Traveling with Children Part 1

27:05These are like - You could throw a kid from 100 stories. Yeah, they're like an Iron Man suit. And also I would recommend bringing something like a baby Bjorn, which is one of those kind of harnesses where you can put the baby on you. Cause then if the baby needs to get up and needs to be walked up and down an aisle or just shown around, a change of setting can really help. I've seen the babies taking a walk. You gotta be able to walk. And I'm not even gonna speak in this episode about my feelings about how small airplane bathrooms are for parents. It is unacceptable.

27:37Kiernan:Talk about, I don't think I've ever seen a design that is less parent friendly than trying to bring a five-year-old into an airplane bathroom. Yeah, those bathrooms are pretty small for a solo. I mean, they're so teeny tiny. Anyway, so that's for true babies. Now, once you graduate into the slightly older kids, the category of electronics is extremely important. And the first tip here is You just got to drop all screen time restrictions that you've ever implemented. As far as I'm concerned, you're traveling, you're on vacation, just like how we don't usually eat out every meal of our lives. But when you're on vacation, you're eating out all the time.

28:18Let your kids eat out on the electronics. Get them the iPad, get them your iPhone, and just open those floodgates. Because if it keeps the child quiet, docile, happy, it makes it a nice vacation for them. and for all of those around. Alternatively, you know, what about the great illustrated classics version of, you know, crime and punishment or something like that? You know, like open their minds.

28:42Kiernan:I mean, maybe for a six-year-old Kiernan Schmidt. Absolutely. I mean, I remember Oliver Twist very fondly on a long road trip. But for most kids, you're going to, a big reminder here, do not rely on any sort of internet. You've got a hard download. as many hours of video as that iPad can hold. And I would recommend a double download onto your personal iPhone so that you have a backup, whether you run out of battery, whether something goes wrong with the iPad, you drop it, the screen breaks. You have to have a backup and preferably a backup for a backup. You got two adults traveling, you should both be downloading.

29:24Kiernan:Daniel Tiger, Paw Patrol, Frozen, you know, pick a classic, Little Mermaid, any of these. You've got to have - blue absolutely blue blue is a great suggestion because you can load it up and it's so but well i might be talking myself out of bluey because bluey's episodes are short we're going for length length is very important for this video entertainment but don't the bluey's just my understanding is the bluey's kind of you can sort of just watch them like a like a mush you can that's true it does mush it does mush um and and and it's pretty addictive too so you're right You're right. I think Bluey counts.

30:00Now, you're also going to want to bring in an external battery and not just one. You need an external battery for every single individual iPad and iPhone. That is so many batteries. It's a lot of batteries. I understand that you're skeptical, but think of the disastrous results if the iPad stops in the middle of an episode or a movie. This is not something that is fit for your fellow passengers. I'm sorry. When I was nine and we were flying to the Grand Canyon, we played for four hours. I spy on my little eye. And it's not super exciting. So this is a perfect example. Two children playing I spy with my little eye allowed on an airplane or another place of transportation within earshot of adults.

30:48I mean, come on. After five minutes of that, I would be going crazy. I'd just be like, it's green. It's the one green thing over there. Okay, let's just put this to rest. Everybody put your earphones on and watch Mickey Mouse dance. do you know i didn't really know how much of a temper i had until i had children did you know i have a bad temper i've i've only seen you angry a couple times at work yeah i've been pretty angry at work from time to time and every once in a while at you that's pretty satisfying but i've i've learned to control it i catherine pointed out i i ball my fist really tight it's like my god i know it's a little scary anyway so you got the external batteries.

31:32Oh, and by the way, don't forget to charge those batteries before you get on. Just having them isn't enough. And many of the batteries, the substantial batteries, I'm going

31:41Kiernan:to link to one in the show notes that I like, which is made by a company called Anker, A-N-K-E-R. These can take several hours because they're substantial batteries because you're going to want like 40, 50 hours worth of battery on your body. Yes. It sounds like you want as many hours as batteries you can get. Now, this is where we get to the headphones, because of course, headphones are an extremely important part of these devices and taking in all this entertainment. And now, Ryan, that's why it was so interesting that you brought it up, because I mean, there's very little that's more annoying in the world than hearing video game sounds or a TV show where it's Like it's just distant enough that it's tinny and grating.

