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9:39Big Cat:They're just like, look at this cool robot program we came up with that makes you think like you're watching football in the year 3000.

9:44PFT Commenter:We got something that hopefully people won't bitch about. Yeah, but guess what? I'm bitching about it because— Yeah, no, we're bitching about it for other reasons, but like I'm saying, the Bills-Chiefs game.

9:53Big Cat:Yeah, exactly. But they still have the chain gang on the sideline. Yeah. And they're just standing there with their dick in their hand watching like a bunch of cucks while a robot takes their job. It's bullshit. Like they didn't bring him out on the field. They might as well be sitting in a leather chair in a hotel room corner. They're just sitting there like, okay, yeah, go to the robots. Go to the robots, Chris. Thanks.

10:10PFT Commenter:I also don't like that they clearly set it up for the first, the debut of it to be a first down, a clear first down. Yeah. They didn't want, they didn't want that smoke. They didn't want to be right up against that, that, that yellow line.

10:21Big Cat:And they're trying to figure out a way to make it a presentation. You don't know what's going to happen until they inch the yellow line out there. Because when you first look at the ball, there's no yellow line. And they're like, now we'll show you where the yellow line is. Yep. That's fucked up. I don't like it at all.

10:33PFT Commenter:By the way, breaking moves.

10:37PFT Commenter:Breaking moves. The over in the Hall of Fame game has just hit. Cash it. So can't go undefeated if you don't start 1-0. I thought you were going to say that Terry was traded. No, come on, dude. That would be breaking moves, wouldn't it? It would be. It could happen at any minute. We should talk about it. Micah. But before we do that, I'm kind of blinded by, what's that orange hat you're wearing, dude? I got this orange hat at Pastrana Land.

11:05Big Cat:But wait, isn't that the orange hat that they only gave out to like 42 people in the world? Low 40s, yes. And I was gracious enough to award me with one. You got awarded with one. I was awarded with one by Travis Pastrana from my 30s. You were gracious enough to accept it. Wholeheartedly, yes. Yeah, you were.

11:23PFT Commenter:But yeah, so for people who don't know, PMTV out already. Incredible video. We went to Pastrana Land. Travis Pastrana is the coolest guy ever. It was so much fun. Dream come true. Dream come true. And Zach stole the show because he was the most badass guy we got. And now he's got a hat that you can only get if you get medvacked out or do a new trick that's never been done. Your new trick was the barrel roll. It was a barrel roll. Barrel roll, yeah. We managed barrel roll, boys. Yeah, we did.

11:52Big Cat:not quite sure how but we did Zach my favorite part of the video is when you're going back getting ready to hit the jump and you just keep repeating the mantra to yourself just like what was it full throttle no kill switch kill switch it's like kill switch go straight don't go right he gave me strict instructions and I didn't want to forget them so I just pounded I just kept repeating them as well as I could we were doing the interviewing Travis while you were practicing What level, what percentage of, like, I can do this were you at while we were doing the podcast? Where was your head at during it beforehand?

12:30So while you guys were doing the podcast, Street Bike Tommy, shout out to Street Bike Tommy. Yes, legend. He was teaching me how to ride a dirt bike for the first time. And for a majority of those lessons, which he was great at teaching me everything, slowing it down, repeating stuff, because I did ask the same questions probably multiple times. I didn't feel too good about it.

12:49PFT Commenter:No, zero is the answer. You were at a zero. It was not looking good on the bike at all. You just kept on going slower and slower and falling off. He kept saying, speed it up, speed it up. And I was like, okay, I'll go a little quicker. And then I just went the same speed every time. It was not good.

13:02Big Cat:When Travis sent the 15-year-old girl to do the backflip right in front of you to show you how it's done, did that make you more confident or was that demoralizing? I think it gave me a little bit of confidence because I was like, okay, someone just safely went in the foam pit. So you can safely go in. And I was like, hopefully I can safely go in. She's a badass. true she ripped a backflip though

13:23PFT Commenter:yeah but that's been done a million times in Pastrana Land that is true a lot of guys backflip I'm sure many will barrel roll but we did barrel roll the other day at Pastrana Land yes the hat is so sick most unreal day ever you're the most badass on this podcast you guys are badass too but we did rip a dirt bike into the foam pit the other day and it was sick we don't have hats we don't have hats Terry Yeah. Terry McLaurin has requested a trade. Requested. Max just perked up. Requested a trade. Max just perked up.

13:56Big Cat:There's a difference between requesting a trade and demanding a trade. Okay. He hasn't demanded a trade. He requested a trade.

14:02PFT Commenter:Okay.

14:02Big Cat:Everybody requests a trade. That's not true. Three guys requested a trade in the last five years. Three receivers. Guess how many got traded? Zero. Zero. None of them. Mims is only up one finger. One? Who, Mims? Evo Samuel. Oh, Debo Samuels on your team. No, he went back to camp and played a full season for the 49ers. But then what happened? Then he got traded to the commanders because the commanders are a better organization. Who were the other three? There was T. Higgins. Okay. Requested a trade. Yeah. And someone else did it too. Ayuk, I think. Okay. Ayuk did it last year, yeah.

14:38PFT Commenter:Yeah, yeah. So, and Terry wants over$33 million.

14:43Big Cat:The numbers I've heard are that we've offered 27, 28, and he wants 33.

14:50PFT Commenter:That's a big gal. And you want to try to keep your El Camino?

14:54Big Cat:I would like to, but if you listen to later on in the show, I might have already given it away. That's true. That's a problem. You've got to buy another one.

15:00PFT Commenter:Yeah. So you said 110 % confidence. I did say that. I say a lot of things. And so where are we at now?

15:09Big Cat:111. Got 1 % better today.

15:12PFT Commenter:The request of a trade actually got you more confident that it's going to be done.

15:15Big Cat:It makes me want him more.

15:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. That's probably what he's doing. It does feel like, though, this is a little bit of a game of chicken, where this probably, the request of a trade should have probably happened a while ago. Now that we're in camp, like, what's going to happen?

15:30Big Cat:Well, the way I'll put it, Hank, you're actually a good person to ask this question, too. You had to do summer reading as a kid, right? Yeah. When you got to August 1st, did you ever have it done?

15:41PFT Commenter:Never. Well, no, wait, hold on. You got to, that was a loaded question. Hank, did you ever do your summer reading?

15:47Big Cat:No.

15:48PFT Commenter:So that's a problem.

15:49Big Cat:Did you ever do the Sparknotes for your summer reading? I don't, this is pre-internet.

15:53PFT Commenter:Yeah, I don't think so. The Sparknotes also. Sparknotes is a book. Did you ever. You don't have opened that. You don't have to open those.

15:59Big Cat:Did you ever try to do your summer reading at any point? Yes. Did you ever open a book? Yes, yes, yes, yes. When would that typically have been? August 20th. There you go. There you go. So we're pretty much doing a book report with Terry. Okay. So we just have to get it done by the first day of school, and then Terry will get it done. In this analogy, you guys would be trying to get the deal done during the first quarter of the first game. And you wouldn't get it done. No, and then you'd be like, hey, did you guys get the deal done? You'd be like, fuck. And you'd get an F on the trade. Yeah.

16:30PFT Commenter:Use anyone else but Hank.

16:32Big Cat:No, I think this is a great example. I think what I'm saying is we're just – there's no sense of urgency right now. It's whatever. I think the urgency is coming. Yeah, no, it's here. year he's arrived we're just at camp there's plenty of fans out people are ready for the season if that's really what the hold up is if we're talking about a difference of six million dollars i say just give him 33 million i say pay terry okay i say pay terry not your money he's worth 33 million dollars at least minimum he's done it i'm on terry's side of this we got to figure out a way to get it done because terry is the perfect teammate he's an awesome guy great football player his numbers last year were incredible you need him if you want to be inside the super bowl if If Terry's not on the team, I think I might have to exclude this year from the Super Bowl window.

17:15Big Cat:Because we're in the window. I'm not thinking Soupy. I'm not saying we're going to win the Super Bowl. But we're in the window. If he's not on the team, this is not a window year. The window. A great quarterback doesn't need, you know, star wide receivers to be in the window. I'm closing the window. Top five. Top five. This is actually, it's worse for Max because Max, he, this, you have a lot of credibility on Jaden being a top five quarterback. No, I've been told that top five quarterbacks doesn't matter what their wide receivers are. If you have good wide receivers, it's actually worse for your standing in the quarterbacks.

17:49Big Cat:Who told you that? Everyone in the media who says that Jalen Hurts, having good wide receivers makes him a bad quarterback. Everyone in the media said that? Yeah, and Justin Herbert being a top five quarterback because he has bad wide receivers. Well, that's Trey Lance's job now, buddy. Sure. Yeah. Brady never had great receivers. It actually helps my standing if Jaden Daniels doesn't have good wide receivers because that's the only thing that people care about. Brady did have good wide receivers. That's a lie.

18:17PFT Commenter:He had a Hall of Fame tight end, probably the best tight end ever. Memes has a smirk on his face. You think Hernandez has a Hall of Fame? Yeah. Yeah, well, Memes has a huge smirk on his face. You can't see him from this angle. Many woodhead angles are a little tight.

18:30Big Cat:You know why you can't see Memes from this angle? Because his fat ass won't fit in the seat without hitting the horn. He tried to climb into the driver's seat a second ago, ass cheek right on the horn. He's like, well, I can't do that. Memes, would you like to – you're smiling.

18:47PFT Commenter:Because I'm unfortunately – it looks like Terry McLaurin might get traded, and I have PFT's side in the fact that I said he's not going to get traded. So I'll be wrong with PFT, but Memes and Max have been the trolls. Memes, go ahead. Are you going to take a victory lap right now? not yet but the Jets do have the best odds

19:05Big Cat:to land Terry oh my god and I do like El Camino's Terry also Terry has a lot of experience playing with bad quarterbacks so that would be a good fit for him what are you going to say to that we don't know this is Justin Fields best opportunity I do like Justin Fields I just like making fun of memes more but we got to get it done and tell you what my official stance I'm not trading Terry. Okay. What are you going to do if you don't get it done? Request refused. Are you going to give up any other cars? No. Cry? No, I'm going to cry. Okay. I promise you this. If we trade Terry, I will cry. Would you rather Terry go to the Jets or the Patriots if you had to pick one?

19:47Big Cat:If I had to pick one? Jets. Jets. Not even a question. That didn't take me half a second to think that too, Hank. I would prefer Patriots. Same. Yeah, I I know you would. But if the shoe was on the other foot and it was A.J. Brown, you would say go to the Jets, right? Oh, for sure. But there's one difference there. Terry McLaurin has requested a trade. Requested. That's the politest way. People aren't talking about how polite it is to request a trade instead of demand a trade. Well, that was how Schefter put it. We don't know. He might have demanded. No, I saw many reports saying that was requested.

20:21Big Cat:They all just copy Schefter. Well, Jordan Schultz came out with it first, which is somewhat of a red flag. that his agent went to Jordan Schultz first.

20:29PFT Commenter:Well, he probably got some Uber stock.

20:30Big Cat:Probably. Yeah, that's what this is about. This is probably an entirely made-up story just for Jordan Schultz to keep forking over money to Terry's agent. Glad we got to the bottom of that. Okay, so that's it. So let's talk about Micah.

20:42PFT Commenter:Yeah, yeah, Micah. What do you got about Micah? He's not happy. Yeah.

20:49Big Cat:He should probably get traded. He's unhappy. I would consider Terry for Micah.

20:54PFT Commenter:you already said you already tried to trade terry for big dom i did but i realized that was a pipe

20:59Big Cat:dream yeah i turned that down yeah if big dom came to washington he would 100 just be a bowl for the for the eagles you can't take the eagles out of that guy absolutely i would trade yeah terry for

21:08PFT Commenter:micah i think that's that makes sense yeah um okay any other football stuff oh antonio gates will be the first uh hall of famer to be inducted that never played a down of college football Kind of cool. Stud. That's pretty crazy. That's very cool. That's very cool. Any other football stuff? We just got training camps going. Crazy training camp stuff. The fat guy in Tampa is still fat.

21:30Big Cat:It's very much, yeah.

21:31PFT Commenter:That's the update. They just had him in his jersey on the sideline today. Yeah. He's not even walking anymore. He was leaning on some practice equipment. It didn't look too, it was a little disheartening. I hope they get him on the field so soon.

21:45Big Cat:It's messed up how they have a camera just following him around. I know. As he's just walking all the time. Like it's a wildlife trail cam that you sit out for a deer. Yeah. And you're like, oh, he's here. He's back. Best place to lose weight, though.

21:56PFT Commenter:It's hot. It's training camp. They're just making him walk and stand in the heat and probably, like, judging what he puts in his mouth. Mm-hmm. That Florida sun's 103 degrees, so he'll get it off quick. Yeah, he'll get it off real quick.

22:07Big Cat:He's never played in Florida before. Different heat closer to the beach, maybe? Yeah. Is it? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Listen, I want him to play. So I hope that he is able to shed the weight.

22:18PFT Commenter:Yeah. Okay. Should we talk MLB trade deadline?

22:21Big Cat:Yeah.

22:22PFT Commenter:So it happened. A few of us have teams that were active. I could start. Cubs trade deadline recap. That's what that got. They got no plan. They got a bunch of rental arms, a super utility man, which I like that. That's cool. Anytime you can get a super utility man, it's awesome. But it feels like Kyle Tucker will not be re-signed. The Cubs had – they traded a prospect, a really good prospect in Cam Smith for Kyle Tucker. They traded Cody Bellinger to free up cash. Everyone thought this was like, oh, shit, they have a window to go all in. And then they did nothing at the trade deadline. And they're holding on to prospects.

23:04PFT Commenter:And then they're probably not going to sign Kyle Tucker. And then they're going to have the prospects come up next year. and they're going to be like, well, we'll just be cheaper than we've ever been. And, yeah, it's a disaster. They essentially said today we're not actively trying to win the whole thing. We're just trying to get in the playoffs and hope every single player plays to their best ability, and then even then it probably won't be enough.

23:27Big Cat:That's not a great feeling to have.

23:29PFT Commenter:No, because it's just so stupid. They should have traded Kyle Tucker today.

23:34Big Cat:Especially when other teams in the National League made a concerted effort to get better.

23:38PFT Commenter:The Padres, the Mets, the Phillies all got better. The only thing that I keep saying to myself, the only way that I will believe in the Cubs actively trying to win a World Series again is I do not think – I think this basically is Kyle Tucker's not going to resign because they have outfielders in the minor leagues that they could have traded for high-end pitching prospects. They didn't. I don't know if there was a bunch of guys available. I don't know if the price was too high, but this was a chance to go all in. you have a very good team and you could have if you got a top end starter you're like actively hey we could win the World Series if they don't re-sign Kyle Tucker the only way they can make it right is if they bring back Kyle Schwarber I've decided on that I'm going to start putting the pressure on that because he's a free agent

24:22Big Cat:but you also just kind of did the same thing thinking that they had a plan no they don't you just kind of assumed that they did based on the fact they didn't trade their young outfielders that are in the system because in your mind that means they're not going to re-sign Tucker. Correct. That would indicate that they had a plan.

24:39PFT Commenter:But the plan doesn't make sense because if you're signing Kyle Tucker for a one-year rental, that should be the time you go push the chips in and be like

24:48Big Cat:we have him. I think that they've got their plans are so bad that it's identical to not having a plan. Right.

