Your First Trip To Madrid

0:28Hi, I'm Ryan Davis. of the you sound a little i'm on the other side i'm on the good side but i'm still on the slope well i hope you're wearing a mask while we record this because i mean i'm in a room alone so i'm not wearing a mask uh but i am wearing a mask around loved ones that's good that's good i am in uh oh i am in a we work here in very chilly barcelona um what's very chilly by barcelona stands i think 53 degrees Fahrenheit. All right. That sounds nice. Yeah. That's kind of you're in my favorite sort of temperature. I think I like 65. That's really why I want to live. You're getting more acclimated to the warm weather.

1:13The old Ryan I knew, 50s was perfect. Now you're a 60s man. Soon you're going to be wearing Hawaiian shirts and just laying on the beach. I had to buy a winter jacket for the first time in three years. I don't have a winter jacket anymore. And so, yeah, now I'm experiencing the cold for the first time in a while. That's really weird for someone who lived in New York for so long to live without a winter jacket for three years. I know. I know. I felt weird. But now I have a winter jacket. You haven't been traveling back to the Northeast or your mom at all during any cold weather in the last three years?

1:51I've pretty much skipped the cold weather. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so, but I'm experiencing it now. And then, of course, I'm going to be back in Maryland in February. So, you know, it'll be chilly then. It won't be like the height of winter, though. No, absolutely. And I mean, you know, I'm like a cold weather man. I'm sort of the opposite, where I wish that I could travel the year-round following the cold. Yeah, it was interesting because typically, you know, Chase and I go to like a warm place for the holiday. and this year we we did not we were we were like in chile you know seville sevilla and oh you like how i said it i said it yeah no you really brought it it's beautiful seville for folks who don't know um and malaga and you know marbella and they were very chilly these are like um you know destinations where people go in the summer and there's there's you know there's like a beach atmosphere, but not in the winter.

2:54I remember one of the, you know, sometimes there's like, I don't know if you have this, but when you read like a book or you listen to a podcast about a particular place and it just hooks in your mind of like, this is a place I absolutely must visit. For me, you know, 15 years ago, that was Myanmar and Burma when it was first opening up. And Catherine and I, I like read an article and it just hooked in my mind. And I was just like, we absolutely have to go there. And we did. And there is another one. There was a New York Times article that stuck in my mind about the beauty of visiting the Scandinavian countries in winter, when most tourists wouldn't dare to go into that cold.

3:34And I remember it specifically focused on Lapland. And Lapland looms large in my head every winter as a place that I must go. You need a very serious winter coat for that. Yeah, I don't think I got that serious. Mine's still kind of like an urban winter coat. You know, it's not. Yeah, sure. Cool. Sort of form fitting. Yeah, it's nice. It's nice. It's yeah. Now, so you're in Barcelona, but I assume you've just come from Madrid, given what I see the title of the episode is here today. I was in Madrid prior to the sort of train travel all around, you know, the yeah, the Sevilla area. And now I'm in Barcelona and then I'll be making my way back to Madrid actually to see the, they're putting on a 30th anniversary production of the musical rent.

4:26And when I saw that, I was like, oh gosh, I can't miss that. So in Spanish, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. In Spanish. You love, you love going to movies and theater and other languages that you don't speak. I don't go to the movies and other languages. But if I don't know, you always, You're always posting posters of heading into the movie theater. Yeah, yeah. But they show the movie in English. It just has subtitles. Oh, OK. I always assumed it was overdubbed. You think I'm sitting through like a dubbed one battle after another? Yes, that is what I thought. Yes, yes. That's what I thought. That is not what's happening.

5:04I have seen one dubbed movie in Ecuador. But in Bogota, it's classy. They do the subtitles. No, but it'll be fun to see Rant. I've seen it in Spanish before in Mexico City production, but this is a totally different production and that'll be interesting. Ryan, Madrid holds a very special place in my heart because when I was first, I had my first job at CNN and I was determined to visit Europe. And my friends and I said we are going to go to a non-English speaking country. And we went to Madrid. We did Madrid, Barcelona, Montpellier, France and Paris. And that was one that was my first big foray into the European continent.

