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Podcast Notes: On Purpose with Jay Shetty - Episode: If You’re Going Through a Breakup, Listen To This
Overview
- Podcast Title: On Purpose with Jay Shetty
- Host: Jay Shetty
- Episode Title: If You’re Going Through a Breakup, Listen To This
- Episode Description: This episode addresses the emotional turmoil following a breakup, framing the experience as grief rather than weakness.
Key Themes
- Understanding Grief: Breakups trigger grief, activating neural pathways similar to physical pain.
- Reframing Loss: Loss is not just about losing a partner, but also about losing a vision of the future and the routines tied to that relationship.
- Emotional Stages: Jay outlines five stages of grief that one might experience during a breakup.
Key Takeaways
- Grief as a Biological Process
- Breakups activate the same brain pathways as physical pain and withdrawal.
- Experiencing grief is normal and expected; it is not a sign of failure.
- The Five Stages of Breakup Grief
- Stage 1: Shock and Denial
- Characterized by numbness and disbelief.
- It's a protective mechanism to help cope with overwhelming emotions.
- Stage 2: Bargaining and Obsession
- Ruminating on what could have been done differently.
- Writing down obsessive thoughts can help clarify feelings.
- Stage 3: Anger and Protest
- Anger is a sign of self-respect returning.
- Healthy expression of anger is important; avoid using it to reconnect with the ex-partner.
- Stage 4: Sadness and Depression
- Feelings of emptiness and loss are common.
- Requires self-compassion and time; friendships are vital during this stage.
- Stage 5: Acceptance and Meaning
- Acceptance doesn’t mean approval; it’s about acknowledging reality.
- This stage involves reflection and understanding lessons learned from the experience.
- Healthy Coping Strategies
- Establish small routines to create a sense of normalcy.
- Engage in physical activity to channel anger positively.
- Set boundaries to protect your emotional healing.
- Resist the urge to rush through the grieving process.
- Rebuilding and Moving Forward
- Healing is about integrating the experience and moving towards growth.
- It's crucial to recognize that the end of a relationship is a transition, not a permanent loss of self.
- Future relationships can be approached with more wisdom and self-respect.
Conclusion
- Jay emphasizes the importance of being gentle with oneself during this challenging time.
- Emphasizes that this chapter will eventually become part of one’s story, contributing to personal strength and wisdom.
Additional Notes
- Encouragement: Lean on supportive friends and family; avoid isolating oneself.
- Reflection: After processing the grief, consider what has been learned and how to grow from the experience.
Call to Action
- Be mindful of your healing journey; it's a personal process that can't be rushed.
- Reach out or share this episode with someone currently going through a breakup to provide support.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Grief in Breakups
1:59 to 3:19
Exploration of the emotional pain and grief experienced after a breakup.
“You're not dramatic for feeling this deeply.”
Phases of Grief During Breakup
3:19 to 4:34
Walking through the stages of grief faced during a breakup.
“I want you to know that there are certain phases, certain experience, certain emotions that you are going to go through.”
Loss of Future and Identity
4:34 to 5:31
Discussion on losing an imagined future and identity during breakups.
“The stages of grief were first identified by psychiatrist Elizabeth Kubler-Ross while studying patients facing terminal illness.”
Grieving Daily Routines and Emotional Regulation
5:31 to 7:09
Understanding how breakups disrupt daily routines and emotional support.
“what they will look like, and what your life will look like.”
Understanding Withdrawal After a Breakup
7:09 to 8:35
Explaining the biological process of withdrawal from an emotional bond.
“the sound of their voice, their scent, their touch, being with them.”
Stages of Shock and Denial
8:35 to 9:42
Explaining the first stage of grief: shock and denial after a breakup.
“And withdrawal is not a mindset problem.”
Coping Strategies for Shock and Denial
9:42 to 13:19
Offering practical advice for coping with shock and denial in breakups.
“I'm pretty sure you all know what this feels like.”
Navigating Life-Altering Decisions After a Breakup
17:15 to 20:09
Understand the emotional process and challenges of making decisions post-breakup.