24:54PFT Commenter:And they also got they traded Cody Bellinger to free up cash and it was like oh okay this is going to be used at a later date and now it's not um and it just sucks it sucks and they don't yeah i mean they're starting pitching like we got we got some arms but we still have not a great i mean we got guys coming back from injury but it's just not going to be enough i don't think it's gonna be enough against the mets the phillies the padres the dodgers there's a lot of good nl teams how much do you believe right now uh i do think i mean listen the the most frustrating part is the cubs did get better as a team like today like they're better today than they were a week ago which is a crazy thing to say obviously because i just was very down on the trade deadline they are better because they have more depth but they don't have enough to be like uh competing for an actual world series this year their starting rotation is just nowhere near world series worthy unless everyone just decides to be the best version of themselves for an entire month and then even again still i don't know if that's enough.

25:58PFT Commenter:Phillies and Mets though, they actually went for it, right? Yeah. I'd say B plus for the Phillies. That B plus is a lot better than my Phillies. B plus is good. The number one need was getting a back end reliever and they got probably top two, one that was on the market, him and Mason Miller. Mason Miller was probably one. He was probably two. And Yohan Duran. But they went pretty safe. They also needed another bat in the outfield that could hit left-handed pitching. They got Harrison Bader, who is like an okay guy.

26:32Big Cat:Well, okay baseball player. What? He's an okay baseball player. Okay baseball player? I'm sure he's a nice guy. Yeah, no, he's a nice guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Remember his old tweets? I don't remember that. Oh. It was an all-star game? I'm not familiar. That's good. Keep saying that.

26:52PFT Commenter:Don't learn. Because we don't want to add another thing on your list. Yeah. Okay. He's an okay baseball player. He's having a pretty good year. He's close to an 800 OPS. But, like, there were other bigger names out there that you could have gone all in for. And we didn't really address the cleanup role, the cleanup hitter. We have, like, the worst cleanup hitter in baseball right now. And it's tough there. But they got a lot better. They got a lot better. And then they signed some other guy from the Tigers reliever that people like Matt Manning. Oh wait, Harrison Bader's not the guy we're thinking of, PFT.

27:26PFT Commenter:What? We both thought of the wrong guy? Yeah. Who are we thinking of? It's Bader, right? The Brewer's reliever? Oh, that's Josh Hader. Oh! Because when he started talking about OPS, I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. Josh Hader. Harrison Bader. Josh Hader. Sorry, Harrison Bader's an outfielder. That was us being insane. That's on us. That was on us. Hey, big cat. Hey, we take accountability on this side of the box. Josh Hader, that I am familiar of. Okay. Yes. that's crazy we barely seen baird at the same exact time literally the same

27:59Big Cat:somebody look up harrison bader's tweets we might be we might be right about me big cat we're so in sync on that one we might there might be something in the universe that we don't know about everyone i hope he's an awl and he's listening to this he's like what the fuck

28:13PFT Commenter:everyone who tweeted us correcting us please update your tweet now because we're gonna get a lot of those yep all right so overall b plus b plus and And Duran has the sickest closer and entrance of all time, which is going to be so fucking sick in October. Oh, that's what is it? It's some song that I don't know. It's a. How do you say his first name? Johan. Johan. Yeah. You just said it three different ways. I'm still I'm still I've heard it three different ways. Like I've been listening to like reports and multiple people say it different ways. Johan I think is like The white way to say it And like Johan is like how Is like the real way to say it Okay Also I think we should just normalize Saying names wrong Bullshit when people come at it Right

29:09Especially baseball It's like you follow your team But he's on your team now I know but that's why I'm trying to learn

29:15PFT Commenter:You were like in the car when it happened You were just like how do I fucking pronounce his name. How do I pronounce his name? Alright.

29:22Big Cat:Memes? I'm also giving the Mets a B+. Okay. We stacked the bullpen. We got three guys and we got a center fielder. Did not get a starting pitcher. Everybody thought

29:32PFT Commenter:they were going to get a starting pitcher. Possibly to Grom. Do we think starting pitchers were just not available? Because that's the people who are... There's very few people who are defending what the Cubs did, but the only defense I've seen is well, the price was just too high for starting pitching. I just can't I can't believe that no one wanted to give up anyone. Like Mackenzie Gore didn't go. I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah, Merrill Kelly went to the Rangers.

29:55Big Cat:He would have been nice. Zach Allen didn't move. Yeah. I don't know. I'm guessing there weren't too many guys that were like real quality starters that were available. But I just feel like there's always a price.

30:05PFT Commenter:Like you can always get it. Alcantara is another one that didn't go that people thought were going to go. Who? Sandy Alcantara. Yeah. But like you maybe I just don't know how baseball trades work. But there's always a price. Like I'm convinced the Cubs could have said hey let's go all in and get a guy who could be controlled for a couple years like Mackenzie Gore. Alright, so B+. I'd say B+. Okay, we also had who else made big moves?

30:29Big Cat:Padres? Padres got some bullpen help. Yep. The Padres I might be back in on the Padres. I feel like it's every time of year for me when I start thinking about the Padres and I was thinking about them today. They had maybe the best bullpen last year and their bullpen's better.

30:44PFT Commenter:Yeah, and they got Ryan O 'Hearn from the Orioles. The Orioles actually did a pretty good job of maybe, like, they still have their young core of maybe trading pieces in a season that's been very disappointing for them.

30:56Big Cat:Orioles fans are not happy.

30:57PFT Commenter:Well, I mean, they were in the contention for, like, they were a World Series talked-about team going into this season, and they just were really bad. I think it reads lots of things that the Mason Miller-Padres trade was an absolute fleecing that the Padres gave up way too much. Ooh, I love that. I feel like the pods always do that. Did you look on the new account that I told you about? I did not look at that account. It could be total bullshit. It's just a Twitter account that I found that grades every trade in baseball and says the computer model grades this like a fair trade or overpay. Yeah, I was reading something that the Padres, for the only reason for it to make sense for the amount that they gave up for Mason Miller is that they must see him as a starter going forward because I think they gave up a top 10 prospect plus two other top 100 guys for a closer.

31:49which is insane. I think they gave it a number seven prospect. That's the thing, though.

31:54PFT Commenter:You can't prospect hold all the time. These guys, every farm system in baseball has a top ten prospect list, and five of those guys won't be big leaguers. No, that was overall. Oh, overall. Maybe that's different. It was a top ten overall prospect. Oh, overall, overall. In MLB. I hate the, like, oh, we traded our seventh best prospect. It's like, that guy might not make it to the big leagues. You don't know. Like, you got to fucking roll in. Sometimes they turn out to be PCA, though. Yeah, that's true.

32:24Big Cat:PCA, pretty good. The Blue Jays got Shane Bieber. Yep. Which is the only takeaway for me is that Blue Jays Bieber jersey is going to sell like hotcakes.

32:34PFT Commenter:That's huge. The Yankees made a bunch of moves. Oh, I have this. This is the best Bob Nightingale tweet. He's such a fucking weirdo. Hold on, I bookmarked it. All right, here we go.

32:45Big Cat:I love his avatar.

32:46PFT Commenter:If the Yankees and Dodgers meet in the World Series, look for new outfielder Austin Slater to start against Dodger Cy Young winner Clayton Kershaw. His numbers against Kershaw, 9 for 30, 4 home runs, 5 RBIs, 31 plate appearances. Huge.

33:02Big Cat:What the fuck was that? 9 for 30 was at 324?

33:06PFT Commenter:Like, the Yankees traded for Austin Slater because he might face Clayton Kershaw in the World Series?

33:11Big Cat:He's the only hitter in baseball that can beat Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs. Yeah. It's never happened before. It's crazy.

33:17PFT Commenter:It's crazy.

33:18Big Cat:I don't even know if he's saying that because it's a good stat for him or a bad stat against Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs.

33:24PFT Commenter:Yeah. Yeah, that's true. He might be bad against Clayton Kershaw because Clayton Kershaw is mostly bad in the playoffs. Bad move by the Yankees. Right. Okay, other winners? Hank, you got a guy, Dustin May? Yeah, they didn't do much. Everything I saw from the Red Sox where they were pussies didn't do anything.

33:42Big Cat:I did read up about it. Cheap owners. I read about Dustin May, though. It's a good story. So I think it was two years ago, maybe two and a half years ago, he almost died. He choked on a salad, went down the wrong pipe, and then he tried to drink water to wash it down, and all the water spilled over and went into his lungs. He had to go to the hospital, emergency surgery, and then he had Tommy John right after that. That's a great story. Yeah, but he almost died. Happy he's with us. Don't eat salads.

34:09PFT Commenter:Don't eat salads. Salads are killers. Twins literally gave up their entire team. They have nobody left. Correa back to the Astros. That was a big one. Yep. And UNAO Suarez back to the Mariners. Yes. Yes. Mariners could be dangerous. Yep, for sure. Yeah.

34:28Big Cat:What else we got? I think that was it. That's everything that happened. That was around the diamond. That was around the diamond.

34:35PFT Commenter:Oh, I have a quick update for you on players in training camp who have been dubbed war daddies. Okay, I like that. Jaden Reed in 2023, Puka Nakua in 2024. This year we have two new war daddies. Chubba Hubbard and Rico Dowdle. Really?

34:58Big Cat:Yeah. Rico Dedewey. Yeah. I don't feel like a running back can be a war daddy. Well, war daddies should be like guards, defensive tackles. That's a war daddy.

35:07PFT Commenter:That was two, the Coach Speak Index, which is great to follow. That's a war daddy. They both have been called war daddies. I also saw that there was a – what are you guys looking at?

35:18Big Cat:I got breaking news from my stats guy, Hank. Okay. Stats guy, Hank, just pulled this up. Stats guy, Hank. Go. Terry McLaurin, next team odds. Let's go two through four. All right. Two is the Patriots plus 450. Yep. Raiders plus 500. Titans plus 1 ,100. That's two through four. Tied for four. Tied for four. Chargers plus 1100. Whoa, shame. Yeah, that's two through four. Number one, the Commanders minus 250. We're not trading them. What about the Jets? They're number six.

35:50PFT Commenter:So Memes did an Aaron Rogers top five. I read a different tweet. They're number six, but they're next to the right of the Commanders.

36:00Big Cat:Memes, you did not read a different tweet because the tweet I'm looking at right now. Yeah, it was 21 minutes ago and the Jets look like they could be number two because they're in the top right corner, but they're actually number six if you follow the numbers. Sorry, memes. It says Jets plus 300. Listen, if I could make the call, I would trade him to the Jets way before I trade him to the Patriots. Way before.

36:26PFT Commenter:Me too. You don't want either of those, though. I don't. I mean, memes, Hank is like the devil you know. Memes is the one you just, he just, the smile, the smirk, calling you little guy. He's a fat ass. He's a fat ass. He could probably manhandle you. He could probably sit on you and suffocate you like a bug.

36:47Big Cat:Choke me out with his farts.

36:49PFT Commenter:These are all bad things. These are bad ideas. Did you release that Debo video yet? What? Did you release that Debo jersey video yet?

36:56Big Cat:Debo's on the show today. Past memes. I don't know. It's coming. All right. That's just a little teaser. A little teaser. Yeah.

37:04PFT Commenter:We tried on smaller Debo jersey until I looked fat. Yeah. Great science experiment We should have said Gilbert Arenas also got arrested For having a Poker game At his house high end poker game with maybe An Israeli mafia member He got released

37:23Big Cat:My understanding per Gilbert Arenas Is that he rented a house That happened to have a poker game Going on

37:31PFT Commenter:That's the classic Those drugs in my trunk Someone else put them

37:36Big Cat:I don't know how the poker table that says Arenas on it. I don't know where that comes into play. I don't know if he rented that too, if somebody else made that. Might not have been his table.

37:47PFT Commenter:Gilbert Arenas, say what you want, but he's going to go down as one of the all-time card players. Because everything bad is just surrounding cards. Yeah, is he a problem poker player? Yeah. I mean, guys can't have any fun anymore. That was my initial reaction. I think I'm going to stick with it until something bad comes out from it.

38:06Big Cat:You should be allowed to run illegal poker games.

38:08PFT Commenter:I agree. I agree. Okay, I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we missed. Anything we missed? Big. Anything? Boys?

38:17Big Cat:Memes, what you got? This might not be big, but Maverick Carter met with Jokic's European agent on a yacht. I saw that. Sounds big when you say it. Yep. Yeah, I mean, LeBron James is just going to start his own league. He's going to retire from the NBA. He's going to start an international league, and then he's going to try to destroy the NBA. Yeah. DeMarcus Cousins was on a podcast, and he said when he shared a locker with Jokic, he was like, I heard someone, or we saw on the news, like someone signed for X amount of money, and I was like, damn, like Jokic, you're going to get a huge contract.

38:51He's like, I might retire after this one.

38:52PFT Commenter:Yeah. He wants to be with his horses. So Jokic I could easily see signing for a bag and then just chilling. We also had Daryl Morey just basically cemented that the bubble championship doesn't count. What did he say? He said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have celebrated it as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience required. Yet everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the lasting legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA should be proud of its leadership at both the beginning and end of the pandemic, even though the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk.

39:29PFT Commenter:So the real champions are the leadership. He's kind of saying it counts, though. What? He was saying he would have counted it. Well, no, he's saying he would have celebrated it like it's real, but he said around the league people.

39:38Big Cat:I think he's saying that Adam Silver should have celebrated the championship for himself.

39:42PFT Commenter:Yeah, right, the NBA staffers.

39:44Big Cat:Yeah, we did it. We brought sports back.

39:46PFT Commenter:Yeah, the person who stitched Reading Matters on the back of, you know, Michael Porter Jr.'s shirt.

39:51Big Cat:What was the one that said Group Economics on the back? I got to get that jersey. Wild times.

39:55PFT Commenter:Wild times. Okay, I actually do have one thing I want to finish with just to get everyone excited. I know Hank doesn't like this because he loves the summer so much, and he's going to be mad. This is from Matt 2 Frosty. It went viral, but it deserves to go viral. He said, I've already got my eyes set on the best weekend of the fall, September 27th. Here's what we got. Saturday, Ryder Cup. Yes. Bama versus Georgia. Nice. LSU versus Ole Miss. Oregon versus Penn State. Whiteout. September 28th, Sunday, Ryder Cup. Yeah. Eagles versus Bucks. Yeah. Ravens versus Chiefs. Oh, yeah. Packers versus Cowboys.

40:35Fuck yeah.

40:36PFT Commenter:That's coming, guys. It's coming. Yeah. It's coming. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. I am too. My body is ready. That did something to me. Yeah, it really did. I read it and I was just like, oh, my God. Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. You versus Jay. And Zach. And Zach. Oh, man. I'm in the creamsicles. Big bucks, boy. Do well against Eagles. That fat guy. They do do well against the eagles. Yeah, they do do well against the eagles. Look at that hat. It said you look like Bobby Bacala hunting. It's a great look.

41:13Big Cat:Great episode. Zach, I think in the future, when you get on the bike, the glasses off was a great move, I think, on the bike. That's daredevil Zach. Yeah, but there's one more piece. You got to put the earrings back in. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, you look smoking hot. What are they called? Diamonds? Were they diamonds or hoops?

41:30PFT Commenter:I wouldn't mind seeing you have some gauges. Is that what they're called? Yeah. gauges? I can't do that. Why? Let's stretch those earlobes out.