5:54I, you know, I have been, I went to Madrid for the first time in 2018. I was looking that up. So I've been here a couple times. I've been to Madrid a couple times. And then today, when I was preparing for the episode, I realized I have some pretty big gaps in my Madrid travel. That is a great advertisement for the fact. No, but you said you're going back, right? So can you hit these bigger places when you go back? I might have time to hit one of them. I mean, there's only two major things I think I'm missing, but I know that you've done. Oh, you mean maybe the two biggest, most major things that there are to visit?

6:34Ryan, this is a trend. I'm going to suggest to you here in the pod, this new year pod, the first pod of 2026, maybe you need a resolution to do the big things when you visit a new place. I, you know, and I've done, I've done that. I've done that mostly in Madrid. I mean, Madrid is a huge city. Like, you know, by the way, you should mention which sites you're talking about that you haven't managed to get to. Well, we will, we'll get to it when we get through the, you know, we'll talk about them. Okay. So this is a teaser, an exciting teaser about what places you won't hear Ryan talk about. And I mean, this is the man who went to Romania, stayed there for what, I think it was six to eight months and did not manage to visit the inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula.

7:23The one thing that everybody goes to Romania for. I think Romania is a really exciting place and we have to do an episode. I think we did a Bucharest episode actually, but - I'm quite sure we did. People don't realize how quickly we forget what episodes we've done. Yeah, I mean, folks, we have done a lot of episodes. So we sometimes forget. In fact, we were talking about Madrid. We thought we had done a Madrid episode, but we've only done like a partial Barcelona episode. Not even a full Barcelona episode. Insane. Well, we'll have to get that one on once you go out on all your adventures. But, you know, the other thing, Ryan, before we jump into Barcelona is that the because it's the beginning of the year, we are just overwhelmed with great travel content coming out left and right.

8:11Right now, we got the 52 places list just came out in The New York Times. We're in negotiations to get that interview. We love having somebody come on from The New York Times to take us through the list. And I know you and I, we both did pretty well on this year's list. I think you've been to did you say 10 or 11 places on the list? 11 places on the list. In fact, I'm having dinner tonight at a place recommended on the list. That's how I am. Wow, that is fantastic. I think I hit 10 at nine or 10. I think I might be stretching one. I think there's a neighborhood in a city I have been to, but I haven't been to the neighborhood.

8:46Can't really count that. I don't know how much you're stretching. I'm not stretching that much. There's a couple I was. But I thought you would beat me because there was all these sort of random like parks and stuff. I'm like, that's Kiernan world. Yeah, yeah. No, it's pretty good. And also, we're going to hit a new one together this year, which is we're hoping to go to North Dakota together for the opening of the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library, which opens in July, on July 4th, of course, fittingly. And that made the list this year. So it would be super fun to deep dive into that. And I thought it might be fun.

9:20The other thing that came out, you know, everybody's doing these trend pieces, which I don't know. Do you like trend pieces? uh you know i think there's some good trend pieces the one we're going to talk about now i think is is is basically all a reach but but i'm curious what you think yeah i condé nas traveler i'm actually on the cusp of canceling my subscription to condé nas traveler it's like mostly ads for high-end hotels that like unless they want us unless they want to sponsor us uh which of course are you kidding in a moment i'd be the the biggest supporter but do you do you ever look at condé ass traveler it comes up when i'm doing research but yeah i mean it's it's typically hotels that it makes me sad that i can't afford exactly like most of their stuff is like the white lotus and up uh sort of hotels that uh we're not we're not tending to frequent uh that much i've stated a few of course and you know their travel content's good but a lot of it's online um and so they put out one of these like uh you know think trend pieces which i i do feel that they're a stretch But I also like the topics themselves, even if I don't think they have a specific 2026 hook.

10:28So the first one is that they predict that grocery store travel is big in 2026, which is to say that visiting, you know, traveling to a foreign place and visiting a grocery store, a place where people pick up food like a corner store, is going to be a hot new trend for in the know tourists. So this does beg the question, I mean, I'll say, sure, like I've always enjoyed going into grocery stores and checking out the brands and packaging and food that you can't get in the US. And yeah, this has always been sort of a standard part of travel that I enjoyed. Now, do you make a point of going to foreign grocery stores?

11:10If I'm in a place for long enough, but if it's like a short, a short trip, no, I don't really go into a grocery store, but do you count like markets? Like, you know, I was in the market this morning where people are doing their shopping. Um, obviously it's like a big sort of traditional market. It doesn't say markets, right? 2026 is the year of grocery store travel. So I think you're going to have to start getting that into your, I will say it's very fun. I particularly like when international brands have like variations and flavors that you can only get in a certain place. Like Japan is famous for having like a hundred different Kit Kats that you can't get anywhere else.

