Naveen Jain ON: Why Understanding Your Genes Can Greatly Improve Your Health & Questions You Should Ask Yourself Before Making an Important Decision

28:11You can't even see the stars, right? As I came to United States. And then I started to meet and learn from different people. And as I continued to grow, I started to surround myself with people who had, you know, even bigger. So I thought I was a big fish in the small pond until I realized there was a big pond out there and I was a small fish. And then I started to grow again, right? And I think, you know, a lot of the people that have, you know, inspired each one of us have been the people who have gone on to change the industry. Now, obviously, you know, today you and I probably know most of them and we met them.

28:49But when I actually were being inspired, I knew their name, but I've never met them. Now we get to meet with them. And now you can at least look at them and say how much they change your life. But I can tell you that the biggest inspiration for me or biggest mentor for me has been my own life. Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. So just every experience we have, if we keep an open mind, we can learn from every single person we meet. Even that homeless person, if you can give him five minutes of your time, he will tell you about his life story, what got him into where he is, and maybe hopefully you won't make that mistake.

29:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah it's i've often thought that the people that are always learning in any situation naturally succeed in in whatever endeavor they have and when i'm hearing you speak about these ideas which which resonate with me completely like very strongly i start thinking like today the challenges that we're not always choosing effectively and curating carefully who influences us because there's just so much influence. I was reading a study the other day that said the average human is exposed to 74 gigabytes of information every day. The average iPhone is 256 gigabytes and a fancy iPhone is one terabyte, which means that 74 gigabytes a day, you know, give it like less than four days and you're already at a full storage of an iPhone.

30:31That's a lot of information and it's hard to know what's useful what's useless what's a waste what's an investment because we're just inundated how could you recommend to people to learn to filter and choose what to give i'll give you and i'll give you a common example like you know a couple of years ago it was like everyone's like you have to be in nfts you have to do this you have to like you know and then everyone's like oh you have to invest in the stock market because now it's this and like then it's like oh you have to be an entrepreneur it's like everyone's getting oh now you have to hustle we're in hustle culture and so you see this like messaging fad messages fad messages that just constantly pushes people yeah and because people don't know their own values and they're not sure about what they really want from life it becomes very easy to get distracted how would you guide people into not getting distracted and knowing what is right to focus on well i think you go back and saying why am i doing it let's assume whether pick anything you want, whether it's an NFT or a crypto or whatever, how is that what I'm going to do is going to improve someone else's life?

31:39Would it improve a billion people's life because I bought NFT? If the answer is no, then why are you wasting your time? So to me, the biggest thing to learn in life is curiosity. If you ask me, there's one gift you could give someone you love the most. and I hate to say that, the biggest love I have for anyone in this world is probably your children. Anyone I think, right? Your children are the one that, they give you unconditional love and you give them unconditional love. And the biggest gift you can give them is that. So our job as a parent is not to take them to the water and make them drink.

32:19Our job is to make them thirsty. How do you make them thirsty? Is make them intellectually curious. Once you give the curiosity to the children, guess what? They will never stop learning. They will always be learning. They'll always find their water and they'll always be drinking. And that's your goal is to make them curious. And what makes them curious is to constantly think about what is possible, not what is not possible. What if it was possible? And the two most beautiful words in English language are imagine and what if. Imagine if this was possible. What if I could do it? And that's it. And then they'll constantly and become like a child.

33:05Why? Why? Why it can't be done? Why it couldn't be done before? And asking why makes you curious. And that's how it allows you to dig deeper and deeper and deeper. If I may continue on that chart, Jay. I want to talk about, as I said, I have three children. And I want to talk about them for many reasons. One is to show people what really matters in life. It's not just simply about leaving the better world for our children. It's also about leaving the better children for the world to continue to go where not only you get to push the humanity forward, you actually have trained them and made them curious enough for them to be able to continue to push the humanity forward, right?

33:55So I have three children. Our oldest is 32. He went to Wharton. When he was 17, he started his first company. And that was simply about helping young entrepreneurs as a nonprofit to help young entrepreneurs find mentors for them so they can be successful. And his reasoning was my dad brought me mentors. And these kids did not have that opportunity. So I'm going to create it for them. Now, imagine what happened. He could call anyone in the world and say, I want you to help these young kids. Nobody says no to helping someone. In the turn, he built one of the biggest network he could find of the most influential people.

