NOAH KAHAN: Imposter Syndrome, Anxiety & The Pressure of Success (What He’s Never Shared Before)

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31:47Jay Shetty:did you believe that if you heal too much it would reduce your creativity 100 % you used to believe that I used to believe that for sure like I was like I mean it came into the conversation when I started taking medication for my anxiety when I was in high school an OCD diagnosis more recently, like these problems were really hard for me and were disrupting my ability to wake up in the morning and to just be a human being. But I was holding off on getting the help that I really needed for a long time because I was so afraid of it dulling my creativity. And then I would look at my creativity and be like, well, this is not pretty very good either.

32:21Like I'm not making anything good right now. I can barely put my pen to the paper. I can barely even process a single thought. And I was like, I don't want to get help because I'm worried that I'll be happy and I won't care about making something and I won't feel pain and it won't be painful enough for my audience. And it won't be, uh, the feelings won't be real enough for my audience. Um, and it just took like kind of just saying, well, I don't want to live like this anymore. And if it means that I write a happy song and like, I need to get up in the morning. And, and I found that I was still sad in a way that felt more manageable.

32:52And I still had feelings and deep thoughts about things, but I wasn't getting sidebarred by rabbit holes of obsession and rabbit holes of anxiety anymore. And it really was a turning point for me making this record. It was just like taking the step off of the cliff, so to speak, into the unknown. And again, it's a control thing. Like I can't control this and it sucked. But when I let go is when I like found it again. I remember I was in Joshua Tree and I like, I've never been to Joshua Tree. I'm not even like particularly a huge like desert guy. It kind of scares me. But I was like, I'm struggling a lot in my life.

33:24I need to go to Joshua Tree and like find myself and make music. And I had just gotten diagnosed with OCD. It's something I had suspected for a long time. And there's so many varying kind of branches of this problem. And so I never really knew where I fit into the conversation. So I didn't want to like get the diagnosis and be like, I have OCD now. I was kind of scared, but I just gotten diagnosed with OCD and I was in Joshua Tree and I was feeling so miserable when this beautiful Airbnb, like I'm in the desert. I'm like, this isn't making me feel connected oh shit and i was like so lost in that and so uh being somewhere beautiful and realizing that the problem was like beyond where i was or where i put myself or how nice the studio or the collaborators were like realizing that i just wasn't going to be able to do it on my own was like that joshua trade trip was like horrible but also incredibly enlightening because i was like all right that was my last try just like hoping life fixes this for me yeah yeah absolutely i

34:17Jay Shetty:I mean, like, I imagine it's also one of the things you address in the documentary is that it's challenging because you don't want to like air your family's dirty laundry. Like, you know, it's like this, a lot of what you write about is your family and is your upbringing. And talk to me about how hard it is when it's like what you're writing from is your family and you love, obviously it's obvious in your doc that you will love each other and you have a supportive relationship. But at the same time, it's hard to do that. It's complicated, man. I think actually like one of my biggest regrets is not knowing how to communicate how I was feeling and choosing to do it through the songs that were then marketed to millions of people and heard by millions of people without having that conversation first of saying, hey, mom and dad, this is what I'm feeling about, you know, your guys' divorce or whatever's going on in our lives.

35:01my dad's you know brain injury and these things that like I never really knew how to talk to them about I'm much better at saying it in songs it's I don't want to say cowardly but it's just I'm afraid of that conflict sometimes and so I'm like I go back to this like okay well I'm gonna write it down like angsty teen like I'm gonna go like write it down but like when you're writing things down in a journal versus when you're sending them to every streaming platform and every marketing thing in the world the effect that I feel like it could have on people is that they feel blindsided and my mom has always told me like she was happy that I was getting those feelings out she's been so supportive my dad as well but I still felt like this regret of being like I wish I had talked to you guys about this first because it would have been so much healthier it would have been more fair to you it would have been probably more helpful for me and it's it's hard to like like you said air the dirty laundry in a way that's fair to everybody and I don't think I did that in my last album so I've been really trying to be intentional about making sure I communicate what I'm saying and why I'm saying it to my parents, my family, and this next album, making sure they have a fair shake to say, hey, maybe that makes me feel uncomfortable.

36:08Please don't do that. And the documentary is another huge extension of that, allowing these people into my home, into my parents' homes, into their marriage, into my dad's injury, into my issues with my body, and things that will be seen in the documentary. It's been really important to be communicative with each other about what people are comfortable with why we're doing it why it's important to have hard moments in there and how it can be helpful for people uh like i had a conversation with my sister and i'm like always checking in to make sure they're okay with this and like it's been this big anxiety thing for me of like i'm so worried that you guys feel like i'm using you or like trying to exploit our pain or our experiences for my own gain um my sister said it best she's just like is it painful to see um dad from an outside angle like this yes but like she's like i really think someone who's going through this in their own way with their parents or their friend or family or partner is going to be helped by it and so there's like a greater good to those like just uncomfortable vulnerable feelings and that made me feel better like hearing them be supportive of it and not be like mad at me or scared or um it's helped me kind of grapple with my own anxiety about about all of it and about showing the world my family and my life yeah thanks for sharing that conversation with

37:24Jay Shetty:your sister i didn't know that when was the first time you kind of talked to your parents about this and and what was that interaction like it was hard because like when we started the documentary i don't think i was fully aware of like where it was going to go and i think obviously that's kind of how all good documentaries are like it starts out with something that feels small or controlled then it becomes something i don't know more universal and deeper and so you know i'm just like yeah they're coming to film some stuff. And then suddenly, you know, my dad and I are like having this really intimate moment on the porch or the conversation in the yard.

