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23:27And so they did a bunch of research around this and how this is possible. And they would put some of the best remote viewers under the ocean in a submarine to be like, okay, well, we know waves can't penetrate that deep of water. So what is this skill? Is it still possible underwater because telephone signals aren't right. Cell phone signals aren't like most signals can't go through water. And these remote viewers were significantly accurate, like statistically so that they could still find targets when underwater. And there's been so much released on that program. Yeah. And I think the, one of the best remote viewers was, I believe a Burbank police chief and And someone, FBI or CIA, was in his office and saw that he had, like, marked on the map where submarines were.

24:14Well, that's alarming. How does this guy know where the submarines were? And he was like, I could just see them. And he became one of the best, like, remote viewers in the program. And they did some of these, quote, unquote, telepathy tapes, these telepathy tests with another man named Uri Geller. They would have him draw what was in a closed box. And he was pretty accurate. And so if people want to read that book, like that's a great gateway into this that shows something is happening. Something is real. And this program went on for a long time. And they say it's expired. I think it's probably still going on in the United States government.

24:48But that was remote viewing and using psychic abilities. Are there any other programs or things you've come across like that that are used in the modern world in a less spiritual space? For sure, Russia, China, the United States have been looking into these sociabilities as very real elements. And of course, they're trying to use it for warfare and spying. I know that there's a lot of people who will teach remote viewing and map dowsing, where you try to go figure out where something might be located on a map. And some people are really good at that. It could be like the ancient, whatever, aqueduct is here.

25:23And they can help you find it. And like, these are things that have map dowsing has gone on for thousands of years, where people will know what's underground. How? I don't understand how, but it's a real thing. I did not understand how remote viewing could work. And so I went to a workshop one day because I thought, I wonder if I could learn this. And this was kind of like right in the heart of like me trying to understand everything. And I was just immersing into anything I could. And so I went to like a workshop where they try to teach you how to do this. And I was with one of my close friends and they said, okay, we're going to do a remote viewing experiment.

25:56We're about to pull a slide up and you all have to draw what's on the slide. And I was like, a slide? Like, that's not even like in the physical world that we can like maybe see. How's that going to work? And so all these, everyone's, you know, trying to clear their mind and people after 10 minutes or whatever, I look at some of the drawings and it looks like people were drawing like these big circles and stuff. And what I was getting in my head was like, draw a tree and like a little bit of water and the word green and a bird and a sun. And my drawing looks so rudimentary, like something a four-year-old would draw.

26:28And then all of a sudden they show what it was and it was a peacock. And I'm like, okay, so I had bird and green, but I don't think that counts. And then my friend turns over her paper and on her paper was a tree and a sun. She wrote the word green. She had water. We had the same picture. I have a picture on my phone. And that's when I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going on here for a remote viewing or if her and I just crossed paths and there was like real telepathy. Like we sunk up, Whatever signal it was, her and I had the same drawing. And that's when I was like, this whole thing is really mysterious.

26:59And I finally understood what the parents were talking about. Because I was like, did we both tune into the same signal? Or were we sharing and influencing each other? What was that? But that was an astounding moment for me that made me believe in things like remote viewing. Have you and your friend ever tried doing that again? No, I should ask her. Yeah. Yeah. That would be really fascinating to sit down again. Yeah, it would really be awesome to try that again. And for me, the biggest shock was, again, I thought, okay, we're studying telepathy, we can do these telepathy tests, we can prove it or, you know, validate it.

27:31I guess there's no proof in science, but validate it. And that's what I thought was. But then when I was immersed with so many wonderful human beings and families, the thing that I started seeing and that they start talking about quite quickly, especially the non-speakers is, no, this is bigger than just telepathy. So many individuals can also know languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible? Or tell the future and can accurately predict something that's going to happen. And sure, that could be coincidental or maybe it's not. Or had information about something they'd never learned, be it math or science or even spiritual information.

28:07And so many others were talking about seeing beyond the grave, like knowing people and bringing messages through. and that was totally disorienting for me because that was all new. I didn't think any of that stuff was possible. Individuals talking about rocks that had powers. I mean, I came into that being like, wait, what? Yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it, where it's so hard in our material world to give space for invisible thinking because like you said, everything that we look at is so visibly measured, visibly real, that's how we function as a society, then almost when these ideas start to seep in, it starts to become very challenging.

28:47And certain ideas have found their place in the Western world when you look at things like astrology. And so coming from an Eastern background, astrologers who have incredible abilities rarely exist anymore. But those that in India had these abilities, like you've seen the Western version of astrology evolve and it exists in some capacity in our world. But you find most of these ideas kind of fall by the wayside and don't really have a version or like a lot of astrology can be and is, get labeled as woo-woo or just, you know, made up or meant to make people feel safe. What was it that gave you so much trust when you were doing these tests yourself that gave you a sense of confidence from being someone who in your own words, you felt, well, it's not that you came from a spiritual background or this what you're open to.

29:36And all of a sudden you're like, no, I believe this. Like, what, what did you see? What did you, you experienced that you were like, no, no, this, this is legitimate. Yeah. And I think the most important thing for anyone walking into this world is forget about the telepathy, forget about all that stuff, like meet the people. And, and when you're talking to parents in particular who are stretched thin, they have so many, um, just daily challenges with working, you know, just helping their children, but actually battling for their children every day to get the education they need, the supports they need, the care they need.

30:08And for these parents who have so much love and so much sacrifice, and yet there's this other dimension of what the heck is going on. And their sincerity of just like, we know this is happening. Can you just help us understand why? And when you start hearing that from parent after parent after parent who don't know each other, it's pretty clear there's not a mass conspiracy going on. And so meeting the parents, loving the parents. I mean, they truly are the biggest, most, they're the love warriors on this earth right now. And then meeting the non-speakers with just such honesty around what's going on.

30:40There's no, it's not, for them, this is just life. Here, I'm going to talk about this. I'm going to share this. I'm going to talk about this. And that became convincing. And then, and then, so I think I walked in trusting the parents, trusting the non-speakers, believing that they were telling the truth. And then I think when you are coming from it from a place of belief and trust, it's so much more likely for these things to unfold. You know, a lot of, I think not just me, but scientists would say like love is the basis of a lot of these psi abilities. If anyone ever has had this moment where something went wrong, it's because you love that person.

31:14You felt deeply something happened to that person. We have accounts of that from all over the world in history, or you're thinking about someone you care deeply about and the second the phone rings and it's them. I mean, these links are, I think, based in love and they're not that rare. We've all had that phone telepathy. And I just want to say this really quick too, because I think that that belief as a, as a measure of like being able to experience and see some of this stuff, there is space for that in science. We have the placebo effect. That's part and parcel of every, you know, major medical like study because it's real belief and believing in something helps and changes the outcomes.

31:48I think if you were to walk in with the non-speakers and think, I don't believe this is possible. There's not telepathy. I don't think you're going to see much. But I think when you're like, I trust you, I trust what you're saying is true. I think people are much more likely to be themselves and show their full self. And telepathy is part of that in this world. I couldn't be more excited to share something truly special with all you tea lovers out there. And even if you don't love tea, if you love refreshing, rejuvenating, refueling sodas that are good for you, listen to this. Radhi and I poured our hearts into creating Juni sparkling tea with adaptogens for you because we believe in nurturing your body and with every sip, you'll experience calmness of mind, a refreshing vitality, and a burst of brightness to your day.