34:37So when he started a for-profit company, everyone wanted to be part of this, right? In fact, just today, my son was, oldest was on CNBC in Bloomberg announcing that he's solving this problem that all his, all the kids of age were suffering from. I go, there are two problems. I graduate, I can get a job and generally a decent enough job where I can actually find an apartment, but I don't have the money to pay first month rent, last month rent and security deposit. And he said, you know what? What if we don't have that and simply spend$5 a month on insurance and insure the landlord so you don't have to have a deposit?

35:14And he started that company. Then he realized that everyone was complaining and say, that's great, Ankur. We keep wasting our money on a rent. We get nothing for it. Right? I got to buy a home. He started this company called BILT, B-I-L-T, BILT Rewards. And just, I was posting on my Instagram, he announced today, he raised$150 million at$1.5 billion pre-money valuation. The reason I'm talking about not the money is what he did is so phenomenal. He came up with the concept of a credit card where you can put a rent on a credit card with no credit card fees, no annual fee. Normally, when you put something on a credit card, you pay 2.5%, 3%.

35:53He convinced the master card to waive that fee for rent. And then he's able to now earn points on something you haven't paid anything and you can use the point to actually buy a home, down payment for a home. Or use one-to-one on any airlines, on a hotel, on Expedia, on Amazon. You can use the points to earn the points on rent and with no credit cards. What's happening? Landlords love it because they are able to bill you on day one. Day two, they have the money. You as a renter are not paying a dime more and your 21-day float to pay your credit card bill. In turn, you earn the points that were completely wasted.

36:36And now you can travel or you can use them for next month rent. Or you can use them at down payment and a home. Solving the problem that impacted all these people, in turn, he created a great company. Our daughter, Priyanka, went to Stanford. Stanford STEM fellow. Stanford Mayfield fellow. Only cared about women's education, women's health. First company she worked, removing gender bias from hiring using AI. Started a company called AVI, E-V-V-Y, Women's Health Company. And just today, Fast Company is recognized as the fastest and the most disruptive company that she started a year and a half ago.

37:19So she's completely changing the idea of how women's health. What I did not realize what she told me is until about 20 years ago, women weren't allowed to be in a clinical studies. That means every drug we have were never designed for women. They're only designed for men. And no wonder these drugs don't even work for women because they were never on a clinical trial. And she's changing that industry, right? Our youngest went to Stanford, became a Schwarzman scholar. And now he's solving the problem of home mortgages, right? Again, it doesn't matter. The point is they find the biggest problem and they realize they can go out and solve it.

37:58and why is it how did that happen and jay you don't have kids yet but one day you do i'm going to give you some of the parenting lesson because i have 32 years 28 years 25 years old i'm very open to that so here's what happens these kids were growing up on an affluent family unlike i grew up in a poor family we told them their our love for you is unconditional but our approval is not. That means I'll always tell you I love you, but I will never tell you I'm proud of you. To be proud of you, you have to do things that make us proud of you. And I told them that we will be proud of you when you do things that make other people's life better.

38:40That means your success is never going to be defined by how much money you have in the bank. It'll be defined by how many lives you improve. When they were young, they would say, whatever, dad. But guess what? every one of them remembered what dad wants and they want to make their dad proud. And I told them and I said, I'm proud of you and you do the things that make us proud. We told them that their self-worth doesn't come from what they own. It comes from what they create. That means you own a lot, but you haven't created anything. You're still a parasite on society, right? So don't be a parasite.

39:19And ultimate goal of the children was always for them to focus on what can they do and make them believe nothing was impossible. So I remember when their kids were born, I was running a very successful company. And instead of when I sold that company, and I realized they were very young, I had two choices. I could sit at home to say, hey, my kids are young, I want to spend time with my family, which is a normal thing to do. It occurred to me, what would they be thinking? So imagine if I had told them it's not about money, but dad just made a lot of money and dad is now at home. When they go to school, what do they see?

40:06Dad sitting on the sofa watching CNBC. They come back from school, they see dad is still at home and dad tells them, go to your room, work hard, finish your homework. Hard work is what it takes and money doesn't matter. And they say, I watch my dad sitting on the sofa. When I grow up, I want to be just like my dad, sit on the sofa and watch TV. And because dad has money, he can do that and that's what I'm going to do. Instead, what they saw was dad started a second company. Dad started a third company. Dad goes crazy, we're going to go to the moon. Dad, no private company has gone to the moon.

