. So let's say someone has that sleep issue. What kind of prompts would you suggest that they use to get the best out of Deepak? We just say, hey Deepak, I'm having a problem with sleep issues. Then it'll ask you, you know, what time do you go to sleep? Whatever, then you can say this. What time do you eat? What time did you wake up? And it'll give you some ideas. Then it'll say to you, Do you want a meditation for sleep? And it'll take you to yoga nidra, sleep yoga, whatever. And what about if someone has a relationship issue and they're coming saying, I'm thinking about getting divorced from my husband?

43:16It will talk you through it. It'll say, why? Is there a communication problem? Are you listening? Are you present in the relationship? You know, are you asking yourself questions like, what am I observing? What am I feeling? What do I need? How do I consciously communicate this need? It'll give you guidelines. And then you say, can you give me a meditation for conscious communication in my relationship? And create a meditation. Can we use AI to find love? Yes. How? How will it help? By teaching you how to be a loving person. You know, because that's how you find love. Yeah. I always had this vision and AI allows for it.

44:03Imagine if we all had a coach in our pocket that you could talk to at all times. It's a health coach. It's a mental coach. It's a spiritual coach. Yeah. And what are the mistakes you're seeing people make in using AI for personal growth or spirituality? What pitfalls or common challenges exist or blocks that exist? I think most people think that a solution is generic. It never is. You know, as a physician also, I had two patients, same disease, same diagnosis, same doctor, same age, same treatment. One person lives, one person dies. So you have to figure out what are called the hidden variables, which is your life.

44:45You know, everything from eating, breathing, digestion, metabolism, sensory experience, personal relationships, biological relationships, too much. but the AI can ask you the right questions and it can encourage you for the next prompt. Yeah, I feel like when you talk about the need for this grassroots movement for all of us to turn because the leaders... Well, this conversation expands that. Absolutely. No, absolutely. I feel like the challenge is we're so used to using ChatGPT and AI and everything for such basic questions. Which is good too. It's okay too. Yeah, why not? But I feel like how do you get to that point where we've realized that the power of what exists in our hands with such a tool and advice?

45:31I'll give you an example. You know, I came to the United States in 1970. And I had gotten married earlier. And my wife was pregnant. And I was an intern, the junior most person. And the chief of medicine calls me and he says, you know, I have bad news for you. Your wife has a disease called thalassemia. That's a fatal disease. I said, it's not possible. She's perfectly healthy. She is pregnant. And if she had this disease, she would be dead by now. So he said, come and look at the cells under the microscope. Now remember, this is 1970. There's no Google, nothing. So I look at the cells and they look thalassemia.

46:23But my wife is healthy. I can't figure it out. So I go to, this is New Jersey, small hospital. I go to New York. I spend two days in the New York library looking for thalassemia and thalassemia trait. So thalassemia is a disease and some people have the trait, but they don't have the disease because you need two parents to have the same trait to get the disease. What do I discover? That thalassemia exists along the exact route that Alexander the Great took to India from Macedonia all the way to India. People have thalassemia traits. So some ancestor of my wife was probably raped by a soldier 2 ,500 years ago.

47:14And that evidence is in her blood. It took me three days to discover that. Major discovery. You ask Chad GPT that question or any large language model, give you the answer in two seconds. Wow. So the speed of... What happened in that scenario? Well, I was reassured that there's nothing wrong. But I also told my wife that some Greek was messing around with your great, great, great, great grandmother. How does she react to that? Well, it's a historical fact. Yeah. The footprints of history are in your genes. You know, there's not even a single break of life from the first organisms. From 4 billion years to now, there's not a single break in the chain of existence, which is a miracle of existence.

48:03That really is a miracle. Yeah. If there was one break in the chain, 4 billion years, you wouldn't be here we wouldn't have this conversation yeah you know life is very it's remarkable to think about that it's just I wonder how quickly we got used you were saying like fire was almost one of the first technologies or tools we created I wonder how quickly we got bored of fire but I guess we didn't because it was so useful we see this is so interesting about human beings that they get so easily adjusted to the miracle of existence why do we exist? why are we here? what got us here and you know I asked Chachi GPD you know what is currently the theory of creation Big Bang I said went back what caused the Big Bang for the first time pause no cause can be ascribed to the Big Bang then I said what happened in the Planck epoch the Planck epoch is 10 to the power of minus 33 seconds after the Big Bang when there are no laws of physics I said, what happened in the Planck epoch?

