Michael B. Jordan: How to Connect with Your Intuition & Focus on Your Path

34:26Yeah. That, that, that intuition that, that North Star is what is something that has led me all types of places that I wouldn't trade in for the world. you know just that feeling of this feels right and i know does it make sense probably there's probably some other things on paper that that seems like the better option or choice but this feels right and and you know more often than not you know it's it's been the right move yeah i love what you're saying earlier about how the thought process is such a powerful way of breaking out over the cloud over your head and i think we all have moments where the cloud feels like it's never moving it's constantly raining on you and i think a lot of people who are listening may feel that way like have you ever been in that place and and how have you what has helped with your thought process as you've been tuning that what's worked for you at least that's your moment that's your moment it's not that all is lost when you're feeling the most trapped and and down and nothing can't go right.

35:31I feel like those are the moments that define you. Those are those character canon moments that are like, what am I going to do now? You know, how do you respond to that? And thinking your way, feeling your way, working your way through those things on the other side, it's like, you know, I don't know who said the saying, but like, usually, you know, you're the closest to getting what you want is always the hardest. It's always the feeling when you're getting ready to, you know, people give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get. People quit and they give up. And I will not be the person who quit before I got what I wanted or what I needed or what I felt I was supposed to have, you know, like, and if that wasn't for me, it wasn't for me.

36:17I'm gonna keep grinding. I'm gonna keep knocking on the door until I get what I feel. That's been something I've always felt since having the name Michael Jordan and understanding that there was another guy out there named Michael Jordan that was the best ever to do something and being teased and picked on about that and and and and made me for a moment not wanting to play sports but then it was like nah I'm actually going to make sure I'm competitive I'm going to compete at least I'm going to compete you're going to at least see me I'm going to be somebody that it's not going to be oh his name is this it's going to be oh no but he can play or, oh no, he can, oh, he, he had, he has something about him, something that is formidable, that is above average, that is, that is unique to him.

37:01And, and I, it gave me a healthy chip, you know? So, so, and I, and for the people who are listening, who, you know, who do have, you know, that doesn't feel like they can change their circumstances with the way they think or they feel, just hold on, just endure, endure, you know? look at things differently. Challenge yourself to look at things as the glass half full. Challenge yourself to think four steps ahead. Think your way through it. Like now we have so many tools. We have so much information. There's a lot of misinformation out there, but there's so much information to be curious. Find something that does resonate with you, even if it's not in the world that you ever thought you would be in.

37:46Find something that you align with. and because everybody aligns with something that's not an excuse i'm gonna i'm willing to take from anybody you know align with something and find your find your positivity find your intuition within that thing and and be obsessed about it what have you been obsessed with lately like what would you say is the thing you're most obsessed with right now or that you have been in the past couple of years that has kind of just man acted and i've been obsessed with getting my team right. I've been obsessed with getting the right personnel on the right brain frequency and getting everybody on the same page to accomplish these things that we need to go accomplish because I truly believe it's going to be better for everyone.

38:36I think it's really going to make an impact, you know? And so there's an obsessiveness that you got to have to over communicate, to follow up, to be redundant, to be consistent, you know, that you need. And, and I'm obsessed about it, you know, strengthening my family, I'm obsessed over it, you know, uh, to lead by example, you know, and break generational trauma and curses I'm obsessed over it. Um, and I'm obsessed over every project that I, uh, lend myself to. so this next movie that me and Ryan's doing I'm literally you know I'm growing all my stuff out you know I mean my hair and stuff out now I'm becoming obsessed with it you know and that character and it's it's a it's an addictive feeling to have a thought and see it come to fruition to create something out of out of you know out of an eye from an idea yeah um and to be persistent and to see it and to manifest it you know uh manifestation i just love it you know what i mean it's cool so so that's something that i've been i've been really really um locked in with and i think it's also something that it's going to help people you know there's there's always a i don't want anything that's not multi-hyphenate i want i want anything that I'm involved in, it has to have layers to it.

40:03You know, how do you help? How do you educate? What's the leave behind? What blueprint am I leaving for the next generation? You know, I got a nephew now, you know, that is looking up at me constantly. Yes, because of height, but also because of the example, you know, and he's mimicking everything I do. He mimicking anything. I can say something, do something, I can sit a certain type of way. Oh, snap, he's doing it too. It's crazy. So it clarifies your intention when you do things because you want it to have purpose and intention. So those are the things and I'm obsessed with being the best version of myself.

40:45And that's a daily thing. And some days are better than others. Finding my self in a world where there's so many seen opinions about yourself when everybody's telling you who and what you are you know learning how to live you know growing up in it and it's so wild I've been doing this for 25 years straight you know and that's a wild thing to think about but man more than half of my life has been my identity has been through the work that I've been doing and growing up and with, you know, social media, what didn't exist, now it does at a point where I'm old enough to understand what that can do.

