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31:16But I thought about it in my head when we got to like week nine. But week 15, like, it's it. We're looking at it. We have as many regular season weeks left as we do playoff weeks. So that's like we're in the playoffs. Yeah, we got some clinching stuff going on this weekend. We also have a very funny slate of no buys. Obviously, buys are over. But we have a very funny slate of some really good consequential games and then some 13-point spreads. Which I'm okay with. I'm okay with having a few very, very important games. I think there's a couple games this weekend where we've got two teams that are vying for the one seed that are on massive winning streaks.

31:57Yeah. That are both underdogs this weekend. So let's start with it because we have the Bills and the Patriots. That is probably going to be TV, Little TV. Gotta be. Yeah, TV1. Bills, well, the only other one would be Ravens-Bengals, but I agree. I think this is TV one. This is it. This is a big matchup. Bills-Patriots. Patriots are one-and-a-half point underdogs. Over-under is 49-and-a-half. Did you know, Hank, that in their matchups, Drake May is 3-0 against the spread versus Josh Allen? I did know that. It's pretty good. He's the only QB 3-0 against the spread or better versus Josh Allen. Now, that's obviously not straight up, but he did beat them straight up earlier this year, which feels like forever ago.

32:41But that was also the moment that it felt like the torch was passed. Do you think there's a chance the torch gets passed back? That would not happen. If the Patriots lose, the torch is not getting passed back. That's not how it works. You've been very consistent about that. Because I agree with you. I think that the torch could get passed back. That's just not how it works. How does it work? Explain it to us. The torch has been passed, and that's it. It's over. Yeah. So the torch is going to die with Drake May. Yeah, that's how it happens. Memes has got something to say. Think about the Great Wall of China.

33:12Joe Milton won that game. Joe Milton. That's a good point by Memes. We're talking about the torch passing game, Memes. I apologize. I apologize. You're right. But, Hank, no. The torch will have to be passed to somebody. You remember Lord of the Rings when they have to light the beacon and it goes from boom to boom to boom? Yeah, I remember the boom to boom to boom. It doesn't get passed back. It just keeps going. Drake May has a torch, and then it will go until he passes it to someone else. But wait. What happens if the Bills – so this game is a t-shirt and hat game for you guys. Yep. The Bills, if they win this game and then the Patriots catch – if the Bills have to win out and the Patriots have to catch another loss, I think they would – do they have the tiebreaker?

33:53Because it would – I don't know what the tiebreaker would be. I'm not sure how that tiebreaker would work. I think it would be – The Bills are technically still alive in the division. In-conference record? Would it not be? Is that the first one? And the Bills have – This is things losers worry about. I'm not even thinking that part. Well, we're trying to figure this out, how the Bills could still win the AFC. They have a hard road to win the AFC East. I'm just asking if the Bills could win the AFC East, would you still say the torch was passed? If it was in conference, by the way, if it was a conference record, it would be to the Bills because they have one NFC loss.

34:27The Patriots have – this would be their third AFC loss and then saying like they lost to the Ravens or something. Yeah. What is it? The tiebreaker for the AFCs comes down to head-to-head record, then division record, common opponents, and conference record. Oh, so actually it would actually be Patriots if they end up with the same because the Bills lost to the Dolphins. Huh. So you guys are going to win the AFCs. Hank, if the Bills won, I think you could say that it was a premature call of the torch passing on your part. Nope. Is that what you're saying? No. But it can't go back? What if the Bills beat the Patriots and the Bills win the division?

35:02If they win the division, then we can have the conversation, but that's not going to happen. Okay, but is that conversation going to be the torches going back to Josh Allen, or I fucked up, I was wrong in saying that the torch was ever passed? It would be that I fucked up, I was wrong, the torch was ever passed. Okay, so Hank, I want to tell you something. I'm moving on from the Drake May 300 thing. Oh. Even though I think he's probably going to do it this weekend, but truthfully. Wow. Truthfully, I looked into it. The stat doesn't really mean anything at all. it's an arbitrary number he's averaging like 280 yards a game or i think it's like 265 but he's averaging a whole lot of yards per game so who really cares if you go past 300 the number doesn't mean anything i'm done trying to pick apart drake may to make myself feel better because i was looking into the patriots well i'm being honest i know i know i'm waiting i'm There has to be a...

35:58No, no, no, there's not. I'm on the edge of my seat for the rest of this. No, I'm super impressed with the Patriots this year. I think that the Patriots... Mike Vrabel is a great coach. He should be coach of the year. Mike Vrabel, he's got his team playing for the first seed. The top number one seed in the AFC. And the last time he did that was with the Titans. Back in 2021. This is what it is. So I compared the two teams because I was like... A lot of similarities here. The quarterbacks. You got two 6 '4", 220-pound guys. Ryan Tannehill, Drake May. Tannehill, incidentally, only threw for over 300 yards once that whole season.

36:37Again, showing you 300 doesn't make a difference. Drake May could still do that. Which he still could. And Tannehill was an awesome quarterback that year. People were talking about him like, this guy is the future. He's the real deal. They both have Harold Landry at outside linebacker. Oh, wow. Same guy. They both lost the first game of the season and then overcame that, went on a little tear. Both great defenses against the run. The Patriots allow four yards per carry. That Titans team allowed 3.9. Which, by the way, just as a side note, this is I feel like Milt Williams being out is the – this might be where it pops up because James Cook wasn't going to pop up against the Giants.

37:20This could be the game where James Cook goes, you know, has a very nice game. I think the Bills have the number one rushing offense in the league. But keep going. Sorry. Okay. So overall, the Titans were the second best run defense. The Patriots are the third best right now. Passing defense, you guys had the edge on that one. You allow 6.8 yards per pass. The 2021 Titans allow 7.1. So you've got the edge on that one. He's fake sleeping. The Titans, they had 23 rushing touchdowns in 2021. The Patriots are on pace for about 17. uh the titans averaged 21 first downs per game that year great offense patriots averaged 20 first downs so they're very similar teams and it goes to show you that mike frable is the one commonality he's a great coach i will never not believe in a mike frable team he's shown that he can do it back in 2021 the tennessee titans got the number one overall seed in the afc that year and i think what the patriots are doing this year it's going to be the same you're going to get that top seed behind the leadership of your great head coach, Mike Vrabel.

38:26And so I'm done being a hater. Great. That's great news. I'm done being a hater. Thank you for that. Yep. Thank you for your endorsement. What happened with that Titans team? I actually didn't look up and see. I remember that they got the number one. All those stats, what number one seed they must have won it all. They lost their first game to the Bengals in the playoffs that year. But that's irrelevant of what I'm trying to do, Big Cat. I don't know why you have to be negative about it. I was just asking a question. Yeah, I remember I bet the Titans in that game, and Tannehill threw those three picks, and it was just like, how does he keep throwing those picks?

38:57Yeah, I mean, you got to do it in the playoffs. That's the thing. It's like regular season, great. Do it in the playoffs. Agreed. By the way, the Bills are, since 2020, they're 19-3 in the month of December. So they're one of these teams. We talked about it last week with the Packers. They're one of these teams that gets better late as the season goes along. And Josh Allen is four touchdowns away from 300 career touchdowns, which would make him the first player ever to hit 300 touchdowns before the age of 30. Wow. That's pretty crazy. That is, yeah. How do you feel about this game? I think the Patriots are going to win, but if we're being honest in the trust tree, the fact that they are underdogs, There's like five of what feels like the biggest sucker underdogs on the board this week.

39:48Patriots, again, if I remove my bias from the situation, would be one where they're playing so good. Yeah. Their 10-game win streak, MVP, quarterback, great defense at home against a team they already beat that's not playing the best right now. They should be favored. The fact that they're not is scary. Everyone's going to look and be like, wait, the Patriots are way better than the Bills. They're underdogs. Smash the Patriots. Smash it. Is this almost like the Big Ten championship game where whichever team wins, that guy's more likely to get the MVP? What? Like Big Ten championship game. I think Stafford screws that up.

40:26The winning quarterback. He's saying the Heisman. For the Heisman. But Josh, it's not between Josh Allen and Drake May. Yeah, Josh Allen is definitely in it. But they're not 1-2. Stafford's in it, yeah. They're not 1-2, but Josh Allen is definitely back in it. If it was the Patriots-Rams. I would say yes. It's Stafford right now, Drake May, Jordan Love, Josh Allen. Those are the four. So no, bad comparison. But between those two, I would say that whoever wins this game might have a better chance. Duh. Duh. Oh, you got dud. That's pretty much what I'm saying. You got dud, PFT. Damn. That was a good dud.

40:59That was a good dud. We needed that. The dud was solid. If one of these quarterbacks plays good and their team wins the game, against the other one in a head-to-head matchup, you dumb shit. It's not how – that's not how – no. You don't think head-to-head not living? Do you think Sane and Mendoza, do you think that game mattered for the Heisman? I think it mattered a little bit, yeah. I think what PFT is trying to say is that whoever wins this game is going to end up finishing second to Matthew Stafford and MVP. Matthew Stafford and Drake may have been flip-flopping. They're week by week. Obviously, Drake may didn't play last week, but – It's really going to be – it's the dumb – I actually hate that this is how awards have worked in football now because the Heisman coming down to the Big Ten Championship and being like, whatever quarterback wins, the MVP in the NFL is just whichever quarterback has the one or two seed.

41:49That's really it. It's not really much more than that, which is kind of stupid. So, Drake May, you said he would go to 3-0 against the Bills. He is 3-0 right now against the spread. Against the spread. And then Joe Milton was the quarterback last year. Yeah. He started, but yeah. Trick may start and then got hurt in that game. So it starts 3-0 against spread. The Bills on defense have been very good against the pass. Christian Binford. Here's a crazy stat about Christian Binford. He allowed zero catches to Jamar Chase. He was matched up with him 16 times. He has now held Chase, Emeka Abuka, DK Metcalf, and Drake London to a grand total of zero receptions this year across all those receivers.

42:38He's also the only player in the NFL this season with two interceptions, two sacks, and two defensive TDs. And they were back-to-back, right? Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited to see Josh Allen. He hasn't played in a game like at Foxborough in these circumstances where Foxborough is going to be rocking. it is uh it does feel like should be a night game this game should be Sunday football I agree whatever I think like if the Patriots had lost this is really obvious but if the Patriots lost the first matchup I would I would like the Patriots in this game but the fact that they won it it's like I just I think these when you have two really good teams in division they feel like they they split but yeah and this is what I will you know why like when you ask me about the teams I'm worried about it's this is the reason where it's like Josh this is a proven team the Bills are proven successful juggernaut team Patriots want to get there this is a game but it's going into it it's it's you know I'm not at like 100 % confidence this is definitely a win for us if you lose this game will the sky be falling a little bit no it depends it's similar it's it's it's it's the same comparison I'd say to the the Bears Packers where it's like if it's a close loss that can be built upon.

43:49If it's a blowout, there might be some cracks in the sky. But I don't think it's a good loss. Because the Packers-Bears game last week, I said after the game... It was a good loss. But if the Bears had continued to play like they played in the first half, in the second half, it would have been a little sky is falling. Right. Because it would have been like, whoa, we're not even close. But you just need... Yeah, you need... Worst case scenario, it's got to be close. I do think it's going to be a close game. And they have to be in the fight and fighting. Can I flip my advisor's pick to the over in this game?

44:19I would like to officially. I don't know. All right. So I'm saying this before advisors comes out. I've thought about it more. I cannot bet the. Might be snowing. I can't bet the under in a Drake May versus Josh Allen game. So I'd like to formally flip that. I do think that one and a half points for the Bills. That does seem a little fishy, doesn't it? Very. Very fishy. Like somebody knows something. Stu might know the score before it happens. Somebody might know something about this one. Okay. Okay, next game. So, official prediction? Patriots by two. Give us a score. 34-32. Oh, definitely over then.

44:56Yeah. Gotta hit you over. Live over two. That's actually terrible. 32 is an insane number or whatever. What? 34-32? 34-31. Oh, so Patriots by three. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Next game. Ravens minus two and a half at the Bengals over under 51 and a half. Are we a little nervous about Joe Burrow's comments in the press this week where I don't I don't want to guess how he's feeling, but yeah, it gave me some Andrew Luck vibes. He said, if I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. I've been through a lot. It's not if it's not fun. Then what am I doing it for? There's just a lot of things going on right now.

45:35I that was when I saw that I got instantly bummed out. Yeah, I was pretty bummed out. about it and i was like you know joe's a thoughtful guy sometimes he takes a while to think through his answers and he doesn't feel rushed up there and his cadence isn't always like the most gregarious or outgoing so maybe i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and then i saw it was also on his birthday that he said that and he's he did seem very bummed out for a birthday yeah that didn't seem like a birthday attitude from joe uh then everybody started pulling up all the stats of how much he got hit over the years compared it to Andrew Luck, and it's a pretty comparable rate.

46:13I think he's gotten sacked more than Andrew Luck despite having played way less games than him. It's taken a toll on Joe. Yeah. And I don't know if it's a unique problem to Joe Burrow. I would actually be surprised. If you were to ask every NFL player, do you have fun playing football? Well, I think winning is fun. Winning is fun. That's the problem. I think that this doesn't get said if they're 9-4, not 4-9. Right. But, yeah, I would say there's probably parts of the job that are not fun. Yeah, a lot of the job I think probably wouldn't be. Anytime you lose and then every season except if you win the Super Bowl, you just leave and you feel super bummed out for like three weeks.

46:54Yep. So I hope that Joe's doing okay. I know that he's a very confident guy. so if he's actually not having fun he'll just he'll feel like he's comfortable making the decision saying i'd like to not play football anymore yeah um but it bummed me out it did i don't i don't want to see joe burrow i don't want to lose joe burrow uh before yeah i just don't i like watching joe burrow play football i do too and there's i mean also a possibility that he could just not like playing football in cincinnati and yes and other people have had that same thought over the years other quarterbacks have had that same thought yeah so that could also be part of the equation yeah the Carson Palmer yeah if you wanted to go Carson Palmer instead of uh instead of the Andrew Luck vibe to it yeah but it did bum me out hearing him talk like that yeah big time uh Lamar he hasn't looked right but I actually think he played better in the second half against the Steelers and I'm thinking maybe and Lamar is one of those quarterbacks similar to Josh Allen and the Bills like he gets better as the season goes in terms of regular season he gets better as the season goes uh longer and longer and like in the end of the seasons he usually picks it up a little bit to a certain extent to a certain extent and then it goes too long and then it goes too long but they the the the ravens right now are in a situation where i think if they win on sunday they then control their own destiny is that right i think so they could also win the afc north at seven and ten yeah that's a possibility too if they beat the Steelers.