11:48In Mexico gets a good Coke. Mexico gets the good Coke. And in England, they get wild potato chip flavors. They get like shrimp potato chips and you know, every, every place has its own market research to bring out what people are willing to buy. And I'm sure we, you know, what's very blood, blood, blood, sausage, blood, sausage, flavored, you gotta get blood, sausage, potato chips. And I, I know one thing that has changed in England since I lived there to today is that peanut butter has become much more available. That used to be something that you'd have to go to like a specialty shop to get.

12:24It's funny. I walked by a specialty shop yesterday here in Barcelona called a taste of America and it's a American grocery store. And it's all like like Fruit Loops and Hershey bars. I mean, it's really great. And is everything just in the shape of guns? Like licorice guns, chocolate guns. There's only, you know, no. But it's only because it's... All right, here's the next trend from Conde Nast Travel. 2026 is going to be the year of what they call period drama jet setting. I'm just going to read this one directly. Bonnets and bustles at the ready. In 2026, set jetting is going full period drama with the UK's countryside likely to become the next fan pilgrimage site thanks to a crop of literary adaptations by female directors.

13:11So the idea here is that people are going to be seeking out the places where novels are set and maybe even dressing up in period dress, you know, going to a tea or renting a room, going to a restaurant to be able to experience that time period that's portrayed in Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, cosplay definitely has grown over the past few years, but this is pretty niche. I feel like for a trend, it's got to be a little bigger than this. Yeah, I think, you know, the Jane Austen fans, they're going to do what they're going to do. But, you know, I don't think this is a major trend.

13:54And although, you know, I was just touring this incredible palace in Sevilla and, you know, it's half Amorish and half Spanish architecture. And it's incredible. And it's thousands of years old. And at the end of the tour, the guide was like, oh, and they filmed Game of Thrones here. And everyone was like, what? Like that was that was the thing that impressed my tour group. Here's the final trend. And this one I'm on board with. This one I like a lot. They call it Viking Wellness. I'm giving the writers and editors credit. I like the hooks on all these. Viking Wellness. And the idea is that Nordic traditions of spa culture are becoming more popular, are spreading, and people are traveling in order to get these kind of high-end spa treatments that they're calling Viking treatments.

14:52And, you know, I agree with this. I do think that this is something that's been growing lately and people traveling for, you know, retreats and like wellness definitely is growing. And I will say, while I'm very creeped out by massages and things, I don't like people's hands on me. But in Iceland, Catherine and I stayed at a great hotel that had an outdoor, small, heated pool. And the whole idea was that you like take a cold shower, you get into the heated pool and then you get back out. And then the frozen air of Iceland in, I think it was November that we visited hits you. And that was a really interesting experience.

15:42And it almost like made me woozy with the temperature extremes that it brought onto. And I think that's part of the, that, that, that's supposed to be part of the recovery process. These sort of like cold plunges and then super hot and mixing it all up. And I really liked it. It is a very memorable experience. So Viking wellness I'm on board with. I, I, yeah, I love this idea. I love a good spa. And I would gladly do a, a Viking cold plunge any, any day. So this one I'm on board with. I don't know if I have any Viking travel in my near future, but, you know, open to it. Those Nordic countries, they can be pretty expensive.

16:22You know, those socialist democracies can be expensive places to go, which is why I think you and I haven't spent too much time in them yet. Well, I do think Greenland is going to become much cheaper to visit. and uh well i mean between this recording and when we put it out next week god knows what will have happened to greenland um so uh ryan with that uh i you know maybe we should come up with some some hot trends do you have any hot trends for 2026 just off the dome i think people are going back to hotels and they're they're tired of airbnb and there's a hot yeah there's a lot of hostility towards Airbnb in more and more cities.

17:02And I think that, uh, that folks are like, you know, tired of it. Um, and I think I gotta say as a parent of small children, hard for me to think about how to travel without, uh, Airbnb, like the, the, the ability to have, uh, children that you can put away and then have your evening in, in a proper home, as opposed to like trying to find a hotel that has adjoining rooms. Very hard for me to imagine going back. Yeah, no, I think for families, for sure. But that to me is just something that I'm noticing. That's sort of what I think is a trend. What about you? What do you think a good trend is? So I'm going to take this idea that Condé Nast had about this sort of cosplay, the period drama jet setting.

