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30:42I'll find the actual against the spread, but they have been dominating so far this season. So there's a lot of NFC, AFC games this week. If you want to follow some trends, if you want to go with that, there's always that, although eventually it will probably. Oh, I have it right here. 26-12 against the spread, NFC versus AFC. Yeah, so if it's going poorly, you become a fan of your division. If it's going really poorly, you just become a fan of your conference. I root for the – in this house, we root for the NFC. Yeah, so 26-12 against the spread. There's Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers, Bills, Bears, Ravens, 49ers, Texans, Cowboys, Broncos, Packers, Steelers.

31:19A lot of NFC, AFC game commanders, Chiefs on Monday night. Also of note, because I put a note in, we screwed this up last year. Sunday is National Tight End Day. Last year, National Tight End Day, 15 different tight ends scored. Okay, good to know. So let's just keep that in mind. I don't know if they're doing this specifically, but that was crazy. You remember last year? I remember that, yeah. How did this happen? How did all these tight ends score? I do remember that, but it still goes to show you what a poor job running backs did advertising National Running Back Day last Sunday. What a downer of a holiday that was.

31:53Agreed. Agreed. We found out basically at Sunday Night Football. Like halftime of Sunday Night Football, they told us. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into the games. We have the Miami Dolphins playing the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are seven-point favorites. The over-under is 44.5. Oh, boys. If you thought it couldn't get worse for the Miami Dolphins, it has gotten worse because Tua came out this week. Wait, starting quarterback Tua. Starting quarterback Tua. Yep. Because, yeah, Mike McTales, you're right. Mike McTales did say there's zero uncertainty with Tua on my conviction in him and my belief in him.

32:26Yep. I think we're both very, very eager to do better at our jobs. We're both very committed. Tua then also talked about not targeting Jalen Waddle in the game against the Browns. and he said i'm not the tallest guy back there sometimes when that happens you don't want to just throw throw it blindly i would say to a throw it blindly dude it's not going well when you're not throwing it blindly right the picks are happening whether you can see it or not maybe just try to do some blind plays some old school dougs blind play i actually think that there's a good possibility that maybe two would just can't see linebackers it's the same thing is the james disease the jame well not least well there's the there's the being line black linebacker blind which is that's an acute phenomenon that Jameis had I'm saying that he can't see the linebackers because he's too short too short Jameis is plenty tall it was an eye problem for Tua I feel like this is why in the draft you measure quarterbacks up to the eyeballs yep you don't measure them to the top of the head Tua's got a lot of wasted space in the forehead makes him a little bit taller on paper than he really is he's got low eyes you've always said that Tua's got low eyes I think also maybe being left-handed might something to do with it yeah yeah it just seems like the Dolphins are running out the clock here on the season on Mike McDaniel on Tua and they're going up against a Falcons team which I mentioned on Sunday I think my strategy for the Falcons will be just if they are coming off a loss I'm going to bet on them and if they're coming off a win I'm going to bet against them because they're a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde when it looks good it's great when it looks bad it's really bad but this is going to be a big time Bijan and Tyler Algier game the last three games the Dolphins against running back ones have given up 410 yards and four touchdowns that's not good it's not good that's not good and Tua is one in nine in his last 10 road games straight up and he's also not good he's thrown three picks in back to back games Tua's a very streaky interception guy and he's in a bad streak right now a very bad streak now with the Falcons Michael Pennix not super healthy right now yeah I think day to day is what they're calling him.

34:34Day-to-day. We're all day-to-day when you think about it. But for Penix to be day-to-day right now, I hope that at some point this season we get a Kirk Cousins game. Yeah. I want to see Kirk Cousins. I want him to go out there. I want him to play well. And then I want him to be traded to another team this season. Is there a chance that Michael Penix is getting soft benched? Soft benching is a new thing. I'm so in on soft benching. Because it's now J.J. McCarthy has been soft. it's been thrown out there that he's been soft benched Vikings fans refuse to give that any credence I do think he's been soft yes yes so now every time someone gets hurt I'm just going to assume it's a soft bench soft benching soft bench soft benching Bryce Young soft bench soft benching he's been soft bench so yeah with with Pinnock's not a soft I think he's got like a bone bruise he's day-to-day I just would like you know that if you're the Falcons owner you're every month you're writing that check or every week you're writing that check to kirk cousins and you're thinking to yourself i i'd like to get something out of it even if he's not the best option for us at quarterback right now it'd be nice to get some return on this value just one win just one win yeah let's let's let's put him out there and just like make him work yeah like you're paying a guy to not work at some point even if he's worse than pennix you're like i i want him to break a sweat yeah just get him out there if kirk cousins got you one win you'd be like hey maybe it was worth it money well spent uh by the way there was some pushback on our discussion on wednesday about jameer gibbs in my opinion being the best running back and i didn't mention bajon uh that was that was a mistake bajon is electric bajon is in the conversation and then there was a stat i saw that uh is pretty pretty significant bajon robinson this year has 46 mixed missed tackles forced it's 10 more than any other player yeah he's awesome he's so sick And we get a Falcons home game, so we get the cool camera that only they have.

36:28Are you talking about the one that goes in the sky that goes directly in the middle of the butthole of their stadium looking down? And I've seen people get upset because they basically are like, well, Bajon's the only one who gets this camera. Yeah, it's at Atlanta. Yeah. That's when he has the camera. That's also not entirely true. Desmond Ritter got that camera. In Atlanta. In Atlanta. And they used it precisely one time. Yes. On like one Desmond Ritter pass. So we have evidence documented about that. Yeah, I'd put Bajon probably one or two in the NFL right now. Yep. I think that it's like a fluid week-to-week conversation, depending on who just went off.

37:06Also, just a PSA to all AWLs, which I think AWLs do realize this because we've been doing this for a very long time. The long-hardened AWLs have been with us through thick and thin. Whenever we do a spur-of-the-moment top, you know, this guy's the best or top three, we will 100 % miss a very obvious name. And we do it just to piss you off. Yes, you. The one person who's very angry about Bajon. Yeah. Gotcha. It has nothing to do with the fact that we are low IQ people. No, I think I said Bajon. You might have. I think I said that I would definitely put him in that conversation. In reality, there's three or four running backs in the NFL that I would love to have.

37:46Yeah. That you would love to have. But I do, no matter what, if you walk up to me and say, hey, give me the top three in this position. I'll give you a good top three, and I'll miss an obvious one. Top three wide receivers in the NFL right now. Jackson Smith. Okay. Jamar Chase. Yep. CeeDee Lamb. Oh, Jefferson. This guy forgot Jefferson. I forgot Jefferson. I forgot Jefferson. So we're taping this early in the morning. What if he went off for like four touchdowns and 200 yards? That would look stupid right now. What are you going to say, Max? Max, you got something to say? I got nothing. What are you guys laughing about in the booth?

38:21We're just talking shit Share with the class We're doing a podcast Max is excited about VJ Edgecombe Oh, okay Zach got weirdly defensive About VJ Edgecombe? About the Knicks Oh Okay, well good segue, Booth Let's go to the next game Jets at Bengals Bengals are minus 6.5 point favorites Against the Jets and the over-under is 44.5. Good news for the boys in the booth, at least for memes, the New York Knicks have more wins than the Jets. That's awesome. Go New York. That's huge. Go New York, go. Memes? Mean stat. Nope, that is a mean stat, yeah. Knicks look really good. Yeah, yeah. Fun team. Very fun team.

39:08What about Matthew Schaefer? He's a stud. Yeah. Memes, do you think this is the week for Brees Hall? I hope so. Unleash 20? I also think it's the week for Justin Fields. You do. So Justin Fields, quite a week in Jets world. We had a couple weird things happen. One was Woody Johnson talked about how he hugs Aaron Glenn after every game and tells him how much he loves him. Okay. That's not really something that you do to a coach that's successful, though. No. it's more it's more you do that to someone whose family member is dying or they coach the jet it's like i feel sorry for you correct thank you for still but it's almost like he looks at aaron glenn like thank you thank you for taking this job he's i know that i know it's not easy he's basically doing the robin williams not your fault in goodwill hunting every single day after every game well no i think it was every day they hug milwaukee told the waiter aaron glenn you hear about him he's coaching the jets thought he would cry but that wasn't the weirdest thing that woody johnson did woody johnson then came out and said about his starting quarterback we paid a decent amount of money to that he can't complete a pass if we could just complete a pass it would look good he said if you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that you're gonna see similar results woof that's a mean thing to say and then justin fields didn't see it until he was talking to the media and was kind of throwing at him aaron glenn also had a spicy exchange with the media memes not good not good this is just total dysfunction this is the rock bottom we were talking about under the rock bottom it's below the rock it's below the rock bottom and now it's only up from here hopefully what's below rock bottom i don't know what the the mantle of the earth the liquid core yeah yeah we're at the core it seems it seems bad it seems like they don't really they haven't named a starter yet right but i i would assume that if the owner is making comments like this it's probably going to be to rod if the owner's like our quarterback can't throw a pass that seems like it would point towards the guy that can throw a pass correct but if you're Aaron Glenn you almost have to start Justin Fields to prove the point that you're still making the decisions and it's not the owner so you're wait you're saying that Aaron Glenn because the owner has been so negative the owner has been so negative you you if you start Tyrod Taylor, that's Woody Johnson making the decision.

41:37Yeah, you're letting him win. Aaron Glenn almost has to start Justin Fields just to be like, I'm still in charge. I'm the man. I'll show him. I'm going to lose this game. And I'm looking forward to my hug afterwards. Yeah. He probably wants that hug. Now, did you know that Justin Fields has not thrown an interception this year? That's pretty good. So he can't complete a pass to anybody. And so he is the first quarterback since 1950 to have zero picks and zero wins. in their first start of the season. But Brie Saul, the reason I ask about Brie Saul, how many touchdowns, Big Cat, do you think Brie Saul has this year?

42:13One. Zero. He has zero touchdowns this year. I was trying to give him a pity one. Pretty crazy that Brie Saul hasn't scored yet. Yeah, they normally go to Braylon Allen on the goal line. Memes, for the quarterback situation, Aaron Glenn did clear it up. He said, we will have a quarterback on Sunday, I'll tell you that.