48:24They could get there. Yeah. So it's, you know, the Ravens have had a weird season that hasn't gone well, but they're still right there and they have everything in front of them. You're right, though. Like, Lamar does not, he doesn't look right and he's not nearly as fast as he has been. I saw a stat that was like in the weeks before he got injured this year, he was running at an average of like 15 miles per hour when he had the ball. And now it's down to 11 miles an hour. So I think after the season's over, we're probably going to get that classic, like, hockey players do this a lot or lebron james does this a lot right when the season's over we're gonna find out that lamar jackson like didn't have a hamstring this year right and he's gonna have to just like be immobilized for shit for about a month that all makes sense now uh i did our our weekly hit with the pittsburgh radio people on wednesday morning and they had a guest in studio do you know who that guest was who it was gene sterator oh which we should have him on the show we should have i like gene but i i did not know that he was gonna be on there but i had the opportunity to press him a little bit about what happened in that Raven Steelers game and uh and Gene was saying they applied the rule correctly but it's a shitty rule okay and uh I disagree with him on that because I think that likely continuing to extend the ball should count as a football act I'd agree because yeah he didn't initiate the football act after the second foot came down but he continued doing the football act he was already doing yes I don't know it's more of like a philosophical thing but then i asked him has the nfl considered doing the acc model or the epl model where they go to replay review and you get the entire behind the scenes aspect of it where you get to hear the guys talking about what they're looking at how they're evaluating it and he was like the nfl is never going to do that because they like having a little curtain there they don't want to see how the sausage gets you know you don't want to see how i think his words were you don't want to see the guy that looks like he's a 13 year old with an xbox controller that's controlling the replay on that.

50:16And he also confirmed that Butterworth is a real guy. Mark Butterworth is a real human being. But I also got the vibe from him that maybe the actual on-the-field refs don't necessarily respect the replay refs. They don't respect Butterworth. Well, the first thing that he said was, yeah, I mean, he's great at his job. He was never a real ref, never spent time on the field, actually refereeing the games. Oh, no. But he's very good, and those replay guys are very good at doing the replay. So I feel like there's a big beef between. There's just a bunch of button pushers. Yeah, you got the analog refs and the digital refs.

50:50And I don't think the analog refs have any respect at all for the guys behind the screen. They're just looking at screens, yeah. They're playing video games back there. We're out here. They look at themselves like NFL players look at themselves. Right. And then the guys behind the screen. That's like the fantasy refs. Put a jersey on. They haven't seen the field on a Sunday. Right. Yeah. They don't know the game speed. In a hostile environment. You've never been in a locker room? Yeah, they're nerds sitting in their mom's basement watching NFL games. You never checked for PSI before a game. You've never gotten rolled over by a running back going to the sideline.

51:24By the way, so obviously Joe Burrow beat Lamar Jackson on Thanksgiving night, but Lamar Jackson is 6-2 overall in the series. Here's the Lamar Jackson set that I was looking up. That's crazy. Lamar Jackson, anyone want to guess what his record is? weeks 15 through 18 in the regular season. There's a straight-up record. 15 through 18. Weeks 15 through 18. I'm trying to think how many years he's played. I'm going to say he is... It's 15 games. Okay. Because he's been injured some of the years. I think he's 13-2. 8-7. He's 15-0. Wow. 15-0 weeks 15 through 18. I thought that was a negative stat. No.

52:06It's pretty crazy. That's bad. Yeah, there's some years that he did get hurt. and had a couple like the what year was it I think there was a the 2021 season he had a loss in week 13 a loss in week 14 then got hurt so he didn't play weeks 15 through 18 he had two losses there so but that is pretty crazy when he's playing yeah it's pretty nuts and the Ravens are always the team that starts out super injured and then they get healthy as the season goes on backs against the wall the one thing with the Ravens that is you know the Lamar Jackson has not looked great and it's also the red zone offense so the red zone offense for the ravens in 2023 ranked seventh so 61.8 so when they get in the red zone they score a touchdown 61.8 of the time last year they were first 74.2 this year they're 30th 44.9 so worse than half half the time they get in the red zone they do not score a touchdown that's bad really bad that's where the that's where you can say that things have fallen apart.

53:10And, yeah, I'm still kind of buying Ravens stock, but I just – I don't know. They're just a weird – they're a weird team this year. You have them on a watch list right now. Yeah, I haven't watched this. All right. Do you think there's any possibility we would see John Harbaugh leave and go to Michigan? I do not. It would be cool. It would be cool. It would be cool. I do not, though. But it would be cool. Do you think that John Harbaugh is going to stick around in Baltimore if they don't make the playoffs? if they lose out. I feel like it's just they're... I can't... I feel like Tomlin and Harbaugh are a package deal.

53:46I know that sounds really stupid. They coach different teams. What about a trade? I'm saying in the... It's going to be like when an 89-year-old woman dies and then a week later her husband dies. They're going to leave at the same time naturally. But it's going to be more so like if the Ravens fire John Harbaugh, the Steelers are going to be like, oh, we didn't know we could do that. And then they'll do that with Tomlin. So one of them is going to make the playoffs, so I think both will survive this year. I think the Steelers are actually waiting for the Ravens and Harbaugh to move on. It's like a point of pride to them.

54:18It's like no matter what, we're going to keep them. We want this. He's going to stick around for at least a week after Harbaugh is gone. But I think both organizations don't even realize you can fire. Yeah. So next game is another big one. So these are the three big ones that we'll have in prominent spots on the TVs. Chargers to Chiefs. Chiefs minus 5.5 over under 41.5. Trap. All three. Three traps. I was going to say, I love the Chiefs in this game. And I'm saying that from a point of I'm not someone who's been chasing the Chiefs every single week. Last week, actually, on our best bets, I had the Texans.

54:55I liked the Texans last week. I thought that was a game that made no sense to me, that the Texans were going to be within a field goal no matter what. They ended up winning outright. This feels like a huge trap. Everyone watched the Chargers win on Monday night. Everyone watched the Chiefs lose on Sunday night. Now the Chargers are getting five and a half points? Huh? Chiefs by two touchdowns. It's pretty crazy because the Chiefs, it's a must win. If they lose, they could be out this weekend. Oh, yeah, no, they're out. It's not that crazy to be mathematically eliminated. If they lose and the Bills beat the Patriots, the Jags beat the Jets, and the Texans beat the Cardinals, then the Chiefs, as of Sunday, will be eliminated.

55:39And even if they lose, they won't technically be eliminated, but they will be eliminated. Pretty much, yeah. Because if you look at who's playing who, the Texans have a couple of games that they should definitely win. The Chargers have, I think, a game or two that they should win. I think they played the – well, the Broncos might not start in one week 18. That's actually what it's all gearing up to, which kind of sucks, that the way the Chiefs can get into the playoffs, they obviously have to win on Sunday, and they need the Chargers to lose another game and then lose to the Broncos week 18. Yeah.

56:11But there's a good chance the Broncos could be, whether they're the one or two seed, wherever it may be, they could be set in their seeding, not play anyone, and you know the Broncos would love to not play anyone to keep the Chiefs out of the playoffs. Yeah, so if Kansas City even wins out, if they win all their games, right now they're at a 46 % chance to make the playoffs. Because it's all about that Chargers-Broncos game. Because it's all about what happens at the end of the season. Yeah, like the Chargers, I was playing with the machine the other day, and the Chargers, who I believe, who do the Chargers have left?

56:42I know they have the Texans as one of their games, but I'm pretty sure the Chargers could lose their next three games and then beat the Broncos and still get in over the Chiefs. So do you think that the Chargers take their foot off the gas? I do not. Oh, yeah. So the Chargers play the Chiefs at Dallas, Houston, at Denver. Obviously not an easy schedule. But again, as long as they win that game against the Broncos, they're going to most likely be in, at least over the Chiefs. I'm interested to see what Justin Herbert looks like. Because on Monday, he did not look like he was comfortable playing football.

57:20No. He was okay running the ball. He was very gutsy, and at the end of the game, he kind of put it on his own shoulders. But I don't know if he's going to be super effective at throwing the ball downfield. Yeah. I think this might be the game that the Chiefs – because if you look at the Chargers, they've had an interesting season where they've had obviously some big wins, but they've also had – you remember that game against the Jaguars a few weeks ago where they got piled on? I think there's a chance this could be – And I'm calling my shots. This might look really stupid because the Chiefs have not given us any reason to think that they could do this.

57:56But it does feel like this is the spot and the line makes no sense. I agree. It's like, why is this five and a half? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. And again, it's the two. It's coming off two primetime games. You watch the Chargers win. You watch the Chiefs lose. You put them together. Shane said it when he was talking about at SoFi. No one was open for the Chargers. I don't know. and they can't block up front and the chiefs their defense their pass rush hasn't gotten home but they should get home against the chargers team that can't block i think mahomes gonna maybe do the dink and dunk down the field yeah i like the chiefs in this game did you know that philip rivers obviously returning for the colts this week he already returned this year at the start of the year he signed a one-day contract to retire as a member of the chargers oh wow what happens that one-day contract what guarantees is there any offset language are they gonna do it again they have to do another so after the season's over he's gonna re-sign a one-day contract they're gonna have to do it again Shane was saying that the Chargers should get compensatory picks I agree because he signed with the Chargers and then signed again with another team I agree Hank how much did the Chargers ever did they release them or put them on waivers there's one day it's a one day contract but a lot of times you retain the guy's rights like I mean look at uh I don't think so the guy from the lions five years ago yeah but he retired with a contract still going i'm just saying rivers wasn't on the chargers when he retired a one-day con yeah a one-day contract right that those aren't real well that's that's what max and i are talking about yeah like what kind of rights go along with the one-day contracts one day i would try to enforce some of those i would i'd file a grievance if i'm jim harbaugh how much are you hoping that that Patrick Mahomes doesn't make the playoffs.

59:42Not just because of... So much. Are you kidding me? Not just because of playing the Chiefs potentially, but also the stat that gets floated around now, which is a crazy stat that Tom Brady never took a snap in the NFL with his team eliminated.

1:00:25Yeah, I mean I hated the narrative going into the Super Bowl last year that Mahomes was going to be ahead of Brady if they won. They lost. Then they don't make the playoffs. He's kind of old, fatter, slower. Andy Reid's on his way out. Kelsey's on his way out. Tyree Killing walking through that door. It would be a real shame. Older, fatter, slower. Unlike Brady who sped up at the end of his career and added the second dimension of the running game. Yeah, but he was always a pass. He was always a gunslinger. You should sell that shirt, older, fat, or slower I don't like that you're body shaming him Yeah, I don't either He's a father I would argue that Patrick Mahomes is also a gunslinger Not anymore, have you seen him throw the deep ball this year?

1:01:08No, but you were like Tom Brady was always a gunslinger It's not like Patrick Mahomes was like a A rushing quarterback Also Comparatively speaking, he was Infinitely more dynamic with his feet than Brady was I haven't looked up the set. The early Mahomes MVP years, he was scrambling around, running around, getting first downs. I haven't looked up the set. That was a huge part of his game. What are we talking about? He did run for 60 yards on Sunday night. Patrick Mahomes might be the leading rusher on the Chiefs this year. Yeah, he still can run. It's not as fast. Okay. Because of the older, fatter?

1:01:42I think he's fatter, faster. Yeah. Older, fatter, faster. Harder to bring down. They're going to make the playoffs. They're going to win this game by 30. They're going to make the playoffs. You keep doing this. It's going to be Bills, Chiefs, Ravens. They're all going to be in. Let me look up these stats for Mahomes. I'm curious because he is running the ball a lot. Yeah, he ran the ball. I think he had 60-plus yards. He's no longer the leading rusher. Kareem Hunt has 545 yards. Patrick Mahomes is in second with 407 yards. Because every game, at least down this stretch, has been a playoff game.

1:02:13And you know one thing about Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs. He's going to use his feet to get first down. Yeah, he's averaging 6.6 yards per carry. It's pretty good. Older, fatter, faster. That's pretty damn good. It's all right. Okay. We're going to go into the games that are now higher spreads, starting with Browns at Bears. Bears minus 7.5 over under 38.5. It's going to be cold. It's going to be cold. Yeah. Wind chill. Then it's going to get warm again on Monday. I guess. I kind of had the moment where I saw that stat about the weather in Chicago, and it didn't hit me that that was the weather that I would be living in.

1:02:50I was like, oh, that's going to be miserable. And then I was like, a couple hours later, I was like, fuck. We're going to be sitting on our couch. That's where we live. On Sunday, I think it was like negative four was the low. Maybe 12 was the high. But the wind chill is probably going to be like negative 10. Zach, what about 46 on Thursday? 46 on Thursday is we got to get to Thursday. Yeah, we got to get to Thursday. There's a world where we don't get to Thursday. But yeah, it's going to be cold. It's going to be a very, very cold game. Shedore's going to get blobbed. Yep. He's going to get blobbed for sure.

1:03:19Windchill. I am nervous about this game just because I think the Browns, when we talk about it every single week, that the Browns are in every game, at least at halftime, and you don't want to fuck around in a situation like that. Yeah. The one thing the Browns have going against them is their, I think their entire right side of their offensive line is hurt. They got three guys. Center guard tackle. Yep. That's not good, especially for a team that wants to run the ball. What? Concerned about this being a look ahead. It's not a look ahead. it would be a trap game it's it's the definition of a trap game because you get the packers on each side but it's a little bit different for the bears because they know that these are the games they got to win yeah they you got to get fat on these games it's a can't lose it's not a must win it's can't lose cannot lose this game and yeah i'm i'm i am sufficiently ears perked up don't let the browns hang around in a weird cold weather game where you just don't know what's going to happen so watching the titans run against them last week it did it actually didn't seem like the browns did that bad of a job outside of a couple breakout plays are you thinking like yeah that we're going to go back to to our running game like we did against the eagles and we're we're going to be able to find something that works against the browns yeah i mean the the browns did lose malik collins which is big for their defensive line i don't know if that was the only reason why they were run on like they were run on uh by the titans but yes i think there will be a lot of running in this game from the bears and the bears weakness the pass rush if the browns have an entire offense half of an offensive line out you should be able to get home a little bit sure does hold on to the ball so just take care of business don't i don't care how it looks just win the game we're worried about quinchon a little bit when i i like quinch for sure i mean the bears could be run on and kyler gordon doesn't look like we had him for a game and then he got hurt again in warm-ups and it looks like he's out now jalen johnson's still trying to work his way back like that the cold i don't give a fuck about the cold obviously because we're sitting inside and on our couch and we don't give a fuck i'm worried about cold in terms of injuries like guys who are coming back from injuries guys who are who have like a jalen johnson who has not played a lot this year those are the things that make me nervous about the cold yeah yeah so i think the bears got him i like the bears in this game a lot i expect them to win i do think if you were betting this game i i don't know if i would take minus seven and a half i i don't like taking seven and a half correct ever right in a game that could be weird and you like i think ben johnson's plan in this game is win it any way you can doesn't matter how it looks and you might get caroled you might get p caroled at the end of the game could get p caroled could get p caroled but yeah kevin byard said uh i don't really believe in trap games is the nfl everyone is out there playing for something he's right playing on tate uh you remember when caleb and shador played in college yes that was an awesome game yes that was an awesome game that was a that was a big noon kickoff it was a great it was like it was local time 9 a.m yeah and 10 a.m i think each quarterback had four touchdowns that game yeah i i get excited when i see rematches of quarterbacks that i remember those games they played in college like when baker and patrick mahomes play against each other yes i'm like it'll it'll be the same game but yeah the yeah those games are like oh man look how many yards they put up it's going to happen again yeah ben johnson's quote i just want to say it because i loved it so much and i'm gonna just keep saying it in my head over and over he said they were at he was asked about the playoffs and he said we'll be a playoff team once we earn enough wins to become a playoff team right now we are a nine win team and i don't think nine wins is going to get you in this year so we have to do what we can to get enough wins to find a way to get into the tournament.