17:51Where I do think it's going is I do believe more and more people are inspired to travel to places based on popular culture. They're going for the classics, Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights. We know things like White Lotus have created a huge surge in tourism on whatever destination they spotlight. With the glut of content that is happening on Netflix, on Amazon Prime, whatever the big trending show is, putting focus on those places to go and play act as if you are in that particular drama. I do think there's something to that. I just wouldn't put it in the period drama category. So, you know, I mean, I just watched the end of Stranger Things.

18:38I'm thinking of going to Hawkins. Oh, gosh. Are you a Strangers thing? guy by the way no no no i'm not i'm not i gotta say man i've i've rarely seen a worse finale i everyone was unhappy with it apparently people are so happy it was it was brutal it was brutal well anyway ryan i one place that isn't brutal that i know we both enjoy is madrid spain so i think it's probably time to take off tell the cabin crew flight attendants prepare for takeoff place. All right, Ryan. I'm, you know, it's been a little while since we've had one of these Ryan led, uh, uh, trips. So I I'm looking forward to sitting back, letting you be my Rick Steves.

19:22Oh, well, uh, yes. So Madrid, you, you, you had said that, uh, Madrid is one of the early cities in Europe that you visited. You know, I visited for the first time, uh, in 2018 and have been a few times since then. Madrid's like a huge city. It's got a 7 million metro population. It's a thousand years old, which actually makes it sort of a young city for Europe. Barcelona is 2 ,000 years old. But it does obviously have that old world European charm, super safe, super walkable. And we're going to talk a lot about sort of the most walkable part of the city where tourists are going to spend, I'd say, like 90 % of their time.

20:08And that's in the city center in the old town. When you went to Madrid, that was probably where you hung out the most? Yes. So again, because this was me just learning how to travel, which we believe is a real skill, I did what I always recommend, which is I stuck with Rick Steves. And that was just like the Sherpa I needed because we weren't doing like an organized tour of any sort. And I just didn't know what it was like to be a tourist and, you know, such an old place with so many things to see. I mean, you visited for quite a long time, right? Even though I know you were working and things.

20:48But how long were you in Madrid in total? I mean, the various times that I've been there, I've probably spent like four or five weeks there. So, I mean, you've had time then to like get more out into the culture. I was there for a few days, very much the tourist visit. Yeah. And so I needed to hit the big stuff. And so I stuck right to Rick's recommendations, did each of his walking tours. And yeah, I saw most of the tourist stuff. And I would love to go back and get kind of underneath. I'm actually piecing together what I think would be a very fun kind of Portugal, Spain trip. And Madrid would definitely be on that.

21:24Yeah. I mean, and, and, um, you know, there's so much, so many restaurants and, and, and cafes and wine bars. I mean, it's, it's incredible. I think we're, we're going to focus on like the idea that maybe folks have a few days, um, to visit, uh, and sort of want to highlight some of the biggest things, um, you know, but there is, you know, in researching this and looking back at what I've done over the years, there, there are so many little museums and things to do that I think, you know, Majord will probably get another episode, uh, at some point. um but the main sort of uh museum section is in the in the old in the old center city and it's called the golden triangle of art and um catchy it's very catchy it is the golden triangle of art it's a very walkable area between the three major museums the the prado which is obviously like the most famous one that probably the most famous museum in spain it's absolutely epic we'll talk a little more about that um the museo um reina sofia uh this is sort of the the more contemporary modern um museum that's your kind of place i didn't hit there yeah that's i that's my favorite of all these museums and then um the this one more than the prado are you insane yeah i might be insane um but i do i do like all i mean i love all that picasso and the miro and uh um and then the third museum the most recent um of the the major museums in in madrid is the uh tyson uh bonanazi museum i really got that wrong um i mean this this one is hard i i why don't you give it a spelling the t-h-y-s-s-e-n-b-o-r-n-e-s-e-m-i-s-z-a museum oh boy guys it's not even just pronouncing spanish it's spelling i mean ryan is degrading in front of our yeah yeah but in this this this museum is the smallest of the three um but it's in that world of museums that you and i really like where somebody had some rich person had an incredible art collection and then just sort of left turned it into a museum oh yeah you know that's that's what happened here so those are the the three main museums the Prado is where you're going to get your old European masters your your Goya Rubens um uh uh you know this is where all the all the old stuff that you kind of expect to see in a big traditional museum um is going to be a lot of a A lot of religious paintings, a lot of Catholicism, a lot of, you know, picture paintings of kings and queens of yesteryear.