41:33So I'm obsessed with finding myself now after and not having to prove anything to anybody other than myself and my family, you know, but really myself and realizing that that is enough. You know what I'm saying? Like that, like giving your best, is enough. And sometimes we lose track of that, you know? And yeah, so for anybody out there, you know, you're enough, man. Absolutely. Let's toast to that. Let's toast to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shake it up. Shake it up. Yeah, man. And this is the pure. So we have three flavors right now, the mango ginger, the pomegranate. But this is the... Cheers, man.

42:16Ah, cheers, my God. Appreciate you, bro. I'm excited to try this. Mm-hmm. oh that's good that's easy easy it's easy and anybody that's had like fresh yeah sea moss in the past they might not they might not had a good experience because they either they like they they kind of you know tried to clean it and process it themselves smooth smooth yeah don't taste like the ocean but it tastes a little you know it's a little heightened it's like it's refreshing it's smooth and it's easy that's how i feel about it yeah i'm like this is like and it's a great mixer you know you know i don't know if you know you want to do a we call them moss tails but like if you want to do like mocktails moss tails you know i'm saying or if you want to mix them like with drinks like with with the spirits and stuff like that it's a really good uh yeah man i just this this is five years of of obsession uh you know obviously when you know health scares all over the place people you know not a lot of information on what's really going on what can help what cannot help i was you know finishing up a movie in berlin um and you know doing my own stunts, not sleeping a lot in a foreign place.

43:20You know, food wasn't really my thing as much. And I was looking for something to kind of just help me get through my shoot days. And I was just chugged Seamoss, like, I mean, by the jar. Just because, I mean, I was just like, it's got to be doing good. I know it's doing good, you know, just by the jar. And then, you know, on the flight home, I was like, it's got to be a better way. So I started making smoothies, started, you know, blending them in. And my sister was pregnant with my nephew Lennox at the time. So, you know, at that point, everybody was in their own bubble, you know, and, you know, you know, wasn't able to kind of visit many people.

43:54So we would just blend up smoothies, drop them off at the front door. You know, that was my little care package that I would do. I would do I would do sea moss and I would do like a, you know, a homemade little pasta. And that was my act of service for my family, you know. So that labor of love, that kind of, it started from a place of just trying to help my family just like, you know, stay healthy during a pandemic. And it slowly evolved in something that I wanted to get, you know, make it accessible to everyone. Yeah, for people who don't know the benefits of CMOS, what are some of the things and the properties?

44:26It's that cognitive brain, you know, it's that clarity, your immune system. So being able to harvest them in a way that gets those nutrients inside of this drink and your daily dose of moss is something that I was really, really exciting me about just like making a beverage about it. Yeah. The aftertaste is great too. There's no idea. It's there. It makes you want to drink more of it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And yeah. It's good, man. It's good, man. It's good. And it's, yeah, I'm proud of it. Yeah. I'm proud of it. Congratulations. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Now we know we got to go to yours, man. What's up?

45:01No, we'll have to do a moss tail now with Julian Moss. No, but I love it because Ashwanda, We got Ashwanda in ours as well and Ginsync. So, I mean, you got all the adaptogens in it. So that's great. Yeah, yeah. No, it's been a labor of love for us too. It's like me and my wife always talked about it as our COVID baby. It's like this is what we were working on because we were the same. We've been addicted to tea our whole lives. And we did a hot tea as well. But we were like, you know, for a lot of people, their hot drink is coffee. And we're like, well, wait a minute. What if your soda could be healthy for you and good for you?

45:34And, you know, how could we do it where it has, you know, zero grams of sugar? Like how do you still get it to taste great with no sugar? Because me and my wife are both off of refined sugars and trying to be healthy and all the rest of it. And then you realize that all the sodas you drink, you know, are full of it. So how do we make it easy for people to understand these herbs and these adaptogens? And, you know, because a lot of people, we grew up with it. We were lucky in our culture, in Indian culture, you grow up with a lot of these herbs and spices in your daily food. Exactly. And, but a lot of people don't have access to that.

46:03So it's like, how do you make it easy when people may not have in their kitchen? So yeah, man, I'll send you something to try later as well. No, please do, man. I see you got the agave in there and everything. And I love this, man. I was loving what you were saying about the building of teams. Because, and something you said was like, how do you keep everyone on like the same frequency and like attract those people? And I went through a big thing for that in a certain part of my work around two years ago. A lot of people that are in my sphere today, some of them have been around since the beginning and some of them came on in the last two years and it has been life-changing.

46:37Yes. Like absolutely life-changing from an energy standpoint, from a spirit standpoint and from a productivity effectiveness standpoint. How have you been trained or what are you, how do you sense beyond like someone being able to do the job, obviously, how have you been able to learn how to sense or understand whether someone's on that same brain wave and as you said, or brain energy as you are and, and has that same value set that you have? I think it's a lot of conversations and, and, and sometimes trial and error. I think my, my intuition and my gut is, is the first, you know, litmus test is the first kind of line of defense, you know, that I, that I have of like energies vibe, you know what I'm saying?