1:06:56Hank, do you want to say the line? What? The duh? The duh, yeah. Yeah, well, but it needs to be said. We're a 9-1 team. Duh. No playoff team. No, but that was, yeah. It was a good duh. It wasn't as duh. It wasn't as duh. Mine was way. If you had asked him, do you think if you win enough games to make the playoffs that you'll be in the tournament? Duh. I thought my question was very relevant. You know what? I'm going to bet on whoever wins that game. man. And I'm not going to give you a penny of the money. Okay, next up Commanders Giants. You should owe me$8 ,000. Giants minus two and a half over under 46 and a half.

1:07:32I'm waiting until this season where we got... Yeah. Like, that could just reverse. I'm waiting until January. You guys should be playing a lot of golf. Well, yeah. That's the thing is there is... Most of my... Not hatred, but most of my needling over Drake May comes from the fact that I am legitimately concerned that I might owe Hank$50 ,000. but it would only be 42 more golf yeah all right commanders to giants giants minus two and a half over under 46 and a half is jayden daniels playing nope no nope we're gonna we're gonna get that elbow healthy why the fuck was jayden daniels playing last week if he was gonna land on his arm and just re-injure it that makes no sense to me shouldn't have thrown the pick it makes no sense to me is he pick shaming shouldn't have been there yeah sometimes you gotta ask what what was he doing in that position sometimes picks aren't bad that was a bad pick where i saw the saddest thing pft uh our friend tailgate teddy yeah he's going he has uh he has uh he has win his stakes for for when the commanders win a game yeah i had to put the stakes in the freezer he said probably not going to have these steaks till next year no those are going to be he made a video i was like teddy you probably should probably should just eat the steaks and just get new steaks because you You don't want to have steaks in the freezer for nine months.

1:08:51Those are 2026. But it was so sad. He just did a video. It's been like, well, I bought these steaks. Was going to do it because I thought we were going to beat the Vikings. Yeah, he's going through. Looks like it's another game. He's firmly in the camp of play Jaden as much as you can. And he should not play this week. Football players play. Yeah, but he shouldn't have played last weekend if you're going to land on your arm and then you're going to have to go out of the game. Like, that's not, you're not ready to play at that point. Yeah, but he hasn't really played a lot this year, and it hasn't looked good when he has played, so you kind of want to get a little momentum going into next year, right?

1:09:24If he's healthy. Yeah. Yeah, no, going into the game last week, I said the same thing. I said if he's healthy, I think it's important for you to get a few reps out there, for you to get some live action with your teammates, get into a rhythm, try to work your way out of this hole, get some confidence going. But if you're going to get hurt just by landing on it, then you shouldn't be out there playing in the first place. That's a detriment to the team. I like the commanders in this game. Hank showed us last week that Marcus Mariota is better than Jane Daniels. I don't. I don't like the commanders in this game at all.

1:09:56They need to look alive, though. Last week, they looked dead. Why don't you like them? That was a dead—because they looked dead last week. Yeah, but it's week to week. I mean, the Vikings looked dead the week before. That's what's so concerning about us looking dead against a dead team. No, but the Vikings got shut out and then shut someone out. Right. And you got shut out. Now you got to shut them out. They also got nine. Bad quarterback to good quarterback. Commanders. Yeah, you had Mariota played. Bad quarterback to good quarterback. Which offense looked better, Hank? The offense of Jaden Daniels or the offense of Marcus Mariota?

1:10:28Marcus Mariota in the Broncos game looks good. No, I was talking about the Vikings game. I stopped watching. It was like 20. There's no reason to watch. But what I'm saying, we look dead against a dead team. So now I'm thinking we're dead. I agree with you. I'm with you. We're dead. We're dead. Our defense is the worst in the NFL, and Adam Peters, he's probably got some big plans for this offseason, like probably signing Brandon Ayuk or whoever the 49ers decide to cut because that's all we do is we get the 49ers sloppy seconds on everything. It doesn't seem like we're in a great position right now going into next year.

1:11:04We need to change up almost everybody on defense. pretty much everybody on defense is going to be gone when a bad team gets blown out by 30 plus they are 97 68 and four against the spread the next game so there you go not dead not dead maybe we can cover against well the giants two and a half so you if you're going to cover you're probably going to win both of these teams are are in a bad spot right now we are on an eight game losing streak the giants are on a seven game losing streak but the giants losing streak feels like it's a lot better than our losing streak. What was that from the booth?

1:11:36We've decided that I think we're talking too much about this game. Oh, okay. Alright. I was just trying to make the point that I'm going to bet the Commanders. I think they're going to be able to run the ball down the throat of the Giants because everyone runs on the Giants. And I think Marcus Mariota has done a decent enough job with this offense this year that I yeah, I like the Commanders in this game. I understand the logic. I just, I'm very down on the defense especially. Okay, too much on that game from the booth. I disagree, Max. It is a big game for Tankathon. Yeah, huge. We buried the lead.

1:12:12This is a Tankathon game. This is a huge Tankathon game. If the Commanders win this game, they're going to vault to like 9-10. If they lose this game, the Giants are going to go from the first pick to somewhere in the five range. It's a huge game. Yeah, so ultimately by me, that's what it is. I'm so confident we're going to lose because I know that losing this game is actually a big win. Get us in the top five. Okay, next game. Raiders, Eagles. Eagles minus 11.5, over under 38.5 max. I know we talked about it a lot on Tuesday. How are we feeling now? The rabbit, the bunny is gone. I almost, so the good vibes bunny has been removed from the locker room.

1:12:52I was very close to texting Big Dom asking if I could have it, but I thought that would probably be a bad text to send. Did they stab it? I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy. A.J. Dillon is the one that brought that. Oh, that is crazy. He hasn't played in like three months. Has that been reported, Max? Oh, yeah. A.J. Dillon is the one that brought the positivity rabbit. It sounds like a guy that if he's around the office and he doesn't really do a whole lot and he's like, I'll bring some pizzas. That's exactly what it is. He's a fourth string running back. Yeah, so he's trying to get into the good graces of the team.

1:13:25I brought the positivity rabbit. He was a healthy scratch this week. That's got to count for something. uh since since tuesday i have found myself in a weird spot where i am uh now a jalen hurts defender because i was on wake up barstool on tuesday morning i said jalen hurts is russell wilson 2.0 uh and but literally 10 seconds into the clip i said russell wilson was a very good quarterback i think jalen hurts is a very good quarterback they they're not the top three guys in the league, but they're somewhere after that where if their team is good around them, they're winning a Super Bowl. I got then quote tweeted, sent everywhere, NFL people saying, I don't know Ball.

1:14:09All I'll say is I think Russell Wilson was a very good quarterback. I also think Jalen Hurts is a very good quarterback. And if you want to just talk about it, Russell Wilson never finished second in MVP. Jalen Hurts did. He would have come first if he didn't get hurt. If he didn't get hurt. I think you'd make the argument he was a top five quarterback for most of his first, what, seven seasons? Not all seven. I think he's the winningest quarterback in his first seven seasons in the history of the league. But that's not top winningest, yeah. Yeah. But he was 2017 to 2020. Russell Wilson was phenomenal.

1:14:44Jalen Hurts is 27 years old. I think Jalen Hurts is going to – like I'm not giving up on Jalen Hurts is kind of what I was saying. And, yeah, Emmanuel Acho, who has me blocked, so I can't even reply. everyday people prove they didn't watch Russell Wilson play professional football okay we'll see the best part about this argument is Jalen Hurts has career left so we'll find out you know what's funny is that's actually that's telling on himself Emmanuel Acho because he saw your take and then he assumed that you meant that Russell Wilson stinks that's the thing that was it so I kind of got done dirty by our own people using the only quote Jalen Hurts is Russell Wilson 2.0 when 10 seconds in I said and that's not a bad thing because Russell Wilson was really good.

1:15:28He was really really good. Emmanuel Acho is being disrespectful to Russell Wilson for being like why are you talking shit about Russell Wilson this way when actually you were saying good things about him. If Jalen Hurts retired today it also means people just think Jalen Hurts sucks. Yeah but if Jalen Hurts retired today Russell Wilson would have a far better career. Obviously. I'm not arguing that. I am off a four pick game i'm not giving up on jalen hurts is kind of what i'm saying i think he's still a very good quarterback max uh are you guys going to start a backup or is tanner mckee time i it's insane that people are having this discussion shout out to to the philadelphia media because they did ask sirianni if they were thinking about making the move to tanner mckee or sam howell yeah uh i respect the hell out of them for for asking that question It shows that some cities still know how sports talk is done and how the backup is always the most popular guy in town.

1:16:23Max, do you know who asked that question? I do not, but I know that it was asked. Big Sal? It might have been Sal. Or Ant. Big Ant. Eagles talk radio has been insane this week. Oh, no way. Duh. That's a good duh. I did like Shady's take on it. Shady said that if Kevin Petullo comes back next year, they need to un-retire his number. He's going to give 25 back to the Eagles if Kevin Petullo is still around. Well, there is reports that Kevin Petullo will be getting interviewed for the Giants head coaching job. Oh, wow. Yep. Monday morning quarterback put that one out there. That's great. Why? Because he's number two guy.

1:17:09Does he count for Rooney Rule as an Italian? I'm just telling you what the reports are. That might be just Mr. Merritt doing Jeffrey Lurie a favor of being like, hey, I'm going to take some heat off you for a second. I'll just pretend to interview your OC so we can say he got interviewed. But what it might do is it might make Jeffrey Lurie be like, wow, this guy's generating buzz to be a head coach. We better lock him up. We got to get him locked up. It might be a three-dimensional chess move by the Giants. Sports Talk Radio is also doing the Trey Turner again right now. Oh. No boos. The rules are hilarious.

1:17:41it is give the offense a standing ovation on their on their first uh on their first drive out and no booze through the first quarter i love it okay yeah that's not that's the wip yeah you're gonna kill the raiders but yeah it is funny that i have i have somehow ended up in after trolling max on tuesday and having a lot of fun with that i've now ended up on max's side where I caught myself replying to random people online with Jalen Hurts' stats. We spent too much time on this game. Yeah. All right, wait, give it to us. Is this the... No, we don't even need to hear this. No boos. No, you can just see the rules.

1:18:20Kenny Pickett's starting for the Raiders. The rules are offense gets a standing ovation this Sunday versus the Raiders. No booing the team for the entire first quarter versus the Raiders. That is dangerous, though, because that feels... That means the second quarter could be an onslaught. That's like telling, you know, like, hey, no sex for a month. You're basically doing No Nut November. The loads in December are insane. The loads are going to go crazy. You guys are going to be just hitting Peter North ropes of boos at people's faces. Roll the tarp out after the first quarter. It's going to be like, put your fours up at the end of the first quarter, and everyone's just going to flip off the team.

1:18:55They're going to have reports in, give me a town just west of Philadelphia. Brew Mall? Brew Mall had a seismic, the Richter scale, off of the booze. It was a small earthquake. The King of Prussia Mall has imploded. When the second quarter started. Like, imagine a Jalen Hurts pick to start the second quarter. First play? It would go crazy. It would go crazy. Next play. Got a trivia question. There's two players in the NFL that have 50-plus carries for zero or negative yards this season. Do you know who those two players are? Wait, say it again. There's two players in the NFL that have 50-plus carries for zero or negative yards this season.

1:19:36Ashton Gentry? Yes, he's one of them. I don't know the other. Saquon Barkley. Oh, what a matchup. It's these two running backs. Wow. I was shocked to see Saquon on that list. I'm not. The O-line's been horrendous. Yeah. All right, so this is the fourth time that Nick Sirianni is a coach of the Eagles has dropped three games in a row. They've won the fourth game each time. Do you get it? Four times. Yeah. You've lost three in a row. You haven't lost four in a row. Cardinal. Yeah. Are you afraid of Kenny Pickett? Kenny Pickett revenge? Yeah. I'm afraid of everyone. I'm afraid of everyone and everything.

1:20:16Your shadow? The fact that this is an 11 and a half point spread is insane to me. No, it's not. The Raiders are the worst team in the NFL. The Eagles. Covered last week. Looked like the worst team in the NFL. Covered easy last week. Easy cover last week for the Raiders. Okay. You ready to move on? You're going to win this game. I don't know if you're going to beat the Commanders both times. You are. You are going to win this game, Max. You know what? Personal guarantee right now you're going to win this game. What comes with a personal guarantee? Absolutely nothing, but I'm giving it. Jalen Hurts has to be good.

1:20:54He is good. No, I'm saying he has to like. Like, I might go for 300 for Hurts. Max, positivity. If A.J. Brown catches that ball, none of this is talked about. It's like, oh, there was a bad. Jalen Hurts threw one bad pick, and yeah, he then fumbled the pick afterwards, and it was crazy, and then he threw another pick and another pick after that. A.J. Brown also looked like friends on Hard Knocks this week, according to memes, because I refuse to watch it. Okay, that's good reporting memes. Excellent reporting memes. Memes, sticking on you, the Jets at the Jags. Jags are minus 13.5 over under 41.5.

1:21:30Brady Cook? Oh, he just waved us off. That's it. That's it. That was the preview. There's nothing about this game. That was the preview of the game. I need to know Brady Cook or no Brady Cook. It is Brady Cook. Yeah, it's Brady Cook. It's Brady Cook and Adrian Martinez is back up. Oh, man. Okay, he just waved us off. Oh, man. There's nothing. The season is over. Come on, memes. Really? We're simulating to the end of the season where it's full tank. This is like a super tank. It is. Yeah. They might not score a touchdown. But at the same time, I'm rooting for him. God forbid. He lights it up. He won't.

1:22:06I also love how the Jaguars are leaning into the nobody believes in us. No one thinks that we're going to beat Brady Cook this week. It's us against the world. The most creative player, name, face, everything that has ever existed. I want you guys to look out there. and all those people in this, they all think Brady Cook's about to kick your ass. Could you see maybe the Brady Cook game happening? I'd see Brees Hall rushing a lot. Okay. And the Brady Cook game, by the way, could be bad. Like there's the Nathan Peterman game. Yeah, which was actually, it was pretty excellent. Only set I have is the Trevor Lawrence most passing touchdowns of the past five weeks.

