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25:47He was on the radar for sure. I love that guy. I'll die for that guy. Always was my guy. I feel like every other job has been – Declan Doyle went to Baltimore. Yeah. So the Bears lost Declan Doyle. This is – I mean, it was going to – like he was either going to come back for one year or, you know, leave this year. But it doesn't really matter because Ben Johnson calls the plays. It's kind of like the Sean McVay setup where the best thing that can happen is your coach is good enough that basically the job of OC is just a launching pad for being a head coach. Yep. And that's kind of what happened to Declan Doyle.

26:23I mean, he was no name and then is now the offensive coordinator calling plays for the Ravens. And it sounds like Kingsbury might be going to New York. Ooh. He's the guy that Harbaugh is looking on bringing in there for the Giants. You've got to be so happy that you wrapped up David Blau first. So happy. Because all this chaos. I wouldn't say wrapped him up. I won the Blau sweepstakes. That's true. The Blauer ball. That's true. That's true. Max, you're pumped about it. It's Kate's cousin, right? Sean Mannion? Yep. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Is that right? No. No. Same last name.

26:59That was a niche. Not many people are going to even know what we're talking about. I know the way they were just a matter of. I don't even think people know Kate's last name. Yeah, no. That would have been cool. Yeah, it would have been awesome. Okay, other national sports podcast topics. Paul George did drugs. Yeah, allegedly. Max Mental health is real Mental health is real What did he do What did he get I don't know No one knows I don't know I'm pretty sure you're allowed to smoke weed So it's not weed He was working on his mental health And he took a prescription Or any I don't know I don't know if he said prescription or substance That he shouldn't have taken Okay Okay So he was like He wanted to get mushrooms Huh Like what I don't think they test for mushrooms do they I don't know I don't understand I don't think there's I think the drug tests in the NBA, I think they're pretty lax about recreational.

27:55I got to be honest. I didn't know that the NBA tested for drugs. I just. Well, there's performance enhancing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. But this doesn't seem like performance enhancing drugs. It seems like something else. Recreational. Got it. I don't know. That's maybe I'm wrong. But from what I gathered from his statement, it did not feel that way. $11 million is what it costs him. That sucks. That sucks. My concern is, like, is he going to podcast while he's on suspension? He doesn't podcast anymore anyway. Yeah, but he should get back into it. If he did one podcast, like a tell-all, that would do numbers.

28:33Yeah. There also was the quote that resurfaced from last year when Paul George was asked if there was any wisdom to pass on to Embiid to help during his process of getting back to himself, and he said, drugs help. Mm-hmm. those are separate things. He might have been talking about medical drugs. He could have been talking about anything. Yep. Yeah. Antibiotics. And he might have actually said hugs. We don't know. He could have said hugs help. He'll be back for the playoffs. He'll be back for the playoffs? He'll be back 10 games before the end of the regular season. Playoff PCP. So enough time to get himself going and make a playoff push.

29:11What other stories? I mean, we had, I don't, we're a joke podcast. We don't get into serious topics, but it feels like a lot of NFL owners were emailing with Jeffrey Epstein. It does. That was kind of crazy. Memes, you want to go first? Yeah. Was it all of? All the reporters go silent when the Jets owner pops up in the emails. What do you mean? They write about all the dysfunction, and then all of a sudden, he's in some emails. No reports. But where did we hear this news? We heard it on the news, right? But a lot of it was Tish. Yeah, Tish was the headliner of the emails. Tish was a bad one. Tish was bad.

29:54Pretty incriminating when he's like, is this girl going to be a pro or a civilian? When you're referring to non-sex working women as being civilians. Very, very bad. You've gone pretty far down that hole. We had Josh Harris, who we already knew was, we already had heard that. Yeah, so. We had emailed with him. And he's more of a Sixers owner than a man or something. Yeah, in this kind of, Most of the headlines I saw was Philadelphia 76ers owner Josh Harris. I thought you already fought this battle. You're doing the Josh Harris battle. Yeah. He's got it. I'll do it. So Philadelphia 76ers owner Josh Harris.

30:29I've actually looked into this because I'm not a stranger to having an owner that I hate. I'm not afraid to be like, hey, fuck this guy. I'm anti everything about the Washington Commanders owner. I've been down that road. I fought that battle. I'll do it again. So I did actually look into it, and it kind of confirmed what I'd already read, which was he was the founder of the Apollo financing group with Leon Black. Leon Black is deep into the Epstein universe. Josh Harris actually got Leon Black fired, kicked out because of his relationship with Epstein. Got it. told him to move on and then leon black was like trying to get josh harris to meet with epstein to hire him and josh harris was like fuck no absolutely not i'm not hiring jeffrey epstein because that was after his first conviction back in like 2007 got it 2006 uh so i feel i feel good about philadelphia 76ers owner josh harris's position in all this because it does seem like he did the right thing i think i am also open to changing my stance as the story develops so we're gonna wait for all the facts we're gonna let we tell the facts and then bob craft was also in a couple emails a lot of powerful people in those emails did you am i breaking the news to you right now i kind of what exactly did he say i don't know no no robert craft wasn't i didn't see his name was in the email because when robert craft got arrested after he got jacked off at that massage parlor after the AFC Championship game, or right before the AFC Championship game, his name was in the news because it was like, wow, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft got jacked off in a massage parlor.

32:05And then Jeffrey Epstein was talking to people behind the scenes about how to strategize his legal defense for getting jacked off in a massage parlor, which Robert Kraft did. So he wasn't, yeah. So he's basically not even, it's just his name. Yeah. His only crime was getting jacked off in a massage parlor. Yeah. Right. Who amongst us? Right. The Tish one, though. I don't know how he stays owner. Tish got to go. Tish got to go. Okay, so yeah, but it was whenever it was Thursday or Friday, and then it was just like, oh, yeah, here's another NFL owner. Here's another NFL owner. It's quite something.

32:41It's not good. No, no. The whole story is not good. I think we could say we disavow. We disavow. Also, I'm starting to think this Jeffrey Epstein guy was a bad guy. Got kicked off Xbox. Yeah, that's right. Zach, any thoughts on that? You can't have guys like that on the servers. He's got to go. Right. Right. That guy's got to go. Massive credit to Jerry Jones for not being in these files. Yeah. That was a surprise. Yeah, there was a couple. Yeah, surprises. Good for him. Oh, shit. Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder, not in the files. Not there. Yet. Yes. Yeah. Okay, what other national sports podcast topics do we have?

33:19We had a good Saturday of college hoops. Did you see Rick Barnes said that he was like, I wonder sometimes if my players are betting against us with some of their passes. That was kind of weird. That is very strange for him to say. I'm going to pull up the exact quote because I don't want to misquote it. Sometimes I wonder if my guys are betting on games. Yeah. That's never a good quote. Yeah, not good. No. Credits to Kentucky. Great game. Yes. Against Arkansas. Yes. It was game of the year. Kentucky beat them outright. They were six and a half point underdogs. Revenge. Revenge for that. Also, one more tie to competitive sports, professional sports, and the Epstein thing.

33:53He was allegedly supplying Adderall to bridge tournaments. Oh, yeah. Yeah, how about that? Bill Gates was hitting him up, jonesing, being like, hey, I got a massive bridge tournament. I need that Adderall. Bill Gates did not have a good weekend. Not a good weekend. Not a good weekend for old Billy Gates. Bad week. How did Brooks end up doing? I saw he shot one off the cart path. That was cool. He made the cut. I think he finished around 55th or 60th. Okay. Listen, Brooks, if you look back, if you're a student of history, as we are, his first win on the tour, Hank, you know this, at the Waste Management Open right before Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl.

34:32Wow. Okay. So next week. This is his week. Yeah, this upcoming week. Is it his Thursday, Waste Management? Yeah, this Thursday. It's Brooks and Hank week. Believe in Brooks. How are you feeling with Hank week? I'm excited. I mean, this is Super Bowl week is always fun. It's always one of my favorite weeks of the year. It is our 10th, actually 11th Super Bowl that we've been to. This is a 10-year anniversary. 10 years ago, we were in San Francisco. Yeah, but we didn't have a show. No, but we collectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. I see what you're saying. It is the most fun week of the year, but it's so different when your team's in it.

35:06I just want to fast forward to Sunday. It's fun being around the guys, being in San Francisco, doing all this stuff. You want us out of here. But I'm ready. I'm so ready for Sunday. I'm on the narratives, the nonsense, the blah, blah, blah. The nonsense is really what gets me. The nonsense, the blah, blah, blah? Yeah, people are making up Photoshop. They're trying to create false narratives. Jets fans are making up rumors that are not football related about Drake. It's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. It's rubbish. What are you referring to? It's fake. This is all fake. So I feel I shouldn't even be pushing.

35:42I shouldn't even mention it on this podcast. There's Photoshopped that were made that make Drake May look like a bit not good, but it's Photoshopped. Oh. Thanks for not bringing it up on the podcast. Me, did you do that? I mean, we talked about fake news before with the Vikings and Rossini. I mean, we could talk about fake news here. It seems like he really shoehorned in that dig at Rossini. That was out of nowhere. He's just been thinking about it the whole time. Is his shoulder okay? Shoulders great. Are you going to go doctor mode on us? No. Why not? Because his shoulder's fine. He was at the send-off rally today.

36:15He had his arm raised, thumbs up. Looked very comfortable. Looked so comfortable. I just want to see Dr. Hank. You know I'm not a doctor. I know, but that's the whole point. You said they're fake doctors on Twitter. I want you to change your Twitter profile to you in a lab coat and then just start firing at people and be like, hey, his shoulder's fine. It is fine. I know, but I want to hear it from Dr. Hank. I don't, okay. I could do that, but his shoulder's fine. Do you think he's going to play on Sunday? I do. Okay. That's someone asking who might have put a bet on Josh Jobs. Josh Jobs, great value.

36:50Listen, I'm rooting for the Patriots, okay? Whoever that is, and I saw value on one of our guys. What's more Patriot way than taking a chance on a backup quarterback, Hank, and having him win a Super Bowl? I'm down. I just want to win the game. Yeah. I'm down. Same. Yeah. Just let's just win the game. Next man up. But Drake Mays playing. And he's going to light it up. Do you think Dave will invite me to the game as a Pats fan? I don't. I don't think so. He did say, he did text me the other day. And he was like, I've been watching your takes from afar. Very ominous. Very ominous take. Well, Gaz has probably been sending it.

37:25That's what that means, yeah. It's like Gaz sends the lowlights. But he doesn't send all the times I've been right about the Patriots. Such as? Many times. You should have just replied and been like, you're welcome for the third and sixth keeper. Yeah. Listen, I'm trying to help us win. I've never put a bet. This is four times the amount of my most expensive bet that I've ever made in my life. And it's on the Patriots. The old saying is, put your money where your mouth is. You can see where my money's at right now. It's public. Go, Pats, go. Are you going to bet the Patriots as well, Hank? I have a future.

37:58I have an 80 to 1 future. Oh, shit. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. 300 to win like 25K. Wow. That's crazy. I'm financially, I'm already. No hedge? I got a lot. Hell no. All right. I like that. You got to ask. People always ask. No, we talked about it the other day. I could have already hedged. I could have hedged multiple ways. I'm not hedging. You know who the real winner this week is? Josh McCown. You know Josh McCown was like the quarterback teacher for both these guys? Oh. He was like their guru for both Drake May and Sam Darnold. Josh McCown, very good backup quarterback. Well, and starting quarterback.

38:34And starting quarterback, yeah. And great hair. And awesome guy. Great dude. Really, really good dude. Okay, before we do who's back of the week, actually, PFT, you want to do Twisted T here? Sure, yeah. I love Twisted T. I'd love to do Twisted T anytime. It's always a good time for Twisted T. You know that. What's your ideal big game with Twisted T look like to you? I think I gotta start with a half and half and then Peach second, original third. And then probably back to half and half for the fourth quarter. Put your fours up. Mm-hmm. Twisted tea is a refreshing hard ice tea. It's made with real brewed tea, 5 % alcohol.

39:10Twisted tea is the ultimate drink to pair with the biggest game of the football season. Whether you're hanging out at a friend's house, catching a game at the stadium or at the bar, or day drinking with friends, twisted tea is there to turn your big game day up a notch and make a good time a great time. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Okay, who's back of the week? Hank. My who's back of the week is Alktraz. Yeah. Yeah. The Rock. The Rock were in San Francisco and Carlos Alcaraz. Oh, that was actually my Who's Back of the Week. It was Djokovic's incredible comeback against Sinner. That was incredible.