32:26When Catherine and I pulled out the separate fully charged earphones for both of our children,

32:33Kiernan:I kid you not, not one, but two flight attendants stopped at our row and said, thank you for bringing them headphones. I can't tell you how often parents don't do that. Oh. Because children can't have the regular earbuds in their ear, Ryan. They need something akin to what you have, these giant princess Leia's. So I have a great one that I recommend. Super battery life, incredibly reliable, easy to hook up on Bluetooth. They're from a company called Puro Sound, P-U-R-O. Again, I will link in the show notes. All of your fellow passengers will thank you. And they're made for kids? They are made for kids.

33:14Kiernan:They come in vibrant colors. My children have worn them for many, many hours with very few complaints. They've got a kind of extra padding, so they sit really comfortably on your head. And I've used them for many different periods of their growth, so it can grow with the child. Puro sound, big fan. Very cool. Not a sponsor, folks. Not yet. Not yet, but this is how we get there. Now, the night before, extremely important. and I already mentioned it with the batteries, but you got to start at 100 % charge on every single item. iPads, iPhones, headphones. If you're bringing a video game system, Nintendo Switch or other video games, the external batteries themselves.

33:55Kiernan:And yes, listen, I'm not saying they got to be on the iPad every single second. I would recommend charge up a book light or two and have it available. And we're going to talk about this. Two is very ambitious. Two is very ambitious. Well, I'm talking about for two children. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, nobody's book lights are running out of batteries mid-flight because they're reading too much. You know, again, six-year-old Kiernan was a very impressive young lad. So personally, I pack all those fully charged devices and batteries and wires. I put them all in a separate bag in my carry-on so that I have every piece of kind of entertainment power and charge in one place.

34:35Kiernan:Found that to be very useful on my Alaska flight. That's a key organizing tip I want you to take home. Now, toys. You've already heard I don't like loud toys. I would recommend that you really need to bring new toys. Yes, favorite toys from home might add some comfort, but the truth is you should be bringing things that are going to be new and exciting and are going to maintain that level of excitement, that interest for a substantial period of time. Whereas you bring their favorite little Lego from home, they've seen it a hundred times. They've played with it at home. Also, Lego is a disastrous choice because that thing falls apart.

35:12Kiernan:You lose one little piece and it falls under a passenger seat. You're never getting that little piece back. So you got to choose new, exciting toys. One master tip, I would say, is when your kids, when you go to a birthday party and they get a loot bag and it has all those super annoying, like stupid toys in there that all cost, you know, 50 cents, secret those away. The kid will forget by the next day. Put them away in a closet, put them away in a travel-specific place. And then when you're on the plane, you unveil, look, brand new rubber finger puppets. I'm telling you, you'd be shocked by what a great reaction that gets.

35:49Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Novelty.

35:52Kiernan:The other thing is, and you know this as a marketing professional, not a bad idea to plan far in advance what these new exciting toys are going to be. Maybe an action figure that you picked up and then you start making sure you kind of leave out a little brochure about it a week or two in advance of the trip or you talk it up or you see another kid wow that looks like a cool toy do action figures have brochures yeah around christmas time you still get the the toys or us brochure i guess like do you i don't no i don't know i like i like the idea that charlie's getting direct mail like boy toy mail i'm just saying try to build the excitement play it up get no that's Clever.

36:33Get them hyped up so that with the big reveal on the plane, then you're going to get the most bang for your buck. Show them on YouTube and be like, God, look at how happy kids are with this toy. Too bad you don't have one. And then surprise them on the plane with it. Well, and by the way, the other thing that's nice about that is it puts you more in control of the size of the toy. Because I would recommend more smaller toys than fewer large toys.

37:00Kiernan:Obviously, it's annoying to travel with anything large. But something like an action figure, I think, is perfect for a plain surprise toy because you could pack five of those and it's great. It doesn't take up much room at all. That's terrific. Now, I will say a pro tip for anyone with multiple children have to have equal amount of surprise toys or books for each child. If there is a one book, one toy difference, you're dead. You are just begging for trouble. So equal number. So you can't show your obvious favorites at that point. You've just got to play it cool.

38:00but long, browsable books. You don't want to bring 50 books and each book you can read in 20 minutes because you're going to, first of all, it's way too heavy to bring. Books are very heavy. And children's books don't translate as well to the Kindle format. So I, like, for example, with our children, I bought a big old Busytown book because those books are huge and they're endless things to look at and discuss and tons of different stories and characters.