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33:56And I mean, her big thesis is ESP should be considered a savant skill because science as a whole legitimizes savant so that you might know a language or music or math without being taught or exposed to it. And that's pretty wild. How does that happen if you haven't been taught it? And so ESP is in the same realm, right? Like, you know something you shouldn't know. Because how? How could you know the future? How can you know someone's thoughts? So - Sorry, could you tell us what ESP is? Oh, ESP is an extrasensory perception. So a sense of knowing something without your five senses. So she was studying savant skills.

34:28And what was fascinating is some of the parents who had a quote unquote savant, which is a troubling word of itself for a few reasons we can talk about later. But like, we're saying, actually, I don't know if they're savant. I thought they were because I thought they had every book on my bookshelf memorized. But then I'm learning, no, I think they can see through my eyes or I think they're reading my mind. And she heard that enough times that she started studying that. And lo and behold, in the studies she did, she was seeing what I saw, which was this bears out. Unfortunately, because so many of our scientific institutions are rooted in materialism and the journals and such, it's really hard to publish papers on this, to get grants to do the research around it, to publish a book on it.

35:08and when she published a book and was on her book tour, suddenly the board said, we're taking your license away because we think there must be something wrong with you. And she had a petition. She had to go through psychological testing to prove that she was of sound mind and then she begged them to look at the book and they realized, oh, this is sound science and she's sound. Okay, you can have your license back and you can do this, but the trauma is done because you've had to pay a lot of fees. It hurts your reputation. It comes up on Google. And so I think for a lot of the scientists who are on the cutting edge of this too, they've been harmed because for me, I believe that at the baseline for science, you should have a freedom of inquiry.

35:45You should be able to ask a question and see where it leads. And as a society, we need to ask ourselves, well, what is going on? If you can't ask a question because people are afraid of the answer, I mean, that's troubling. And it's also limiting because as humans, this is really exciting that there is a very real non-physical world. and I think that's what everyone actually cares about at the end of the day like don't we care if that's that that that has implications for where we're going and why we're here yeah yeah so Dr. Powell she saw the truth of it but she also ran hard into the the the deeply skeptical materialist society and science world what kept her going I mean I think the same thing I mean she laid low for a while after that you know and then she actually retired when right before the telepathy tapes came out.

36:34She's like, I don't want to be fined again. I don't want to deal with all this. And she was ready, but she was like, this is not worth it. So I think what kept her going is kind of the same thing that, you know, when I hit upload on that first episode, I was like, I might destroy my entire reputation as a documentarian, as a human being. I don't know what people are going to think, but like, this is true. And it's, this truth is worth it. And I think Dr. Powell underwent that. When you see it, you can't unsee it. When you're in the room and you experience it, you can't unexperience it. And when you meet these families so full of love and truth and earnestness that are just like, someone tell us why, no one is listening.

37:10You kind of want to carry the burden for them. You shoulder it for them because you're like, you aren't crazy. You're telling the truth. Like someone does need to listen. And I think Dr. Powell felt that urgency of like, I will carry your torch. And then I met all of them and I was like, I will also carry your torch. And now I think there's a lot of listeners carrying the torch, which is beautiful. Yeah, definitely. There are so many people that I've been speaking to her about it with since I've been listening. And the conversations that it's starting are actually the most exciting part for me.

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40:51And now it's self-evident, you know. It's a flat earth. Like people believe the earth was flat for a really long time. And then it wasn't. But people like clung to that. I mean, there's still a few people out there. There's still a few flat earthers left. But I think about the materialist science of now. And I'm like, I wonder if in 100 years, they're going to, clinging to materialism, they're going to look like the flat earthers, you know. But even when the Wright brothers first launched their plane, People didn't believe it. They didn't believe it unless they saw it. They had to go on a tour and fly their little plane all over for people to believe it.

41:21So it's not—I think this happens with any big leap, whether it's in science and spirituality or whatever it is. And this is just—this is the blowback, the anger, the confusion, the trying to find, like, you know, the character assassination is going to come from anyone carrying the thing. That's happened throughout history. That is just part and parcel when you bring in big news, I think. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And I almost think that it's at like a perfect synchronicity with all of our developments in AI. Like, you know, we're at this precipice where it's like AI is the new frontier at a very basic level.

41:59Everyone's now using chat GPT. And then we're looking at what singularity could look like. And we're looking at the tech horizon of all of this advancement. And it only makes sense to me that at the same time, we need this other side. that we're also seeing these advancements in our spiritual understanding and our spiritual exploration. And I wanted to ask you, so far with Dr. Powell's work and what you've seen, what has been conclusively defined? Or when people are asking the question, why is this happening? What do we know, if anything right now, of why it's happening? I don't think we know yet.

42:31Right. And I think it's because there's been such a lack of funding. I mean, that was one of the hopes with the celebrity tapes was to get Dr. Powell some funding. And she's gotten funding now, which is great. And, you know, I know she wants to look at some MRI scans and some QEG scans. And that's important because she's looking at it from the brain stuff, which is what a neuroscientist should be doing. And I'm interested in doing like really good telepathy tests that are visual for film. And so many scientists have been reaching out, which has been beautiful since this has come forward being like, I want to work on an experiment or research.

43:04And so I'm trying to get on board with our team, a non-speaking science advisor to kind of help and then do a roundtable with a bunch of the scientists who all have big ideas, bring some of the non-speakers in and have a conversation about like, what can we test? What should we test? What would be helpful? What are the limitations? And kind of go from there. Why do you think it's so important? What do you think? I'm intrigued to know what you think it would unlock for us by discovering the answer behind this. What do you see? Well, again, I think it's more than just telepathy. Yes, agreed, yeah.

43:36And there's a teacher who has been at this longer than Dr. Powell or me in Wisconsin who will constantly say, I think there's a sharing of consciousness. I think there's a linking. And that's a curious question because if that's the case, that means that consciousness is coming from somewhere else and that we can beam into it. I mean, I don't know. If you think of our body as a television set, right, that will animate and all this stuff, but that's, it's like, we don't carry the signal. The signal is coming from somewhere else. That's one view of consciousness. Like that is one possibility. And I think the non-speaking telepathy pairing that happens with a teacher or a parent, if we could test through a QEG and figure out, is the message coming in?

44:19Like this, is the brain lighting up at the same time in the same place? We might be able to learn something. I'm not a scientist, so I want other people to carry the torch and figure out the experiments. And I hope to create for the film, like we're going to make some spaces where non-speakers and researchers and scientists can talk about it. And then I hope the science just goes forth in a comfortable way for everyone. My biggest concern, of course, is exploitation of non-speaking individuals and their families. Like it has to be in a way that feels really safe and good for them. And some families want answers.

44:47Some are just like, we know this is happening. This is great. This has changed our lives. Everyone has to volunteer and do what's comfortable for them. But I just, my goal was to get this out there. and so that people would listen to the parents and hopefully believe them. Yeah, when you started doing the tests, I remember you saying that you were seeing like a 95 % success rate, which is extremely high. What were you seeing in the 5 % that was inaccurate or incomplete? Yeah, and I'm smiling when you said that because like I said 95 % because it just felt like the more science-y thing to say. Like it was actually pretty much like 100%, but like when I talk about the 5 % it's because they're spelling to communicate.