1:22:44Number one is Matthew Stafford. Number two is Trevor Lawrence. He's been playing good football. He's been playing really good, yeah. Okay, that's it. So he waved us off. Cardinals and Texans. Texans minus 9.5 over under 42.5. I don't know. I kind of want to take the Cardinals just because I don't know if the Texans can score enough to cover 9.5. But the Texans defense is so, so good, and Jacoby Brissett does hold on to the ball. So, feels like there might be a pick six or a fumble or something, so I'm going to probably just stay away. I kind of like the Texans. I feel like Jacoby Brissett's going to throw the ball 50 times.

1:23:21Doesn't this feel like a total sucker spot, though? It does, yeah, but I'm a sucker. You see the Texans win on Sunday night, and the Cardinals just got pieced by the Rams. This is the hard part of week 15 and later is that you just don't know if there's teams that officially have fully wrapped it up and quit. It seems like the Cardinals have wrapped it up and quit, but they've also covered seven out of eight as road dogs. Right. But I still like the Texans, and that might be me being a sucker and just looking at it and saying, okay the texans are legit legit the cardinals are just kind of treading water and waiting for the season to end yes like just hoping that the clock moves faster for the rest of the year which feels the way which does it does feel like it might be going in that direction uh brissette is trying to beat the texans starting for the fourth different team in his career uh so there's six different quarterbacks that have beaten an opponent as the quarterback for four different teams okay one is ryan fitzpatrick okay uh one is trent dilfer he beat the cardinals four times chris chandler beat the broncos four times jeff garcia beat washington four times carrie collins beat the cowboys four times and earl moral beat the giants and the cardinals four times but ryan fitzpatrick he's beaten the uh jaguars six times and the command that's the all-time record and the commanders four times for four different teams so percent is trying to join that fraternity that's a good fraternity it's an excellent fraternity yeah it basically means that you just played for a ton it means that you were good enough to bounce around the league for to play for a lot of teams yeah okay let's so anyone got any thoughts on this game this is another one where it's just like okay no i'm michael over yeah michael wilson is awesome throwing him the ball a lot tree mcbride yep yep cj stroud just look good look dependable and then let the rest happen yeah okay before we get to the afternoon games planet fitness everybody can get strong at planet fitness we've been talking about on this show we're getting in shape in 2026 we have the planet fitness gym here in the office we have the free weights the cable towers the smith smith machine the treadmill i just get on the treadmill and walk a little bit walk a couple miles a little hot boy walk also the stair climbers awesome get that booty popping high value membership that supports any fitness journey as low as 15 a month over 2700 club locations most clubs open 24 hours get stronger together guys let's go we're all strong on this planet join today in club online or in the free pf app this podcast i'll tell you right now we're gonna get hot in 2026 should we do a full weigh-in i think we should do a full like all of us get on a scale together like in the office i'm gonna get jacked though so we don't know each other we don't know our specific weights we just know our total weight i'm gonna put on productive mass yeah I'm also trying to bulk up in January.

1:26:12Listen, you do it at Planet Fitness. So high-value membership supports any fitness journey as low as$15 a month. I'm going to get tan. They have tanning beds, too. Hell, yeah. Afternoon games. Great one. Game of the week. Barstool's game of the week. Make sure you tweet us your game of the week parlay because we're giving out bonus bets on DraftKings. Lions at Rams. Rams minus six. Over-unders 54.5. Big, big game. Big, big game for the Lions. both teams really because the Rams are trying to get the one seed the Lions are in the eighth spot right now and if they so I was looking at it if the Lions lose and the Bears win then the Bears at minimum have a week 18 uh win and get in like that can't it can't get worse than that so they could lose their next two games still have the Lions are kind of in a spot where they have to yeah they have to get to try to get that win and get in and they have to there's a big game So if they win, they're up to 72 % to get in.

1:27:07Lions? Yeah. If they lose, they're down to 40 % to get in. The old Jared Goff, Matt Stafford game, this matchup again. Both teams, the rare trade where both teams won. I think you could definitely make the argument there. I think I like the Lions just because they're going to be desperate as fuck. Yeah. I'd agree with that. And Brian Branch, unfortunately, he's out for the season. He's got a torn Achilles, so he's probably out for maybe up to a full year. Not a calendar year, but 12 months. And Kirby Joseph might not play. I don't know. But the defense is going to be an issue for them. Dan Campbell just doesn't seem phased by it.

1:27:44He was just like, we're good. We got options. You lose a good player at Hurts, but we're not in dire straits. Yep. I think they're just – the Lions are going to be the most desperate team that you've ever seen on Sunday. A lot of fourth downs. A lot of fourth downs. Makes you nervous about taking the over. Or it could make you feel good about it. It could be awesome. It depends on if they make those fourth downs. Because Amin Ra, if he's healthy or healthier than he has looked, I think the Lions are a good bet. I'm putting all my chips behind Dan Campbell's desperation. Yeah. I think he's probably the best desperate coach.

1:28:16Sean McVay said he vows to never forget the way Stafford was treated in Detroit Homecoming. They booed him. They booed his family. Yeah, well, they booed his kids. They actually applauded for Matt Stafford, but they're like, the little girls, get out of here. Yeah, they can get it. They can get these boos. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think this is going to be one of those chaotic, like, great games where both teams are pressing in a good way. I also just, if you didn't watch the Cardinals-Rams game last week, which I don't blame you because it was such a blowout, Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford, the way they're playing football right now, it's the old Dan Marino.

1:28:47There's no defense for a perfect pass. That's how it feels with those two. Yeah. Where it doesn't really matter what defense you run, who you have on Puka. Matthew Stafford's going to put it somewhere that Puka Nakua can catch it and the defensive back cannot. I think what we've seen this season, we saw teams playing relatively normal coverages at the start of the year, and Puka Nakua was awesome. Then they just blanketed Puka Nakua, and then all Devontae Adams did was catch touchdowns. Yeah. And then they're like, oh shit, all this guy does is catch touchdowns. Let's give him some extra attention.

1:29:20And now we're back. The pendulum has swung back to Puka Nakua always being open. Also, Jameer Gibbs, just keep betting him. so since jameer since dan campbell took over play calling if you did a 17 game pace for jameer gibbs it would be first uh all time in yards from scrimmage with 2679 and 31 total tds that's on pace for when dan campbell took over yeah it's pretty crazy so he's clearly being like hey that's our best player let's use him a lot all the time every aspect of the game i'm pumped for this game you like this game hank yeah you got a thought also feels like a sucker this the again it's it's tough hungry dog because i think hungry dog is like it's hard to do week over week there's not a lot of this week feels like sucker dog week why don't you just do that why don't you do money line parlay of the sucker dogs like the other way i might the rams the chiefs call it the can't lose rams chiefs ravens the sucker dog yeah because because everyone and their mother is like or just take them against the spread yeah no oh yeah no okay it's no no plus sign no i'm saying take all three parlayed against spread but yeah i like i like the rams this game this this game feels like it's everyone and their mother's big lions lions need to win.

1:30:43Dan Campbell's hungry. I think it's going to be a shootout. This also gives me Chiefs Rams vibes with Jared Goff. Just over, over, over, over, over. But that fourth down, that's my... I'm just picturing myself. I'm putting myself in my own body on Sunday afternoon, betting the over in this game and watching the Lions be in the red zone three times in the first two quarters and going 0-3 on fourth down. We're going to know pretty quickly if that over is going to hit yeah just based on vibes if the first fourth down doesn't get converted yeah this is dead it's over yep okay packers at broncos broncos plus two and a half over under 42 and a half this is a very similar spread and setup to the bills in the in the patriots the broncos are in the first spot right now um they have what's their win streak 10 10 10 10 in a row they're underdogs to the packers i think rightfully so i think the packers are going to win arrowhead's tough place to play it's not arrowhead it's a good point it is mile high yeah apologies also a tough place to play yep my eyes tougher really altitude yeah but arrowhead though but patrick rahomes i'd rather not play at mile high yeah what how come arrowhead was the first we beat I don't know why.

1:32:07That was just a... I feel like that's 40 and slip. Yeah. Because you're afraid of playing the Chiefs. Probably. I'll stop talking. Toyotathon. We know it. Jordan Love is just insane. Yeah. He went on McAfee's show wearing a Toyotathon jacket. He's leaning into it. Wasn't Purdy doing that earlier? I feel like Purdy wore a Toyotathon jacket outside of Toyotathon. He might have. But he's leaning into it. He's loving it. He's already got Brocktober. He doesn't need Toyotathon. Yeah. the uh yeah i don't know what else to say instead of like the the packers look really good and matt lafleur is a really good coach especially down the stretch and toyota thon's happening and while i think the broncos are still a good team i just they have been winning games by the skin of their teeth and bonex played better but i think this is just a levels thing i don't know i might be way wrong i might be way wrong the broncos could shock me i would love it if the broncos won this game because then the following week would be yeah i've been awesome i've been thinking more about it with the broncos i know their defense is awesome i've been believing i've been a bow lever for quite some time now i think they're capable of winning any game they plan they're capable of beating any team in the league yeah they're also capable of losing to just about Not every team in the league.

1:33:26Yep. I think that they're going to win this game, but I don't trust them in the playoffs to win three games in a row. I don't think that's not, I know they've won 10. I know they've won 10, which is a great counterpoint. If you're out there and you're like, wait, you don't trust them to win three in a row. They're on a 10 game winning streak. I just don't trust them to win three in a row in the playoffs against good teams. Bo Nix against the NFC during his cruise, eight and one. So there you go. Pretty good. I don't know if that means anything, but I just wanted to say it. Yeah, I have a bad feeling the Packers have turned the corner.

1:34:01It happened Thanksgiving. What they did to the Lions Thanksgiving, the corner was officially turned. And, yeah, I think this is when they're going to start pouring it on. I think that their cornerbacks are going to be good enough against the Packers receivers where Jordan Love is not going to be able to make any of those easy throws downfield. Yeah. Yeah, probably. I mean, yeah, although the Broncos have given up some yards. I mean, the Commanders obviously played well. It's Mariota. Mariota. Okay, next up, Panthers at Saints. Saints are 2.5-point underdogs, over-unders 40.5. The Carolina Panthers are 0-24 against the spread as favorites against sub-400 teams since 2015.

1:34:44Let me just say that again. They are 0-24 against the spread as favorites against sub-400 teams since 2015. That's crazy. That is absolutely nuts. They should never be favored. Well, they should never be favored, and they also just play down to their level. Yeah. Which is not a good thing. No. And Tyler Shuck is playing pretty good. We're Shucksters. Shuck boys. We're Shuckheads. I'm offended you even said pretty good. He's playing very well. Maybe the best in the NFL. If you just base it off of last week. Tyler Shuck, he's 107 yards. And you take out Matthew Stafford. And Josh Allen. 106 yards, he breaks the Saints' all-time rookie record.

1:35:22You know who held that? Who? Spencer Rattler. Oh. Last year. That's, I believe, the second time in NFL history that that's ever happened. I think the first was in 1950, where you've had back-to-back rookie quarterbacks setting and breaking each other's records. But yeah, Tyler Shuck is fucking awesome. He is. Max, you're right. That was a good correction. Good producing, Max. I'm a shuck boy. I'm a believer in shuck. I don't know who the Saints are going to have at skill positions. I don't care. I'm a believer in Tyler Shuck. Yeah, doesn't matter, dude. He's the shuck. He's going to shuck you up.

1:35:56That's what he does. Yeah. Yeah, shuck you the fuck up. No, shuck you up. Shuck that tiger dick, bitch. Yeah. Do we want anything else on this game? It doesn't. This game, weirdly, doesn't matter that much for the Panthers. It does, but the Panthers have two games against the Bucs in the last three weeks of the season. If they go 2-0, they're in. So it still matters because you want to give yourself a chance to be able to go 1-1 and still be in. But both the Bucs and the Panthers are sitting in the same spot. If they can go 2-0 against the other one, they're in. This is a must-win. Must-win for the Panthers, I think.

1:36:32Must-win. To get some confidence going. It's not a must-win at all. To get the confidence going. It's a want-to-win. It would be nice to win. I don't think it's a must win. I think if you're the Panthers, every game has to be a must win. No, that's what we're saying. They have two must win games. They have two must win games coming up. You've got to feel good about yourself. You want to feel good. If you want to win the must wins, you have to be confident. And the best way to get confident is to get a win against the Saints. A team that came into your house and beat you. They beat your ass. But yeah, it's definitely not a must win.

1:37:08I think you get swept by the Saints, your tail's between your legs. Then you can't run with the big balls. Or it wakes you up, fires you up. No room for error. No margin for error. No margin for error. Yeah, I'm looking right now. You might want to lose this game. If the Panthers lose this week. They might be a back-against-the-wall team. If the Panthers lose this week and Week 17, but they win Week 16 and 18 against the Bucs, they're in. The Bucs can win the other two and lose to the Panthers. So, yeah, this doesn't. It's perfectly fine if they lose. It's perfectly fine. I don't think it's not everything ahead of us.

1:37:41It's not perfectly fine. It's not perfectly fine because then they do lose the ability to go one and one against the Bucs, which you'd like to keep that ability alive. Would you not say so, Hank? Yeah. It's blah if they lose. It's blah if they lose? Yeah. What is that? What's blah? It's like not great, but not. It's just blah. The sky is falling. Yeah. So should they bench their starters? Not quite. We're getting to move on. You got to respect the loss of the Shuckster. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Titans at 49ers. 49ers minus 12.5 over under 44.5. Can we just say 49ers? 49ers big time. Just go?

1:38:18Big time. We're going to go? Yeah, move along. The Titans are reading all the press clippings. Everyone thinks you're the best team in the world because you won the game last year. I will say this about the 49ers. They feel like the team that not a lot of people are talking about, and they're kind of just lurking there. and you know there's a lot of i think it's because the nature of how the nfc playoff pictures looked it's a lot of rams seahawks bears packers lions because those those are tight division 49ers are right there they're right fucking there you know the the rams have they are last in the league in sacks or sorry they're not the rams 49ers 49ers are last in the league in sacks that's mac jones no in on defense oh i thought you meant avoiding no their defense yeah no they don't have a pass They got everyone injured.

1:39:01Their defense is dead last in the league in sacking the quarterback. Fred Warner is doing the, if we make it to this round, I'm back. Was that the Super Bowl? Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl week. Yeah. No, I think I saw it was like wild card 25%, divisional round 50%, championship round 75%. He might be back. Yeah. Love the Niners. Yeah, I do too. Seahawks, Colts. Seahawks minus 13.5, over under 42.5. Phil Rivers. We're doing it. He gets number 17 from Daniel Jones, which is very funny. So Daniel Jones is on IR because he tore his Achilles. And Daniel Jones was asked. Phil Rivers texted him. And Daniel Jones replied, heck yeah, go for it.