“When someone breaks up with us, we're thinking, wait a minute, maybe I need to move city.”
The Stages of Grief: Bargaining and Memory
20:10 to 23:00
Learn about the bargaining stage of grief and how it affects memory and decision making.
“It's really hard to question a thought in your head.”
Processing Anger and Self-Respect
23:01 to 25:59
Explore the role of anger in the healing process and its connection to self-respect.
“Sometimes explosive, sometimes quiet, sometimes delayed, right?”
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Understanding Sadness and the Importance of Friendship
26:00 to 28:05
Recognize the significance of sadness in processing grief and the role of friendships.
“It's almost like if you're doing a triathlon, you know you're gonna have to run, you know you're gonna have to cycle and you know you're gonna have to swim and you'll know the order.”
Navigating the Breakup Stages
28:05 to 29:30
Learn about the important emotional stages you experience during a breakup.
“It requires you to be the kindest, most graceful, most compassionate towards yourself.”
Finding Meaning in Pain
29:30 to 30:49
Discover how to reflect on your experiences and learn from them post-breakup.
“Acceptance doesn't mean you approve of what happened.”
Healing and Moving Forward
30:49 to 32:48
Understand the process of healing and why it’s crucial for your future relationships.
“This is where the past stops defining the present.”
Transcript
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2:11Jay Shetty:You're not dramatic for feeling this deeply. And you're not failing at love because it hurts. What you're experiencing is grief. And most people don't realize this, but breakups don't just hurt emotionally. They activate the same neural pathways as physical pain and addiction withdrawal. Brain imaging studies from neuroscientist Helen Fisher show that romantic rejection activates the brain's reward system in the same way substance withdrawal does. That's why your thoughts feel obsessive. That's why your body feels restless or exhausted That's why logic doesn't seem to help I'm sure so many of you right now If you've been through a breakup Are wondering why does my brain feel foggy?
2:59Jay Shetty:Why can't I just go back to work? Why can't I deal with the same conversations like I was before? And here's the truth You're not just heartbroken Your nervous system is grieving the loss of an attachment So today, I want to walk you through the stages of grief after a breakup Not as a straight line, not as something to rush, but as a map One of the biggest challenges when you go through a problem, a challenge, a difficulty like this Is you don't know what the next step looks like You don't know what the next month looks like Maybe your friends are talking to you about dating again Maybe some other friends are talking to you about never dating again maybe your ex keeps showing up in your life somehow and it all just feels like a mess.
3:45Jay Shetty:I want you to know that there are certain phases, certain experience, certain emotions that you are going to go through. And because you know they're around the corner, because you know they're going to happen, you can feel comfortable in the uncertainty. You can take this discomfort and you can walk through with a bit more grace, bit more ease and a bit more support. Mainly so that you can stop judging yourself and start healing without abandoning yourself. One of the biggest mistakes we make during a breakup is we talk down to ourself, we're critical of ourselves, we get into blaming, shaming and guilting ourselves.
4:28It's natural, but I wanna help you move through it
4:31Jay Shetty:a little more gracefully. Here's the core reframe, what grief actually is. The stages of grief were first identified by psychiatrist Elizabeth Kubler-Ross while studying patients facing terminal illness. But decades of research since then, including work in attachment psychology, have shown that these stages also apply to any deep emotional loss, including breakups. Because a breakup isn't just the loss of a person, it's the loss of a future you imagined. Let me say that again. It's the loss of a future you imagined. When you're dreaming up a future with someone, when you're thinking about your wedding day, when you're thinking about moving in together, when you're thinking about what that future looks like, you now create an attachment to a vision in your mind.
5:24Jay Shetty:I know that sounds kind of interesting, but it's true. You built up an identity of what you will look like, what they will look like, and what your life will look like. The future you that you imagine together The future you imagined for yourself Is what's being taken away You're also grieving daily emotional regulation Maybe they messaged you every day when you woke up Maybe you called them every night before you went to bed Maybe you saw them for a day every Friday or Saturday or whatever it was Maybe when you were stressed they were the person you went to There's a daily emotional regulation that now needs to be replaced And in the beginning, it just feels like it's been snatched away.