39:46And then I don't know what happened. Have they finished the tournament yet? They have Alcatraz. No, I don't think they have. It's Alcatraz week. What about those that say Alcatraz, he hams up his injuries and he gets time to recover during matches that no other player would get? I'd like to say that. Yeah, what about guys like that? Yeah. What about guys like me? I mean, Joker, just the fact that he made it to the final proves he's... Well, that's Patriots mentality. It doesn't matter if you win or lose. Like, oh, it's a great accomplishment to make the championship. Not always. Did you watch?

40:21No. I didn't get to nap. We'll get to the end, but I was running on zero hours. By the way, can I clean something up here? Hank is absolutely allowed to nap. Yeah. You can nap if you want. Nap right now. No one's preventing you from asking you to nap. We were literally saying, please nap. So stop saying that we weren't allowing you to nap. No, it's not you. It's Coach Ray Wohl. You said PFT runs a tight ship. He did say that, and I do run a tight ship. Nothing good comes from Hank. Don't do it.

40:52I randomly woke up at 2.30 in the morning last night during the first set. I think it was just like my body is so in tune with Djokovic. I went immediately right back to bed, but I did wake up. I looked at my phone, saw he had won the first set, said, job done. Job finished. We got this. And then when I woke up, job was not finished. He got smoked. Also, we might be taking a field trip to Alcatraz. I'm not sure, but the... It doesn't seem like it's that far away from land. Yeah, but the tides, dude, for the currents. Yeah, you can't swim. It's really cold water and shark-infested. Lots of sharks.

41:36You want to try to swim it? It doesn't seem... It didn't seem that crazy. It's pretty crazy, I think. People have swam it before. Like, if you're a trained swimmer, you can do it. Yeah, they do it with, like, wetsuits and shit. Yeah, and usually with, like, a boat next to you. But if you're a prisoner and then you try to leave, the sharks smell that. I think the current will take you like, there's that many sharks in the bay? Yeah. Tons of sharks. And the current will take you like past the Golden Gate Bridge. You'll just be gone. Out to sea. What if you just pick the right time? Then you make it free and clear.

42:08Yeah. That's what Sean Connery did. Mm-hmm. The rock. The rock. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen. You should just get in that water. We'll knock. Get in the water. I'll take a dip. I don't care. Okay, with the sharks? I have a take. Are there really sharks in the fucking bay? Yes. San Jose sharks. I'm wearing literally the name of the hockey team. See this shark right here? See this orange tie-dye shark? That's what they look like. Everyone's got kayaks in McCovey Cove. Great counterpoint. Yeah, that's a cove. All right, I'm looking up right now. How many sharks Alcatraz? Well, San Francisco Bay is home to over a dozen shark species, including the common five-foot leopard shark.

42:48There's no specific static number of sharks surrounding Alcatraz. Great white shark sightings are rare but documented without five individuals recorded entering the bay over a two-year period. So at least five great white sharks. Yeah, but guess what? It's the ones that you don't see. Yeah. Those are the ones you got to be afraid of. Shark-infested... Ah, shit. The shark-infested reputation is largely a myth. Shit! Cold water, strong currents, and fatigue are far greater risk to swimmers than sharks. Yeah, but that's a normal person. Imagine the adrenaline you would have if you escaped Alcatraz.

43:21That could carry you through to the other side. Also, just ride the current. Pick your spots. Sevengill soup fin spiny dogfish. You could just punch those in the nose. You think so? I'd punch a shark in the nose. Listen, on Hank Week, I trust Hank. Just ride the current. Yeah, the Bay's lower saline makes it less hospitable for the large open ocean sharks. So there's really no sharks. Yeah. But that current, dude. Dude, you want me to do how bad is current? I mean, I've been into current. We all know what currents are like. This one's gnarly, though, right? You just go kind of in the in-between time, and you're good.

43:56It's not that bad. Oh, I Googled the wrong thing. Never mind. Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes you Google the wrong thing during the show. Yeah, that's true. Max, look up City Swing real quick. I have a take about the bridge. Some of the strongest and most challenging in the world. Yeah. Often described as a river that can sweep swimmers miles off course. Water in the bay features fast-changing tides, temperatures from 50 to 60 degrees, and high, choppy three-foot waves that can cause severe undertow. Undertow's a problem. I feel like, again... Look at this, dude. Look at that. Look at the currents.

44:33They're going crazy. Yeah, but if you escape Alcatraz, you just have to end up on land eventually. Death by current might be worse than death by sharp bite. Also, yeah, true. Wasn't Alcatraz not even that? How long was it Alcatraz? It was like 50, 60 years. Was it in operation? I don't know. I don't think it was. It's not like. I think it's kind of. They shut it down. It's too expensive to keep shipping people out. Guards have to go back to land, back and forth. Supplies have to be boated in. All right. The longest serving prisoner of Alcatraz was Alvin Creepy Karpis, a notorious depressionary gangster who spent 26 years on the island so at least 26 years but that's also you got to remember it's like 100 years ago people didn't even know how to swim that that's true like they didn't do swimming lessons but the evolution or what do you call it evolution global warming the tides might not have been as bad back then yeah that's a good point i gotta i gotta get up i gotta get my alcatraz facts going we should go we should we should figure out some more alcatraz facts someone tell us i got some alcatraz facts Landed bio Alright yeah so it was only a prison From it was only a prison for 29 years 1934 to 1963 So it kind of feels like Alcatraz might be I think it's because Al Capone was there Like it's mythologized a little It also has got a great name Alcatraz is a fantastic name for a prison And the fact that it's like the most visible island From the Golden Gate Bridge That would have been kind of electric Driving over the bridge and just being like There's the prison down there you're like that's such a great tool for scaring kids yeah every time you see that you're like if you're bad we're gonna send you there right that's where you'll go and we'll never see you again oh unless you swim back unless you swim back just ride the current what does ride the current mean what do you mean it's like you're in a lazy river yeah it's kind of like riding the current oh so it sounds like it'd be super refreshing to escape from Alcatraz yeah you just go up on your back ride the current Undertow is a problem.

46:37Undertow is a big time problem. I will say that. So I have some fun facts on Alcatraz because we did an episode on Macrodosing on them 12 months ago. There was no death row on Alcatraz. They made it seem like a badass place, but actually nobody was on death row there. Al Capone learned how to play the banjo, and he played in the inmate band. That's awesome. That's pretty cool. At Alcatraz. They never filled it to capacity. Nobody ever escaped. More exclusive that way. Smart. Yeah. They never had any escapees, but there was one person that tried to escape that they never recovered the body, so he might have actually escaped.

47:11Right now, I just Googled and said 13 to 15 prisoners are confirmed or presumed to have died during escape attempts. Yeah. They shot some. They shot some. Others drowned. A couple drowned. But one guy, they never found his body. People would request transfers to Alcatraz because the food there was so good. So other prisoners, like in Leavenworth, would be like, get me out of Kansas. Send me out to San Francisco. the food is apparently banging. And yeah, it was shut down because it was too expensive. And Sean Connery was there. And Sean Connery. Yeah. Also, the Birdman of Alcatraz actually didn't have any birds.

47:43Common misconception. I didn't know there was a Birdman of Alcatraz. Oh yeah. But now I do. Oh yeah. And he was birdless. He was birdless. Al Capone on the banjos. That's awesome. Yeah. It is. It's really cool. Very cool. Okay. That was good. That was Talking Tennis? Yeah. Who's back? PFT? My Who's Back of the Week is Kindness. Kindness is back. This also broke after we got done recording on Thursday. But Schefter had some major scoopage. The NFL officially appointed influential storyteller Dar Mann as its first ever chief kindness officer and creator of the week for Super Bowl LX. And this guy is?

48:23YouTuber. Like a scam artist? He's a three-time felon? Five-time felon. Yeah. But his felonies are for weed. I asked this only because I saw a bunch of people. He got caught five times. It was probably the same thing. So he got made kindness officer. And then the entire reaction was, this guy's a scam artist. If you're this guy, why would you ever accept this? Because you know you can't take a position like this knowing that most people are going to be like, dude, this guy's full of shit. I think the chief kindness officer thing. And by the way, we've named memes chief kindness officer a part of my take.

49:04Love that. So congrats, memes. Memes, would you like to give a speech or anything? I'm fired up about it. I'll be saying one nice thing to you guys every day. Wow. Except Hank. That's fair. What do you say? Except for Hank? Yeah, Hank doesn't get a kind thing. Nope. Memes, when we got off the plane today, he was just like, I'm just going to sit in my room all week. I was like, okay. Okay, sounds good. I think what this guy's going to do. You like Terrasumiums? This is a D's not show. No, no, this is. I don't. This is just deep inside banter with the boys from the past two days. Nice. Shane is.

49:39We got a new franchise. We'll get to it. Okay, okay. It's about Shane. It's about Shane. But I think this Darman guy, and Max, you're a big fan of his, right?

49:51I don't know the right answer. This was one of those situations I was very happy that I did not know who this person was. I don't know anything, so I don't know. I feel like you want me to say yes. Yeah, but there are certain times when someone comes up and it's like, I heard their name, but I don't know what they... I had no idea this person existed. I think he took the gig because J.B. Smoove turned him down. This sounds like a big-time J.B. Smoove-type role where they're going to be like, this is Chief Kindness Officer Dhar Mann, and it's going to be a funny thing about the NFL trying to be too kind.

50:23They're going to try to make it like... I don't think that there's actually a chief kindness initiative in the NFL. You should have made Dave. Yeah. That would have been awesome. Yeah. You would have embraced it. 0 % weed relation to the felonies. He uses real estate company to fraudulently pocket more than$44 ,000 from city redevelopment grants. That sounds bad. Yeah, that's fraud. Disavow. Yeah, disavow. It had nothing to do with weed. I thought it had something to do with weed. I read his Wikipedia after he tried to create, I think it was when the WeWork shit was happening, he tried to create WeGrow.

51:00Oh, so he took like city grants to build a drug empire. It was like, what if we did WeWork, which famously went so well and did it for weed? That sounds like the business pitch that he did. Like just communal farms? Yeah, or something like that. Yeah. I did very little research. Like you want to come grow some of your weed at my house? Yeah. Are we the most lightly researched podcast out there? Oh, yeah. We're the opposite of Pablo finds out. Yeah. We're the, we're part of my take. Finds in. Doesn't really care if we find out or not. Yeah. We find in. Yeah. We, we'll loosely Google something. Yeah.

51:41And sometimes get that wrong. I did Google the Josh Harris story for a solid five minutes. And I think I got to the bottom of that one. Yeah. But again, we'll let the other members of the Sixers front office figure that one out. Okay. My Who's Back of the Week is Giannis because this is the week, boys. It is NBA trade deadline week. It could be. It could be. It could not be. But it's more of a reminder that Who's Back, the NBA trade deadline, I can't believe they do it every year during the Super Bowl. It makes no sense. But it could be Giannis week. What has Shams been doing? Like the most recent post that he had about it, just say he's demanding a trade.

52:22Yeah. Enough of this. Like Giannis would be open to finding other teams that are interesting, collaborative effort on a basketball championship. He's like couching in so much shit. Just be like Giannis has decided that he would like to be traded. He's asked the front office for a trade. Yeah. Don't, don't say it like go half ass with it anymore. Dude. I think he might go actually to golden state. Did you see though, the most recent on the DraftKings sports book, our good friends, the DraftKings Sportsbook, the most recent update, as of a couple hours ago, the favorite is the Bucs at plus 125. Second is the Chicago Bulls at plus 310.

52:59Whoa. And I think that's probably just Mikey Betts betting it over and over. What are the other ones? Warriors plus 400. That's what I think is going to happen, yeah. There's been, I mean, the rumors of him to the Bulls have always kind of been there being like, this idea that he loves Milwaukee so much that he's not going to, he's going to stay living in Milwaukee and commute. Yeah. Which he could do, but it would be the most ridiculous thing ever. So yeah, those have been rumors before. I would highly, highly doubt that that would happen, but it would be awesome. That would be very funny if he stayed in Milwaukee.

53:31He was like, I just love the city too much. I would never turn my back on the city of Milwaukee, so that's why I'm going to be living in my house and still playing for the Bulls. J.J. Redick lived across the street from me in Brooklyn when he played for the Sixers. Yeah. He did. So this could be Giannis week. Could be Giannis week. Could be Giannis week. Do you think it's going to be Giannis week? I think it's going to stay with the Bucs. It'd be fun just because we're here if you went to the Warriors, but I would prefer him go to the Bulls. That'd be even more fun. That would be very fun. It'd be very, very fun.

54:05Okay, Zach. I think you have two who's back of the weeks And I want to hear both of them Give us your Backup one and then give us the one That you came here with before you slept in Which again you slept in at 5pm Which is absolutely abysmal So things were moving about A thousand miles an hour when we were doing this podcast I didn't have a backup one so I just got to stand On the one that I I only had the one I didn't want to be on the phone while we were doing it would be disrespectful if I was on the phone the entire time while we were podcasting things were moving quick things were moving fast do you need a water?