41:37Big Cat:It's so permanent in your earlobes. Yeah. You never get them back. Wait, do you just have the one hole on each side? I do. I would like to make a request. Was it the diamond stud? Yeah, but it was like the fake diamond stud from Claire's. Eight bucks. We'll get you some real diamonds. I want one of them to be

41:59PFT Commenter:like the Barry Bonds. All dangly. The cross? Oh, yeah. Maybe you get like a three-carat stone on one side

42:07Big Cat:and then a dangly cross on the other.

42:09PFT Commenter:Not even, maybe like a lightning bolt. I don't have that kind of speed.

42:14Big Cat:But that's also a Z. The lightning bolt is also a Z. We saw you on the bike. You got speed. What if we do group pierce? We all just send it. Earrings. What do we think? I'm out. Out? Okay. I'm in. But I'm in for you. I'm already holed up. Are you? Yeah.

42:29PFT Commenter:Let me see. When did you hol up? When I was like 16. Yeah, but you don't have the holes like Zach has holes. I do on my left. They say they close. No, you don't have holes, Hank. No, Zach, dude, you can see Zach's holes. I got big earlobes. Big ears. No, you're good. Don't do that to yourself. You see the hole, Hank? I can feel them. You just do a little ice cube in the back, numb it up. We can poke them through. Yeah, that's how I did it the first time. Zach, before I do the ad to get us to Mount Rushmore. Like in your house? I pierce my ear at my friend's house. Just pierce my ear with the earring.

43:00PFT Commenter:Zach, before we get to the - There was a clip on. You just shoved it through? Yeah. That's awesome. That's such a Hank story, too. What did your parents say when you went home? Oh, my God. My mom was furious. My grandmother was... Would your mom write a chapter in the book? Yeah. That would be so awesome. My mom was furious. Just raising Henry Lockwood would be incredible. Her mom was living at our house at the end of her days, and she was like, go show your grandmother. She's going to be so mad. And my grandma was like, oh, you look so nice. And my mom was so mad about it. Oh, backfire. Yeah.

43:32PFT Commenter:dude yeah we should actually have her just like just give us a couple Hank stories just a couple Hank stories Zach can you before I do the ad to get us to Mount Rushmore can you just maybe look into the camera and just give the people just a peek of Daredevil Zach yes sir what's going on guys oh no you know what Daredevil Zach do I dig glass yeah and then you gotta talk with confidence and be like I'm here to fuck some shit up we're gonna fuck some shit up let's do it No kill switch. Gotta have the kill switch. That was one of the rules. I thought he said full throttle, no kill switch. Go straight, don't go right, kill switch.

44:14I was just trying to remember where it was at, because they said if you end up in the foam pit with a bike for too long, you gotta kill it. Oh, I thought it was full throttle, no kill switch.

44:21Big Cat:And then, Jack, the dismount out of the foam pit. Can you talk us through that? Because that was the part that actually worried me. I thought that you were going to break something. They did have a crane that grabs a bike and scoops you out of the foam pit. So they picked me up. I was holding on, or thought I was holding on. And then there happened to be like a wash nest or a bees nest underneath. So they started shouting that out. And I kind of freaked out. And he's like, all right, go a little quicker. And then I guess Travis thought he was telling the other gentleman to drop me on the ledge.

44:46And then he brought me over the ledge. And I just didn't have the upper body strength to stay on the bike. And I went down.

44:51Big Cat:You were hanging for a long time. I appreciate that. I hang for as long as I could. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to hang. It's hard to hang. It is. There's no reason to appreciate that. It's like a... He was respecting his upper body strength. For a long time. He said I had some bodyweight exercise in me. We would still be in Travis Pastrana's

45:08PFT Commenter:light driveway if I had let that keep going. It was such an unbelievable experience. Yeah, I know, but you had trapped him. You had trapped him because he kept on saying you did a great job and you just kept on saying I appreciate that. Thank you so much for giving me the hat and I appreciate that. And then he would thank you and then you'd thank him. It went off for a minute.

45:26Big Cat:Zach would try to give the hat back and then Travis would be like, no, no, you earned it. And then Zach would say, I really appreciate that. I really appreciate that so much, sir. It was great.

45:34PFT Commenter:All-time day. Yeah, it was great. I felt like Mills Lane. I just had to break it up.

45:39Big Cat:Like, all right, break. You guys are never going to end this. I was like that other. Thank you off. That other boxing ref that was just like, oh, yeah, I was loving it.

45:46PFT Commenter:Watching you guys go back and forth. Oh, how's he going to thank him here? Oh, that's nice. Got him with the left. All right, let's get to Mount Rushmore. We had to help. On August 21st, we have a story. Mutiny arrives on the big screen. Who are you? It is, trust me. Jason Statham stars in the action movie to end your summer. What do you want? Engines. Mutiny. Rated R. Mount Rushmore time.

46:11Big Cat:Let's get it.

46:12PFT Commenter:Mount Rushmore time.

46:13Big Cat:Hank was giggling. Hank's got the giggles.

46:16PFT Commenter:No screen watching? Zach was being cute. No screen watching? No screen watching. Let's all agree, no screen watching? Well, I mean, Max and memes. Should we talk about memes, the controversy on Wednesdays, Mount Rushmore? Yeah, I think we should. So memes and Max won. I think what's the standings right now? Standings are. This is a non-story, by the way.

46:38Big Cat:It's not a non-story. You let the listeners be the judge of that, Max. There was more votes. Max and memes, 26. Big Cat and Zach, 24. Hank and PFT, 22.

46:47PFT Commenter:Okay, so we all are separated by two. On Wednesday, we were at Eagles camp. The poll went live. On the part of my Twitter, so everyone should go vote. We do it live at 12 Eastern every single Monday, Wednesday, Friday. No tampering with the poll. We can't retweet. We can't like all this stuff. Something interesting happened, though, because it was a very close poll. I think Zach and I were actually in the lead to start for the first 2 ,000 or so votes. And then all of a sudden, Max and Memes got in the lead by a percent. And then, would you look at that? memes decided hey i'm gonna start tweeting from the pardon my take twitter account and burying

47:27Big Cat:the poll he put out a picture of pug he put out a video of big cat he retweeted hank and not even hank it was a compliment it was it was a compliment memes would never in a million years retweet a compliment regarding hank lockwood he chose to do it three tweets within the span of 15 minutes all right after they took the lead it was like going to the polls and then somebody causing a bomb threat to the polling location. Just shut down the votes. We ended up with barely any votes on this Mount Rushmore. Here's what we normally get.

47:58PFT Commenter:Zach and I lost by half a percent. Half a percent because you decided to start going on a Twitter spree. As soon as we tweeted out the poll,

48:09Big Cat:the Eagles were nice enough to bring in a Super Bowl ring. Tacky. And it was a cool moment for Max.

48:16PFT Commenter:And you had to get it out right then?

48:18Big Cat:Yeah, I felt the need. And then that feels... Do your job. You felt the need to do your job. That doesn't seem, yeah. Hmm. Also, out of the past five Mount Rushmore polls, it had the second most votes. Not nearly as much as Mondays, though. What about the other four? Oh, it's Grit Week. It's Grit Week. Grit Week. Grit Week. It's our biggest year of the year. All right, let's get the Grit Week bump. Let's see what happens. So what should their penalty be?

48:41PFT Commenter:They have to drive to Mount Rushmore? All in favor, say aye. Aye. I think they should just have to... Zach, say aye. Yes, sir. Say it. Yes. There we go. That's four. Four to two. What do we do now? Let's just stop with this and let's do the Mount Rushmore.

49:01Big Cat:Let's do the Mount Rushmore.

49:02PFT Commenter:We just wanted our complaints heard. That's all.

49:04Big Cat:We just wanted on the record that memes would never in a million years do that.

49:07PFT Commenter:So don't tweet for the two hours. It's posted. No, no, no. If Zach and I are in the lead, you can tweet all you want. Okay. And if it's a nice compliment, that was a nice retweet. You can do that. So you're all right with that one? Yeah. I'll see. I'll say this. The rings could have waited. Behind the scenes of Grit Week, the one thing I'm excited to be done with on Grit Week is all of us together watching the poll, it's very, very stress-inducing because we all just sit there and refresh, and we're like, oh, oh, it's over, it's over. And I'm excited to maybe not be with you guys when the poll drops.

49:42PFT Commenter:We have a pretty clear idea of who wins after, what, five minutes? No, it's after Meme starts burying the poll. That's true. That's usually when we know. But don't you guys agree? It's tough when we're all in the same room. You can't watch the numbers. It's stress-inducing.

49:57Big Cat:Okay. Hank did a great job, in theory, with Monday's Mount Rushmore. Didn't work out in our favor, but Hank has recommitted, and he says he's all the way back. So even though we finished third place after two first-place victories, I want to say for the record, I don't hold that against Hank.

50:12PFT Commenter:Okay. Thank you. Love that. But Daenerys was, I had her tits clouded my judgment, and I shouldn't have taken her. Bad pick. I'll say this. That poll on Wednesday. I thought people were going to be horned up and like, yeah, good pick. That poll on Wednesday was as close as close could get. So I don't even know if anyone can, because you were beating yourself up about the Aunt Becky pick, because you pulled the trigger on that one in the second round. It was a bad auto. I don't think it was bad. I think that poll was just showed that it was kind of up to chance and memes bearing the poll. That was pretty much all that was going to happen.

50:44PFT Commenter:All right. We're going to do the Mount Rushmore of chain restaurants. Crazy we haven't done this. Rules are no drive-thrus. Yep. No drive-thrus. Chain restaurants. What's the order? Are we first?

50:56Big Cat:I believe you guys are up first. Okay.

50:58PFT Commenter:We're up second? Yeah, we're second. That's good.

51:00Big Cat:That's good. Yeah.

51:01PFT Commenter:Okay. All right. Let's just get to it. Our first pick, I don't think it's going to be much of a surprise to anyone here. We're going to go with Chili's. All right. Chili's 1-1. One chalk. I still, as a 40-year-old, do my birthday at Chili's. I love Chili's. The sit-down, get bottomless chips and salsa and queso instantly. The menu's got everything. Margaritas, fantastic. Yeah. They also have the fun games that you can play, like those little portals that you can play little video games on. Those are cool.

51:35Big Cat:I saw a picture of some dude that made boots, like cowboy boots, out of the leather from a Chili's booth that they had, and it had, like, Chili's pepper on it. That's awesome. It was fucking sick. I wore a Chili's jersey on 4th of July that had the chicken wing. We had it for the 3 for Me contest. One of the only sponsored, like, you know, we get them for a video shoot, I kept it because it was such a cool jersey.

51:56PFT Commenter:Yeah, I don't know if it should be, like, a depressing thing, because there's no Chili's in Chicago. I think there's one. What was the one we went to? Outside, like 40 minutes away. Yeah, so I got my whole family into the car as a 40-year-old and drove them all like an hour just so that I could get fajitas trios and bottomless chips. Did they like it? They did, but I think it was more special for me. Yeah. And my wife kind of gave me a look like it's three little kids and we just put them in the car at like 6 o 'clock at night during rush hour so that you go to Chili's. I'm like, yeah, that's the rules.

52:29PFT Commenter:Worth it. That's the rules around here. All right. You guys are up? We are going to go with Applebee's I think it's safe pick It's a safe pick Have you guys been to Applebee's? Yes we went as a team during chill week No I know I'm just making sure Our waitress was so hot All time She was awesome Applebee's is a good pick Safe pick She was classy Safe pick guys You went right down the middle

53:01Big Cat:You're not going to catch me complaining about Applebee's. I think it had second to third round value on my book, but you guys do it.

53:09PFT Commenter:Yeah. That was like a 240-yard drive down the middle. Yeah. Good job. Nice. You didn't really fully swing.

53:18Big Cat:So it's on us? Yeah. All right, number one, I'm going to go with Waffle House. Okay. Fucking love Waffle House. Good pick. Hank hates that pick. I love it. I love that pick. We're going to get a tight shot on Hank's face there. I don't. This is there. Don't listen to them. They're trying to break us up. Do you hate the pick? I'd like the pick. I love the pick. We're going to get a tight shot on Hank's face right when you made that pick. I love the pick. You're being there. I love you. I don't know if I can trust Hank. It's what they want. It's what they want.

53:42PFT Commenter:Okay, number two. Wait, can I tell your Waffle House story? It's not really my story to tell. Okay. But we can get into it whenever. Okay, all right. I'll redact any names. Fair. Okay. Super fair. I asked a friend once, they mentioned that someone in their family worked at Waffle House for many years. And I asked that friend, I was like, hey, did that person ever see a classic Waffle House fight? And they replied, well, actually, there was a triple homicide at the Waffle House they worked at, and they had to clean up all the blood. Tough night for their friend.

54:25Big Cat:And I bet they were only closed for like four hours. quick turnaround I think

54:29PFT Commenter:yeah

54:30Big Cat:yeah Waffle House is

54:31PFT Commenter:not the fight I was looking for I was thinking more like throwing up a chair yeah maybe like the basket of eggs gets tossed I think the words execution style were said okay alright

54:40Big Cat:that might just be the first one that comes to that guy's mind when he's thinking Waffle House but listen if you had to pick anywhere to die Waffle House is a pretty good spot in the freezer no just like if I was in the freezer I believe he told us it was the walk-in freezer oh they got escorted into the walk-in freezer and shot really grisly yeah it's not great I overheard Great restaurant, though. Not going to dissuade me from going to Waffle House. Great waffles. Love their sausage, the bowls that they have. It's just a perfect place.

55:04PFT Commenter:It's a great place.

55:05Big Cat:All right, number two for us. I'm going to go Hooters. Okay. Hooters. Pick. Change the game. We're on our list. We're going to go Buffalo Wild Wings. Okay.

55:17PFT Commenter:Also on our list. Good picks, boys. Good picks all around. I thought for sure that one of those two from PFT would be Buffalo Wild Wings.

55:23Big Cat:It wasn't. I took Hooters. Listen. I know a guy like you doesn't like TFing, and I get that. So Hooters might not appeal to you.

55:30PFT Commenter:Sure. This is kind of where the draft starts because that was – in our pre-show discussion, we were like, hey, this is what's going to happen. There's going to be a Hooters pick. There's going to be a Buffalo Wild Wings pick. We've got to plan for this. All right. We ready? We've got to stay strong. Don't break. Can't break. Cannot break. All right. We got them. I think we go three and six. Six. I like it. All right. We're going to go Outback. Yep. Outback. I just showed that to memes. That would have been our next pick. Brown bread. Fucking unbelievable. So good. Unbelievable. Cucar barrel wings.

56:09Blue and onion.

56:10PFT Commenter:Yep. Shane. Blue and onion. Okay. He said no. And then we're going to go with the classic Cracker Barrel. All right. Good pick. Good pick. Good pick. Hey, we stayed strong. We did. We stayed strong.

56:25Big Cat:Plus you get the old country store. Yeah. Oh, my God. I buy so much shit from there. The country store is great. Did you ever do the tea game?

56:31PFT Commenter:Oh, I get bodied by that every time.

56:33Big Cat:Just plain ignore a moose.

56:35PFT Commenter:There's something about Cracker Barrel, too, where it's just like I just always end up with some form of gravy, and it's so good. Yeah. The white gravy? Yeah, the white gravy. Yeah, the white gravy is excellent. It's just so fucking good.

56:46Big Cat:Walk out of there with some Duck Dynasty merch. Yeah.