6:06Jay Shetty:It feels like it's been taken away. It feels like the rug has been pulled from underneath your feet and you're just falling. That daily emotional regulation is something you're grieving because it's a loss you haven't yet discovered a substitute for. See, at different stages in our life, different things emotionally regulate us. When we grow up, it's hopefully our caregivers. could be our siblings, our friends. But when you're in a romantic relationship, there's almost an over-reliance in the emotional regulation you experience from that person. You're also grieving routines your nervous system depended on, right?
6:45Jay Shetty:Those routines could be anything from, well, this was our favorite show we watched together. That was our favorite restaurant we went to. This was the place that we first connected, right? Whatever it means, we have these routines and what happens is our body and our biology and our mind get used to these routines, right? We get used to taking the same route to work every day. You get used to talking to the same person every day, the sound of their voice, their scent, their touch, being with them. You are grieving that. You're going through the transition of that. What I want to tell you is that there will come a day when you won't feel that way.
7:24Jay Shetty:There will come a day when that person may even feel like a stranger. One day your ex, the person you were most intimate with who left you, will actually feel like a stranger. I know right now they feel like someone who knows you better than anyone. Someone that you gave everything to. But you only gave them this version of you and a new version of you will arise. What you're grieving is a version of yourself that existed with them. We think we've lost all of ourselves. We think we're completely confused. We think we've given ourselves away, but the reality is it was only this version. You have been so many versions of yourself up until this point in life.
8:09Jay Shetty:You've had friends at college that you're no longer connected to. You had friends in elementary school that you no longer see. There was a version of you that lived through all of that and you transformed, you evolved, you changed. So here's the reframe. you're not getting over someone. I really don't like that language. When are you going to get over them? Why am I not over them yet? You're withdrawing from an emotional bond. And withdrawal is not a mindset problem. It's a biological process, right? I really want you to understand that sometimes we think, what's wrong with my head? What's wrong in my mind?
8:45Jay Shetty:Why can't I just move on from this? And it's biology, it's chemical. So let's walk through the stages honestly and carefully. If you're missing them most at night, it's not because they were perfect. It's because your nervous system got used to them being there. You're not lonely because they're gone. You feel lonely because they provided regulation and that can be rebuilt slowly without them. Remember this, you're not missing them, you're missing the future you thought you were building together. You're not missing them, you're missing the routine your nervous system got used to. You're not missing them, you're missing the way they made the future feel safe.
9:32Jay Shetty:Remember, you're not missing them. Let's talk about the stages of grief. The first is shock and denial. I'm pretty sure you all know what this feels like. You're probably experiencing it right now. There's a part of you that's shocked. How could you leave me? How could you break up with me? I gave so much to this relationship. Wait a minute, I should have been the one to give it up. I worked so hard. I put so much energy into this and you walked away? Wait, I'm shocked. I always thought that you loved me. I thought you told me that we had something special. I'm shocked. I thought that we were gonna spend the rest of our lives together.
10:12Jay Shetty:Wait, I'm shocked because I thought if anyone was gonna leave, it was going to be me. Why I'm shocked because you treated me badly, but you're the one leaving me. I'm sure you've said some of these things, heard some of these things, felt some of these things. The first stage is shock, often paired with denial. This can show up as numbness, calmness that feels strange, saying I'm okay and meaning it temporarily. What's interesting is that people think denial means pretending it didn't happen. But psychologically, denial is your nervous system saying, this is too much all at once. Sometimes your nervous system won't allow you to feel the extent of the pain, to feel the extremities of the difficulty because it would just be all too much.
11:04Jay Shetty:So you're somewhat allowing it to just be there. You're allowing it to just exist. And you're thinking, I'm okay actually. but really it's your emotions just not allowing them to come to the surface because your body and brain and everything are trying to help you survive. Research shows emotional shock temporarily dampens pain to prevent overwhelm. So if you feel disconnected or unreal, that's not avoidance, that's protection, right? A lot of us feel, wait, I should be feeling more pain. I should be crying, I can't cry. I should be experiencing so much pain but I'm not. there's nothing wrong with you.