37:54And I think the best way that I've always done, uh, been able to be vulnerable is like conversations like this, where you're not like, here are the things that you have to say. Like it just kind of happens naturally. But I think we were kind of just like, yeah, they're just going to come film some stuff and I'll probably play the acoustic guitar and we'll leave. And then it kind of like developed into this more intimate, like vulnerable piece. Uh, so I think they learned with me as things were happening uh what it was going to be like and man like the first time watching the documentary because you see it all get made around you're kind of able to like pretend it's not happening and i think we all were kind of like oh let's think about that later but like when it finally was time to watch it was like one of the most stressful days of my entire life man yeah yeah it was kind of have you watched it with the whole family yet yeah so it was uh it was i got it first and i one of the most poorly timed edibles of my entire life i was literally i was like coming up on this like weed edible and the documentary gets sent to my inbox and like they're gonna i'm gonna send it to my family but i really want to watch this first um and so watching this just two hour long hour and a half long movie about myself was like oh my god yeah and i'd never seen all the pieces together and how like emotional it was and my family and i talked to each other like honestly and emotionally all the time but like we kind of were like i don't know let's have a drink and i'll see you tomorrow like you don't have to think about it again so like knowing that this was like there for everyone to watch and then i was not to send it to my mom and brother and sister who were really right down the road um was really scary and so yeah it is scary i sent it to them and like i think that their response like i guess i was hoping that they'd be like this is amazing great send it off to hollywood uh i think for them it was an emotional experience as well and it was like challenging in a lot of ways to watch i think beautiful at the same time but challenging them to see, not just like seeing yourself on camera, which is weird and like not human, but just seeing how the themes came together and like kind of reminded us of this painful thing that we've had to go through as a family.

39:51And so it was like a lot of conversations at first about how we felt about it, if we wanted to do it or not. I was ready and willing to be like this, let's not do it then. If you guys are feeling any type of way about it, let's not do it. It's fine. You know, when we all watched it together as a family, we found ourselves laughing, crying, hugging and like being so excited um because it brought us all a lot closer and it helped us kind of like actually visualize what it's like for my dad what it's like for my mom what it's like for all of us in our own way um and like i remember this feeling of just like this golden week afterwards where like we all just felt super connected to each other and we felt this gratitude and it really has brought my dad and i a lot closer in a lot of ways there are things that I said in that documentary that I knew someday he was going to hear, but I don't think I ever could have said myself because I wasn't brave enough or something or I was too scared.

40:42And so like having this vehicle to like tell my dad what I was feeling and tell him how sorry I was for like my impatience with him and how sad I felt about what he had gone through. And it created this like connection that I think we never really got to have. And, um, it was really, really special and powerful. And like I said, at the beginning, like I wish every single family could have a chance to watch the way they interact with each other and to have to get to see what it looks like to love each other and to be a son, a daughter, a father, a mother on screen because it really helped us.

41:15Jay Shetty:It's fascinating when that process becomes therapy and healing almost. Did it make your parents readdress any of the things you brought up? Like, did it start new conversations that hadn't happened before where they said, or when you said this, or when you felt this, like this is what was going through our life yeah it did i did and you know i'm like i said i'm still learning how to talk about it but i i do feel like it helped us address why our reservations were there and a lot of times reservations are are like fears we're not even about like what's actually being shown it's about us grappling with it being out for sure you know like i remember thinking about this thing with my dad or i'm like oh i don't want anybody to like see my dad as vulnerable or like going through this hard thing.

41:58And I think the truth was that I was grappling with my own like shame or whatever about it and my own like embarrassment for having my own vulnerabilities or. And so it wasn't even about like what's on screen. It was about my own internal dialogue about it. And so I think that was really important. It opened up a lot of conversations about like my dad loves this movie. He's seen it. This isn't about him even in this moment. This is about my own shit. And so I need to work through this and stop projecting my own fears onto these other people in my life, which was really important and a hard thing to accept.

42:32But I think a lot of us had that realization and that was really healthy, I think, to kind of express that to each other. and you know painful things like we don't always want to talk about them all the time and with people living all over the country and people being in different walks of life and my family in my life like it was nice to have to kind of force ourselves to confront some of these

42:53Jay Shetty:feelings um and it was really healthy yeah it's uh i'm only sharing this because it's reminiscent of a conversation i had a couple of months ago with uh chris hemsworth who made a documentary about his father's Alzheimer's. Oh, wow. And so it's about his dad's journey and he's forgetting details. And he felt the same way as you did, where it was like, am I putting my dad's story out there like this? And then what he said was when he watched it, it was really emotional for him and his dad to watch it. But it was actually most amazing to watch his sons watch it. Because they watched it and they were like, we want to spend more time with grandpa.

43:28That's amazing. And he was like, that was, you know,

43:30Jay Shetty:and it's that kind of thing where I'm listening to you going like, this is something that your family has come closer together over it. Yeah. Which is why you're saying like, you wish every person could almost make a mini doc about their life and, and not even share it publicly. Like it sounds like a healing experience. Honestly, it'd be a cool, like therapy thing to do. It's not a, it'd be very expensive, but no, totally. And like so much of what we feel other people are going through is really just a projection of how we are experiencing our own pain. I think like my dad is the man. Uh, uh he is happy doing his thing he's loves his life um their struggles like in any person's life and he has um you know he has had to struggle through this injury but a lot of it was just me worrying about him and like making it seem like it was his for some reason his responsibility to feel that same worry that i had and it's not people experience their pain different differently and i learned a really good lesson through making this documentary that like my view of the world and view of people's trauma isn't always accurate and it's not fair to like suggest that they're going through what i think they're going through all the time i mean that's huge yeah if there's any lesson we could all learn totally that's that's huge like to be able to actually go oh wait the way i process stuff isn't the way people process stuff and just because i'm judging this thing doesn't i mean that's that's huge and what a great lesson to gain from it's helped me like uh they're using the word selfish my therapist is like i say self-focused you know but like a lot of times we think we're helping people or we think we're speaking some truth into the air and it's like that's not at all what's going on with this person um and so getting to see that up close and getting to you know my thing is i where my family and i're like oh my god we have to send this to dad like he has to watch this like we're all so nervous that how he's gonna feel uh i said to my dad he's like i love it like very simply like it's great buddy love it i'm like wow that was like not what i expected you to say like it takes this huge weight off my shoulders and like makes me happy that he's like no i know i know what's going on like you know it wasn't like this like kids gloves hey dad and just say you look he was like oh hell yeah i look cool dude so that was nice and and you haven't even had the premiere yet so i can't imagine how proud he's i mean i know that moment on the porch i mean seeing him choke up and i kind of be like all right we're just gonna you know yeah i mean that's he's so proud like man that's one of the most like i mean i remember tell me about that moment yeah i mean i remember it's hard for my i think for me and my dad sometimes to like address these things and so it's hard to get emotional about it and not so much of me like wants to have that conversation and like to hear him say that he gets it and i just felt like that was the closest we got and the fact that it was able to happen for the documentary is amazing but just for me that moment was really important just like seeing him kind of be like i know it's complicated and it's hard um and just to feel to see his pride in me and to see his love for me in that moment even after i'm sitting there like critiquing his ability to play the song which i can regret though i just feel like such a dick but i was like it's like you know your dad you become a little kid again you're just like come on dad just play the right thing but just seeing him like get emotional um but just i could see in his eyes like this this conversation that we haven't really had but i could see like it happened like between us in that moment like telepathically almost and that was like just really really uh really special for me yeah yeah that was something that i really really uh will never forget and i'm really grateful to people that helped me just documentary for like pushing in a way like us to these moments into these interactions because it's so easy just to drift away and drift through life and just like go home for Thanksgiving or go home and go out to dinner.