42:36suck it haters so suck my dick to the world aaron glenn just said you thought we were going to play without a quarterback yeah you're wrong listen we're gonna have a quarterback 99.9999999 % of the world will not be coaching a quarterback on sunday they won't have a quarterback on their roster that would be funny if he just went wildcat pre-sall dad for the entire game the wild jet no no quarterback yeah i don't know tyrod taylor's day-to-day too oh so he might not even be able to play what does he have a knee oh not just one just one okay have people been tagging you in insult stats related to the steelers and jets no because justin fields was four and two with the steelers last year he's oh and six with the jets aaron rogers was five and twelve with the jets last year he's four and two with the Steelers this year Arthur Smith sneaky QB whisperer you made Aaron Rodgers good and Justin Fields what was Flacco's record with the Jets uh I mean Aaron Rodgers has a throw for 300 yards uh or Mondre Stevenson doesn't fumble the ball they lose that game yeah yeah Flacco with the Jets was that's positive for you Hank Flacco with the Jets was kind of like remember kurt warner on the giants yeah not really but yeah yeah because it was it was oh this is done kurt warner i think he was rocking two gloves with the giants he looked cold all the time he just couldn't stop fumbling the ball those guys deserve all the credit in the world be like i'm not retiring i still am good yeah i mean joe flacco he got comeback player of the year from coming back from playing for the jets he didn't have an injury he was overcoming nothing like major took him out of football yep he just got comeback player of the year because it's like how do you get over what you just experienced yeah and joe flacco by the way had an incredible quote this week talking about being on a new team his family still living in new jersey he said that i used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating and i used to feel so bad for them and now i realized that dude was in heaven yeah he had great delivery on that too so true great delivery on it that man yes i you can you can hear the uh the fact that he's got five kids at home yeah right if you have kids and you are you you you find yourself in a spot where you're traveling it's kind of like when we go travel and the thing i look forward to most is just sitting in my hotel room with nothing happening not even the tv on just sitting yeah just sitting there and just being like this is awesome just a little bit of a break so joe flacco i think that's why he keeps taking these jobs yeah he's like yeah uh i got daddy's got to go to work he'd really like to stay here pick you up from school i want to do all the things uh but But, you know, NFL, I have to go play for the Bengals.

45:18You understand. Yeah. This is a must win for the Bengals. Well, I think they're all must wins. Yeah. Well, there's a couple that will be coming up that are going to be difficult to wins. This is a must win. There's a path for the Bengals to somehow scratch and claw to nine or ten wins. It does not happen if they lose this game. The Bengals are going to be this year's team that is just always in the hunt graphic. Yeah. They're going to be sticking around, making some noise, maybe playing spoiler at the end. Yeah, you're going to love the in-the-hunk graphic this year, Cincinnati. Yeah, so they've got to win this one.

45:53I'll say this. I don't think that the Bengals should be six-and-a-half-point favorites. That seems a little crazy. Their defense is bad. Defense is bad. Offensive line is bad. Jets' defense is playing better. I might have to bet the Jets. This is important. This is important. Is Sauce playing? I'm not sure. That is important. That's very important. Very important. If Sauce is playing, I could see a world where, yeah, why are the Bengals six-and-a-half-point favorites to anyone? But if Sauce is not playing, I feel like that might be just a Joe Flacco aired-out game.

46:33Yeah, but I don't know. The Bengals' offensive line is banged up. Joe Flacco also. The Bengals' offensive line is always banged up. Joe Flacco had that Joe Flacco game last week, and then he turns back into old Joe Flacco. It's like almost every other game. It depends on how old Joe Flacco you're talking about. I like the Jets here. Yeah? Hungry Dog? What's the Hungry Dog this week? I don't know. I don't know how crazy I want to get. We'll see. There's a lot of dogs that I like. Okay. The next game, Hank. NFL teams don't go over. Yeah. Except for when the Lions did. And the Browns. Yeah. Yeah.

47:10But other than that, I agree. The Jets are different, though. The Jets will win a game. I think. They will. Yeah. I don't know. Browns and Patriots. Hank. Yeah. It's an exciting one. Why? Because it's a good test against a great defense. That's a good point. There's a stat that's not great for you. Since 2018, teams who are on a four-plus game straight up or against a spread win streak who didn't make the playoffs the year prior are 14-26 against the spread, but they're 1-14 against the spread since 2022. So teams that were expected to be bad because they didn't make the playoffs last year and then have a four-game winning streak, 1-14 against the spread since 2022.

47:52That stat doesn't mean much to me. It's a different team. Okay, cool. I agree, too. Because it applies to the Bears as well. I saw the stat like, fuck, shit. Would you consider the Browns to be a weak team in the NFL? A weak team? Their defense is like the best defense in the NFL. I think they're one of the strongest teams, just physical, just based on how much they can bench. I think they're an extremely good bad team. Definitely. They might be one of the best bad teams that we've seen in this league in the last 20 years. Yeah, they don't feel like the bottom has fully fallen out at any point.

48:29They just, obviously the Dolphins game aside, they play the same game every week where this will be close in the first half, and then it will probably not be close. Yeah. Have you read the reports coming out of Browns camp recently? No. The Shadour buzz. Uh-oh. So Mary Kay Cabot said, in practice, Shadour Sanders has been making a ton of progress. He looks really good. I've been saying this over and over again. If you put Shador and Dylan Gabriel side by side or one after the other in a seven on seven red zone drill, I think Shador would probably win that drill much of the time. Or if you put them against each other in a pocket drill where you're throwing the ball into little pockets in the net, I think Shador would win that a lot of the time.

49:10So that to me, I mean, I can't think of a more resounding endorsement of Shador than he's winning the throw the ball into the tiny hole on the net drill. Yep. And in seven on seven red zone specific drills, he probably wins that drill much of the time. so they're gassing them up they're gassing them up it sounds like it sounds like chador is ready it is funny that dylan gabriel won a game is the starting quarterback for the browns and i don't think anyone is saying yeah that's the future no not a single person the lefty it's tough short lefties tough yeah the browns by the way they have their six their longest play from scrimmage this year is 46 yards their six longest plays four of them are runs so not exactly explosive in the pass game.

49:53No, but I would say that the formula is going to be just Judkins. Judkins. Just Judkins. Judkins the fuck out of this game. This is your Judkins game and make the Patriots stop you. But again, Hank, remember that stat, Patriots 50-yard rusher. They still have not given up a 50-yard rusher this season. You want a great Drake May stat that's pretty crazy? I'd love one. Drake May is 24th in pass attempts in the NFL this season. He is 8th in passing yards. Wow. That's a pretty good stat. Yeah. That's a pretty damn efficient. A deep ball merchant. He's efficient, accurate, total package. Total package for Jake May.

50:28Total package. Cover two killer. Is that what they call him? Yeah. I've been watching a lot of film. So. He owns cover two. They have ranked third in offensive explosive plays this year. Which is, I mean, those are the things that, like, if you can stop explosive plays and you can get a couple of explosive plays, that's a pretty good recipe to win a football game. Have you thought about the fork in the road in this game, Hank, where if the Patriots play like you think they're going to play? I think your confidence train just keeps gaining momentum at that point. I don't think you're going to spike up in confidence after this game if you beat the Browns handily.

51:02But I think you'll just be like, yep, okay, this is happening. I'm rolling with it. What if we 40-piece a really good defense? If you 40-piece a really good defense? Yeah, that's a good question for you. That's a spiker. What if? That spikes you up? Yeah. Now, what if you lose to the Browns? that'll be tough that'll be that'll be uh that'll definitely be a go back down to earth reassess regroup rethink some things get ready for you know a second chance would you say like well the packers lost to the browns no you would not do that because that doesn't care about the rest of the league no yes and this is joe flacco but if we lost to joe flacco on the browns it'd be different that's true lose to dylan fucking gabriel and the browns even shador i i i could live with that like shador comes out he's been waiting to prove his moment just goes off fine you're doing the uh go fine you're doing the sean payton dylan gabriel like can't even throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field you're doing the sean payton right now you're like i i really hope they don't switch to shador before we get to play him yeah yeah uh this is the first the Browns are trying to win their first game in Foxborough since 1992 they've had six different quarterbacks try to attempt it Baker Jason Campbell Derek Anderson Tim Couch Vinny Testaverde and now Dylan Gabriel last one to to do it was Mike Tomczak hmm there's a name by the way I forgot a stat I apologize from the Bengals did you guys know that last week the Bengals winning with Joe Flacco, that was the first time that Zach Taylor won a football game with a quarterback not named Joe Burrow in September, October, or November.

52:43No. He was 0-17 until that win. Because his first year, he won, what, two games? He won two games. He had Dalton and Ryan Finley. He lost with Brandon Allen, Jake Browning. He was 0-17 in the months of September, October, November until Joe Flacco won that game. Do we know, is he a good coach? Zach Taylor? Yeah. Is he a good coach? Went to a Super Bowl. He went to a Super Bowl. He had Joe Burrow. Went to a Super Bowl. And then every year that the Bengals aren't good, those are years when Joe Burrow gets hurt. Yep. And so then you have to ask, well, he's winning a couple games with Jake Browning.

53:17Does that make him good? Went to a Super Bowl. He went to a Super Bowl. He didn't win a Super Bowl. But no one expected him to go to that Super Bowl, so it's kind of a win. Yeah. I'm curious to know from Bengals fans, do you think that Zach Taylor is a good head coach or not? I think the answer is probably going to be no. I think, well, yeah. Yeah, probably. I think he's a good head coach. Every city kind of hates their coach a little bit. Yeah, he's adjacent. Yeah. Speaking of cities that hate their coach, Giants at Eagles. Eagles minus seven. No, you don't hate Sirianni anymore. I never said I hate Sirianni.

53:45Not this year did I say I hate Sirianni. Okay. You haven't had crisis of confidence at any point. For Sirianni? Yes. No. You hate Petula, though. You hate Petula. He could improve. This is all leading to the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and then us having Kevin Petullo getting a head coaching job and then us interviewing him at the Combine this year. Yeah. Max, have you thought about maybe contacting the FBI and saying, I think Kevin Petullo is in the Bonanno crime family? You might want to look into him. Didn't think about that until you just said it. Interesting thought, though. Interesting thought.

54:18So the Eagles are 7.5-point favorites. The over-under is 43.5. Max, how are you feeling about this game? Obviously, two weeks ago, the Giants embarrassed you. The good news is I think I saw a stat that since 2008 or 7, the Eagles haven't lost consecutive games in a season, in a single season to the Giants. So that's good. Yeah, no, I still don't feel good about it because the last time we played the Giants, it couldn't have looked worse. But you didn't have Jalen Carter. We didn't have Jalen Carter. We didn't have Quinn Young Mitchell. But we're also not going to have Cam Jergens. And I don't know what the fuck's going on with A.J.

54:58Brown. Yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean by that? You know what I mean. What do you mean by that? Something's going on with A.J. Brown. Something is going on with A.J. Brown. Are you saying his Instagram post where he said using me but not using me? Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. He had 120 yards, two touchdowns, and for some reason he still thinks that. I have a theory. I have a theory about A.J. Brown. It would kind of explain a lot about what we know about the guy. I think he looks at his relationship with a football team And every time they go to him And they try to exploit a weakness in the defense They're like, we gotta stretch the field Let's go to A.J.

55:39Brown He's a great receiver A lot of receivers would be like, yeah, this is awesome They understand that I'm an elite talent And they are getting me to score touchdowns in this offense That's a good thing I think with A.J. Brown He feels like he's being used Like they wouldn't pass him the ball if they didn't need him to win. So fuck them. It's like, you're just using me so that you can win. Using me, not using me. You don't appreciate me as a human being. You only appreciate me for my job that I can do. So you're saying maybe the Eagles have to win a game where they use A.J. Brown the perfect amount.