11:43Jay Shetty:That's how your mind and body protects itself. It doesn't want you to be overexposed to all those emotions and feelings right now. There'll come a time when you can actually deal with them properly, right? It's almost like saying that if you saw a fire, you would just run from that area. You wouldn't stay in that area and try and figure out why it happened, where it started, what's going wrong. You'd run away. And then when the fire cooled down, you'd come back to check on what happened. It's protection. So what helps in this stage? If you're in this stage right now, here are a few things I encourage you to do, no matter how hard they are.
12:17Jay Shetty:The first is basic routines. After a bit of withdrawal, it's good to get back to work. It's good to be able to go and attend the gym. It's good to be able to see friends regularly. The idea of creating routine is healthy because what it does is it allows you to forget and remove and distance yourself from the routine you had before. The next is eating regularly. It's just good biologically, just eating regularly. Sleeping when you can. This one's so important. So many people, when they're in shock and denial, avoid sleep. They can't sleep. Allowing yourself to rest, giving yourself grace for what you've gone through is extremely important.
12:58Now, what hurts you is forcing emotional breakthroughs.
13:03Jay Shetty:You're like, I can't cry, I wanna cry. I should be feeling pain. I should be mad. I should be angry. You shouldn't have to be anything. You can experience shock and denial. And what you'll find is when you allow yourself to experience it, your body and mind will tell you when. Have you noticed that when you have a wound, the first day you have to attend to it, you might put some, you know, ointment on it. You might put some essential oils, whatever you use, and your body learns to heal itself over time. You don't have to keep looking at it every day. You might put a plaster on it or a bandage on the first day or the band-aid.
13:39Jay Shetty:But after that, you're not looking at it. You don't have to think about it all the time. You don't have to force healing. You don't have to force an emotional breakthrough. Your body and mind help you along the way.
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17:14Jay Shetty:The other thing that hurts is making life-altering decisions. When someone breaks up with us, we're thinking, wait a minute, maybe I need to move city. Maybe I need to move home. Maybe I need to quit my job and pursue my passion. Maybe I need to change my whole life. We start thinking about these life-altering decisions because in some way, it's again protection. It makes us feel better. We're dealing with something so much bigger. But the chances are in that raised emotional dichotomy, it's very hard to make good decisions. Your best decisions are not made when you're angry. Your best decisions are not made when you're sad and upset Your best decisions are not made when you're not thinking clearly They're made when you feel a little peace When you feel a little centered And you feel a little distance from what caused you pain Don't force yourself to make big decisions after a big challenge Stage two is bargaining and obsession This is the stage people confuse with overthinking or rumination or procrastination.
18:24Jay Shetty:But clinically, this is bargaining. Your mind replays conversations, rereads messages, imagines alternate endings. Why? Because the brain is trying to restore attachment. Bargaining is like, if I did this, we could have had this. maybe if I didn't say this I would have saved the relationship maybe if I acted this way we'd still be together maybe if I wasn't so annoying and so needy we'd still be with each other that's what bargaining looks like you're bargaining negotiating with yourself thinking about all the things you could have done studies show that after romantic loss the brain increases rumination as an unconscious attempt to regain control and proximity.
19:15Jay Shetty:This is where your thoughts sound like, if I had said that differently, they'd still be here. Maybe we could still fix this. I just need closure, right? So we start bargaining. And the challenge with this phase is that it feels real. It really feels like if you did that one thing, they'd still be here. When you know that's not the case, but you can't access that. Your subconscious can't access that. Your subconscious is convincing you that you're absolutely right. If you did that one thing or didn't do that one thing, you'd still be with them. This is probably one of the toughest stages to get through.
19:49Jay Shetty:And I'm really glad that we're talking about it after the first stage, because it's the stage that can feel the longest. It's the stage that can feel the hardest. You tell all your friends, look, I really feel I could have made it work. And they're looking at you like, you're crazy. What's wrong with you? Right? You keep playing it over and over in your head for days. You're looking at pictures, you're looking at social media, and you're thinking, wait a minute, why are they with that person like I thought they liked me for those reasons and maybe I was just too annoying maybe I asked for too much maybe I needed too much here's the truth closure doesn't come from answers it comes from accepting the loss of the bond here's what helps here writing thoughts down instead of replaying them when you replay thoughts in your head they all feel real when you write down thoughts, you can actually question them.