47:20Like, okay, that, that, that, that you feel on par, how, you know, how you answer a question, What are the things that you're saying? You know, are you speaking from ego? Are you speaking about, you know, what is the thing? You know, we're used to, we meet so many people. We have to use quick judgments and who gets our time? You know, who do you open up to? Who do you not? And I think when it comes to building into a team, especially nowadays, you're coming into something that's well oiled. Yeah. You're coming into a machine already. So you have to fit not just with me, but you have to kind of fit with everybody.

47:56You know, you have to know how to communicate the things you need to know how to communicate to. You have to the ego is something that can get in a lot of people's way when joining a team and joining something that's already really established. And I think I think I'm coming to a place of learning and listening is really important and not taking things personally. I think I think and then it's something to the people that's already been in the team to understand that there's going to be additions and there is a process of there's an onboarding. There's a welcome. There's a thing that you have to to bring people into the fold in a way to get the best out of them.

48:29So I think there's been there's been those learning things along the way. That's really that really helped me identify people who that fit and work well within the circle, you know. um and and uh yeah i think that's been my my kind of process thus far um and then yeah i always want to create an environment where people want to be yeah you know you're not here for a check yeah you're here because you believe in what we're doing and what we want to do and i'm pretty transparent about those things you know so so i think i think just being extremely transparent and and forward with those things and and and know that there's nothing personal if this isn't it You know, like I'm, I'm the best, I'm the, I'm the guy that's always going to give you a great recommendation.

49:09You know what I mean? Like I'm, I want, I want people to win. Yeah. You know, at the end of the day, I want people to win and, and seeing somebody in their strengths, you know, and being like, okay, I can use that, that this, this, this would be helpful in this way. And if that works out, it works out. And if not, then man, I, man, I want to see you do well. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. We, I remember years ago, I was listening to Eric Schmidt, who is the CEO of Google for a bit. And he was talking about how they were looking for smart creatives. And I love that, that they had two words that kind of summed up what they look for.

49:41They look for people who are smart creatives. And for me, it became humble champions. I was like, I want humble winners. I want the people who want to win and have that ambition, but are able to put their ego aside. Because then we're going to speed up getting there. Because the thing that slows you down from winning is ego. The thing that stops you from passing the ball is ego. Or bowing out and saying it's your turn is ego. And so, but, but you still have to have that champion mindset because it isn't just about, oh yeah, no, no, no, you do your thing. Like, and that was a big thing. And then the other thing that worked for me was I was like, I need to work with people that I could go to breakfast, lunch or dinner with if we didn't work together.

50:16Yes, man. Do I actually want to go to breakfast, lunch and dinner with this person? Because I probably will be when I'm traveling or on the road. That means I like spending time with them, which means I'm happy to coach them. Yes. And I'm happy to learn from them. Exactly. Whereas if I don't want to, and initially I was like that. I used to just hire people who were great at what they did. We didn't really have chemistry. Like we didn't, we didn't, we couldn't hang out. And that wasn't because they were wrong. It was also because I wasn't aware. Gotcha. And, and then of course, yeah, the mission, the purpose is, I mean, that's core and central.

50:47Because even for you, I mean, you're spending time from your family where, you know, your team becomes your extended family. They, they, they are your family. You're eating, like I said, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You know, like there's there's a part of you that, you know, it has to feel like I'm getting a little bit of my family here. And if it's not that, you know, it's really hard for me, you know, and obviously like, you know, you have a bigger company and there's employees and you're not going to be as personal with everybody within the company. You know, you're not having breakfast, lunch, dinner with everybody.

51:16But there's a feeling of, you know, I don't mind on a Sunday everybody at my house watching a game, spending time, because that's when not the 9 to 5 time to be creative or the 9 to 5 time to do the job. That's the extra mile. That's the, oh, I had this idea and I was just thinking, oh, we're looking at something together and this would be great. The best ideas sometimes come from those just hangout moments and those moments where you're just spending time with people that you work with. So, yeah, I think that, yeah, you're right. That's really important. Yeah, for sure. Before the obsession point that came up, which was fascinating, I'm glad I asked you that and you went into it.

51:57You're talking about like, you know, you live in an industry and you talked about social media where people have an opinion of you. People, even an opinion is that people have a lens because they've seen you in a particular light. and I was wondering like what do you think something that people get right about you and what's something that people sometimes get wrong about you like what do you feel like when it comes to that like I'll tell you mine like I feel like for me a lot of people think that I get like often because of what I teach and what I'm sharing and what I'm guiding it's like oh well Jay must get everything perfect all the time and like you know he's like super deep and like always just saying profound things and that's not true obviously because as much as that is who I am and that is my heart I'm not always like that like I have I have bad days I have bad moods I have off days I have days when I'm not feeling that way right and so that's that's something that people get wrong about me sometimes in the in that perception because but I'm dedicated to this work I'm obsessed with it I'm obsessed with being better but that doesn't remove me from having flaws and weaknesses and and so yeah yeah you should do a blooper reel you should do a blooper outtake reel of those moments.