1:39:45I love that. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. He knew not to cuss. Don't cuss. I can't wait to see Phillip Rivers out there. I hope that it's awesome. I hope he's able to play. I'm skeptical. He's 44. You know what? I'm sick of people being like he's a grandfather 44 he's like the youngest Grandfather in the world Brett Favre was a grandfather Brett Favre was a grandfather he's not He's not a young guy well the only thing Is his grandkid is in middle school Philip Rivers Yeah how old is his grandkid Jesus Christ When did he get started Wouldn't that be funny if his grandkid Like want to feel old Philip Rivers is playing In the NFL this week and his grandkid just did signing day for nc state yeah i i thought this was kind of funny so philip rivers has been working out and training riley leonard for the past two off seasons yeah he's been his mentor and now they're like hey phil can you come in here and and just show riley how it's done yeah and on top of that we got the report that philip rivers is running was running shane steikens offense for the high school team he was coaching they were talking every week every single week Which makes you think, how long has Shane Steichen had this planned?

1:40:58Forever. Like, he was keeping his options open with Phil. Yeah, if you're Daniel Jones, you got to be like, wait, what the fuck? You were talking to him every week? You had a side chick this entire time? You were watching me play and thinking about Phillip Rivers? It's crazy. It is crazy. And I said right when the news came through that it felt a lot like the Jeff Saturday hire. Oh, breaking moves. Is he officially starting? Breaking moves.

1:41:21Breaking moves. Adam Sheffield just tweeted, sounds like Phillip Rivers is tracking to start Sunday at Seattle. Yeah, I saw he was taking a lot of the reps. That's good. This is good for football. Incredible. It's good for football. I can't believe Sam Ellinger turned the Colts down. Yeah. I can't believe he was like, no, thank you. This is going to be. You know what? If Phillip Rivers, if they win, I won't cuss for the rest of football season. Yeah. I'm going to stop cussing. I don't know about that. oh, I'm watching a tape of him throw. He still fucking got it. He does look a little heavier, but it doesn't matter.

1:41:55He said he doesn't run away from people anyway. Yeah. So Stephen Holder, I think is a Colts Beat reporter, said two days in now and my time in the building this week has left me only more convinced. Phillip Rivers is this week's starting quarterback. It isn't difficult to tell who a team is prepping to start. That player is Rivers, period. Yeah. Wow. He needs to get in football shape, but there's no question he can throw it. He's going to play himself into shape. He's going, yeah, let's do it. It's been 1 ,800 days since his last game. That rocks. That rocks. Sometimes the NFL just delivers, you know?

1:42:28This is really one of those moments that I'm just so happy that we get to watch Philip Rivers again. Yeah. But the Seahawks are probably going to fuck him up. Probably. If we're just going to be honest with this, I'm worried about him getting hit. That's the problem. Yeah. He has to play the Seahawks. He has to play the Texans this year. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. I do like that the Colts are just not giving up on, hey, we are right there in the playoff hunt. Why would we just give up? Every starting QB when Phillip Rivers last played, this is a crazy. So it's Matt Ryan, Teddy Bridgewater, Dwayne Haskins for the commanders, Mitch Trubisky for the Bears.

1:43:06Oh, Ryan Tannehill for the Titans. Yep. One seed, baby. Baker Mayfield for the Browns. Drew Locke for the Broncos. You okay, Hank? You okay? You're funny. Funny guy. Funny guy. You make me laugh. What's funny about you? Just everything about you. The way you look, the way you talk. About remembering. Your little quips. Listen, Hank, I know you feel the same way. I know you feel the same way about yourself. We both look good. That's the thing. I know. The haters are sick about that. It's me and Hank actually. I think we won that bet. Oh, yeah. 100%. 100%. Except for the part where Hank did blackface.

1:43:41Nah, it was Guido face. You did. You guys both look good. But Hank's been vibing this week. He's been matching his outfit with his hair. Yeah. And it's been very funny to watch. Yeah, he came up to us today. He was like, I feel like I look like a guy that doesn't have a job, doesn't do shit, but still has a hot girlfriend. And Max was like, yeah, dude. You mean you look like the fucking man? Hank was like, yeah, I do. By the way, did you see Cam Newton tried to make it about himself where he was like, yeah. It's a slap in the face. They didn't call me first. Yeah. The difference would be that Phil Rivers, his last time in the NFL, he was not that bad.

1:44:23The last time you were in the NFL, it was bad. The big difference is that he's best friends with the coach. Yeah. Running his offense. Yeah. Do you think I could stop cussing? No. No. God, no. Absolutely not. Phil Rivers. I'll do it. Last time we saw Phil Rivers, he took the Colts to 11-5. You remember that playoff game against the Bills? He had 68 % completion percentage He threw for 4 ,000 yards He had 24 touchdowns He wasn't that bad You can't stop cussing Seahawks are going to win this game It means that much to me Imagine if Phillip Rivers goes out there And he beats the Seahawks on Sunday What a moment that would be That would be a game that we would never forget For the rest of our lives It would be that magical of a moment But if you cuss, what's the punishment?

1:45:15I have an idea Red hair I'd look good with red hair Deposit into the sperm bank for Phil Rivers Yeah Yeah I'll send my boys off I'll send my boys off to war I'll send them off to war The Yanks are coming baby You just swear And you're just all of a sudden Having to go to the sperm bank every single week Yeah listen there's a lot of women out there That I think the cut off is 5-8 So I'm good so yeah what's some pft i mean you do you do have like great genes you're you got blonde hair yeah that's true tan olive skin swarthy i'm a swarthy individual pft commenter yeah okay last game sunday football vikings the cowboys cowboys minus five and a half over under 47 and a half nine prime time nine by the way last thing we didn't talk about the seahawks because phil rivers is the story i think the seahawks are going to win i think I think the Seahawks are going to maybe kill him.

1:46:12Seahawks are really fucking good. That's why we didn't talk about it. I echo that point. Yeah. Anything on nine? Primetime? It's nine. Primetime nine? What else is there to be said besides it's nine time? I actually like the Vikings to cover this. They technically are not eliminated from the playoffs. They have to go 4-0. Less than 1%. They have to go 4-0. The Bears have to go 0-4. The Lions have to go 1-3. And the Panthers and Bucs have to finish with a 9-8 record or worse. yeah it's a lot of things a lot of stuff has to happen i i think that the this should be a great game for the cowboys offense i don't know prime floor is gonna heat him up i'm excited to watch nine in prime time he's gonna heat him up i think uh i think george pickens is surprisingly responding to uh to his bad game in a very un george pickens like way yeah so everyone at the cowboys facility has been like yeah he knows he had a bad game he knows he fucked up he knows he can't change the narrative about that game but overall if you look at how he's played this year it does seem like he's a more mature version of himself than he was in Pittsburgh yeah despite what Jason Whitlock might have deleted I actually I actually like the George Pickens had that type of game on Thursday because he reminded everyone like hey you guys all are saying that I'm like the best wide receiver and the best teammate all that stuff I just want to remind you I'm still a little crazy yeah like I'll be a little crazy if I need to be a little crazy he's he's doing a good job of not setting the bar too high well also you want george pickens to be a little correct you don't want him to be too tame correct because then he loses his edge also guys have bad games it happens it happens um how many yards do you think justin jefferson has over the last three games i'm gonna say 75 25 63 he's got 63 yards over the last three games jay jettas jay jettas uh but i think listen nine nine just we might get nine nine i got nine last week it happens we might have back-to-back nines.

1:48:07Nine. Brian Schottenhubber, by the way, wore a sheisty in practice. Okay, so he's trying to identify with his team? Yeah, he said, I didn't really like it. I couldn't breathe. I don't know how he wore it like George Pickens wears it. I don't know why the guys like it so much, but I thought, hey, this is the cool thing going on. Let me try it. Kind of like the 6-7 thing a few weeks ago. I'm a hip guy, but I didn't really like it. It didn't stay on very long. oh brian schottenheimer feels like that was a little too much he's trying i appreciate a little too much i appreciate the fact that he's trying he is trying but that was maybe a little too much and i appreciate the fact that he can try stuff and he realizes it's lame and then stop it yeah and be like i i tried but it was dumb i actually had no problem with this entire quote except saying the six seven thing yeah yeah there is with the shite did we get any footage of him Yeah, there it is right there.

1:49:00No, no, trying the 6-7 thing. Oh, I don't know if he did the hands. Because if he, the way that he tells the story, it sounds like it was probably the worst 6-7 of all time. Him and Hunter, you're a check. We're not getting Trayvon Diggs back, I don't think. Schottenheimer talked about him, and he's still sidelined from a, quote, at-home accident that took place just before Washington week seven. I feel like I can recklessly speculate on what happened. Okay. It's speculation. Maybe informed speculation. Okay. It was an at-home injury on a Friday, a Friday night, where something heavy fell on his head, something that he brought maybe into his house that could tip over easily because maybe somebody else was climbing on it, and maybe that person that was climbing on it might not have been wearing clothes.

1:49:51Talking about a stripper pole. I didn't say that. But I said that. I guessed. if that is what happened that is the funniest way to get concussed of all time of course I hope he's okay I hope he's okay yeah and I think he's cleared concussion protocol a long time ago and they're just like you are you are a weird guy I don't know if we need you on the team right now just kind of don't say anything figure it out yeah okay so he's not coming back Cowboys still alive we'll see what happens with the Eagles they got to win out though they got to win out I don't think you want to play the Cowboys in the playoffs I would probably agree.

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1:51:52Per person ends January 5th at 7 p.m. Eastern. Bonus bets are non-withdrawable and expire in seven days. See official rules and free method of entry at DraftKings.com slash promos. Sponsored by Crown Gaming, Inc. Let's hit this. Let's hit this. I got a name I want to throw out there. You ready for it? I'm on Raw. We got to go back there. I'm down for that. I got another good name for you. You guys are going to like it. In front of the show. Great guy. George Kittle. Love it. Love it. Love that a lot. PFT, you want to do a Sunday night game? I was thinking about doing a Sunday night game. I was also thinking about maybe.

1:52:27You want to go Georgie Bounceback? Phillip Rivers. Oh, no. Georgie Bounceback? Georgie Bounceback is one of the two that I'm looking at. Okay. Jay Jettis? I'm considering. Statistically due? Statistically due. I'm going to say either George Pickens or Flournoy. Well, is CD out? So CD is not listed right now. Because he's in the concussion protocol. Because he's in the protocol. Let's go with Georgie Boy. You know. If Pickens play or if CD Lamb plays, then Flournoy, bad bet. So let's talk this out real quick. Because George Pickens, he had a bad game. Everyone saw he had a bad game. What are they going to do?

1:53:11They're going to feed him the ball. Yeah. Right? Let's think about George Pickens to end a, what is it, plus 844? It'll be fun. That'll be fun, PFT. All right, so we got Pickens. Who else? Pickens, Kittle, Amonra. Where does that lose? Plus 844. Okay. Okay, let's do our bets, and then we'll have Jerry's fantasy minute. Then we're going to talk more ball with Dan Orlovsky. So right now the standings are I have 18 points. Max has 16. Hank has 15. PFT, 13.5. half memes 13 Zach 12 and a half very close boys what's the punishment we got it's not cutting time it is not cutting time I like the idea I like no we need it we need we need everyone to come prepared we can't just every week we do this I like not gonna decide on one right now it is close and then we're gonna be like alright I like the idea of the outdoor submissions the outdoor boys video would be that's a good idea that max had isn't he a politician now you see that photo yeah well we wouldn't be doing a collab i don't know we'd just be doing our video right max yeah we just do our own video yeah just find somewhere to go do do an outdoor boys all right next week we are deciding the punishment because we are close enough that it's it's not you know i mean like everyone's still alive.

1:54:43So are we doing second and last? No, I think we just go last or we could do second last. I don't care. We got to figure all this out. Yeah, we'll figure all this out next week. Okay, it's good. We got to figure this all out. Yeah, this is good podcasting. We got to figure this out. We got to figure this out. Okay, picks who's up first. Max me. I am going Rams Lions over 54 and a half. Love it. I'm going to take the Ravens minus 2.5 against the Bengals. PFT? I'm going to take the 49ers minus 12.5. Ah, good pick. I'm going to take my official switch on advisors. Bills Patriots over 49.5. I'm going to take the Seattle Seahawks minus 13.5.

1:55:32Do I have two? Nope. Nope. Nope. I'm going to take God damn it I wanted the 49ers I'll go Cowboys Minus five and a half And Rams minus six Rams minus six Wait no Can't do that Disqualification Disqualification Disqualification Disqualification. Come on, bitch. Come on, you bitch. Get it going. Jets, Jaguars, over 41.5. Okay. I would like to take the over. Okay. Nice. In the Browns Bears. Wow. Has anyone taken the Chiefs? Nope. Chiefs minus five and a half. Nope. Thank you.

1:56:41I'm going to take the under in Bears Browns. 38 and a half. Head to head. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Boys, it got spicy. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hank's a bitch. I think Hank is like undefeated on his Browns overs this year. It feels like every week he does this. Yeah, well, that's coming to an end. Yeah. Yep. I would like to take the over in the Chargers Chiefs game if that's still available. Yeah. And Max? I really want to take Raiders plus 11 and a half, but I'm going to... The shuckster is there, so I'm going to take Saints plus two. Ooh, shuckster. Shuck him up. Okay. Jerry? We got Jerry? I got Jerry.

1:57:22Gerard. Gerard. Ooh, look at him. God damn it. Looking at the, seeing the green trees bums me out. I'm walking to my neighbor's house. It's uphill a little bit. I'm out of breath. I got one minute memes. Start the music. Start the music memes. Look at all this positivity in my neighbor's house. I don't have this kind of positivity. All right, we're going to sit the commenter who said I look like an aging lesbian on Wednesday's show on YouTube. That was pretty rude. Facts. We're going to sit the Eagles offensive line. I watched them. They're terrible. We're going to start A.J. Brown's hands when he's tweeting.

1:57:58He's so good at tweeting his hands. We're going to sit A.J. Brown's hands when he's trying to catch a ball. This is way too much about the Eagles. Or on a post route. We are going to sit Jalen Hurts when he's trying to read. This is just Eagles. This is just Eagles week. We're going to sit Hanky when he's trying to read Don Quixote. He dies at the end. Spoiler alert. Don't take it too long to read it, Hanky. And we are going to sit people who hate positivity. We hate positivity. Oh. He's got a knife. Jerry's got a knife. Every single week, he comes up with a new spot. We got to give him credit for it.

1:58:38It's fucking awesome. I thought that was very, very great. I thought that was great. Good job, Jerry. Love Jim. We got to buy in the playoffs in fantasy football, too? Like, he doesn't just sit in front. If I were tasked with his job, I'd sit in front of the same spot and just, you know. Oh, it's me back here. Yeah. If this segment were up to us, we'd just make stupid voices for six years. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Let's get to our interview with Dan Orlovsky. Great time. Talk a ball with him. Before we do that, PFT, you got a couple more ads. Yeah. Before we get to Dan Orlovsky, he's brought to you by our great friends over at Twisted T.