47:17And Asis and Zari had a great bit about like going to see her parents and like how it's the same thing every time and you leave and you're like, you're happy to leave, but you feel guilty. And I felt that a lot. I'm just like, I feel like I came here and just didn't, we didn't solve or work through anything. We just like work together and that can be beautiful, but sometimes you want more. And like that, those moments with my family like allowed us to confront a lot of things and allowed us to have like moments that we'll remember forever.

47:41Jay Shetty:it's beautiful man thank you i can tell it is emotional yeah it makes me emotional man yeah i i just can love my family so much dude and like getting to be close to them in this way and this journey has been incredibly complicated for everybody like you know having my family be really exposed to the world even just without this documentary just through my album and through promotion of it and through people coming into connection with where we're from um and who we are has been really challenging and this just felt like a platform for us to kind of like grapple with that together and even after and like the editing and the conversation about what we wanted to be in the movie it just allowed us to like heal a little bit i think and like just allowed me to to find like peace with a lot of it and uh yeah it's it's fucking crazy man you've talked so much about today like kind of we've been weaving this idea of mental health and just how important it is to you the documentary you speak about it quite openly has success made mental health harder in some ways or has it made it better in some ways it's so hard to say like my mental health challenges weren't going anywhere whether i became a musician like a touring like professional musician or whatever i am they weren't going anywhere i would have been interested to see how they manifested.

49:01I think it's introduced this lifestyle and this like level of like, like I said, this like self-focused kind of business lifestyle has created a lot of mental health challenges for me, but also has kind of allowed me to confront them in a way that maybe like if I went to college and went and got a job in an office or somewhere, I could probably more easily not ever deal with it.

49:21Jay Shetty:Interesting. Yeah. So in a lot of ways, I think it's helped me, but it's also introduced a lot of different challenges into my life that you see in the documentary but also just wouldn't be there without music and touring and creative struggle and just all the things that go along with being in this like weird industry yeah what's your most daily or regular experience from a mental health point of view that you that you that you go through i think a lot of is just like self-image and that like extends to like physical image but also like mental image like i worry that i've just wasted so much time like hating who i am uh and just like being aware of this thing that's happening to me that like is like feels like it's grinding me down sometimes and like and knowing that i have this thing and that knowing that it could be better but it's not right now like that's probably my most like i wake up and i'm like why do i feel like shit like i'm pissed it's a beautiful morning the birds are chirping it's beautiful outside i've you know career success aside i have like i have this like lovely little life and i wish i could wake up and not be like miserable for no reason it feels like sometimes and being aware of like those moments that I just can't feel connected uh it's really lonely and I think that's probably my like daily that's like that's my daily driver that feeling um I think I kind of that feeling escalates and escalates and I it comes like these bigger more intense like episodes for me of mental health um but that's what is kind of the backdrop to my day is like darn I feel like shit this sucks and I have to just like wade through it every day and it gets easier and there's days that are better and worse but like generally i just kind of am feeling like i wish i didn't feel depressed you know yeah i thought it was really brave for you to address the body dysmorphia image approach i wasn't expecting that and i think you kind of really went there it felt so courageous in one sense to do that and of course honest yeah i i feel like i don't know and i say it in the documentary just like i don't know where i fit into like the world of this thing I'm going through.

51:26I'm never really confronted in a way that's like, and this is how I feel about my body. It's like, it's just this thing that lives in the back of my brain that is like more prominent than other times. And it really came out in the documentary and like watching that back is like, even, I mean, man, even my mom was just like, I had no idea. Like, I think she knew I had something like that, but she didn't know like how much it was affecting me. And even just seeing myself, I'm like, I don't feel like that right now, but like, I do feel like that a lot. It's like, it's hard when the thing that you really compartmentalize and you lock away, like is now there.

51:55And so it's scary for me even to talk to you about it because I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to, I know how much of an issue this is for people and how it can ruin lives and, and how hard it is for people's mental health. that I'm always so afraid that I'm like, I don't want to represent an issue because I'm afraid of like saying the wrong thing or giving advice or like, I don't know, of like making it feel like I know what I'm talking about because I have no idea. It's just this thing that is there within me. And yeah, really, really difficult concept because it's so tied up in who you are and just feelings you've had since you were a kid that like it's hard to describe like the body dysmorphia problem succinctly.

52:37And I, as you can hear right now, I'm struggling. I struggle to do it, but it's complicated, man. And it was easy. I think it's easy to say, like, I want to talk about that. But when it comes time to talk about it, like, I don't feel eloquent at all. I don't feel articulate. I feel like it's just this, like, dreamlike stance that I have to fall into. It's weird.

52:54Jay Shetty:Yeah, I think it's a strange challenge that we put on ourselves and other people to properly articulate these extremely nuanced daily regular feelings that are, that don't always make sense. Like in one sense, we're trying to finally package up some perfect words around something that changes how we feel about it daily. Yeah. And it's almost an impossible task. Totally. Because you're absolutely right that you can feel something one day, people feel it differently. I just felt like you don't see a lot of men especially being able to say that publicly. And so I think it's going to help a lot of men and just even come into terms with it.