38:29Kiernan:That was Penelope's. Charlie had a Star Wars encyclopedia. I love a children's encyclopedia. Talk about endless things to discuss, to point out, to, you know, you put it down, you revisit it in between videos. Wait, so who are they discussing it with? Me. Are they talking to you? I mean, I do talk to the children. I know most of this has been about sequestering them. But, you know, I'm good with taking a break. But don't talk with them, like, early on in the flight or they get the idea they're going to talk to you the whole time. Okay. And excellent. point. An excellent point. So you're starting to get in the groove here.

39:03And God, I can see, we may need to do a part two on this. All we've gotten to is the initial lack of travel. Okay. Activities.

39:14Kiernan:So if your child is like mine, now Charlie could watch videos endlessly. So we could put him on a 10 hour flight. He'd watch it top to bottom. Penny, three and a half, it loses attention to videos after an hour or two. So what you have to do is you have to create a period of time where they're actually doing some sort of activity before you reset back into the videos. So for me, that's sticker books, mazes, word searches. Again, these are kind of quieter games. This isn't a vocal eye spy sort of game like you're saying, but it gets their brain working, they can get some marker on their finger.

39:54And it's almost like a little art and craft.

39:59Love that. And, you know, just like I recommended lifting all restrictions on screen time during travel, I also recommend this with snacks. Now, don't go too overboard because you don't want them to get like get sick or get a stomach ache. That would be disastrous. But I think that for all the sugar stuff that you restrict at home, let it up. They don't have to be eating apples on the plane. Personally, I used cereals and Teddy Grahams. Teddy Grahams were a huge hit on the Alaska trip because again, you can kind of divvy them out. It's not like you're handing them a candy bar. Couple Teddy Grahams here, give it a little rest period, couple Teddy Grahams there.

40:41It's all about drawing out. It's about extending that time to meltdown. Every move you make needs to be about adding. The TTM.

40:48Kiernan:Exactly. TTM. You're getting it. And by the way, TTM, I hope, is going to become the new three Ps of the podcast. Totally. Okay. My third tip is if you followed every direction that I just gave you on the initial trip, do not make the mistake. Do not make the mistake. Do not make the mistake, Ryan, of thinking that you can stick to that same TTM plan for the return trip from your destination. You can't introduce those new toys that you already introduced on the way over on the way back because now it's a week later, it's two weeks later. Those things are old news. So that means when you're back at your house initially, you've got to pack surprises, books, toys, snacks for the return trip that are different and recreate that whole experience I just took you through.

41:43Or can't you do some fun shopping while you're there? Can you see a book? Very, very good.

41:50Kiernan:Honestly, who's leading the episode now? Me or you? I mean, excellent. Yes. Make a point of bringing them to a bookstore, making a point of bringing them to a toy store. Do it later in the trip so that these can merge into the actual travel, transportation ride so that they're not tired of it by the time that you actually are introducing it. And also do use your editorial judgment. A lot of kids think a toy or a book is fun in the instance in the store, but you got to guide them to things that meet the other criteria that I set out for toys and books. Love it. Now, and again, I'm sorry so much of this is about the actual travel process itself, but this is one of the hardest parts with kids.

42:37Kiernan:You should have a break class in case of emergency kit. This means if the kid spits up, the kid poops, the kid pees, trips and starts to bleed because they skinned their knee. You need to have basic first aid, band-aids. You need to have a total change of clothes. It can be a smock. It can be pajamas, anything that's going to keep them calm, but you must have it. You have to be prepared for those horrible situations that all parents know happen with a lot of frequency. So when I said backups to the backups, I'm going to a third. You need backups of the backups of the backups. And this is where go for the junkiest food on earth.

43:18Kiernan:If you know your kid is nuts for peanut butter cups, okay, you don't need to have that in your first snack bag. Put it in your break glass in case of emergency because all parents know that there is a certain something that your kid is so addicted to that's so bad for them that you deny them all the time that if they're in the middle of a tantrum and you whip out a Reese's peanut butter cup, it's all going to calm down. Yes. Really? Yes. Yes. Every, every kid has something like that. And so put that in your, I wonder what mine was. I'm going to ask my mom what my, her great glass emergency snack.