45:25so sometimes if like they were if pony was the thing that was on the flash card maybe they spelled like pp it hit twice o-n-y or something like that where it's like can we count it we won't count it because there was a p hit twice so we would discount it again i'm not a scientist but in like my human mind i was like that counted you know so there is that element where it's like they wrote the thing it would be it would be an a tactical error like that yeah right oh wow so it It was literally things like spelling, basically. It was like, yeah. Yeah, or a double tap, et cetera. A double tap. Yeah.

45:58Yeah, it'd be a double tap. I remember when we were doing one telepathy experiment, there was a production assistant that was like walking around with Doritos. And then every time they entered the room with the Doritos, it's like the test would get disrupted. Like most of the word would be spelled like bicycle. And then the E would be left off because it'd be like Doritos are here, you know? And so stuff like that, we didn't count it because all bicycle didn't. But again, like the science-y part was like, okay, we can't count bicycle because the whole world wasn't spelled. But like the human being in me was like, she just rode bicycle.

46:28And then Doritos came in the room. And what about some of them that could see colors and letters around numbers? Where was that coming from? Yeah. I mean, so there's something called synesthesia. Yes. And that is synesthesia, right? You see colors, different senses get tied to different things. With non-speaking individuals, it's really beautiful and interesting. And again, like broad brush here. So, but some of the people I was talking with, like one girl says that she sees the colors around each letter so she doesn't have to see the letter board because she's pointing to a color so that's pretty cool a lot of non-speaking individuals say they see auras not just around people but around plants and cut flowers and they'll see that the aura drifting off as the cut floor flowers dying around rocks and again it wouldn't be just one individual it'd be many saying these things so at a certain point you're like okay things have auras and there's colors and that tells you how if someone's good or bad or angry or whatever you know i mean it was just beautiful the amount of information that was so articulate and so profound that was being shared across the board you've dedicated three and a half years to this now right do you feel like it's feels like your purpose it's become something that's so i mean to dedicate three and a half years is a long long long long time and the telepathy tapes you launched fairly recently like just around the holidays or whatever and to see the incredible success they've had but it's been so much study and time what i want to know your emotions and feelings throughout this three and a half years and then whether it feels like your purpose now yeah i mean no i think everything in my life has led to this i think everything has and it is fully my purpose for being here and i'm so humbled like what a wonderful wonderful purpose and i don't know if purpose is given to us from somewhere else or if it creates your purpose but like my favorite book is victor frankl's man's search for meaning and i love that one of the beautiful takeaways in that book right is like the meaning of life is whatever gives your life meaning and nothing ever to come across my path outside of the people I love, like my spouse and kids.

48:23But beyond that, like nothing has given my life more meaning than this. To me, it's answering and picking through the most complex, important questions. So like what a humbling, beautiful gift to just have fallen into this beautiful world. What meaning has it spoken to for you? So what questions has it answered for you or what questions has it made you ask that you find it so meaningful for us to know? You know, for me, it was really a peeling of the onion. And first it was seeing the telepathy over and over and over again and being like, okay, I don't need to ask that question. That's fully happening.

48:59And then I almost felt like the parents would let me in on things as they thought I was ready. You know, so even hearing and understand that Houston, one of the individuals and to the telepathy tapes understands that feels rocks so deeply. And that was something that I always just shrugged off. Okay. So telepathy is real and rocks truly give off, you know, energy and frequency. What else have I dismissed that's real? So I started finding that things that I just shoved away as like, that's impossible. This is fake, or these are charlatans or frauds. You know, I started coming to terms with everything I'd ever just ignored or dismissed in life and reevaluating it.

49:37So telepathy, like, yes, okay. Rocks, crystals. Now I'm like, okay, I have crystal things on my wrist. Like, it's like, yes, those have a powerful thing. And then non-speakers talking about the other side. I mean, that was something that came up a lot. In fact, that often is the first thing before telepathy is this person's here. Auntie has this message for you. You know, this person is telling me not that you tell whoever in India not to buy this land because that land has a bad well on it. And I mean, just the amount of messages parents were telling me that they were receiving from the other side through their child was wild.

50:11That was relevant to the parent's life. That was so relevant that would bear out that there's no way their child would know. So then it started making me think, okay, we don't go away. Like we're here. Like consciousness survives. I think all of it was a cognitive dissonance of now I fully believe that psi abilities are real, that consciousness survives death, that we are all intimately connected, that love is the baseline for everything. And I think I see the non-speakers as my teacher, not the other way around. I mean, they are all of our teachers. If people just take the time to listen and meet them where they're at.

50:46And I think what they would say is love is the most important thing. We have it all wrong. We're all connected. It is bigger than any of us. and that these spiritual gifts are in us all. Yeah. I mean, the Eastern traditions describe consciousness to have three qualities, sat, chit, and ananda, which mean full of knowledge, which makes sense to what you're saying now, eternal, endless, and full of bliss, love. And so when you're saying that, even through your discovery, that potentially consciousness, the idea that there's greater to consciousness where there's knowledge or messages being inferred that comes from that full of knowledge the idea that you're saying consciousness doesn't die you used a word there i forgot it but this idea that it's continuous and that continues to exist as the eternal part and then like you said it's founded on love is the full of bliss and so those qualities actually seem to match very coherently with the eastern spiritual traditions of understanding what consciousness actually is.

51:48I've always been excited about science catching up with spirituality. And so I love when science can prove the value in spirituality and beliefs or practices that have happened for hundreds or thousands of years. And I've seen it happen with mindfulness and meditation where, you know, these practices have been around for thousands of years and today mindfulness and meditation are no longer woo-woo and made up. When meditation was first being studied, it was kind of ridiculed as being woo-woo. Even when I first started practicing it, like I first started practicing meditation around 2007. And if you talked about meditation to someone in 2007, they didn't really think it was that valuable or they thought it was just made up.

52:33Or if you told someone that breath work was a way of calming yourself down or, you know, reducing negative thoughts or anxiety, people would have laughed at you. And so I've seen it happen with a few things and I've always been excited by when science has been able to have the language, the tools, the vocabulary to talk about these ideas. I was just back at the monastery that I used to live at in India this January. And I had some of my most powerful meditation experiences nearly 20 years after I first started meditating. And it's hard to explain, like it's hard to put into words. And, you know, you can often feel, and I'm sure, you know, the nonverbal children, they probably feel as well, like how little they can even, you know, through the written word, actually explain what they're experiencing or what they're going through.

53:22And we can all identify with emotions and feelings like that. Even if we don't believe, know, trust what's going on. I think we've all had experiences where like, I have no idea how to explain this, or I have no idea how to put this into words. I've always wanted that marriage between science and spirituality, where science will actually look to spirituality for what to look into. Me and Andrew Huberman, who's been on the show a few times, will always talk about a lot of the practices he suggests and recommends, like starting off your day looking at sunlight, which kicks off our circadian rhythm and keeps everything in harmony and balance.

53:54Surya Namaskar, which translated as sun salutations, is an ancient practice of looking at the sun when you wake up first thing in the morning and how that was the way to get your body invigorated. And so you see these similarities in these ancient practices that people have done for thousands of years. They may not have said, oh, it's about the circadian rhythm. And, you know, they didn't talk about it like that, but they were these beautiful practices in every tradition that existed because of their value to the human body, the human mind, and the human spirit. It's beautiful. And it's all correct.