53:31Jay Shetty:Yeah, man. I remember like I have this song called the shape of my shadow, which was weirdly one of those like our moments where I like felt really aware and understanding of my struggle with it. And like it goes away. But in that moment, I wrote this song and played it live on World Mental Health Day in Florida a few years ago and was like hearing it being heard for the first time and then walking off stage and like having people in my in my crew and people in my life come up to me like, dude, like. men especially be like i i go through that too wow and like that was fucking cool that you did that bro like i feel that one and like people that i wouldn't expect i think you think like body dysmorphia and like you're looking like you're like physically looking at somebody and like how do you look like is this person look overweight like they'll probably connect with her is this person look really skinny they'll probably it's not how it is man like it's almost not even about your body at all yeah it's for me it's not even i don't think it's even about like what i actually appear to be is how we think of ourselves so these people coming up and saying that to me was like this is like important like this this is something really really difficult to articulate and to talk about and like the fact that i just had three people that probably wouldn't have said anything to me if i never played that song come up and say like hey dude like thank you or like i get that and that's huge it was really special and eye-opening and it like makes you feel like more sensitive to people and like you just never fucking know what someone's going through man like you really don't you don't and uh it's easy to like look at somebody and be like your life must be so sick and then be like man you have no clue yeah yeah and you assume that right if someone's like put together or looks a certain way or maybe they're making a decent living or whatever it may be it's like we just go well okay well you don't have any real problems so you know yeah oh it's such a good point man i always whenever i come to la and do like anything like this i'm always like oh yeah like i get driven here in the black suv and i'm gonna come here and complain about my shit like people in the world right now going through so much and it does feel like there's a push and pull of like how do i talk about what i'm going through without like being insensitive to like people who are struggling in much more significant are just different but significant ways um while also not discrediting what i've gone through at the same time it's been a real challenge for me uh to talk about i hope that in the documentary people can see that through line through everybody's life that regardless of sex creed class gender identity um race that people can like find things that connect us um like these feelings that are painful i i like to think everybody's experiencing something similar in some way and maybe that's not true but that's like my hope is that there's like world peace but like we all can have a conversation no matter where we're from about our mental health and how it's affecting us and like we can hear similarities in some things and that's what i hope is true because with everything you know that that's going on in the world right now um like how you know divided the world is and how awful people are being treated right now that we can find ways to be brought together through vulnerability and through being honest with each other about how we feel so is is that how you think about making an impact on the world with everything you see is that yeah where you focus I think just trying to be like completely honest about how I feel like whenever I can because then it doesn't feel like you have to perform and I was talking to somebody last night at this like weird party thing and I was just like dude if you start making music like trying to sound like somebody then when the time comes to like you want to be yourself it's going to feel like you're lying.

57:04yeah so like if you can just be as honest as you can and like accept whatever that does for you socially career-wise emotionally like live and die by that because then you never have to change and you never have to adjust your presentation all you have to do is reach within which you've been doing forever anyway so yeah yeah that's well said yeah yeah and that's i think that's the

57:24Jay Shetty:difference also between actors and musicians like you know an actor does have to pretend to be someone and yeah that does affect their personality and it does affect their self-image and it it it can deeply affect everything from the way they speak to the way they look or have you done acting i have not in a any yeah not in any major i always wonder how you bring i wonder if the best actors bring in like they bring in more of themselves in a way to this different character so that it like creates something relatable yes yeah so i think there's i forget what the techniques called from some studies that i've done in the space with some clients that i have uh who've who are actors and they talk about that where it's like if you you can't pretend to have an emotion you've got to find the emotion or the experience within yourself to to bring it out but at the same time i think a lot of people if you're especially if you're doing a biopic right yeah you you can find the emotion within yourself but ultimately you're still becoming someone else to some degree is there a part of you that feels that way and like how do you get comfortable approaching that it almost reminds me like of the music and the documentary i'm just like how do you go back into this space over and over again like it's painful dude it's got to be painful because we all have like smaller, I think some people have bigger parts of that, that kind of character than, than others do.

58:34But like, we all, I think we all have like cynical parts of us and like, and like angry parts of us, but like some people just don't have as much access or don't have as big of an angry bone inside of them. But like, it's gotta be hard to have to like live in that moment.

58:49Jay Shetty:I think that's actually where real compassion comes from. Like when you can look at your own heart and notice that it has all of these abilities and has aspects of all of these things that you may not live on a daily basis, but you start seeing and you go, oh, I see how that comes out for someone else because I've seen that in me. I know. Even if it's tiny, if that makes sense. Totally, man. So I always think like the goal isn't to be like a perfect person at all. Like the goal is to understand the parts of you that make you happy and like try to access those. But it's also important to dip into the stuff that like you don't like and to question it and to approach it and look at it in the documentary i say like i'm finally looking at this thing like it used to be i think i'm you know talking about body is more of your just mental the mental illness stuff like it used to be this thing that i was like ashamed of in such a big way that i wouldn't even want to look at it like i would just like sprint past the door where the thing was inside and now i'm like finally like just like brushing it with my hand you know i'm being like all right like this thing is in there i'm getting better at approaching i'm getting better at like understanding that it is there and not being so afraid of it.

59:56Yeah. That journey has been helpful for me.

1:00:00Jay Shetty:Yeah. It's almost like the monster under the bed. If you pretend that it's not there, you know it. You're scared. It just gets bigger. Yeah. It just gets bigger. And you've got to go and check. And it's like, oh, okay. Brushed apart. You know, it's so important. And I think for so long, of course, we want to be in the light. We want to do good work. But you can't avoid the darkness and those elements that exist. As you said, our shame and guilt. yeah you can like it does find other ways to manifest and i think it's much healthier to like in my opinion like sitting down with a therapist is like the most important thing you can do with these feelings it's like expressing them in a safe unbiased place where like you could say whatever you want and not feel like you're gonna be judged for it because if you don't i do feel like we have to find a way to cope and we have to find a way to keep not feeling it and like addiction you know for me eating binge eating not eating is how i deal with a lot of stuff and i realizing that it's because I don't talk about it enough.

