Nick Kyrgios ON: How to Deal with Being Misunderstood & Stop Trying to Live Up to People's Expectations

34:39This has been brought to you by AT &T. AT &T believes connecting inspires, unites, heals and helps us grow. Connecting changes how we live our lives for the better. How did she give you the time of day to make you believe that? Because like you said, for a lot of people, and you've been together for a bit now. Yeah, two years now coming up, but I just bought Amira off a small company. It was just excuses, you know, just an excuse. How am I going to get her to just give me the chance? And I feel like these people that hate me or don't like how I go about things, they just, they won't even give me a chance.

35:12They won't even listen because they think that I'm crazy. And do you think you just, you just started playing the character at one point? Definitely. Well, that's, you know, at the end of the day, you know, money's important. So I knew that that Nick could, that's the one that everyone wanted. They didn't give, they didn't care about how I actually was. They just wanted that one. Like brands just wanted to work with that one. Wow. And that was hard. Like I was like, every time I do something brand wise earlier in my career I was exhausted I got home thank god that's over so I could just be myself again and I'd meet people and they would just want that and how did you know that were there people in your like vicinity like telling you that or like because that's fascinating right like the construction of talent is something that I think the average person is so separated from like when I moved to LA five years ago and I coach and work with so many different people in different parts of whether it's music, acting, athletes, and you start recognizing how their management and their teams want them to be a certain persona, whether it's like you've got to show that you're single because otherwise people won't be into you if you have a long-term relationship or you've got to be this way so that this brand will want to work with you.

36:28How much of that was in your ear? Were you hearing things like that or was it more in your own mind? It was more in my own mind. I think my team now have only ever wanted me to be happy and be myself and I know that and that's why I keep them around I have a really small circle but I knew that brands just that I knew that they wanted that Nick and that's it's it's sad in a way because they don't even want to get to know me like as me as a person like we wouldn't even sit down have this conversation with they just wanted me to be that the one they see on the court like be the entertaining one and it's like I'm not like that I'm very chilled out and yeah I just I feel like most people just want to meet that one yeah because it sells tickets gets attention, gets the headlines it makes a moment out of it when was the day where you felt you played that character really well?

37:17When would you say you're like, you know what, that was the best acting gig I ever did Last year at the US Open was good Arthur Ashe Stadium in New York is the biggest stadium that we have and it's crazy you go to the back and you look up on the plane, it's just like a wall of people glaring down at you and that's the coolest thing about tennis there's nowhere to hide if you're having a bad day, you can't sub out Like there's no one to play your position. So you're just there. And I just feel like New York and the Americans, I feel extremely at home here. I feel like they really do enjoy when you put on a show and you do some crazy stuff out there.

37:49So every time I was stepping out on that court, it was like five minutes before I was in the locker room, I was like, okay, I've got to be more of that Nick tonight because I do appreciate the love that the American fans do give me. But yeah, every match was a bit of a show. Do you feel differently about different places around the world? you've traveled of course as a tennis player you travel everywhere how do you feel like when you're in australia versus when you're in the uk versus when you're in the us like walk me through the differences you experience as a player in the media and everything else australia i hate playing in australia like that's gonna if you're gonna air this obviously that that's gonna people think that like most australians love playing australia but there was one kind of moment that ruined it for me i was playing second round of the australian open i had some match points was like a four and a half hour match and I'd lost I'd lost second round I remember getting booed off the court in Melbourne and that was one of the worst feelings for me because I remember after that match I was I locked myself in the physio room with my physio and there were just people knocking it on the door like I had to do media I had to do this and I was just I turned the lights off and I was just so overwhelmed like I'd given my absolute all in front of my my fans for four hours and I lost the match and I just got booed off the court and for me that really ruined that put a sour taste in my mouth playing in australia and i know now like i've had some great results in australia and they have been behind me but i don't forget things like that i feel like if i loved someone and i understood the effort and the hours i put in i would never do that i'd never boo off one of my hometown heroes so and that's why i guess it's affected my relationship with australia you know playing for the country it's because i've been batted in the media there like they've said some horrible things like there are some australian legends that have told me and my family to go back to where we come from and i just don't forget things like that i've had leighton hewitt call me on my phone and say why don't you want to play for the country everyone here wants you here and it's like yeah but i know no other player in the in the country has dealt with the backlash or the the negativity towards their family their girlfriend like me like that that hurt so i guess playing in australia for me i don't i don't really like a london i just don't fit it there at all like wimbledon it's a crazy feeling it's like the documentary said it's like snowman in the desert it literally is i walk around there everyone's like oh my god he's wearing like i could be wearing like an anime shirt they're like oh look what he's wearing everything i do there's like under a microscope and that's a that's a cool feeling i guess novak would kind of understand what that feels like too it's like the villain you know it's like no one wants to see you win no one's and you made the finals yeah people like piers morgan just throwing absolute venom at you and that's why i feel i love playing the us open because i feel wow this is at home like the energy is amazing and they they bring that energy that i have and i love playing there so yeah australia and england are a bit i don't like playing there but us i love it yeah good yeah i love asia as well asia is amazing asia too yeah they just think asia just love entertainment they love something different and they're they're respectful you know that i think they get the thing that people are different there but yeah i love i love playing in asia as well what would have changed if you were allowed to be nice guy nick from the beginning like and and people perceived you as you actually are like how do you think that would have impacted your game your career the work well the first five years of my career i was almost impossible to get any sort of deal with anyone because they just thought i was volatile crazy they didn't want me representing their brand where i feel like if they knew how i was and actually like a nice guy that would have made a lot more money.

41:18I probably would have been more at peace with people actually knowing that I was a good guy. Because for a minute there, I thought the whole world thought that I was just a terrible person. I feel like it would have helped me. I definitely don't think I would have fell into that dark period of my life as well. But conversely, I don't want to change that because that makes me who I am today. Obviously, I know everyone kind of says that. But when I opened up on social media about it, the amount of people that now open up to me daily, I got people around the world that you know i give them my number and i've had phone calls with people and tried to articulate in a way that it's okay like that's completely normal what you're going through but like please keep reaching out to me stay in touch with me if you need any help so that's been the most powerful thing in my career at the end of the day is helping others getting through rough patches of their life all the accomplishments i don't actually care about them i would i don't all my people know i don't ever sit there and talk about what i've achieved like I don't really care about it I think that's all a bit superficial but the platform that I have now is amazing what I can do with it yeah it's interesting isn't it as a professional we assume that complete control is a demonstration of brilliance when the reality is that when you're playing something you love it's natural to be passionate yep and like I think I mean I'm not an athlete but as in even if I'm playing football with my mates if I miss a shot yeah it sort of misses a penalty yeah i can take it very seriously yeah and i don't see that's a sign of passion and care and enthusiasm and energy it's not a sign of not caring they're not caring or being angry at someone or being mad at my mate it's my mate he's always going to be my mate but in that moment yeah it's like dude you should have put that penalty away right and but we've tried to make especially in tennis yeah it's almost like there's no space for passion and personality especially in tennis Yeah, it's a very, look, it's a white privileged sport.