56:12The perfect amount. Yeah. Like, hey, we're going to. 80 yards and a touchdown. We're going to throw you the ball, not because we think that you're going to score, but just because we value you as a human being. Right. And we feel like we want you to be a good part of this team and contribute. So you're not going to win. You're triple teamed. Let's just try to pass you the ball anyways. Because that's showing us that we're not exploiting you. We're not taking advantage. He thinks that they're taking advantage of him because they only throw the ball to him when they need to score. When they really need to win.

56:42Yeah. And they need to show that their offense is broken. Have you thought maybe Jalen Hurts, maybe Nick Sirianni just has to have Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown just have a good game of catch? I don't know. Jalen Hurts did another fortune cookie. Oh, I have America's favorite game. It's called fortune cookie or Jalen Hurts. Would you guys like to play? Yes, I am familiar with this quote. Okay. No, no. I have a bunch of quotes because Jalen Hurts, I was looking through it. It's every single week, multiple, multiple quotes. But so I'm going to play. I'm going to give you a quote. You guys are going to tell me if it's a fortune cookie or if it's Jalen Hurts.

57:17You ready? Mm-hmm. whenever possible keep it simple Jalen Hurts That's a fortune cookie Fuck Well I mean that's That's grasping at straw Control the thing How many Every single coach In the NFL Says that Hold on Control the things You can and move forward That's Jalen That's a fortune cookie That's Jalen Hurts That's also every coach You're just saying Football You know what Fuck the game I'll just give you All this fortune cookie Quotes this week He said You learn from All your experiences He said Accept the challenges When they come in Master the things that take no talent. That's a good fortune cookie.

57:58That's good. That's a really good one. That's a good fortune cookie. He said, nothing is as good or bad as it appears. That's a good one. That's also not true. It's also a fortune cookie. There are some things that are just... I slipped one in. Okay. I was going to say, there are some things that are just as bad as they appear. Control the things you can and move forward. That's a Jalen Hurts. That's also every coach in America. Take advantages of your opportunities when they come. that's such a fortune cookie also such a every coach in America that's Jalen Hurts and hope to influence people in the best ways these are just no if we're being honest you're missing the one I have the one but I'm just giving you the I just had those are you have to admit every single thing you just said is in every press conference in every football room in the country I was going to say that all those things that Big Cat just said those are all true yeah this is good advice he said are you talking about the I just keep my focus on the collective collective yes That's the one that.

58:55Yeah. You thought that was a fortune. Well, in talks of A.J. Brown, he was like, are you focused on what A.J. Brown is doing? And he's like, I'm focused on the collective. So that's a no. That's a hard no that he gave to what A.J. The collective. Just keep your focus on the collective. The team, the team, the team. Max, good news, though. You're wearing some cool jerseys this weekend. Yeah, Kelly Green. Kelly Greens are back. That's a great point. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Can't lose to the Giants. At home in the Kelly Greens. everything's better in the Kelly like AJ Brown's gonna put on his uniform be like yeah this is awesome I love being an evil Goldberg Saquon's gonna go off the Kelly Greens they're 4-0 in the Kelly Greens since bringing them back the Giants on the other hand the big question with the Giants is how do you get off the mat after what happened on Sunday this is the test of can they keep moving in the right direction because it was a historical loss to the Broncos Jackson Dart and Cam Scadaboo have obviously been electric The Giants defense was good for three quarters.

59:55It was great for three quarters. Some questionable coaching. This is where it's less about the Giants losing the game because losses happen. It's more do the Giants players still trust that their coaching staff is putting them in the best spot to win because you had Dable Duke go pretty conservative in the fourth quarter on the offensive side. They did the rush three, drop eight at the end of the game. game so those are the the the thoughts that creep in or like hey are these guys doing the right things when you have a loss like that yeah after the game we saw brian burns going through the hallway just like screaming out i i think that that should be a a no cell phones policy in the tunnel right after a game although i kind of liked that he said it oh yeah i don't mind that he said it but then it got turned into like does he hate his coaching does he hate the team yes how mad is this guy mad i think that's fine for him to like any human being would do that but the fact that it was recorded i don't like that it was recorded let the boys have a little bit of a safe space right after a tough loss uh but he he clarified he said what i was referring to is the fact that we called it a call specifically to take away that play and the fact that nicks wasn't even trying to throw it to mems and it just so happened to be completed it was kind of like disbelief that is true like throw there's no way that we dropped eight and we still couldn't stop that ball yeah but bonix was not trying to throw to mims in that play yeah so he was he was not he said that he was not frustrated by the call itself by the play call but he was rather upset that they had the perfect play call and somehow it still worked yeah so max overall you feel good i feel i feel good ish i'm worried about i'm worried about cam jurgens our offensive line looked really bad after cam jurgens went out last week it looks like he's probably not going to play again this week and the Giants defensive line is very good.

1:01:44I would like to establish the run. And the way our offensive line looked after Juergens went down does not look like we're going to be able to do that. Can I push? Who knows? Maybe they'll make some adjustments in practice. I like saying like we got to establish the run. That's a good football. That's a great football thing to say. We just haven't been able to establish the run. But if you look at where Saquon's getting his best rushes, they're establishing the run. They're just not following through on the run. That's a good point. They're just abandoning the establishment of the run. Yeah. They're setting up like a temporary colony, and they're carving a name on a tree, and everyone's like, oh, a monster took over this colony.

1:02:21Where did it all go? They had 5.1 yards per carry with Saquon in the first quarter all season. That's the season total. Second quarter, 3.8 yards per carry. Third quarter, 3.4 yards per carry. Fourth quarter, 1.4 yards per carry. So it gets worse and worse and worse as the game goes on. I think you guys do a good job of establishing the run, but maybe you might have to wait to establish the run. Yeah, we have to be better at the run. Yeah, there we go. Establishing the run was probably the wrong term. By the way, this just idea, we have part of my cheesesteak. Do you think we could figure out a way to do football fortune cookies with part of my cheesesteak?

1:03:04Imagine if you get a fortune cookie and you open it up, it says make sure you establish the run. A fortune. Heat up the quarterback. What about a fortune cheesesteak? I don't know what that is. You just put paper in the middle. In the middle. A giant foot-long piece of paper in the middle. Dude, but fortune cookies that are just football cliches. Not the Jalen Hurts football cliches, but just, you know, you got to be able to win. You got to be able to rush forward and win. Yeah. You're going to have to pin your ears back today. Yeah. Dial something up. Don't forget to take the check down. Defense has to fly around out there We should do that I don't know how it would work But I'm down to sell football fortune cookies Why did cookies become the thing that you put a fortune in?

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1:06:52A video came out of him ordering food at a food truck down in Miami, I think. Okay. And we always say every year Lamar will miss three practices because his butt sucks. Yep. Because he's got some butt issues. This is the greasiest meal that I've ever seen. It looks delicious. Don't get me wrong. Was it a recent video? It's a recent video. Okay. Yeah. Because that's been happening to Caleb. There was a video of him going into a club in Miami, and people were like, wow, I can't believe he went to a club in Miami in the middle of the football season. I saw that with three models, right? six months ago yeah it was by the way awesome video very cool video but no this is a this is recent video he's getting the greasiest meal that you've ever seen it looks delicious it looks like something i would absolutely love to eat while i was really really stoned uh but lamar getting this just makes me a little bit worried about his butt as he's recovering i don't know that that stomach can handle what's going on but uh to me the real story of this game yep is the ping pong battle yep we're engaged we've got a a cold war of ping pong battles going on right now it's making me very nervous yeah the ravens removed their ping pong tables uh the pinball machine from the locker room it's time about that it's time to focus uh harbaugh said that it caught him off guard harbaugh said that he found out from the team equipment manager oh that they had been removed and they said that it was actually they said that the vets did it that the uh the players said hey this is time to take a stand it's time to get all the fun and games out of the vets are probably don't play losers i'm i have a hard and fast rule when a team removes a ping pong table from i mean that that means they're ready to win or if they add one or if they add one and then the what i didn't like so i was already nervous because the ravens removed the ping pong uh table from their facility what makes you really nervous is then the bears poked fun at it the bears did an ad read where i think it was uh tj edwards and tremaine admins playing ping pong playing all kinds of games.

1:08:50You can't poke at a team getting serious and removing a ping pong table. The old saying, you can't poke the Raven. Yeah. So I don't know where. I'm going into this game thinking the Ravens might kill the Bears. You've been saying that for a couple weeks. I've been saying it for a couple weeks. The gateway, everything I've said has been prophetic. It does look like the Ravens, we had every expectation for the Ravens. they got really injured they had to buy it makes sense that you would think that the ravens are going to come out and this is like the most desperate game that they have i'm praying i'm wrong but i've been i think i've been very level-headed about the bears this year that's mostly because ben johnson's the coach and that that was a big question because the bears are actually at the exact same spot they were last year four and two the difference is we have ben johnson as a coach and not matt dweber floose i'm very honest about the bears they are working their way into trying to become a good team they also are taking the ball away at an insane pace that will not be sustainable so what will it look like when they don't get a bunch of interceptions i think it was 15 takeaways in the last four games you can't expect that every single week so i'm coming into this game very nervous that it could be a whomping i'm hoping i'm wrong i'm hoping caleb plays his ass off the ravens have gotten healthier on defense cal hamilton roquan A bunch of guys back.

1:10:12Marlon Humphrey, I think, was sick, but he's back. I'm nervous about this game. I'm bracing. I'm basically going into this game in a fetal position, ready for the worst, hoping for the best. Something good could happen. Yeah. Cooper Rush could play. Yeah, and if you don't win, then you were just right all along. It makes you feel good about yourself. I'll probably take the Bears plus six and a half. This is a desperate team. This is the point in the season when you have desperate teams trying to win games and desperate teams. It's just a different animal. Is Cole Komet playing? I believe so. Although our injury report was extensive on Wednesday.

1:10:54Yeah. Extensive. So, yeah. If Cole Komet doesn't play, could that be a good thing? It could. We haven't been targeting a lot of tight ends, period. because I know there's a cold war going on about the Bears passing on Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren's been awesome. Tyler Warren has had 45 targets. Colson Loveland has had 13. So they're not being asked to do the same thing. I'm going to wait a little bit longer to say that that was a complete miss because when Colson Loveland has been asked to catch the ball, he's done some nice things. So, yeah. I don't think it would be a good thing. I'm not saying that, like, Cole Komet stinks.

1:11:29I'm just saying at least you know what you have in Colson. if you're forced to throw the ball to him a little bit. And this probably isn't the week for, like, let's see what we got in Colston-Leveland. Yeah. This is the week for... Run the football. This is all hands on deck. Run the football. They haven't been able to stop the run. Run the football. Also, Marlon Humphrey's sickness, he tweeted the day before he was out of practice for an illness. He said, should I do a glizzy taste tour around the country one day? 50 states, 50 glizzies. He definitely was eating a hot dog when he said that. He definitely got sick from it.

1:11:59Yeah, he's had some bad food takes recently. Has he? I like that he's out there making tea. I do, too. I do, too. But this is what he said on October 20th. I guess this was the day before the Glizzy Taste Test. Had to be said, but boneless wings are way better. I mean, they're chicken nuggets. I am not someone who goes against boneless wings, because I do think there's a time and place for boneless wings, but they're not better. Yeah, wings are not boneless. Wings have bones in them. But boneless. It's Big Nugget that's trying to make themselves seem like they're as cool as chicken wings. You'll never be as cool as chicken wings.