49:10Don't know. This is chat GPT. I said, why is the universe so precisely mathematically fine-tuned for life, for consciousness, and for our being here? Don't know. I found 20 loopholes in the current cosmology of creation. 20 loopholes. Then I said, can you now reverse this? Can you begin with consciousness? as non-local, as, you know, Brahman, field of infinite possibilities that differentiates into experience. It hesitated for a split second, but then it pulled out all the data from Rig Veda, from here, from there. I was blown away. So... Parking shouldn't slow you down. ParkWiz gives every driver a shortcut.

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51:17Who have you shown this work to? Who have you shown these conversations to? I now post all this on videos on Instagram, but Instagram is very short, so I push a teaser, and then I push them to YouTube, and those who have the patience, they look at it, and it's getting attention. What about in terms of scientists and people like that? When you're having a conversation with Sam Altman, and he's obviously fascinated, as you said, about consciousness. He is totally on board. Because he's curious and inquisitive. There are some scientists, not mainstream scientists, but there are scientists. You should have him on your show.

51:49He's brilliant. His name is Don Hoffman. He's here at the University of California. Actually, he's in Los Angeles, close by, University of California, Irvine. so he for 25 years total physicalist and by the way his his the genius behind his work is an Indian guy called Chetan Prakash who was professor of mathematics in Cambridge or Oxford or something but now works with them the two are amazing Chetan Prakash so he struggled for 25 years to prove, because he's a brain scientist and he's a quantum physicist and mathematician, how the brain produces consciousness. 25 years later, one day he woke up and he said, you know, thinking how the brain produces consciousness is like Aladdin's lamp.

52:46You rub the lamp and the genie wakes up, conjures up the whole universe. So he gave up and he wrote a book, The Case Against Reality, which is a mathematical and quantum mechanical explanation for Maya or projection. And he was vilified. I supported him. I have 25 conversations with him on YouTube. Then a bunch of scientists started supporting him. And right now, he's a hot ticket in the world of science because if what he's saying and what Chetan Prakash is saying, it'll uproot the entire scientific paradigm and it'll make it better. Because if the universe is an immersive experience, then VR, XR, MR, immersive experiences, our technologies will extend our experience of virtual reality.

53:39We are already in a virtual reality. So right now, there are technologies, extended reality, immersive experience, where you can take a person with, say, burns, and you can give them a VR session, and the burns get healed. Inflammation goes away. This exists already? Already. Autism. You take a child, and you teach it emotional and social skills by giving the child an emotional experience with the child actually having normal features and emotionally engaged, and the neural networks start rewiring. So in about 10 years, doctors may not give you a prescription for pharmaceuticals. They're already talking about digiceuticals, Metastauticals And the future Of VR experience To treat heart disease Inflammation Cancer Autoimmune disease Eating disorders Autism It's all happening right now It is happening And you can check it out On the air Wow That's incredible I mean I had no idea Yeah When I'm hearing about all of this As always It's like you're fascinated Because you think about How much people's lives will improve 100 % But I think Every time there's improvement we also inherit all these new problems, right?

55:04You look at the chair. Because people are coming from fear. If they came from love, they would see the benefits of this. They're coming from fear. Is it fear or is it a sense of just almost not knowing what to focus on because our education doesn't really create a directional, like our education, when you were saying earlier, technology has moved so fast, but our understanding of the self has remained so amateur. And when you look at the education system, the education system hasn't caught up with technology either because the education system is still kind of trudging along. It is. So when the education system doesn't - That education which used to be in the Indian ashrams in the old age, you know, where students would go and be under a spiritual guide or a teacher, it's missing.