43:11So I was again, I was behind the eight ball from the get go, you know, I was colored, had some, you know, big personality, wore the emotion on my sleeve. So I was always trying to play against so many more people than just so who was down. Beating the best players in the world is already hard enough. You know, the training every day, the diet, the discipline, that was already hard. But me, it was like I was playing against millions more people every time I went out on the court. And I think that's why I'm a bit more exhausted than the average tennis player now. when someone goes out there they're not they're just playing against who's down the other end but i was playing against the media i was playing against because i knew that every little thing i did was under such a microscope and even if i had a flawless match i was like oh that's how he should be anyway but then the minute i did something bad it was like oh here it is see that's his true colors i was like i couldn't win i actually couldn't win and then if i was well behaved and disciplined it was like oh no it's boring so it's like okay which one do you want and that's how i've always felt like on the tennis world that they haven't embraced me and that's why i've got such a big chip on my shoulder now with the tennis world it's like i don't know anyone anyone anything anymore so that's been the biggest it's just been a whole contra like a walking contradiction my entire my entire career it sounds like a lot to carry yeah it is it is and i think that's why i fell into that dark space because i knew that i couldn't win no matter what I did how does this I wanted to show you this yeah this one take a look at that it's uh from the boss open Stuttgart June 2023 I believe don't look happy um yeah and I was just oh this was when me coming off my knee injury and I had a pretty pretty serious operation and I just knew that physically I would probably wasn't ready to go and it's hard because even when I don't play or you know even during COVID the tennis world used me as a kind of one of the key marketing points to keep I guess the sport afloat whilst during that period and that's been one of the hardest things as well it's like from a sport that's given me so much negativity and you know kind of treated me like an outcast they still use me as you know someone that they want to you know put on the front cover for you know tickets or getting people to be there so it's like I know that I just get treated so poorly in the tennis world it's like it just honestly I look at that photo I just look like I'm just spent like I just so much there's just no energy there and it's sad because I'm just in front of a camera doing another interview because the tournament needs it yet I know that if I which I did go on to lose that match got got hate for it so yeah it's hard it's hard it really is are you trying to heal your relationship with tennis and the industry like for yourself in the sense of it almost feels like you have you carry there's validity to this of course like you carry like a sense of like pain and stress and victimhood to the industry because there's been so much pain caused to you is there any part of you that's trying to heal that so that you're not carrying that bitterness towards the industry.

46:18I think so much damage has been done from, I guess, because when people ask me, like, if you had your time again, would you ever pick up a racket? And I genuinely thought about it. And I don't think I'd ever play the sport. Like, I don't think I'd ever pick up a tennis racket. And that's such a scary thing because it's like, my whole life has been built off tennis. And if I had this again, like to go again, I wouldn't play tennis and i think that's that's so hard and it's so dark like my whole life now revolves around what i've achieved on the court but then if i could do it again i wouldn't ever want to pick up a racket and that is like and i'm genuinely being honest like i've had conversations with myself about it but i don't think i can repair the damage that i guess the sports brought upon me and just anyone like the amount of stress that has put on my family has you can't heal that But like, you know, about six months ago, someone came to my house with a gun and pointed at my mom to steal my car.

47:14And I never thought that I'd bring that up. Like I live in Australia in a nice neighborhood, like where things like that just don't happen. And it's just been hard. Like I never thought I'd deal with things like that. And like the trauma that my mom has now gone through. And yeah, I don't think I can repair my relationship with tennis at all. Wow. I mean, that's, yeah. it's amazing that you've been able to kind of take care of yourself and your family and figure it out because a few years ago, I interviewed Dennis Rodman and it was one of the toughest interviews I've ever done because he was in a really bad place at the time.

47:51I don't know him personally, so I don't know if he's better now or, you know, where he's at. But all I remember was that in that interview he was like i asked him what his purpose in life was and he said to survive another day like that's where he was at and a lot of it was because of how he'd felt treated by the media because he was like you know dennis rodman was everywhere when you know not only was he successful on the court but off the court his whole life was documented in so many ways and and he was the wild card too like in his in his persona yeah and it's just fascinating to me like it's almost like until someone crashes or until someone burns we don't realize how heavy media and like i don't think our brains are wired for millions of opinions no they're not to write about us and our performance and our families and our life and i think the amount of people that are now dealing with that today who are in the spotlight constantly has only increased there are more people in the spotlight there are more people criticizing people in the spotlight and i don't think we've ever stopped to think about and when someone is as honest as you you can only empathize to think yeah we don't realize the damage we're doing to people because i don't think it's tennis that you matter as a sport yeah the activity it's what comes with it is what it sounds like to me yeah definitely it's not playing tennis no because i i enjoy it i think tennis is a great sport and everyone who plays it i'm like it's i can see how it's enjoyable and it's it's great for you but yeah it's more so i think kari irving you know i love some of his stuff because he says like i don't think people want to say words can actually hurt someone a lot and i've told i had i've said the exact same thing like fame and social media it's all man-made like it's someone's not supposed to deal like supposed to wake up and then see such negativity feed into their brain constantly every day and like how how do you expect someone to just perform or just survive with that much negativity and yeah I have conversations obviously you wouldn't understand but I have conversations with some of friends about it no one can understand that because it's like it's not normal like you're not supposed to see all that negativity you're not supposed to deal with it and i don't know i guess i've kind of run out of answers or solutions as to how do you deal with that like yeah you can speak to people about it but it's so overwhelming and how do you stop it and you're right until someone really crashes and burns then you're like i think we push it too far but that's human nature we all take things for granted and we all don't understand our actions until you know there's a reaction but yeah I mean I don't like to word it in the sense that I'm just surviving every day I'm just surviving but it does feel like that for me like that's why everything's a bonus like if I'm here tomorrow and I'm enjoying it I'm eating chipotle and I'm going to watch a Lakers game or a Clippers game like that's amazing like that's awesome I never thought that I'd still be here doing those things but obviously Dennis just couldn't obviously articulate any other way like that's how it is that's how it feels like at times and just a bit dark to say it like that but But yeah, he was in a dark place.

51:09But I guess that's just what it feels like for me half the time as well. What I was saying is it's amazing that you've been able to be more upbeat and kind of positive. And I hope you keep finding that because just from the few moments we've spent, I can tell you like having a good time. You like smiling. You like laughing. You know, like there's a positive energy that surrounds you from the moment you walked into my home today. And I hope you always hold on to that because you have that natural ability to make people feel good and have a positive energy. And I hope you never lose that because it seems to be naturally who you are.