40:44You're crazy. Well, let me show you how that's done. Dad turns 58. Dad wants to start a healthcare company. We're going to make illness optional. Dad, it's time to retire. Well, I haven't showed you how it's done yet. Point was, they realized at the end of the day that dad does it because he loves what he does. He doesn't care about making money. He does it because that's what brings him happiness and anything difficult can be solved and that's why every one of them is taking on audacious challenges because they see the dad do that so while we tell our kids what to do we never show them what to do yeah yeah i mean congratulations by the way and it's amazing to hear about these incredible new companies coming into the world so needed so powerful and so beautiful to see so many purpose-driven companies coming into the world especially in a world where we're constantly hearing everyone wanting to build a billion dollar company and everything which is just it's such a it's boring nuts right same so by the way everyone who's listening to it if i may say should go to avi evvy and if you're a woman please sign up for avi it's a women's health company using vaginal microbiome and the reason i say that is i want her to realize that these are the problems she can solve her generation is the first generation that has a shot at solving problem that our generation failed at failed women at them and she can solve that yeah yeah no that's incredible yeah no we'll put that we'll put that link into the into the show notes as well so that people can access it i guess when i'm listening to you right now you you raised a few points there And I was thinking that you gave the example of dad watching TV.

42:33Yeah. And I was thinking that so much of our society today has been, and actually going back again, you talked about the two most important phrases like imagine and what if. Yes. So much of our society today has become numb to curiosity and imagination because we simply watch TV. Now TV and TV shows and movies can be incredible for imagination if we watch them in that way, because the people that made them are very imaginative. The people that made them are very creative. But what's really interesting is that when we simply subject ourselves to sitting in front of a screen and let those images come to us and we don't use them creatively, we actually become numb.

43:14And I find that the majority of media makes us less creative, less curious, even though the people that made it are curious and creative. Absolutely correct. So I guess so many people feel like at the end of their workday, because they wake up, they do something. A lot of people do something they don't love. A lot of people maybe do something they kind of like. And then by the end of the workday, when they get home, they just want to switch on the TV to switch off. And it's like, switch on the TV, switch off your mind. And then that's how the next few hours pass. How do people find the energy, the ability to say, actually, you know what, I'm going to use this time to be more curious, to be more creative, because that's going to lead to a better world for me and for others.

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45:06We all want to live with more purpose More connection and more joy Sometimes that starts with a small piece of wisdom A perspective shift, a grounding practice Or a story that makes you feel less alone On TikTok, those moments are being shared every single day. Millions are finding people who show meditation techniques, discuss the science of the mind, or share daily habits that many find helpful. Others are opening up about their own journeys, talking about well-being, resilience, and healing in ways that can make you feel seen. And what stands out is the way it's shared. Ideas spread quickly and support can grow from a single post.

45:48and it all happens in a welcoming and supportive space. TikTok stimulates your mind in more ways than one. It's a place for learning, for mindfulness, for tools that support healthier habits and reflections. If you're searching for growth and connection that resonates with your own unique journey, you'll find it on TikTok. Well, first of all, no one should be doing things that they don't enjoy. So I have a very simple rule in my life. As I said, I wake up at 4 a.m. And the day I feel when I wake up at 4 a.m., I'm not jumping out of the bed. That means I'm doing things I don't enjoy. So rule number one, when you wake up in the morning and if you're not jumping out of the bed, you should quit what you're doing because that's not your calling.

46:34When you find your true purpose, find your, you know, not star. You can never, ever just lie down because you're so driven to solve that problem. If I may say, you know, a lot of people talk about passion. I think the passion is for hobbies. Passion is for losers. The true winners have obsession. Obsession to solve the problem, not obsession about things, obsession to solve the problem. When you're truly obsessed about solving a problem, you go to sleep thinking about it and you jump out of the bed wanting to do it. And that to me is find something that you're willing to die for and live for it.