43:53I mean, knowing you is probably a cigarette, right?

43:59a glass of red wine always calm me down you know now a fifth tip that i have and again i think parents who uh take that attitude that like we should all be thanking them they're not going to like this but personally i apologize to people all the time i do it vocally by saying i i'm so sorry

44:19Kiernan:i don't care if my kid just like taps you with his elbow i'm so sorry it's showing that you understand that you are bringing a time bomb onto the transportation or onto the tour or into the hotel. And you have to be working at all times to build sympathy with people. And if you are lucky enough to have a cute kid, and I have two cute kids, if you're lucky enough to have a cute kid, you actually do get a lot of goodwill built in. There's no question that people are kinder about an adorable child. And so what you can do if you feel that you're approaching the time to meltdown, or if you just know you've overextended and a meltdown is coming, what you should do is you should aim the child at people who look like they're more likely to be sympathetic to you.

45:07Kiernan:Now, I know personally, I get constant good dad looks when I'm holding Penelope because she's got of these big blue eyes. And especially if I own her, if I aim her at more like grandmotherly sort of folks, I know that if things start to go awry, that person's going to be an ally in that battle situation. Gotcha. I see the strategy here. I like it. I like it. Ryan, we often reference that I, for a trip, I'm a real box checker. I like to have a lot of sites that I want to see. I'm not a go with the flow sort of travel person, but when it comes to traveling with kids, I think that you just have to be.

45:51Kiernan:So that should guide your choice of destination. I do think, listen, I'm not saying you can't go to museums. I'm not saying that you can't go to a theater, but I do think that you have to be realistic about what your kid can do and what they can't. So for example, if you want to go to a Broadway musical, you can't bring a two-year-old in there with you. So maybe you and your partner or somebody you're visiting, people that you know in the town, if it's really important for you to do that thing, then you have to arrange for childcare in that time. So I know when we went to Alaska - And some hotels or don't some hotels help you with childcare or is that like a red flag situation?

46:27That's not, in my experience, there's not a ton of hotels that have like a childcare scenario. However, I will say that's one of the upsides of going on something like a cruise ship. Or like resorts do, too.

46:39Kiernan:But for all of the red flags I'm raising about children, to be honest, Catherine and I didn't even use the childcare on the cruise ship. We wanted the kids with us. You know why? Because we followed these rules and it really made for a great and pleasant trip. So I'm hoping, here's where I'm trying to turn from the negative to the positive. I'm trying to help you frame a trip that you're going to enjoy your time with the kids. And so I would say one, two things a day that you think you can hit, but don't overextend yourself. If I'm traveling alone, I can do six, seven, 10 sites a day, but with a kid, that's just not gonna happen.

47:17Kiernan:So pick only the most important and know what you're willing to put on ice, if they need to take a nap, if they need to change, if they eat really slowly at a restaurant. Sometimes that happens. You bring them out to a restaurant, you think it's gonna be 45 minutes. They're eating for two hours, like one piece of toast. It's insane, but you just have to keep that flexibility in your schedule. You know how long it would take to eat the full per joel menu if you ate that slowly? Seven hours, nine hours, who knows? That's why they put the box on the reservation list. Are you over 16? So you can have a few boxes to check, but don't try to overpack your schedule.

47:56Kiernan:I think it's really unrealistic. Now, for actual destinations, I have to say, I don't think anything in my life has ever made me a bigger advocate for Airbnb than having children. Airbnbs, it is such a gift to people in our age because it gives you room and flexibility and a kitchen and the ability to have separate bedrooms that are connected. If you ever tried to book a hotel with two adjacent rooms that actually have a door between them, that's not like a very common format anymore. Yeah, I noticed that that gets called out on Hotels.com a lot. I'm like, who cares about that? And that makes sense.

48:33Well, this is why Airbnbs, VRBO, I'm all about it. we we've stayed at tens of airbnbs with the kids and you know we get places where they can each

48:42Kiernan:have their own bedroom sometimes there's even like a separate bathroom we try to get places with bathtubs so that they don't have to take a shower because they don't like taking showers all these things that you never think about when you're traveling without children oh no i mean it doesn't like taking showers no kid you didn't take a shower when you were three years old ryan probably not when i was three but i i showered at some point when you're three you perceive it as little watery knives coming down in your skin. They freak out. They freak out. When you're 43, it's like the highlight of your day.