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2:00:51You got good thoughts on everything, so let's dive into it. Let's start at the top. Let's start at the top. Give me your list of teams that you think can actually win the Super Bowl this year. All right, teams that I truly believe can win it. Number one, Rams. I'll start in the NFC. Rams. Rams, like, there's no quarterback, wide receiver group right now that sees it the same way consistently. The throws and the catches are stupid right now. I also think their run game is so repeatable that, like, it's efficient and explosive. Second team in that conference would absolutely be Seattle if. Like, Sam Darnold's done some stuff recently when it comes to, like, this way I say it is, like, he's doing things that get quarterbacks in trouble.

2:01:39He's just not getting in trouble. Eventually, you will. So, that, like, gives me a little bit concerned, but the defense is just off the charts good. So, Seattle. What is that, by the way? Can you tell us what the things he does that gets guys in trouble? Like, what are you seeing? Yeah, so the big thing for Sam, which was his issue before, is he's so gifted and talented early in his career that, you know, The way I would say it is just because you can make all these cool throws with your feet all over the place doesn't mean you should. And he had gotten rid of that over the last two years where we call it kind of like clicking through progressions.

2:02:16Meaning like, hey, the first guy that I think should be open is not open. Okay, don't wait for him to try to get open or then go and make him open. Just get to the second option or the third option. and it's almost like a piston where you're just robotic in a way. Hey, one to two to three, clicking through. He was doing a really good job of that. I would tell you in the last month it hasn't been the case. He's become, you know, like my constant note is stop doing this. Bad word. Stop doing this. And it's not getting him in trouble because the opponent isn't good enough, but it will eventually.

2:02:52So that's got to get more consistent out of Sam. And Green Bay, I love Green Bay. I love their defense. I love their offense. Watson, Christian Watson, to me, has become like, you know, he's not as good as these guys, but like they're Andre Johnson, they're Nico Collins, they're Josh Gordon. Like that offense needs that guy. I would tell you those are the three in the NFC that I'm very confident right now. AFC, Buffalo. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care. I understand their defense isn't very good. but they got a best player in the league right now, or certainly one of them. If they're at home, I would put money on them to go specifically since there's unlikely Josh, or excuse me, unlikely Joe, unlikely Lamar, unlikely Pat in there.

2:03:39But Buffalo, just because the quarterback can get hot as anybody. Denver, the defense is good enough.

2:03:49I'd probably say Houston. I think the defense is that good. I think the defense, how many teams are going to score 20 on them? Right. You know, all you've got to do is if Houston offensively can score 20, they can go on a three-game run. So I would say those New England's there for me. I'm very interested to see you watch New England play this weekend against Buffalo in an enormous game. Yeah, so you're a little hesitant to put the Patriots in there. Why is that? Obviously, you know, Drake May is having a great season this year. Vrabel is an excellent coach, one of the best. so what is it about new england that's that's making you say i i want to see more yeah i'm i'm not i don't stand on like the definitive no side i just think there is this now one thing i love about them is like they're the team that we don't know how good they are i would tell you they're the one team that has gotten better almost by the week they are much better than they were in september i guess it's the reality of you know like how good are they offensively in a in a when you when you get into like the winner go home game plan specific area how good are they offensively the two rookie offensive line men that are hurt and Campbell let's see I you know I was impressed with the way that they played against the Giants in the first game without those offensive linemen how how long is Campbell going to be out that's a big injury with a guy that was playing very good um I still think I'm of the belief that the defenses are just just going to line up in nickel with putting five defensive backs on the field you can't let them do that and not just pound the football at them milton williams injury how how healthy is he going to be so um i'm not definitive like no i lean more yes but i i just think like as we get into this december era of football how good is the youth of this football team i think goes a long way yeah and then we we like to do this with a lot of the guests we have on it's called a time capsule we'll go into a time capsule real quick okay so i want you to close your eyes i'm going to describe to you one game that you had in the nfl and we we busted your balls in the past we did the thing we made fun of the end zone thing we're not going to do that again uh this is a good one for you i want you to think back to december 4th 2011 you were starting quarterback in the nfl do you remember that game do you remember who you played against that day i was playing for the colts We were on the road in New England.

2:06:07Yes, it was against the Patriots. And you had maybe the best game of your career that day. Do you remember how many yards you threw for? I think I threw for like 368. Yeah, I see 353 here. Wow. But yeah, you're a member of the 300 club. So what did that moment mean to you? Every quarterback dreams. Yeah, legit. That was a fun day. I'm from Connecticut. Patriots were the hottest football team ever for that era. All my friends, for the most part, were Patriots fans. I grew up watching Brady, idolizing Brady. So the fact that we went on the road late in the season, we weren't very good. We were playing a team that was a real Super Bowl contender.

2:06:47I was going to get the chance to start. I had 50 people at the game. And then I think we score and have the chance to kick an onside kick to go win the game. They recover it. but like just having a chance to play in that place against that team and that quarterback and kind of in that era yeah dude that was like one of the coolest days of my career um you went off with that yeah we I threw I threw pretty well I remember I threw a couple touchdown passes maybe Pierre Garcon um I got absolutely destroyed by Gerard Mayo on one of them legal you know unsportsmanlike conduct hit to the chin um and then Tom running up to me or me running up to Tom and him being like, hey, way to keep competing.

2:07:31That was as corny as it sounds. Pretty cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Congratulations on making the 300 club. It's a big milestone for any career quarterback and really happy to see you on that list of guys that have done it. I want to know how many guys are on that list. I think it's more about the guys not on the list. Really, yeah, I would agree. I think it's like 300-something, maybe high 280s. We just had Shador who got welcomed to the club last week when he kind of went off. So, yeah, it's important to acknowledge When guys and guests of ours, people that we like, they have accomplished tremendous things.

2:08:02And we just want to take our hat off and say, congrats, great job, great game, Mr. 300, Dan Orlovsky. Yeah. I love it. I need that to live on the internet more than the safety. We'll try to make that happen. Yeah. Remember the Dan Orlovsky game. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about a couple quarterbacks with you. Let's talk first about Caleb Williams. Obviously, I'm biased, but I have thought that year two, especially with Ben Johnson, it has looked better. And I know that people will say the completion percentage. I think that's a lot of times people not watching the game and seeing, you know, some of these throwaways or plays that should have been sacks.

2:08:37Anyone else gets sacked and he's able to get out of it and get it away. And it's not perfect. There's still some things that need to be cleaned up. The offense needs to be more consistent, especially like that game against Green Bay, where it's like if the offense has a pulse in the first half, they don't they Bears can win that game. But what have you seen from Caleb and are you on the positive side of this is growth and it looks like it's getting better? Yeah, I'm on the extreme positive side. I think that you have to walk away if you go back to August. And I was very cautious about the pairing of Ben and Caleb.

2:09:13And I also think like in this role, you have to be willing in the moment to just be as honest as you can. and then be willing to change the way you're viewing it. And while I was very cautious of the pairing because of the style of offense, I do think if you go back to August and you sit there and say, well, really, just forget the team performance. What do you have to see from Caleb to feel good going into 2026 and beyond? I would tell you, number one, stop creating problems for yourself. He's absolutely done that. Now, it took till about October for that to present itself. What do I mean by that?

2:09:55Like, a lot of times, leaving the clean pocket just because you're an athletic. A lot of times, trying to force the ball downfield on first and 20 in a small window because you don't like the check down or the shorter throw in front of you. On third down, you know, instead of trusting the progression or trusting the matchup, trying to think or believing I'm the best athlete on the field or one of them, let me go run and make a play. So he's creating less problems for himself, number one. Number two, he's playing more consistently in structure. Is it flawless? No. There are not a lot of guys in the league that are.

2:10:33But he's more in structure. He's playing more in rhythm and timing. You see more options where he's underneath the center, play fake, whether it's a play action or a drop back, and it's like, hey, ball's out, first pitch. Ball's out, first pitch. And so I think his growth and development in the play-action game. The third thing is holding onto the football much less in the confines of the play. Is he holding on the ball at times long? Yes. But that's because there's a pressure. He evades them. He's climbing the pocket and getting outside. And so yes, he's holding the ball for four and a half seconds because he's outside of the pocket creating.

2:11:13And has to improve it absolutely has improved um you know some of the accuracy stuff I I also would sit here and tell you like I don't know if he's ever gonna be Joe Burrow right I don't is he does he have to be um we've lived in this world with I watched Pashma Holmes who's the best player I've ever seen have inaccurate throws I watched Lamar Jackson who's one of the greatest quarterbacks of the last 30 years of the NFL have inaccurate throws I watched Josh Allen who's you know having another MVP like season have an accurate throw. So like those guys aren't necessarily these pinpoint accurate dudes all over the course of four quarters.

2:11:53They do things that overcome that or, you know, kind of make up for it. And so, yeah, I think you've got to be really encouraged. Would I love for him to hit the layups more consistently? Yes. Do I think he will once he gets even more reps? For sure. Yeah. And I also think like the, thing that has changed my mind and this is you watch the tape you grind it you know what you're looking at I'm going more from a just gut level feeling of it the when Caleb has a pocket sets his feet and he he lets one rip over the middle of the field I feel like it's been just money and that's the that's like the difference where it's like you know there's going to be someone there and he's going to deliver a great ball and it just I have the confidence now that that's what's about to happen yeah and I also see that for sure like you can watch some of the throws both in the pocket and outside of the pocket bag man that's sweet you know and and you'd much rather have I would tell you I think most coaches and I would much rather have that guy that can do some of those things you're like man just that there's your there's 10 12 14 of you guys on the planet that can do it and then figure out ways to get to you know some of the stuff that a player like myself can do like yeah take this six yard check down like roll the ball to them and so I think there's a lot of uncoachable traits there um I'd also say this they're in a world now and this is where you get into this development phase okay so we're in the middle of December essentially they're a playoff football team you're so in the world of winning winning you know and how do we win and so are we really hyper focused on improvement and development and progressing some of those things probably not because you're you're trying to like whatever it takes to win games uh in your preparation within the week is probably very much so very much so focused on that and like okay i'm calling this play how many times does caleb run this play in a live environment versus this defense and you get this look it might be a handful of times and so i just there there's been a really good evolution i i walk away very much on the positive side i love that uh dan you're uh 43 years old correct 42 42 years old sorry for putting that extra year on there 42 years old uh you look like you're in great shape you always also look really comfortable you're like the king of athleisure you always look like you're just kind of feeling good i appreciate that about you uh i'm immature i would wear sweatpants literally all the time that's listen if you have a job where you can wear sweatpants why not you made it yeah you won the lottery uh did you get a call from the colts or did they pass you over when they when they called philip rivers no i called them i called them and i said guys i am available uh dude i i didn't know i did not i got a text from a buddy that said you're you're younger than patrick or um philip rivers i said I'm in the Shelton High School Hall of Fame.

2:14:49He is going to be in the NFL Hall of Fame. So I'm shocked. I hope it works out great. I'm skeptical, not because I want to be an a-hole, but like he's 44. I'm sure he could throw it, all that stuff. But it's wild to me that this is where – you got to feel for Colts fans. 12 years ago, they drafted Andrew Luck. And you're like, all right, sweet. We got it. And then, nope, Andrew walks away. And then a couple of years ago, it's like, we got Carson Wentz. And he goes on like a little bit of a run. You're like, Carson Wentz is back. And then it falls off the face of the earth. And then we're going to draft the freakazoid from Florida.

2:15:29And he has like his first game. He launches the ball 100 yards downfield. Like, we got a guy. And then he can't do all the necessary things. He's got a broken face or a broken bone in his face. and then you get Daniel Jones who's like, wait, this is the one that's going to solve all the problems? Like he's an MVP candidate, and then that happens. So I feel bad for Colts fans. It's been bad. I have a question kind of outside of what's going on in the NFL this year, and this is a permission to glaze you for a second. Do you ever get bothered when people online are like, Orlovsky sucked in the NFL.

2:16:06Why are we going to listen to him? because I get bothered for you in the fact that I don't think people realize how hard it is to be good enough to start an NFL game. If you start an NFL game as a quarterback, that means you are one of a handful of guys that have the talent to be able to be in that position. Whether you end up having a great career or not, you're still really good at quarterback to even be at that level. People say that about me on the internet? No, I'm just saying, like, I see it like, like our guy Biz gets that, you know, like Biz gets that where it's like he scored seven goals or whatever.

2:16:42It's like, but he made the, like to make the NHL and play in the NHL, that means you're so much better than so many people. And all of a sudden, because you're not Wayne Gretzky, it's like, you can't have an opinion. It's crazy to me. Yeah. That's why I asked about the 300 yards stuff we were talking about before. Cause one of 300 or so, like on the history of the planet, there's 8 billion plus. I don't know how many people there's actually been. Yeah, like I always say, you know, I think there's been just short of like a thousand people that have played 10 or more years in the NFL. So I've played for 12 years, whether I was playing every snap or played sparingly or whatnot, like I did, you know, so I don't get caught.

2:17:24I used to get caught up in that a ton. But yeah, I don't like ice. I live in Westport, Connecticut, right? we got a lot of really good one of my favorite things is we got a lot of really good young athletes and so some of the times the parents come up to me and they're like hey is this time, should I get Peter over here private lessons and I was like what do you mean he was like he was 3 from 4 today with 3 singles and I'm like it ain't gonna happen it doesn't that's not real life that's a great point by the way because I think that's part of it I saw somewhere there was a poll, and it was like 30 % of parents thought that their kid was going to play D1 sports, and then 20 % thought they were going to go pro.

2:18:11And I think it's more just that people can't conceptualize that the best athlete you knew is still so far away from being in the pros. Yeah, correct. Like, I remember talking to Tyler at Dude Perfect because I've played some sports with Ty and I've golfed with Ty. And, like, he's a good athlete. And so I was like, tell me about, like, your sports background. Like, were you a superstar in high school? Like, because you could just play golf with him and see him move. And he's like, no, dude, I was very average in high school. And so, like, even there's levels. There's just levels. Like I always, my joke is when the parents are asking me about it, I'll be like, I'll have Marcus Spears.

2:18:53Marcus Spears is ridiculous athletic genes, him and his wife. And his son is the number one hooper in the country for his age group. And I'll be like, Marcus, send me a video of Junior. And I'll take the video and show it to the parents. I'll be like, does your son or daughter look like this? If not, it ain't happening. You know, like they don't look like this when they run around and move around and do what they're doing. So, yeah, dude, I also like, I don't know. I used, I'm going to be honest here. I'll be honest here. I'm going to get killed for it, but I don't care. Like I used to be one of those people that had that thought of like, yeah, if you didn't play, I don't know how much I actually care of what you say.