54:46I'll take a sip alright so Zach has one who's back week can I make one request? yeah you can say no feel free to make all the requests your who's back week can't be about video games I never heard that.

55:08Can't be about video games All right, I'm cooked. It can be about video games. Go ahead. My who's back week was going to be LAN setups. It was going to be LAN setups. Speak slowly because I don't know what that is. So LAN setup is like... Like continents? What does LAN stand for? I actually don't know the answer. The acronym? I don't know how the acronym breaks down. It just means it means in person. Like physically set up. Live action network. Part of my take finds out. We'll never find out. Would you just like to leave some things a mystery? Live Action Network? The Local Area Network? Local Area Network.

55:44Oh. That makes way more sense. Okay, so we're getting LAN setups? So guys are ripping on LAN setups. The virtual world became the physical world because we have competitive Call of Duty back on LAN for the first time in Dallas, Texas this week. Okay. And how'd it go? Shout out Bush. Yeah, Bush made quite the run in the Challengers Tournament this weekend on LAN. Friday, you know, kind of walk. Friday's like the – it's open. It's an open tournament, right? So anyone can, like, get into the tournament. So the first day is, like, there's, like, 100 teams there. So there's, like, firing games, trying to, like, whittle down the competition towards the smaller end of the bracket.

56:22So first day, like, competition wasn't as difficult. Kind of walk through Friday. Get to Saturday. Comp's getting a little bit more aggressive. There's a – Saturday there's an early loss. So you knock down the loser's bracket. But they made a fantastic run through Saturday Through Sunday Loser's bracket So they exited Saturday Feeling good, feeling great Is anyone following? Yeah, a little bit Keep going I'm not going to backtrack anything No, no, no, keep going We lost, we lost, we lost Winning, winning, winning Oh, it's a double elimination They only had one loss that locked them into the loser's bracket Then we get to Sunday So then you get to Sunday and then they had so Optic has a challenge team called the Huntsmen they played them first on Saturday or no today's Sunday on Sunday they were able to defeat them 3-0 so that was a great win it was a fantastic win they went and played Project 7 and they defeated them or they beat them 3-1 also huge?

57:24nah not huge good comp but not I think the Huntsman was great comp? competition got it yes sir we're just trying to you know be efficient with comp I should have said competition. No, it's fine. I'm just trying to learn the world. Zach, I have a question. What can I do for you? What's your role in the bush? What do you do? I would say maybe utility guy. I mean, you're the best utility guy in the world. You're the land man. Oh. Like, they need anything at the land. You're the man. I think Jerry's the land man. Jerry was in the pit. Did you guys see anything from the pit? Yeah, he's the pit man.

58:00I think Jerry might have given some of the players on the other team. They might be leaving the event with trauma. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to be able to play the same way. I started watching Landman, by the way, as a sidebar. It just should be called Dinner Fights and Death. But go ahead. It's a good show. You watch it? I've seen the first season, yeah. Dinner Fights and Death feels good? And like rekindled relationships? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Okay, so how did Push end up? Second place overall. Oh, nice. Second place. They made the grand finals, and then they did get beat by...

58:33Saudis, say it. Yeah, the Saudis. They got beat by the Saudis. The Saudis took them down? The Saudis took them out, yeah. Wait, is it Saudi-backed or Saudi-actual Saudis? Rocky Esports Saudis. But, like, are the players Saudis? The Saudis. Shit. The Saudis took them out. We lost the Saudis. But great placement, you know, second place. 18K prize play made in the money. Most importantly, did you have fun? I did, yes, sir. It was a good weekend. I could tell. You look like the happiest boy in the world. You almost died, though. Took a tumble. I went down. Yeah, it was tough. Yeah. I caught one of the cords, and I was going to pull.

59:06The tables had cloths on them, and there's drinks, there's laptops. And when I was getting up, I felt myself catch one of the cords. And I was like, I can't take this. So I just stopped. And then no momentum. Zach, how are you feeling about your first Super Bowl week? I'm looking forward to the week. What do you mean? Oh, in Dallas with the bush? No, I'm very much still looking forward to the week. Yeah, this is your first Super Bowl week. Yeah, I'm super excited. It's going to be awesome. Yeah. A lot of work, but a fun week. Let's get all the work. Zach, since you're going to be just a walking billboard for the book, part of my book.

59:40Everyone go buy it on pre-order on Amazon. Can you just give the listeners a pitch? Why should they buy this book, in your words? Just a quick synopsis on me. What was your chapter about it? Zach, pretend that I'm a customer. I'm a book-reading member of the U.S. public, and I'm strolling past Barnes & Noble, or I'm walking. Sell me this book. Yeah, send me the book. I'm looking for a book to order on Amazon right now. I don't know what to click on. I could get that one or the tennis podcast, the book. Which one am I going to go for and why? So you are in the market for some reading? For a sports podcast book, yes.

1:00:17Sports podcast book specifically? Yeah. Yeah. Am I interested in this part of my book? Yeah. Okay. What's it about? I'm hearing a decade of history, BFT, a big hat. Did you write a chapter? I've got a tiny chapter in here About? Mine is Ice Cream Heavy Oh nice

1:00:41I love it This is I'm excited to read it as well I'm very happy that you had fun with the bush this weekend It seemed like a great time You were in your element We gotta get you streaming Which is coming We're gonna build you the streaming thing in our studio You ready for it? I'm excited for the show You will be a streaming star. I think it'll be a good time. Yeah. No, I'm talking about after that. After the 36-hour stream. You streaming video games, you will be a star. We're going to get some good reps. I'm excited everybody will get together and entertain the people. Yeah. Agreed. We all agree?

1:01:14I agree. Yeah. Okay. What's wrong? What's wrong, Max? I have one question. Oh, okay. There's another video that I noticed from this weekend. Oh, no. Is it the guy who got hit in the head with a chair? When you landed in Dallas, someone was picking you up. Oh, yeah. I think they honked at you 32 times before you looked up. There's no context in that video, Max. We're at the airport. Everybody's honking. There are so many honks, though. So me and Luke are exchanging information via text. He's like, ETA, ETA. I'm sending ETA. Then we're sending photos of signs on where to go out. So I had just taken a photo of my sign to send to him.

1:01:53And he told me which sign he was going to be by. Yeah, that was terrible That's okay It's okay, it's okay We're gonna work on awareness We're good with that We were firing way too much information at the same time Got it Too much info can actually be less info Yeah, information overload Yeah We all suffer from it That's what we hit Yeah Okay, let's get to our interview with Chris Berman Which was incredible You good, Zach? Yes, sir You look like you just ran a marathon on. No, no. Okay. I'm good. Okay. You're doing a great job. What a week. And again, I just want to reiterate the, you know, the water, the sleeping incident today is not an official documented sleeping incident.

1:02:39It's very officially documented. No, I'm saying it was, yes, it was very documented because it will be on PMTV. I'm saying it's in the discussion last time he slept in, we agreed that it's going to be a seasonal thing he already hit his quota for q1 i don't think that today was even close to egregious enough to be on the radar of an official like how could you do this this was a side funny you close your eyes on a bed for like a minute yeah so at at most it's a verbal discussion we it's not we didn't write you up it cost us zero zero minutes zero minutes of of of time wasted actually a 100%. We hadn't even started anything.

1:03:26We were just sitting here busting each other's balls. I don't think you realize how close your room is to this room. It was like, oh, we should get ready to pod. It'll be like, oh, let me go get Zach. Yeah, let's go knock on his door. Zach, you could actually just sleep in this room. Yeah. All week if you want. Never miss pod. Wake you up and pod. No, we got this. We're good boys. You got this. Anything else you can do, I'll do it. Okay, so please do go buy the pre-order the book on Amazon. Pardon my book. 10 years of Pardon My Take history with chapters from all of us and uh the history of the podcast we talk about everything everything that we haven't talked about before publicly at all yep we dove into it a lot of ups and downs barstool van talk everything uh covid and uh it's it's going to be a very good book so please do pre-order because us being new york times bestsellers would be very very funny uh as a clap back whenever someone says we're dumb because we are dumb i think i would get it tattooed on my body somewhere yeah you know what i would new york times best-selling author yeah yeah uh okay chris berman let's do it okay before we get to chris berman back in our studio we've got the pepsi zero sugar challenge and memes you're up first pepsi super bowl 60 spot brings light to a similar phenomenon of discovery and truth the pepsi paradox the idea that when labels and bias disappear.

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1:06:06Extremely easy. Extremely easy. Pepsi Zero Sugar tastes that great. So go try a Pepsi Zero Sugar today. And now, here's Chris Berman. Whap! Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very special guest. You can probably just tell by the laugh there. It's a tradition that we hold near and dear to our heart. It's one of our favorite things we get to do every single year. It's kind of a pinch. we pinch ourselves because we're like hey remember the time we got to interview chris berman and then it became a yearly super bowl week tradition and here we are i think this is year four or five five could be five i think the first one was before the la super bowl because that's when me and billy left from 23 24 25 this is five yeah so chris berman in studio the schwamm our schwamm here to talk some balls some super bowl some memories but i have a very important question for you before we start uh a little birdie told me that did you sleep on the couch uh at espn on sunday night because you were just so excited to get the show going well not beforehand yes so first of all the very very very that's from the department of redundancy department yes but i i threw as many i think you just broke the record well thank you for that yes no no never so we had 17 inches of snow in Connecticut on Sunday.

1:07:30I mean, we've had it. You have it here in Chicago. And a day ahead, I said, you know, it's supposed to go all night and then get worse. And I've never slept in the building. I mean, I'm 11 or 12 miles. Could I make it? Yeah. Yeah. But it was like four degrees after, not 28 as it usually is when it slows. Right. We have a hotel. I said, but that's a mile down the road. So I slept on a couch. the executive level my office is be sleeping on like astroturf yeah back might never recover yeah okay my kids who are your age and happy birthday fellas 41 of 41 very very very 41 41 yeah and um um yeah it wasn't the best sleep i ever had yeah the executive area had a nice coffee keurig in the morning and i i had it wait so this was saturday night going into no no no no Sunday after the game.

1:08:28Did the show, primetime after game. Yeah, because Booger told me. Booger's a little birdie. He's not very little. A little birdie sometimes get it wrong. He's actually kind of fat. Oh, no. So, no, the show's over. It would be, and now your car is kind of plowed in at 1230 in the morning. You know what? I'm going to follow through. I brought a blanket that our kids had, you know, sleepovers, like twin blankets when they'd have, you know, ninth grade sleepovers, right? Found it in the basement. It was fine. And a little pillow. I'm shocked that was the first time in 50 years or close to 50 years.

1:09:04I'm a cowboy. I mean, I'll drive home. I drove home after the tuck game. That might have been the roughest drive because that was, the time we got in the car, it was 2.30 in the morning. Yeah. The plows aren't, you know, 2.30 in the morning. They're not really, they're out there. So this is the first time I figured in the book, I'll never write. And then I'll finish it. it's a story i'll never write it but that story's in yeah about that yeah yeah so i don't know about you but sometimes after a great nfl sunday i have a hard time falling asleep yeah because we do the show on sunday night afterwards talk about all the games and i'm all worked up i just spent all day watching ball and have a hard time falling asleep are you the same way absolutely so i was up anyway plus i have a lot of seattle friends and that's the second game and that game was tremendous as all these certainly NFC games have been great and not that the others aren't.

1:10:01So I'm up anyway so the next thing you know it's 2 o 'clock I go you know I don't know what kind of, I don't think this is a Las Vegas pull the shade down it's going to be dark till 9am till I feel like waking up so I better get to bed about 2 or 2.30 but so you could make the drive, it's not like you're drowsy but you know what, why not? yeah it's a first yeah i want to pay you a compliment because i watched your interview with sam darnold you still got it as a journalist well that was a good interview he completely opened up to you i feel like we haven't seen that side of sam he seemed open honest authentic you guys had a good conversation i'm curious because i did watch the interview and it was great if you haven't seen it go watch it but i'm curious what you got from him off camera just about sam darnold how he seems to be right now where he's at in his life what did you figure out by because i'm sure you talked to him for a while i did without the cameras rolling so what what can america learn from what you learned from sam dartle first thing before we got started i said can i just say one thing to you there are a lot of people in new york rooting for you parentheses i didn't say it yeah he got it like he goes it's nice of you to say i said no no i grew up at chase stadium i was eighth grade with the jets won the super bowl so i can say this they figured out you're not the problem but he liked that but he wasn't full steam ahead he's enjoying he's not tormented easy to say now that they're where they are but he's not oh god now this is my Rams I didn't even we just talked about the three games and how he well it was in the interview the Ernest Jones thing.