54:28I think you're right. and and i think science is catching up to some of this stuff because when you look back on things like telepathy you if you go to most native you know groups of people that are still around and thriving i think they would say yeah duh yeah you know the sense of being stared at is real like often like remote viewing to where the hunt is is real these are things that were part and parcel of survival for for individuals and like we feel removed from it but it doesn't mean that it's hasn't always been there. Yeah, exactly. And, and, and while there are naturally as always people who've exploited or lied or pretended or Charlotte, whatever in, in these traditions, naturally, as there are in everywhere, uh, science included and, and everywhere else, it's almost like those people exist because the real thing exists because there's someone who can do it for real.

55:22And then someone's trying to, you know, do something with it. Exactly. But that's usually how it works. You only get, this is a terrible example, but that's where my mind's going. You only get fake Gucci handbags because there's real ones. And that's the idea with research, like you only get fake something when the real thing has been existed or experienced. And then you make the fake version because you don't know how the real one exists. Absolutely. And I think you take something that probably has the most amount of quote unquote charlatans and the most amount of skepticism, like mediums, right?

55:50However, like the Windbridge Institute, Forever Family Foundation, there are groups out there that will like double, triple blind test individuals to be like, these are the people we've tested, we've tested, we've tested, they don't even know who's the sitter versus blank, blank, blank. And they've come up with a list. You know, like 15 % of the people they tested were the real deal according to these tests. So I think that's what's a good reminder for people too, is if you look into a lot of this stuff, some of the people, there are organizations and institutions out there looking at the science, trying to vet the best from the best.

56:24And you can do it. Like if you spend the time to do the research, you can figure out if it's real and who's the real deal. Why is our resistance so deep? Like why are we so stuck in our ways when it comes to these ideas? And the same is probably true for scientific and technological advancement too. I think, you know, I recently spoke to Bill Gates and he was talking about the idea that computers would exist in every home was just bizarre. Like people are like, that's ridiculous. Like no one's going to have a personal computer in their home. what's the need, right? That was the opinion that people had.

56:57So I don't think it's, I actually don't think it's just spirituality. I think any form of innovation meets that kind of resistance. Where does that come from? Why is it that we're so resistant? What have you seen from human behavior and people you've come across? For sure, people are resistant to change, right? We like our status quo. It feels safe. We like feeling safe. But I think when it comes to psi abilities, usually it's so vulnerable, right? To think that someone could know your mind or connect with the other side or tell your future. I mean, to be had when it comes to something so personal, so vulnerable, is like the worst thing ever.

57:34It's like telling a secret and have someone stabbing you in the back. It's just to lay bare your soul and trust that someone's actually being a good steward of like your deepest secrets or connections and then lying about it and profiting off it. I mean, there's like nothing grosser profiting off of vulnerability and trust is just the worst and so i think that's why people are really skeptical they want to make sure that this stuff which is good like we people shouldn't be profiting off of people's vulnerability but i think these skills are real and i think most of them probably have can do it have you felt that spending more time with the children the families and everything are these abilities that those of us that are mere mortals and normal can develop and build and grow?

58:18Or are they things that are reserved for specifically the nonverbal speakers? No, I think that everyone probably has these in us to a certain degree, just like some people are excellent at basketball and some people can barely shoot a basket. So I think that it depends on the individual. Like telepathy seems so remarkably hard. How do you even read someone's thoughts? But I will say the thing that it was the hardest episode for me to put into the world because it felt so unbelievable, but I knew it to be true because I witnessed it, was that there was a huge amount of teachers, like a lot of teachers, who were saying that after working with, especially usually one student that they were really close to, they were able to start hearing them back.

58:58So the telepathy started going two ways. And when I first heard that, I was shocked. And I was shocked that it wasn't a parent's. I mean, it has, some parents have said this has happened to them. But a lot of teachers were like, I will hear their voice in my head. I can hear their full sentences. I can hear what they're thinking and what they're about to spell. And it goes the same way. And so some of these teachers have told me it's so powerful now that we can sit next to each other and have a nonverbal educational period. And I'll ask questions and they'll write or they'll ask questions. And then I hear it back and there's no, they don't even have to spell.

59:29And when I first heard this, I thought, what? Like, can that be? And then I heard it again and then again and then again from people who don't know each other. And then I heard a woman who was a teacher on a podcast reporting this. And she thought she was the only person that ever happened to the world. And I remember reaching out. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like, you're not alone. Like, I know it seems like a miracle, but this is not, you know, how has that happened? And I don't know, but I wonder, can certain people help us turn it on or like rip off the block in our brain? And I don't know if the non-speaking individuals, these teachers were working with help them get there.

1:00:02Or if you just clear your mind and you're in the space with someone in such a beautiful, special way that we can all do it. Yeah. I mean, I often wonder also whether science will ever be able to measure a lot of these experiences and phenomena in a way that makes sense to everyone. I often wonder that whether some of these things are just the way they are. And like you said, because our scientific tools have been built to measure that which is material and seen, how can we measure something with a tool that's meant to measure something that's seen that's unseen anyway. The most beautiful comment I heard from a non-speaking individual about that was they were like, well, why, why are you all trying to measure telepathy with your instruments was the exact wording.

1:00:48And I was like, well, to prove it. And they're like, well, why aren't you trying to prove love in a lab? That is the most special and strongest power. It will cause people to jump into a choppy ocean or to pick up the car with such adrenaline. If their child is trapped, like love is the greatest superpower. That's the biggest superpower. Why aren't you trying to measure that in a lab? And I was like, I guess, I don't know why. I don't know why we're not measuring love. Has love been measured? But that was the equivalent in their mind of like us trying to measure telepathy. This person was like, this is just part and parcel of this like love connection, communication, almost survival, right?

1:01:19If you can't speak, can't communicate like beyond spelling, it can be a lifeline. And I just thought that was so beautiful because there are certain things that you just accept and telepathy might be so hard for some people to accept, but if you're living it and breathing it as part of your bouquet of what you need to get around in the world, it might seem silly to measure. Parking shouldn't slow you down. ParkWiz gives every driver a shortcut. Book ahead, save up to 50 % and skip the hassle of circling the block. Park smarter, park faster. ParkWiz. Download the ParkWiz app today and save every time you park.

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1:03:27This is Jason Timp from Hoops Tonight. kellybluebookskbb.com. With Tacoma ranked number one, holding the highest projected retained value of any vehicle. Choosing Toyota means having more options and less compromise. So visit buyatoyota.com for a great deal on an efficient Toyota today. Vehicle's projected resale value is specific to the 2025 model year. For more information, visit kellybluebookskbb.com. Toyota, let's go places. What have you found in your research looking at animals and telepathy? Yeah, that is a beautiful element to this, I think. And to me, it really helped me believe everything more.

1:04:07I think that there are mental fields around certain animals. We see this in schools of fish. How are they turning at the exact same time, right? And certain murmurs of birds who basically have the same mind. And there is this idea of are they all kind of connected to a greater mental field of consciousness that is helping control their movements. Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist from Cambridge, talks a lot about this. And he's written books and done incredible research on animals, pets, knowing when their owners are coming home. And they'll put cameras around and page someone at the office. So it's always they're coming home in a different time, in a different car, from a different place.