51:46It's so easy to go down the other track. How have you managed though with your relationship too? Like obviously you're quite public about your relationship. How have you managed to maintain that in a positive way as well? Because that seems to be a positive part of your life, a part of your life you like sharing, a part of your life that you were talking about earlier. But having a relationship in the spotlight is very challenging. So how have you managed to keep that in the spotlight, but then also keep it positive?

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53:17They don't need to keep searching for perfection. Listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, I was very, that just comes from experience as well. I've had relationships prior that, you know, were toxic and they didn't end up going well. And I think the thing I love about my relationship now we have such strong boundaries and respect for each other like we don't and in with social media and relationships in general like boundaries can be a bit soft and i think you know i come from a background where my parents have been together for nearly you know 40 years and they're you know they're still they argue and they they joke with each other they get each other's nerves and you know i spoke to my mom about it she goes patience is the biggest thing in a relationship where communication and patience and i think like my girlfriend's a bit more a bit younger than I am but we've we've sat down we've we've set our boundaries and respect for each other and I think that's why it works because we understand that if being in the spotlight's brutal like for relationships there's always going to be people trying to tear you down send a message here or there like even liking a phone like these type of things and I've now realized that I have to be diligent with these things because it's a respect thing like on social media I guess that's like who you are in today's day and age is who you are who are you on Instagram who are you on Twitter so you have to make sure that you're ticking every box on those sort of platforms but yeah like and my girlfriend gets it and she listens to me if I hadn't have all these experiences she wouldn't listen so she knows that I've been through a lot and and she trusts me as well so she's very she does listen and we have a great relationship yeah yeah the boundaries part is so important it's so important yeah you know like if I always have this example like you know like if if she was like pregnant with my kid and my phone just popped up with like you know girls just like liking my photo and stuff like that plays a part and that builds up you know tension and then it just explodes so you know I try and tick every box and make her feel comfortable and respected and especially it's heightened because we're in the spotlight so much so I try and I try and do everything I can to make her feel comfortable yeah no it's uh you know I think it was I remember my wife and I had been together for like three years before Oh.

55:27No, we'd been together for, we'd been married for three years and together for six years before we did something together publicly on social media. and I felt that that was so important for us because we'd been together for a while but then when social media started to take off for me and and the content that I was making we were just still like finding our foundations and like figuring it out and I can't imagine if we would have been active on social media together in any way earlier than that for us because I think I was just figuring out what it meant for me then she was figuring out what it meant for her and I feel like a lot of people it doesn't matter whether you have a platform or not we're not having those conversations and figuring that out with another human being and even now even to this day my wife has different priorities on social media and what she wants to share than I do and it comes with so many interesting question marks like we had someone asking us a question of like oh like well you post about your relationship but she doesn't like Does that mean there's an issue?

56:34And I was like, no, it's just we have different ways. Like I love sharing about our relationship. She likes keeping it a bit more private. Like that doesn't mean that there's an issue. But it's so fascinating how everything gets taken out of context. Yeah, I think most relationships, the problems stem from social media. And, you know, I've got friends that have very healthy relationships with different standards on social media, like you said. But I feel like to give the relationship the best chance of working, you need to see eye to eye on those things because in my previous relationships the standards on social media weren't the same and they weren't as respected of both sides and it didn't go well but here we have we see eye to eye and I think it's a crucial part of it because again social media what is it like I didn't grow up with social I had a flip phone and I remember the first time when Instagram became a thing and it was like used to share a picture of a flower and stuff now it's like a whole business it's like it's just evolving and it's changing so i think you need to have it's so important to have these conversations because they unfortunately it plays a huge part in relationships it does yeah another thing that came up on social media was your interaction with drake oh yeah you posted did you ever get together well the thing is we didn't our beef was so yeah so ridiculous like i was 19 and i just said i came out slow so i'm not listen to Drake I said it jokingly and then he came out and said oh who is this guy I'll chop him down and I was like all right you're five you're like five nine I'm six foot four and then um and then he reached out after Wimbledon and then I I went back and I would love to I mean I would love to get him on on on my stuff but here I mean I also respect these guys have so much going on you know in in their life and if they speak to me or send me a message that's a bonus yeah it comes back to all that being a bonus so I do love his music I'm just gonna say that yeah yeah so do I yeah it's good it's good and but no it's funny but that so that was an old conversation yeah an old conversation yeah yeah yeah that's funny that's funny no I mean I think I mean watch it I think you guys doing a podcast today would be dope that would be cool I think it'd be really good let's put it out there I think that'd be cool that'd be good that'd be awesome to watch no it's I love what you keep going back to man I think it's you know I've met so many people who have achieved incredible things but they've lost that childlike view of it they've lost that not that they've lost gratitude, but they've lost that feeling of like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this.

59:00Like that feeling of magic. And it feels like you've held on to that. I think that's the only thing I, like even just driving to your house today, like I was like, this is insane. Like I just, I love, yeah, I just love, like I have utmost respect for everything you've created. Like you must just look back at your journey and be like, wow, like this is sick. And I love reminding people of like not that they need it but like it feels good when someone comes into you and actually is like dude well done like good stuff because I can only imagine how hard you've worked for everything here and like I feel like the normal person doesn't really realize how hard someone has to work to achieve all this you didn't just put your hand into a raffle and pull it out and be like okay I'm Jay Shetty now with all this like and I just love making people feel that way and it's because it's yeah we all started from from something so small and I think that's so cool and and you still and how you find a way to still let yourself feel that way yeah sometimes I I like making myself feel good and it's not in an arrogant way it's like I just think I've done some pretty cool things like you know whether it be on the tennis court or collaborations with people like it's a it's cool and I think for the viewers that are going to watch this like it's not like you just we just started in this position like we were just normal people and we didn't really ask for everything that came with it we're all trying to figure it all out yeah what's been your proudest moment off the court i guess anytime i'm with my family and you know we're having a good dinner together we might be eating at a restaurant and just all together just any moment like that for me now is the best i just feel like we were because during that period when I was really unwell.