1:00:53And so I keep wanting it to go away and go away and go away. But then I find myself engaging in these behaviors that really make me unhappy and make me feel even worse. It's just horrible cycle of just like the thing you think you're doing to help is actually making it harder. And then it just kind of repeats itself and repeats itself. And you do it for so long that the grooves in your brain, there's a little train going through your head that only knows one path. And like it gets deeper and deeper and deeper and it never has a way to go anywhere else because you just have lived this one routine for so long.

1:01:24And so, you know, going to therapy, which I've been doing my whole life, but I feel like I wasn't really doing in a real way until like five or six, seven years ago where I started to really like go into it.

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1:04:33Jay Shetty:What was the difference between going to therapy and then doing therapy? Yeah. So like I said, I like my mom and my dad were always so supportive of me, like, and my siblings going to get help and going to talk about our feelings. We've all kind of gone through a lot of similar mental health struggles. Thanks, mom and dad. No. And they've been so supportive and like, always sent us to therapists. but I think like for a while I was just immature and like didn't want to talk to somebody. And also it's hard when you're a kid and like to be like, oh, this 48 year old dude is like here to ask you about all this stuff.

1:05:07And like, obviously you're like, I don't want to talk about it. Um, and you can kind of live your life for a long time, like saying the right things, but not actually like really letting anyone hear anything and saying things that sound like you're being emotionally vulnerable or picking and choosing, uh, different things that you'll talk about and certain things that you won't talk about and it's all connected so when you start doing that you're actually not really touching the whole thing which is it's all connected to like one um great larger mental health thing didn't sound very eloquent but i guess what i'm trying to say is like yeah is i didn't really commit myself to getting better because i wanted to selfishly self-centeredly do it on my own um and only like express certain fears and emotions to people because I was still afraid of talking about them.

1:05:51And I think when I started seeing this new therapist and so much of it is about the person you see. Because I've had bad experiences with therapists and like once you open up to somebody and they like, they don't respect that, it becomes really hard to go talk to somebody else. Like it's like you open up to a friend and like - It's like a breakup. Yeah. And then someone like uses that against you or they laugh at you or they like make you feel crazy. It's not like, okay, I'll try it on the next person. It's like, no, I'm never touching that again. Yeah, you're carrying that. It's like a breakup.

1:06:17Like you hurt me and like, I'm not opening myself up again. 100 % so it was kind of being willing to open up again finding the right person and then like feeling safe and then slowly just like realizing how much more there was than the kind of headlines of what I thought my feelings and issues were and like being asked questions that maybe dig a little deeper and like being willing to cry and say I don't want to talk about this and what was really complicated for me and what's still complicated is like and I do say this in the documentary is being a mental health advocate you know like having this mental health charity which like we're all so proud of beautiful really beautiful present thank you and presenting myself as someone that like has an answer or has like a focus and like my is going to be really open and emotionally vulnerable all the time and not feeling like i was really practicing that in my personal life it makes it hard in therapy to like accept that i don't have all the answers and it kind of creates this feeling like you're not being honest about who you are um and that was really difficult what what's the what's the best question your therapist ever asked you i think it's like do you want this to be what's happening to you i know in some ways like is it so much easier for you to cause yourself pain and to hurt yourself and is that actually something that you're is bringing you comfort like is this like in pain that you're inflicting on yourself emotionally occasionally physically like is it actually something that you have become comfortable with it's like is it this longtime time friend of yours that you don't want to leave because you feel like you're betraying something and like betraying this childhood pain or whatever it is that was a great question and made me think about it because i think i've always been like i hate this thing like i want to get rid of this but like no i sometimes like no i don't yeah like and she's like i don't know if you i don't know if you do like do you because it feels like interesting you want the comfort of this thing you've had for a long time and it's become such a big part of your life that you don't know who you are without it and it's scarier to be someone that's happy but not not familiar with something than to be unhappy but feel like you're in the safety of your own unhappiness oh that was that sounded great but that was like the most important thing uh i think she's asked me and she's asked me she's just so wonderful i don't i hope my therapist isn't watching this but thank you so much.

1:08:39But that question really helped me understand the context of what I was really feeling.

1:08:44Jay Shetty:Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. I think a lot of people will get a lot from asking that question to themselves or hopefully going through that with their therapist. I think you said after in the 2024 Grammy party, you were like talking about parties earlier. You were saying you felt like the least cool guy there. And it was like, that was the feeling you were having at that time. And that goes back to that image and grappling with that emotion. And is there a bit more peace now? Because that was your first time being there, right? It was like your, your nominate, like, do you think that is natural when you're doing something new and first time and then it goes away?

1:09:14Jay Shetty:Like, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think like, I think I really like wanted the experience to be what I'd always dreamed of because I'd always dreamed of that experience. And so like I got in there and the vision of like what I thought I was going to feel and what I thought it was going to look like, like just wasn't what it was. And I just kind of felt like outside of all of it and it wasn't anyone's fault it was really just me not having the confidence to like engage with this new experience and wanted to be comfortable um and so i felt really isolated and then my mom is like talking to everybody and she everyone loves her and like i'm like damn my mom's so cool and i'm just sitting here my mom and brandy carlisle are talking and like my mom loves brandy and and like i just kind of felt like the kid in the cafeteria that like didn't have anyone to sit with and just knowing that like the end of the night the only like measure of success i was i was putting into the night was if i won this grammy or not yeah um because i had built this thing up to be so important to me uh and so it kind of made me feel like i had no purpose in the room i felt like my purpose was um was no longer needed and that was no one's fault and it was on me for putting all the stock into this award um but i didn't feel cool and then i lost along with you know many others so like i'm always curious to see how they would deal with it because i was so sad and i was like obviously happy for the person that won truly and like grateful that i was even nominated and like just like walk into a room full of people who like i was so worried we're gonna be like disappointed and like not mad at me but like almost like their experience was that they wanted me to win like i was projecting how i thought everyone wanted this night to go and so like walking into the room with like my family my friends my wife like all these people my team who had worked so hard and like just feeling the disappointment like just really made me feel like I was on an island and that I like had let everybody down in my life and I feel like I let my fans down and I was like I wanted this so bad like I'm sorry guys we wanted it for you too yeah I think they did man I know that's not the case but this time it's like I feel like I've gone through so much since then and like reevaluating what I care about and like realizing that what I care most about is the story that I can tell with my music and the music that I can make and that no one can take it away from me.