47:17Find something that you're willing to dedicate your life to solving and then solve it, right? And, you know, a lot of people give up because there are anytime you do something, there are going to be the times that things do not working out exactly what you expected. And to me, that's a sign of you're alive. Because the only way you know when you're alive because you have a heartbeat and the heartbeat goes up and down and up and down. And when it's smooth, you're dead. So if you're looking for a life that's a smooth life, you're looking for a life of a dead person. Find things when they're going up and down that tells you you're alive.

47:55When you are down, just hunker down and know that the next beat is going to be up. And when you're on top of that beat, never become too arrogant because always remember the winter is coming and winter shall come, right? And that is the life is that most people spend their life thinking they need to make money. So they do something they don't enjoy. Guess what? When they come home, they cannot enjoy because they wasted their life doing things they don't enjoy. And they turn the TV on, as you say, to switch off their mind. And now they're being bombarded with the most. If you're watching news, unfortunately, it's all about negativity for many reasons.

48:37our mind our amygdala is looking for negative news so negative news catches our attention and that's the reason the newscasters know to get your attention if it bleeds it leads they want to talk about all the negative stuff so you're bombarded and now you're even more negative than you were at work and the thing in life is to get yourself out of that mode not only find your purpose, but truly be grateful for the life you're living in. Many of us have, you know, culturally or, you know, or sometimes religiously, we are told before you eat, do the grace or do the, you know, prayer. Why is that? The reason it is, Jay, is that your body, when it's in the fight or flight response, It stops the digestion.

49:30You cannot digest your food because remember, the reason your body used to be in fight or flight response because the tiger chasing you. And at that point, body says, you don't need to worry about digesting your food. It shuts down your immune system, by the way, because you don't need to worry about immune system because you're going to be lunch for someone else. Or if you survive, then everything calmed down and back to normal. Today, we live in this world where when we are at work, our boss is stressing us out. We come home, your spouse is stressing you out and you're constant stress mode and you're constantly in fight or flight response.

50:02And then we eat food in the fight or flight response. It doesn't get digested. Our immune system is not working. So we get more sick. And then we blame everything on the society. And all it takes is find the job you love. When you come home, be grateful for what loving family you have. Give them the love. And in turn, you will receive the love. and I was just reading about the new book, Jay, you got to tell me about more about the book on this love. If you can go figure that out, everything changes because then when you have love, you're always in the sympathetic mode, parasympathetic mode rather than the sympathetic mode.

50:43Yeah, that's such a great answer. I love the idea that you're saying that we're living in a constant state of fight or flight and a constant state of stress. Yes. And so pretty much every activity we do is in a state of stress that perspective of finding what you love is so needed yet so hard and also different at different times like i remember when i was at college yeah and i work sorry even before college when i was at school yeah i worked ever since i was 14 my parents always wanted me to get a job and i'm very grateful that they set that up and so from the age of 14 I was working I delivered newspapers then I worked at a grocery store and then I worked in retail and then I was a tutor I was always working and I never enjoyed going to the grocery store but I learned valuable skills there that I still use today even though I don't work in a grocery store yeah and what I found is that I could you learn sorry what skills did you learn at a grocery store?

51:50Yeah. I had to, part of my shift was I had to, whenever the truck would come with a delivery, I would have to get one of these handheld pallet pullers, go into the back of the truck, put it underneath the pallets, lift it back up and pull it out and then stack it. Now I hated doing that. Like I absolutely hated doing that and I would try and avoid it at any cost. But that genuinely, I believe, gave me the skill or the ability to do things I don't enjoy doing for something useful. Yeah. In the sense of like, I didn't enjoy doing that task. I didn't love doing it. But there are so many things that you have to do, even when you're building your purpose.

52:29Of course. That you don't want to do that specific thing. But you have a purpose. But you have a purpose. At the grocery store, I didn't have a purpose, but I at least learned to be able to have a discipline of when it's your turn, you've got to show up. You can't just tap out and say, I don't want to do it. And again, these are small skills. these are not but i definitely knew i pretty much knew everything in every aisle like i i knew where it was yeah so if someone asked me where do i find bread i knew it was all 21 if someone knew and that simple idea like today when i'm sitting down and interviewing or i have to prepare i can pretty much sit down and memorize things fairly quickly yeah and i don't think memorization for exams is good but memory is useful in life so many of course it is and so now when i read books i can memorize what's on a page i can get back to that page because i feel there was a lot at that time so i guess what i'm saying is that even if you don't love what you're doing you can learn to love something about it love it love it because you can extrapolate a skill yes that will be useful when you find your purpose and so i found that a lot of jobs have not been i've worked so many jobs that today i live fully in my purpose so it's it's much easier but i've lived so many jobs that weren't in my purpose, but they've all taught me something that is now useful.