53:04You have your team catch you in these little moments and you should put one out. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. That'll be fun. I like that. I like that. That'll be a good one. I like that. I think for me it's like I think I've intentionally stayed out the way so much where I'm not giving anybody anything to go off of other than what I want you to know. You know, I think that's been it for a long time. I've always had the approach of like not speaking on things and not giving them life. You know, there's there's there's going to be perspectives and there's things about you that just aren't true uh do you do you care to correct somebody or not you know because most of the time people's minds are made up no matter what you say it is what it's going to be you know stay out the comment section you know i mean you get some great entertainment in there but then you can get a lot of stuff that is just people who want to project the thing that's going to get the most attention and the issue that i have with a lot of that is they can be completely false and we have a industry of we were talking earlier the lack of journalism the skill of that that will run with those things knowing that there is no basis to them but now that's a narrative that's attached to you that you have to be strong enough and strong-minded enough to ignore knowing it's not true or this human nature feeling of wanting to know that's not true.

54:29I want people to know this about me. And I've always walked on that line of, you know, not caring, trying not to care and knowing that I'm enough and knowing my truth and the people who know me, know me, You know, I am about my community and my people, you know, wholeheartedly. And a lot of the choices that I make and the things that I want to do and be a part of is in service of that bigger picture, you know, of helping that, you know, my community in a big way. So I think the biggest thing sometimes if they ever feel like that they're not my top priority is maybe one of the biggest misconceptions.

55:16you know, the, the love I have for my community, regardless of people's approach. I think everybody has a different strategy and approach to how they affect and make change. Everybody, it doesn't all look the same. Um, and because it may not be typical or the average voice, because the package is different and the craft in my field is different. so I have a different set of boundaries that exist in my lane that I maneuver without in and out of like I love playing chess I love I love I love strategy I love I love reverse engineering and building things so I think I think that's one of the the biggest things and And, you know, sometimes ignorance and a laugh or a joke or a like or a thing, we've encouraged the behavior of negativity and things and loudness is the thing.

56:24And that's just not what I'm into. Yeah. I'm into the love of things. I'm into the humanity and bringing people together the best way. But also I'm human. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I mean, I also think we've put a false pressure on the definition of authenticity, meaning you share everything with everyone. And I'm not sure I vibe with that definition because I think authenticity by nature is you sharing what you feel comfortable with each person. That's what it means to be authentic. And you could argue that authentic just means being however you want to be in any given situation. And so I think there has become a false pressure of, oh, you got to show you're authentic by showing every part of yourself.

57:12And I don't know if that triggers anything for you. It's like, what's the definition of authenticity for you? Or for me, that's what it is. But what is it for you? I think it's, but then in hindsight, there's a piece of it that, not even just to go back, but there's also like, maybe that's my insecurity framing what go ahead next week. the loudness of the things that I'm most sensitive of. is this noise somehow yeah it triggers us for a reason it you know i'm saying some stuff that you just go oh yeah yeah whatever but it's like but it's just like man like why does that why does that bother me so much yeah like there's something there's something about that that because i know what that does in the bigger like i'm always thinking bigger picture it's very rarely that i really focus on the thing it's always about what's the cause of that in a bigger conversation You know, the authenticity to me is being able to sleep at night, being able to go talk to my mom and knowing that the people that know me, every fiber of my being, my intention knows my heart through and through, that they see the same person.

58:29They're able to connect with the same energy and the same vibe and the same spirit. My energy has never changed. You know, I think being authentic to that frequency is super important to me, no matter where I go, no matter how I evolve and have to mature and grow up. I want my energy to always feel the same. That's why when you meet certain people and it's been years that go by and you pick right back up where you left off, it feels like no time is lost. That energy is never it's always the same. And I I love when people I haven't seen in a long time or come at me like, man, whoa, it feels you know, it's the same.

59:03And that just lets me know that I'm not losing myself. I'm not losing track of, you know, who I am. Yes. And where I come from. And I am always going to be an agent of change, Trojan horse or not. You know what I'm saying? And, yeah, just continue to lead by example. You know, I know the path that I'm on isn't easy. You know, sometimes it may look easy, you know, for the successes or whatever. but but it's uh behind closed doors i'm doing i'm doing the the work so the future generations have it a little bit easier or have a little bit more tools to use um and they can ask for certain things that won't be like what it'd be almost standard for them you know and you know from my vantage point i'm able to see a lot of the road blocks that exist within systems problems you know and and paperwork and precedents i've been chipping away at those where i can in places and there's so many look i i say i a lot in this interview there's so many people out there doing that type of work you know that exist men and women in these places that are breaking down door ears that are chipping away it's like shawshank redemption you know rock at a time gravel at a time you know eventually that hole's gonna be open you know what I'm saying eventually it's gonna be open but just chipping away and unfortunately everybody can't be the loudest one in the room you know gotta be sometimes gotta be the quiet guy in the room gotta listen and look and pay attention and move how you need to move the chess pieces they have different rules and different movements for a reason you know and they're on the board in different places for a reason.