1:00:40I didn't talk to my family at all. I didn't, you know, speak to them. I gave them, I put so much stress on, on my family. And now when we meet up and we have a gathering and we're all there and we're just having some good laughs. Like those are the, my, my favorite moments now. Like the simplest of things are so, make me so happy now. Yeah. Do you do a lot together during the holidays coming up? Yeah. We got, there's so many, you know, we have the annual Curious Christmas party, like things like this. Tell me about that. Tell me about the annual curious christmas so every every year there's like in canberra like three to four hundred people come through our house during the night three to four hundred people and then they're coming and going there's always a theme like this year it's gatsby so everyone's going to be in suits cigars and stuff so it's good last year was like superhero super villains like those types of things now are amazing like i can't wait to just see all my loved ones family and friends and that's what i look forward to now and yeah i guess everything that i achieve is and then people like ask me that they're like no you're just being humble it's like no i genuinely just love simple moments like that so good yeah yeah what's you were talking about you've been inspired by the next generation walk me through a moment you've had with like a young fan or or one of those moments that you feel like that stays with you and that keeps you motivated and keep going well i guess my game style is you know unorthodox and you know i'm playing crazy shots in crazy moments and when people send me videos of like their young kids playing they're trying to hit a tweener or they're trying to serve like me that that's cool I think someone that I kind of look up to is like Alan Iverson you look at his basketball game and you look at the culture he left you know the way he dressed and he's some of his press conferences are hilarious and I think he had his own style and people wanted to be him and I think when I when it's all said and done there's going to be so many people around the world trying to play like me and play the shot that they're not supposed to play and because it gives them that thrill so I think if if that carries on at the end of my career that's that's something pretty special yeah it's very cool i remember i still remember the alan iverson reebok i am what i am adverts i don't know if you had yeah reebok back in australia back then but in the uk we had these ads and it used to just say i am what i am and alan iverson kicked it off and it stayed with me ever since that day even though you know i i maybe never didn't even follow the brand or the sport that much yeah but still it stayed with me yeah he's like the definition of that like yeah I just love his press conference so good because he was just like a human he said like I cry just like you guys you know I'm not the best every day I don't feel like working I don't feel like showing up but and you expect me to do all these things and I think yeah we're just normal people towards athletes or people that you know have a lot of things going on like they just lose a bit of compassion towards those people I think yeah you've mentioned crying a few times i was wondering when was the last time that you like really cried or something that really made you cry i probably could have broken down a couple times during some of this conversation but i try not to um i try to control it a little bit more these days i just feel like i used to cry a lot you know i've had conversations with my you know my mom um heaps of people i feel like i can break down so often just because things are just so raw and they just have it's like if you pull the wrong string I feel like at any moment in time I probably could get really emotional but I think we do need to be a bit stronger than that at times um but yeah I my dad I draw a lot of strength from my dad you know he's he never cries and he's always he's like a strong person in our family so I try and look I look up to him a lot with that type of stuff so yeah I mean I used to cry a lot yeah but do you see do you still see crying as a weakness or you've seen it as a good outlet as well I mean you're obviously feeling that way for some reason I think it's not good to let it in it's not good to bottle it up during this conversation and I felt like crying and because you've touched on things that are so emotional and I think that if I don't try and be stronger then I'm always gonna you know someone's gonna watch this like I don't want them to think it's like the only way is to open up and cry about it you can be strong about things and I still feel like crying.

1:04:41Of course I do. But I feel like I need to be a bit stronger than that. Yeah, that's an interesting, I like that kind of nuance because of course I believe it's healthy to cry. I think it's necessary to cry sometimes when you feel a certain way. But at the same time, I agree with you that the ability to know you feel like crying but keeping it together, not for performance or not for the sake of how other people feel, but you're almost strengthening your ability to deal with an emotion. is an interesting nuance because I feel like the world used to tell men like you can't cry and then it became like you should cry and then there's like this in between which is the reality of like I can relate to what you just said where I'm like I like crying sometimes I think it's important but then there's sometimes where I'm like no actually I want to be able to hold myself like I just gave a it was my sister's wedding like two months ago and I didn't anticipate how emotional it was going to be.

1:05:40So my sister's like five years younger than me. She's been my baby ever since she grew up. She's a little kid for me. She's short as well. She's shorter than me. So it's like, she's literally like a child. And I knew her wedding was coming up and all the rest of it. You prepped yourself for it. I kind of prepped myself, but I didn't realize how emotional it was going to be. And Indian weddings are like huge. I got a guy, he's going to be watching this for sure. He told me about, he sent me all the videos, nuts. You guys are crazy. It's crazy. So it was five events over seven days. And every event has like 300 people.

1:06:14And so we're out there and I was more emotionally drained after that week than I am for my whole year of like giving and helping and everything that I do. That was the most emotionally moving week of my entire life. And I walked my sister down the aisle. And if you watch the video, I'm literally trying and I'm doing what you just said you had to do. I just had to hold back because I knew if I cry. and she sees me cry, then she's going to cry. Then her makeup's going to go bad. Then she's going to be mad at me later that I made her cry on her wedding day. And so I'm holding it back. And then my wife thought about it ahead.

1:06:48She told her, she goes, don't look at him during the wedding ceremony because he's going to be crying. And so my sister avoided eye contact with me the whole ceremony because the whole time I was crying. And it was just fascinating to me because I've probably not cried that much ever in my life. But there were times when I had to hold back for her sake and there were times when I let it out. And I like that you brought that up because I do think that we've gone from one extreme to the other extreme of men never cry to men should cry all the time to figure out that healthy balance. Yeah, I think it's with anything, like you get injured, you break a bone, it heals, you get stronger.

1:07:24So like, it's not to say that you shouldn't acknowledge the pain or acknowledge crying, but trying to stay strong through those moments, I think is just as important of realizing, yeah, you're hurt and those are touchy topics. but how are you going to every time someone brings it up you're just going to cry or are you going to be able to talk about and educate other people that are going through the same thing you know i think you've got to be a beacon um and just yeah hold it together a little bit what's your days looking like right now like now that you're in your element you're having a good time things are opening up you're doing new creative endeavors what what does your day look like right now and what you're loving about it yeah well my team comes with me for these opportunities and obviously like you know i i kind to, it's all insane.

1:08:05The fact that I have these options now. And so obviously training is a big part of my day still, you know, obviously rehabbing through, you know, surgeries and just maintaining that strength whilst you're not playing is a big thing. You can get pretty, you know, relaxed with it and you can lose years of work in, in a couple of months. So, you know, I'm trying to stay on top of that. And then with doing all these things, I feel like I just got a new passion because I, I love communicating with people. I love learning about people and I love helping. I just love entertaining giving the audience something different than what they've seen from me the last 10 years so just all these types of things training you know seeing the world with my girlfriend is is I know that we're extremely blessed you know 95 % of relationships you don't get to travel you don't get to do the world like we get to do it so I know that I'm extremely blessed in that department and a little 1 % of NBA games I love basketball so yeah you've been watching yeah yeah I'm watching we might be going tonight to the game too oh nice who's your team I'm a Boston Celtic fan.