1:11:27No one can vote on it and no one else can have it and like nurturing this thing. And so coming back, you know, having a new album, feeling like I'm really excited about it, really proud of it, proud of the journey that I went on to get to making this album, which was really difficult. And like, that's where my confidence is coming from right now. Not from whether I have good songs or not, but just knowing that I went through something and I'm on the other side now. When I was at the 24 Grammys, I was like grappling with all this creative insecurity and this insecurity about where my career was going to go.

1:11:57And I thought that a Grammy was going to like, like that, like thing on the image you see on like, like a meme or whatever, like the guy puts like one piece of duct tape on the giant exploding water tank. Like that was what I was hoping the Grammy would be for me. That's good. That's really good. Um, and like, it was never going to be that anyways. And so like knowing that now makes me more like at peace with just like being able to be in this conversation being able to be um amongst the peers that i have that are incredible musicians and um yeah i think i feel i don't feel cooler but i feel more comfortable in like my own skin and my

1:12:30Jay Shetty:own presence yeah i really appreciate the way you process that for us because i think 99 of us are always dealing with situations where we felt like we lost or failed or but it's it seems like you've addressed a really powerful pattern that i think's come up a few times in that when you're watching the documentary with your father you're like wait what's his experience of it and even now when you talking about being at the grammys you're like what's everyone else's expectation experience of it and it seems like you've really addressed like a really powerful pattern of something that seems to come up for you which is always projecting what you think other people's experiences and that's really powerful that you can see that as being a sign of whenever you're doing something big or incredible bro it's projection is like so difficult because it's it forces you to question like everything you've thought about other people's perception of you um and also like as my career has like grown like there's i mean you saw it today i'm most lovely people around me in the world they're wonderful amazing yeah i love you too every single person that i get to work with like is awesome and that's very rare you know especially in the music industry where you get people that are like there for the wrong reasons or whatever but like when everywhere you go you have style and hair and pr and management and label and whatever agent and all these people around you like you kind of feel like they're like they need it to go well like that's a projection and so you start like being like are you guys having fun like are you guys doing this are you guys enjoying this like did i do good enough for you guys dad energy and kid energy at the same time totally dude i think like it all ties back to like that thing around the dinner table and like wanting to be heard and wanting to be um accepted and and wanting people to think that you have value and when you can't find that in here in your heart or in your in your your brain like you need to be provided by other people and i'm struggling with that right now like just with my album coming out and just like how I'm going to like take in responses to it, good and bad.

1:14:22I think like every good comment and every bad comment like have a similar, I have a similar reaction from me actually. Like they move me so much. You know, like if I said, someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck. I'm like, I suck. Like I want to find somewhere in the middle where like I can still have my own belief in myself. Equilibrium is a great way to put it. I would love to find more of that in my life.

1:14:44Jay Shetty:Yeah. And it's such a hard place to live because we are so used to being really pumped up with the highs. And I always feel like the more pumped up you get with the highs, the more pull down you get with the lows. And that's the experience we all have. And all I can say is honestly, I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this with your team listening, but I listened to what you did send us with the team, with my team, because everyone's a fan. And everyone loved it. And it was just like, this is like, you know, yeah, exactly. And it was genuinely that experience where we were listening to it.

1:15:13Jay Shetty:because as we were, I was thinking about the interview and I was thinking about like, I know no one's really thinking about this. I mean, for whatever it's worth. And I think that equilibrium is what we all need to rise for. It's something I pursued deeply and focus on. And I found it was only when I could detach equally from the good and the bad. And it was like, if I kept letting the good pump me up, the bad was always going to hit me. And so I had to find it. And it wasn't rejecting the good because that also didn't work. For a while, I tried to like reject good. Like how do you do it? Yeah.

1:15:44Jay Shetty:If someone was like, well, I'm still working on it too. I haven't fully figured it out, but I feel like I'm getting closer all the time. So in the beginning I was like, same as what you're saying. Someone says something good, amazing. If someone says something bad, I feel sad. Then I did the opposite where I was rejecting both. So if someone said something good, I'd be like, all right, whatever, like I don't need to know. And if someone says something bad, I'd be like, oh, I don't need to know. And that's where, that's the part I'm at now. Yeah. And I was like, that doesn't work either because now, and then, And then what I started to realize was I allowed the good to go in deeper and I allowed the bad to almost be filtered more clearer.

1:16:18Jay Shetty:And what I mean by that is instead of the good going to my head and my ego and that kind of like arrogance, it was going to my heart as fuel for like, this is why I do what I do. so if someone said to me like hey your work you know which would you've had like your work helped me to save my marriage or not commit suicide or whatever it is like i was like oh let me really access that like don't just take it as like this yeah buzz like dopamine yeah it's like take it take it where it lands and then when you get back when you get feedback or you get the bad it's like oh let me not take that to my heart and let me actually allow that to be like or let me get the clarity of what could i improve or what could i work on so complicated man but so smart it's subtle It's very subtle, but it's helping at least.

1:17:00Jay Shetty:I'm not saying it's the end. I think there's multiple layers to it. Can I ask you more about that? Of course. Sorry to interrupt you. Oh, no, no, no. Like letting the good in. And I totally feel that because I think I've started to do that as well. It's like this isn't just like a dopamine hit. Like I'm not putting this in my mouth right now. This is like there's something there that's important that like I have to internalize to help me do it again and do more of it and like to kind of like hone in on that specific thing but how when someone says something hurtful to you or like i guess it's like hate versus criticism are two different conversations but like when someone says something hurtful to you like how are you taking that in how do you let that in because it just like it can like sits in my stomach and like makes me feel like shit oh yeah i can relate i definitely relate yeah it's the worst uh i think what i've tried to do is to try and separate if possible and not everything is, right?