55:54Yeah. But what do we do? Because I feel like even the challenge that people have with ChatGPT or any platform is our education system doesn't teach us to ask good questions. No. We're always told to give the answer. That's what we're fixated on, is result, reward, the answer. And there are no answers. There are only questions. Right. But we're so bad at asking questions, yet AI requires us to be brilliant at asking questions. How do we get better at asking questions? We have to teach people to ask questions, you know. And we have to teach them how to live the questions. but then life provides the answers not a textbook life provides the answers you know as you were speaking I was thinking just I don't know why it came to me right now chapter 13 of the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna says I am the field and I am the knower of the field the field is Kshetra Kshetra Tragya and then the knower of the field the field is awareness and it modulates itself as mind intellect, ego, the five senses, the five motor organs, the five tanmatras, and the vital energy, and the universe.

57:06I was thinking that one chapter has the key to reality. Okay, and how do we, now these biosensors, which I'm wearing, they are actually extending my knowledge of self-awareness. but my body already knows, you know, if I'm doing something that I shouldn't be doing, I feel pain over here. If I eat the wrong food, I get indigestion. If I don't sleep at night, I'm messed up the next day. So my body is already the field of awareness and it's a biosensor. It's a biomotor and it's a biocomputer. The biocomputer is consciousness. The biomotor is the five motor organs, the biosensor is the five sensors.

57:54Now with this technology, I can extend it. I'm also wearing a BCG with blood sugar monitoring. Not that I have diabetes, but I can relate my metabolism to all this now and intervene right there through a video game or through visual or through an auditory experience or through some visual experience. I can do that. So actually, in the future, I'm really serious about this. And I met the R &D chiefs of the biggest pharmaceutical companies. So you guys, if you don't get into digi-ceuticals, metasuticals, immersive experiences, you'll be left behind. And some of these biggest pharmaceutical companies, now they have thousands of scientists looking at these new technologies.

58:43Yeah. I mean, how old are you again, Deepak, you said? 78 plus. Yeah, it's amazing. It's incredible. You're vibrant and energetic. I love what I do. Yeah, it's amazing. It comes across naturally. And you were saying that longevity, obviously, as we've seen in the world, has become such a big talking point. But they're not addressing the real longevity solutions. What is the real longevity solution? Consciousness as the regulator of your biology. Time is the consumer and we are its food. How do we slow down the metabolism of time? How do you use every sensory experience to heal ourselves? Whether it's sound and now, oh, you can go on, but you can go on chat, Chibitri too, and say, how do mantras work?

59:30It'll give you the right answer. Okay, do mantras change genetic activity? Yes, they do. So this is a revolution right now because in the past you'd say, oh, this is hocus pocus. Here's the evidence. what is happening in genetic. And very few people are identifying that, but this technology will find those people. There's a scientist from India called Anirban Bandopadhyay, who's from Bihar. He went to IIT in some little place. There are many IITs in India now. So in a place called Mandi in Himachal Pradesh. He's now the chief scientific officer for a very big outfit in Japan. And he's totally on board on consciousness and how the brain is like a computer interface.

1:00:27So the consciousness uses the brain to give you access to experience. Just like I can go on my desktop computer and I don't need to know how it works. I press amazon.com, it gives me a way to shop. So the brain is like that computer interface. And these neural correlates are little symbolic, you might say, symbols that you can use to plug in to the bigger reality. So I'm going to India just to meet this guy because he's brilliant and he's in Japan. But he's questioning Nobel laureates at the moment. And he's brilliant, absolutely. and you see you have to have a cultural background to explore all this because you know when you speak to scientists who totally brought up in the materialistic paradigm reductionists they roll their eyes they say what are you talking about this is nonsense but what do you think it's going to take for those individuals to actually open up their minds the science the science do you think though that we can even measure some of this with science like is it even possible to see it you can't measure the experience, but you can measure the symbolic correlate of the experience as what is called the neural correlate of experience.

1:01:46You can see what they call pattern recognition. Okay, so the brain has a pattern recognition to an experience. It's like your desktop with 20 or 30 or in this case, infinite symbols that you can plug into to get the experience. Right, right. Fascinating. It is fascinating. It is fascinating. But because we have a common language, I can understand the ease with which, you know. But when I think about people who don't have that, it becomes so hard to wrap your head around even the possibility. Yeah, and ultimately it's still a mystery. You know, we know how to use, you know, just like we know how to use computers.