1:09:00Okay. So being in LA is tough. Yeah. What's been the best country you've visited or favorite place that you visited maybe with your girlfriend, even on your own that's kind of like left the mark? Well, Australia is the best place in the world. I'm just going to say that. It is. Every person that goes out. I love going to us. I had the best time. Out of my whole tour, I had so much fun in Australia. It was amazing. Australia is the best place in the world. I love the States personally just because of the sport. You guys do sport here like nothing else. um but my mom is half malaysian i'm half malaysian my mom's malaysian so every time i go to malaysia or you know any asian country i love the food like you know my mom cooks i'm not just saying this my mom is honestly one of the best cooks in the world and i've grown up with such a good food background so i love i could live in asia hands down um but the states probably someone there i mean i'm half greek europe's nice but australia is the best place in the world it's the best place where in australia if someone had to visit where should they go i mean i come from Canberra and everyone from Australia thinks Canberra is not a very good place but I love the simplicity of Canberra like it's a very I love coffee like I love the cafe scene I love just chilling but Sydney Melbourne or even Gold Coast some of that beautiful places just such a good lifestyle they're so safe and you can just do whatever you need to do in Sydney I mean Australia in general so yeah yeah I need to go back I went for work yeah and I always feel like when you go for work it's different definitely of course and so I was like I was telling my wife I was like we have to go back and just experience it i'd like to come come to you for a recommendation yeah we've got a couple good spots a couple good spots what would you say now if there's anything keeps you up at night still yeah so i lost my i lost my grandma when i was about 19 after i first broke onto the scene and she was like my best friend through my childhood like my mom and my mom was always working i didn't get to see much my mom like my grandma picked me up from school dropped me into trainings we slept in the same room together we had bunk beds like we were like best friends and she kind of passed away when things started to get a bit crazy for me in my career like media and you know I probably didn't spend enough time with her that I would have liked and I think back to when you know we she was in a nursing home towards the end of her life and I feel like that kind of really bothers me I feel like tennis took time away not tennis itself like you said the sport just everything that came with it took special time away that I should have had with her and I was so young and naive to say to these people no I don't want to do it like it was like the time where you know money was coming in for my family I was changing my entire family's life so I felt like that that sits with me and that's painful because she was my best friend and she I guess she maybe understood it maybe she didn't so I feel like if I could spend some more time with her instead of doing media or an interview or business or something like that I guess I wish I could have more time with her but hopefully she's up there watching and proud of everything that I'm doing now and yeah I guess that I think about that you know all the time that's that's that's a tough one when you can't do anything about it now can't change yeah you can't change it those are the ones that are like you know it's it's tough thinking you could have done more and you're so young too and like your career is taking off like it's so forgivable in that sense like Like, you know, it's, how would you know at 19 what to prioritize and what to focus on?

1:12:21And you're living the dream in one sense. And like you said, you're changing your family's life. It's hard to deal with that. And I guess, would you say, it doesn't sound like that's a regret though. It sounds like it's something that's kind of. Yeah, I think I used to think it was like, I used to really be upset about it. And I was regretful of doing everything that came with it. I was like, I hated tennis. I hated everything that came around it. Cause I was like, we just, I just kind of, I didn't leave her, but I kind of just didn't spend as much time as I used to spend with her. So now I've come to understand it.

1:12:52Like I was young. I didn't, I wasn't educated on, you know, these things that I had to be doing. So I guess I've been a bit nicer to myself on that, on that topic, but I still think about it. Like I unfairly think about it at nighttime. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's, it's amazing how the mind works, right? You can literally avoid something the whole day. And somehow at night, it comes back. And it's just almost like on clockwork, like on time. It's so fascinating. Have you found a way of switching those thoughts off? I guess I just realized now that that's just more love and more time than I wanted with her.

1:13:28So I'll try and look at it as a positive. Why am I always thinking about this moment? Why is it always coming up? It's just because she meant a lot to me. And I have so much more stuff that I wish I could just sit down with her now and speak about everything that's been going on. And, you know, she would love it. She was the ultimate jokester in our family. She was just a free spirit. And I feel like that's where I get some of my personality from on the court. So if I could just sit down with her now and just chat about things would be amazing. And I guess that's what I just try and turn into a positive.

1:13:57Like I just got so much stuff that I want to talk to her about. And I feel like, yeah, if she was here during that dark time, I think I would have got through it a lot easier. but yeah I guess I just turned into a positive Parking shouldn't slow you down ParkWiz gives every driver a shortcut book ahead, save up to 50 % and skip the hassle of circling the block park smarter, park faster ParkWiz, download the ParkWiz app today and save every time you park yeah there's also you've said that you know after the Wimbledon game with Djokovic you felt like you could have won it and there was a feeling like you could have done that that could have been it how much does that play on your mind a lot that i was two sets away from winning wimbledon and you know if i played anyone else on planet that day i felt like i would have won so yeah i mean now i'm at peace with it but for the three to four months after that was like an everyday it was like not just a nighttime thing it was like what could i have done differently every time i was in the gym every time i was on court like why didn't i you know that was my opportunity why didn't i just grab it but now i understand like the more he achieves now the more I'm nice I'm like okay no everyone's trying to still figure this out but um yeah I mean look nine more than 99 % of the world hasn't figured out how to beat him on a consistent basis so I can't be too angry about it yeah I like that perspective that's a good mindset to have yeah and but it's so interesting right like I can totally empathize with that idea of how you can be so harsh and heavy on yourself for like three to four months because you can over analyze how How have you mastered the art of limiting over analysis?

1:15:37Or what have you learned about stopping over analysis to the point that it becomes a weakness? Well, tennis is a sport where you have to be a good loser because every week you're losing. Unless you're one of these top guys who's winning consecutive tournaments, you're experiencing a loss every week. And you just have to pick yourself up and go again in a different country, different surface, different time zone. So you just have to just be really good at understanding what you've done wrong, moving on and just going again. Because one week, one to two weeks in tennis can change your life. You can have 30 bad weeks in a row.

1:16:08The minute you have one really good result, things change for you. So you have to, that's what I love about tennis. You have to learn to bounce back quickly. And I think it's, that's a life lesson. Like you're going to experience ups and downs. Things are going to be horrific for a couple of months. They might be great. So it's like riding the wave and being kind of equal through everything and just backing up and going again. consistency is you learn that from tennis so early on which is cool I like that yeah with other sports you have an off season so you have like a period of time to say well what do I need to get better I can get stronger with tennis there's no off season it's like every week it's a new tournament so you can't be too down when you lose and then when you win it's like but you're playing tomorrow so you gotta just start again yeah what's something in life that you've had to learn the hard way um hmm that's hard yeah take your time I don't know.

1:16:59Let me ask you that question. What, something I've had to learn the hard way? Here's a hard question, so let me take a second too.