1:04:40And they have cameras and see that the dog will go stand by the door, and in some cases, cats. And if there's a flat tire, something happens, or this person gets called back into the office, the dog will go back and sit down. And then the second their owner's heading home again, they come back up. So there seems to be this telepathic link there. And one of my favorite stories that we share in the telepathy tapes has to do with elephants. And there was a conservationist who was trying to get, you know, some rowdy elephants into an animal preserve. And after a good amount of time, this man's name was Lawrence Anthony.

1:05:14You know, he really worked to get the elephants trust. He made their safe space. It was a huge amount of land. And he hadn't been, I think, in touch or seen these elephants much in the last few years of his life. And then one day he died. Well, the elephants all kind of gathered and walked to his house from where they were. And they all kind of show up right around the same time. And they stayed for a few days mourning. And it was remarkable for his widow because the question is how did these elephants know to go and do their mourning ritual? Wow. How? And the story doesn't end there. Every year on the anniversary of his death, and this went on for a few years, the elephants would leave what they were doing and go to his house and pay their respects.

1:05:57Only on that day? On that day. It took them a while to get there. They had to walk a few days to get there. But yes, they knew exactly when he died the first time. And then they would pay their respects thereafter for a few years on the day of his death. And so to me, it's like if you have a hard time grasping telepathy in humans, look at the animals. Because we're pretty closely related, you know, and there's just some beautiful treasures of stories of this telepathic link expressing itself in nature. One thing that really stood out to me was, I think you said that the American Speech Language Hearing Association says that spelling is not a valid form of communication.

1:06:37And they call it a pseudoscience. And I was like, so that's interesting as well. Why is it considered that way? There is a history here for sure. And I think the first thing that kind of made the stigma around spelling really take hold was with facilitated communication, where facilitated communication was the first, oh my gosh, the individuals are spelling that people thought were locked inside and could never spell. And that required like touch. and the use of touch became problematic, I think especially with some people who weren't trained because some awful court cases erupted from consent that wasn't given, horrible things that happened through this form of spelling.

1:07:17So then spelling evolved into rapid prompting method and spelling to communicate and now the speller's method where no touch at all. I mean, you cannot touch, it's like a tenant of that. And when you sit in the room with a speller, it's really remarkable to watch, you know, because they're not being touched. They're spelling. It's clear they're pointing directly to where they want to go. It's not like a struggle. The parent is certainly not going like this. You know, often it's completely like rooted. So it's really difficult that that stigma exists because these individuals are having to prove constantly, I'm in here, my words are mine.

1:07:45I authored them and that's really hard. But I will say that this is not a new thing. Sign language took over a hundred years to become accepted. Even in the 60s, 70s. Yeah, walk me through that. I didn't know that. I learned that through listening. Like 150 years sign language took to be accepted. What were the steps? Do you know? I mean, I think people were saying it wasn't a real language. There's no grammatical structure. The rallying cry was that anyone who is deaf should learn to read lips and try to speak. Basically fit into our world. We are not going to allow this language to take place.

1:08:19Same thing happened with Braille. Louis Braille, the inventor of Braille, kind of modified this language where you could use dots to communicate. and it was considered, it was outlawed. They weren't allowed to use it in school where he was going to school. When they finally did a big test to prove that like one person who was blind was gonna spell something and another person was gonna read it because the kids were using it like quietly, even though it was like outlawed in the school. And when they did that big test with viewers and people to watch, the first big claim was they're cheating. They practiced in advance to pretend what they were gonna write.

1:08:50It seemed outlandish that you could read dots with your finger and spell by poking holes into something. And so Braille went through the same dilemma. And so I think like this control of how we use language, who's allowed to use it, and if it's valid is not new. But it's really unfortunate because that is a human right to communicate, to say what you want for dinner. I mean, the most basic things. And if anyone out there is critiquing this without seeing a speller in action. I just think it's like a crime because you are trying to steal a voice from another living human being. It's really mean.

1:09:29Yeah. I mean, what do the skeptics think is going on in those homes? There's a lot around the tests around spelling, right? To prove it's like efficacy have really changed throughout the years. So at first it's like, okay, no touch. Okay. There's no touch. Now sit further apart. Okay. Sit further apart. That's working. Then it's like the parent shouldn't look at the board. Okay, well, we won't look at the board. Then it's like, then can the parent leave the room? Well, there's something fascinating, which is why I think it's really important that this whole telepathy bit is getting out there. Because I think a lot of people who work with spellers, and there are some spellers who are absolutely independent, like they're rocking and rolling, they're off to the races.

1:10:04And it's a journey. And it's a evolution. But there's certainly many spellers I've talked to who say like, I need a person nearby, a trusted communication partner. And I don't know if it's the physiology is grounding them. I don't know if it is that they're help. It's helpful to use their eyes. I have no idea what it is, but there's this beautiful kind of meshing that happens, especially in the earlier parts of the journey that are a bit inexplicable. And if you try to test it, it's going to be like, how do you explain that? And I don't know, but it takes two people to do sign language, you know, you can't do it alone.

1:10:37And so if this partner, and it doesn't always have to, often people have many partners, right? There might be some communication partners at school and at work and with a parent. But if that partner is needed to be somewhere in the space to ground you, why does it matter? I mean, why does it actually matter? If they're typing on their own with their finger, new thoughts, self-diagnosing, talking about things other people don't know about. I mean, it's clear they're in there and they're communicating their thoughts. Why it is that someone might need to be in the room to help them do it. That's a science question that I can't answer.

1:11:10I think it has to do with physiology. I think it has to do with energy. It might have to do with like using someone else's like frequency to help you just stabilize. I have no idea or integrate with your body. I don't know what it is. I don't think anyone knows, but people are asking the wrong questions because they're trying to test, test, test, test this and not looking at like, well, why is that link needed to make spelling work? But certainly the individuals are typing their own thoughts, often self-diagnosing their own care, spelling things that the spelling partner might not know about. It's fascinating.

1:11:43What's been your, if you had to pick a couple of favorite stories or experiences that have really stayed with you, or relationships you've built with some of the parents and families and non-speaking individuals that stand out to you that you shared on telepathy tapes? Every day is a bit of a, it's a beautiful thing. And I think about even now that we have a film team working, on this that they are starting to send their stories where like my producer just wrote the other day and she's like, I just met this mom. And then her daughter walked in the room and knew my name and where I lived and what my child's name was.

1:12:16And like, why hadn't said any of that? And how did she know that? And I was like, exactly. It's welcome. You know, welcome to the party. And it's, uh, it's, it's fun. And like, one of my favorite memories was once there was a mom that was trying to get ahold of me and I was busy on like phone calls and I wasn't able to answer. And I was a little concerned, like maybe it's an emergency. Fast forward, it's like lunch. I walk out of my home office into my kitchen and I'm making lunch and the phone rings. And I was like, oh, your timing is perfect. And she's like, I know, I know. I just, I just was told you walked out to get lunch and stuff like that, where it's like, oh my goodness, like, are they remote viewing me sometimes, you know, which is fine.

1:12:55So there's just, it's, it's like bits of magic every day. Yeah. I'm not claiming to have any telepathic abilities, but I have this habit of whenever I think of someone, I always messes them. even if I don't need anything or want anything. And 99 % of the time when I think of someone, I don't want anything or need something. So I'll just message them and say, hey, I'm thinking of you and sending love, I'm here for you. And 99 % of the time, someone will message me back and say, I was just thinking about you. Or I really need to try now, whatever it may be. Now, whatever that is, I always love the magic of being able to send that message, whether it is met with a positive response or not.