20:41Jay Shetty:It's really hard to question a thought in your head. If you're replaying in your head, if I did that, they'd still be here and then this would happen, it all makes sense. When you write it down and you read it out to yourself, you might even look at it and go, that's bizarre. That's absolutely crazy. I can't believe I thought that. I want you to really ask yourself to write down what you're thinking. Write down your most repeated thoughts, read them out to yourself and recognize the flaws that they hold. Another thing that can help is reducing contact and checking behaviors. A lot of the time, we're reading old messages.
21:14Jay Shetty:Delete them. A lot of the time, we're looking at their social media profile. Block it. It helps to have distance at a time when you're thinking about all the things you could have, should have, would have done. It's good to have distance. And it's also healthy to recognize that this is a phase you're gonna have to go through. You will negotiate, but know that your negotiation doesn't mean that it's valid. It's important to name what's happening. This is withdrawal because here's what's really going on. You're not stuck, you're detoxing. If you keep remembering only the good moments, remember this.
21:55Jay Shetty:Your brain edits memories during loss. It highlights comfort and hides pain. Healing begins when you remember the whole truth, not the highlight reel. Again, to protect us, the brain just keeps thinking of all the good times, all the amazing moments. And so now when you're negotiating, when you're ruminating, when you're overthinking, when you're bargaining, you're only bargaining based on the highlights. You're forgetting everything they did wrong. You're thinking, actually, yeah, they did show me flashes of greatness, beauty, attraction, romance. And you're forgetting the time they ignored you.
22:32Jay Shetty:You're forgetting the time that they weren't emotionally available. When someone breaks up with you, it's so easy to just remember the good times. But you forget the time that they ignored you. You forget the time that they weren't emotionally available. You forget the time that they put you down in front of your friends. Just because your mind only remembers the good things doesn't mean that relationship was meant to last. Don't get lost in the highlight reel and remember the truth. Stage three is anger and protest. Something shifts. Anger appears. Aggression is back. Sometimes explosive, sometimes quiet, sometimes delayed, right?
23:16Jay Shetty:I think we think anger is just like this brute force. Sometimes anger can be boiling inside. You're quieter. You're scarier. Anger is not regression. I think a lot of us feel if I'm angry again, I've gone backwards, not realizing that if you go back to stage one, that's why these stages are important. When you go back to stage one, you never felt angry because you were protecting yourself. So that's why when we feel anger later, we go, oh no, no, I'm going worse. I'm going in the wrong direction. And that's the biggest mistake. We think we're not improving. We think we're not evolving. We think we're going backwards because we feel angry.
23:52Jay Shetty:But the reality is your body was waiting for you to have space to feel this. Your body and mind were waiting to give you permission to feel anger in a safe way. Anger is not moving backwards. In grief research, anger is understood as self-respect returning. Let me say that again. In grief research, anger is understood as self-respect returning. It sounds like that wasn't okay. You're finally saying to yourself, actually, yeah, the way I was treated wasn't okay. You're not bargaining anymore. you're actually realizing I deserve so much better. I don't want to settle. I can't believe I was going to settle for that.
24:36Jay Shetty:I can't believe I was accepting less than I deserve. You start to acknowledge, I ignored things I shouldn't have. And sometimes you get mad at yourself for thinking, wait, why was I bargaining, right? Why was I actually not mad earlier? I should have been mad before. And now the mistake is I should have been mad before. I'm actually going backwards and I want to give them a piece of my mind. This is the point at which most of you want to text that person or pick up the phone to them or get your friend to phone them and have a go at them, right? This is that moment. And you want to recognize you're fair to feel your anger.