1:12:37Boneless buffalo wings, though, there is a time and place where it hits the spot. We're like, hey, I don't want to get messy. I don't want to have things in my teeth. I just want to have some buffalo sauce and some chicken in the easiest way possible. Still, bone in are better. Those are wings. It's the mocktail of chicken. It's like, yeah, it's different. Just call it juice. I'm having juice. Sometimes you'd rather a blowjob than sex. Yeah. You just sit back and just kind of sit there. You don't have to do anything. That's boneless wings. That's boneless wings? That's boneless wings. You sit back, you don't have to do anything.

1:13:07I think blowjobs are way better than boneless wings. Yeah, I'm just saying the analogy of like, you know, sex is awesome. When you eat wings, it's awesome. But you also got to do some work. You got to go bone in. You got to do some work. Yeah, you go bone in. You got to make some moves. Blowjob and boneless wings, you can kind of just sit back and enjoy. Yeah, especially you got like little ranch sauce. I'm a blue cheese guy I like ranch with boneless I like blue cheese with bone in Oh Switching up and switch back and forth That's where I go Do you guys think the Bears have a chance at this game?

1:13:43You're not hungry dog and Bears You are? I'm thinking about it The hungry dog is not set in stone It probably won't be until Saturday But the Bears are on the big board for sure It's a measuring stick game for the Bears All underdogs are in fairness But the Bears are one of them I will say if Lamar plays and plays well and the Bears somehow win this game, we might be moving on from six out of ten. The tough thing, though, is if you guys win this game, then the story is just going to be the Ravens are broken. Yeah. Like, it's time to stop leaving the Ravens. They're just not good. But, yeah, this is a big time.

1:14:17I guess we're going to see. We're going to learn a lot about the Chicago Bears this week. Yeah, I would agree. And I'm not going to overreact. If we get killed, it's like, okay, the Ravens are desperate and need to win every game, and they got healthy. So, and Ben Johnson, I trust Ben Johnson. That's where it's different than last year, where I don't think the wheels are just going to fall off. Did you guys see how much Ben Johnson clicks his pen during a game? No. It's crazy. Who trusts this? I don't know. Someone made a super cut of him clicking his pen. He's just clicking the whole time. I like it.

1:14:47Ben Johnson? Yeah, he's ready to go. There also is Wiener Circle did say that they will give free hot dogs to the entire city if Ben Johnson goes shirtless at any point during this season. I want to see him shirtless. I think he's a hot guy. He's jacked up, yeah. I think he's a good-looking dude, and I would like to see what he's working with. Can you play it? Sound?

1:15:08He's just clicking. Yeah. He's just clicking the whole time. I like that. He's got to just stay busy. You got to have something. You got to stay busy. Okay, next game. Speaking of desperate teams. so similar to what I just said about the Ravens I'm going to do the same thing or I'm not going to bet the Ravens but I have the same thoughts about the 49ers going to the Texans Texans minus one and a half over under I believe is hovering around 41 and a half let me just make sure 41 and a half Texans are desperate they need to win a game I smell a rat with this line yeah why? because it's making me want to bet the 49ers so badly oh see I like the Texans in this game not obviously not because of their offense Nico Collins might be out.

1:15:51Christian Kirk might be out. I don't know who they're going to throw to. They basically have a bunch of Iowa State guys they're going to throw to. I'm more going to bet the Texans because their defense is the best unit on the field. And the 49ers, Mac Jones looks good, but this is a different defense. This is a top defense. And so I think they could maybe find a way to win this game with their defense. And the 49ers continue to get injured. They obviously lost Fred Warner. They obviously lost Bosa. They now lost Huff. How are the 49ers going to take advantage of the Texans' weakness, which is their offensive line?

1:16:26Yeah, no, it's a fair point. And the Texans' offense that we just saw on Monday night, that's as bad as it can be, I think. And the fact that it was a national game, it was standalone, it made everybody really have to focus on the Texans' offense collectively for like two and a half hours. Right. And we have a very, very bad taste in our mouth for that. So that's what I'm thinking about when I see the 49ers who are – I think that they're like the best version of a super injured team that you could possibly be right now. Yeah. They might actually be the team that's going to get healthy at the right time.

1:16:56And I think that the Niners, is this the stat that every year that they're 5-2, they get to the Super Bowl? I know that they get to at least the NFC Championship game. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, at least the NFC Championship. Because they've lost a couple of those. They might. Obviously, with Fred Warner, that's an injury that's going to stick around for the entire season. but they've got some guys that will get healthy later on in the year. Brock Purdy soft benching? Soft benching. Soft benching? Is it the soft benching week? I think Mac Jones is in danger of being soft bench when Brock Purdy comes back.

1:17:27We'll see. If Mac Jones wins this game, are we sure the right guy is playing quarterback in the forefront? I'm not going to abandon Brock Purdy. I just want to do it so bad. Here's one thing I know about Big Cat. is he watches a fair amount of college football, but your takes in college football, it's really impossible to get your college football takes out of your head once those guys become professional football players. And so for the last three years, you've been thinking, yeah, but Brock, I saw a lot of Brock Purdy at Iowa State. I think he's a good quarterback. I'm just saying Mack Jones has been playing well.

1:18:03And is Brock Purdy a... He's good. He's good. You want to say system QB? No. Well, I mean, Mac Jones also. I think Kyle Shanahan is the common denominator in all of this. See, I think, because I've been looking at this situation for the last couple weeks, and I keep saying Brock Purdy, the knock against him is system QB. The knock against Mac Jones is game manager. So you've got a system QB. But he hasn't been game managing. Versus game manager, I feel like system QB is slightly higher in the hierarchy of quarterback tiers. But Mac Jones hasn't been game managing. They've been asking him to throw a decent amount.

1:18:43He's not – like, there's games. The game against the Rams, that was the opposite of game managing. Yeah, that was the only way that they – He threw it 49 times. He threw it 39 times against the Bucs. He threw it 41 times against the Cardinals. I don't think Mac Jones is a game manager. I think – here's my final answer. Both quarterbacks are fine. It's okay to be a system quarterback when Kyle Shanahan is a system. Yeah. I would put Brock Purdy still above Mack Jones. I would too, but the system rocks. That's a great system. Kyle Shanahan is a system coach. Just saying, Mack Jones has been playing pretty well.

1:19:17It's the last name. If you're a Shanahan, you know how to run an offense. Mack Jones has been playing pretty well. He's 4-1. 4-1 with the 49ers. I'm choosing to take a big-picture perspective about the 49ers, and I'm reluctantly believing in the 49ers this season. Yeah, no, I think they're a very good team, and if they can get healthy, they'll be definitely in the mix for the NFC. Tameko Ryan's coached against the Niners for the first time. Yep. Since he's become a head coach. That'll be fun. I don't think it's a revenge game, though. I feel like all of Kyle Shanahan's former defensive coordinators are on good terms because at some point you might have to come home.

1:19:53Yeah. Do you want to do a quick blind resume? Yeah. Last 17 starts, QB1, 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 87 passer rating. QB 2, 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 83.9 passer rating. I would take QB 1. Yeah. QB 1 is Bryce Young. QB 2 is CJ Stroud. I like that. I like that we're having a conversation. I like that we're having a conversation. Good blind resume. Yeah. I did not sell my Bryce coin. Nope. I held. You're in Bryce's. We might be going. I am a card carry member of Bryce's. We might be going to the moon. This feels like we're going to the moon. Yeah. And we had to listen to all, you know, how badly did the Panthers fuck up by taking Bryce over CJ?

1:20:38I never heard us talk about that on this show. No. But other people have. And now it's time for Bryce. Yeah. Okay. Afternoon games. We have the Bucs going to the Saints. Saints plus four and a half. How you feeling, Zach? How you feeling? You need a bounce back after that Monday night game, which was not a fun watch for Bucs fans. Over-unders, 46 and a half. I feel good about it. division game as beggars in the press conference earlier this week talking about how uh saints you know play a little not i'm not gonna say play dirty but play a little unnecessarily aggressive yeah he he said it hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we play him not much else to say besides the fact that i don't like him and i and i like when he goes into games with the grudge he plays well with the grudge this sounded like he found something to play for we need to bounce back let's bounce back real high yeah i'm gonna read the injury report from yesterday to you guys i want to get your feedback on this bucks quarterback baker mayfield was officially limited in practice today because of a knee injury backup quarterback teddy bridgewater parentheses teeth did not practice what's wrong with teddy's teeth did he get wisdom teeth removed maybe wisdom teeth removal maybe he went veneers new smile did he go grill he got a cavity I don't know, but that concerns me that your backup quarterback is missing practice.

1:22:00Oh, no. Schedule your dentist appointment outside of practice. He says, okay, so brutal teeth injury is what I just saw the headline. I'm trying to find exactly what happened. But you never want to see brutal teeth injury. I don't know if that was a joke. Teeth injuries are always some of the most unsettling injuries. They are, yeah. A hockey player wouldn't miss practice. A brutal teeth injury. That's fair. Yeah. Rare malady. Okay, here we go.

1:22:33Packup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater did not practice at all yesterday, just two days after he made his Bucs debut on Monday night, taking a knee to kill the clock. The reason the Bucs gave his teeth. And then do we have what? We don't have any. What happened to him? Yeah, what happened to his teeth? What's up with Teddy's teeth? I don't think there's an answer to his teeth. Bridgewater has some sort of dental issue that prevented him from taking snaps in a jocks and socks practice. Because this seems like... The fuck is that? What? Jocks and socks? Probably just like, you know, shells and shorts.

1:23:08But you can't schedule a dentist appointment like teeth cleaning during a practice. No. Right? Like if we were taking part of my take and Hank made a dentist appointment for Sunday night. It's like that's the one... Any other time of the week is fine. Infected root canal That's bad That's bad That's really bad So we had to get that shit drained That's really bad So he maybe went to a shady dentist Someone who could get Yeah anyone who could get him in the door Yeah Okay Let's see that mouth Teddy See I think the dental industry needs to be studied But that's for another time Go on Yes please Now is the perfect time It just feels like It just feels like the dentist You go in And you leave with more problems Than you had going in every time and i don't know it just and they pop up everywhere new you see a new building getting built you're like maybe that's a starbucks maybe that's a la quinta and no it's always a dentist office yeah i think zach's going off of a story i told him about the last time i went to the dentist i went in my teeth are feeling completely fine they said i had a couple cavities i walked out my teeth hurt my teeth hurt for a couple months and then i went back in and i was like hey i think something happened when you filled these cavities my teeth hurt and they're like nah they're fine And so Zach has been on the case about this.

1:24:24It's in their – he's your – Actually, no. He has that. He has that. Brother's keeper. Yes, yes. It is – it's in their best interest to keep you in pain, to keep you coming back. It is interesting. It is. Because I – they felt fine. I got cavities. Then they hurt. After they filled the cavities. How much candy did you eat? Just regular. Yeah, just regular. Which is too much because I am – Regular. The standard candy. Yeah, normal candy. The normal of like two to three candies a day. Yeah. Little ones, though. Yeah. No, it's on that two to three king size. Yeah. No, they try to take away your treats.