24:15I remember the Prado was the first place that I had ever seen Hieronymus Bosch. And that was really that really left a strong impression. I ended up really loving Bosch's crazy artworks and, you know, just packed paintings with so many details. You could just keep looking in every little corner. yeah i the that's absolutely there's there's so much in the prado museum that i think this was this is one that i kind of like dedicated like its own its own day to i probably yeah totally i i would say you need at least half a day i mean it's like it is the equivalent of of visiting the met in new york you can't be comprehensive in it so you know do your research beforehand so that you either go in just to take in the ambiance and you're going to wander and find what you find but if you want to see the greatest hits, you should go in with a game plan.

25:07Yeah, absolutely. And the greatest hits is still going to take you probably like two hours. But if you want to like really see the museum, that's going to take you, you know, four hours. It's got so much in it. The building itself is astonishing and they don't let you take pictures of it. So, you know, it isn't like one of those museums where you're just completely overwhelmed by people like everywhere taking photos and it feels like people are like more engaging with the art and all the old Spanish masters and European masters. It's a very cool museum. If you do one museum in Madrid, I think it has to be the Prado.

25:51The next one, you know, my, you know, my favorite, I guess, ultimately is Museo Reino Sofia. this is like in an old hospital what you can't feel at all because it's been so incredibly remodeled it's huge they've obviously added like a lot to it but this is where you go to see sort of the more contemporary Spanish art you know Picasso Dali Miro I was going to ask contemporary are you saying modern art but no it's more like 20th century art yeah i mean they definitely have like people that we don't really haven't heard of uh you know more more like uh you know folks currently working but you know if if you're into the the kind of the the most famous of the of the more you know late 19th century 20th century that that that is uh where you go and and you know it's it's there's so much i've been traveling around now spain for like the last month and i've i've been to you know uh picasso's uh multiple picasso museums multiple dolly museums and you know these folks really loom large in in in i mean picasso i think i've come to really respect picasso um were you not you didn't respect picasso before well i know i did i did respect him before i just didn't like uh i hadn't kind of put him in context historical context and uh i didn't realize how much how you know dolly was like a bad guy you know dolly is like you know he he had he was deeply problematic i think picasso was also probably pretty problematic but but dolly like you know he hung out with franco and he was just sort of a character in a negative way i think um i'm like come i'm gonna come out like a dolly truther I want to do an episode on Dali at some point, so I'll save that.

27:48But also in the Museo Reino Sofia, there's a very famous painting that Picasso did about the Spanish Civil War. And obviously he had fled, he was in exile, and Dali stayed and supported Franco and all that. So it's a really interesting, you know, the history of all these guys. And now they're all kind of like, it's just incredible. Like, and I've been, I kind of went down a little wormhole in the last month or so. But you'll see a lot of their work in, we'll say, Arena. And for both of these museums, you get your tickets in advance. Because the Prado definitely books out days, maybe even days in advance.

28:33And the Arena, the most popular times, book fast. and then for the the third museum the the the the the the the museum uh museum this is uh the most memorable thing for me from this and again this is a lot of like other sort of you know old older stuff a lot of like you know classic impressionist uh stuff there's a mix there's even some american stuff in there but what i most remember is that they had a a really a cool temporary exhibit on proust and it got me really reading wanting to read proust i haven't read proust yet have you read any proust gosh i mean in college i definitely read a little bit but i not not enough to speak authoritatively at all yeah i mean he it was interesting to me that they had this exhibit because obviously he's he's french um and and not from madrid but it was it was super cool um and the space is is amazing and this one i would say is is the one that you visit last if you have if you have the time of the big three um but i i feel like if you're if there are so many other things to see in madrid that unless unless you're really into um you know getting another sort of uh big overview of of art history after the prado that's one that you don't necessarily sort of have to go to okay cool um now also when you're walking around this area there are a real, there's a really, really big park called the El Retro Park.