1:17:13That no one's coming to save me. That no one, no one magic person is going to discover my abilities, my qualities and help me become the best version of myself that there's not going to be one person who just activates it all you activates it all and makes it easier and shows me the path and clears all that you know clears all the obstacles and says jay just walk this way and like when you put something in in iphone maps and it tells you which direction to go exactly like someone who's going to come and show you the map of life and no matter how much someone cares or doesn't care it's that's not there and i think i've i think i just had this inbuilt belief since i was young that someone else was going to discover me and help me yeah and it was only when i realized that that person was me that life became easier but it took me a long time to learn that and you know they talk about it in dating especially for the way women were raised but it's called the disney princess syndrome this idea of like how disney made young women believe that one day your knight in shining armor will come and save you and there'll be this perfect guy who has everything figured out and you'll kiss a frog and he'll become a prince and all these ideas and i think we all carry that in some ways so i think that's been really hard for me and i think the other one was what we were talking about earlier like i think something i've had to learn the hard way is i deeply believed that when i achieve a certain level of success that everyone will like me yeah or that when i make it to this level that everyone will recognize my struggle and my pain and everyone will acknowledge how hard i've worked yeah i guess that's that's probably my biggest one like i wish people like when i meet new people that they just like how i am with people that have achieved things i'm so grateful i'm so like proud of them in a way and i don't even know these people but i'm like wow you must have worked really hard like that for me is like i wish people would give me more just maybe a little bit more credit from time to time you know just of some of the things that it it's been hard it hasn't been like an easy journey at all for me and for I'm sure anyone in a position of achieving things.

1:19:39It's been so hard. Yeah. And that can be anything, right? Like I think we're talking about everyone. Everyone. Just anyone. If you're someone who's just figuring out how to pay the bills for your family or you're taking care of your kids. Like you deserve a little pat on the back. You deserve to sit down and be made to feel good a little bit about things, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's almost weird because we think of that as cheesy. Yeah. And we think of that as like, oh, get over it. But I feel like we all need – me and my friend talk about this. my best man at my wedding though my best mate we talk about this a lot about how we all need a sense of acknowledgement yeah and recognition for what we're doing yeah and a lot of the time that scene is like soft or it's seen as like oh you shouldn't need that like get over it i think it's motivating like i think it makes you want to achieve more when people recognize okay you're doing really well you're on the right track keep going it's not like it's not arrogant i think to just sit down and recognize that i've come a long way i'm on the right track and what i'm doing is very special i think that could be motivating in a way rather than seen as like soft or why do you need credit for that like it's like you're not doing things that every single person is doing like that you're doing obviously something about you is special your your you know your details are you're ticking everything off the box like that's you shouldn't need acknowledgement for that yeah what's uh is there is there a moment that you wish you had acted differently in a press conference or in a game a moment where you look back and think you know what actually i'm better than that and i'm i'm such a i'm a nice guy that's not me that was so far from who i am that i actually don't feel good about yeah i've had so many moments like that i mean i could go on youtube now and i guess the thing about tennis is when you finish a match you only have you you have to do media like so soon to when finishing so you haven't had time to digest any sort of emotions so you go in there and the thing about it now with me, I walk into a room with about 50 people all ready to attack me.

1:21:34They're not actually going to ask me about, oh, how did the match play out? They're going to just nitpick and come at me in an aggressive way. And I haven't had time to digest. I haven't even eaten after four hours sometimes. And then when I did that time on Piers Morgan, he's like, this guy's so rude. He's so, such, so disrespectful. I played for four and a half hours. I needed to eat some food because for my nutrition and my preparation. So it's like I walk in there and I have had no time to digest i haven't and then these people are just going at me and then i retaliate and for me oh i'm not that that that's fine you should be able to retaliate but then i look back at all the people that are watching this kids and they see i could be disrespectful to someone that i don't even want to be that but in that moment i just haven't had any time to just reflect on what's just happened and i feel like yeah i do i do regret sometimes on how i've acted on the tennis court or in a press conference because it's it's not that version of nick curios that i want people to like millions people to watch and say oh that's how he is what a prick you know but that's not me and australians in general we have a bit of that like where if you come at us we'll retaliate in a way of you know we'll make you feel it too and i guess that my upbringing where you know the bullying and stuff i've always had that chip on my shoulder where i'm in a position to give it i'll give it a little bit you know so i don't feel proud of making other people feel bad and i think it's just more of a retaliation of i know how much it hurts so now i'm going to give it back to you a little bit and that's not that's not a good thing to do especially after you know in a press conference where millions of people are going to see it yeah so yeah i definitely have some regrets with that yeah yeah especially when it's not you it's not me yeah i think that's i think that's the hardest part right like when something's you there's a certain understanding that you have with it but when you feel like that's not me like i i can empathize with that like if in any conversation or anything that i've done more offline where i've not acted like myself it's almost the hardest thing in the world because i'm like god now i've shown someone a side of me that's not me exactly and then they run with it they're like oh look at look how he is yeah and i'm like that was like a 10 minute press conference you know it's not even at all of what i actually what kind of person I am at all.

1:23:44So yeah, that's been hard. And it's interesting, by the way, it is interesting to understand the context of you're playing for four and a half hours, you haven't eaten. It's good to know the human side of like, if you're watching a press conference, you're not thinking it through that deeply. No, you're not. You're just like, oh, this guy just come off the court, like whatever, it's what we do. And it's interesting because I'm like, yeah, if I was hungry for four and a half hours and I've just played and I get asked a question that annoys me, I can imagine retaliating too and being defensive like exactly if the player had you know if you came back into the tennis course next day and had a whole night to reflect on the match moments where you were great moments where you weren't you could just speak calmer about situations like when couples have a fight sometimes having figuring out then and there is not the best thing you know you need some time away you need to reflect you need to have a conversation and come back and when you're both calmer like rather than when the emotions are high you just turns into an absolute explosion so yeah I mean that's the same thing yeah and you're not walk I'm not walking into a room where they're empathetic that I lost they're like oh why'd you lose for why'd you act like this it's like okay you attacking me now I'm gonna go back at you and then yeah so yeah and it's the trap it is exactly and that's the articles and the headlines they want it's the game they want to so yeah who is that who is the basketball player who had a really good response was it Yannis oh yeah and he's like do you you know if you don't get a promotion do you see that as a bad year Yeah, exactly.