1:17:51Jay Shetty:It's like, if you've got muddy water, there's mud and water. And my job is to get the water and remove the mud so that I can give drinking water to myself and the people I love. And so my job is to be a sieve or a filter to be able to go, all right, let me take the mud out, which is the sting, the pain, the hurt, the ego, the arrogance, and see if there's any water left for me to hold. And if there is, then that water will actually rest quite beautifully and perfectly. and now I don't have to take it in. It's something I just have to hold and make space for, but I'm not gonna hold onto the mud and the sting and the arrow because that's the part that pierces through us and breaks us down.

1:18:32Jay Shetty:That's really, really beautiful, man. Yeah, and it takes practice. Like I'm not saying I do it all the time and I'm not saying I don't fail at this all the time, but it's like, I think that practice has been really helpful because accepting both didn't work, rejecting both didn't work. And the Buddha always talked about the middle path and it's always like, if you're gonna hold something, don't hold it too tight. but then you can't hold it too loosely. So it's like, how do you hold something just beautifully? It's almost like how you'd hold your wife's hand. I don't want to go from Buddha to golf, but golf.

1:18:59It's like, so you want to have like a bird in your hand that you're not going to crush, but you won't like get away.

1:19:02Jay Shetty:That's a Buddha analogy. That's actually fun. Yeah, we got to get you on the golf course. But dude, that's it. Like if you're holding your wife's hand, you're not going to squish it, whereas like she never wants, like you're like, oh, you're never going to leave, but you're never going to hold it softly where you don't have any affection. It's like, how would you, I feel like holding my wife's hand is like a good. That's a really good analogy. I mean, that's a really brilliant way to do it. I have like really struggled to accept criticism and like, and I mean, any like hate or anything like that.

1:19:31Jay Shetty:Dude, me too. And I think there is a difference. There's a difference. I think you have to. There's some shit that's just like, oh, you. Yeah, totally. There's some stuff that's like that. But even criticism can be hard. For sure. Take it so hard. And I think it's hard because we don't deeply receive in the heart the good. Yeah. It's kind of because it's just the dopamine. Yeah. So it's like we deeply received the bad. That's so true. It's like, that's all I actually feel, right? I think that's why we like, sometimes I watch like these horror movies and I'm like, oh man, I hate the part where they're all like happy in the beginning.

1:19:58I'm like, get to the part where they're all getting chopped up. You know, that's like what, that's this thing inside of us that like, that feels more like for some people, but for me, it feels more like that's the stuff that reaches you more because it's painful and scary. Yes. I'm not a psycho. But dude, that's really, really eyeopening for me. like and I want so bad to work on that um and work on accepting the good too and I'm like I'm a rejecter of the good a lot of the times because I it's like this superstition of like if I let any good in then like then it'll all go away because I need to be like I said like I need to be in pain but there's got to be a way like you said to like to to take it without it killing me but with also like in a way that I can take the lesson away from it I love that man

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1:23:38Jay Shetty:Noah, you've been amazing today. Like truly I've, I feel like you're the easiest guy to talk to. You're like so much fun to hang with. Like, I'm like, I hope we get to do this offline, but, uh, we end every episode with a couple of segments that I want to take you through. These are fun, uh, because you're such a fun, loving guy. So now before you go, I want to say thank you, man, because like getting to talk about this kind of stuff in this way, like it's not common for me. and so it really means a lot like and listening to you care about the questions you're asking and the responses just for me has been like really cool and um you know i've listened to your show and and everyone says like this dude is the man and like you are awesome and like your intention like into the world for what you're doing is really really special and right now i need it more than ever so thank you dude like for real you're the shit like i would say this off camera i'll say it on camera like you are awesome bro thank you man that really touched my heart thank you're saying that.

1:24:29I mean it, dude.

1:24:30Jay Shetty:I'm practicing what I said earlier, which is really allowing that to - And then I'll say something shitty to you. Yeah, and then I'm going to try and figure that out. But - Nah, man, thank you, bro. It's been sweet. No, honestly, that means the world for me coming from you. And this is like, this hasn't even felt like an interview. I feel like - Honestly, those are my favorite conversations where I feel like, we've just been talking and I can talk to you for another few hours. I was like, I know, fuck, it's over, bro. Yeah, I know. We were going, dude. I can keep going. I just want to be mindful of your time.

1:24:57Jay Shetty:These are some fun segments because you're such a fun-loving guy to end with. And I was like, yeah, this guy's music's so deep, but he's just such a good time. So, all right. These are two little games that we got. And then we have a final five that we do with every guest. If you've listened, you'll know. This is called Would You Rather. All right. Wave back at someone who wasn't waving at you or tell your server at a restaurant, you too, after they tell you, enjoy your meal. Dude, there's nothing in the world worse than waving at someone that doesn't wave back at you, bro. It's got to be the server one because they walk right away.

1:25:27The wave one, they're like, they're going to see that for a few seconds as they pass you. So that's worse? Oh yeah, waywards.

1:25:33Jay Shetty:Okay. Trip and fall on stage at one of your concerts or forget the lyrics to your song while performing on national TV? I've tripped and fall so many times, tripped and fallen so many times that people are like almost expecting it. So I'd say tripping and falling, forgetting where's national TV. And you just pop right back up. You just got to get back up and go, dude. That's amazing. Be extremely self-aware or completely oblivious? when you're just talking about this. Ooh, I want to say be completely oblivious, but like it would kind of like spit in the face the conversation we just had. I'd say be completely self-aware because there's always room to, you can make yourself a little bit more oblivious if you want to.

1:26:08Jay Shetty:Yeah. Send a text by accident to the person you're talking about or accidentally like a really old photo while stalking them on Instagram. Oh, it's so tough because the text one could be terrible depending on what you're saying, but liking the old photo is like crazy. Like I've had that happen to me, obviously, and like people are like, dude, what are you doing? The amount of times he must have scrolled to get to that photo. I think sending a text by accident, but those are both bad things. They're both bad, yeah. Your dog can talk and has a very strong personality that clashes with yours. Or your dog can't talk, but they don't really like you.