1:24:59Little ones don't even really count. Agreed. They're nothing. Yeah. They're fun size. They're just little. I kind of like the Saints in this game. Why? Division opponent at home, getting points. That's really it. Yeah. It's one of those games I don't want to think too hard about because if I think too hard about it, it's going to be like you're betting Spencer Rattler against Baker Mayfield. That was stupid. Yeah. So I'm just going to wash my brain of everything and just say, oh, it's a divisional game at home plus points. I miss Bucky. Yeah. Bring back Bucky. He also is looking kind of skinny.

1:25:32Bucky is? Yeah. I don't know. He's got a – did you see those pictures? No, I didn't see those. Light on his feet. Yeah. Maybe he's light on his feet. Find the Bucky pictures. He's looking a little – he looked a little skinny in a picture I saw. You just search Bucky skinny. I feel like that's not gonna Bucky Irving That doesn't look skinny He's jacked up He looked jacked up there There it is, that one That picture does make him look a little skinny I think it's a bad angle Taken from above I'm more concerned with Billy Eilish Choice of background music That he put on his Instagram story By the way, I did a bad job I skipped a game Is he trying to be the bad guy?

1:26:17Is that Bucky's not the bad guy Is Billy a bad girl That's one of her songs I knew that I'm the bad guy

1:26:28I did a bad job I skipped a game early So we gotta go backwards Bills and Panthers Yeah Panthers are plus 7.5 Josh Allen and the Bills Last time we saw them They did not look good On Monday Night Football Against the Falcons They had a bye week over-unders 46.5. Are we trusting the Panthers at home with Andy Dalton soft-benching Bryce Young? No, I'm not. I think this is going to be a good week for Josh Allen. I did see a crazy stat that went around earlier this week. Josh Allen passed touchdowns of 20-plus air yards. From 2020 to 2023, he had 27 of those passes. Tied for third in the NFL. Since 2024, so the last season and a half, he's had one, which is tied for 37th, meaning that there's, what, four or five backup quarterbacks that have more than one.

1:27:30So not necessarily a bad Josh Allen stat, but maybe a bad Bills wide receiver stat, maybe a bad Joe Brady stat. But if you're winning football games, it doesn't really matter, right? Yes. In fact, it might be better to just hang on to the football, go on long drives, and then score a touchdown. Yeah, then score that one. Then to score really fast. Yeah. But it's an interesting stat because, yeah, obviously you can point at that and be like, Diggs kind of made a difference in this offense. Having a guy that you trust to throw the ball downfield to does make a difference in terms of the explosiveness, which if you're playing from behind, you need that ability.

1:28:05But if you're playing with lead, not necessarily. Yeah. I'm so I want to take the Panthers But then I saw a story that Josh Allen's Grandmother called him and said I just want to See you smile He's gonna do it for grandma he's gonna smile For grandma yeah grandma grandma game The grandma narrative is very important If you're thinking about betting on Sunday Just just see who's checked in with their Grandmother at any point Because that feels important doesn't It feels very important like you You will do anything You will go to the ends of the earth to make Nana smile Mm-hmm. The last two times the Blue Jays have gone to the World Series, the Bills have gone to the Super Bowl.

1:28:43Oh, that's cool. How'd that end up? Good for the Blue Jays. Yeah, good for the Blue Jays. Joe Carter. Did you see, too, Dave Canales talking about Robert Hunt, his interior offensive lineman who's on the IR? He said, guys that believe that they heal fast, heal fast. It's true. Yeah. Power positive thinking. You got to say you're going to heal fast, then you heal fast. It's only a scratch, yeah. Fun stat about Sean McDermott. 8-0 after the bye. Okay. So that actually feels relevant. It feels relevant. And for whatever hot streak that the Panthers are on with the Meow Mix stuff, that is also very closely tied in with Bryce.

1:29:22Yeah. So I don't know. Andy Dalton, he could show up and look like Flacco. Or he could show up and look like Flacco. Yeah. The bad one. Jets Flacco. Yeah. I think the Panthers would be smart to not have Andy Dalton throw it very much in this game. Because the Bills, the spine of their defense is not good. They've been run on a lot. Maybe they fixed it in the bye. You have Rico Dowdle. Just run the ball. And if you're a Bills fan, I think this is a game you have to kind of treat it like a get-right game. Let's see something out of the boys. Let's get back on track. Yeah, I think this might be the weekend that the Bills defense looks alive.

1:29:57Okay. I think they start to turn it around. Andy Dalton could help that. And he could help that a lot. Very much help that. Okay, afternoon. We already talked about the Bucs and the Saints. Let's go Cowboys-Broncos. I'm excited for this game because the Cowboys are top five watch in the NFL right now because of their offense and how good it is. So Cowboys-Broncos. Broncos are three-and-a-half point favorites. Over-under is 50-and-a-half. I think we all already knew this, but Sean Payton really, really hates Russell Wilson. Yep. Really hates him. Yep. So he said this week. What was the exact quote?

1:30:36It was something like I just told Brian Dable, I hope that you don't make the switch. It was along the lines of I was hoping to not have to face Jackson Dart. Yeah. Because I think he's a really good quarterback. And Russ sucks. And then Russ saw that responded. It's not a secret that Russ sucks. Yeah. The fact that Russ fired back, though, that hurt. Do you think that was the time? Do you think Russ finally realized, oh, he didn't like me? no I think he's known but Russ has tried to be the good soldier afterwards and now that he's been she's I don't have anything left to play for yeah might as well but also Russ you have to know that you suck now yeah like it's been bad it's been really it's been very bad for the last two seasons and there's no chance that you think that you're still the old Russ Wilson oh he definitely does I don't think I think at this point him in his head he definitely thinks he's still the Russ I think at this point he knows.

1:31:26Guys like that? Guys like that? Russie knows. Guys like that, they still think it. By the way, I have a bet in this game I love. You ready for it? Longest field goal made over 53 and a half. I posted it. Yeah. Okay. Brandon Aubrey in mile high. I mean, they attempt a 70-yarder. What are the odds on that? It is minus 110. Yeah, I'm going to take that. Yeah. I'm going to hammer that one. Brandon Aubrey, he might kick from 75. That's what I'm saying. Let him try from 80. Might as well just fuck around and do it. I do kind of like the Cowboys. First round pick. He would be a first round pick if he makes an 80-yard field goal.

1:32:07I like the Cowboys in this game just because of the Broncos are just a fuck around team. They've been fucking around too much. So when you give me three and a half, I'll take it and be like, guess what? The Broncos are probably going to win, but they're going to fuck around. It's not going to be clean. They're going to fuck around. So, yeah, I kind of like the Cowboys in this game. Are they in the Hungry Dog? The Hungry Dog is not set. Okay. You keep asking that, and I keep saying it's not set. Well, I mean, we'd like it to be at least a little bit set for the people. Throw a couple names out there.

1:32:38We're doing a show. I've been saying the teams that I like, I don't like to pick on Thursday. Like, do you have your Sunday picks all locked in? Yeah, you literally make me do that on Advisors every single Wednesday morning. No, you pick five games, and that's for Advisors. No, you make me do that on Wednesday morning. The Cowboys are going to be part of it, though. Yeah. Bears. I like the Jets, but that one's hard to wrap your head around. I like the Giants, but there's this bias thinking that I only pick against the Eagles. That's not true, but I love the Giants. I like the Saints, but that one seems crazy.

1:33:11I like the Titans, but that seems crazy. I like the Cowboys. The Titans, will you do plus 14? I can tell you right now it's going to be Giants, Cowboys, Bears. That's what it's going to be. The Giants aren't beating the Eagles twice. That's not going to happen. That's just not going to happen. I agree with that. As much as I wanted to, I don't think it's going to. Yeah. But the Titans Jets would be the craziest hungry dog of all time. But that was my gut. I did bet it for a little bit myself, but I can't do that to the people. Titans? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Why? Exactly. Why? Exactly.

1:33:48Is there a good reason? Let me take it. Is there a reason? It's the NFL. Fair It is the NFL And Daniel Jones Everyone's out You know Daniel Jones MVP Colts Number one seed Like This happens every year We talk about it every year There's always these games Where They never should lose this game And somehow they do And it's like How the fuck You know When we're talking in Yes And also yes I have a question Yes Also yes So you're betting on the Titans For really I have not Said I'm betting on the Titans No reason whatsoever Wait can I finish my question This is slander No Let me finish my question Hank shut the fuck up and let me finish my question Shut the fuck up Turn his mic off I told him shut the fuck up Cut the man's mic off I just said I had a question I was called on I get to ask my question Speak facts correctly I did not slander I told you to shut the fuck up That's a statement it's a demand That's not what I was referencing Does the fact that you're betting You're and me?

1:34:50Yeah. That's what we're doing now? We didn't learn our lesson? Yeah. Okay. When else did he ant you? Oh, in the golf video that Hank and I had. We were playing for$6 ,000. It was a big match. The match, people were calling it. Where can people watch that? They can watch it on the part of my take YouTube. Yep. And great job with the editing on that. And then on the third hole, I believe. Shout out Pug. Shout out Pug. On the third hole, I was putting for par, putting for my four. And Hank, I believe, was sitting on a five or maybe a six. I think it was a six. Yeah, probably. And Hank, after I said I'm putting four, I've got two putts to win this, Hank goes, what are you hitting right now?

1:35:28I said a four. And Hank goes, eh. I, when I was in fact putting for my par. Okay, so you're hitting six? Yeah. Okay. So two putts to win it. What are you hitting? Four. Par. One. Two. Eh. What? Yeah, no, it's four. Went right there. Did he just buzzer me? He plugged that, and then he hit it onto the green. One. Yeah, okay. Yep. Two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1:36:03Call me a liar. Watching that, and I love Hank. He's one of, you know, outside of my immediate family, he is one of the people who's closest to me in life. We've been through a lot. I don't think I've ever hated him more than in that moment. I wanted to punch you through the screen That's when I texted you and was like It's tense Super tense I understand and I know that I'm not the most likable person That's not true I like you I think there's situations like a lot of situations Me and PFC play a lot of golf I would say 85 % of the time it's very fun We're having a good time It is a fun time I did propose playing for this much money But it's like yeah Like when we're playing for that much money, it's going to be a little more serious.

1:36:52And I'm probably going to come off like an asshole. But I don't really care because it's like we're playing for a lot of money. You were in psycho mode. The running over the ball thing. That was just funny. That's where it's like I also think people take me too seriously when it's like, yeah, no. You got to play it. You ran over it. That was just. But you wanted me to play. Yeah, obviously. But like. I did. Yeah, we took you too seriously. But also you meant it. Yes. Yeah. Listen, Hank, I was not upset. No, and that's, yeah. I know you weren't upset. Because I knew that Hank was, like, locked into a different zone.