25:09Jay Shetty:You're valid to feel your anger. But it's all happening in the right order. It's all happening at the right pace. It's happening for you. Anger scares people because they think it makes them bitter. but research shows healthy anger speeds recovery when it's expressed safely. Expressed safely means you'll share it with a therapist, you'll share it with a coach, you'll share it with a friend, you're not sharing it in a text to that person. I think the biggest challenge we have here is we're judging ourself for being angry. We're either thinking I should have been angry earlier, I should have been angry at them or I'm being angry now and it's too late.
25:48Jay Shetty:It's not too late. Everything is moving in the direction that it needs to. That's why I want you to really stay till the end of this episode so that you can hear all the phases so that you're not harsh on yourself when you're going through it. It's almost like if you're doing a triathlon, you know you're gonna have to run, you know you're gonna have to cycle and you know you're gonna have to swim and you'll know the order. But if when you're swimming, you're wondering, wait, why am I swimming right now? I don't wanna be swimming, I should be cycling. It doesn't work that way. What helps here is movement, channeling that anger physically.
26:21Jay Shetty:The other is boundaries, setting boundaries as to how you want to communicate with that person and how you're going to avoid communicate with them to be honest. Honesty really helps. Honesty with yourself, honesty with others. Because up until now, you've been bargaining with your own honesty. But here's what hurts. Shaming yourself for anger. That's what holds you back. Using anger to reattach through conflict. or now I need to connect with them to tell them how I feel. Let anger inform you, not define you. This is why I really want you to listen to the next phase because this might be where you're at.
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26:58Jay Shetty:Stage four is sadness and depression. This is the stage most people recognize. The heaviness, the emptiness, the tears that arrive without warning. I think a lot of us try and speed up to this point. We kind of skip the other stuff. we're trying to ignore it and that actually makes the stage harder it's easier when you get to stage four having allowed yourself to go through the stages neuroscience explains why after breakups levels of dopamine and oxytocin the chemicals linked to pleasure and bonding drop significantly so this sadness isn't just emotional it's chemical and this is why motivation disappears right you start to feel like what's the meaning of my life what's the point am I ever gonna find love joy feels distant you're thinking I can't remember the last time I was happy can't remember the last time I laughed I can't remember the last time I smiled everything feels slower you think god I can't believe it's only been a month and here's what matters sadness means you're processing reality, not avoiding it.
28:08Jay Shetty:And this stage requires rest. It requires you to be the kindest, most graceful, most compassionate towards yourself. This is the phase that requires friendship. And we've got to avoid pushing our friends away in some of these stages because sometimes we can take it out on them. You can be angry at them for how they're dealing with it, as opposed to just figuring out how you deal with it. And we all do that. It's natural. But friendship is so important at this stage. When you're going through a breakup, productivity isn't important. A timeline isn't important. Pressure isn't important. You don't move on.
28:47Jay Shetty:You move through. And if you're scared you'll never love like this again, I want to say something to you. You're right. You'll love differently. You don't want to fall in love like this again because then you'll fall out of love like this again. You want to fall in love differently with more wisdom, more boundaries, more self-respect and that kind of love that lasts. So many of us don't allow ourselves to move forward because we think what we had is the best, the epitome, the greatest version of it. Not realizing that everyone who has come before us has found love that was better, different and an upgrade.
29:30Jay Shetty:Stage five is acceptance and meaning. Acceptance doesn't mean you approve of what happened. It means you stop fighting reality. This stage is called meaning making in modern grief psychology. This is where you begin asking, what did this teach me? So it's so interesting, isn't it? When you go through a breakup, you might even have a friend who says to you, what did you learn from this? This is stage five, not stage one. When you're going through pain, you don't have to learn from it in that moment. You learn from it when you're reflecting. Ray Dalio once said to me, pain plus reflection equals progress.
30:11Jay Shetty:But when you do that reflection is so important, you'll get to it at some point. You can be grateful for what was left after what happened to you. When you have some distance, you can start asking questions like, what did this teach me? What do I want to do differently moving forward? Who am I becoming now? Sometimes people say, just get busy in your hobbies and your passions and interests. You can't really think about that till stage five. Research shows people who integrate meaning after loss experience post-traumatic growth, not just recovery. Notice the difference. You don't just want to recover, you want to grow.