49:12Oh my God. Are you kidding? I yearn for showers. When I was in college, I used to take two showers a day. It was heaven. You're so clean. People don't know that about you. He's very clean. I think people know that about me.

49:23Kiernan:The other thing that's nice about this Airbnb and really about the sharing economy in general is I have found that it's much easier today to actually get baby equipment so that you don't have to haul it all over the place. Because if you're bringing a car seat and a stroller and a substantial stuffed animal and a baby monitor, I mean, you have so much luggage that it's just like, how are you going to get anywhere? There's a website called babyquip.com, B-A-B-Y-Q-U-I-P. It's like baby equipment. And this is basically a sharing service where people can say, I've got an extra pack and play. I've got an extra stroller.

50:10Kiernan:And if you pay a small daily amount, you can have it for your trip here. So I would recommend that above lugging all that stuff around. And that's like a sharing economy app? That's wild. That's a good idea. It's a great idea. It's just another marketplace. And frankly, I know when you have kids, they grow so fast that you end up with all this very little used equipment that that has many years of life beyond it, that you might as well put on this service because it's helpful to families that are traveling. And, you know, it's not wasteful. And I've also noticed that Airbnb, you can select things like that, too, right?

50:45Like crib and all this stuff. So someone else is more prepared.

50:49Kiernan:And unlike the childcare point you made, if you're staying in a hotel or if you're staying on a cruise ship, that actually, very often they will have pack and plays that you can request to be in your room beforehand. I did that with the Royal Caribbean boat about a week before we went. And sure enough, in our room was a pack and play. That saved probably a 10 pound piece of luggage that I would have had to check and track all the way through the journey. I have no idea what a pack and play is, so I'm just going to request it next time I'm in a hotel and see what happens. It's like a little jail for children.

51:22Kiernan:It's like one of those cribs that sits on the floor. Oh, I'll have to be checking in. They're like, any pack and plays there? Is there a child with you? I'm like, oh, no. There was something I didn't mention to pack, but I know it, at least in my children's routine, is very important, which is a sound machine. Each of them, it helps to soothe them when they're in a new environment. I mean, kids are very routine oriented. Putting on a sound machine, especially if you've acclimated that for them at home, it helps if you're staying at a place that has street noise. You know, we've all stayed at hotel rooms where, oh God, you're near the elevator, you can hear a ding, or you're in an Airbnb, you're on a busy road, or there's a fire station right across the street.

52:00Kiernan:A noise machine can help alleviate all of that stress. And personally, I have found myself jerry-rigging a lot of curtains to try to make them black Because if you're traveling in the middle of the summer, especially if you're somewhere quite far north, and the sun's going to start shining in at 4 a.m., you're not above using painter's tape to put a ripped apart garbage bag over a window to get that kid to sleep. Because sleep always leads to a better day of traveling. Wow, man, this seems like so much work. It's a lot of work. All right. I can barely get myself on that plane. I'm going to wrap it up with one final tip here.

52:43Kiernan:And again, I do think that there's probably a second episode in this. And I would love, you know what, here's a call. How about this? If you have traveled with children, maybe you really support something I've said, or maybe you've tried something different that I haven't thought of. Write it in outofofficepod at gmail.com. Throw, you know, traveling with kids up in the subject line just so I make sure I can see it. and we'll come back and share them on a future episode. That'll be exciting. Yeah, fantastic. So here's my final one. If you have kids, I highly recommend consider picking a destination.

53:22Maybe it's a place that's a two-hour drive away. Maybe it's a place that's close to relatives that you visit a couple of times a year. Or maybe it's a flight away, but it's a place that you and your partner or your family enjoy. And make it kind of a regular destination. Go there once a year, twice a year if you're able to. And what I have found with my kids is that they start to anticipate and look forward

53:45Kiernan:to like the example I'm thinking of is when we visit two hours south of where I live in Boston to New Haven, we always stay in the same Airbnb that it's kind of near the Yale campus. It's perfectly set up for us. It's got like just everything is just as it should be. We stay there when we go for holidays to visit the family. every summer we go for like a couple days at the connecticut shore we stay there and the kids know like their favorite bakery they know one night we're going to get pizza they know the bookshop that we're going to go to so kind of all the stuff that i've talked about they start to look up and now they're saying to me hey when can we go to new haven when can we go to new haven it's such a nice feeling to have a travel destination that your kids are excited for you're not trying to convince them.