1:37:23Hank was in, like, super competitive psycho mode. Which goes badly for me most of the time. But it's good for the viewers. It's great for the viewers. You care. Hank was actually, like, he was upset. He was pissed off. He was being a competitor. I was just there, like, this is fun. I'm having fun out here. But then when you were at me, that put me into just more of a state of disbelief. I was like, I can't believe that Hank called me a liar, that he did the sound effect. It was really the sound effect. If you had been like, are you sure? You sure you're putting four or four? Or is that a five?

1:37:54I would have talked it over with you, but you sounded a buzzer on me. Yeah, no, that was a mistake. Hand up. Left hand up. My bad. This golf video is a completely different vibe than any other one that we've ever done. Like, there was... It wasn't very funny. It was, like, real. It was, like... Hank really wanted to win that match. It was$6 ,000. Yeah, so we have... Part one came out on Wednesday. Who won that one? The listener will have to go watch. Go watch it. And then Friday. But PFT. And then there's a second part that comes out today. So that'll be out. If you're listening to this Friday morning, it'll be out sometime Friday afternoon.

1:38:39It's not like Hank played that poorly. Shut up. I just shot a 40. Yeah. No, you did. Didn't lose a ball. You sandbagged me. We'll talk about it, FireFest. No spoilers, though. No spoilers. Okay, back to my question for Hank. Yeah. We're talking about the Colts and the Titans. Hank is betting on the Tennessee Titans for some mysterious reason, but I think that I've cracked the reason why. Hank, is it because you do not want the Colts to get the one seed in the AFC because you think that the Patriots will get the one seed? and this is a key game to you guys retaining the one seed. It's not a key game because it's not a game that the Colts should lose, so I would not call it a key game.

1:39:13But as fans, there's only so much we can do to propel our teams to the promised land. And one of those things that I think I could do is just betting against my enemies at all states and facets so I can be happy if they do in fact lose. So, yes, there is a little bit of that. That's a lot of it. I'd say that's probably 100%. Would you say it's more or less than 100 % of the reason why? It's like, you know, Baker Mayfield played Monday Night Football. I love Baker, but then it's like, ooh, he's in the MVB conversations. I hope he doesn't play as well. Ooh, Colts are playing the Titans. They're obviously going to win, but what if they lose?

1:39:46What if they lose? It'd be fun to profit off that. Let's get on the ride. And also, point differential is one of the tiebreakers against common opponents. Yeah. And you guys just recently beat the Titans, 31-13. So the Colts are 14-point favorites. This is the last game in the afternoon. Titans at the Colts? You're going to do it? Colts are just good, man. They're just really good. I know you don't want it to be true. No, they are. But is Daniel Jones like he's good now? Is he a pumpkin? Is he a pumpkin? Yeah, it's about that time. He's good now. It's a rookie season. By the way, that actually, I saw a stat since 2015.

1:40:23The only other team to start 6-1 with a win total, gambling win total of 7.5 or under preseason. So expected to be a bad team was Daniel Jones in 2022 with the Giants. Good for him. So he's done it before. Good for him. They went to the playoffs. They won a playoff game in Minnesota. That's right. That was a wild game. Offensive TDs scored this season. Jonathan Taylor 11. The Las Vegas Raiders 10. The Tennessee Titans 6. 6 offensive touchdowns. Jonathan Taylor has 11. The Titans have 6. that's so depressing yeah it is depressing i do i do like cam ward's uh i saw a press conference where he asked he asked a reporter to repeat a play call and the reporter fucked it up and he's like you would have just got in cam ward's like you would have just gotten sacked so he's at least having fun with it i like that good for him like i like everything about cam ward except for how he's played football yes and the titans in general and the titans in general i liked him last year Yeah.

1:41:27I might like him again next year on the football field. But right now, he's checking every box that I want to see from a new quarterback, except for playing quarterback. Yep. He is, by the way, the Titans have last beat the Colts 1 ,096 days ago. That's a long time. It's a long time. That's a long time. Does it change this weekend, Hank? Probably not. Titans money line, though. Listen, it's not going to be the hungry dog, but I will probably be taking it personally. The Henry dog. Wait, that's a different bet. Yeah. The Henry dog. What's the Henry dog this week? I don't have him locked in, Big Cat.

1:42:09I don't. I don't. No, but the Henry dog is something different. Correct. The Henry dog is the Titans to win, the Panthers to win against the Bills. This is the Henry dog we're talking about now. I don't know. Chiefs to lose against the Commanders. I don't have an answer. You've got to get the Henry dog going. I will. I do every week. No, different than the hungry dog. It's for me. It's the bets that I make for Henry. Yeah. No, call me. Nope. Barstool draft, uh, draft King sportsbook app, parcel betting group. All my picks are posted. No, but it's a personal Henry dog is such a great bet. We don't publicize it.

1:42:42It's, it's something that you do just for the love of the game. Yeah. It's just like, yeah, it's, it's my heart. It's not, there's no, there's no like sound, you know, betting advice that I usually go off. It's wouldn't this be cool. Yeah. Henry dog just being Patrick Mahomes to throw three interceptions every week. the henry uh can we go back real quick to the cowboys broncos yeah because i there was there's a quote that i wanted to bring up to you guys that gets lost with everything that happens in the nfl sometimes we forget to look back to what's happened in the past back in the mid-2000s when sean payton was the quarterback coach underneath bill parcells for the dallas cowboys and by the way sean payton i think we all in this room thought that he would eventually become the the Dallas Cowboys head coach at some point.

1:43:24Yep. We basically expected it for years on years and years. We did. So back in 2004, Bill Parcells was the head coach, and he was talking about how things go in practice when you've got Sean Payton calling plays, going up against Mike Zimmer's defense, calling plays on defense. And he said, you've got to keep an eye on those two because they're going to try to get the upper hand, Bill Parcells said about Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer. Mike wants the defense to do well, and Sean he's going to have a few no disrespect for the Orientals but what we call yeah I remember this Jap plays yeah surprise thing sneak attacks it's the Jap plays from Sean no by the way no disrespect to the Orientals yeah but Jap plays he got it he he double offended yeah that's a great no that might be the number one no disrespect of all time he double offended okay let's talk about the last game by the way the Colts are gonna win right yeah yeah yeah Packers Steelers Sunday Night Football very excited for this Aaron Rodgers going up against his old team there actually was some good stories coming out this week about Aaron Rodgers being a really good teammate to Jordan Love did you see some of that I did not know there was basically there was a story an anecdote that was shared that uh the Aaron Rodgers implemented a fine system for Jordan Love when he wouldn't speak during meetings because Aaron Rodgers said that when he first got to Green Bay, he was in Brett Favre's QB room, and he felt too intimidated to ask questions or speak up.

1:44:56Okay. And he didn't want Jordan Love to deal with the same thing. So he basically was like, you have to speak up. You're part of the team. Pushing him along to be included more. Nice guy, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, finding his teammate. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, exactly. They probably got a pizza party or something. No, that's a good move. It's encouraging. I want to give you the confidence that you should have in yourself to talk. Yes. I like the Steelers in this game just because of Mike Tombo. I love the Steelers in this game because they just lost to the Bengals and everybody was on the Steelers last week.

1:45:31And now you're like, nothing could be worse for the Steelers. The defense stinks. Jalen Ramsey, don't know. Is he playing this week? I don't know. Do they want him to play? Yeah, yeah, they do. What happened against Jamar Chase? Yeah, they do. TJ Watt was kind of a non-factor last week. And this is just a classic Mike Tomlin. Nobody believes in us. Guess what? We're going to go out there and win games. That's what it feels like to me. And the Steelers are also wearing... I can't tell if these are the worst uniforms in sports or the best. Can we pull up the throwbacks that they're wearing on Sunday night?

1:46:09Worst. You think they're the worst? Disgusting. They look like bees, but they're not the bumblebee ones. No, yeah, these are worse. The vertical straight. It's like a combination if you're a bee who's in prison. It's going to be an ugly, ugly game. Pull up those throwback uniforms. Okay. Yeah, look at those. Oof. Oof. The khaki pants. Okay. Okay. The Packers did at least help out a little, and they're going all whites. Oh, they are? Yeah, because it would have been. I thought they were wearing the yellow helmets. No, it would have been very confusing if they went yellow helmet, yellow helmet. I'm still going to be confused.

1:46:46But, yeah, you'll be confused. You'll be like, which team is the Packers? But, thankfully, they didn't. Yellow helmets, yellow helmets would have been brutal. That would have been tough. And then Aaron Rodgers is playing for the team that's wearing the yellow uniform. It would be just very confusing. It's also tough when you go throwback for an older quarterback. It always looks weird. It's like, you know, throwbacks should be a younger quarterback thing. Did he used to wear these? Yeah. Oh, shit. He played in this era. I like the Steelers. I do. I like them a lot. I like the Steelers. I like the Steelers.

1:47:20And it's not because I'm scared of the Packers because the Packers are really good. You know the last time the Packers won in Pittsburgh? It was like 70s, right? 1970. Yeah. Jerry was trying to give me that stat like it meant anything. And then I kind of pretzled his brain because you could also say Aaron Rodgers play when the Packers play the Steelers in Pittsburgh. Aaron Rodgers is oh and two. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You now have the quarterback who wasn't able to win. Yeah. It's a in this match. It's a double bad stat. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know which way to go with that. Jerry is at the start of the week.

1:47:58He was all out on the Steelers. And that's when we time the market and we say, yeah, we're in on the Steelers. Oh, yeah. Always. Always. Jerry's a great. You can just go. I know the Steelers better than Jerry. And that's not Jerry's just too close to it. Whenever he thinks that the Steelers are a really good team, they're different. You go against them. And then he gets down. He says it's the same old team. Then you get back on Mike Tomlin. You know what he did last week to try to pump TJ up? What? He DMed him a Mike Tomlin locker room speech. I love that. But I was like, Jerry, TJ's going to tune that out.

1:48:31Well, not only that, but TJ was there. Yeah, you think TJ doesn't get that on a day-to-day? He's got enough Mike Tomlin. He heard it live in person. Yeah, it's like if somebody DMs me a video of Hank. Yeah. I say, I get it. I got it. Yeah, someone DMs you a video of him going, eh. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, we see it. Listen, I live it, buddy. We unfortunately see it all the time. Okay, should we do our TD parlay? And then we'll get Jerry's fantasy minute and do our best bets. the TD Parlay is brought to you by DraftKings football season just got even better Barstool is bringing you the game of the week every single week through the end of the regular season here's the deal every Friday we'll announce a game of the week from the Sunday slated game when the game of the week drops all you have to do is share a bet slip on the game with hashtag Barstool GOTW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of five$1 ,000 bonus bets that's right five lucky winners every single week of the season.

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1:50:04Do we know which one the game of the week is this year? I have a wild idea. What? Do we know which one's the game of the week? We don't. I assume it's probably going to be Cowboys, Broncos, but we'll let everyone know, and then you send us those slips. All right, what's your wild idea? Three tight ends. Yes. Okay. Do it. Jake Ferguson. Put Jake Ferguson. Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren, Jake Ferguson, PFT. Tyler Warren. I was just making sure that was the afternoon game as well. You go Knight. I'm thinking about Knight and the Steelers. The problem with the Steelers is they've got like four tight ends who score touchdowns.