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1:03:05And there's something that gets through that vest. It's just like. And you know it's because there's a part of it that feels true. And there's a part of you that you've allowed for it to feel true. because it could be that you are, there's a part of your self-esteem you haven't worked on. There's something you took from your childhood and made true for you. And now when someone else says it and you didn't even know where it came from, but I was talking to a friend the other day and we were talking about how one of his mentors was letting him down. And we discovered in that, I've been friends with this guy for like 20 years.

1:03:40We're best mates. And it was like 20 years later, we figured out that he'd made his mentor, his father figure. Okay. And he didn't really put two and two together until just now, and neither did I for him. And he was like, wait a minute, no wonder I'm feeling so much pain with this mentor of mine because I'd made him a father figure and gone through that feeling of he's Superman and now realizing he's not, even though I'm a 40-year-old man for him. And so it's just so interesting how the stuff that gets under our skin, it can just be hidden there and it gets stale and stuck. And then you don't look at it because you're like, oh, no, no, it's nothing, it's nothing.

1:04:15but at one point when you feel safe enough you have to kind of like look under the hood and go you know why is that there but coming on to the point you were just making around paving the way for others and setting an example and the responsibility that comes with and like you said there's so many people doing that I feel like how would you define your current purpose like how do you define with everything you're doing because you talked about purpose being a big thing for you and you talk about the mission of your company like what is the purpose of that work? Which doors are you trying to open?

1:04:46Which paperwork are you trying to shift? What systems are you trying to affect? I think I have my purpose right now. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think I have a chapter, 25 years acting, producing, being in front of the camera, being talent, learning so much about the world, about myself, about the industry. I think being a representative for my community in a way that places that a black actor hasn't gone you know um obviously you have the greats you have the wills and the denzels you know i'm saying that that i look up to in a big way that you know that that through their talent the the the business and the craft has extended to a new height so they've opened up doors for me that i didn't even know was possible that now it's like oh wow now we have this and that now i could do that and do that so they've kicked the door down in a way that's like you know internally grateful so like leading by example is a big purpose you know to for people to be able to see it because it was big for me to see it and think that i can do it too so there's that there's that part of it yeah there's the um the business side of things that i've got an opportunity to learn from investing your money you know what do you do with the the savings and the things that you do have.

1:06:06I'm a big sports guy. You know, I've always wanted to, you know, own a team. I'm competitive. I wanted to be involved in that environment, that energy, you know, of sports. And I found a football team, you know, in Bournemouth. And soccer. As in football in my world. Yeah, football in my world. I've literally had to, like, you know, bite my, I cannot say soccer anymore. No, say football. I gotta say football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And great, great partner, you know, Bill Foley. He owns the Las Vegas Golden Knights and really trying to turn that program around and just amplify it in a big way. But learning, you know, how to invest in those things.

1:06:44You know, oh, there's going to be a new stadium. Oh, there's opportunity to invest in real estate. Oh, wow. Now you invest in real estate and something that's going to be around for, you know, however many year lease and this and that. Okay, cool. I could take that. And, oh, wow, investing in, you know, started a JV for, you know, underneath an umbrella company to have your own product. And then from there, you can create another JV. Oh, you can invest capital. Oh, you can have a venture fund. Oh, snap. Okay, wow. This is a whole other game. This is a whole other nuance of acquisitions and investment and capital that I never even knew existed.

1:07:26I'm used to, you know, W-9 forms and taxes, you know what I'm saying? On the talent side, there's a whole other game to be played. And taking that information, just the information that that exists and what that would do to the next generation, you know, knowing what's available to him, knowing that there's other ways to maximize my brand, you know, brand, creating things, ownership of things as streamers and studios. And there's, there's so many other platforms that, you know, people are content crazy, you know, podcasts, you know, it's become a business as well. You know, a new, you know, a new venture that, that people will be able to monetize their own, their own following, their own, their own likeness in a real way.

1:08:16Retirement. What does that look like really? You know, do, you know, really a will. leaving a will behind like what like i mean no i mean there's things that you just don't get taught you know there's nobody you know so so i've stumbled on it upon it these things within my success and my intuition and my partnerships and my relationships that but again it goes back to like the why me this one guy you know that has got has gotten access to all these things and my man over here or my guy over there nope that you guys would never know about none of these things because of how, whatever your life path has taken you has not been in these areas or nobody's had the opportunity to say those things to you.