2:19:31This is probably a decade or so ago. And as I've been in this industry and I've been around people who have not played at certainly a high level. but when I hear him talking like yeah you get it you understand it you can see it that's a good point um I I have the same thought process you kind of think the same way as me like I've become much more um open to like having people who maybe didn't play um professional sports have their thoughts on sports I also did it did nothing to become six foot five um some people are like really good athletes but five nine five ten yeah and so like that's not their fault so right I don't really care that people say it anymore um i'm i'm so used to it that's healthy all right that was the side tangent because i just always was curious because i i get mad for you because i don't think people understand what it what it takes to get to that level it's so i sometimes want to fire like i sometimes want to fire we'll do it for you yeah you should send it text us a tweet and we'll just we'll we'll i had a i had a run last year someone was saying like i think there was something going on and I playfully always like comment sometimes mocking myself I love self-deprecation and it was something about Calvin and him going to the Hall of Fame I was like I made him and everyone was like you're a little bit was in that and so then I think it was the year of 2008 I just posted Calvin's stats because Calvin had like 89 catches for 1500 yards and 13 touchdowns or something and I was like yeah I mean Calvin look at the stats guys I was the quarterback for that year no big deal type stuff so sometimes i'll fire what was it like playing with him because calvin johnson was a guy if you didn't watch him play he was the definition of a cheat code he was huge he was strong he had great hands he was fast and he retired way too soon in my opinion good for him i'm glad that he felt secure enough to walk away when it was right for him but i wanted to watch him play more because he was so dominant when you were playing quarterback with him was it sometimes just like i'm gonna throw the ball up that's just the game plan.

2:21:37Calvin is on that side of the field. I'm going to throw the ball in his general direction and he'll figure out what to do from there. Oh, 100%. I've got so many Calvin stories. One, the most physically gifted athlete I've probably ever been around. He's six foot five, as am I. I just remember walking into the shower one time and mirrors into the bathroom in our facility. And Calvin and I are walking into the shower. A couple of things don't look like the other and uh calvin's hips were like to my chest and so just he was this long lean ridiculous athlete he had a great work ethic um and i don't need to wax poetic of like how good he was but i'll never forget we were going on the road against indy i was starting at this time and we put in a play where calvin was going to run like five yards and run a hitch route just we button hook hitch whatever we call it five yards it was great indy played cut three two coverages cover three which is soft and cover two which there's a corner right there and versus cover three it's a great play like you take the ball you throw it to the better player it's recess like my guy just go get eight yards it stinks versus cover two the play because the corner is standing right there so i remember we're installing this play and i'm like i raised my hand in the install i mean i'm like hey what are we gonna do versus cover two and they're like calvin if we get cover two just run a go route and so a couple seconds ago i go what if we what do you want me to do with the ball if it's cover two because in cover two there's a corner right there and then there's a safety over the top and they're like well if we get cover two just wait a second and throw deep to calvin and so my initial reaction is like you're coaching me to throw in a double coverage i can we do something else and so i was like i don't like that like can we do something else and they're like no if we get cover two calvin just run down the field and dan just throw it high and i go into the game i'm like fuck we're gonna call this play i'm gonna get cover two i'm gonna throw an idiot i'm gonna look like a douchebag and so drop back all right get the ball um i see cover two and fudge over two dudes heads just launched the ball like 30 yards downfield he plucks it out of the air and i just looked at the side and i was like i got it yeah yeah sometimes throw it up to him easy as that yeah calvin down there so it was the definition of the meme calvin down there somewhere yeah i'm gonna let it rip yeah dan i you had a tweet the other night which i i agreed with both sides of it and you talk about something that where you know sometimes people on the couch they just yell stuff at the tv and they don't really know what they're talking about sometimes that stuff comes true uh so the first part of your tweet i think meatheads were way ahead of the curve on this just watching football and being like running the football in shotgun formation stinks using shotgun formation all the time stinks and uh your take on it was that the eagles were in shotgun way way way way way way way way way way way way too much and we'll get to the second part of your tweet after that but i just want to hear you explain uh from like a an intelligent football savvy point of view why using shotgun formation all the time is detrimental for an offense okay so number one if i line up under center every play is available to me when it comes to like the defensive thoughts of what i can do and every direction is available to me There's very little tendency or tell when I'm the quarterback and I just line up under center and the running back's right behind me.

2:25:03I can hand it off to the left. I can hand it off to the right. I can hand it off inside left. I can hand it off outside left. Inside right. Outside right. I can fake it inside left. I can fake it inside right. I can fake it outside left. I can fake it out. I can drop back. I can throw it quick. I can throw it deep. I can throw it short. I can fake it left and go outside to the right. There's everything available. When I line up in the shotgun, there's a smaller option of what I can do. And there it's easier for the defense to figure all that out. Okay. If I'm in the gun and the backs to my left, am I actually going to hand the ball outside left?

2:25:36Am I going to, am I going to hand the ball inside left? Because that's really hard for a tailback to be to the left of a shotgun quarterback, get the ball and then get on the right track when it comes to the timing of blocks. Um, am I going to fake the ball to the left and then go all the way out to my right again you it's there's it's the unlikelihood of so i think it shrinks what the defense has to think about the second thing is when i'm under center i turn my back to you in a play action fake you cannot see the ball and the gun you can't all the time there's always you can always see the football now many are miami would at times like spin to around for some of play fix which i like but it's not the defense is very rarely when you're in the shotgun playing on their heels like if you could imagine a quarterback under center taking a ball or taking the snap and immediately opening up to his left and giving his the defense's back defenders are constantly thought go to the ball or go to the ball go to the ball so like their initial reaction is like i don't see the ball i'm going to go chase the ball i'm going to chase the action we're in the shotgun you you constantly see the ball quarterback catches it right around chest level you can see always defensive linemen can see like if you watch teams i watch defensive linemen against shotgun teams they'll the ball gets snapped and like they're engaging with the offensive linemen while also like looking at the quarterback because they can see the ball right so like it's just easier i think and so i don't think it forces defenses to play nearly as in doubt, which should be one of your offensive goals.

2:27:17And so that's the deep dive of at least the initial point of why I don't like it as much as Undersender. Yeah, that's a great explanation. And then the second part of your tweet was about Justin Herbert, the quarterback for the Chargers after Monday Night Football. You said, Herbert is an animal champion warrior legend. High praise. Is that the first? Is he the only animal champion warrior legend? Is there anybody else who's in there? Is this just something like on the fly? You typed animal and you're like, that's not enough. Champion. That's not enough. Warrior. That's not enough. Or did you hit the autofill thing that's at the top right of your screen where it's like you might want to use this word next?

2:27:55I want you to walk us through the animal champion warrior legend honor that you bestowed upon. So my favorite version of football is high school football. I love high school football. My kids are about to be playing high school football. That is a saying from when I played high school football. So I played high school football in Shelton, Connecticut. um it's a it's called the valley it's a little bit of a blue collar town and our our coach and our strength coach at this time was a dude named chris anderson total maniac absolute psychopath in the best way um and so like he had this saying of like creating the identity of what we were going to be as high school football players athletes and it was an animal champion warrior legend this is yeah dude it was that's great and so like we that was uh and he uh he also had this uh saying called mafu m-a-f-u we used to chant it on the sidelines like um mental toughness uh animal warrior fanatical effort and unity that's what mafu stood for we used to be on third down be like mafu mafu um and so like the animal champion warrior legend was like that badge of honor as a high school football player where like if you got to that level like you were you were a dude uh and so like it just i actually got text messages from the other day like hey this is copyrighted you can't use this that's awesome i mean i get it and that's actually a great description for our he played like a tough-ass high school quarterback on monday football with that broken hand so yeah listen good job describing it i think that I think you nailed it.

2:29:32He's an animal champion warrior legend. Yeah. Yeah. He was. And I tweeted that. And so many people were like, he sucked. He played terrible. Herbert, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I never said anything about how he played. I just said, playing with a broken hand after surgery, hats off. Getting sacked seven times. All right. So, on the other side of that game, the Eagles, are they broken beyond repair? Max seems to think so. But give him some positivity. Like, is there a fix here? because their defense is really, really good. And you saw it on Monday night. It's if their offense can figure it out a little bit, they could be back in the Super Bowl.

2:30:09Yeah. So I actually liked a lot of what I saw from their offense on Monday night. I am probably more encouraged coming out of that game than I have been in two months with their offense. For two months, it's just been like, you're predictable. You run the same routes. Your offense is a very pass game wise, like straight line. There's very little horizontal. There's very little play action. And so I saw a lot more of the things that I believe are needed in offensive football nowadays in the NFL. Yes, interceptions, two of them are dropped. One of them is a bad decision by the quarterback. Another is not having to plan for pressure.

2:30:47So like, I'm not sitting here, everyone telling like, yeah, this is, this is solving all the issues. But I do think if you clean up three or four or five plays, which Hertz has notoriously done, I think that there's a lot to be encouraged from Lane Johnson's got to get healthy. We all know that. So, I mean, that's just like watching them play. I think if you can clean up some of that stuff, the likelihood of them dropping two interceptions, not going to be a consistent thing. So like, I do believe walking away from that game, there's a lot on tape that you could sit there and go like, hey, we there this this was a better and more creative scheme and version of who we can be this year.

2:31:31We can't talk about last year anymore. This ain't the same group as last year. But I don't like listen, you hear stuff about what's going on behind the scenes, whether it's true or not, whether there's reality to, you know, AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts not getting along, you hear it. I don't know whether that people are running frustrated once again with the quarterback. You hear it. I don't know if that's true. That's not me spreading rumors or gossiping. You just hear it. And so like, is that stuff as hard to overcome as even as much as like a lack of talent or scheme diversity? Yeah. Like I think when they went on their Super Bowl run, it was like the tightest team ever.

2:32:13This feels like with all the noise that you're hearing around like a team that might be separating and like the the furthest from that and so I do think that it's um they can get it together scheme wise if they clean some stuff up but will they get it together uh when it comes to like truly like love playing with each other like you could watch Buffalo play and you're like those dudes love playing football together like those dudes love playing football together I don't necessarily get that vibe when I watch Philly. And the craziest part is if AJ Brown catches that pass, like a lot of this feels better because they win a big game on Monday Night Football and it was a great throw from Jalen Hurts.

2:32:53Yeah, totally. And I, um, you know, Jalen, it's Jalen. He's such a lightning rod because I, and I've said this, I used to be crazy critical of Hurts and I used to be like, and then he goes on you know he has a season where he's kind of trending towards an mvp and then he goes to the super bowl and he plays just as good if not better than patrick and they lose on the last play of the game they have a down year under a new coordinator he goes to this this past 2024 season he goes on a really good run he plays good during the regular season okay but he has a pretty darn good playoff run he's ridiculous in the super bowl and so you're like all right i can't necessarily hate on you all the time you're you're proving everybody who hates on you wrong you ball in the biggest moments if i took you outside right now and we just took all the starting quarterbacks and we just put you in shorts and we threw it you wouldn't be the guy that you're like that's the pick i want you know like he'd probably be in the you know the 15 to 18 range as far as like just dropping back and throwing the football and looking like a a thrower or a passer, but he's big in big-time moments.

2:34:09And so, like, no, are we taking Jalen Hurts as a superstar, stereotypical quarterback? No, but I do think that he's just played at a high level in big moments. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And, Max, do you feel any better? He gave you a little bit of positivity. Yeah, it's positivity. No. Okay. No, okay. That's right. Thank you. I appreciate the explanation. Thank you for the attempt. Thank you for all those words you said. I will not take any of them into consideration. I saw they were asking Nick Sirianni today in press conferences if he was going to bench Hurts. Yeah, great question by the media. Yeah, great question.

2:34:53I'm just so glad that the question was asked. It tells me that the media still got their fastball. And this dude, 11 months ago, won MVP of the Super Bowl. Yeah. They're like, hey. Tanner McKee, though. Things change fast. You might win multiple Super Bowls. You never know. Yeah. Which of these two teams do you think is more dead, the Chiefs or the Cowboys?

2:35:17That's a great question. Great question. I would tell you that I think it's the Chiefs. I think it's the Chiefs for the now and for, like, the immediate future. Oh. Because I was just assuming that the Chiefs, they go through their eras. appropriately. And, and now they're in their era's era. And then after this, they're just going to reinvent themselves and be fine. But yeah. Yeah. Why do you, why do you say that? One, this is a team that's been trending for two years now with the, we just got a like self-inflicted wounds hurt us. We, maybe it's not just the self-inflicted wounds. Like maybe there's been a lot masked because, you know, quarterback and the coach have been so good and so big moments.

2:35:58So like, if you look at the chiefs right now, unlikely to make the playoffs um what's big question marks with okay what does travis do for his future they're 32 million dollars over the cap for next year how do you rebuild the offensive line that once again has been disappointing the defense has fallen off the face of the earth this is a defense that for the last two three years has been top five in just about everything they're bottom five in a bunch and their main identity was pressure they're like one of the worst blitzing teams when it comes to like the ability to blitz, the efficiency of blitzing, the execution of blitzing.

2:36:36Their best cover corner has kind of had an up and down year, McDuffie. And so like Chris Jones, what's his future? He hasn't been nearly as dominant. And so for a team that has that much money over the cap and going to have to, it feels like not only make some decisions from like an organizational perspective on some guys, but maybe those guys also having to make a decision. and this is a division that with the chargers and the broncos are just like doing this yeah and so like i think that there's a real okay what truly is the future of kansas city we know patrick's ridiculous um and that this isn't saying anything other than that but like i just think like this is a little bit i don't know if it's just a snap my fingers and all of a sudden we're back to being you know the super bowl favorite next year because there's there's a lot of unknown and question mark where like if you're dallas offensive line's really good and cheap the the receivers are ridiculous the franchise tag pickings would be my guess dac played great this year you got a young back that you like the defensive line is much improved you know i think that there's like a reality for dallas with some of their picks you're sitting there going dallas can be a really good football team next year if they draft well and um are able to like maneuver the cap a little bit Yeah.

2:37:55Okay, Dan, I got one last question for you. This is always great having you on. We love having you on. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE. I want to ask you about a team that gets not a lot of media coverage, but you can make the argument is one of the hottest teams in the NFL, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Are they for real?

2:38:22um i'm gonna say yes they're for real one we talked about the conference being wide open uh it depends on who shows up at quarterback i think trevor lawrence has plays and stretches we're like you're the best player in football like you you you look like the best player in the position i mean he has some throws and some plays athletic running i think he's much more um athletically instinctual this year he's less robotic which has always been my complaint about trevor you're trying to be too perfect just freaking go play like i don't know if you've seen trevor in person but like trevor's he's a monster i mean he's a monster and sometimes like so like he's i'm much better in that regard this year um and so again he has plays you're like holy crap and then he has plays you're like what are you doing dude like why did like why you why did you do that or like why did you make that throw and so like it's what guy shows up um the defense is good like they're aggressive i don't think that they're locked down or dominant but like dude if trevor shows up and those receivers are playing at the level they gotta catch the football Like, can Jacksonville go on the road to the Chargers and beat them?