1:11:45That's our quarterback. That's our blanking quarterback. You said that after the bad game when Sam threw four picks. Four turnovers. And by the way, they had a 60-something yard field. They lost 21-19. They were that good. A lot of 20-yard drives for touchdowns the defense gave up. So Sam, what did I learn about him? I'd met him just a few times through the years. Still he's a good guy good quietly still confident but not pap answers both off and on on camera sometimes you have to right yeah not pap and he believes everything that you saw in that interview he believes that um that what's surrounding him obviously an outstanding defense but what's surrounding him is all supportive and it's the closest and i've heard this from i was at the seahawks you know last week for a couple days that's about as tight a team there are others yeah they're tight offenses and defense what do you do their specialty like they're very tight and that stems from the coach young coach by the way we're gonna have another one this week I don't know at what point with him and JSN, like, how do you get open?

1:13:07I know it's going to you. You're the only Rashid Shaheed now, but you're the only deep threat. How do you guys do 20-yard passes? You never met each other until this summer or June. Yeah. You'll find that fascinating. Sam, never heard a quarterback say it. he's got the best body language of any receiver that i've ever seen yeah body language that's usually something said in a singles bar he goes no comment but no the jsn i mean we've been we've been singing his praises all season long i thought the the interesting thing and brady pointed out during the nfc championship game the way that he keeps his shoulders level at all times to not tip off the cornerback that you know he's like a lot of guys they'll dip their shoulder before the ball or they're going to make a cut and then they showed a highlight package I was like oh my god like this is a a nuance that I you know I know I'm not picking up that he is just his shoulders are flat the entire time and it's so hard to guard him and figure out which direction he's going because of that and it's just like and his hands are phenomenal and body control.

1:14:18It's a crazy Super Bowl. It's going to be a fun Super Bowl. Like both these teams, you were saying before we were talking, like you saw you went to Patriots practice in October and you didn't think this was going to be, we were going to be sitting here in February talking about them. No, but I could see a few. I went to one practice. They were kind enough to let me just come and watch on a Thursday. So they were, they'd beaten Buffalo like up there maybe two weeks before. So this is toward the end of the month. And you could see the intermediate to long intermediate passes from Drake May. And it was a rainy, crappy, late October day.

1:14:57It was like, darn, he's on it with Diggs, with Hunter Henry. These passes are on. And when you watch the Patriots play on TV, even in October, because with Booger, obviously, who's been on the show many times, I said, Boog, even if the tackle's made, there's three guys standing there. He goes, I noticed the same thing. They're all around there. Nobody's escaping. They're very – I said to them after, I said, whatever it is you're doing, keep doing it. Yeah. So, but as we talked, the Patriots were about 75 or 80 to 1, and the Seahawks were 60 to 1, which in retrospect, they won 10 games the year before.

1:15:37But here's the Rams, here's San Francisco, and here's Philly. And just a different season. Yeah. It's a crazy season. Well, it started with, well, I mean, I'm going to go back to before you were born, four years before. I hadn't said this anywhere, and it's just kind of history. In 81, my first real season of being aware, professionally, at ESPN, the year of the catch, okay? So that puts where I'm going. Cincinnati and San Francisco were 6-10. come on bill wall silver guy 50 years old what the hell does he know joe montana typical notre dame quarterback won't amount to much you know cincinnati yeah they got a big line landon and munoz is really good but kenny anderson's accurate yeah six and ten and they both get there now i know seattle 110 last year so i'm kind of disqualifying it a little bit but still they were off the charts yeah no one really started following them until that 38 37 nationally rams game like oh we might have to know here's what i will say about both teams you can we can now we've had all year to watch them in the middle of november could you name more than six players the average hey i follow football name me six seahawks name me six patriots am I right?

1:17:09we don't know we do now that's why it's really fascinating so the season I did give that good prediction you guys were kind enough to have me on when they were stupid enough to sign me so I could make 50 years at ESPN so thank you we're going to be at that party we're having one we're there and I said the Chiefs and the Bills aren't going to play in the playoffs I don't know why. I have no reason. And it turned out to be accurate. Yep. Seven of eight division winners were different. One was Philly, and they were out right away. That's crazy. Seven of eight were different. The one that was the same was the NFC East, which hasn't had a repeat division winner since what, 2004?

1:17:54Yeah, since Andy Reid. Yeah. And early Andy. And yeah, they were bounced right away. 10 coaches openings including 19 year Mike Tomlin 18 year John Harbaugh Sean McDermott I'm at the playoffs every year so the AFC is on its ear you know Buffalo made it but no Lamar you know all of it no Lamar no Burrow no Mahomes no Chiefs they're in every Super Bowl the AFC is on its ear as it was in 81 when the Bengals got into the Bengals? Really? And it's just different. It's just – it's okay. It's a fun year. It's a very fun year. Yeah. And we've got – the more things change, the more they stay the same, same matchup as we had back in – was that in Arizona?

1:18:50Yes. That was the Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl, the famous Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson, coach of that team, Bill Belichick, in the news this week. I'm curious. I heard. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this because I'm sure you've thought it over. You were around Bill for long enough. You've been around football for long enough. What do you think about the Hall of Fame kind of some of the voting members taking their pound of flesh and saying, we're not going to let you in first ballot, Bill? They look pretty foolish. Look, I'm the emcee there. I don't vote. I'm actually on a committee, but it's one of those that narrows down 100 to 50 old timers.

1:19:26So, I mean, I'm far from my speech half written for Bill. Not that I'm sitting there writing it in January. Don't get me wrong. But two things. One is the obvious. By the time this show hits, everybody's spoken like, well, what more would you like him to do? The system I knew a year ago when Mike Holmgren was the coach that they put forward. But the system of, well, there's three players. There's a coach and there's a contributor. or you can only vote for three. So he didn't make it. And I go, this doesn't look right. So that's the system before Bill. And I don't know if it was pound of flesh, but 11 people is a lot.

1:20:09It's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. I understand Willie Mays wasn't unanimous to go in the Baseball Hall of Fame, apples and oranges. I know, by the way, he got in, you know, duh. But. But. He's all the duh. But. Duh. it looks here's what I would say and we don't know as we speak what the regular you know the guys that are so if I'm a voter and I were one of the 50 not even on bill but generally okay who's automatically in well from the player's side Drew Brees do we really need to discuss them No. Right. Okay, so I could vote for three more of them. Let me think about the other nine or 11 or whatever it is.

1:21:00Do I like Luke Keek, Terrell Suggs, Vinatieri? I mean, we could go on and on. Is it Eli? I mean, okay, but those two are good. Now I only got three spots. Okay, so now if I'm a voter in this category and I have five names, Robert Kraft, contributor, Bill Belichick, coach, and then Roger Craig, and is it Elsie? And who am I forgetting? But the three players, Roger Craig, Elsie Greenwood. I'm spacing for a minute. Okay. Well, Belichick's in, so now I only have two spots. If I'm a voter, that's the way I do it. Yeah, and it's almost a disservice to the guys that do get in. It's going to be a night that is about them.

1:21:41It's a celebration of their careers, and they're all tremendously accomplished players. Ken Anderson, by the way. Ken Anderson. That was the other one. We mentioned him earlier. I knew it. It's like, wait a minute, just said it. And to a certain extent, that night that should be about the guys that are getting in is going to be about Bill Belichick not getting in. And that's so that the ramifications are even more than just what are we doing? They look, I don't know how it got out, but it got out, which isn't the point. I mean, we would have found out on that Thursday, and that would have taken from the Super Bowl a little bit.

1:22:14So in your opinion, Bill Belichick should be in the Hall of Fame. Oh, God, yes. Oh, God. Well, I read just this today on the plane coming in that when Joe Montana, for example, was eligible back to the 81 season, although that's, you know, the only beginning of it. Ira Miller, who was a San Francisco writer, like stands up and you give, you present. They don't vote right then and there, but they present. I present Joe Montana and he sat down. That's it. I present Bill Belichick. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. we need to present other guys because I'm torn. Do I go with Ken Anderson, Roger Craig do I go with, you know, L.C.

1:22:56Greenwood, Kraft but he's Bellatine. No, you're in then what? That hasn't come out yet it's the easiest. Drew Brees and Larry Fritzero for example, on the plate, like that's done but maybe not I mean, what did they do wrong? Nothing. I don't want to burn part of our interview for next year. But next year, ESPN is hosting the Super Bowl. I've heard it. It's going to be on ESPN. Is it a little still mind-blowing? I mean, you are the guy who's been there from the whole thing. You've seen the entire rise to if you went all the way back 45 years ago and said, hey, Schwamm, don't worry. In 2027, this little thing in Bristol, Connecticut, is going to host the Super Bowl.

1:23:44would you be like no come on you're crazy yeah what did i sleep on a couch last night after a snowstorm right no it the chest will be out for all of us because you know no we never thought it but then eight years in we got the nfl which was way ahead of the curve now we got sunday night football in prime time so that was oh my god we got the pro bowl we treated that like the super Bowl. Now it's a flag football or whatever it is. That was when the Pro Bowl was still good. Well, they played. They heard Ronnie Lott give a speech. Tie game 12 minutes to go. The difference then might have been 10 ,000, maybe 15, win or loser.

1:24:2410 minutes to go. He gathered everybody and they played some football. We're here. It's an extra 15K, which now nobody would care. So to answer the question, Kat, I didn't even properly do a LeColte show. It took me 10 minutes to do the French. Sorry. Je regret. Pardon my French. Yeah, pardon my French. Very good. Pretty cool. The only thing I can compare it to is when ESPN, and I had nothing to, not acquiring it, but when we got ESPN at the Rose Bowl, and I turn on the TV, and I'm home, because it's like the middle of the week that year, wouldn't and the espn presents whatever year it was the rose bowl i went oh we have the rose bowl yeah like so this will be times whatever a pretty proud moment for a lot of people whose names you'll never know that helped put the mortar and brick and and that allowed us to do this yeah it's cool imagine is you could never imagine this kind of super bowl we're gonna have the super bowl yeah i mean pretty cool now i'm sure we'll do plenty associated with it it'll be you'll be you'll be hopefully not sick of us by the time we get to september but um very cool yeah yeah excited very excited for you guys it's a great great time so you want to talk a little bit about the game Why not?

1:25:59I heard that there is one By the way, it is not only Happy birthday to you guys But happy

1:26:09Commonly known as Groundhog Day But on this show That takes us back to our first one I think it was on that day It might have been Get you on here to get a little pop It's an extra pop So you know Sometimes You gotta it's a late night with a snowstorm you're not driving home so the game coming up very excited for this game I think the Seahawks seem like they've been the most consistent team if you look in the macro at this entire season probably the best week to week I could hear an argument maybe for the Rams in there but they beat the Rams so they move on the Patriots obviously there's a lot of questions but Mike Vrabel awesome coach great defense quarterbacks played well I actually think Ramondre Stevenson played exceptionally well through these playoffs.

1:27:02He's kind of been a guy that was, you could say he was kind of in Vrabel's doghouse earlier this season. And he worked his way out of the doghouse. I don't know what to do with this game. I feel like the spread doesn't matter. The Patriots take a money line or don't take them at all. So what do you see going into it? Well, I agree with Seattle being early November. I said to people in our room, I think they're the NFC team. Even with Philly, we weren't sure Philly was going to go kind of disintegrate or whatever they did.

1:27:38But then, ooh, the big picture. Are they going to win it with Sam? Are they going to win it? And I think he's answered that by now. Yep. Doesn't mean anybody can't have a bad game. I mean, hello. Right. But that defense, although, if I'm Josh McDaniels, I mean, I have my opinion already. I'm ready to go with it. But twice the Rams ran up a lot of yards and a lot of points. Twice. In Seattle both times. So, you know, when they can't hear that, you know, not to Matthew Stafford, I get it. But, and it's Sean McVay, I get it. But Josh and a quarterback, Drake May, who forget, Don't forget that he's – Sam did too.

1:28:23Drake Mays in the Super Bowl. So I can't say, well, that means he's going to fumble three more times. No, he played a clean game in Denver in terrible conditions in the second half. So what is it that allowed the Rams to move Stafford to Pukunokua? I got it. But they have a dig. He goes well to the tight end. They will have some things based on the two Rams game. I just thought of that this morning. Twice. that being said that defense is the best in football i understand the houston defensive ends i get it there you look at the stat sheet for seattle's defense like for example i look flying in today to remind myself so leonard williams one tackle boy must had a bad game wrong um well he threw three guys over his shoulder so somebody else could make the tackle yeah they are and coach McDonald is a defensive I mean I'm going to use that as young coaches Andy Reid and they're all in the same division with Kyle too Shanahan I mean good luck to the new Arizona coach but whoever that may be that defense can play much better than they did in the championship game Let's just leave it at that.