56:49PFT Commenter:Great spot. Yeah, it really has everything. You really don't have to go anywhere else. It's like a Waffle House if you have to take a shit. Yeah, and there's a gift shop. Yep. You guys are up. I know. Oh, no. Oh, no. Were you going to go Cracker Barrel or Outback?

57:08Big Cat:We were going to go Outback. We were going to go Outback. Cracker Barrel was on the list, but I don't think that's where we're going next. All right, should we do the, what do you emphasize?

57:16PFT Commenter:Oh, no. I believe so. Okay. I mean, this is literally whatever. What? We're going to go Cheesecake Factory. Okay. Okay. I have a question for you guys. Good pick we had on our list. Have you guys been in a Cheesecake Factory recently? Yes, I went to the mall a couple months ago, and I went to the Cheesecake Factory. Okay, because I don't know if this is just a personal experience, but when I was growing up, Cheesecake Factory, to me, was literally the nicest restaurant you could possibly go to. It was like a birthday. Yeah, it was a birthday. It was fine dining. It was like, holy shit, we're going to Cheesecake Factory.

57:52PFT Commenter:I went to one and I was like this is not what I remember it's a chain restaurant you go to it now and it's like in your kid head you're like oh you're going to go to Morton's oh no you're going to go to Cheesecake Factory you're going to go to the Michelin Star rated Cheesecake Factory

58:10Big Cat:well it's great when you're a kid because they have everything on the menu their menu is gigantic it's massive it's overwhelming it's a little bit overwhelming I think I read one time they've never closed one down I don't know if they still have that record going. Not be true. But, yeah, I mean, they print money at a Cheesecake Factory.

58:24PFT Commenter:Yeah. Also, bread. Awesome. Oh, you know what, though? I went. Which bread do you do? I do the brown bread. I do the baguette. Oh, we'd be perfect together. Yeah, we would. They took away, though, a sandwich. There was like a, I think it was like the fry bread. Did you ever get that? I don't know. It's like fry bread.

58:42Big Cat:The Monte Cristo that they had?

58:43PFT Commenter:Yeah, I don't know. But they didn't have it when I went, and I was very upset. I used to work there. Really? Mm-hmm. The busboy. What was your favorite meal? I like the burger.

58:53Big Cat:They also have a bunch of pastas that are really good. The creamy pasta. They don't have anything bad on the menu. We went through a phase of getting it delivered often in the fall. Yeah. That's a good phase.

59:05PFT Commenter:That's a really good phase. That's a good phase. Phase up. Phase up. Zach's not allowed to talk about that. Okay. Our pick?

59:15Big Cat:Yeah. Shit. All right, Hank, what do you like? What do you like on this list? I'm panicking a little bit I'll tell you what I like I like number 6 I like number 10 Yeah, I like them both too Alright, number 6, we're going Texas Roadhouse That was nice for us Yeah, like Outback Steakhouse But like a little bit of a southern twang to it Great place And then for our final pick We're going to go with a classic When you're here, your family Olive Garden Unlimited breadsticks, salad, unlimited soup Great place Good pick. So that's a good pick because that'll appeal to the masses and everything. But thank you.

59:55Isle of Garden is absolutely fucking disgusting. As a true Italian, I could never make that pick. As an Italian? As an Italian. But it's a great pick. But it's a good pick. For the graphic, it's a great pick. Unlimited breadsticks. But in real life, fucking blows. No, that's crazy. Absolutely fucking terrible. Your breadsticks are awesome, man. It is disgusting. The pasta is good. The soup is good. The pasta is probably about 20 minutes overcooked. No, the pasta is so good. The red sauce comes straight from...

1:00:20Big Cat:You've been spinning the entire 20 minutes of Mount Rushmore talking about bread. The red sauce is Sicilian. Are you going to tell me that the breadsticks at Olive Garden are not good? I'm telling you it's a good pick. It's some of the best Sicilian sauce I've ever had. I'm telling you it's a good pick. They actually call it gravy there because they're out there in Rico. Yeah.

1:00:37PFT Commenter:Uh-huh. All right. Good. Good. I like where we're at. Thank you. I like where we're at, too. Which one? Remember I texted two? Yeah The second one? Oh, you think that one I think that one's more Yeah, you're right You're right We're gonna go TGI Friday Fuck

1:00:54Big Cat:You know they don't They don't even have like a Oven or a stove there They just microwave everything We wanted We thought they were close How can you possibly say That Olive Garden's bad food And then take TGI Friday Just in case you guys take it It's just the Italian in me It's bad Italian food Okay Are you American? Bar food Are you American? Yeah Are you Italian? Yes Are you America first? Yes Well, then how come you can't be offended to go to TGI Fridays as an American? Because American food is meant to be had in a chain restaurant. Oh, so now you're putting down America. You're saying American food's bad.

1:01:26Correct. Italian food in Italy is better than American food in America. Correct. I have never been to Italy, but I imagine.

1:01:36PFT Commenter:Oh. Also, not even a weekend? Nope. Fridays? Oh, yeah. Sure. It's work week. What are we going to do here? I'm getting nervous Me too I'm very nervous This one is kind of crazy I don't know if it's Why is my fucking phone Recording everything I say I don't know Allen Iverson once spent like$20 ,000 Out of TGI Fridays What happened? Allen Iverson once spent like$20 ,000 Is that true? It might be true I'm like 85 % positive it's true. I'll look it up. Fact check.

1:02:18Big Cat:DJ Friday's endless apps. Fact check. My buddies ran up like a 500. Didn't Ben Chow do that too? I think that's Cheese State Factory. I think Max is mixing up his athlete stories. I like it.

1:02:30PFT Commenter:We don't know what to do. We're going to pass. What? You're the last pick. I know. We're going to pass. There's a full send pick that I might get contentious, but I don't because it's the chain restaurant part let me ask you guys a question do chain restaurants also have entertainment

1:02:53Big Cat:I think we had this on our list we had this on our list but we thought it was too much of a gray area that's a good pick no you're just saying that now well I mean we can guess also I just sent you guys the TGI Fridays The link that you sent, Allen Iverson denies a claim made by a former team. That he spent$40 ,000 at a strip club when he was a 76er. First of all, it was$9 ,000 at most. Never any strippers at the TGI Fridays on City Line. Yeah, so it was$9 ,000 at the TGI Fridays.

1:03:32PFT Commenter:I'm going to let you decide. Oh boy. Oh boy is right. Okay. Those are the two. Those are the two. And I'm going to let you just rip it and we just go with what we got. You also could go rogue. You could go rogue. You could go rogue. No, because I've seen his rogue and they were literally all drive-thrus. Go Rogan. They were all drive-thrus. Follow your heart. Teams did say Arby's. They went all drive-thrus. Zach said Shake Shack. Is that a drive-thru? There are drive-thrus. We looked it up. Follow your heart. There are drive-thrus. Listen to you. We would like to take Dave & Buster's. Okay. Okay.

1:04:08PFT Commenter:Okay. It is a chain restaurant, and they also have a lot of fun stuff there.

1:04:12Big Cat:We had that on the list, too. Okay. It is a gray area.

1:04:14PFT Commenter:Yeah. It's a gray area.

1:04:16Big Cat:What?

1:04:16PFT Commenter:What's your favorite meal? All of it.

1:04:19Big Cat:Chili. The question to me. Chili, the green chili. That was a great question by me. The buffalo wings. Pigs in a blanket. The wings always. You can always say the buffalo wings. I was waiting for something. Gotcha on that one.

1:04:29PFT Commenter:Tinders. the hamburger ever heard of it alright good pick I let Zach decide between was that or P.F. Chang's

1:04:39Big Cat:yeah we had P.F. Chang's on the list too P.F. Chang's is a good one though P.F.

1:04:43PFT Commenter:Chang's kind of fell off though I didn't think about that my parents were at P.F. Chang's before they came and met us on the RV the other night that's why they were late I wanted to take Subway on ours because I think it's the most popular restaurant in the world but P.F.T. wanted Max to take it So we can call him a pedophile. Wait, hold on. I want to hear what you said, but also you just admitted to whatever. You just admitted to playing to the graphic. Zach also, well they pander. You just said I wanted to take Subway because it's the most popular restaurant in the world. It has nothing to do with whether you like Subway.

1:05:16You just admitted to doing the same thing I did. Max, guess what?

1:05:20Big Cat:Hank wasn't making the picks today. He just admitted to wanting to do that.

1:05:25PFT Commenter:Sorry, I missed that because Zach was whispering into the mic and my ear, which is probably not great for the podcast. He kept on whispering, I've never been to a PF Jenks. So what did you guys say?

1:05:35Big Cat:Hank put Subway on the list and I said, no, let's not take Subway because I want Max to take Subway. Got it. Because then we can be like, okay, Jared. And then memes can do a face swap of Jared and Max's face and we can call him pedophile.

1:05:46PFT Commenter:Why don't we just do the face swap anyway? Just to see what it looked like. Let's do it.

1:05:49Big Cat:That would actually be a great, you talk about numbies. You're a numbies guy, right? That is good numbies. That's big numbies.

1:05:54PFT Commenter:That's good numbies. You're just doing a face swap for something I didn't say.

1:05:58Big Cat:Wait, no, you're on a diet, right? You don't like Subway? You said that you're on a diet. I am on a diet. So is Jared. I've tracked all of my calories today, starting today. Jared was on a diet, too.

1:06:06PFT Commenter:All right, what did we miss? Benihana? Yep. Benihana, yep. You guys fuck with California Pizza Kitchen? I do. I like California Pizza Kitchen. That's pretty good. Red Lobster was what we were going between for the last one. But it was right after you were talking about bread, and it's basically just because of the cheddar biscuits. Cheddar biscuits, so good. Those are, that's like, we could do this Rushmore just off of like the opening bread of the Yes. Yeah.

1:06:28Big Cat:We had Medieval Times, but I wasn't sure if that was a chain restaurant, but I do love Medieval Times.

1:06:33PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:06:33Big Cat:Never been.

1:06:34PFT Commenter:Fuddruckers. You ever been to Fuddruckers? Yeah, Fuddruckers.

1:06:37Big Cat:That might be the go. It's a regional though. After your youth sports season's over, that's where you have your team party.

1:06:42PFT Commenter:Twin Peaks.

1:06:44Big Cat:Twin Peaks, good. This is good. Boobs. Boobs.

1:06:46PFT Commenter:Boobs. Wings. Boobs play. Wings and boobs. Tilted Kilt. Tilted Kilt. What do you guys think about IHOP? Love IHOP. IHOP. Excellent. Love IHOP. IHOP is great food. Great cheesesteaks. Great cheesesteaks.

1:06:59Big Cat:It's too international. You think so? Yeah. They got everything.

1:07:03PFT Commenter:There's a couple that I was thinking about that are classier ones, like Bonefish Grill. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Bonefish Grill. Or Capital Grill. Or Ruth's Chris. Yeah. But those are - Yeah, it's tough. You don't really think of chain restaurant when you think of those.

1:07:22Big Cat:Would you have accepted Maggiano's? I would have. Yeah, Maggiano's is better food than Olive Garden for sure. Bucco de Pepe, great food. Spaghetti Factory? Yeah. I don't know the Spaghetti Factory. Pizzeria Uno?

1:07:36PFT Commenter:Chipotle? Chipotle and Panera were on our list. We couldn't pull the trigger on Chipotle because that's fast food. I like that we all kind of stuck with traditional chain restaurant. Yes, Chipotle I was thinking about, but it is fast food. This was an honor play. Except for one got to go. Except what? Dave and Buster's Little Gray Area. One got to go.

1:07:54Big Cat:Waffle House, IHOP, Cracker Barrel, Denny's. Denny's. Denny's goes. It's gone. Denny's gone. I'll tell you the worst chain restaurant, Golden Corral. Fucking sucks. Golden Corral, here's what I like about Golden Corral. They have everything in Golden Corral. They've got the chocolate fountain at the end. I don't think I've ever been. Dude, it changed your life. It'd make you probably 200 pounds fatter. But they have wheels on the chairs. as you sit there, which I think is great because a lot of times people go to Golden Corral after they've been put into a wheelchair by eating too much at Golden Corral.

1:08:27Big Cat:So it's like we're all in this together. They don't feel shamed that they have to scoot around there because everybody's in those chairs. Respect.

1:08:33PFT Commenter:You guys fuck with Red Robins? I've never even, I don't know if I've even been. My grandma likes Red Robin. I like Red Robins.

1:08:39Big Cat:They got good fries, good burgers. Endless fries. Endless fries. I told Stephen Shea that I was going to Red Robin and he said, when you go to Red Robin, the steamed broccoli is a must buy. And I was like, what do you mean the steamed broccoli? He's like, it's the best broccoli. It's literally just steamed broccoli. There's no seasoning. There's no spices or anything on it. You can get it. That's a different dish that's like sautéed with the spices. And Shay was like, no, you just get the pure steamed broccoli. And I go through two to three of those every time I'm there. He's gross. He's a gross man.

1:09:11Big Cat:He's a gross, gross man.

1:09:12PFT Commenter:Ruby Tuesday. Great salad bar at Ruby Tuesday. That's the best part of Ruby Tuesday. It's the only part of it. Yep. I was thinking about - But it's also like a fat salad bar. Yeah. Like you go there and you're like, oh, I'm just going to get the salad bar. And you can get super fat off that salad bar. I don't know if it would have played because it's kind of gone out. But Pizza Hut had a - That was kind of like a chain restaurant for a while where it was more sit down. Yeah. Pizza Hut buffet was the best. Pizza Hut pizza. That was my birthday meal. Pizza Hut buffet? Just Pizza Hut pizza for my whole life.

1:09:44PFT Commenter:Pizza Hut buffet was so fucking good. Dead Great Arcade Games. Yeah. But I don't know if that's like, it's not really a chain restaurant. What? At the clock. What was the, for your birthday, the one year, what was the? We got. The Pizzadillas or something? Yeah. Pizzadillas. Pizzadillas. Yeah, yeah. Papa John's. That was Papa John's. Yeah, yeah. That hurt. The Pizzone. Good job, Chacarroni. No, they're called Papa Dia's. Wingstop. We got Papa Dia's on my birthday.

1:10:15Big Cat:I don't eat that much at Wingstop, but I've been told by like four or five people in the last month that Wingstop has good wings. Yeah, it does. Like legitimately good wings. Yeah, they do. I got to try it.

1:10:26PFT Commenter:Here, you want to hear Zach's? What do you got? What do you guys feel about the A &W Rubier place? Probably fast food. I like the Rubier. Oh, the Quaker State too. You ever go to Quaker State? I have. Yeah. That's pretty good. A &W is also, I think, drive-thru. Yeah, we said fast food. My bad, my bad. My bad. Can I throw out one that I just want to see what you guys would have said if we had picked it? Because Zach was saying that this could play. Cold Stone Creamery. Could have played. We had Baskin Robbins, too, on our list. I just felt like because they didn't serve any meals, it made it a little bit...

1:10:59Big Cat:I wouldn't call it a restaurant. I wouldn't call either one of those restaurants.

1:11:02PFT Commenter:Yeah. Cinnabon. Auntie Anne's. Yeah. Zach, maybe we'll do a different one where it's just... It's like rest stops and airports. Sprinkles cupcakes. Oh, yeah, sprinkles. I love sprinkles. Yes, I do. Yes, it's true. The best cupcakes in the world. I love sprinkles. Yes, I do.