54:31No, Alaska is going to be fun. You'll see. Yeah, no, and to get them excited about New Haven is a real... New Haven's a great city. All right, Ryan, well, this will be longer episodes, but as you can tell, I've put a lot of thought into it and I can't wait to get more hot tips from the listenership, but I think it's time for the last stop. Last stop. Segregation in the day, integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious Black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping on another world. Inside Charlie's place, Black and white people danced together.

55:12But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the KKK? Yeah. They were dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch, and Visit Myrtle Beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's Place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

55:53ladies and gentlemen this is the last stop on this train everyone please leave the train

56:00Kiernan:well ryan we're here in the last segment of the show it's the final segment so that's why we call it the final stop i mean the last stop and that's because uh this is where you and i come together it's it's it's it's your favorite segment it's my favorite segment it's popularly known as the people segment. And the reason is that because the people, all of us come here together to share, it's sort of a communal space because you and I, we leave our worries at the door, Buster Brown, and we bring something that we share, and it could be anything. It could be a story, could be a tale. I guess that's similar to a story, maybe a little longer, could be a yarn.

56:37It could be a piece of equipment review. It could be a tip or an article, could be an experience you've had, but must check one box. It must inspire the spirit of wanderlust within us, even during the work day week. So Ryan, I'm going to ask you as I ask you every episode, do you have a last stop this week? I do, Kiernan. I have been waiting for this new book by Greg Grandin to come out. And he's a Pulitzer Prize winning historian. And he has this new book called America, America, which is a one volume history of both the Americas. Is it America twice? It's America. America, you know. Oh, America, America.

57:19Great. Si, yes. So it's a history of the new world. It's sort of holistic view of, you know, in his mind, you know, we sort of evolved off each other as cultures and how we played together over the, you know, 500 years that the book's going to cover. So I'm super excited to read it. And hopefully it talks about Boulevard. It talks about the Mexican Revolution and Mexican independence. It talks about the U.S. It talks about what the U.S., early U.S. founders sort of thought about our Southern friends. And so it's going to be really entertaining and fun to read. And I'm excited to be lugging this around for the next month or so, Kiernan.

58:06And a link is in the show notes to America America. Did you bring a last stop this week? I did, of course, Ryan. We both went for books this week.

58:17Kiernan:And guess what? My last stop is even going to take a turn. And it's going to bring us right into what's on the next episode. It's artful. It's artful. I don't know if that's the last stop or if that's just what's in the next episode. It's both. It's both because I'm so excited that I'm making it into the next episode. So there's a book out. And interestingly, you're all going to be real jealous about this one. This is a book that's not available in America yet. You know, some of us have travel connections for being a travel influencer. There's a book called Fiesta. Now, you, Ryan, being a master.

58:52Kiernan:Very good. And Fiesta is by a gentleman named Daniel Stables. And what it is, he traveled the world to experience all different types of festivals and carnivals, parties, if you will. And he's got this great curious mind. He's got a good feel for history and sort of the culture that he's bringing himself into. He kind of goes for the full cultural analysis of why this festival fits with these particular people in this particular place and just really nice writing. He's got good structure that I like, you know, as as somebody who likes frameworks, he kind of classifies festivals into 11 different types.

59:37Kiernan:And, you know, I don't want to blow it because the beautiful thing is we're going to have an interview with Daniel Stables on the next episode. And so, listen, what are international borders? If you're really desperate to find this book, you're going to be able to find a way. I will talk to him about how to get Fiesta in your hand. You can get it on Amazon. You can order on Amazon Europe. I've done that many times to get a little. But you're going to have to have it shipped. You're going to have to pay it. Yeah, it's going to cost you a little bit or get it on your Kindle maybe. I don't know. There's got to be a way.

1:00:08Again, I almost saved this

1:00:11Kiernan:for its January publication date in the US. But to be honest, I like this book so much. I want to talk to Daniel so much that we just can't wait. So next episode, Daniel Stables teaching us how to party, Ryan. All right. Well, until then, I'm Ryan Davis. And I'm Kiernan Schmidt. And this is Out of Office, a travel podcast. This he taken? You think we're going to take over for Colbert? There will be no taking over for Colbert. RIP.