30:03And this has, you know, it's, it's gorgeous. It is sort of right around, you know, these museums. So you can sort of pop in and, and walk around. And like any major park, there's a lot of, you know, little things to do and things to see, but it's, it's quite beautiful. And if you're in the center of the city and you're not sort of going um you know outside of that this is sort of the main the main park that you'll see and it has a couple different entrances but the one that i recommend especially if you're a picture taker um is the one uh by the porta de acala uh a l c a l a and this is a huge i think you got that one right right i think it's probably acala it's got that accent yeah it's got it's this huge uh arch you know um that uh is a great entrance into the park and it's really beautiful and a lot of folks will you know get their picture taken there so i i recommend that entrance but that this is something that park is something you can do sort of in the day that you're you're having your art day uh with the big museums and any idea why why is it called oh you said it was called the retro park it looks like it's called the el raterio rotario el raterio which is so bad because i should know i there's a mall and by my apartment in bogota called el raterio and uh so i should i should know the name of this place sounds like you're getting ready to raterio right there oh if only um if only oh hola so those are the big three museums um that that uh folks can visit obviously there there are so many others one of the other huge things that people visit and i haven't gone i realized that i haven't been on i was like trying to i'm like have i been to this i know i've walked by it but have i been inside and i haven't the the royal palace um in madrid and they do tours and this is definitely um if i have time to do anything on my little return trip back to to madrid um this trip, I'm going to, I'm definitely going to, to visit the palace because it looks extraordinary.

32:14And, you know, I do like a, I do like a nice palace. And then I do have a question for you in, uh, so, so you've correctly identified that. I think Madrid, it does have more of a feel of like a working real person city than like a Barcelona, which feels like more of a touristy city. Would you feel, you say that's fair. That was my impression. My impression of Madrid the first time I went was that it was like DC. Um, yeah, Yeah, I totally, I totally get that. And, you know, it's like a little grittier than, than like a purely touristy city. And my question is, given the Royal Palace, did you, you know, when you go to London, you like, you're surrounded by like, you know, royals.

32:59I've never, I've never been to Buckingham. I've never been to Buckingham Palace. I mean, you know, it's fine. You see, you got to go when you, you know, like, it's, it's a great, go see the changing guards. It's good, like kind of free show and it's interesting and whatever. I've seen the outside of it, but I've never done like a interior tour of it, you know. But, you know, I've always had the sense that like what's really protecting the king and queen, the monarchy in England is its tourist appeal, which is people come for that. But obviously they're the most famous royals in the world. Do you feel having now like lived for a while in Spain, is there the same sense of like the royalty being part of people's lives in the same way that it is in England?

33:44Well, the current king, like this dude, like Felipe, who's been king now. Does he like to be referred to as a dude? You know, I'm not one of his subjects. So, but he's considered pretty cool and he's very handsome. He dresses incredibly well. And so I think he's sort of, I sort of know of him just because he's somebody that you see on like the tabloids in Mexico and Columbia too. Like, so I think outside of the English speaking, like in the Spanish speaking world, I think these folks probably have more like more name wreck than, you know, that was, That was precisely my question. Thank you. And interesting to hear, too, that sort of tabloid culture, which, again, is like a kind of a big famous British thing that the tabloids just rip the monarchy apart constantly.

34:37Yeah, I mean, that's the fun. That's the fun of the monarchy. So that is – those are the major things. A couple other things I want to talk about. You know, I love the musical theater. I've been to every time I've gone to Madrid, I've seen a show and it's it's got a really big theater scene in a way that sort of surprises you. All these beautiful old theaters and they and they do a wide range of musicals. I was just I just saw a production of Les Mis on Spanish and it was fantastic. It was in this Art Deco theater that was wonderful. um the ticket i got like a fourth row center seat it was like it was like 75 dollars you know like a seat that would have cost 700 probably in new york uh so i've seen a great production of the book of mormon there um a great production of cabaret like an immersive production um was the book of mormon completely in spanish on spanish yeah it was a blast that sounds great yeah and And it really, you know, that's interesting.

35:46I would, I'd be interested how that translates given, you know, is Mormonism, does that have enough name recognition abroad for people to even get those jokes? You know, Mormons are out here knocking on doors, you know, they're doing their missions. They're doing their work here. Yeah. Yeah. So, so if, if folks are into theater, if you're into ballet, if you're into opera, anything like that, it's a, it's a great city for the performing arts. And, you know, it's really easy to find what's playing and, you know, go see a musical or a concert at some beautiful old theater. I think that's a great way to spend an evening.