1:13:30And it's just a beautiful thing to try. And I think I just love that your work is making us more curious and opening us up to these ideas, because that to me is the part of us that's missing when it comes to spiritual innovation. You know, Mark Twain talked about, he called it mental telegraphy. And this was his observation that often you would write a letter to someone you hadn't thought about in five, seven years, you know, and then the day that you postmarked it, you'd receive a letter seven days later, whatever it was, postmarked the same day from that person on the other side of the globe.

1:14:01So it's like you both had like the physical male proof of when you sent the letter. And Mark Twain marveled in that as one should. And Upton Sinclair, who wrote The Jungle, I mean, you know, beautiful writer. And one of his books that he wrote after he had like gone through his life was called Mental Radio, where him and his wife did a bunch of telepathy tests together and they documented how accurate they were. and I love the opening to that book by Upton Sinclair because he's like, this would be the type of thing that should be dismissed or is held with such high skepticism. But what he said is, after I've experienced it, I know this to be true.

1:14:35And I loved his words. He wasn't like, I think this is true. It was, I know this is true. So this has all been around. Yeah. I was actually going to ask you about the connection between dreams and telepathy. Has there been any connection there? Have you come across anything between those two? Well, I mean, I think for people who are deeply interested in that, we have an episode on that, which is episode eight of the telepathy tapes, which I do encourage people to listen to in order. But there was one mom in England and I wanted to, we have a spelling episode all about spelling and that's episode eight where we go into the issues around spelling.

1:15:07But I thought one of the best non-speakers to highlight in that episode would be someone who never learned to spell. And him and his mom have a telepathic link together, but it's formed in their dreams where he brings her into a lucid dreaming state. The first time it ever happened. I love this story. He was younger. I think he was maybe like 11 or so came to her in a dream. And she thought she was dreaming. And then he gave her an ace of spades and did this whole thing, like look through the ace of spades. And she like woke up into a lucid dream. And then he started talking and telling her all this stuff and remember this in the morning.

1:15:41And they're going to tell you I need, you know, antibiotics, but I need probiotics and blah, blah, blah, blah. So she woke up in the morning and thought, oh I just had a dream and he was talking didn't think anything of it and then he went and saw her the next morning grabbed a ace of spades from a deck in another room and like showed up did what he did in the dream and that's when she realized oh my goodness he came to my in my dream and was talking there and that's how they have deep conversations and they actually started writing music together that way she didn't know he was a musician until he was started music therapy late in his life I mean in his 20s once she discovered that he started coming to her in dreams and being like this is a melody or these are the lyrics you need to write this down and now he's i mean he's pretty well respected musician in england wow and saw through dreams it's incredible and and one of the things that i came across listening that i wanted to know more about is john paul and lily and and that connection can you explain that to the audience who may not have heard it yet yeah i mean there's a non-speaker featured in the cellophagia tapes his name is john paul he's episode four he's episode four and he's ginormous i mean he's almost he's like almost seven feet tall.

1:16:42He's a huge individual. And he had a girlfriend named Lily. They would letterboard, but they'd often say when they were letterboarding, it was for like everyone's benefit around them, that most of their relationship was telepathic. And John Paul's mother used to say it was really funny because they would go on like dates at her house and like they'd be on different floors and she'd be like, are they even hanging out? Like, what is this? And then she would leave and John Paul would be like, that was so great. We had so many awesome conversations, you know, because a lot of it was happening mind to mind.

1:17:07And it was just a beautiful part of it. And the parents would kind of marvel at like sometimes in the exact second they'd each each would come down and say I want to go see you know John Paul I want to go see Lily we text and the text would come in from each other right at the same time and that's when the parents were like they're talking to each other from where they're what how is this happening it was telepathy so yeah I mean and that you know John Paul loved Lily so much and Lily loves John Paul I mean they really wanted to get married and I think it's such an important beautiful element of this and I think it's important for everyone to understand is like a non-speaking individual is still an individual with their high school interests and, you know, hobbies and desires and bands they like and clothes they like and things they want and relationships they want.

1:17:51I mean, I think the spiritual gifts is just a part of it. It's just a part of it. Like, I don't think it's healthy to look at these individuals as oracles or, you know, they're human beings that just are more tapped into this. Yeah. Right. Right. And I think that's a really important point that you made there. It's like, we all have different gifts and abilities. And it's just, I think if you start to think that this person is gifted beyond that, that can get quite messy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In any way for anyone. For sure. You know, I mean, Lily likes biking and go-karting and John Paul loved poetry and swimming and manatees.

1:18:28And like Mia from episode one wants to be a writer. She wants to go to Japan. Like the most important thing is to know any individual, what makes them tick, what their interests are, what they want to do with their lives. I mean, like these are the questions we all should be entitled to answer for ourselves and every non-speaking individual. And I just want people to like, remember this as an individual that should be met in that way. And this is these gifts, if they appear in such an individual is beautiful and cool, but it's not, it doesn't define them. Can you explain the hill? Well, this was something that didn't form for me as like a valid thing immediately.

1:19:01There was a few non-speakers in Atlanta that said that they connect on the hill telepathically and that it's a chat chat room, basically a telepathic chat room where you can tune in. And Houston was the name who named it. He actually named it the chat on the hill, the talk on the hill. And then his good friend, John Paul said that he goes there and he would put pillows on his head to block out stuff. And then his girlfriend, Lily said, she goes there. And that a lot of people congregate there and that there's more than one hill. So I had a hard time wrapping my head around that. And at first I'm like, okay, it's an Atlanta thing.

1:19:31Like the individuals in Atlanta are doing this where I really talk about a two by four. Like there's been a few moments. And for one, for me was when I had just met this new teacher in Chicago. She had no idea about telepathy at all. She had reached out to Dr. Powell because her students were talking about ghosts and seeing ghosts and knowing things. And it totally weirded her out. Not weird, like it was just weird. So she, she hopped on a call with me and Dr. Powell. She's explaining this. I did a follow-up call with her once she saw that the telepathy with his happening. And then she said, and you would not believe it.

1:20:01Like some of the kids are saying they go to this place called The Hill. and on the hill, they can learn this and learn that. And I thought, what? And then fully third person was this minister from like a mega church in Arizona. I met him. He was very nervous to talk about this. He was writing his own book. He thought this was only in his congregation that he, you know, again, it was a miracle that he alone was privy to. I met him and then he was telling me a story about how one of his students would just met with another non-speaker from another church in another state. And he's like, they were talking about the weirdest thing when they were getting through the phone.

1:20:32And they started spelling to each other, meet me at the Hill. And he's like, do you know what that is? And I think I was stunned because now here's someone in Minnesota talking about it, Arizona, Chicago, and Atlanta. So after I had to go through a lot of Hill references to believe it myself, and now there's no doubt in my mind. I can't wait to learn more about that. Yeah, it's cool. It's very frustrating, I think, for a lot of non-speakers because you want to do something and your body totally betrays you. You might want to enter a room and instead you're leaving it. and the only time it seems like they're able to really like gather and communicate their true thoughts is through spelling that mind body disconnect taught me a lot because for instance a keel who we feature in episode two he didn't know his body was and for a lot of people who need to be touched when they first learn spelling it's because they don't know where their body is a keel didn't know he had fingers he had to be massaged over and over i remember houston when he first was spelling he said he needed heavy boots so he knew where the ground was and so you can imagine if you don't feel connected to your body to the point where you don't even think you have one.