1:29:45I mean, that's a defense that San Francisco was wounded. We saw twice they allowed San Francisco three field goals in back-to-back games. That defense, like the Rams went into Carolina twice late. Yeah. One in the playoffs and one they lost, right, in the regular season. And that was nip and tuck. And Seattle held Carolina to like nothing. Yeah. So until this game, they were averaging like nine points. Can New England get to 20? Can they? Yeah. They got a good punt returner as to Seattle. Like specials are good. The Rams. How do I see the game? I made the spread five. So that's about what it is.

1:30:35I mean, not that I'm an odds maker, but I do it so that I would have trouble going either way. until I delved into it and somebody said, well, you got to do something. You're the swami, you know? And somewhere in the game, there will be a one-yard touchdown run by the Seahawks. I don't know by who, not to win it. It won't be to win it. That would... Can you imagine? No, we're saving that for the Disney Super Bowl. Yeah. Our ESPN Super Bowl. Yeah. Someone will run... Walker will run a one-yard run because they have to. Yeah. You got to. That Super Bowl. So how do I see it? Want to pick a score already?

1:31:15Yeah, I want the Swami score. I know you're looking for fives and twos and we go through this. But this is, I had, and we can massage it, 26-17. Oh, that's the Swami score? Six. So 17's a normal score. Yeah, yeah. Maybe 26-19. I like to make it enough three or four so that opposite, in old swami days there's no question oh somebody stubbed the toe the line goes to it's three or four away from the number that's kind of why i think i've told you this but by like my uh childhood like realizing it when when it would be the scores and then the the little thing would be next to the team that was covering and it like you know that aha moment of like ah So the arrow's not next to the winner.

1:32:05It's who's covering. Thank you. We couldn't really say the stuff we told you. I know. I would always say closer than expected. Yeah. Or they might win handily. Right. Something like that. That's what I have at the moment. I know Gonzalez is a hell of a corner. And then he's not going to be one-on-one with J.S. They can figure out ways to get JSN matched up everywhere. Well, it's also so interesting, the conference champions, because you have obviously the weather in Denver in that second half. So how do you figure out where the Patriots' offense is? And the other thing, when you're talking about the Rams did, down to down, they were going up and down the field.

1:32:49But the final score, 31-27, that Tariq won. They're off the field. And if he doesn't get that penalty, the next play is a touchdown. What is it? The Rams got a couple field goals and a couple touchdowns. That looks a little different because at that point, that's all they had. And it's like maybe that's a good thing for the Seahawks that they have a teaching moment because if that happens in the Super Bowl, you can't have those. No, and that's a good point because it might have been often when good teams and be a close game, 26-17 is only nine, so that would be two or it could be up by six and kick field goal.

1:33:26Sometimes the team that's going to win, let's get it to two scores and it might take 54 minutes to do that. So am I saying that that's what's going to happen? I just think Seattle's – but again, the Rams ran okay on the Seahawks. And to your point, PFT, both Stevenson and Henderson, they run. Yeah. they will have a tough time those rookies are good players on the front line for New England Campbell at the guard Leonard Williams is a big man and Demarcus Lawrence they're pretty good by the way a draft pick that no one's taught number one and two by Seattle nobody, again, two names nobody knows, not you don't Gray Zabel, North Dakota State We're going to pick an offensive lineman.

1:34:25How'd that go? He's great. He's great. He's really good for a rookie. Iman Worry? Oh, yeah. Whoa. Whoa. You look at him, and he's not 6 '5". Like Leonard Williams walks in the room and, hello. Yep. I mean, he's a bigger cat than the big cat. Yeah. And so Iman Worry is like 6 '2", but he has great posture, which I'm already envious. and he just looks like he's a large guy. That was a great, and that's the Kyle Hamilton type role that Mike had, you know, with the Ravens. And he's an interesting, here's what I learned from Coach McDonald, and I want to go back to the game 11 years ago because it's something that I hit at the end of primetime, but I want to go into it and see what you guys think.

1:35:15Coach McDonald said to me, and we'll probably get this on this week too, he goes, you know, when they beat the Rams 38-37, he said, I'm just a second-year coach still trying to figure it out. Which I said, I haven't heard a coach say that. At the press conference after the game that essentially made them the one seed and didn't come to Chicago. If that two-point conversion doesn't work, they're playing in Chicago and the Rams are home. Think about that. One play changed the whole thing. Then the Rams went on to Atlanta. It's like, what do you mean we can't win the division? How did that happen?

1:35:49Yeah. We were just, so they had their head down and they got beat. That two point, if they don't get it, they're the five. Might have lost in the club. They got to win three games. We don't know. On the road. Yeah. So, but he said also in an interview, he goes, I'm not taking out the book and saying, okay, it's March 23rd. If you look at section three dash five, we should be here by then. Because that's not, he's, let it organically, let it play out. And if we screw up a little, I think it'd been, you know, Sam, for example, we're not, hey, don't do that. There may be some things that Tom Brady pointed out in Clint Kubiak, like footwork and this, but let it rip.

1:36:36Be smart when you let it rip. Not like golf, part three over water. Whatever you do, don't hit it in the water. Well, now you're just, as soon as you say that, it's in the water. Yeah. Right? So that's just, I'm going on and on. The Seahawks, I'm just so high on John Schneider, the general manager, and Coach McDonald, he really got that right. I mean, and there are other, you know, he,

1:37:04and getting Rashid Shahid, who changed the Ram 38-37 game. Yep, that kick return, yep. The kick return again, well, that was the punt, and then the kick return was the Niners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, and complete respect for what the Niners accomplished with, they're like in the Alamo against 2 ,000 soldiers. You know what I'm saying? American history major. Yeah, no basement in the Alamo. Right, right. So, Booger will tell you this is true. In the room, quietly, the opening kick return, I said the game's over. Yeah, yeah. Really? I said, well, do respect to Kyle and Purdy, who's played great.

1:37:46And it wasn't a touchdown. I said, if the next score is a Seattle touchdown, you know, 12 seconds, we're done. Yeah. And we were talking about it going into that game because, you know, COVID, we kind of forget everything. But the Seahawks had not lost a playoff game in Seattle. They were 10-0 with fans in the stands. Now they're 12-0 in the last 12. And it's like that kickoff comes Oh shit They're in deep We forgot about this crowd Hard to forget about them One other thing for New England though They went up against three real defenses Yeah Top five Not that defense is playing defense I'm sure you guys commented on it They out-defensed All three of them I mean I understand Herber, oh, he didn't have blockers.

1:38:39Well, that's not your defense's fault. Houston, well, Stroud played not too well. Ass is what we said. I mean, but they had something to do with all of it. Denver, oh, here comes the snowstorm. If Sean had kicked a field goal, it could be 10-0, but it didn't. They then offensively didn't make the mistake, and all they needed was one by Stidham. You know, one. Not like five. Right. So So that's a New England's feather. And they get these leads, and then Vrabel, he relishes having that second-half lead where he's like, I'm going to run the ball down your throat. We're just going to put it on the ground, limit mistakes, eat the clock, and then that's – Vrabel is, I think – I made this point on, I think, the last show, but he reminds me in some ways of Dan Campbell, where I think both guys like to play into the meathead football guy mentality, and the press loves that, right?

1:39:31Like, we love the stories of Vrabel putting on the pads in practice, bloodying his lip up, headbutting his guys, but they're both very, very smart coaches. They're both super, super smart when it comes to in-game management, not just how they construct and develop a team. I think that this, Vrabel being an underdog in the Super Bowl makes him more dangerous than he would be if he was favored. Very good point, and absolutely. I still can see that the last playoff game when he was Tennessee and he beat Belichick and Brady in Foxboro, and he outruled Coach Belichick with something that Belichick had done all by the rule book but boy and I forget what it was and I thought I was going to watch Bill's head explode four minutes to go like I know exactly what he's doing and he's dead on and oh my God.

1:40:24They were taking penalties and the clock wasn't moving. The clock kept moving. He stole time from Belichick. No meathead coach there. No, this is – it's nice to have just a fresh Super Bowl. So let me make a left-hand turn, and then you can answer, you know, whatever else we want to go. Vivid memories of that one in Arizona. Arizona always seems to have a really good game, by the way. Always, right? I mean, you know, Giants and Patriots at 18 and – Chiefs-Eagles. Nine-tenths and 0. Yeah, the Chiefs, yeah, just a couple years ago. They've always had really good games.

1:41:05So I could go into the game because, you know, I have vivid memories, but it's not about me. Seattle wins. We're not going to – if they win, however they win. One-yard run, Russell Wilson rolls out, ball's not intercepted, then they run. However, I'm not going back to that. Think of – it's only 11 years ago. The history of the game, because this is not, oh, if Lombardi had done this, then they would have won eight in a row. This is not that. Seattle wins. Yep. So they do. Now, they've won two in a row. They're the team of the decade. Even though we got four years to go, or five, that locker room is not splintered at all.

1:41:54Yep. Believe me. I know. Okay? I mean, they still play offs and won a game. Could they have won three? Could they, yes, have won three in a row? We've seen it. Nobody's done it. But they would have been up for that. And then New England's narrative, not fair. They won 0-1, 0-3, 0-4. 0-7, they're 18 and 9 tenths and 0, but they didn't win. The other giant won. Close, they could have won. Now, they lose this? oh Belichick and Brady they're really good they were 3-0 they're 3-3 unfair don't get me wrong oh they can't win the big one anymore what's wrong with them not to say they wouldn't have gone on and beaten you know Atlanta if that was the same situation in the Rams but all of a sudden 3-0 they're 3-3 two in a row it changed the end of it changed the narrative from both conferences and so New England became the team of the decade because they won two more it's just interesting how it turned is there another one like that because the one I think of when you bring that up the John Elway's first you know they were double digit dogs to the Packers Packers were going for two in a row like that happens in NFL history where you look back and you're like oh Well, that result kind of changed the court.

1:43:24Then the Broncos go win another one. And it's just like things kind of change on a dime like that. That would be one, especially since I think the NFC had won 13 in a row, 12 or 13 in a row Super Bowls, whoever was in. You know, Washington being one of them. I mean, you know, Buffalo was in a few, so that didn't work. Right. Unfortunately. But that's either. Yeah, it did. And then John wins the next one, which is going away against Atlanta. and he goes off into the sunset. It did. It changed Denver and his narrative. It didn't change. Well, you know, Green Bay had them won two in a row. They had Brett Favre and Mike Holmgren.

1:44:04Yeah, that's a very good one. I was trying to think of one like that. I remember distinctly at the end of that Super Bowl, the Patriots and the Seahawks, I was staying in a house with a Seahawks fan. He's a writer. He's Danny Kelly. I think he works for the Ringer right now. He's a podcaster, big Seahawks fan. I went home with him. We went back to the house. We were just sitting in the backyard drinking a beer, talking about the game, and he had a 1 ,000-yard stare. I was like, what are you thinking about right now? He said, they just stole a dynasty from us. He felt the deep pain of like, we were about to be a dynasty.

1:44:36Now it's probably over. Even though you looked at that Seahawks team, they were still good coming back the next year. You thought maybe they could get one or two more, or at least a crack at it. But that's how it goes. And to your point, I don't know that the Patriots have that belief to come back from 28-3 if they didn't steal that Super Bowl from the Seahawks. We'll never know. We'll never know. That's the beauty of it. So here's my, the last, we go from the stands. Well, we're watching the game about eight minutes to go to get to the field because prime time is on the field when it's over, as you know.

1:45:10So there's like four minutes when from eight to four, you're in the bowels. you're hearing, you don't, I'm the only one in America not seeing the game, which is bizarre. And all I heard was Brady's pass complete to Edelman, first down. Brady's pass complete to Gronkowski, first down. Brady's pass complete to Shane Vereen, first down. Okay, and then, okay, you're out on the field. Okay, now they have the lead. so I'm at the five yard line going the Seahawk direction even though they were way at their own 30 or whatever it was and the bomb to curse so I don't know he lands right here I'm pointing just off my feet and I turn to Tom Jackson and I say remember they didn't review he was in but you couldn't I was shocked but he was in because I could see his butt landed.

1:46:12I'm right here. And I went, he blanking caught that ball, Tom. And then I thought, oh, my God, any lip reader, because I'm going to be on the video going, he caught that ball. But they only had my knees down. Thank God. Okay. And then, of course, they go to the one and then whatever. And wow. So there's no one left from that game. You know, by the way, back to this game, how many guys have even been in the Super Bowl? Yeah, right. I mean, the Vrabel, obviously. But in a couple of Seahawks, Cooper Cup and Ernest Jones with the Rams, but not a lot. I'm trying to think, and I don't think yet, not a lot.