53:44But my point, that is, isn't, I think what you said is, I think I want to just double click on that is that even the job that you're doing, find something about that job that you fall in love with. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I think we agree is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I just want to clarify that for people that even if you're doing something where you don't love the whole thing and you may not be in a financial position or a family position to quit your job, at least for now look for the thing about it that you love yes because that will always stay with you that's right and so i i love the direction in which we're going and i'm glad that we're talking about life we're talking about curiosity we're talking about how you set your kids up how do you think you would have responded or when your kids were younger and maybe they weren't so externally successful and they they almost may have had some pushback of course i'm wondering if the kids had any push.

54:36Well, they did. Of course they did. Of course they did. Because I feel like, I don't know any kid who doesn't think. Of course. Kids grow up thinking their parents are not cool. Yes. And then when they grow up, then they're like, oh no, my parents were right. They are much more cool than I thought they were. Can you tell us a bit about some of those moments where the kids kind of didn't agree with your philosophy or theory and what did that look like? Well, you know, a lot of these times when the kids, like for example, when we're talking about that your success is all about the number of lives you improve, I remember my oldest son said, whatever, dad.

55:08And then he walks, you know, he says, dad, at the end of the day, money matters. And I told them, it only matters when you actually believe it matters. Because most of the time, you don't need much for it to matter. After the basic needs are met, after that, it's all, it doesn't matter, right? He and I would, a lot of discussion, say, I want to buy this pair of shoes. and I said, I don't think that makes sense for you to be owning a$200 pair of shoes at this point. And he said, dad, I'm going to go get it and I'm going to go earn it. And I said, sure, if that's what you want to do, that that's what matters to you, go do it.

55:46But I would rather have you spend that time in learning new skills than trying to go do some menial job because you want a pair of shoes. And that was very interesting. And I think maybe I want to just expand on that. a lot of parents, even the successful parents, would say, oh, I don't want to give my kids things to spoil them. I want them to work. I want them to go do the menial tasks so they understand what the money means to them. And I think to some extent, you know, people may disagree with that. My philosophy was very different. My philosophy was my job is to teach you as many things as I possibly can.

56:31And once you learn those set of skills, those are the skills you'll have for rest of your life. That means instead of going out and earning money to pump the gas, I'd rather have you go out and take a summer courses and I'll pay for it, right? I would rather have you go and do internship at some place where you can learn something and not focus on making money. Even it's unpaid, but that's a skill you want to learn. Go do it even if it's unpaid. So it's always about learning, learning, and learning. And the best example I can give you is something I think you'll find funny. When my daughter was 16 years old, she comes to me one day and said, Dad, I know you love science and technology.

57:09I have found my passion and that's what I'm going to pursue. And I just don't want to do anything to do with science and technology. And at that point, most parents would say, sweetie, tell me what your passion is and I want to help you with that. My response to her was, you're too young to have a passion. Dad hasn't done his job of exposing you to everything. So you don't even know the things you don't know. How can you tell me you don't like them? So I say, so she said, Dad, what is it that you want me to do then? And I said, sweetie, what I want you to go is to go to Singularity University.

57:43I want you to learn about nanotechnology. I want you to learn about genetics. I want you to learn about artificial intelligence. I want you to learn about everything. And she rolled her eyes. And by the way, and that's the article I wrote on Inc. Magazine. If you want to find it, it's called An Entrepreneur Versus His Eye-Rolling Teenage Daughter. That's cool. I like that. Now, she says, Dad, you don't hear a word I said. I told you I don't like science and technology. And I said, sweetie, you don't know what these things are, so how can you tell me you don't like them? But here's what I can do for you.

58:17if you promise me that you're going to go there with an open mind wanting to learn and wanting to like, what I would promise you is when you come back, you get to decide what you want because I have done my job of exposing you to things and you get to pick what you want to do. And she said, dad, if you promise me that, I'll go there with an open mind and I will do that. She goes there, comes back. And the first thing she opens the door, she said, dad, I've made up my mind. And my first words I remember was, O-S. And she said, I made up my mind. I said, tell me what you want. I said, dad, I've decided I'm going to be either a geneticist or I'm going to be a neuroscientist.