2:39:39No question. You know, can they get to the Final Four of the AFC? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Jaguars are going to be very happy. I feel like they have been disrespected a little bit. Like, people are not taking them seriously as a football team right now. And they've been playing really good football, especially since the fourth quarter against the Texans when Liam Cohen was like, just let it rip, dude. Let it rip. Yeah, man. That's what he's done. I looked it up. You are the, you're one of 412 quarterbacks to ever throw for 300 yards in the game. So congrats. I thought it was a little bit lower than that, but that's the modern era.

2:40:12I'm going to respond to a lot of the stuff on the internet with saying, I'm not one of one, one of 412 and see who picks it up. Yeah. See who gets it. Yeah. It's an elite club. Congratulations on being in it. And so, yeah, we like having you on, Dan. Thank you for the insight. Yes. I appreciate you guys. Good to be with you. All right. And also congrats on calling Monsters, Inc. That was sick. It was awesome. It's a lot of fun. You know, like I think the game helped it. You know, like the game was such a chaotic disaster that it was actually ideal for that type of setting. My son, I do it mainly for my son.

2:40:50Like it's cool to be a part of it. But my son, who's autistic, loves character creation and animation and imagination. So like he honestly was the happiest human on the planet. That's awesome. Very cool. I love it. I love it. All right, Dan. Thanks so much, man. All right, boys. Dan Orlovsky was brought to you by Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi. Pepsi brings a flavor and it makes those flavors pop. The sweetness and the carbonation of Pepsi, it really elevates the taste of nachos, doesn't it? Pepsi enhances the flavor of your food. Nachos are even better when you pair them with Pepsi. I'm choosing Pepsi every single time.

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2:42:45Kept coming on. I'm like, all right, there's probably something wrong with my tire. Brought it in to get one simple fix. And then they banged me. They're like, well, you need to fix, replace this tire. You should probably replace all four. and here's like six other things that it's not mandatory that you replace them but you probably should and i was like fuck it like my car's already getting here save the time if i have to do it again like this will this will set me i'll be good for like a year at least they pretty much had your car hostage yeah and then they came out and they're like if you want to get it back i'd highly recommend you do all this and then today my tire thing was like it was it was worse than it ever was came back on new tire same same like my back left tire uh but you have a sick car i have a sick car but i don't is it the sickest car no who's got the sickest probably the alchemy now yeah but like no non-secondary cars right what do you mean like non-secondary cars your primary car is your car sicker than mine it's cool it's yeah it's fresher it's more custom your car is sicker than mine.

2:43:52More custom. You're not saying your car's sicker than mine anymore. Hank's also put a lot of work into his car. Yeah, and I'm going to have to now put more work in. It's crazy that Hank bullied you into getting a new car. But then I got a way sicker car than him. You do have a sick car now. Yeah, but now he can't. Now he can't say shit because I got a sicker car than you, bro. You do have a sicker car than me. That's a fact, but when it's parked next to Jerry's car, it kind of looks like Lil Bro. That's accurate. That's fine. Jerry needs a booster seat to get in his Escalade. Yeah, imagine that.

2:44:23I also saw the new Hummers yesterday On the street looks kind of sick The ones that do the crab walk? It's like Although it's electric Which kind of defeats the entire purpose of a Hummer Also Jerry lives in the suburbs He can have a car like that I can't Driving that around and parking in the city would suck I did consider getting the electric Hummer Because it does a thing You can crip walk your car It goes like sideways Really? Yeah That would be very PFT. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do. But yeah, it sucks. It sucks because I'm such a pussy and I know that I'm not going to do anything, but I know I should cause a stink.

2:45:05What do they need to fix? I don't know. I have to bring it in again, but it's like I brought it in a month and a half ago and it cost me a lot. Did you get a nail in your tire? I don't know. I got a new tire. Like it's just weird Yeah I don't know why you got a new tire When you probably just had a I got four new tires And this sounds like They got you on that one Yeah But then it's the same The same issue So it's not Yeah it's like Your back left tire It's like almost like They gotta check the computer It's set up yeah It sounds like a skill issue It sounds like you're driving your car Over something that That deflates it Well Max Your mic's on Well did memes That was me That was me I thought it was Hank's suspension I was gonna say that Where Oh your suspension's wrong They fixed it You gotta figure this out bro Everything that they said I should fix even if it was mandatory I said fix it same thing oh that's why you got banged I'm saying yeah if you go in and just say fix everything no no they're like you got to replace the tire and then also like it was like your alignment and suspension should probably be fixed I'm like you know what fuck it I'll spend the money just fix everything but now you're going to go in with the tan and the bleach hair true they're going to know not to fuck with you true this guy means business he's probably going to blade on him it's true yeah okay Okay.

2:46:18My Firefest of the week is, kind of laughed about it a second ago because it's kind of funny. We were just filming a commercial this week, and one of the scenes was in the El Camino, and me and Zach were in there. Zach did a great job, by the way. Good job, Zach. In the commercial shoot. And they were trying to frame up the shot correctly, and a guy came over to me. He's like, hey, PFT, can we fold up this blanket and have you sit on it to make your head higher? i looked over at zach i go zach this doesn't leave the car oh no this never happened um i'm a i'm a consummate professional and i was like yeah sure yeah no problem i'll sit on i'll sit on the booster blanket no problem um but yeah it was uh it was announced in front of the entire crew time for you to get a booster blanket oh yeah whatever i'm as god made me um i was just reminded that when hank was talking about the booster thing with jerry and then my my real fire fest of the week is uh the level of discourse with the james madison dukes and the oregon ducks i think has reached critical mass i think we've had we've gone through all the different phases where we're like why isn't notre dame in why is the playoff setup like this they're going to get blown out i've tried to be very humble about everything because i know that oregon is a much bigger stronger more physical team loaded with nfl guys on that roster jmu uh has some great players but they've probably got like three guys that could play on the ducks um and then yesterday bud said that it was possibly a health and safety issue but elliot but elliot yeah but elliot was like this has become a health and safety issue you threw you threw out bud like he was a good friend of ours yeah but but said it but elliot co-hosts with tom franelli on the cover three podcast great podcast and he knows he knows way more about every roster than i could ever imagine to scratch the surface of.

2:48:10He knows. So you're saying it is a health and safety. No, he said he reached the point where he was like, I'm worried for the health and safety of JMU playing against Oregon. Like Oregon doesn't play against FCS teams every year. Like Oregon doesn't play against bad. Not in playoff games. Not in playoff games. But the discourse has now gone so far off the charts. Yeah. That I'm just ready to say, fuck it. Let's go win the game. Yeah. Why not? Because they're. Why not? Why not? Listen, I'm rooting for you. I'm going to bet on JMU. I want you guys to shock the world because I think it would be awesome and hilarious.

2:48:45And I don't like Oregon. I have nothing. Oregon has given me some bad losses. Although in football, they've given me some bad losses. But if you want me to play devil's advocate, why not? Oregon's better. Why not, though? Because they're so good that it actually is potentially a health and safety issue. It's not a health and safety issue. I'm saying it's a health and safety issue To pretend to be concerned That people are going to be going to the hospital In this game Because the Oregon Ducks are so much better than JMU You know what, I'm going to use the J. Billis It's a little bit disingenuous Yeah, we're not the best team They're much better than us Notre Dame is a much better football team than we are Don't care I'm at the point now where it's like The public is now so anti-Tulane And anti-JMU That now I have to be fuck you let's go win the football game yeah i'm i'm rooting for you i'm rooting for tulane because i want to see it shoved in the like i'm i'm a firm believer i understand notre dame should be in and i i think they should have been in over alabama but i don't think that you can have a college football play people will say oh you can't have a college football playoff without the 12 best teams you also can't have a college football playoff if you just eliminate half of the sport just because they're smaller schools yeah so they got to find an equal place last year Like I said, we had 12 teams and the bottom half of them were not good enough.

2:50:08This year we had too many teams. It happens. Also, in the first round of playoffs last year, if you look at the scores, they were lopsided. They were almost all blowouts. Yeah. And I would argue that maybe the biggest blowout might have been the closer game, which was Indiana against Notre Dame. No, it was Ohio State, Tennessee. Remember that game? That was a blowout. That was a fucking shit kick. But I know Indiana lost by like 10 points, but that game, it felt like it was a 35 point victory for Notre Dame. Yeah. So people are like, you might get blowouts. Guess what? You had blowouts before.

2:50:38It's not a health and safety issue. Stop saying it's a health and safety issue. Okay. No one say it. My firefest is simple. Well, it's just everyone in this office is sick, and I am, knock on wood, feeling okay right now, but I think that the timing has set me up for failure, where I'm going to get sick right when we take a break, and it's bullshit, and it's not right. It happens. It's not right. It shouldn't be like, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be allowed. It shouldn't be allowed. I don't get, we get very few breaks in the calendar year. They're going to get me sick right before the break. Our bodies know.

2:51:16And I also just. This is a safe space to be sick now. It doesn't help because I just don't sleep either. There's just no, my house, we don't do sleep. It's fucking crazy. We just don't do sleep. No one sleeps. We just, every night, we just, at two o 'clock in the morning, it's a fucking party in my house. So what's up? We doing something? Oh, we're up. Oh, we just want to walk around and do shit. That's just what we do in my house. On the nights where I do go to bed early, those are nights that I can't fall asleep. But I fall asleep. I then get woken up every single... I'm on a streak of like a month straight of being woken up in the middle of the night.

2:51:51That's tough. It's fucking brutal. We don't sleep. It's just a rule in my house. No sleep. You got no naps, right, Hank? I got no sleep. Tough day for you. It's a rule. Okay. I can't believe I woke you up that one. time oh when was that that was when the podcast didn't post no no that was taylor swift oh oh yeah that's right why what happened taylor swift we thought we were gonna get sued because we had taylor swift on oh yeah at the uh at the invitation that was better safe than sorry oh yeah that's right i was like how did you wake me up i have my phone on silent yeah you came in yep the light came in and yeah that's that might have been the night before that might have been the last time i slept a full night so you started the streak that's oh no the night before that was no i think zach did it the night after yeah the night after yeah i just woke up at five in the morning for no reason just to wake me up that was bad yeah i actually think that there's like a conspiracy i i had the thought because i had like two weeks ago i want to say i had a night where my My kids didn't wake me up and Stella had diarrhea.

2:52:58So it was like I was up like four times in the middle of the night taking her out. I was like, I think there's a conspiracy going on to make sure I don't sleep. But guess what? Built different. I got it. Knock on wood because I really don't want to get sick. All right. Zach, finish us off. My favorite of the week is a quick one as well. It's the dead car batteries. So we were the other day we had to do some like a Chevrolet Jenga in the back in the garage because we've got a we got double vanning and we got the El Camino coming in for the winter. and they all and so none of them currently start currently run for like maybe a number of reasons yeah they're they're pretty parked we need to make space uh the double vans they're kind of long full-size vans right and so we had to like we'll start the double vannies to get the camino in we weren't sure if we're going to pull them up and go sideways or if we were going to take one out and replace it but then take one out and replace it went away because nothing is starting so we're kind of brainstorming on like how do we move these massive we should get a third van yeah we should but make sure it doesn't work

2:54:02so we got the jenga yes and we can't but we so the idea we're finally we're like i almost drove vandy 1.0 through a storage container oh i thought i thought taking it out of park would would help start it oh did it no it started rolling oh your foot wasn't on the brake oh that's great i think it might be less a foot on brake than more so doesn't have that much brakes because the day before i almost ended up between the storage container and the van oh my god because the plan was all right we'll just go in neutral and roll it yeah but the garage is on a hill yeah and she's a heavy bitch and there's a couple there's two from the chute the tow truck guy down there and like the the vote on just roll them ended up being the majority but then they're just like okay we'll get in front of it and hold it like we're just strong enough guys to stop this van from coming down mountain and who was that me and the two dudes from the shoot and dom's in the driver's seat trying to get it together make sure he stops it and then we're like this will work we're strong enough and then immediately after dom comes off or goes into the break yeah you see him stand up out of the seat like full body weight on the break and it was just almost us three dudes inside the storage unit destroyed by the van.

2:55:19I learned a valuable lesson on like maybe speak up sometimes. So you guys almost got killed by vans that can't even start. Yes. Yes. That would be a hell of a way to go out. Bad. Yeah. Got hit by a car. Oh, man, it must be going fast. No, it actually doesn't even start. Doesn't run. So I think I'm going to start speaking up just in those kind of situations. Yeah, you got to. You got to speak up more. We were going with the flow too much and it almost ended in catastrophe. Yeah. Gotta speak up more, Zach. Also, you did a good job this week. You woke up at the right time every single day. Okay, that was a tough one.

2:55:53We got a new alarm app. Oh, TJ put you onto it? He put me onto an alarm app subscription base, but, I mean, some things are worth it. Okay. Why do you subscribe to an alarm? I subscribe to an alarm because I had a wake-up issue the other day. I was on yesterday's time the next day. I guess this is where I'm just going to promote it. What could a subscription possibly offer? Louder alarms. You have to do math for it to go off, to turn it off. Yeah. What if you're bad at math? I am bad at math. So you have to start every day off with a math problem? Yeah. Yes. You have to start off with a math problem.

2:56:32Because yesterday or two days ago, Zach's problem was not the alarm didn't go off. The alarm went off. He just set it too early, and then he went back to sleep. It was on the yesterday alarm, and then I got caught in this half-sleep, not-sleep void. And I let the sleep void win. Right. So now you're going to have to do a math problem to get out of the sleep. Several math problems. What are the math problems? I think TJ was showing me it's like basic math. But unfortunately, I did fall asleep outside my phone off the charger. So I didn't get to do the math problems until I cut it back on this morning.

2:56:59And luckily, the backup backup alarm still went off. Okay. What's the backup backup alarm? I got the bomb and I got the Alexa. And then my phone. That's the worst way to wake up, though, to do a math problem. I'd be like am I in hell Yes but nothing's It's still better than not waking up Yeah We'll take hell over shame And anything that could come with not waking up all day Yeah Alright good fire fest You guys too Good show boys Week 15 enjoy it Make sure you enjoy it Savor it Who are you coming down Army Navy Army Navy over Personal challenge Respect I like Villanova over Tarleton State We're talking about this game too much FCS That was too much Wrap it up Wrap it up FCS Big villain of a football guy Good job memes I'm rooting for Shane here Good job memes Why are you rooting for Shane?

2:57:56He just needs a win Why what happened? He just needs a win What? Max has been bullying him all week Has Max lost? Has he been bullying you Shane? You've been bullying him Shane has he been bullying you? Shane is Everyone's been pulling I'm going to take 15 I'll take 57 44 19

2:58:2123 23 22 One more It's not the same number Get really close to it memes Shane almost got it He was thinking of the number You got this Shane Come on, Shane. Everyone's got the same number. Say it again. 37. 19. 100. 44. 15. 8.

2:58:5093. 93. So many threes. So many threes, but not the three you need, memes. 39 guesses away. Man, you're never going to get it. If somebody had won, then we should get a picture taken of them. And then, Shane, could you make a thumbnail of that? I could do that. Love you guys

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