1:11:29Big Cat:Yes, I do. Yes, I do. There's also some really good regional chains, but I don't think that that does well on a Mount Rushmore. No. Bertucci's was my favorite restaurant growing up. They had those in Massachusetts too, right, Hank? Yeah, Bertucci's was good. Tortoise Tacos. That's like an expanding regional thing. You took us there in Austin.

1:11:46PFT Commenter:That was a good place. So good. Bertucci's was literally like every time my parents were like, where do you want to go to dinner? It was Bertucci's. Yeah, it's 99. Is that not a 99 restaurant? I don't know. 99 reasons you always come back for more? Gas. Blaze Pizza? Oh, yeah, Blaze.

1:12:02Big Cat:Mod Pizza? Which one is LeBron's? Blaze is LeBron's. Blaze is LeBron's. back for more.

1:12:09PFT Commenter:Pop Belly's or no? Captain D's Seafood? Pop Belly's and like... It's like just... It's a tweener. Pop Belly's and Subway. Jim John's. But Pop Belly's is different than Subway because... Jersey Mike's is the one I would have done. That's all not really restaurants. No, but Pop Belly's definitely... If you're a restaurant, you have to get sat down by a hostess. I agree with that, but Pop Belly's is definitely a tweener in the fact that they'll have live music. Yeah. Subway doesn't have live music. But I hate the live music. No, I agree, but I'm just saying that definitely steps it up and the wooden booths feel like it's a little bit different yeah sam's club food court is fantastic oh yeah but that's just close to what we're talking about costco i was thinking no drive-thru you're right about the fantastic yes costco the dollar 50 hot dog come on jack come on jack zach i'm very proud of you the way you're holding the mic that was one one rule that i said to him is that he really has to put the mic close to him and he's doing a really good job yeah I got you too many acts around here okay tons of acts I get it I'll make sure I corrected myself no you're good I'm gonna make sure I'll hold it nice and close yeah all right uh let's get to our interviews we're gonna go Jaden Daniels one question with the quarterback Dan Quinn and

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1:14:28PFT Commenter:okay uh we now welcome on a very very very very very very very very very very special guest we're on the commander's practice uh field right now at training camp it is jaden daniels qb1 we're doing one question with the quarterback i'm gonna pass the pft he's gonna start us off and then we all are gonna do one question it's only right to start off with yeah all right my uh my question

1:14:49Big Cat:jaded is i love you uh that's not a question so if i were to rephrase into a question i would just say a lot of people ask you for stuff everybody's like you know you're in high demand they want you know your face on everything they want your autograph what can i do as a fan to make your life easier whether that's like wear the same jersey every weekend i mean if we win why wouldn't you wear the same jersey keep it going yeah okay for the whole season i can do that what else do you need? I don't need much. No, no, no. You don't need a car? Not right now. Not right now. Okay, I got a good car if you want one.

1:15:22Big Cat:What do you got? 1970 El Camino. Okay, I love that. You want it? You still driving it? Where's it at? It's in Chicago. I'll give you the keys right now. How am I going to get the car? Are you going to ship it? That's a good point. I'll ship it. Do you want, if you want the car, I will literally give you the car. Send me a picture. Okay, Good question, PFT.

1:15:45Jaden, a lot of talk this offseason about your 3D QB simulator. Have you ever thought about using it as a flight simulator? And if so, would you like a friend to do it with you? Hypothetically, I know a guy. I have not tried it, but who do you know? I'm just a friend who really, really loves planes and flight simulators.

1:16:05Big Cat:Flight simulators are fun.

1:16:07PFT Commenter:I think you have to be right behind Sam Hartman. Okay.

1:16:11Big Cat:All right. That's fair. That's fair. I'll be the whizzo. Yeah. All right. Good question, Hank. Thank you. Thank you. Good question, Hank. Hello, Jay, and thank you for your time today, man. I was just a super quick question. My bad, man. Super quick question. I was just wondering, from a fan's perspective looking in, you have such an ability to keep things kind of cool and collected under pressure. And I was just wondering if you had any tips for other guys who might want to keep it as cool as you. Oh, man.

1:16:38It's kind of hard. No worries. It's kind of hard. Totally fine? Yeah, just, you know. If you don't have any, it's good, man. I'm just saying, like, you can calm down a little bit. Yeah, I like that. I appreciate the advice. Be more nonchalant. Okay, so to be nonchalant is what we're working for. Yeah. Okay, I got you. Be nonchalant. That's great advice. Look up what kids call, like, aura. You got to get some more aura. Okay, so we got an aura for them. Yeah, 100%. Aura for them all 25. Thank you for the advice, Jaden. Yes, sir. Good question, Zach. Hi, Jaden. Hi, Jaden. obviously incredible season last year but I feel like with that comes some added expectations going into this year like do you feel any more pressure that the entire media is calling you a top five quarterback now I don't even pay attention to that all right good answer all right last question we'll cut this

1:17:23PFT Commenter:we don't even have to run this the Hail Mary that was that was lucky let's just be two guys talking we'll cut this but two that was come on a little bit of It's better to be lucky than good. You've got to have luck in football. Yeah, right. So you admit it was like there was some luck involved. I did my job. Okay. Which was to throw the football. Throwing it short of the line? Give my guy a chance. Okay, all right. But a little bit of luck. I'm going to leave that up for speculation. Okay, all right, all right. Well, here, you can finish this off with PFT.

1:17:47Big Cat:Okay, that was a great round of one question with the quarterback. I think there were nine questions with this quarterback, but good luck, Jaden.

1:17:53PFT Commenter:Happy birthday, Sam Hartman.

1:17:55Big Cat:Happy birthday, Sam Hartman. What a good teammate. What a good teammate. And seriously, if you need anybody to do any illegal shit to get your back, I'm your guy. I appreciate that. I will get down and dirty. Yeah. Let's keep this off the record, though. If you do anything that you need to pin on somebody else, off the record, we won't even include this, I'll go to jail. Appreciate that. I'll do it. That's love, man. Appreciate that. Much love.

1:18:17PFT Commenter:Appreciate y 'all.

1:18:18Big Cat:Respect. And now for something completely different.

1:18:22PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. Recurring guest. Uh, it is grit week presented by Hey Dude. It is Washington commanders head coach, Dan Quinn. Uh, coach, thank you for sitting with us. First question every week, every, uh, interview on grit week is what does the word grit mean to you? I love it. I love the word. First thing that pops to mind for grit, that you can get it on for a long time. Okay. Like, it's not, you know, do it once. Okay. Like, you're down for the fight. It may take a while. But, like, people that are gritty, like, this might be hard, but I'm down for the fight.

1:19:01Like, it takes me a long time to learn how to do this. Like, that has grit. You know, it takes a long time to go win this game. That takes grit. So I think it has – there's a time element in my mind of, like, I'm ready to get down. How long ever it takes? Four quarters, overtime, parking lot. Like, I'm down. Whatever it takes. Parking lot. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's never quitting. Yes. Yeah. And that's what I think of when grit. Like, this ain't done in a race and, like, this is not 100 meters. That's, you know, that's not the grit. Like, man, this is going to fight and it's going to drag it out.

1:19:31But it has a time element in my head. Like, it's going to take a while. But I'm going to get it. Yeah. Let it fucking rip. Yep. All the way. Is that your favorite thing to say? No, I think it's also like a mindset. Like when I say let it fucking rip, like it's not like let's just see what happens. Like you put all the work in, man. And so like now you can go let it fucking rip because of all the preparation that you did. Like so there's confidence that comes from like putting in the work, long practices, putting extra training in, your conditioning. Because then it's like I wish a motherfucker would right now.

1:20:04Like I am ready. And so you have to go through those tough training readiness to have like a mindset that's gritty to say like the longer it goes, the better this is going to be for me.

1:20:18PFT Commenter:Yeah. And that's why we like these end of the games. Like we practice them a lot, you know, because when it gets time to the end and like you have to call on your best and you have to like practice that way hard. Yeah. I got a question for you. This might be weird, but like do you lack in confidence ever as a coach? because like so last year incredible year coaching you get hired you're maybe not the sexiest name in terms of how the league has gone you know it's like if you have a cup of coffee with sean mcveigh you get hired we know how it works you get hired and what you did for this franchise this organization was incredible did it build your confidence back up you're like yeah i know i can coach football like i know i can yeah i didn't have a lack of yeah um because i don't like the outside narratives or voices.

1:21:02Like, I know that's like a thing, but I do a standard of how to do it. And so I was fortunate, you know, with Adam being here, like I wanted to have somebody to partner up with and like bring the best out of both of us to go do that. So, but as far as confidence goes, like that was internal, you know, to say that, but you have to also like, when you're starting a program, like there's belief and sometimes the belief has to happen before it even like does, right like showing that like hey man you can do this and so that's what i liked about you know gaining confidence gaining belief with the team because it doesn't happen right away like you got to go through a three-game losing streak you know get back up off the mat and say all right man like let's go fight so the confidence didn't waver but um i guess human nature you know sometimes where it goes up and down like it's not going right or in your head you're like why isn't this going faster or right you know so you just have to know that like keep doing it right and then like eventually yeah and it's not easy all the time but i think there's like an element of grit into that to say like this is hard but we're like we're hitting the right steps well congrats

1:22:08PFT Commenter:because it was an incredible year i appreciate that to do that as a first obviously you've coached before but to do it a first year at a new organization it's like it was incredible yeah there's definitely some lessons i learned previously as a head coach to say like if i get a chance there's some different things we're going to apply and so as a coach you want to evolve too you know like as opposed to hey man this is how we always did it like i hate that line right

1:22:33Big Cat:like like what's best yeah evolving i read that you did a 360 degree review right so after you left atlanta right and that involves reaching out to people that you work with maybe people that i don't know if you you fired or people that parted ways with you both and you asked them like what what was i doing wrong what could i what could i work on what could i get a better name for it is a blind spot report okay and uh like thinking about asking people man hey what would something that i need to know maybe that i'm not aware of and so think of it in that term like hey man keep doing this so there was definitely parts of like and then on the other side hey man think about changing this or going back to that it wasn't about anybody's name in fact i asked not to have anybody's name i just wanted to find any common themes to say man like was there some blind spots that i needed to know about because sometimes as the coach you know you don't get the feedback and you want to make sure they like i want the lessons from this yeah yeah

1:23:31PFT Commenter:was part of that uh being more aggressive on fourth down because you were very aggressive on fourth down was that part of the review where you're like hey we need to kind of change how i think about four downs and everything that's an awesome question it wasn't because it was more around um what could i do better and different and the fourth downs weren't as big of it when i got let go but that did evolve you know probably during my time in dallas um when do you be bold you know what's the right decision and quite honestly you know what's also a big factor man like the quarterback yeah yeah you know like with jayden because some of the plays that went in weren't the play that actually happened you know like he scrambled you know for a first down so he has the ability to create and a new one can take place you know it wasn't like you know get to the best play or get to the best check but his instincts and like in these moments like he's really strong yeah and so you'd be surprised man like coaches get confidence from players too

1:24:34Big Cat:Yeah. When did you know that Jaden was the guy? After our first game, we played a home game against the Giants. Well, I'd say many times, but it was my first in-game experience. We were down by a field goal, less than two minutes to go, and absolutely going over to walk to him before we get into the two-minute and smiling, absolutely knowing this is that time and that feeling of, man, I know I put the work in. And we drove down the field, we kicked a field goal to win, but sometimes that moment you get up like, well, everything's best, you know, like they're two. And he was like, man, let's go get this.

1:25:11Like he was like so cool, you know, underneath where I was like, okay, like this, this is a real one. And then there were moments after that that you just kept seeing, but that was the first one. And then from then on, it was like, and again, again, and all these cool moments. And some are in the losses too that you gained from it, but that was the first one.

1:25:31Big Cat:Yeah. I mean the Dallas loss, that was a crazy game. crazy in that game but that that throw they added to Terry yes for that long touchdown it felt like okay we're gonna win this game now yep that's a moment in a loss where you can say okay we did some some really positive things in a game that we happened to lose at the end yeah and those ones sting the worst yeah I can almost live with any result when you hit every marker you're like man turned over every stone like hit it all right and so when there's some mistakes or things that you're like ah those are the losses that are like crushing to you as a coach because if you You hit all the right markers.

1:26:04Like some games, man, it's back and forth. It's just a kick-ass game. You lose by a field goal. Like that hurts. But like it was a fight and you knew it. The ones that like, you know, like turn the ball over, don't get takeaways, give up a big play. Those are the ones that like, man, there's not a wink of sleep. Yeah. You know, because you're like, shit.

1:26:22Big Cat:With the fourth down stuff, is that going to change at all because your defense has changed? So like when you got here last year, new roster brought in a lot of guys. There was some turnover too. But the roster, I would say, you can look at it and say it's improved a bunch. And even the defense last year, over the course of the year, improved a lot, which is a testament to you. But is that going to affect how often you're going to go four and four down if you know you have a little bit more confidence on the defensive side? We'll be bold still. Like, that's who we are. That's how we get down. And, you know, kind of referencing, you know, Jaden and Cliff and situations.

1:26:57Oftentimes, it's the opponent, too. not everybody plays third and fourth down the same sometimes it's like fourth down people want to put like 10 toes on line say we're gonna blitz this is it other teams treat it just like third down and so um kicking scenario defense really just by like what do we need to do to win this game and sometimes that means get an extra possession going forward on fourth being bold enough to do that so it'll be by the game but we're confident with the people that we have that if that's how we want to get down, then we're ready to do that.

1:27:30Big Cat:Danalytics. That's what we call it. Do you call it Danalytics? We do not. We 100 % do not. You should. You should. It's a good name. We definitely will not call that. It's not going to catch on. You just call it big balls.

1:27:37PFT Commenter:What would 2025 Dan Quinn say to 2015 Dan Quinn after he kicked that field goal against the 49ers on the one-yard line? Oh, man. You'd beat his ass, right? Yes. 2025 Dan Quinn would beat 2015's ass. Yes, 100%. Love that. Yes. Now I feel full. I know I brought it up last time he came on, but now it feels full circle because – Absolutely. Watching you this year. So aggressive on fourth down. Yeah. We always joke when we're watching the games. You should just do whatever the opposing fan doesn't want you to do. Like if you're a thought about that, maybe putting an opposing fan next to you and be like, what would you like me to do?

1:28:11PFT Commenter:You want me to punt here? All right. I'm going for it. Oh, you want me to go for it? I'm going to punt because it usually is the right call. I would say it probably is because they don't want that to happen. Right. Right. Because there was moments this year where you guys were in like fourth and two. We'd be watching Max the Eagles fan. He'd be like, I don't want them to go for it because they're going to get it. you know so it's like that's you got to go for it there's a uh a boldness with it but it um you do have to grow in it like and now that we do it more it's scripted more in practice so it's part of what we do so there's not a tightness that comes up on the sideline of hey man we're going for it here okay you know like so like even in today it was a you know first down first down second third fourth and four where normally you just kind of go to the third down and then hey new group comes out so we include our fourth downs into our practice so that is just part of how we how we do things smart it makes me feel comfortable knowing it's another fourth down play it's another fourth down play yeah yeah can i ask you a favor yeah um can you let us know when shark week is happening this year because that was kind of bullshit that we didn't know about shark week yeah that's fair yeah we can get that out what what happens in shark week well i think the first thing um that like you know like sharks don't care what you know what week it is it's monday it was really hard the week before don't sleep no they just like go around biting people reminding everybody that they're scary yeah and so like it usually comes up on like a cold it's you know long road trip that took place and then all of a sudden shark week just emerges like you know the sharks don't care that it was a you know five hour flight back after the game the next week they're just sharks they just you know go out and remind people that they bite them and they're scary and they get things done so it doesn't have a calendar date on it okay it's a feel yes was there a moment where you almost brought out shark week and you're like nah it's not right oh you did you can't uh it doesn't really work to like do it twice in the same you know like it's like a yearly thing i've tried it twice in a year it's not gonna try shark week maybe in spain yeah you don't know maybe it's after spain i don't know what i mean gotta just go by box against the

1:30:11Big Cat:dolphins right yeah sharks natural enemies yes well and see what happens the week before you know

1:30:16PFT Commenter:Yeah, I just need to know when Shark Weeks is like, hey, we can prepare. It happens on a Monday, so you'll definitely have preparation time. Yeah, I mean, there was the famous Mike McCarthy smashed a watermelon. Were you on the Cowboys coaches? I was not, yes. Okay, yeah, but I was like, I need to know that before. Yeah, that's fair. Because that changes everything. He stopped smashing watermelons, though? Yes, during the time I was there, there wasn't any watermelon smashes. There was zero watermelons.