1:25:05Everything's building. Yeah. You know, losing is not always seen as a failure. Why is that? So yeah, I agree. No, it was what is the joy? Tell me, tell me how it feels to break a racket. How does that feel? It does feel good. It does feel good, doesn't it? It does feel good. Sometimes it feels good. When does it when does it feel good? And when does it not feel good? I guess it doesn't feel good when I know it's detrimental to what's going on. If look, when I know when I get to that level of anger, I know that it's not helping me. but sometimes you know if I've lost the match and you know the match is over and I go to my bag and I see it there and I know that I've got all this anger built up and I let loose it does feel good the timing of doing those things can help your performance or you know because sometimes I've seen in my experience but other athletes like Djokovic and Serena Williams all these legends of broken rackets but the response after that's the key component and sometimes you need to let off the steam because you're expecting more from yourself and I feel like the response if you're going to come back with energy and you know say all right i did that now it's time to reset that it can actually help you in a way walk us through the balance of when anger is helpful versus when it becomes destructive as the way you found it because i've been angry where i've broken rackets and then i become you know smart ass with the umpire and then i'm actually not concentrating on what i need to do to win the match it's like i'm more pissed off at myself i'm more pissed off at the umpire where i've had times where if i break a racket and you know i walk back to my bag and I'm like, all right, here we go.

1:26:32You've, you've done that now. You know, it's time to reset. You know, we, we're not playing well, but now how are we going to change that? So I feel like the discipline of doing, and these great players have shown that, and they start playing better and they end up winning the match. So it's hard because you don't want to make it seem like a violent act because then kids are going to be like, oh, it's okay to throw rackets. It's okay to, but that's why I think the response after that's more important. It's like, oh, he did that, but then he started playing unbelievable. So something must've clicked in his head after he did that so i guess it can be positive but you don't i'm not going to sit here and say yeah smash all the rackets in the world no no no not at all yeah yeah no no that that's a that's a thoughtful response like i i can appreciate that like i can definitely see how getting that kind of competitive spirit out in a physical act can be like helpful yeah i can recognize that yeah and unless it hurts someone else which it isn't exactly and so it's it's interesting how like you're saying like the greats do it often yeah but the response is like how how did how did that help you process things yeah versus how did it lead you down it's a complete reset almost so yeah and i've seen it all the time like i've seen jokovic alcaraz serena do these things and it's like okay they realize they're not playing up to their standard and they go back and you see them breathing and then it's like they've done that it's like it's like they've reached the limit of playing really bad and now it's time to switch that yeah so it's good i mean it can it can be used as a reset yeah how much has meditation and breathing or mindfulness been a part of your world or is that something you're discovering or you've been practicing for a while oh i'm just like i'm a complete work in progress like people think that i've got my stuff figured out and you know i have a nice routine like people don't realize that having a routine is harder than doing something different and having stimulation every day that's easy like having waking up and doing something different is so easy every day but can you get up week in week out monthly yearly doing the same routine having the discipline like that's having a routine for me is probably the hardest thing ever and that's been my weakness in my career is consistency okay played great that week but can he show up and I haven't proven I guess that's what I haven't proven is I've been consistent enough to make it this far but am I consistent enough to be a champion probably not and I know that.

1:28:52So I think I'm just a work in progress, whether it's meditation, whether it's breathing. Like I started Pilates like two months ago. I never thought that I'd ever start Pilates. Like when my girlfriend went to Pilates, I'm like, I started laughing. I started doing it. I'm like, oh my God, this is hard. I'm still trying to figure out, like breathing for me is a big one when I'm on court. I really am mindful of my breathing, but I don't even think I'm at that point of discipline or consistency yet to meditate. I can't even, I hate being alone with my thoughts still. i still have extremely dark thoughts so i think i just try with easy you know consistent habits you know go for a walk to get a coffee in the morning with my girlfriend or you know just these lighter things um having a routine for me is incredibly hard still and people with routine think oh they're boring no they're just they're really disciplined and consistent with their work and that's that's really healthy routines and disciplines uh i mean yeah they're so hard to so hard to build easy to break yep so easy to fall off so hard to get back on yeah and so powerful when you get them right yeah and yeah anyone who can keep a discipline together every day is it's it's it's a serious achievement it is what what's the most difficult emotional thought that you deal with regularly still or an emotional thought you struggle to deal with still um that I'm not enough I think that was the biggest one I think I struggled with was I'm letting people down and I'm not enough and that's from you know millions and millions of opinions that have just built up over time and I can see you know when I lose a tennis match or when I don't achieve things I can see sometimes my even my family get disappointed and that's just it just ate me up for so long like going on social media saying because I was supposed to be the next after the big three it was like okay Kyrgios is going to take over the mantle he's going to be the one for 15 years you know being professional winning Grand Slams and I think I look back on my career and I didn't even get close not even a quarter of what people thought that I should have achieved with the talent that I have and I still deal with it it's like I'm never going to achieve what all these people thought I was going to achieve but I've had tough conversations with myself in the mirror saying like am I okay with not maybe winning a Grand Slam am I okay with not achieving you know I am.

1:31:12I'm okay with that. But it's still hard because it's like, I know that my family would love that. Like they maybe would they would prefer me being that type of champion or this person. And I really did struggle with that early on. Like, it's hard. Everyone wants you to be something that you're not. But the one thing that they kind of understand more is that I'm happier being this way. I'm happier just being myself and having some fun and just doing it my way. And that's, I'm so thankful that the most important people are they can just understand I'm not saying that's what they want but at least they can understand it now but yeah that was the hardest thing I think for me That makes sense Nick you've been incredible man This has been What I really appreciate about you is the genuine authentic raw real answers like I can tell when I'm sitting with you I'm listening to someone who's not it's interesting in a press conference it seems like you don't filter the combativeness and today I'm like you're not filtering to make yourself look a different way or appear a different way you're just being who you are and I really appreciate that because I think we all need to to make sense of it and I think a lot of us who are struggling with that feeling of not being enough or not living up to the expectations of our family or not having achieved the goals that everyone else thought we'd set out to.

1:32:40I think that's more of us in life than the people who go on to achieve everything. And the interesting thing is even the people that go on to achieve everything that everyone wanted them to, they're not happy either because they often find that they went and won at things that they didn't care about. They lost themselves. Then they lost themselves. And so I know that this is going to resonate with a lot of people, but as you know we end every On Purpose episode with a final five these questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum and so Nick Kyrgios these are your final five the first question is what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

1:33:17It's never as good as it seems and it's never as bad as it seems Who said that? Where did you learn that? So Simon he was one of my tennis coaches and I feel like that was very tennis specific because when I was on court, I had the talent to like, amaze millions of people. But I always went on court and tried to do that where he was like, you don't have to do that. These people paid to come watch you play just because of how you just are. So I always was like, okay, maybe I don't have to try as hard. And then when I was playing bad, I used to think I was playing horrific. But then he was like, your bad for most people is still amazing.