1:47:00I got one for you to check because I haven't checked yet. On the coaching staff with the Seahawks is Leslie Frazier, who played with the 85 Bears. So he has a ring. He also is on the coaching staff with the Colts, won Peyton 1-0-6 against the Bears, oddly enough. If he and the Seahawks win, 40, I don't know the answer to this, 40 years apart from being a part of getting a ring with a Super Bowl team, 40 years apart? Yeah. Unless you're a player like him and you're still coaching in your mid-60s or a grad quality control guy at 25 years old and you're someone else, Leslie Frazier, in the year of your birthday, the 85 Bears, right, he might be 40 years.

1:47:53I don't know the answer to that. The biggest gap between. Yeah, between first and last. Here's the list. Oh, wow. Here's the list for guys. Matt Collins was on the 2017 Eagles. Milton Williams on 2024 Eagles. Carlton Davis on the 2020 Bucks. Austin Hooper on the 2016 Falcons. That's an interesting one. And then for the Seahawks, Ernest Jones on the Rams, Cooper Cupp on the Rams, and the one we forgot, Sam Darnold backing up. Oh, with the Niners. And the Niners. But yeah, that's it. Seven. Yeah, and a few of these guys weren't really playing early in their career or backups. So yeah, not a lot.

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1:50:18The other one I got to throw out there, and we're talking about missed moments or how it changes. What changes if Scott Norwood makes the first one? If he makes the one in the Bills first Super Bowl, do they have the confidence where it's like, you know, in the in the because I watched that. I think it was four falls of Buffalo. It was great. Great. Great. And the thing that struck me is them talking about how at the end it was just kind of running out of gas. And it was just like, hey, we've like the emotional toll of losing three and then getting to the fourth. And then like that, that second half in the fourth and just being like, it's it's over.

1:50:56if they win that first one. And what happens to – we talked about Bill Belichick earlier and him getting in the Hall of Fame. I think his defensive game plan from that Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame. What happens if Scott Norwood makes that kick? The Bills win the game. And are we talking about – obviously it was still a great defensive performance, but you don't talk about defensive performances and losses. So it's like those sliding door moments. There are a lot of them if we go through it. No, you're right. That game plan was, German Thomas had almost 200 yards combined. Yeah. We can't cover everything, but we will hammer everyone across the middle.

1:51:33Conversely, when they beat the Rams, not the same discussion, the big upset, the 14-point, you know, and we are all Patriots, all won. He told me quietly, he goes, we will not let Marshall Falk beat us. Knowing he's great. I mean, not like he's. Parentheses. If Kurt Warner and Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt get us, I mean, I do have Ty Law and some others, but he won't be this. But you're right. Had Norwood made it, I said this, and it will sound stupid. I don't know if I've said it on one of our shows, being close with that team, as you know. I think they would have gone two and two. We can't assume they would have made all of them.

1:52:16Right. And so I got asked, so which one? Washington was better than them. I'm not saying that because I'm looking at PFT. In retrospect, they're better. That was a great offensive team, yeah. The defense were pretty good, too. I mean, we could go on. It was like, okay. I got Hogs, Reincarnate. Okay. The one they lost, 52-17. Sounds like a stupid thing to say. Dallas, none of them had been there. The Bills, oh, my God, weren't our third one? this is armageddon if we don't win this oh my god now what you know this is before they play the game so sounds stupid 52 17 dallas proved they were better i get it but i think that would have been the one because of the experience thing and they would have been one and one theoretically you want an inside thing on the norwood kick who i know yeah i get from well i forget from go ahead where jmu that's right my bad yeah if i ever i say from it's always jmu if big cat says it's like it's always wisconsin we don't have a lot yeah well jmu they're all in indiana yeah that's true good point so uh from yeah the whole jmu team yeah so in warm-ups two hours before i i noticed he was hooking him some which he didn't usually do he was not one of those now not that many guys hook it as a rule a lot back then a lot of the soccer he didn't do it now we're at the pro bowl i talked to him after you know probably used to be a week right so scotty i noticed you were hooking the balls at that end zone too as it turned out did you make any change in the kick he goes interesting that you noticed that boomer i actually aimed a little farther right than normal and of course he drilled it yep because it's five hours later by the way but you know we get on the third tee and we've hit two left and were move your feet a little right so there's an inside no one knew that nobody i mean i was just fishing yeah yeah um it yeah things change the bills they could have got there this year too i know it seemed like i know yeah so we were to to to break the uh fourth wall fifth wall fourth fourth that we were so we're sitting here on friday before super bowl week and and when we were scheduling this the one the one thing that we said with the schedule i was talking to your guy josh was incredible at espn and he he said hey schwam's in for friday but if the bills make it he's gonna go he's gonna go to buffalo and he's gonna interview josh allen i was like that's something we can deal with we can deal with if he has to go if that means the bills are in it and he gets to sit down with josh allen that's you know no problem and it would have been great i I mean, it's just they just keep they just find ways to make it as tragic as possible.

1:55:25It really is something special. And I say special in the worst way possible. We're still not sure if that was an interception or a catch. I mean, I guess I couldn't believe what a hurry they were in to get playing like with a double parked outside the stadium. I'm not really just explain it to us. Yeah. Give us the moment to digest it, to watch, to come to our own conclusions and then and then break our hearts after that. I'd be okay with that. Yeah, I mean, you read the rule, and okay. And if it's called that, yeah, but let's all look. Yeah. And then the next day, Devontae Adams caught the same thing, and that was his catch.

1:56:02Yeah, yeah. I'm not speaking like a Buffalo fan that got jilted because it's borderline. But same thing in the next game, it was a catch. Yeah, yeah. We had a big debate with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk the other day because he's saying that the conference championship game should be played at a neutral site in a dome, out of the weather. We told Mike, get out of here with this. He's a fuckhead. He doesn't understand football. Well, I'll leave that up to you. Well, yeah, we'll say it. We'll say it so you don't have to. But the idea of more and more teams getting domes is a real thing that's happening.

1:56:37Forget about the neutral site stuff. It feels like we're losing snow football as a thing. There are a lot of people that were upset with the quality of play and the Broncos-Patriots game. like oh it's unwatchable me and big cat stand on the side of you should have to prepare for that as a coach the the different places that you have to travel to on the road getting the one seed should mean something like you have a hard place to go play keep that in the game and we shouldn't sanitize the game and make every game you know 72 degrees indoors zero wind what do you think about you know pretty much every franchise that's building a new stadium and the bills are an exception and god bless them for it they're not going to put it in a dome it's going to be outside But it does feel like the further we get, the fewer and fewer open-air stadiums and cold-weather cities we're going to have.

1:57:21How do you feel about that as a fan of the game? No, you've got to have it in the stadium sites. By the way, no indoor games the whole playoffs. I know. It's crazy. None. Including the Super Bowl. It's great. Yeah, I know. Including the Super Bowl. Yeah. So you can also get 40 degrees in Chicago in January, as you well know. And Denver, first half looked nice. so I would be completely against look an opinion is opinion it's not right or wrong this is a wrong opinion you're right but you're right more domed

1:58:01now it favors unfairly so if you look at it this way theoretically a team that's faster and neutral site It's not like you earned it. Hey, I'm an indoor track team, and I'm trying hard because most of the teams aren't as fast as us. You could build a team one way. You don't have to worry about having a team that can be diverse in how they play and win football games. I hate it. Yeah, I do too. I mean, you root for not ridiculous because I think of the fan experience, which I wish. Oh, I root for ridiculous. Listen, I root for ridiculous. The chaos is fun. Well, like the Kansas City, 20 people lost a finger.

1:58:48The Miami game. Yeah, but when the Rams were coming to Chicago, I went to that game. I was glued to the weather app all week being like, please get colder. Get colder, get colder, get colder. I want it as cold as possible because it is the element of an indoor team coming outdoors. So not part of it. So more kudos to the Rams who played five quarters in that after they went unexpectedly for them. Four quarters, barely won at Carolina, no knock on Carolina. And then Seattle loud and almost won that. So they earned my respect by the path that they had to take, but that included the weather of a West Coast team where it was also 80 in LA that week, not 60, which is the same if we're living where we do in Connecticut or in Chicago.

1:59:44But no, so the answer is no. You can't because the fans who've supported all year, oh, I'm Chicago. Let's say Seattle got beat by the Niners. I'm only going to get what you had two games. I get the number one seed and I get one game? Yeah. Well, no. Yeah. If Seattle had to play that game in L.A., yeah, that would have stopped. Yeah, or indoors at the Hoosier Dome, you know, at the drum, at the Lucas Oil drum. Yeah, championship game where the city has nothing to do with it? Yeah. No. You'd be bad. You'd be bad. And snow football is great. I mean, the tuck rule. You have the image of that game.

2:00:31Adam Vinatieri hit maybe the best kick of all time in that snow. I like a little bit of chaos. You said ridiculousness or chaos, whatever word you want to use. I do like chaos in playoff football. I think it's part of what makes the sport beautiful, and they should not take that away. And a different part of chaos. I am adamant about this, but I think the league is going to change this, not that part. That would have a long way to go to have championship games. until you hear the league start talking about stuff three years in advance and then we're going to move the Pro Bowl. This is when they played it to the dead week.

2:01:08Three years later, it happened. Here's the thing they're talking about. Why would Carolina have a home game? Keep it that way. It's like a baseball stadium with a short porch and right. I agree. Win your division. You know what? And from a competitive, why should they? We should reseed everybody because – no, no, no, no, no, no. If you are not good enough to go into eight and nine and win, you're not winning the Super Bowl anyway. Right. That would be my point. I like the idea, and I know this is – people who disagree with this. I like the idea that when the season starts, goal number one, win your division.

2:01:46That's it. Win your division. Win the teams that you play the most, and then you go from there. And so I think there's some years that it's going to be weird and you're going to get screwed. Some years it will go bounce your way. Like Seattle played in a division this year where it was the toughest division in football. The Beastquake year, didn't they win it at 8-8? 7-9. 7-9. So, yeah, it happens both ways. And they were the defending champs. Right. And apparently they weren't good enough because they would have lost somewhere else. I mean, one of the many brutal Sean Payton losses in the playoffs.

2:02:19I mean, there's a long – I'm not saying that he's a friend of mine. I mean, he has a lot. But that was it. Like, that was an – back story of that, three weeks to go in that season because that division was terrible, obviously, the NFC West. I told Tom Jackson to Tommy, 14 things have to happen for the seahawks who were at the time maybe two weeks ago five and nine five and nine to tell me 14 things i figured it out 14 things have to happen for them to host the championship game he goes what what do you why would you waste your time well i was up late whatever, you know, doodling. Yeah. 13 of them happened, by the way.

2:03:08Like, they won the division, they beat the Saints, and Aaron Rodgers knocked the Bears out. No, not the Bears out. Aaron Rodgers knocked, they were six. Yeah, yeah. And knocked Dallas? Probably. Probably. Yeah, yeah. And Seattle came to Chicago, was a really close game, by the way. And Chicago won. Yeah. Yeah. And so, therefore, Green Bay came to Chicago as the two or the three. But Seattle at four would have been ahead of the six. Yeah. He goes, 13 of 14 happened. So, chaos, I'm with you. Chaos is great. It's also like we're just too reactionary in general now where it's like, oh, this thing happened.

2:03:53We have to react to it. We'd become basically the college football playoff where every year they're just going to change the rules. And they're going to tinker with it. No, no, the rules are fine. They'll be fine. Okay? Not that things don't need massaging, like the process and apparently Hall of Fame voting. That might be one of them. But, yeah, chaos. It's a good way to put it. Yeah. Chaos. I think the Packers beat the Falcons that year. I think the Falcons were the one seed. Could be. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was all the things happened. Dallas was a good guess. Yeah, yeah. Dallas is happening.

2:04:30brian catch and yeah they all the years just kind of yeah how do you how all the years just blend together do you have those moments or you're like i i sometimes i'm just like i think that happened wait no i don't know if that happened or what year was that wait to get my age and you go what did i have for breakfast i think it was an omelet i'm not sure yeah uh no and as soon as you pick des brian oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's right you put it in your head you're like oh yeah football this every year you're reminded right we had more comebacks from whatever I don't even need the stats by the way back to the chaos if you're going to keep homogenizing it now we're next gen statsing it okay recommendation go for it it's always go for it is it raining or snowing in the third quarter for the right to go to the Super Bowl or is this September nice fourth and three down by four no don't take all the chart out right do I and then I love one of the networks puts up they go farther they go with the recommendation not all of them do they just save recommendation couple times I saw one of the playoff games toss up yeah how's your gut feeling are there face cards left I'm playing blackjack Geez, I've seen a lot of twos and threes and fours I'm going to double down Oh, I came with a four Well, okay, but your odds were a little better But your gut told you, go for it We're due We're due Double down It's a tough thing to say They're going to bust Preaching to the choir Do you have a touchdown score for us in the Super Bowl?