30:49Jay Shetty:This is where your identity stabilizes. This is where self-trust returns. This is where the past stops defining the present. Here's the reframe. Healing doesn't mean it didn't hurt. Healing means it didn't destroy you. Healing doesn't mean it didn't affect your self-confidence. Healing means it helped you build self-respect. Healing doesn't mean you didn't have boundaries. Healing means you'll have better ones next time Here's what actually helps Across all stages, research consistently shows these things help No contact or low contact speeds emotional recovery Routine calms the nervous system Talking without rehearsing the story That's processing versus just replaying And resisting idealization memory is always biased toward the good times and this is crucial you don't heal by erasing the love you heal by releasing the attachment you don't heal by blocking the other person you heal by setting the right boundaries you don't heal by pushing yourself through You heal by processing each stage as it comes If you're going through a breakup It's proof you loved deeply One day this won't be the center of your life It will be a chapter A teacher A turning point And the way you treat yourself now Will shape the love you experience next Stay with yourself This ending is not the end of you Remember I'm forever in your corner I'm always rooting for you I hope you'll pass this on to someone else Who's gone through a breakup Or a difficult time No matter what stage they're in Or phase they're in And I hope this helps them through Thank you for listening and watching Make sure you subscribe to never miss an episode I'll see you on the next one If you loved this episode You're going to love my conversation With Matthew Hussey On how to get over your ex And find true love in your relationships Make a list of the things that are truly important for you to find in a partner and then be that list.
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34:04Jay Shetty:That's what makes EVs worth considering. Less to break, less to fix. Even if you haven't made the move yet, it's hard to ignore the shift. They're more affordable, more available, and honestly, just makes sense for everyday life. The way forward is electric. Learn more at electricforall.org. We spend so much time managing stress and wellness, but sometimes it's the unseen things around us that throw us off, like allergens hiding in the air we breathe at home. That's where Clorox Pure Allergen Neutralizer Daily Air Spray comes in. Developed with allergists, it neutralizes common household allergens like pollen, dust mite matter, and pet dander right where they can linger most, in the air.
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From the publisher
If a breakup has ever left you feeling physically sick, emotionally lost, and not feeling like yourself, nothing is wrong with you. You’re grieving.
Today, Jay speaks directly to anyone navigating the quiet devastation of heartbreak, reminding them that nothing is “wrong” with them for feeling the way they do. He explains that breakups don’t just hurt emotionally, they activate the same neural pathways as physical pain and withdrawal. What you’re experiencing isn’t weakness or failure; it’s grief. Jay reframes the end of a relationship not simply as losing a person, but as losing a future you imagined, the routines your nervous system depended on, and the version of yourself that existed within that relationship.
Jay walks us through the five stages of breakup grief, showing how numbness is a form of protection, why the mind gets stuck in rumination after loss, and how anger can signal the return of self-respect. Rather than rushing to “move on,” he encourages simple practices like building small routines, writing down obsessive thoughts, setting boundaries, and resisting the highlight reel your mind creates that makes you only remember the good. The stages aren’t a straight line, but a map that helps you move through uncertainty with more grace and self-compassion.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How to Rebuild Your Routine After a Breakup
How to Break the Cycle of Rumination
How to Express Anger in a Healthy Way
How to Set Boundaries That Protect Your Healing
How to Move Through Sadness Without Rushing It
How to Create Meaning After Loss
Be gentle with yourself in this season. Lean on the people who show up for you. Rebuild your routines slowly. One day, this chapter will no longer be the center of your story, it will be the turning point that makes you wiser, stronger, and more secure in who you are.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
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What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
02:19 Biggest Mistake Made During a Break Up
02:34 You’re Actually Experiencing Grief
07:40 Stage #1: Shock and Denial
10:12 2 Ways to Overcome the Shock
12:58 Stage #2: Bargaining and Obsession
17:45 Stage #3: Anger and Protest
21:49 Stage #4: Sadness and Depression
24:33 Stage #5: Acceptance and Meaning
26:24 This is How You Heal
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