1:50:44So then go Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft, 145. Get it set up, Max. Cowboys Broncos is Okay game of the week Okay Alright yeah You know what I'm gonna I'll go Tucker Craft Okay so we have Jake Ferguson Tyler Warren Tucker Craft Yep Tight ends Tight ends This is gonna be a juicy one Yeah We gotta hit one We've been cold Last week I think We got blanked all the way around I blame Amon Ra Well now that Amon Ra scored We've cleansed ourselves Yeah So we should be back What's the last one? Ferguson Craft and Tyler Warren. So who is... Is this me, you, and Hank? And Hank, yep. Max, soft benching? Yep. Soft benching, yeah.

1:51:2613-1. Let's just get to Sunday night. Yep. Let's find a way to get to Sunday night. Let's do it. Okay, we have Jerry's Fantasy Minute, then we'll do our best bets, and then we'll get to our interview with Zach Martin talking a little Cowboys offensive line play, Hall of Famer, Notre Dame. You got Jerry's Fantasy Minute? Here we go. I thought the music means. I thought the music means. I got one minute. Hey, what's up? Welcome to Fantasy Fuck Boys. Doing leg. Very important part of working out. Works out the whole body. We got some in-game-prone quarterbacks this weekend. So you can stream Joe Blacko.

1:52:07You can stream Michael Penix. That Miami D sucks. Tight ends are back. Dalton Kincaid is back. Also, this guy Godson from the Chargers. number one tight end down there also best looking tight end in the league better look at the Travis Kelsey this Monongue running back is about to be Coach Johnson's Nick's David Montgomery and you can stream the Falcons because the fuck Miami sucks that's it just getting in some leg reps super important I did it one minute fuck you PFT call 1-800-INJURY-PON Thumbs up, mommy. Thumbs up, mommy. Does he say stream when he's saying pick someone up? Yeah, stream them.

1:52:55Stream them. Stream. That's a common fantasy football term. Is it? Really? It's like streaming defenses. You change them every week. You can stream quarterbacks. It's like. I've never heard that. I've never heard that. Yeah. Huh. Damn, Jerry's deeper into fantasy than us. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's why he's our expert. That's a good thing. Yeah. Also, Jerry, what are you talking about with Jaden Daniels? You were the person at the start of the season that came on this show and said he was going to break every record known to man. This is not me. You should be saying that to yourself. You did a bad job.

1:53:27In fact, I blame Jerry for Jaden's injuries, for trying to live up to the expectations that Jerry set for him. I'd agree. It's disgusting. I'd agree. Thumbs up, Mommy. That was hurtful. Yeah, okay. Is that a crime now, telling your mom that you're okay? Yeah. mom wants to know yeah hey mom you're listening to the show right now i'm doing good yeah nothing weird about that mom i want to punch hank in the face because i keep thinking about that but we'll get through it and it wasn't even at me that's okay i'm i'm the beauty about that video is it happened so long ago that i i moved on past that yeah and now watching again i just thought it was now i'm gonna process it yeah you gotta process now i'm gonna process yeah okay best bets let's do it right now we are at i believe eight memes and i have eight points memes and i have eight points hank and max have seven points same with zach bullshit pft has six well this is the closest it's ever been yeah we're all just hovering it's anybody's game we're all hovering i went who's up first memes i think i've gotten one total right all year yeah that's tough i'll go falcons minus 7.5.

1:54:36Smart. Smart memes. I'm going to go Cowboys plus 3.5. Shit! You're a bitch. Sorry. You don't even like them. No, but I'd like them to cover 3.5. Okay. I would like to take Packers minus 3. PFT? I would like to take the Falcons-Dolphins over 44.5. Okay. I will take... Max really fucked me up. Sorry, sorry. Texans minus one and a half. I would like to take the Texans 49ers under 41 and a half and you know what fuck it give me the Titans plus 14 Love it. I like that. The Henry dog. No one took the Dolphins Falcons over 44 and a half. I just did. Oh, you just did. Okay. I'm an idiot. Good pick, though.

1:55:30Great pick. Love your pick. Great pick. Love that pick. Great pick, Paquette. I'll take the Giants Eagles over 43 and a half. Okay. That's a fun one. I don't like taking unders. Although I bodied memes on that under over off last week. Not that we're keeping record. Blind squirrel finds a nut. I mean, they could have played for eight corners, memes. Blind squirrel. Blind squirrel. Zach bodied me, too, in our over-under off. I had under in the Broncos-Giants, which was cruising until the fourth quarter. Yeah, that was a little short, like 90 points. All right, PFT. I'm going to take the Washington Commanders plus 12.5.

1:56:05Nice. Too many points. That's a lot of points. They pay these guys to play football, too. I would like to take the under in the Dolphins-Falcons game at 44.5. Okay. All right. So, Zach, we have an under-over off. We currently do as a stand, yes, sir. Okay. Yeah, as a stand. I will take the Titans-Colts over 47.5. Okay. And I will take the over in the Bears-Ravens 49.5. What if it's Cooper Rush? Don't matter. Yeah, it's going to be Lamar. Yeah, it's Lamar. It is going to be Lamar. Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interview with future Hall of Famer Zach Martin. Before we get to Zach Martin, he's brought to you by our great friends over at Twisted Tea.

1:56:48Twisted Tea wants you to know that it's Halloween weekend. We've got two weekends of Halloween, spooktober, and you know that you're thinking about your questionable costumes. Maybe you're going to the three parties, got football games. It's all going on at the same time, and there's only one thing that can hold it all together. That's Twisted Tea. That's right. Real brewed iced tea, 5 % alcohol, no carbonation. it's the drink that says yeah i can wear a costume and still win my bets whether you're tailgating dressed as a zombie or at a house party checking your team or maybe you're out on the golf course playing a spirited nine-hole competition against your dear good friend and co-worker and you just want to keep things loose nothing like an ice cold twisted tea to get you loose get you in a good mood nothing can ruin a halloween party like running out of drinks and the only thing scarier than a haunted house and an empty cooler is twisted tea Twisted tea Jump into Halloween with Twisted tea Your costume might be questionable But your drink shouldn't be So whether it's a kickoff or costume time Bring Twisted tea and keep it twisted All how a weekend long And now, here is Zach Martin Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest It is future Hall of Famer I know he doesn't like me saying that But it's this fact It's true It's Zach Martin Zach, we gotta say, by the way You don't know this but we met for the first time over Super Bowl in New Orleans.

1:58:13And I got to say, like, it's very rare at this point. We've been doing this for a long time where, like, if someone says they listen, I'm like, oh, my God, that's so awesome. But when you told me in PFT that you listened to part of my take and, you know, you follow Barstool, I was like, holy shit, that's the coolest thing ever. No, I mean, this is, like, surreal for me because I did play pro football for over 10 years, but coming to the office today and meeting some of the people that I've watched for so long, it is pretty cool. I'm a little nervous. Yeah, you know everyone. This is my favorite part of the job is when we have someone who's a future Hall of Famer, like big time, played in the NFL, and they're also fans of like, they're like, oh, there's Jersey Jerry.

1:58:49You walked in, I was like, Max the Eagles. He's like, oh, I know. Oh, yeah. I love listening to Max blow up on Sunday. Yeah, he loves the freak outs. That's fake news. I don't have much over the Eagles, but I can't enjoy a Max freak out. Max said at the start of the season, he's not going to get mad, and he's lived up to that promise. And my guy Zach back there, looking forward to Zach. Zach, that's a great addition. Zach on Zach. The Zach attack. How do you spell it, Zach? I'm a Z-A-C guy. What about yourself? I'm a Z-A-C-K. Okay. Awesome. And that was our first episode of Zach on Zach. Zach attack.

1:59:21We got an H we can involve here? No, I don't think so. Zach's with H's? Yeah. Is there somebody that you saw just walking around the office and you're like, oh, holy shit, I can't believe that's white boy Rick. I may have seen Nikki Smokes pumping some iron out there. Yeah, working hard. Yeah. Got to chop it up with Kadic. You know, we got some ideas bouncing around already, so you never know. Yeah. Kadic is legitimately obsessed with you. He loves you. Yeah. But, I mean, it's a testament to how good you were for how long. Like, as a Commanders fan myself, I don't like the Dallas Cowboys, but you were a fucking really good football player, and I liked watching you play.

1:59:54So it's a pleasure to have you here. I appreciate that, man. Thanks for having me. And so I said future Hall of Famer. You are a future Hall of Famer. You're going to be in the Hall of Fame, probably first ballot. But it was seven first-team All-Pros, nine Pro Bowls. But I have to ask, of all the accomplishments, where does winning the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl rank? That's crazy. You won the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl. You're an offensive lineman. How did that happen, and do you have the MVP trophy? Well, how it happened is we played a disgusting game versus Rutgers, and Tommy Reese, their quarterback, He had a bunch of yards but no touchdowns.

2:00:34Our running back had no yards and a couple touchdowns. And I think they were just like, all right, this guy's the highest draft eligible guy. I do not have it anymore. It is at the bottom of a lake. Not intentionally. We have a lake house, or my wife's family does, and we were on the boat one night. And somehow it made its way on the boat. No. Who took it out there? What was it doing on the boat? It's a mystery. We've got to find this trophy. It's not a big lake either. It's a small lake. I mean, if we had a team, we'd go out and hit it for sure. We're in. You know, my good buddy Pat got me a magnet fishing kit last year.

2:01:07Yeah. I could get on a boat and go out there and just – if you show me the spot, we can pull that thing up. It's not a big lake. I'm telling you, it's like three miles around. We can make it work. Finding Zach Martin's Pinstripe MVP trophy would be such a funny video. That would be a great video. Oh, my God. Yeah, but that was a good send-off there from Notre Dame. Yeah. All right, so you retired this last offseason. Has there been moments where you're like, fuck, I wish I was playing one more year, or it was the perfect time? It was the perfect time. I really haven't had any. Maybe the first, when they played Philly to start the year, and just the start of the game, the heart was pumping.

2:01:43You know how that place is when you go on a night game. So maybe a little bit then, but really haven't had any of those feelings. It was kind of a perfect ending there. My contract was up, and I was ready to be done. Yeah, and you look great. You've lost a lot of weight from even the Super Bowl. Yeah. 50 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty sick. Yeah. I was a big fan of your retirement letter that you wrote, the open letter. Yeah. Famously in that letter, you said that the thing that your son was going to miss the most was hanging out with CeeDee Lamb. Yep. Yep. But you told him, hey, buddy, we can go visit CeeDee when we want.

2:02:16We can go visit him. Has he seen CeeDee since you've retired? Since I've retired, I don't know if he's seen him since we've retired, but he was very excited last week when C was back in the lineup. Yeah. Had a big score versus commanders. He was juiced up about that. I love that story. What is it about C that your son was like, I love that guy? I just think, I mean, he's just a playmaker, right? He's the one making all the plays. And so I'd come home and he'd make sure I was all right. But he'd be like, oh, how about that C catch? Or how about that C touchdown? It was cool that my last game down there, I was injured.