1:08:56So I put that on me as a purpose to be able to, to give that information, you know, in a real way and identify the, you know, people that are hungry enough and you know, that want it, you know, that want it, they got to want it and they got to be like, come on, let's go figure it out. All right. Let me, let me, let me figure out how to help set you up with the right people. So you got the right conversations, you know, and then you also got to be careful who you help too. You know, you can't, you know, you want to help everybody, but you can't help everybody. But you can leave a blueprint for everyone.

1:09:27You know, sometimes that's all a person should need sometimes is seeing it and being in the thought. Then you got to leave it on the person to do their, their part of the work, to lift that part of the weight, to put on that burden to go do that for themselves their family their their their people within their their circle so yeah for sure i like that man that's i mean it's super powerful because i think yeah so many people don't have access don't understand don't have the language don't have the vocabulary it's a huge purpose what do you do when it all just gets too much when you're like it's a lot it's a lot you know because you're on shoot days you're busy you got this kind of like What do you do when it all gets too much?

1:10:10What's the first thing? I try to go to Japan. I try to get on the first thing smoking to Japan. I'm out of here. It's one of the few places that I've been that I feel like I just exist. Yeah. You know what I'm about? Why Japan? Growing up, I've been obsessed with anime. I'm a big anime guy, you know? So since I was like, you know, 11, 12 years old, it's been anime, you know? And that's been my cartoons, comic books, anime. I mean, that's just like my, you know, escapism. I'm in that. And, you know, growing up watching those shows, you they there's so much of their identity in their culture, in the dialogue and messaging and all that stuff.

1:10:48So I just had this idea, this place in my head that was full of respect and it was hospitable and hard work and tradition. And, you know, I mean, thousands of years of, you know, a couple thousand years of tradition, you know, I'm saying that, you know, that that exists. and and i was like man i wonder what at this place going to live up to the expectation obviously the food and the culture all that good stuff and uh yeah when i went it was it was everything that i thought it would be a more you know um and obviously i went went the right type of way i you know i created anime as well you know i wanted to like you know because they're they're so loving and and and um welcoming in a really big way and yeah for me going there there's not a you know a million phones being out everybody they're very respectful of your space there um and people are going to obviously come up and say what's up you know that's what's going to happen but it's in a way where you don't feel like i have to hide as much i feel like i could walk down the streets there a little bit more loosely and that's something that you know i don't really have as much here in la or you know new york you get a little bit more of it you know i'm saying you can kind of like you know because people in east coast sometimes we're like whatever keep pushing but it's It's a different thing, but something about Japan that was awesome and, you know, and another place that I can't wait to really go is Ghana as well.

1:12:12Dad's been spending a lot of time there. Wow. I haven't, like, for whatever reason, every time I'm trying to go, something that I cannot change pops up. But that's a place that people tell me stories of the similar feeling of going there and the love and affinity of being in that place and really want to go there as well. So if I can't get to Japan, I'm usually at the house. I'm either cooking or playing like Call of Duty. I'm playing Call of Duty online, you know what I'm saying, with my boys back, you know, from all over. And, you know, it's a place where you can just, you know, it's fair game.

1:12:50It's even playing field, you know what I'm saying? You know, some mindless, you know, kind of, you know, camaraderie with your boys and stuff, you know. I love cooking. Food is a love language for me, you know. So being able to find a recipe or try something new and combine flavors is probably you never thought would go together and just creating those moments is another form of art too. And I like enjoying people eating my food, like serving people and being like, I normally don't like lamb, but have you had it like this? And then having people just react to that is something that I enjoy doing too.

1:13:28Now with Bournemouth, we're going to have to get you into FIFA as well. Yeah, I got to get on FIFA. That's the next one. That's what I do. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's my giveaway pleasure. You'll get some easy wins at first. So we'll start off. I'll be Bournemouth. You'll be Bournemouth? Okay. All right, cool. Got it. Yeah, you pick. Yeah, we good. Dude, you've been amazing today. I've got a few more questions I want to ask you before I let you go. This question is like, what has been a lesson you wish you learned earlier in life? Like, is there a lesson that you learned recently that you're like, I wish I learned this one earlier?

1:13:59I think being unapologetically honest with what you want. And that goes across the board. I was trying to think of something that kind of crossed the board. If you can communicate your truth and not worry so much about how somebody is going to react to what you say. because a lot of times the fear of how somebody's going to react to what you really want to say is what stops you from saying it sometimes and you find another way or you put it off or you don't say it and then maybe the situation doesn't change and you get frustrated and upset but why this thing doesn't change because you kind of maybe might not have said it the way you wanted to say you know and i think there's a you know a way to be unapologetically and still be respectful and speak your truth.

1:14:52If I think I would have done that earlier, I would have been further along in relationships that I have with people I care about. And not intimately. I mean, across the board, work relationships, business, family, female friends, you know, whatever it may have been. I think being honest with where you stand and how you feel, it's really giving another person an option and opportunity to be as honest with you. And whatever your fear of that is, of that outcome, is never really as big as what you make it up to be. You know, it's really not that. So I would say maybe just being honest and living with the results, you know.