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1:23:32Toyota, let's go places. Yeah, that is completely, yeah, that makes so much more sense. When I was looking at studies on monks' brains, they found that when monks were doing the deepest meditations, if they put their hand on a hot plate, which most of us would touch and immediately take our hand back, that they were able to keep their hand on it because they're disconnected from the physical experience. So it didn't feel hot to them at all because they were so removed from their physical state. And those studies have been proven and shown. And just that idea of being so deep in meditation that you didn't feel, you know, heat.

1:24:14And I think people, you know, it's really interesting to think about Eastern traditions. There's a beautiful statement by C.S. Lewis that says, you don't have a soul, you are the soul and you have a body. And going to your consciousness point, that idea that because we live as if we are the body, Eastern traditions would argue that therefore we only know what the body knows. We only know our limits based on physicality. but for those of us that know we're not the body and that we're consciousness so much more is accessible yeah and that's where your point around belief system and value system and everything else come in that oh wait a minute i'm not i'm not actually just limited by this right absolutely and i think that like when we understand that and apraxia and the mind-body disconnect and that can help inform a lot of the confusion around spelling and you know because certainly if you don't know where your body is when you're learning it helps to touch and that's why when people throw facilitate communication out because you're being touched.

1:25:12It's like, no, if that's working for someone and they need pressure the whole time to know where their hand is, put pressure on their hand so they can smell. Awesome. Cool. Like let's assist people to get to their best selves and their whole, you know, but yeah, the mind body disconnect, the not knowing where your body is because non-speakers say that over and over and over and over again, that they're not living in their body. They don't feel their body. They don't have control over their body. And so, so then what is the reality? It's not the body reality. It's a different reality. And this is what we're all tuning into, this different reality that they're able to talk about as messengers because of a plight.

1:25:46Honestly, I think most of them feel very frustrated about the inability to control their body, but the gifts that come along with it. And John Paul, when he said, I think Libby once asked him, what do you love most about yourself? And he was like, everything. So I do think that experience of not being tethered to your body can be beautiful. It's just different from what we're seeing. We're seeing a body that's having a very difficult time managing in the world, but their experience is not bodily to the same degree. Yeah. I was speaking to one of my friends the other day and he was, he's very deep into AI.

1:26:19And he was explaining to me that if you looked at an extremely, extremely below average individual in terms of IQ, Einstein was only 2.4 more times intelligent than that person. And then if you look at AI, we can't even comprehend how intelligent AI is because AI is going to be, is already a hundred times more intelligent than that, a million times more intelligent, could be expansively 10 million times more intelligent than Einstein, which is bizarre to even experience. And imagine because how could someone be more intelligent and have a better IQ than Einstein? Yeah. And it's just really interesting when you look at it from that dimension that I think we're already with AI experiencing something quite remarkable.

1:27:02Yeah. And quite beyond. Yeah. Like it's quite phenomenal that we kind of take it as something that's to some degree becoming normalized. Right. when it's really not that normal that there are going to be, and just because we see it as computers and tech, but being able to understand us, being able to know our needs, being able to know what we want to hear. I've read so many articles with people now using AI as their therapist and everything else and feeling so understood. Yes. But that's the same kind of curiosity and openness we have to have over here of just being open to marvel at these incredible abilities.

1:27:37I don't know if that resonates or am I getting it wrong? I mean, no, I think it's fascinating. I mean, I think we can attach so much of our personal needs onto anything. You know what I mean? And AI is just, all of this is converging at the same time. And that's what's most interesting. It's like AI and what that's making us question about consciousness. I think even psychedelics and people's embrace of how that can help with mental health and explorations of consciousness and the trials they're doing where people feel like they are certain there's more, you know, and that's happening with this exposure of what the non-speakers are hoping to, I think, teach us alongside sudden interest and validation on UAP.

1:28:21Like, it seems like it's all converging at once. And we're just like in the water of it right now. Like, I don't even think we realize how significant this moment is for humans in consciousness. it's a cool time to be alive. Yeah. How do we make sure that it's not made quiet and put down? Because I imagine that that's, you know, a natural thing that's happened in the past as well. Yeah, that it's been, it's backed down and just. Yeah, because it's seen as scary. It's, or people are like, oh, this is bad or it's, you know, whatever. So how do we make sure that we keep asking these questions? I think social media has changed everything because I think the scaffolding of control was always very powerful before because it's like someone had the ability to silence you and no one would know that happened.

1:29:01Like you could be just quieted and not be able to get your truth out. They'd steal your camera and it was done, you know? But I feel like, or there'd just be a mass discrediting of someone. What's happening now with social media is you can get out a truth very quickly and find other people who agree and concur and thumb up it. And it's much more difficult to make someone seem bonkers, especially when there's a lot of people validating a truth. If scientists and others in the community are open to wanting to go and be with the non-speakers and be a part of this, how do we do, and how does the general public do it in a way that isn't disrespectful?

1:29:41Because I can imagine that testing and things can be exhausting for these individuals. They're humans. We're kind of, you know, this whole process is somewhat invasive of... Yeah, I mean, I get very nervous about that. And I feel like scientists and researchers, it's like, you have your questions, but like, just let's pause for a second. You know, and one of the things that we've been talking about and trying to start a foundation for and put like profits that come in from the film or anything or donations to this foundation that maybe could try to open up centers in different states or cities where non-speakers can go and learn to spell for free in an affordable way.

1:30:18and have physical therapy and parents can have respite care where they can bring their child here and they know they'll be well taken care of and the non-speakers can have their physical and mental and spiritual needs met. And then, only then, it's like, if there's an interest that one individual is like, I do want to study whales, then maybe like through these centers, a scientist who's a marine biologist could apply and they have to learn how to spell and they have to like really get vetted and be on the level of the non-speakers. And then there could be like a way where they pay the non-speaker or work with them.

1:30:48And so that way it's equitable and it's all centered on the non-speaker and really working to fit into their world instead of asking them to be a square peg fitting into like the round hole of our world. And so I think we just have to approach it differently. The thing that makes me sick is the idea of someone being like, I want to test non-speakers and do this and do that. Like that is gross. And I can't imagine, I don't think many families with, I mean, some very science-minded people might, But I know one of our individuals that is in our project, like really wants to learn plant medicine. How awesome.

1:31:20But like, let's find a scientist who deeply cares and just doesn't want to like ask questions and cut and run, like pay the individual, you know, bring them into the fold, help with their education, you know, so there's a way to do it ethically and we just have to get there first. How does that feel after three and a half years of work? I'm sure like finally sharing with the world and receiving those emails yourself. And what's that experience been like? I think the worst outcome for me, which would have been really awful, would have been like, if we were getting emails being like, this isn't true, this isn't true.

1:31:50But the opposite has happened, where it's so many parents who are like, I always thought this was, you know, my wife didn't believe me, or husband didn't believe me, or blank, blank, blank. And now like, we're having open conversations, and we're sending it to the nieces and nephews and uncles and aunts. And like, that's really cool. And it's just so beautiful. I mean, it's beautiful, because I think people are finding community. And my biggest concern always is for people to live like a transparent whole life, like don't compartmentalize, don't lie in secret, just be all of you. And I think for non-speaking individuals, they are able to now be all of themselves because so many more people are willing and able to see them and receive them.