1:26:40That's what I already have, dude. I have German Shepherds who look at me, they're just like, yeah, you're going to play video games to get another spliff? Great. Like, I think probably dogs that don't like me because I can convince myself that they're just like, look mean.

1:26:52Jay Shetty:I love it. Play around with Tiger Woods, but you accidentally hit him with the ball on the very first hole. Or play the best game of your life at a fancy country club, but you're alone and can never tell a soul how good your game was. Oh, dude. These are really hard. They're very hard. I think I would probably curl up into a ball and die if I hit Tiger Woods with a golf ball. I think I'd have to just play by myself and play well, which doesn't happen to me anyway. So perfect. So it's not really a choice. Yeah. All right. So this game is called Gut Reaction. Noah, just complete the sentence. my favorite compliment to receive is I love your shoes I love getting a compliment in my shoes I was actually going to ask you where your shoes are from when you walked in today and I waited because I was like I need a pair of those it's happening yeah it's happening it's happening I was genuinely going to ask you I don't know I've been looking for shoes with those laces for a while yeah these kind of laces are nice yeah yeah yeah I want yeah alright we'll talk about shoes later my guilty pleasure artist or song is oh send me on my way Rusted Root okay alright the most unhinned thought I've had this week was?

1:27:52Oh, dude, I was driving and I had this intrusive thought where I was like, that's probably like some OCD shit, but I was like, I could just like swerve into that lane and just like everything up, bro.

1:28:02Jay Shetty:I've had that thought before. Isn't it crazy? It's so crazy. And then you're like, wait a minute, why did my brain go there? You're like, oh, Jesus Christ. Then I'm like, then I'm like rearranging my hands to make sure I'm like very much staying on my own lane. But yeah, that's probably my craziest one. The hill I will die on for no reason is. Mac and cheese is just like not very good. I think it's like a pretty creatively boring dish, like literally just wheat and cheese melted. I feel like Caveman probably was the first person to make a bag of cheese, and I think people go a little too crazy for it.

1:28:30People get too excited. They make it in such large quantities as well.

1:28:32Jay Shetty:You and my wife would have a big debate over that. I know, people really don't like when I say that. Yeah, you and my wife would. The weirdest place I've written a song is? I wrote a song in the bathroom of JFK one time, which was crazy. I think I was hungover, and it just came to me, and I was like, this would be a fun story to tell if I finished this song and I wrote a whole song on my phone. It hasn't come out, but if it ever does, that'll be a fun one to tell. Okay, so it's not out yet. Yeah, we're taking a shit, brother. That's what it's going to be called. One thing my wife makes fun of me for is?

1:29:06I like to just sit there and we get these big bags of Tootsie Roll, mini Tootsie Roll pops and I'll sit there in one bite, just crunch the entire thing. I'll do like 50 in a row. She calls it crunch time and it's just hilarious because you just hear my teeth like shattering against the lollipops and she's like, I think she just hates it. I don't think she makes fun of it as much, but that's a weird thing that I do around my wife. Do you do it on purpose now? I just love it, dude. I don't have the patience to like lick it or whatever. I'm just like, like in my teeth, my incisors, dude, they just destroy that thing.

1:29:33Jay Shetty:That's amazing. All right. Which fellow music star would you call to help you bury a dead body? I'm calling my buddy Nile Horn. I think he would do it with me. Nice. All right. That's a good, that was quick. You were like, I know, and I would do it. He owes me one. And the last one of these for Gut Reaction, first artist you'd want next to you on a long bus tour ride? Ooh, oh my God. My buddy Corey Harper, awesome singer-songwriter, one of my best friends in the world, and just like the funniest man alive. Yeah. Amazing. Gut Reaction, you were good. That was great. Thanks, dude. That was fun. Those were good questions.

1:30:08Jay Shetty:You were really impressive. All right, final five we ask is to every guest who's ever been on the show. These have to be answered in one word to one sentence. Okay. Usually one sentence. First question. What is the best advice you've ever heard or received? Be where your feet are. Great advice. Second question. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? Play it safe. Yeah. Question number three. What's something you used to value that you don't anymore? I don't value like my physical appearance as much as I used to. Wow. Yeah. Which I can expand. Yeah, please. Oh, I can? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:30:40I only got one sentence. Yeah, no, no, no. I want you to. Like, it took me a long time to be comfortable the way I look, like my face and the way I look. and while I want to be healthy and I want to have a better body image, I don't like need people to think I'm attractive. And that's been a cool thing, just kind of got to be myself.

1:30:53Jay Shetty:That sounds really freeing. Yeah, it's dope. Yeah, that's awesome, man. I love hearing that. Question number four, what's something that you didn't value that you value now? My time. I think I was, I value my time more than I, I value my time more than I ever have. I always wanted to grind so hard and like be the dog that just like works as hard or harder than anybody else. and now I'm like so much like this is my time. I'm going to do what makes me feel good in this moment instead of like feeling like I need to be doing a million things. I love that. And fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest on the show.

1:31:25Jay Shetty:If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? That's a great question. I was going to say using your blinker when you turn, but that's actually already a law and people just don't follow it. That's a great answer. If I could create one law, you are not legally allowed to post videos of fireworks. Like I'm so tired of seeing people post videos of like 4th of July. I'm like, dude, that looks horrible. No one sees what you're trying to look at. You're laughing, your hands are shaking. Like just enjoy the fireworks, dude. That's it. That's brilliant. That is hilarious.

1:31:57Jay Shetty:We've never had that in the history of the show. So that is a great answer. That's like, I might actually like that. I might need to like start petitioning for that to become a real law. I love it. Noah, you are such a good time. I hope you genuinely felt seen and heard today on the show. I hope you felt you got to share in a safe space what you're going through. Really did, man. You know, and long may this continue. I hope you'll come back. I hope we'll do a lot more of this. Dude, totally. And yeah, let's go play pickleball or something sometime. I'd love to hang out with you outside of it. And I appreciate being on the show.

1:32:25It's a really, really cool experience and very helpful. And hopefully people hear this. And yeah, like we both want, feel heard. So thank you, man. Thank you, man. Thank you.

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