58:58I shook my head and I said, sweetie, at the risk of you changing your mind, can you tell me what happened? She said, dad, you're so dumb. I'm in high school. I go to these classes in science. I mix things and they change color. And I'm thinking, why do I care? When I went to Singularity University, what I realized was I care about my passion is about women's health. How can I do that if I don't even know how their body works? How can I go change women's life if I don't even know how they think? So to me, the science and technology is simply the tools in my tool chest for me to pursue the purpose I want.

59:37Right? So guess what? If I had done what most parents have done, they would have, she would have never been exposed to these things, she would have never found her true love and world would have missed out on a great entrepreneur. Guess what? When she graduated, she did first company using AI to remove gender bias. And now she's using AI to improve women's health. This is simply because we pursued her to follow, learn rather than simply do something that she wanted to do yeah i what i like about where this is going is that and and as you were saying this i was like i need to talk to another guest that we had on about this i don't know if you know um dr gabor mate and he's an incredible yep expert on child trauma and illness and everything and i now know what i'm going to ask him based on this conversation i've always agreed with exposing yourself to as many ideas thoughts learning as possible and you might disagree with that and And it's so funny that I agree with your daughter because I thought I hated science at school.

1:00:44And then when I grew up and I started reading behavioral science and neuroscience, I was like, I love science. I love science. I didn't know science was about the brain. Exactly. I thought science was about like photosynthesis, which I didn't find interesting. Or it was about cutting a cell open and looking at the layers, which I didn't find interesting. Exactly. And then I was like, but if I knew at 15 or 16 that science was about, you could learn about the brain. Oh my God. and how the brain works and how that I would have been glued every girl in the school would have loved you everything would have changed like everything would have changed but I didn't know that right I didn't know that because the way we were taught a certain subject was so not even basic but it was so specific like plant I've never found plant biology to be interesting not do I by the way but if someone told me about the brain the human brain I find it so interesting and so I can understand i didn't i didn't have someone in my life who could have sent me to singularity university so i missed out but uh but but i can vibe with that so i think exposing yourself to as many new ideas more learning rather than trying to get too fixated too quickly that's right is a really good lesson and that's and also what you're saying that when people when children are growing up my parents encouraged me to do so many things that were uncomfortable for me yes that actually turned out to be superpowers.

1:02:07And there were also things they encouraged me to do that were uncomfortable that did not turn out to be superpowers and both are okay. I remember my parents really wanted me to go to the school that I went to, high school that I went to, because it was a great high school. And if you asked any kid while we were in that high school, they hated it. We hated it. But now when I look back, I am so grateful I went to the high school because I learned so much. And now I look back and I feel so happy that my parents pushed me to do that even with simple things like my parents were really scared that i was going to be a shy kid because i was very quiet i was very self-contained i was very shy and my parents forced me to go to public speaking in drama school i went for seven years to public speaking in drama school today my whole life is public speaking and i always think about them like if i didn't go and i didn't like going i hated going it was so uncomfortable to stand in front of a teacher and learn how to speak and communicate.

1:03:04But today my whole life is based on communication. And I was thinking if my parents didn't push me, if my parents didn't encourage me, I would never be able to do what I do today. So that's what I was, you know, I think you and I talking about that. It's not in your genes, it's the nurturing. It is what they gave you the lessons and made you uncomfortable. And sometimes what we find in life is that if you can learn to love the discomfort, the comfort becomes very easy. Yeah, exactly. And to constantly move in that direction that just because someone finds something uncomfortable that we feel, we think that if something's uncomfortable, we should avoid it.

1:03:47But the truth is that discomfort is where all the growth comes. And I again encourage people to try. I think the idea of trying more things is brilliant. And being exposed to more ideas and more things. And I think that's something we lack. You connect the dots more. as opposed to you have no dots to connect that's absolutely right and i think you know we tend to find people who are just like us because that's what people want but i think we learn a lot from people who are unlike us absolutely absolutely and and they did a study at mit which showed that people were more creative innovative and productive when they knew people who didn't know each other yeah the idea that if you know people who know people who know you you just create an echo chamber where you all have the same ideas and you share the same thoughts.