2:06:17Oh, we had the one What was the one that I almost And it would be called Scantling. Oh, Scantling. He got one, but it wasn't the first one. Anytime. You want to go back? Max hit a Jake Bobo. I think he had two catches on the year, and his third catch in the season was a touchdown. And the kid that caught the two-point conversion that got them the home seat, Eric Saubert, had four. Yeah. Crazy. He's not going to be. Okay, so we need an off the. I'm not going to give you JSN or I'm not going to give you Stevenson or Diggs, right? Because you could do that. Yeah. Yeah. Cat might be out of the bag on Bobo, too, because that was such a great route that he ran.

2:07:02Yeah. That was a legit play. He broke him down. I feel like everybody's going to be betting Bobo now. Yeah. But for the record, I am also going to be betting Bobo. But yeah, don't include him. I mean, so his odds are astronomical, right? I mean, I haven't seen him yet. We might have changed the Bobo odds, honestly. We're talking about him so much. Max, you got about 30 to 1? 35 to 1. 35 to 1. I wouldn't be shocked. It was live. I wouldn't be shocked if he was like four and a half to one. No, he's going to be higher than that. But he's still going to be in like the – you got catches, Max. Get the touchdowns up.

2:07:32Yeah, let's take a look here. Touchdown scores. Let's see. I'm going to think of an off the chart. 10 to 1 on the draft. Oh, 10 to 1. Okay. 10 to 1, that's it? Jake Bobo? Bobo. The first score, not any score. No, it's any score. It's any score. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because MBS didn't get the first one. Yeah. If he scores, can you call him Bobo Cop? You can call him whatever you want. Okay. Call him Bobo. I'm a Bobosexual. I'll leave that to your show. Okay. Listen, we're just cable. Yeah, we get a little loose in it. There's some things that we say in our boomers on Monday mornings. And I want to go with a couple of your nicknames this year that you might have, like the Purdy one, which was – I give you credit every time I use it.

2:08:21But first score. So if I'm picking the Seahawks to win, which I did, but by the way, it doesn't have to get the first score. The first score of the game that killed Denver was a safety. So I don't forget who got credit. That was a team – Yeah. Oh, first touchdown you're talking. Yeah, first touchdown. So I'm thinking, do I really step out and pick a defensive player? Do I pick, like, okay, they could either force a fumble and Marcus Lawrence picks it up and goes in, or does Witherspoon pick six? He doesn't have a lot of pick sixes, but he's really good. Again, I'm not eliminating the Patriots.

2:09:06You could do Gonzalez that way. I mean, Sam has turned it, you know, I mean, or here's a fumble and it's picked up by... But I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do Spillane. I mean, I think he's healthy enough to play. I don't know that. So do I pick a Seattle defensive player? Because those will be good numbers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, first score, just Seattle. You get every Seattle player. You have 35 to 1. Or no, sorry, 22 to 1. Meaning what? Any? If they just score. If the Seattle defense scores first. Seattle defense. Defense scores first. Just do it. 22-1. Just do it. Okay. Just do it.

2:09:42I'll do it anytime. Well, because I want to give you one that's – Yeah. I mean, then the defense is why they're there. Yeah. Okay?

2:09:55So let's go with it. Okay. Any player, huh? All right. I'll give you a story I may have. I keep talking Seattle, but, you know, I haven't had a chance to do it. So on the Denver one in New York, Thursday, I'm in the lobby of whatever hotel I'm in. guy no nice guy middle of the day one o 'clock two o 'clock hey Chris how you doing I saw you pick the swami you pick Seattle with the three or four or whatever it was yeah I think I think so you know whatever he goes well let me tell you two bets I made you don't know me and I never saw this guy again and he said well the first one is I bet which you can safety is the first score in the game Okay, that's possible.

2:10:40Figuring holding penalty at the four-yard line more likely. Either team. Says, I got one more that I went for. Because Denver scored 600 points that year. Or whatever the number was. Yeah, yeah. So there was odds that Denver by 24 or more. You know, whatever that was. And that's a big number. I mean, 24 against a good Legion of Boom. I bet Seattle by 24 or more. I said, hold on a minute. Now, let me now sit and think about how that could happen. Yeah. It had nothing to do with, by the time Percy Harvin returned the kick, it was already done. Yep. I went, okay, so you're saying Peyton Manning, they get like 16, and Seattle's got to get like 40.

2:11:26Or 13, and they got to get 37 to 13. I never saw the guy again. I'm sure he's retired. on winning those two bets. That was a ballsy bet. Yeah, that was a very good day for him. I had one last question for you. Again, Schwann, we can't thank you enough for doing this. It's our favorite thing we do every single year. It's a rollback question, RHOBACK.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. So you said maybe throw you a couple boomers that maybe you could use. I just have one, and I think you could use it both ways. it's Sam Donald Schwarzenegger and I think you could go if the Seahawks lose maybe a shot of him walking off the field and you say I'll be back baby and then if they go up by two scores late hasta la vista you could use it many see a nickname that keeps giving like that that's extra credit you could use it both ways that's extra credit baseball I had a couple like that Mike Felder depends where he played in the alpha.

2:12:36He was either left, center, or right Felder. But Jim Gott, who was a pitcher, four. Jim Gott the win. Jim Gott the save. Jim Gott the loss. Or Jim Gott no decision. But that space. The interchangeable ones. I know I'm all over the map here, which I hope you don't mind. No, of course you love it. And by the way, before I forget, there isn't a week that I don't get stopped in an airport by all ages. It doesn't have to be 30-year-old male. It had nothing to do with it. Like, I love you on Pardon My Take, by the way. Like I said, but it's October. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's October. They've had a few people on since.

2:13:24It's our favorite compliment. It's our favorite. Whenever someone tells us that, we had Mark Schlereth, who's been a good friend of ours. He says he won three Super Bowls. And he says, if I get stopped 10 times, seven of them are about us and Mark. We did piss our pants with him. But that's our favorite compliment to get. Well, I'm giving it to you. It's not about, oh, I was a good guest. Yeah, they don't hear me all the time. I don't have a point of view every day of the week. But it's a compliment to what this show, and I'm not blowing smoke. It's a compliment to what this show has not evolved into.

2:13:58It was been from the start, but you're about, you're humorous. You have your takes, obviously. You might annoy people with your opinions, but it's always based on we love football. Yeah, it is. And it just jumps through, if you're on camera, or obviously it jumps through a podcast you're driving down the interstate, and it's, these guys love football, and they're coming from a place that I ought to listen. and so I really respect that people go how do you hook up with those guys well we couldn't do it right away for obvious reasons but whatever but yeah you guys treat me like I'm royalty which I am not you are the definition of this is fun doing me a favor I don't prime time I can't squeeze the last hour and a half in all these comments about well the Super Bowl 11 years ago Jermon Kirst caught it right and his butt was right in front of my feet You know, when you just bounce.

2:14:56So here's a nickname. Carolina gives you, like, we had the Chuba Missile Crisis. Yeah, that was a great one. All time. So the young man that caught, I think it was nine, in the playoff loss for Carolina to the Rams, Jalen Coker, from Holy Cross. I met a guy in your hallway from Worcester. Couldn't miss him. He had Patriots garb on left and right, which is fine. Where are you from? I'm from West. I said, yeah, okay, I know where it is. It's an hour and a half from where I live. I got it. And from Holy Cross, Jalen Coker. So I thought of it, and I used it only on that primetime. So I think it's only been on once.

2:15:37Jalen, I'm a smoker. I'm a toker. I'm a midnight coker. I catch my passes on the run. Complete the sentence. That's perfect. And I had to speak in Charlotte, and I debuted it with them, and they went nuts. Oh, that's incredible. I love that. I don't know if it's quite, Jake, daylight coming, you got a DeLone. No, well, there's some. Yeah, Natron means business. Well, we have a few. Yeah. The other that we had, we're big fans of Tyler Shuck. We've been watching Shuck all year. Yeah. Kind of fell in love with Shuck. Why not? At one point in the season, I think I did Thundershock, like ACDC. Very good.

2:16:14And it was a big time mistake on my part. Why? Because I kept doing Thundershock. And then just now before you came in the studio, I realized it should have been you shuck me all night long. So you can have that one. Because that's everyone knows that song, even if they don't remember who it is. Everyone all night long. That's a good one. Shuck me all night. If you want to get up into the Brian Johnson register and give a little screech. That's a good one. All right. In the pocket for and he I, you know, our shocks is too easy. although I probably said it. And then, oh, at halftime, one of the fastest three, when I had three minutes and maybe a minute, I don't get to squeeze it all in, but that's promoting a Disney movie.

2:16:59Those are played in fields way above me. By the way, I love it when that happens. So you sometimes do three minutes, sometimes three minutes. Usually three, but... And then there was one time where it was one minute. And I just, I love you when the camera cuts in, you're like, well, I guess we're going to do one minute. And you can tell, like, this, I do not like it, but I'm going to be a good soldier. Well, one time I brought a shoehorn on. Yeah, that's right. I was going somewhere and I forgot. It was like your nickname. He shucked me all night. Oh, shuck. We won in Saints. One play. We're not going to show three from the Saints Falcons.

2:17:39That was probably it, right? He's not shucking oysters. He's shucking the Falcons. Why not? I love it. I love it. That was a good one. Listen, but you guys, I know it's early in the week. You'll have your picks later in the week. You can tell me off mic. I see. I know not to blow the... That's what we call a tease. You just had your birthday. You're still giddy. Oh, yeah. So giddy to turn 41. Getting giddy with it. No, no. 41. What a birthday. 41. Honestly, I'll give you this speech because our daughter's 40 and my son's about to be 39 in a few months. 40 was one of my favorite birthdays. I know you're 41 now.

2:18:24Big Cat is. I turn 41 tomorrow. By the time this runs, there's no turning back. We're both 41. You're halfway through your life. Hopefully not quite. You're not quite into the... You're still putting on nine. You're halfway through. About to get the hot dog. Honestly, I tell this to my kids and my daughter was very upset around 40 dad you know this and that no no how you doing professionally okay you guys are doing great personally family however you're are we are we happy with ourselves and i was at 40 yeah you know professionally and personally by that point kathy and i you know both kids were born so um um no i think we're a good number we're saying it's something that happens around 40 where it might be because of my kids but it's a lot of, listen there's a lot going on in the world care about the things that you can control everything else, let it go and I've gotten good at that where it's like if I can't control it, if I can't control how people think about me, if I can't control this situation if I can't control that no time, no time spent on it I feel like I've been having a midlife crisis my entire life, so I'm well rehearsed for this, I'm ready for it Yeah.

2:19:42Can you give us one whoop on the way out? Oh, I mean, that's almost, what do we call, status quo de rigueur to speak French one last time on the show. Yeah. I mean, you want a cosmic one? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, I've enjoyed my stay here with you guys as always. Have a great Super Bowl. And if all else fails and things aren't going great, watch your ears. you can always do what the Schwamm thank you so much we love having you here proud of you guys appreciate it okay let's wrap up the show we got some story time some real good story time so you guys left on Friday we did Chris Berman the Schwamm which was phenomenal I seriously can't stress enough like how much i enjoy having him come on the show once a year and he flew to us and came in our studio it was so much fun and then after that you guys had a flight at five o 'clock to go to san francisco to play spyglass he left the office right after we wrapped with chris burman you guys didn't leave chicago till what 10 p.m about yeah 8 39 something in there so what happened well first of all back to the chris berman thing whenever chris comes on the show we spend about like an hour having a conversation with before he does the podcast and then about an hour afterwards talking we did like three hours worth of podcast oh yeah with chris berman only one got recorded yes um but it was awesome having you gotta pinch yourself every time you're sitting in the same room as the schwamm so then we get to the airport there was a snowstorm in chicago on friday so we got there plenty of time these guys are just laughing at us i think it's the set up.

2:21:33Max was just aggressively pointing in memes his face. I don't like to know why. They're very distracting today. What's going on? Continue. Continue. This ties in after. You're not allowed to gesture unless you're going to talk. When you guys laugh in there when we're telling something and it's not funny, we have to stop and be like what are we laughing at? We want to laugh too much. We want to laugh too. Memes is just too happy of a guy. Max just looked at me and said I'm going on the attack. See that should be shared. I'm going on the attack should be shared. Everything that I say, I want people to know that Hank and I have had a great last two days together and we're boys thick as thieves.

2:22:12Again, lockstep. Hank week. He was being such a fucking bitch on Friday. Such a fucking bitch on Friday. We got to the airport. He started saying like, you guys better let me nap. I need to nap on this plane. And me and Max kept being like, you can nap. You are free to nap at any time. He's like, because we're going to get there. Then we're going to have a two hour drive and it's not going to be safe for me to drive if I haven't taken a nap yet. And Hank was just absolutely becoming a terrorist, threatening us. Okay. How many times did you get mad at us for not allowing you to nap after we had told you we wanted you?