1:02:31without knowing what's happening in the belly of the computer that you leave to the engineers. But we can still use a computer. That's what we need to do. You can fly a plane as a pilot without knowing how the airplane works. So that's all we need to use the technology because ultimately what we call consciousness is such an infinite mystery that in the end you have to surrender to it. You know, the fifth niyama, which is surrender to the divine, Ishwar Pranidhana. Surrender, because you won't be able to solve it. You know, what's his name? Freeman Dyson, one of the greatest physicists of all times, Princeton, before that, Cambridge.

1:03:16He said, God is what the mind becomes when you can't figure it out. When it processes, it goes beyond the threshold of your comprehension. you have to surrender to the mystery. Yeah. What is the, if someone's really interested in self-realization, they're really fascinated by the conversation you're having. My next book. What do you have? It's called Awakening. Oh, wow. Okay, perfect. The Path to Freedom and Enlightenment. I'll come to you. Oh, please. I love that. Now I was going to ask you, what's the first question they should ask AI? Who am I? Who am I? Then they should go, you know, all the way.

1:03:54Like Ramana Maharishi did. You know, am I the body? Or am I the awareness in which the body is a changing experience? Am I the mind? All the way. This was, these days it's been called the direct method, but it was popularized by an Indian teacher called Atmanan Krishnamenan, but it's ancient. It's there in the Vedic literature. And right now it's been called the direct method, and yoga and all the other methods are called the progressive method. that direct means you question, what is this? Well, the human construct is, this is a glass of water. Okay, what else is it? It's an object. But before you can call it an object, it's an experience.

1:04:41Where is the experience happening? Not in the brain. There's no photo of this in your brain. Okay, so where is it happening? Consciousness. Where is consciousness? Don't know. Why don't you know? Because it doesn't have a form. So this is an experience happening in the infinite. The infinite is present in every finite experience. God is not difficult to find. God is impossible to avoid. It's in everything that you see, you need consciousness. And that consciousness is infinite. So every finite experience is based on the presence of the infinite. This is the direct method. It's a reflection. it's called Atma Vichar and it leads to what is called Atma Darshan but that's very deep for most people it's too much Deepak, what have I not asked you today that I should have asked you?

1:05:39No, I think you asked me a lot I was going to ask ChatGPT right now I'm going to say what questions should I ask Deepak about AI and spirituality I'm doing this live and in real time not part of our original prep it says if you're having a conversation with Deepak Chopra about AI and spirituality you might want to explore how he views the intersection of technology and consciousness which we did and it says how do you see AI influencing human consciousness and spirituality in the coming years we talked about that I believe in your view can artificial intelligence ever truly achieve consciousness or a sense of self-awareness you said no so we talked about that do you think AI could be used to enhance spiritual practices such as meditation, self-awareness?

1:06:23You said yes, we talked about that. How do you reconcile the rapid development of AI with spiritual concepts of mindfulness, presence? Yeah, we've heard a lot of it. Yeah, it feels good. We did a good job. I'm trying to see if there's anything that we missed here that we didn't ask you. No. It's amazing. It's pretty fun, yeah. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. It's pretty phenomenal. But Deepak, I'm always in awe of how you found a way to take the teachings of the East so far and so deep and now to take it all the way through to AI. This is India's contribution to the world. It really is. We never conquered through violence, but our culture is taking over the world, whether it's Bollywood or it's cuisine or it's fashion or it's philosophy or it's spirituality.

1:07:13This is the way to influence the world. As you know, there's a Sanskrit expression, Vasudev Kutumbukam. The world is our family. Yeah, absolutely. The book is called Digital Dharma. Of course, head over to Deepak Chopra.ai. We'll be putting a code for anyone who wants to use it as well. Deepak, as always, you've blown my mind. You've expanded my consciousness. You make me proud of the culture I was fortunate enough to study and deeply look at in my time. And thank you so much for doing all the incredible work you are. Thank you for being a pioneer and leading the way for your generation. Thank you so much.

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