1:04:34Whereas if you have someone in your community who thinks differently or randomly or whatever it may be, it can spark so much more. I wonder, this is the last area I want to talk to you about is I love the idea that you inculcated into your kids, the idea of improving other people's lives, doing something good for others. How do you find, have you also, were you aware also as a parent about how to help them with their personal mental health and their personal well-being. Of course. Because what we find is, at the moment we find either or, we see people who sacrifice their own well-being for the well-being of others.

1:05:13And we see people who are just struggling with their own well-being that they can't extend themselves to others. I wonder if you were a parent that was conscious of also mental health and well-being and personal well-being. Well, at the end of the day, there is no parent, at least I don't know of any parent, who don't want their kids to be happy, right? So to me, that is just part of in loving someone unconditionally that you do anything to make them happy or anything for their happiness, right? And I'm not suggesting you sacrifice. You know, there's, you know, go slightly tangent. There's things that in life that matter the most is that unconditional love that you can receive or the unconditional love that you can give.

1:05:59And very few types of love that in my humble opinion that are unconditional. We may say we love our spouse unconditionally, but that is still, it's not the same as the love between mom and a child. That love is just so strong. I mean, no one can ever say that. In fact, I think last time, I think when you and I talked about, but I may have shared this story that still to me resonates the best. There was this kid who wanted to join the gang and the gang member said, I don't think you're ready. And he said, no, I'm ready to do anything you want. And he says, if you are really that ready, what I would like you to do would be to show me that you can do anything that needs done is to go take your mom while she's alive, cut her heart and bring the beating heart back to us.

1:06:49Then we know you can do this. The kid says, I can do this. And goes there literally, stabs her mom, takes the beating heart out. And he's walking out. He stumbles and falls down. And the heart and he hears the beating heart says, son, are you okay? That unconditional love where mom says the only thing that matters to her was, are you okay? Not what you did to me. And that kind of unconditional love always brings the tears to my eye that mother didn't care. She simply wanted to make sure that my son was okay, right? Because he stumbled and fell down, right? To me, when you want to do things for your children, sometimes the children may not think it is good for them.

1:07:32And it is your job to be an adult and say, in the long term, it is going to be good for you, whether it is sending you to the school or going to the public speaking. But at the same time, you wanting them to be a mini version of you is where I think parents go wrong. The kids should not be molded to be another mini me, right? And the mini me concept happens more often than we want. The kids of the lawyer become lawyer. The kids of the doctor become doctor. Kids of the teacher become teacher because they all try to make them to be themselves. What I think you and I both agree that our job is to expose them to as many different things as possible.

1:08:15Give them as many dots as they can So someday they're able to connect these dots and create their own canvas and give them that open canvas that they get to create. And they can only create that canvas when we give them also the curiosity and imagination so they can create whatever they want to create and give them that inspiration that is nothing they want to do is impossible. And the only thing that's impossible is the one they believe is not possible. That means they get to decide what is possible and what's not possible. No one else can decide. And the ideas, when they are different, it's okay to be different.

1:08:59Because when people tell you it's a crazy idea, those are the ideas that are worth pursuing. When someone tells you it's a crazy idea, it is an audacious idea that you can go out with. right? What you don't want to be doing things is to simply live a comfortable life and live a smooth life, right? That is to me, the day you stop learning is the day you start dying. Naveen, it has been such a pleasure talking to you as always. I want to let everyone who know, everyone who's watching or listening know as well, if you want to know more about how Naveen thinks, grab his book, Moonshots. If you're someone that wants to set goals, if you're someone that wants to set audacious goals and try and achieve them.

1:09:44Moonshots is the book for you. If you want to find out more about your gut microbiome, the company is called Viome, V-I-O-M-E. We will put the link in the show notes as well if you want to get a gut test done to understand more about everything that we just spoke about from that perspective. And the third is Evie about women's health, which we will also add into the show notes. Naveen, it has been a joy sitting down with you again as always my friend and uh every time i sit with you i definitely feel i can be a little bit more audacious i feel that i'm always being mindful of my gut when i'm with you and today i'm also really really happy that i feel the message that has really come through is whatever we do we have to do it to improve the world around us and continue to serve humanity a lot so thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on today uh it's been a pleasure thank you well jay i just You have always been on purpose and I just love spending time with you and I hope to see you again soon.

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