1:30:36Big Cat:Did anyone encourage him, be like, hey, Mike, might be time for a watermelon? I'm not sure.

1:30:40PFT Commenter:How much would it hurt to know that maybe he did smash a watermelon while you were there, but he didn't invite you? Yeah, it would hurt. Okay, yeah, I would imagine. That would really sting. That would kill me. Like, I didn't get invited to the watermelon smash?

1:30:50Big Cat:Yeah, that would sting bad. There's one dude on the roster right now that I feel like exemplifies grit, at least in my eyes and John Gruden's eyes too. He loves this guy, Mikey Sanders still. Yeah. I remember after you visited him at Michigan, you said, that's a guy that I would love to coach. Yep. Which is like a fascinating thing to hear somebody say, like, you watch a player play and you're like, I want to coach that guy. Yeah. What was it about him that made you say, like, I want to make that guy better? There was such an energy about him being around him. He was running routes at the pro day with McCarthy and the other receivers as a receiver.

1:31:27And because he had played receiver there. So like seeing the skill and the hands, like it wasn't like a DBA, I'm just running go ball. Like he was running crossers and like real routes. And I can imagine, I also asked one of the leaders on the team, if you could only bring one player from Michigan with you, who would it be? And the guy was an offensive player, and he was like, Mikey, why are you asking me this question? Everybody knows that. And there was – like you felt his love of football, the leading, the playmaking ability. So I thought he had rare traits on the field, but he also had future leadership to him off the field.

1:32:08Big Cat:Yeah. Do you just let him rip out there? We do. He's a guy that's like, I trust you. Yep. You're prepared. If you see something, you have full permission to go for it. Yeah, green light that.

1:32:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. All right, we've got a couple last questions. I know you've got to run in a second. In the NFC Championship game, the tush push, how far were you willing to go with jumping over the line? If the refs didn't get involved, you were just gone forever, we'd still be watching that? Yes, yes. So I know they have the ability to grant that, and I knew that going in. That was not a surprise to me. But we do have an attitude that we're never out of the fight. And so there was topic about the conversation of that play and people ask me what my thoughts were. And I spend way more time thinking about how are we going to stop it?

1:32:50Not, you know, about the play. Right. And like give them credit to say, hey, this is like something that they do that is effective. But that's our job as coaches to say, how will we do it differently? The one for Frankie going over the top was a technique to grab shoulder pads, pull them back, you know, as opposed to trying to go underneath, you know, the offensive line with the size. So there's definitely strategy involved, you know, and saying like, this is how we are going to do this.

1:33:16PFT Commenter:Because if he times it right, that's it. You get it. That's right. And so when it's inside or at the one yard line, it's worth it. Yeah. Like we're talking about offsides or a penalty of like, okay, it's right here. You know, so now at midfield, maybe that's not the call, you know, where it could be a first down. But like talking about defending a touchdown, like this is worth it to take this type of risk in this spot.

1:33:39Big Cat:Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was a good play call. I didn't expect the refs to say we're going to award a touchdown after doing it twice. I thought that they would give you like three or four chances at it. Yeah, think of it like the jump just offsides. If you can't just keep being offsides, they'll eventually just award it. So I knew that was the case, but I felt like we will time it up and doesn't mean we're not going to get it. I was thinking the other way, like we're going to stop the next one. This will be the stop. Not like, oh, they're going to score. It was like, no, we're going to stop. Yeah, we're going to jump it.

1:34:09Big Cat:I'm thinking out loud here, and feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. What if you just had everybody on the defensive line puke at the same time? It's harder than you think on command. Yeah. You know, like maybe the big guys could do it, but like I'm not sure Mikey could do that. Yeah. Yeah, probably that wouldn't be too much puke. But, I mean, you get like Duran Payne puking. Yeah. You don't want to run into that puddle. No, it's way different. Yeah. I don't think they'll flag you for it either. No, they wouldn't for sure not. No. But it's way harder than you think, just like on command for sure.

1:34:36Big Cat:Yeah. All right. uh i my last question was just going to be i love you yeah i love everything that you've done for the city we don't tell our bros that we love each other right yeah and i know all the work that you put into and how hard it was and what do you say like it's fun to do hard shit with good people that's the truth and you did some hard shit with good people last year and we we really appreciate it all the commanders fans like thank you and we love you thank you i love you too man this is a team i would be dying to be a part of yeah they are so many cool guys that uh are all about it and have really high standards.

1:35:06And so they connect, and the best teams have that. And not just on the roster, but I'm saying they are connected. And so during these times of camp, you push it, you're finding new roles for people, and people develop. And so a guy like Sanjer Steele, we're not asking him to become a leader, we're developing that leader. And I think there's a big difference in that because you don't just tell someone, hey, you lead now. You train them, you teach them, and then they become a leader. it's not you know it's just like practicing like you have to learn how to do that if you just say we want you to lead more like how do I do that you have to give them the tools to do that and Mikey has done that and others have done that and so as much as coaching is I'd like to develop the leaders here too they're not going to be leaders just in like football in their lives they're going to be leaders or businesses one day so like this is going to carry them out and not everybody leads in the same way some that's in the meeting room some that's on the field some that's in the locker

1:36:02PFT Commenter:room but like there's a lot of them here yeah all right my last question rowback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k dot com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts rowback.com promo code take the new said that one a couple times oh yeah right oh yeah i got it i got it i could call it into the huddle easily uh the new locker room yeah are we a little worried it's a little too nice we are not okay because like i saw some people saying it's like the four seasons ritz like was there part of you that was like hey let's take let's maybe keep a little something back maybe like have a toilet break or something yeah no we were we were pretty grimy we were out in the spring using you know portable showers and trailers so like yeah we haven't lost our grimy what about a ping pong table is there a ping pong table uh there is not okay but you could add it and then take it away 100 okay yeah because that's a great trick that every coach does

1:36:48Big Cat:yeah so much so often that's how you know you're in the doghouse you took the ping pong yeah get out of there um trust white just wants a ping pong yeah he's excellent at it you don't have to create like mandatory fun there's just spaces that people have yeah and locker rooms are like that sometimes meetings rooms are like that i've always felt like and you can work your ass off but like

1:37:10PFT Commenter:you can have like a really good time doing it yeah like they they can coat they don't have to be an opposition of each other and so if one it's just a grind beat down like you probably won't be able to sustain that and if you don't have discipline and like hey this is a good party but like you don't have the work yeah you're out of balance so that's probably what happens with some people i don't i'm seeing too much of this but just man keep it consistent on both like energy's high work ethic's high like it doesn't get off track in one day yeah yeah yeah like just watch it man like you'll you'll see if somebody's trying to slip a corner once and twice and then all of a sudden like that's the new standard like no bro like so i try to keep my eyes open and say hey, if I see it once, hey, what's that?

1:37:54PFT Commenter:Yeah. You know, and so you don't have to be an asshole, but you do have to point it out and say it. That ain't cool.

1:37:59Big Cat:Be aware, yeah. And before we started, me and Big Cat told you that we got tattoos here for the Commander's Bears bets based on who loses that game. You said you might want to design the tattoo?

1:38:10PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:38:11Big Cat:I'm down for that. I'd do it if it was a shark. If that's Shark Week, if you make the Bears so much on the line right now. Or Smash Watermelon. If you make the Bears Shark Week. I can't claim that's Mike's, you know. Mike's got to be the watermelon. but um the shark has a lot it may be okay i'm not calling shark week early i don't know make sure it's that you know like that is that is something that's on the table all right well

1:38:29PFT Commenter:we'll be in touch after the game and you can maybe we'll we'll talk with you maybe you can decide it right on yeah yeah all right thanks so much coach appreciate it yeah thank you guys and now for something completely different okay we now welcome on a very very very special guest it is grit week presented by hey dude it is washing commanders wide receiver debo samuel uh and we start every grit week interview the same what how would you define the word grit uh yeah it's just that dog mentality for real yeah do you have it oh for sure when did you first know that you had grit oh is there a moment where you're like oh shit that's oh wow like you know when a kid grows like over a summer and they like get their growth spurt did you have like a grit spurt where you're like oh shit i got grit now no i just always had that grit man you know since Pop Warner football.

1:39:21Yeah. We played that real Pop Warner football. Like lay on your back, get up and go hit some.

1:39:26Big Cat:Yeah. You've had that dog. What kind of dog would you say? What breed? I'm a rock roller. I like that. That's a good sleek dog. Strong dog. Fit dog. I was actually, I was looking at some of your tweets because you posted a video. This was I think a couple months ago with screenshots from people that had said mean things about you online. It was like a week ago. It was a week ago? Yeah. It was like a couple days ago, actually. So I have some of the screenshots, and we're just here to dispel all the rumors. So the screenshot said, Washington got slow, fat-ass Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel is trash, slow, and fat.

1:40:06Big Cat:Anybody see Debo Samuel running a route looking slow as the ice cream truck? And that was interesting. You are not slow. We saw you play today. Not fat. You're in the best shape of your life?

1:40:18PFT Commenter:yeah for sure right now best shape of your life right now was that partially because everyone called you fat online no don't care that would put someone into a diet no shit because there was a lot of people throwing everybody gotta have something to say something to talk about yeah that's just life i i actually have a real question about the the the fat rumors because it was like you you're at the 49ers you have a great career with the 49ers you get traded and then that report comes out and it's like anonymous reporting that he's 25 pounds overweight you're like what the hell what why are people now talking about this have no idea yeah it was it was kind of you kind of were done dirty in that respect i mean it's it's you know it's the media so you know you don't really get into it um they probably took a picture of me when i had fucking pneumonia about to die out there right yeah couldn't breathe right because that was the thing too last training camp i remember there was a lot of talk about how you were looking like you know fast and great shape but then you unfortunately got pneumonia and that kind of derailed that came out of nowhere yeah i swear like it was ridiculous how did you get pneumonia i feel like that's an old person disease so one night i was literally i was asleep and like three o 'clock in the morning i just wake up and i'm just like coughing and i didn't go back to sleep but i stayed up until it was time to go for uh time to get ready to go for the game and so like me you know i never had pneumonia didn't know what it was i thought i just had a little cough and so uh i called my iv lady and she come give me an IV, do some breathing treatment, and, like, you know, trying to get back in motion to get ready for the game.

1:41:47And so, like, I'm putting my clothes on, and I feel myself like, like, I cannot breathe. I'm like, what is wrong with me? So I drive to the stadium, and I'm just like, I don't know what's wrong. I keep coughing. It's hard for me to breathe. It's like, yeah, we do a lot of breathing treatment, give you an IV. Maybe you just need some food, da-da-da-da-da-da. So I do all that. I attempt to walk out to the pregame, and, like, my body's like, Like, nah, you, like, don't do it. And so I instantly walk back in the locker room. I get another IV. And I get the feeling a little better. So I go out there for the game.

1:42:18I do, like, three plays. And, like, I feel like if I would have did another one, I would have just crashed. It was that bad. Yeah, I went to Cal. I was like, I don't know what's wrong, but I cannot breathe.

1:42:26PFT Commenter:Holy shit. How long did that take you to bounce back? It took a while, but I left the hospital, like, three, four days afterwards and then played the next week. Yeah, that's dog. That's Gris. That's dog. That's Rockweiler.

1:42:38Big Cat:Yeah, absolutely. I also feel like if you get the nickname Debo as a child, you probably already had, that's confirmation, like, yeah, he is a dog. How young were you when you got the nickname? Probably like five or six. So what were you doing at the age of five? I was just running around fighting, taking stuff from people. My dad gave me that nickname. And crazy story is my stepmom was like, you know, you get to college, nobody's calling you that. And then I get to college, everybody's still like Debo. she used to hate it. Yeah. Didn't she try to change it? She tried to give you sweet feet? Yeah.

1:43:12But she called me Tasha Undo.

1:43:14Big Cat:Yeah. Debo gave me sweet feet when I was playing Pop Warner Ball. Yeah. You don't fuck with a man named Debo. That's my number one rule of thumb. That's a fact.

1:43:22PFT Commenter:I want to talk about college real quick. So your third year, or was it your fourth year where you got injured? You were about to have like. It was crazy. So it goes, the first game of the season, first opening kickoff, you run back for a touchdown. I think the third game of the season, your first touch in the game, you had like a 65-yard touchdown, and then you got hurt. I feel like you should just go around and be like, I was about to score 40 touchdowns. No, thanks. Because first game of the opening kickoff, I had three touchdowns. And then the following game, I had a kick return. And then I had another one.

1:43:54And then opening play against Kentucky, you know, first play of the game, slant to the crib. I'm like, bro, this is about to get wicked. I know. So that's six touchdowns right there, like off the bat. Yeah, two and a half games. Yeah, and then I run a curl route, and the guy jump on my back and just –

1:44:09PFT Commenter:That sucks. Ankle just gets stuck and just boom. All right, so we got to maybe – we'll start the lore of like, do you know who the best college football player of all time was? It was Debo Samuel when he played two and a half games that season. You would have won the Heisman. Yeah. I was in my bag then. I was in that mode. Yeah. I do have a question about your coach, Will Muschamp. Why was he always wet? Huh? Always wet. He just looked wet all the time. He was always wet and red. He just looked wet. You know what we're talking about. You know exactly what we're talking about. Like when the hair starts to stick to his forehead.

1:44:39PFT Commenter:Did he say, hey, Debo, one thing you got to do for me is never talk about how wet I am?

1:44:44Big Cat:He gets that confused look on his face and then he just gets redder and wetter.

1:44:48PFT Commenter:Any picture of him, he's wet. Like physically wet. Like trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I was like, y 'all just going to keep doubling down. We're right. We're right. These are the things we notice. You just never notice that? Those are the things I never pay attention to. Maybe there's a TV. Maybe the TV adds like a bunch of water. I feel like you got to look at some pictures and be like, damn, my coach was wet. So you Googled wet Muschamp. No, I would just see his press conference and be like, why is he wet? Did it rain? No, it didn't rain. He's just wet.

1:45:11Big Cat:I am going to Google wet Muschamp right now.

1:45:15PFT Commenter:That's a great idea.