1:15:40And tomorrow is not promised to anyone. But time will move on, you know. You will move past it, you know. Yeah. And if tomorrow never come, at least you can know that you said what you needed to say. Yeah. You know, so I think that's one thing that I feel like earlier on, if I had that, it might have been better. Yeah, that's a thoughtful answer. I was thinking when you were saying that, it's like we're so scared of our honesty hurting someone, not realizing that us holding back our honesty is hurting them even more and longer term. It is. It's a hard one because when you have to be honest, it makes you look worse.

1:16:17It makes you feel bad. It makes that person feel bad. It gets messy on so many levels. But what if that person needed to hear it? Yeah. You know, what if that person never heard that note or that thought or perspective and then they go on in life, you know, continuing to, you know, move and act and speak in a way. Without that, you're doing almost a disservice, you know. It goes back to like knowing. If you know better, you got to do better, right? Like, so, so I think that kind of maybe speaks to like a bigger thing with me of like wanting to just be better and wanting people around me to be better and grow, you know, because I guess going back to, you know, just the other misconceptions, like, you know, thing of people look at me and think I got everything.

1:17:00I got it all, you know, it's not true, man. Like I'm flawed, you know, and I'm, and I'm actively trying to get better daily, you know, and I fail all the time. And I come up short all the time on even how to communicate, no matter how much coaching I go through and, you know, and practice and running conversations through my head, you know, in the shower and like, all right, I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say that, I'm gonna hit that point. okay you know i'm saying and you know i'm just in the i'm trying to do my best you know and i think the weight to try to live up to everybody's perfect expectation of me has been really really heavy for a long time you know and i think the last couple years i've been trying to maneuver out of that mike we end every episode of on purpose with a final five okay these five questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum.

1:17:56So it can be one sentence. I will ask you to explore it further if there's something that hits me. All right, so Mike, these are your final five. The first question is, your ones have two parts. I've never done this before, but with you I'm about to do it because I think there's some things I really want to know. So the first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard and the worst advice you've ever heard? Best advice is, if you're unsure about something, take a moment. You know, if you're unsure, don't answer right away. Take a moment. Think about it. It's okay. Don't answer just because you feel like you got to be out and be quick and be fast about it.

1:18:34Because you end up stumbling over your words or not stumbling over your words saying something that you don't really, really mean. So I would say that's probably some of the best advice I got. Worst advice? Buy it now. You'll get it back. Just spend it now. You'll make it back. You know what I'm saying? I think that's probably some of the worst advice I've gotten. That's bad, man. Yeah, yeah. It's good to get you by it. I think at the time, it was close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the time, it was close. It was close. It was, and I wasn't even really a big closed guy at the time. I was like, eh, whatever.

1:19:10But it was like, yeah, you're right. I'll make it back. Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, of course I will. You know, like, yeah. And then, you know, we're on a 7-Eleven diet for the next, you know, two months. I love it good answers good answers alright I'm gonna give you a choice pick one of these you gotta choose you choose whichever one yeah yeah alright take a look oh man I wanna know what the other one is I'll let you talk about this one first this is how old dogs my dad's dog tags from the marines that linen jacket says all my children i'm saying maybe seven 16 17 maybe like disney like super soap weekend or something like that i think it was like one of those things where like the soap operas had this this weekend and and at uh i think it was in cali california yeah yeah yeah at Disney and I want to say this is from that.

1:20:18Is that it? No. Oh, yeah. I want to say that. What advice would you give to him?

1:20:26Savor those moments of being a teenager. I think, you know, looking back at the teenage years, you know, we have a worry. What problems do we have? You know, it was high school, you know, complaining about homework, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I was working at that time, you know what I'm saying? But I would just say, like, enjoy those years, man, you know, of just the purity of it. You know, I look back and I was like, man, this is a pretty pure, and it's a kid. What would he say back to you now, looking at you now? Maybe I knew you could do it. You know, I think I would tell myself that you could do it too.

1:21:11I think nobody thought I didn't at that time I think what could have been what is he had an idea of what could be I always had the optimism of what could be it was just like follow that more maybe I love that man this is the other one this is dope we got plenty we just picked these two these are the two that the team loved i don't know if this is my birthday or my sister's birthday but this is my grandmother's kitchen and uh my sister was right there and i think she was either helping me cut a cake or something but yeah that's my that's my my my i was that was my my guardian that was my my bodyguard was my sister it's a good one i love it yeah i love it man um all right question number i don't know which question we want to have because I've totally ignored my own format but it's all right that's the best that's the best that's when it's the best uh what's what's the best part of being Michael B.