2:22:48That is such a crazy way to describe what I was doing. It is an accurate way. I was just saying this no-naps policy might have to be revisited for the safety of all of us, which was, again, me looking out as a kind person looking out for you guys. And we said, we want you to nap. They were texting and saying, please nap. Sly little faces like PFT. I know how he does it where he's like, gets me on the record. You're not going to nap. You're not going to nap. You shouldn't nap. Everybody won't want you to nap. And I said, I gave my word. I'm a man of my word. One thing about me, I always keep my word.

2:23:16I said I would not nap. So I was like, fuck. I wish I had said I couldn't nap because we got a five-hour flight and then a two-hour drive and we're delayed six hours. A nap would be nice. But you ended up napping. I never napped. You charged up? I charged up for a little bit. But Hank, you were the one that said you would stop napping. You can't put that on me. You said that. We were walking, talking. Max was giving us a tour of the airport. Oh, that's the other one. We got new Max lore. New Max lore for the files. Max is an excellent traveler. Yeah. Excellent traveler. We got to the airport, and we're in Terminal 1.

2:23:53We got hours to kill now. And Max gives the lay of the land for the entire airport. He's like, there aren't that many good restaurants in Terminal 1. We got to go to Terminal 2 for those. And then he knows where every Delta United club is. He'll be like, yeah, there's another club that's on this side of the terminal. What restaurants did you hit? Well, we went to Chili's. Chili's was overcrowded. Both of them were. We couldn't get in. It's packed because it's Chili's. So in between terminals. Do you know where Summer House is? Yep, Summer House was full. Wicker Park Sushi and Seafood was also full.

2:24:25Yep, I know all these places here. It's great. So then we were going to go. I was like, we can go to this Chili's. It's smaller. I don't think we're going to be able to get in. There's also the Blackhawks bar. If you go right in the fork. And I was like, or we can go to the other Chili's. I think it's a little bit bigger. There's more of a chance that we can get a four top. He was a Tori on it. If we go to Terminal 3 for that Chili's. This is good. But then on the way to Terminal 3 Chili's, there was prime real estate at the Cubs bar. So we just. Is that the one next? Is there ice cream? In between Terminal 2.

2:24:55And there's ice cream right there? They do have ice cream. But we didn't have any ice cream. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, Max knows every restaurant at Chicago O 'Hare. It's good. Every single one. You need to. I travel a lot. Yeah, good traveling. But you also need to know, like, the Summer House one is like, people don't know that. Especially if you're traveling early, they have great breakfast sandwiches. Summer House is great. Yeah. So then Hank was just complaining. He was bitching about not being, he was asking people for a wheelchair because of his calf. That's not true.

2:25:18That's not true at all. We're just inventing facts. You know, I want to hear it all. I want to hear it all. Welcome to my world, buddy. Hank was literally being a bitch for five and a half hours nonstop. Max, you can back me up on this. Bad night. Bad time to be with Hank on Friday. Cap. I thought we had a good time. Yeah, me too. Because we were making fun of him. Me too. Okay. And then you guys all got on the plane, right? Then we got on the plane. Me and Hank did. And then Shane got on the plane. Yeah. So we settled in. All right. So I'll take over here. Okay. So this is what happened. Everyone ready for what happened?

2:25:55Yeah, I would love to hear what happened. We're on our way to the airport. We find out. We're all checked in. Everyone's checked in. We're in separate Ubers. We're in separate Ubers. We're chatting. Oh, shit. Is this like the Yankees, the 25 cabs? We've had a lot of shit. Hank had a lot of Patriots gear. A lot of golf clubs. So we find out our flight gets delayed. So then we're talking like, oh, should we move our flight? There's another one at this time that isn't delayed. Let's try and get on that. And then immediately, once that was even brought up, it was not even confirmed. I panicked, switched my flight to that.

2:26:27Max brought it up and then switched his flight before any answer. I panicked. I panicked. And then we were like, actually, no, we should go back to our original flight. So then I checked in for that flight, then went back to my original flight. And I thought that the original check-in would stay as my check-in for going back to the last flight. There was a lot of flight cancellations from what I have done research on this. Oh, okay. You've done research. I've talked to people that are in the know when there are a lot of flight cancellations. I got no more about that. It, it, they make the, the, the, the airlines make way more money by shipping heavy cargo rather than packing, packing the plane with people.

2:27:12So there was, there was a lot of heavy cargo that was stowed underneath the plane. So they kicked off every person who wasn't checked in at boarding because of a weight capacity. There were three people who I was waiting with. It was myself, a skinny Asian man, and an older small woman that they told the three of us that we were not going to be able to get on the plane because of weight capacity. I told that to the people. That is the story of what happened. Obviously, they liked them. Let's just do a live reading of the text. Yeah, I'm going to do it right now. I'm fine. We should do a live reading of the text thread.

2:27:47That is what happened. So Hank says, Hank says. That is what happened. You have spent like four days coming up with that story. That is a fact. Here we go. Here we go. Hank said, flight boarded. Max not boarded. PFT said, where you at, Max? Hank said, for those keeping track at home. And it's just a picture of Max's ass crack outside of the terminal. I don't know. That was Shane. Shane took that picture. Yeah. And Hank said, there's someone in F5, Max. Max said, holy shit. They booted me off this flight. Dude, what? That's PFT and Hank. I said, shut up. He said, I swear to God. PFT asked why. Hank said, is it full?

2:28:25He said, Max said, completely full. When I switch my seat, maybe someone won't show up. PFT said, Max said, this is insane. There's two seats. Well, I said it was completely full because I just assumed it was completely full. That they gave my seat away. But then when I checked, that's when I checked. Also, Max was like, I'm going to get F5 so I can monitor you napping. Yeah. So don't say that you were asking me now. Hank then said. That's why you wanted to be an F5. Fact or fiction. There's two seats open in first class. Max said, they said there's a weight limit. He said, when they switch my seat, they unchecked me in, which is absolutely insane.

2:28:59That's what I just said. She also told the small woman next to me there was a weight limit. That's what I just said. That probably made you feel a little bit better. Sure did. Hank said, I just watched a 600-pound man walk past me. and then max said there's now four people this has happened to uh and he went on they just keep saying they can't add anyone because of a weight restriction so you got weight limited yeah me the skinny asian guy and the and the older small woman we all got weight weight limited why do you keep bringing up race i was just painting a picture for the viewer of what of what the scene was so they kicked you off the plane and said there's a weight limit are those two facts correct no they didn't they didn't allow me onto the plane no because they said there's a weight no yeah yeah no i'm asking i'm just asking doing this thing of like creating a narrative that doesn't exist you texted this no yeah let's just let's just bully the guy who struggles with his weight let's it's really funny for all all the listeners let's just keep doing it i i did tell max i was like you probably shouldn't have put that in the text thread.

2:30:02But he's right. Everything Max says is right. I'm true. Oh, I'm now getting to me. I said, let's agree to not bring up the wait thing, and then I pledged to not bring it up on the show. Liar. Well, no, I just got to that part. Now I won't bring it up. Alright, yeah, good. Done. Great show. Numbers? Oh, we never did numbers. No, we didn't. We didn't. No. Yeah, the lottery balls. Who cares? So how was Spyglass? Spyglass was wonderful. Thank you. Credit to Hank. Again, after we landed, then Hank and I became great friends again, and we've had a great time ever since then. Did a great job staying awake the entire time he was driving down to Spyglass.

2:30:38Nice. So we got about two hours of sleep, woke up the next day. Hank demanded that he get the bed closest to the window so the sunlight could wake him up, but there's no sunrise until like 8 a.m. here, so there was no sunlight, but we're moving past that, and we got to the course. Had a great day. BFT. BFT. Kicked me out of my bed. I woke up. I kicked you out of your bed. Sorry. It wasn't your birthday yet. We did share. We shared a hotel room, which is wonderful. It was wonderful. PFT. I was up. I was making coffee. Might have spilled some water on PFT's clothes. I was an accident. Did not. But PFT, I'm like kind of waiting for him.

2:31:12Like hoping. I'm like kind of like. It's kind of the point where I'm like, we got to start moving. Like I'm all about sleep. And we had none. Well, you're all about golf over sleep. I was. But I was like, all right, let's. You should have seen how giddy Hank was off of zero sleep. I've never seen anything like it. Shocking. He was so happy. I mean, it was Spygots. One of the greatest courses of all time. Shout out to Pebble Beach for having us out. It was incredible, incredible day golf. But PFT, I'm like kind of waiting to, it's getting close to the point where I have to like start like shaking.

2:31:42We got to go. I'm just like, I'm making noise and just hoping he just kind of gets up. And I just hear him go, Mincy hasn't posted his concert review yet. I fell asleep thinking about it. That's the first thing he said. Because Mincy was having a great time at a concert. and he said, interview with these guys coming later. Oh. And I, so we. You fell asleep waiting for the interview? We spent the entire car ride to Spyglass. I'm refreshing Mincy's Twitter being like, this interview has to be coming soon. Oh, man. And then I woke up in the morning and still wasn't up. It was 3 a.m. Pacific time when we went to sleep.

2:32:15So he was looking at that from like 4 p.m. Central to 3 a.m. Pacific time, continuously asking, when are we getting the Mincy interview? I wanted the interview. I was looking forward to the interview. and I didn't see it when I woke up. So yeah, I'm sorry, Hank, that I was trying to support. No, it made me laugh, really. I was trying to support a co-host. It was like, I wonder if PFG's awake, and all of a sudden I just hear sign of life. Mincy hasn't posted his concert review yet. But no, it was a great day. I appreciate Hank setting that up. Great way to spend the birthday. It would have been the best birthday of my entire life.

2:32:47It was almost the best birthday, hands down, of my entire life. It was so close to being the best birthday of my entire life. 15 inches. I missed a hole-in-one by like a foot. Oh, that would have been incredible. By like a foot. And then, yeah, it was so cool. It was a great course. Yeah, but that would have been insane. But getting a hole-in-one on Spyglass. On your birthday. Never tell me anything. On your birthday. Yeah. With a plaque. Oh, it would have been great. Yeah, I would have done a lot of stuff. That would have been so sick. Yeah, it's been awesome hanging out with Hank. He's in a great mood.

2:33:17If it's not golf, it's just, you know, getting ready for another Super Bowl, hopefully win. You know, it's about 50-50 with the Patriots, historically. but he feels like this is his season. I mean, we had fun. It's fun road tripping with the boys. We had some time today. We did some sightseeing, tourism stuff. It's been a fun couple days. There you go. Are you mad at me? No, I'm good. Happy. I want to say for the record, everything that Max said is 100 % true. Yeah. But you also shouldn't have texted to the group thread. Wait a minute. You don't let me on because of William. Your ass crack was also out when Shane was passing you to Boyd's Lassam.

2:33:57My ass crack is always out. It's always out. He's got a high ass crack. It's not his fault. You just, there is no, if you're taking a picture of me from behind, my ass crack is out. Yeah, his eyes are up here. How can we celebrate Sidney Sweeney for her cleavage and we make fun of Max for his? Great point. Great point. Thank you, Mr. Commenter. Thank you, Max. Great point. Mr. Max. We had a fun day and yes, Naps. Yes, Naps. Max is napping. I've been napping so much. He was sleep talking yesterday. snoring sleep talking oh yeah max sleep talked a little bit in the in the car you sleep talk too sometimes oh yeah all the time well i don't know the time when you got mad at us well no that's old me that was when i napped yeah i've i've come around watching you nap like i said earlier has made me never want to never want it's so disgusting watching him nap you napped you you normally are the first team all napper but then yeah coach rabel's taught me the way yeah so even after the Super Bowl?

2:34:50We'll revisit it after the Super Bowl. Yeah, come on. Yeah, this week's no naps. All right, we'll do random number generator to finish the show. What do you guys got? 100. 7. 14. 0 to 100? 0 to 100. 1 to 100. 50. What were you going to take? Jonah's got 23. 98. I was going to take 14. I'll go 23. Ready? Zach, did you guess? What'd you guess? 14. Colton, what'd you guess? 30. 97. 96. Oh. Damn. You wouldn't want it. Damn. Yeah, that would be tough. It'd be tough to win this one. Why? Why? Because you don't want to waste wins. Yeah, you try to claim it as an actual victory. You can't burn wins right now.

2:35:40You can't burn wins right now. Only guy with a win this year. And Jack. And Jack. alright Super Bowl week it's gonna be a fun week go Pats go Pats baby love you guys happy birthday to Steven Che and Shakira

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