1:45:15Big Cat:Y 'all crazy with this window. That's a great idea. Are you a wideback still? I'm a receiver. Okay, so no more wideback. I don't know yet. Do you want to be wideback? I'm a receiver right now. If you were to wave a magic wand. I'm a receiver. Okay. Do widebacks get paid more money? I don't know. There's only one. Who is it? I don't know. You tell me. Wait, but you just said that you're not right now, but then you said there's only one. Widebacks get paid more. If I were to tell you that widebacks get paid more than wide receivers. More receivers, sir. Okay. All right. All right. You want to see this image of wet Muschamp?

1:45:55Big Cat:Yeah, yeah. I mean, he is.

1:45:55PFT Commenter:He's wet all the time.

1:45:56Big Cat:I've never paid a team.

1:45:58PFT Commenter:You probably were more like. Muschamp is going to get on y 'all ass about that. That's fine. I mean, look. I'll take him to court. Look at that. That's a wet guy. Look how wet he is. Listen, I'd go to court for this. I would. I'd be like, go ahead. Release the documents. You've been wet for like 20 years.

1:46:16Big Cat:He doesn't want discovery on that. It's only the tip of the iceberg. Under the water, there's more. Real question for you. Do you need a fall guy? Do I need a what? Fall guy. Like anything goes wrong. I'm volunteering to be your fall guy. you gotta pin anything on anybody that was smart because now you can ask him after when we turn

1:46:34PFT Commenter:off the cameras i don't need a fog guy yeah wink yeah that was smart just like will muschamp isn't wet wink uh what when you got your 2021 year was insane that was like the you know peak debo is that guy still there 100 is it gonna be this year hope so okay because like that was i mean i would just remember you're such a joy to watch like i'm not a 49ers fan but i would just be like what fan are you bears oh i'm not wearing the bears hat anymore uh i thought i had it on i had it on earlier the debo samuel catches runs runs through people just everything you did on the field it's electric do you like are you looking for contact when you get when you get the ball you're like i don't necessarily say like i look for contact when it presents itself like i'm ready for it at all times but i'm not just gonna get the ball and just run straight into somebody yeah but if it's but if it's on it's on if it presists itself and even i'm always ready for it what's the key to you i mean you're you're incredible yards after catch too what's the key to that is there something because not everyone has that you can't teach it yeah so you when did you know you had that so like growing up uh my my father was my football coach and so always like i used to panic when like i used to see one person i just hear my daddy in his head like in my head like if he tackle you it's not gonna be good like if one person tackle you then we're gonna have a problem so like that always been like my mentality and like everything i do like especially out there on the field like if one guy tackle me then like it's it's not a good play yeah that's a good

1:48:07Big Cat:mentality to have yeah it seems like you're pissed off sometimes when you run uh it's just me it's just you love the game man it's fun you are i think we gave an award like three years ago for football player that we most like to watch play football, I think you won that award. Be having a good time. Yeah, you're a joy to watch when you carry the ball. Now, here in D.C., it's a different offense, right? Different from what Kyle was doing out on the West Coast. How do you like it? Smooth. Real up-tempo. No huddle. Cliff do a good job of moving everybody around, so you never know what anybody's going to be.

1:48:42And, you know, I think it's going to be hard for defenses.

1:48:44Big Cat:Yeah. How do you like playing with Jaden? I love it. he's pretty good pretty good yeah yeah you had a nice route today against Sanders still I like Mikey beat him on the seam yeah Big Cat came out there and I was like watch Big Cat Debo's in awesome shape right now he goes I'll be the judge of that next play seam route appreciate you

1:49:02PFT Commenter:would you guys have beaten the Eagles in the NFC championship game if Brock hadn't got hurt that was like what three years ago yeah leave it where it's at okay that was a good answer I was trying to set it up because we have an Eagles fan here so I wanted to get him mad because he gets upset when 49ers fans are like, we would have won that game. Yeah. How awesome is George Kittle, though, in the huddle? And he's a friend of ours. Is he as funny and, like, full of life in the huddle and on game days as it seems? Because he feels like he's a little kid out there. So it's like, love George. Yeah.

1:49:34Awesome in the huddle, great player, person, everything. Sometimes it'd be a little much when we'd be in the huddle and we could be losing sometimes, but he's still always the same whether we're losing or winning. And when we losing, he's still the jolly little kid in there. And I'd be like, bro, we're losing right now. Lock in. But that's like him being locked in. So it's just him being him. That's who he is. So I'd be like, me and Brock would be like, George, come on, get in the huddle.

1:49:59Big Cat:He's just, you know. That's a guy that likes contact. George is great. Yeah. George is great. He will run at somebody. He's a great dude. When you got traded to the Commanders, did Brent Ayuk hit you up and be like, hey, man, I was asking for the trade to the Commanders for the last two seasons. No. You're a lucky guy. Nah. How did you find out? My agent called me. Yeah. Were you surprised? Nah, wasn't surprised. I actually was so crazy. I was on the way to the Tank and Roach fight. Me and the bros had just landed in New York. And we was getting off the plane. I see my phone ring. I'm like, whoa.

1:50:37Like, why is he calling me? It's probably like 9 o 'clock. I'm like, why is he calling me right now? It's 9 o 'clock. you know, if your agent calls you a certain amount of time, he's like, what do you want? And so he called me. He was like, yo, it's about to be done. I'm like, what? What happened? And then, like, I just instantly got excited. Because, like, him and AP and, you know, guys were going back and forth of, you know, where I was going to end up. And, you know, this is kind of home to me. Well, the closest he can get besides, you know. I got family in Baltimore. And, like, it was just a lot of excitement the other day for sure.

1:51:07PFT Commenter:Yeah. Work hard and hydrate hard with Body Armor Flash IV. Whether you're working in extreme heat or powering through a long shift, Body Armor Flash IV delivers faster, longer-lasting hydration. With more than 2 ,000 milligrams of electrolytes, vitamins B and C, and zinc, coconut water, and no artificial sweeteners, flavors, or dyes, Body Armor Flash IV keeps you performing at your best. Get Body Armor Flash IV at your local 7-Eleven. Give us the amount of yards you're going to have this year. You know, it's crazy. my whole career like i've never been a guy to like make goals okay because i feel like if you make a goal say if i say 1500 right and i'm at 12 yeah you're gonna try to do so much like internally but not like like your mind is like yo you said you're gonna get 15 so like just try to do extra and then that's when bad shit happens so i just go out there day by day play by play game by game and let it just do what it's gonna do what if we do the goals for you you can tell us if they're good or not uh i'd rather you keep them to yourself okay maybe you'll tweet them that was smart because one of my goals was going to be debo i was going to be debo samuel admits that will must champs wet so you're you're smart on that one but i just say one yard huh i just

1:52:23Big Cat:say one yard then i'm not sending you up for failure one yard at a time yeah one player at

1:52:29PFT Commenter:a time yeah yeah but listen thank you for for joining us you are in very good shape we're We're going to dispel all the rumors. Hank, our other producer here, was saying you were fat right before you got in here. Swear to God. Did he not say that? He did.

1:52:41Big Cat:Well, when we got on the practice field, Hank looked at you, and then he looked at me, and he was like, hmm?

1:52:46PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:52:46Big Cat:He gave me that look, and I was like, that dude is in better shape than you've ever dreamed of being. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll fight on your behalf. If you're looking to run somebody over on the way out, that's your bitch right now. Yeah.

1:52:59PFT Commenter:Well, thank you, Debo. We really appreciate it, man. Best of luck this year. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. Iconic summer moments deserve an iconic drink. Reach for Mountain Dew, an American original. From its beginnings in the foothills of Tennessee to your biggest summer yet. The refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew is the perfect companion to your American summer adventures. Enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew. Tasting great since 48. Look for Mountain Dew in stores near you at Mountain Dew.com. That's MountainDude.com. Okay, Firefest of the Week time, Grit Week finale. Hank, you're up first, buddy.

1:53:44Yeah, my Firefest of the Week, my best friend hates me. That's one of them. Damn, sometimes it'd be like that. What's his name? His name is Daniel. Oh, where does he live?

1:53:58PFT Commenter:I don't hate you. I don't hate you. I hate the decisions you make. I don't hate you. There's a big difference. Should we talk about it?

1:54:05Big Cat:We could talk about it. Decision time. It's kind of a group fire fest.

1:54:08PFT Commenter:Yeah. Yeah, it was. It could just be the entire fire fest. It's not. Yes. Well, no, because I also. I have another one. Okay. Go with your other one first. I screamed in your ear. Well, that's part of it. No, it's part of the overarching one is I've just realized I'm 32 years old, and much like a child, if you get me in a moving vehicle, I will fall asleep no matter if I'm fully rested if I'm tired if it's a car, if it's a plane once that thing gets moving even on a train it gets going and I just fall asleep and that's something that your mouth doesn't my mind is still cooking mine never stops I've realized that's maybe not a good thing I don't know it's probably bad you get to sleep all the time Yeah, but it just feels like, you know, my brother and sister have kids.

1:55:03And like, oh, you know, you always hear like, oh, you know, your kids can't sleep. Just get them in the car and drive them around. Like, I'm basically still like that.

1:55:09Big Cat:Next time you're grumpy, we're just going to put you in the backseat and just drive you around the block. Until you get in a better mood. But yeah.

1:55:16PFT Commenter:Okay. Good fire fest. And yeah, my best friend hates me. I don't hate you. All right. So we do the group fire fest? I think we should just do the group fire fest. Okay. So we should put a disclaimer on the group fire fest. uh first disclaimer is uh we know that part of this story is not super relatable and it's probably not gritty not gritty but also we're when we did a packed three days and then we wanted to get back to make sure that we could film in vanny woodhead that was the whole plan because we got vanny woodhead fixed shout out hank good job hank you go so we wanted to kind of go back to our roots with so we need to get back to chicago um so yeah not very relatable not very gritty but uh yeah we who wants to start all right i'll start okay i'll start so we were

1:56:02Big Cat:gonna fly private back late night on wednesday night after we're done with the eagles meet and greet great oh by the way shout out all the fans shout out everyone that came out it was great we and max's family came out which was awesome because they all looked like a different version of Max and it broke me in Big Cat's brain to the point where we were just we would see a family member of Max's and we would just look at memes and be like dude you're such an asshole for all the face swaps because they all looked like they were a face swap version of Max like a real life you would see someone be like memes did it again with this guy

1:56:35PFT Commenter:they walked in I was like I know you guys you're Max's you're just a group of Max's

1:56:43Big Cat:so we leave the meet and greet which was awesome shout out to everybody that showed up great people as always and we drove to the airport because we're going to fly private back so we get to the airport and the pilot comes over and the pilot is asking for all of our ids a piece of shit we produce their ids and uh he looks at all of them he's like yeah uh he looks at big cats and he's like this isn't real id compliant because they made that switch a couple months ago and big cats like okay i've got got a picture of my passport if you can take that and the guy was like i'm sorry we can't accept that got my clear

1:57:16PFT Commenter:Got my clear card, got my TSA pre-check, just throwing documents at him.

1:57:21Big Cat:So all of us happen to have either a real ID or we have passports that were in our book bags. So he goes to the plane, gets all those out, checks them. And we're thinking at the time, like, he'll figure out a way to, like, let Big Cat on the plane. Because private pilot, you can just, when we flew out there, I think they looked at our IDs and they were like, okay, good. That's all you guys. Look at our ID.

1:57:42PFT Commenter:Did not even check our IDs when we flew out there.

1:57:45Big Cat:But in the past, they've looked at IDs that were not real ID and been like, okay, that's Dan Katz. Yep. All good. Let's get on the plane. So then Big Cat starts talking to the guy, be like, well, I've got my clear. I've got all this stuff. And he's like, you're not going to get on that plane.

1:58:00PFT Commenter:So - Well, wait, before that, he didn't, this is the part that really pissed me off with this guy. He didn't say, you're not going to get on the plane. He said, I have to make a call and talk to some people and see, giving me hope, giving He gave me hope that I was going to get on the plane and also delaying my chances of getting on a different plane. So he, like, prolonged the whole thing. And there was never hope. He had already made up his mind. He's a piece of shit.

1:58:26Big Cat:So Big Cat gets told no. I get on the phone with security, Mike, and I'm like, hey, Mike, Big Cat's going to probably have to get out of here. I don't know if he needs to go back to New York to catch a flight or what's going on. But he's not getting on this one, so you should probably come back and pick him up. Also knowing that Mike is really good at just talking to people. and Mike can talk his way into things. He's the best person at talking his way into things that I've ever seen in my entire life. Facts. So I was like, maybe he can just talk to the guy and figure out a way to get him on the plane.

1:58:52Big Cat:So Mike comes back, shows up. We were looking up some flights for Big Cat to see, is there a possibility that he can leave Philadelphia on his own? So that leaves the rest of us, and Big Cat's not in a great mood, and he's looking at his phone, trying to figure out what other flights he can get on, if that's possible. Big Cat, I would have been in a bad mood too. He was sitting over in the corner. The rest of us were sitting there like, fuck, fuck, what do we do? You helped. I tried to help. You were helpful. I tried to help. You had my back. Max tried to help as well. Max was looking at flights too.

1:59:24Big Cat:And then we eventually realized that Big Cat cannot get on this plane. And so I did the internal calculation in my brain. I was like, the flight's already been paid for.

1:59:36PFT Commenter:Which is the craziest part that that guy wouldn't let me on the plane.

1:59:39Big Cat:There's no chance that he's going to let Big Cat on this flight. And Big Cat can't fly back private anyways if he doesn't have that ID. So he's going to fly back commercial. It'd be a real shame if we didn't get on the plane and fly home. So my regret, which I expressed. You have no regrets. No, I expressed this to these guys on the plane. I should have gone up and been like, Big Cat, I insist that we stay one more night right here by your side. Okay. And then you would have said.

2:00:08PFT Commenter:I would have said absolutely not.

2:00:09Big Cat:Absolutely not. And then we would have gotten on the plane and flown out. Yeah.

2:00:11PFT Commenter:So, all right. So, here's what I'll pick up. So, this sucked beyond belief because it's like a long week, trying to get on the plane, paid for it, getting on the plane. Guy says no. He's a total prick. Just an absolute dick about it. And I would never have told you guys not to get on that plane because obviously it's paid for. I was in a situation so I then I drove from Philadelphia to Newark got to Newark booked a 10 o 'clock flight back of the plane and we want to say maybe won the grid award this week I don't know maybe uh maybe stop saying diva Dan when you're taking naps everywhere uh who was that is that no that's you that's you Hank that's you Hank uh yeah I was sure you're talking to him to Newark, got through, which is the craziest part because I have clear NTSA, so no problem getting on a commercial flight.

2:01:03PFT Commenter:Couldn't get on a private flight. Got on a commercial flight. And then my flight was delayed for two and a half hours while we sat on the tarmac. I got home at 3 a.m. It was when I put my head to pillow. Hank was asleep in his bed at 10 30 p.m. I also then had to get up at no you said before 11. He also slept on the flight. He slept on the flight as well. And really again all I wanted in that moment of I was just shit out of luck. Obviously I put some blame on myself because I should have real ID but if they had been consistent flying to Philadelphia or to Baltimore on Sunday if they had said hey you need a passport I would have been like great I'll go home get my passport we'll leave in an hour.

2:01:50PFT Commenter:They didn't say that they didn't even check an ID so the consistency was what fucked me there. I will obviously always travel with my passport going forward. All I needed in that moment was for just my guys to be like, hey, we're not getting on this flight. And I would have been like, no, you got to get on this flight. And then I would have been fine. It would have been great. But then I spent the next seven hours in hell knowing, knowing that they had already landed and Hank was already asleep.