1:22:16Jordan and the worst part of being Michael B. Jordan being Uncle Mike man it's a feeling of like with my nephew and my niece that I've never had I've never loved something so much it like wow like whoa like I think I think being Uncle Mike right now is is the best part of that right now um worst part i love multitasking i love i love i love uh the juggling the better the balancing act of the things that i do i love that and the worst part is the the loneliness that comes with that you know i think there's a there's a there's a you know a loneliness that i have you know the the responsibility that you have and is is is isolating and the weight is isolating so i think i think the worst part of that is is is the the feeling like nobody really understands and sometimes falling into the spaces of like just you know being alone feeling alone thanks for sharing everything today i mean okay question number four we're nearly there four and five question number four uh you talked about knowing your team's love language this question is my team's love language okay okay how does being the sexiest man in life find love from the girls on my team dedicated to uh dedicated to you so i revert back to the last question it's very lonely no it's uh i go back and forth between wanting partnership and then not knowing what's the best partner for me like bringing them into my world what i got going on isn't easy and it's it's not just i love you you love me that should be enough right it's not it's not quite that simple you know i think i think finding the right person to understand a all of me but then all that comes with me as well And understanding, you know, that balance between wanting to be available and there for that person while I'm juggling everything else and feeling okay to put the other part of my businesses down.

1:24:35down and you know there's sacrifice and compromise that comes with a partnership and a relationship and what is and and understanding how how to make that all work is sometimes gives me anxiety and pause you know and and and then also there's a part of me that has not really lived life yet i i haven't really traveled as much for fun or just like japan has been a few times that i've where I didn't have a schedule, where I didn't have to be somewhere for press. I didn't have to be these, I had to put the other hats on, you know? There's so many different places and people I've never had an opportunity to happenly meet that I might connect and vibe with, that might be a person that my soul connects to, you know?

1:25:25And I think, you know, those things, I'm looking forward to that part of my life. You know, I think the last couple of years I'm starting to get to a place where it's like, you know what, I got to start living. Yeah. You know, I've been I've been I've sacrificed and I've been in locked, zoned in for so long. You know, I owe it to myself a little bit to do that, you know. And I think that's a byproduct of being a little bit of a, you know, I'm a delayed satisfaction, delayed gratification person. Like I can I've always wanted to lock in for the first half, do what I got to do, get to what I need to get to, make sure everything's straight and set up.

1:26:00and then be a little bit more to have the freedom to move how I want to move or whatever. So that's the long-winded answer of I'm not looking, but it would take a very special person to understand and grow with me. You want to create memories. I want a family, you know what I'm saying, eventually. So we'll see what's up. We'll see what happens. You are lucky because I asked you that question. The other question was what's his type? I like that. I like that. I like that question I like that that one you like that better? no I don't I don't know yeah that's good that's the wrong question I thought I was reading you I was like yeah no I mean I don't know I wasn't asking you for real okay good I wasn't we can move on for now yeah I wasn't I was messing with you fifth and final question yeah if you could we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be?

1:26:57a law that you couldn't intentionally kill or cause bodily harm to anyone. I think that covers a lot of stuff. I mean, you still have, you got to leave room people for humans to be humans and everybody's not going to be good. You know, everybody's not going to have all that in there, but if we can eliminate the senseless killing and, you know, the bodily harms, you know, of other people's bodies in a real way i think there's but then there's like the systemic thing i'm trying to get out of because like you know i'm trying to eat i'm trying to level the playing field yeah you know um so just the economic opportunities that the disparity those those systematic oppression the systematic oppression that does exist is the thing that i i most i most want to change so i'm trying to think because it's a good question, man.

1:27:54You keep thinking about it. You'll tell me later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I like your one because it also applies to like you couldn't develop products. Like your question, I mean, your answer applies to food, drugs, medicine, which is kind of what keeps a lot of people stuck in the system. Because if they can own, like bodily harm to me isn't just physical violence. It's also the kind of things we ingest and consume. and that is what keeps a lot of people stuck because they're eating unhealthy food because that's all they have access to and that's all they can afford and that plays with the economy.

1:28:28I mean, that's what I was hearing too on a sub-level. Okay. Yeah. All right. I'm with that. I love it. Michael B. Jordan, Mike, it has been such a joy and honor. We've got to do a part two. I've got, I could talk to you for hours. I've got so many questions, man, like that we could get into. But I want to thank you for your honesty, your openness, the fun we've had. Yes. Bringing Moss along. Everyone, if you're not drinking already, make sure you drink a mask while you listen to On Purpose. And thank you so much for coming by. I want our audience, please tag me and Mike with your favorite moments.

1:29:00I know you guys cut the best clips on TikTok and Instagram. Do that for this episode. There were so many moments where he was just downloading. And I think it's going to have a big impact. Mike, thank you again. Very grateful, man. Thank you so much for having me, bro. It's been an honor. It was worth the wait, man. So I appreciate you having me anytime. I appreciate you. Anytime. If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose. Our children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve. And parents and coaches have become more directive in trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how to behave.

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