1:33:53So it's not that bad. And then I started carrying that to everyday life, like when I was having some really bad moments. and everyone thinks when they're going through a struggle, they're like, fuck, this is the worst part of my life. And I'm like, this is not the worst part of your life. It's just going through a bad phase. So that's why I'm never too high anymore with some amazing achievements. Like when I, finals of Wimbledon to most people is an amazing achievement and it is, but I wasn't like, it's like I carry my trophy everywhere with me and I'm like, you know, I made fun. Like, I just, you know, it's an amazing achievement and it's in the past now.

1:34:23So I think just being able to ride the highs and the lows the same. I think when you're able to do that, you can just navigate through life a little easier. And that's actually the quote above the Wimbledon court is when you can look at a victory and a loss the same way, that's when you've conquered life a little bit. So I think that's like the final thing you see above the court as it's opening up. I'm not sure that's the exact quote, but it's along those lines. So that quote there is very similar to that. It's never as bad as it seems, never as good as it seems. Nice. I love that. second question what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received it's not that simple i don't like i think about when i've had my success you know i've eaten healthy i've been active and i've just worked hard those it's it really is simple for everyone i think if you just break it down into nice simple categories you're going to get the best out of yourself and you're going to have success whatever whatever that is success is different for everyone but it's not that simple The amount of times I heard that in school, from tennis coaches, from everything, if they told me it's simple, like do these things and you'll probably get the best out yourself.

1:35:29So yeah, it's not that simple. I hated hearing it because it really was. To get in my position, it is quite simple. It's hard, but the steps to getting it, it's actually very simple. Yeah, it's not easy, but it's simple. Yeah, I agree. I would agree. Question number three. What's something that you've been trying to unlearn? Oh, that's a hard one because I've had to unlearn nearly everything that I thought, like, because, you know, I meet so many people. I'm not really following your rules of keeping it short, am I? That's cool, man. It's good. They're good answers. But a lot, you know, I've met so many people and I thought that I'd meet a lot of, I thought I'd meet a lot of cool people and good, genuine people on the way, but I've been really disappointed.

1:36:12I feel like, I feel being in our position, it's hard. Every time you meet someone, you don't know if anyone genuinely wants to be your friend or hang out with you or you know go to dinner with you because we're good people or just do you want to just be around us because of and that's just a common struggle i think that i deal with every day i really do struggle with that because i'm a genuine person i only want to hang out with you if i think you're cool and you're you got a good heart so i think i i thought that a lot of people i'm trying to unlearn that everyone has good intentions i felt like everyone should have that and everyone doesn't that's yeah and that's a hard one that's a really hard one and I can resonate with that too I think sometimes it's really interesting right like when you're I feel like sometimes if I get along with someone or I feel like a natural sense of chemistry with someone I can come on quite strong but I'm just being who I am and I'm okay with that like I'll be like someone hey we should hang out or whatever exactly like and and I like living that way because to me, that's how I've made some of my best friends.

1:37:13If I wasn't like that. Yeah. You're always sheltered. How are you going to experience like the good times? Totally. And I've opened myself up to that. And sometimes people are like, oh, maybe he has something that he wants. I'm like, no, not really. That's just who I am. That's how I was raised. We're just vibing. We just feel good. Yeah, exactly. And so I can relate to that. All right. Question number four, a rule everyone should break and a rule everyone should follow. I prefer the follow one, I think. Go on. I don't know. I'm going to give that to you. I'm going to give that to you. I can't answer it.

1:37:45The rule everyone should break? Yeah. I actually, I can't answer it. I've never asked it before. I just got inspired to ask it to you. The rule everyone should break. I'm just trying to think of rules that the world sets that we think everyone should break. And so let me think of a rule. The way I would think about it is what are rules that we were all told, like even unwritten rules, that we all heard since we were young that now I look at it and I go, we should break that rule. And you expected me to answer the question. And you - No, no, no. I want to give a genuine answer. I know, but you're so, the way you have answers to pretty much everything.

1:38:25But I like to be thoughtful because literally I came up with that question right now just for you. It was a moment thing. It wasn't a - I would say that like an unwritten rule or like a rule that I think everyone was told to follow was like, I feel like when you were growing up, you were told to fit in. Yes. And then when you get older, you're told to stand out. Yeah. Right. It's like, if you want to be successful when you're a kid, fit in. Yeah. Wear the uniform, stand in line, do well in school. It's like everyone's told to fit in. Yeah. And then as you get older, if you want to win at whatever career path, you got to be different.

1:38:59You got to be authentic. It's like, wait a minute. And so instead of fitting in or trying to stand out The rule to break is to say Well I'm not going to fit in or I'm not going to stand out I am just going to learn to discover myself And I think it's not even about being you I think that's the cheesy answer of like Just be yourself I don't think it's about being yourself I think it's about discovering yourself And getting to know yourself And so the rule we need to break is Stop trying to fit in or stand out Just get to know yourself Just figure it out Yeah just figure it out is what comes to mind anyway.

1:39:32I like it. Yeah, we'll go with that. You just keep flipping them back on. I like it. It's smart. It's a good tactic. It is. It's good PR training. This is a masterclass in PR training from Dick. Fifth and final question. If you could create one law, we ask this to every guest of all time. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? Before you criticize someone, you have to do what they do for one day. so like if someone criticizes my tennis game they need to get on the court and try and play or like if I was criticizing someone that I had to go I think that should be a law before you if you're willing to criticize then you're going to be that person for one day and deal with everything that that person deals with that is a brilliant answer I love that we never had that on the show and I love that that would be amazing if you actually became that person for a day you had to swap lives anyone you judged or criticized you had to swap lives with them for one day.

1:40:29That would be phenomenal. And it's not like a holiday. It's like a business day. It's not like a party, like a Saturday night. No, it's like the working day. Because then I would think twice. I've criticized basketball players. Anyone, I'd be like, oh, and then it's like, all right, do you want to do the day thing? Oh, actually, no, I'm good. Because I think a lot of people in my position would, like they would freak out I think if I had to go out and play a match in front of the stadiums then do the press conference and then deal with the criticism and they had to feel the realness of it all they wouldn't want to criticize again yeah I like that law man that's a good law it is a good law it's a good law Nick Kyrus Nick this has been such a joy and pleasure man appreciate it you totally over delivered and for what it's worth from the moment we started messaging to meeting you today to having this conversation.

1:41:25You're a genuinely nice guy, man. I appreciate that. Thank you. And I've enjoyed every minute we've spent together. Thank you. I look forward to many more. Thank you. Genuinely. It'll be fun. Yeah, it's been fun. Thank you. Thank you, man. Of course. If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose. Our children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve and parents and coaches have become more directive and trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how to behave. I couldn't be more excited to share something truly special with all you tea lovers out there.

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