2:02:18Big Cat:So we get on the plane and we were all thinking the same thing. And then we said, fuck it. Let's just talk about it. If the plane had crashed, Big Cat would have been secretly having it. Nope, nope. But what a moment that would have been. No, no. I told you guys my honest thought. You're not thinking about the moment. No. We all go down, you weren't allowed on the plane, and you're like, for the grace of God.

2:02:38PFT Commenter:I would have crazy survivor guilt. I actually, the only two things I was thinking about plane crashes was can your guys' plane crash and only the pilot die, and then can my plane crash so you guys have survivor's guilt? We talked about that, too. That's what I wanted. I was ready to die.

2:02:52Big Cat:We talked about that. we said if our plane crashed and then max was like i kind of hope that our plane crashed no i do not want you guys and then memes memes goes fuck that better him than me yeah means a piece of shit too he didn't say anything but but be honest be honest big cat because we talked about this if our plane had gone down would there been a podcast on friday yeah yeah and it would have

2:03:14PFT Commenter:been awesome and then i said guys i would have fucking shit on hank yeah and i would i said

2:03:19Big Cat:Guys, what if Big Cat's plane crashes? The one that he was forced on to. That would have been awesome. I said, we got to put out a podcast Friday because Big Cat would have won. Yes, absolutely.

2:03:29PFT Commenter:Absolutely. Yeah, so the whole situation sucked. Again, this is not super relatable. It was just more like this is a shitty end to Grit Week and also Hank. Then, so I was mad. I was mad. I actually said, didn't speak to me, walked in the office and walked past me five times without looking at me. I didn't want to talk to you. We had a meeting that we were in together. You were smiling and you sent me a text in the morning going, hey, we got a bunch of tasers. I was trying to move it forward. Okay. But you could have just said, hey, my bad. My bad for what? See, this is the part that sucks. Because even PFT is like, hey, we probably should have just said, hey, we'll stick around.

2:04:07PFT Commenter:I 100 % would have said, no, you cannot stay. You have to go. Hank then said to me that the reason why he didn't say anything is because I didn't say goodbye to him when I was trying to fucking rush and get a flight to Newark. God damn it, I should have said goodbye to Diva Hank, who was just sitting there, not saying shit, getting ready to sleep on his plane and then get on his flight. I was hoping that you were going to get a flight. I was there for an hour, fighting for my life, and not a peep from Hank. I think he was eating his snacks. Oh, I was not eating his snacks. I think it was snacks that we left.

2:04:40PFT Commenter:I think it was snacks that we left. Yeah, exactly. I thought that we were going to find a way to get you on the flight. Spider was on the phone. Mike was talking to the guy. It wasn't like, even though the guy was like, you're probably not getting this flight. I had not given up hope. I regret not going up and trying to help. I just put myself in. I didn't want help. I should have. I should have. I didn't want help. I should have texted you and said, sorry, you're not on this flight. I miss. That's also the other thing. I misjudged the situation. I misjudged the situation. The only one who didn't text me in the entire Vanny right now who didn't text me was Hank.

2:05:13Well, everyone else texted me saying, sorry, that sucked. Well, PFT didn't text until we landed, and Max had texted you on the plane and was like, he hasn't answered me, so I don't want to piss you off more. I misjudged the situation. Answer memes, answer Zach, answer PFT. I apologize. Well, PFT didn't text you until after we landed, and when we talked on the plane. That's actually not true.

2:05:28PFT Commenter:He was texting me when I was driving up to Newark, so that's not true. Yeah. I was answering him then, so that's just, you're false. You're lying now. Well, we're on the plane. You're lying. On the plane. Early on the plane. Back up, back up. I'm very sorry.

2:05:42Big Cat:Earlier on the plane flight, Memes had texted with you about something unrelated. You were like, I don't know what you guys were discussing, but you had texted Memes at some point. And then Max was getting really, really nervous because you hadn't texted him back. So then I decided it would be a great thing for me to do to lie to Max and say, yeah, I've been texting Big Cat this whole time, making Max feel worse about not getting a text back. I was anxious. So then I was lying about that. And then that got Max all worked up. He started talking loudly. And then that woke Hank up. And then Hank got involved.

2:06:10Big Cat:We don't want Diva Hank to make that. He was so mad at me. Curious at Max for waking him up.

2:06:14PFT Commenter:He's got to fly private. He's got to sleep. I'll never fly private. I feel so bad. You don't. I misjudged the situation. Here's why you don't feel bad. I misjudged the situation. Here's why you don't feel bad. And I'll tell you. So last night I was very mad. The delay killed me. I didn't get in until 3. If I got in at 11, I actually probably would have been like, okay, that sucked, but whatever. I came in today. I was like, you guys saw it right away. I came in. I was like, what's up, PJ boys? You didn't say anything to me. I'm joking about it. And then your first thing you said to me when we started talking about it, you said, you didn't say goodbye.

2:06:48PFT Commenter:And I was like, I can't fucking believe this. No, no, no. You were like, you didn't come up and say anything. And I was like. Yeah, and you said you didn't say goodbye. Well, we were waiting. I didn't say goodbye. Again, my point was like, if you would come up and like, yeah, I'm not making this fight. I got to go. Maybe someone would. It was. Me and Meems had said, like, should we all drive to Chicago? Gritty. Was there ever, like, that hour that I was sitting there was very clear I wasn't making that flight. But me. It was very clear. We were all holding out hope. It was a problem. Mike was our last time.

2:07:12As soon as he said no to Mike is when I thought that was when I really thought.

2:07:15PFT Commenter:So I should have said goodbye. There was ample time that you guys all knew that I was fucked. I fucked up. I'm very sorry. I don't know what to say. The goodbye thing I meant like you were like, you didn't say anything. And I was like, if you had said, like when we knew you were leaving for sure, we might have been like, hey, we won't get on this flight. That was where I fucked up saying that. I fucked up not texting you even though you didn't text Max back. and I'm sorry. I misjudged the situation. I thought texting you would piss you off more and actually piss you off even more by not texting you.

2:07:45Actually, the only reason I didn't text Max back

2:07:49PFT Commenter:because memes was like, this sucked. Zach was like, this sucked. PFD was like, this sucked. Max texted me being like, I should have stayed. And I was like, well, you're already in the air. It's too late for that. That was why I didn't text Max back.

2:08:01Big Cat:When Max told me that's what he said, I was like, yeah, dude, that's great. It'd be like, if I could change places with you, I would. Yeah. I would have done that.

2:08:08PFT Commenter:All I needed was that fucking sucked.

2:08:11Big Cat:Also, shout out to Zach. Zach was sitting next to me and he typed out text messages constantly for about 30 minutes and then deleted them. He was just typing them all out and then deleting them. What did you settle on, Zach?

2:08:26PFT Commenter:He said that was a terrible situation. I'm sorry that happened. Yeah. The, can I, all I want, because I'm not mad, I'm happy we talked about it, all I want is can we do a vote? It should be Diva Hank now, right?

2:08:39Big Cat:It's Diva Hank. It's always been Diva Hank. But you got a lot of sleep. It's also impossible to argue against Hank because you just become a real life version of the meme of those ladies screaming. Yeah. And then Hank's just the cat. Yeah. Looking back at you. And he's napping. And he's napping, yeah.

2:08:54PFT Commenter:Yeah, Diva Hank. Yeah. It was a tough, whatever. We made through it. We're good. I won the grid award this week

2:09:02Big Cat:be honest though if our plane had crashed there would have been a moment where you've been like I swear to god no because the survivor

2:09:09PFT Commenter:guilt would have killed me I just wanted the pilot to die the weather was also bad oh my god are you okay no but I'm saying like there was a point where we all looked at each other where we were like this isn't a joke like this could happen hey Max I flew through the same weather just like 7 hours later I'm not saying that as like I'm just saying that we were talking about it and then it almost happened. I was the one who said I wanted to land in Indy.

2:09:34Big Cat:Yeah, that's true. I preferred to land in Indy and not get here until this morning. That was what we came up with. We said when we were descending, we were like, it would actually be the best if we weren't able to land. They diverted us to a nearby hotel or nearby state and then we had to stay overnight and then drive back or whatever. That would have been the perfect situation. Then Zach was like, yeah, if we had to land in Nevada. I was like, yeah, okay. Just far. So far. So far.

2:09:59All right, Hank, are we good? I love you. I love you, too. I'm sorry. I think we should. Two rules. I'm sorry I didn't say goodbye. Rule number one. I'm sorry I didn't stay back.

2:10:09PFT Commenter:I didn't watch. I would never. You guys know deep down I would never make you stay back. I was even thinking about it. I was like, fuck. I could have stayed back. We could have got dinner with Big Dom, and we could have made a nice night out of it. Sometimes you just got to do that dance. I know. You're like, hey, we'll stay behind. I'll pay. Yeah. I would never have made you guys fucking stay. It was always you got to get on that plane. You should have drove. That's what me and memes were saying, and I was like, maybe we would have talked about it. I looked at driving.

2:10:34Big Cat:All right, so rule number one. No more private plans. Rule number one, Diva Hank. Rule number two, we always say goodbye.

2:10:43PFT Commenter:We always say goodbye.

2:10:44Big Cat:We always say goodbye.

2:10:44PFT Commenter:Rule number three, I got to make sure I bring my passport with me all the time. Rule number four, fuck that pilot. Rule number five, Max. Don't talk when Hank is sleeping. Don't talk when Hank is sleeping. Max was fucking screaming I did I did think to myself though

2:11:00Big Cat:Like if this pilot is being such a dickhead He's probably a super safe pilot So we're not gonna crash True That pilot knew what was good by the end He like waited to get up out of the seat

2:11:11PFT Commenter:Because you guys gave him the business That's what I said to memes I was like all you can do for me Is just tell that pilot he's a piece of shit

2:11:18Big Cat:So here's what Zach did Zach do you want to say what you said When the plane landed I remember most of it So I just tried to reiterate to the pilot, like, you know, goodness, you know, somebody works hard all week. They just want to get back to their family, their wives, their children. But you said it to us, but you were angled towards the pilot. Yes, loudly. So you were speaking to him. So you said, man, I really just feel bad for Big Cat. Somebody works so hard all week. They want to get home. Their wife. They've got three kids. It's just a bad situation that he was put into. Somebody made a judgment call off a sticker.

2:11:52Big Cat:Yeah. That was a line. That was a line.

2:11:54PFT Commenter:Yeah. What did you say memes?

2:11:56Big Cat:So my ears were hurting. Oh, God, I'm sorry.

2:11:59PFT Commenter:No, no, but I was screaming everything I was saying.

2:12:03Big Cat:So I was like, yeah, we found this guy's Instagram. I think he's a cat guy.

2:12:10But that guy really threw a wrench in our relationship for that moment.

2:12:15PFT Commenter:It is first world problems. Yeah, that's the thing. That was the part, too, where I was like, I can't even tweet about this because you can't complain. about the situation. There's no one to tell a fuck. I know how lucky we are and how lucky I am. And so, it was one bad night. I just had to get through it. Little grit. I swear to God, if that fucking, that second, the commercial flight I took, if it just hadn't been delayed, I would have been home like maybe two hours after you guys. And I would have been like, all right, that sucked, but I'm good. It was the, sitting on the tarmac for three hours fucking killed me.

2:12:48PFT Commenter:Nice hiccup. Do we have any other fire fest? Does anyone have a personal fire fest? I think that's good. Good pod fire fest. Yeah? I think that's good. Yeah. It was a good grit week. It was a great grit week. That fucking pilot could get fucked. He really - Should have hit him. Yeah. It was such a good week.

2:13:01Big Cat:I could have taken him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Easily. Easily. Right? I thought about hijacking it. He hid behind the wings. 100%. Yeah. He did after? No, I'm just saying - Oh, the wings. He hid behind the uniform. Definitely.

2:13:15PFT Commenter:I really - And it really was like a - Just an avalanche of events where if he had just given me the straight answer right away, I would have been like, all right, see you guys. I can get on a flight right now. I would have appreciated that. Yeah, and I would have said goodbye in that situation. It would have just been like, and you would have been like, oh, let's not go. We'd do our hugs. I'd have been like, no, you have to go, dude. Danny would go. Let's drive. What is that? What's the surfer?

2:13:39Big Cat:Oh, the one where they say. Eddie would go. Eddie would go. Yeah, I would have given you guys that.

2:13:44PFT Commenter:I would have been like, Eddie would go. You got to go. All right, great Grit Week, boys. Great Grit Week. Happy we got back to Vanny Woodhead. Doesn't this feel good? It does feel good. It feels like home. I love you. You also knew that it was not going to be like a I'm mad for weeks. It was going to be like 12 hours. You gave me the hardest cold shoulder this morning. I did because I was mad. You gave me the hardest cold shoulder of all time. Jerry added to all of this. Well, yeah. I was feeling Jerry out and then I knew. I was like, I think this is related. And then Jerry and Big Cat were in the same room.

2:14:16I was like, Jerry, why am I dead to you? Jerry didn't say a word. Big Cat walked away. I was like, oh, yeah, this is related.

2:14:21PFT Commenter:Yeah, the other part of this story that maybe elevated this whole thing is I got back in the car with security guard Mike, who is one of our favorite guys, and he's the best, keeps us safe. He's a former NYPD detective, like Staten Island guy, tough guy. And he just, from Philly to Newark, just ranted the whole time about how there's no loyalty left and it's bullshit that none of those guys got off the flight. And he just worked me into a lather. I was like, yeah, it is bullshit. I didn't even think about it until he started going. And then Jerry called him on speakerphone, and Jerry was like, what's the deal?

2:14:56PFT Commenter:Hank's dead to me. He actually said he's going to snap your driver. Yeah, no, he texted me. He's like, I'm dead to you. And then I called him 20 times and was like giving him every. Oh, so you called him, but not me? This is when I landed, yeah. I was like, well, I was trying to figure out if they were related or not. And then, yeah, they were. Yeah. All right, should we do. Well, no, I texted him. I'm like, why? And then I'm like, are we still golfing Friday? He's like, yeah. And then I was like, okay. He said I'm going to snap Hank's driver over my fucking knee. All right. Numbers? Three. You want me to go FaceTime from inside?

2:15:25I think we should do it from in here. I think it'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. 21. I'm going to do 85. 19.

2:15:33PFT Commenter:What's wrong?

2:15:33Big Cat:21. 47. 47. 15.

2:15:42PFT Commenter:What was your number? 21. 21. FaceTime me, Max. LT, Jet Legend. Great week, boys. Great week. I'm sorry. Great week. You don't have any other FireFests? Oh, my other FireFests. Shit. Max just left. The fact that he might be a... You know. You know. My other FireFests' Max might be a... You know. You know. You know. I call PFT little guy. What? Oh, you're on? I can hear you. Yeah, we need to get a truce on this. All right. Here he goes What was your other Firefest memes? I called my boss PFT The little guy That was funny though

2:16:29PFT Commenter:Chris say a number No say one 73 is his guess

2:16:38PFT Commenter:78 78 Imagine if he got it Memes in your fucking face they've been awesome alright great Grit Week boys love Grit Week Vanny's back Vanny's all the way back love you guys bye Hank goodbye Hank bye Hank

2:16:57Big Cat:everyone say bye to Hank

2:16:57PFT Commenter:goodbye is there anything else you want to say goodbye I love you guys okay great love you guys say goodbye

2:17:14Thank you.

2:17:45Thank you.

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