1:32:29And that is beautiful. Like there's no, there's nothing that can compare to that. And how has it impacted your personal, spiritual and consciousness journey of understanding yourself on a deeper level? I mean, I believe all sorts of things I did in three and a half years ago. I certainly believe that consciousness survives. I actually think consciousness is not local. I don't believe our body creates it. I mean, I think we help and assist in that and our memories and all those things work together. But I think we are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else. I certainly believe in things like precognition and psi abilities and even mediumship ability stuff like that that I didn't that I dismissed before yeah I mean I'm forever changed you know and it's cool like I have young kids and it's cool watching how they're growing up with these things I mean they hear about it all the time they're it's hearing the zoom calls they're and and it's just part of their life like I saw my daughter playing barbies the other day and they were and this is actually a few years back when I was still working on it and they were up like, okay, your Barbies are doing this.

1:33:28And this is the identity of your Barbies. My, my daughter goes and my two Barbies are non-speakers. And then her friend is like, well, how are they going to talk? And she's like through telepathy. And I was just like, oh my gosh, that's great. You know, just watching it like being part and parcel of, you know, their world is cool. What's the wildest thought of yours they read when you didn't know? I mean, it was an embarrassing thought and I had no idea the extent and I'm not even going to say what it was, but we were sitting at a table and it was after a long day of shooting. Dr. Powell was there.

1:34:00We had another neuroscientist there. I think Katie was there. Houston was there. And I remember, I don't remember exactly what the thought was, but it was enough that it was like an embarrassing, silly thing. And all of a sudden, the second I thought it, Houston like laughed and like spit out his beer practically. And I'm like, oh my gosh, he heard my thought. And that was where I was like, wow. Okay. Like, cause when we were doing the telepathy test, it's one thing, but when you experience it over like a beer and you realize someone heard your thought and like laughed. That was when I'm like, okay, I got to like clean it out again, clear it out.

1:34:29Gosh. Kai, is there anything that I didn't ask you that you really wanted to share or something that's on your heart or mind that you didn't get to speak on that you would like to share? The final episode of the telepathy tapes, I gave the floor to non-speakers from all over the world. And I think the best lessons are there. And like one thing that I think about all the time is one of the non-speakers said that kindness is the best way to evolve. And so I just want people to think about that. And when people are very afraid about, you know, one thing you didn't ask about was like the fear about reading thoughts.

1:34:59And I had to think about that a lot over the past few years that why does that so scary to people? And I think it's scary because people don't maybe like the thoughts in their head or it's too, you know, they'd feel too exposed. But if we are capable of this and we're being called maybe to like get to a place where this is a communication we're all capable of, then we're first called to like clean our own thoughts a little bit. And that's easy to control how you think about people, how you think about yourself, how you think about the world around you, the choices you're making. And if you are conscious about those thoughts all the time and making them pure and loving, it's not scary if someone's reading them, you know.

1:35:33So I think that like, I love that, that kindness is the best way to evolve. Because some non-speakers are saying, hey, we are all capable of this. This is where we're going to go. We all have to do that hard work of like becoming more loving, kind individuals first. Do you think it's possible that we will become capable or have the opportunity to become capable to communicate that way? Many non-speakers I've met have said that we are capable of that. Again, I trust their insights more than I trust my own. I do think we're all capable of it. I've seen it turned on in teachers. I think it's all possible.

1:36:06And I think for those, it's scary to take a look inside. Let that be a mirror, you know? And it's a beautiful thing because one non-speaker, and then I know it will end, but like one non-speaker once said that, look, if you say the word Thanksgiving, you've said the word Thanksgiving, but if I telepathically send it, you're given the football game on and your uncle pulling up and sleeping in your childhood bed and the smells and like your favorite candy and seeing this person and the smell of your mom's hair and like all the whole thing. And it's an experience that is so immensely beautiful and there's no sarcasm and there's no withholding and there's no exaggerating.

1:36:42It's all just the pure. And to me, it's like, wow, what would happen if we were all living that way? So if we do get to a space where more of us are telepathically communicating, I think it's going to be good for humanity, not bad. If you knew what someone was thinking, how would you speak differently too? I think that's the other side. One side is being able to read and maybe someone cleaning their thoughts. But if I could see what you were thinking, how would I speak to you differently? How would I look at you differently? How would I connect with you differently? It would transform hopefully how we'd take care of each other as well.

1:37:16It does. Totally. And I've learned that just being around non-speakers, making sure like in my thoughts, it's like, okay, like they're being read. So just make sure they're, and then, so the whole day you're empty, actually. It's like you're meditating in a way like my keep my thoughts really empty and i actually find even like directing you it's with them it's easier to do that like you just empty out and you feel better at the end of the day you feel great at the end of the day you're living in the moment because most of our thoughts are what just happened or what's in the future and when you're just empty you're like wholly present and so that's the gift where i'm always like being with non-speakers aware that of my thoughts and just trying to have none that's beautiful it's a beautiful way to live Beautiful.

1:37:55Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. Kai, it has been so fascinating talking to you. Honestly, I think the work that you're doing is so inspiring. And truly, there's been very little that I think we've had to be curious about for a long time when it comes to this space. And I really feel like you've brought something to the fore that we can all be spiritually curious about. And the questions that you're asking are so intriguing to me, then questions that I believe we all should be looking for the answers. I think for a long time, we've thought about physical questions like how do we make the body stronger and how do we sleep better?

1:38:31And how do, and those are really important questions. I stand by that. We do that a lot on this show, but similarly, I think we're all asking questions of like, why do we exist and why am I here? And, you know, do I really understand the abilities that I have? And, and especially for those that have been seen as, like you said, that they're not in there to realize that there is a purpose, there is a value there is a gift there is of course there is already but inherently but there's so much more that we don't know and so uh i'm so grateful for your time and energy not just today but for the last three and a half years of you dedicating your life to this purpose and uh for sharing it with me so openly and graciously with me and my audience and i'm sure everyone if they're not already listening to the telepathy tapes which i'm sure they are we'll go back and listen or we'll listen for the first time and help pass it on.

1:39:20How else can people support or connect if they want to be a part of this work with you and encourage you or even want to write to you? How can they get in touch or how can they follow along? Yeah. I mean, we are on all the social media at the Telepathy Tapes. I would encourage people though. I mean, my biggest ask is please like just presume competence. If you see a non-speaker, if you meet a non-speaker, if you work with non-speakers, they are in there. They're human beings. Help them get on boards, learn to spell. And if you are interested in getting engaged with non-speakers, you could become a spelling to communicate partner by going to S2C or spelling to communicate or a spellers method.

1:40:00Like just go look into this because we need more spellers. I mean, that's the biggest ask is just that everyone starts assisting them and meeting them and presuming competence. That's everything to me. I hope we can stay in touch and I can ask you more questions. hear updates and continue this conversation offline as well. I feel like there's so many great spiritual conversations to be had and shared. And I can't wait to see where this works goes. So here as a supporter and cheerleader and look forward to learning lots more. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. Thank you so much. If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more, I need you to listen to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead to success and the secret to genuinely loving what you do.

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