2:02:45And so was C.D. But before the game, my kids got to come down the field. And I brought C.D. over. And C.D. and Charlie got a picture on the field on my last game. That's awesome. That's very cool. Yeah. Yeah, so Notre Dame, Cowboys, what's it like being a douchebag? Very similar. Very similar. Fan base is everything. A lot of eyes on us at all times. There's a blessing and a curse. Yeah. There's good things that come with it, but there's some stuff that people don't talk about that sucks at times. Yeah, does it feel different? Obviously, your whole career was at the Cowboys, but does it feel different knowing you guys are going to be talked about more than any other team?

2:03:21You're going to be judged more than any other team and how to deal with that. Where not no offense to like the Jaguars or the Cardinals, but they're just there's just not the spotlight on them. Yeah, it was really more. I feel like like the years we weren't great and it's like, oh, they're still talking. Why are they talking about us? We're five and eight right now. Right. But I think it just kind of comes with it. Obviously, what Jerry's built down there and the success that the Cowboys have had in their in their history. It's just going to come with it and you just got to take it and not, you know, it's cliche.

2:03:51but not live in the comment section and do your thing. Yeah. What was it like for you as a listener to the show when Hank became a fan of the Dallas Cowboys briefly? You know, it was nice because Hank's had a lot of luck in his fandom. That's true. Yeah, yeah. I was hoping maybe he could bring a little of that to us. What do you got, Max? You put the mic closer. Oh. That's good producing, Max. Yeah, great job, Max. Keep this all in. All the people that think that Max – He's going to leave me hanging. All he does is presses record, then presses stop. No, he gets off his ass. Yeah, he gets up. He puts this closer.

2:04:28Zach, just talk Zach real quick, so we have another Zach talking. Yeah, we can go Zach for Zach. As of right now, we're just getting a couple things adjusted. Everybody's a good combo so far. I'm enjoying the riff. I like that. It's almost like you're doing a review of the podcast. Like during the podcast. Okay, so I have a couple people I got to ask you about that you could tell us how we got it wrong okay brian kelly how do we have it wrong oh man you're killing me here he's a good football coach good football coach i would say i'm not overly close with coach kelly um obviously i play with him but i you know i have not talked to him a lot since i left there but he does do something right because i mean lsu hasn't really come around i guess fully yet but the guy wins where yeah i think he does a great job he can manage the program right like notre dame for example it's it's a lot more than just being a football coach there's a lot of you know a lot of bullshit you got to put up with and i think he did that well and i think he hires well i think he does a good job of going out and um getting good coordinators good position coaches and um but yeah he does something right yeah he does here i can't put my finger on it necessarily but he does definitely has something uh right in the formula yeah all right i'll ask you an easy question in between the the about people in detail i need like as much time as you want to talk about it, as much detail as you want to go, if you want to do the next hour on it, I need a step-by-step, play-by-play, second-by-second of the Mike McCarthy Watermelon Smash.

2:05:57Okay. We were in Minnesota. Okay. Minnesota game. Yeah. I believe it was a Sunday night game in Minnesota. Yep. We were bad. It was COVID year. We were in the – so when you do the night for the hotel, you're in the big ballroom for dinner, and then you kind of, you know, five minutes before the meeting, everyone kind of moses over to the big ballroom where they have, you know, screens set up, all the chairs for guys. And they had a stage this time, which normally that wasn't a normal stage. And then he had like the picnic table, you know, like the plastic, whatever, on the picnic table was like laid out all over the stage.

2:06:29I forget what his message was, but it was something about, you know, smashing whatever we've done now and, you know, move forward. But he just started smashing watermelon, spraying all over us. He was wailing on the watermelon? Yeah, he was. And I think he was bringing people up. I don't think I got a swing on the watermelon, but I do believe he was bringing either other coaches or certain players up to. So the watermelon was a metaphor for the season. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah. I didn't think about that. I thought he was just doing like Gallagher, the old comedian that used to smash watermelons.

2:06:57I don't think so. I think it was more like. I don't know. He was looking for something to get us. Get us into it. But it worked. We won. No, you won that. Because this was – I want to say that I not only bet the Vikings, but I think I was still in my Survivor League for a lot of money. I had the Vikings. And afterwards, when it came out, I was like, this is such bullshit. If I had known this was a watermelon smashing game, I never would have bet against the Cowboys. Yeah, no, I guess it did work. So, yeah, did you guys all walk out of that meeting being like, now we're going to go be the greatest team ever?

2:07:31I don't know. I mean, at least gave us a little conversation when we go get ice cream before we go to bed. at the ice cream stand. Listen, watermelon smash, it fucked me up bad. I lost a lot on that. You've got to know when a team's about to smash a watermelon. Yeah, you've got to know it. That's important information that the books don't put out. Was he a big prop guy in those meetings, or was that the one time? No, he would do props. He grew up, his dad was a bar owner. So I remember one time he had the bar props, and he was doing something with it, uh you know like the towel and like the shaker and all that uh i like that i forget what the message was but uh now he'd use props every once in a while so um we got to ask you a little bit about jerry jones we want to have him on the podcast so i want to drink johnny walker on the bus with jerry i want to hang out with him just let the man talk yeah he's a fascinating love him or hate him he is a very interesting guy successful beyond all your wildest dreams like he is he's done everything uh and he's still like the centerpiece of that team uh what was it like meeting him for the first time um i met him on my i remember i went down to a visit before i got drafted they do like the um uh like pre-draft visits or whatever um and it was just like a real quick like five minutes like he wasn't doing a lot of the uh like deep diving questions uh and then kind of over my career i obviously had uh interaction with him he's great always you know treated me great but then my contract stuff came up a couple years ago that's when i you know i had started having one-on-one conversations with them yeah uh got to know him a little bit better and um got closer with him but yeah it was cool to kind of sit it was just us in the room several times we're sitting talking through uh our contracts and um kind of have to like pinch yourself you're like dude i was just like negotiating with this you know oil tycoon billionaire yeah um but yeah that was cool man he takes care of us uh obviously he's uh you know he's got the business thing going going heavy but the dude wants to win um there's no mistake about it he does want to win i think uh you know he the business side of it pays the bills so he puts a lot of time into it yeah did he uh did do you have a an agent at the time i did i did uh go ahead are you leading in i was curious like i i've been involved in a little bit of the negotiation agent thing not not to like the extent that you have obviously but i could imagine that your agent might be upset that you're meeting face to face with a guy and that's kind of his job.

2:09:59Yeah. I was in a little bit of a different circumstance cause it was my, my second, you know, when I did my first deal, my agent was obviously very involved. This was kind of at the end of my career. I had a few years left. You know, I was trying to get a little extra on the backend and, and in my mind I thought it was pretty cut and dry. So, and that's how Jerry, I mean, you've obviously seen it in the Micah stuff. Like he likes to have those meetings with players and, you know, I think he likes to get us one-on-one. I mean, obviously, why wouldn't you guys that don't have much experience? But he takes care of you, and we came to an agreement between the two of us that I was happy with, he was happy with, and it all worked out.

2:10:35Yeah. He seems like he could be fun to play for if you were one of his guys. Yeah, when you're rolling, I mean, it's tough to beat. It's those dog days when you're losing three, four in a row, and everyone's on edge at all times around the facility. But when things are rolling down there, it's great. Yeah, if you're in a losing streak and he lands in the helicopter or on the practice field you're like oh i see you gotta you gotta exit the practice field when it comes down yeah off that so this is we're in week eight right now uh i'm a big believer this is like the window where there's you can pick out maybe some desperate teams do you is that a real thing where it's like human nature definitely takes over where if hey if you're winning maybe you don't you're not as pushing as hard but when you get to that point in the season where it's like we have to win the desperation comes out and you get a better effort um yeah I think it would be I mean I think it'd be dumb to say if people were like hey we don't let this stuff slide in like it does it happens when you're on a roll like at some point you know you have a let like we've had uh 21 22 23 and we were rolling we kind of limped into the playoffs and I think that was kind of our downfall but same thing we won eight or nine games in a roll but you start letting little stuff creep in and it just piles up and unfortunately for us it was like it piled up at the worst times yeah yeah because i think that human nature part of like pro sports is always interesting to me because we think of it oh they're pros every week's gonna be the same it's like no they're still just regular human being well and also like the uh the discrepancy like the teams are not that different talent right like everyone's really good so you you catch a team that's like oh yeah we should kill these guys it's like well yeah have you seen their defense aligned though like we're in for a fucking meat grinder right you know so uh even the teams that aren't record-wise great when you look on tape you're like damn they got this guy they got this guy so you got to be on it every week yeah it was such a thin margin we've said a lot of things on the show about dak prescott um you might say we complimented him at times uh when we called him the 17th best quarterback you might say we insulted him by calling him the 17th best quarterback um you played alongside dak for many years can you tell us why we're wrong about dak i wish that dak could come back on here and do the interview had a lot to do with that yeah i honestly and this is like nothing against you guys but like i i don't think he knew like you guys at all when he came on the interview which was fair because it was early on yeah and i don't think he knew like the shtick or anything yeah i listened to it and knowing him i'm sure he's just like what the fuck are these guys asking yeah so i think if you had him on now would be a lot different do you think he'd be open to coming back on you think he doesn't like us you guys have helped the chance no probably not definitely not well we have said that we've we said this season that oh he's playing awesome oh yeah he should be in the definitely in the mvp conversation if not leading well and i also want to come back because he's like he is the best like he is the absolute best he would you would love him if you if he got to sit down here and just just shoot the shit and he knew kind of what was going on but he is guys in that building play for that guy yeah telling you i would love to have him do the hard count yeah here we go yeah has he always done the here we go no that changed um they actually we put that in because so we got a new when mccarthy came in it was all about like get off the ball get off the ball we're trying to fly off the ball well then people started jumping the snap count and it just kind of became it just didn't look fluid some guys were getting off so then that's when we added uh yep here we go to like, all right, everyone get ready, and then everyone try to get off at the same time.

2:14:02That's why they added that, because everything got kind of screwed up when guys were getting off at wrong times. Let's do it. You know what? Let's heal real quick. Let's all say something nice about Dak. Okay. Please. Okay? Max, memes, Zach, can we all say something nice about Dak? Memes, you want to start? Say something nice about Dak Prescott. This is going to get him back on the show, because I would like to have him. He's a father. There we go. He's a father. Had sex. Yep. I would like Zach to go first. Okay. One day I'll scroll on Instagram, beautiful home. Okay. Okay. All right. Max? I don't know if I can.

2:14:37Come on, Max. Like, it is in my soul to hate Dak. Just say something. All right, I'll go. I like, I'm a bigger fan of Dak Prescott than I am of Brian Kelly. That's huge. That's big. That's massive. Right? That's big. Yeah. he is by far the most handsome how tall is he 6 '3 right maybe by 6 '2 6 '3 6 '3 he's by far the most handsome 6 '3 Mississippi State alumni that I know there's no close second Max come on Max he's got a lot of philanthropy work for the kids he's good he's good go with the kids i do think it's like we that was an early on interview that we did with dac and i would like to have him on again i think it also there was there was another time maybe a year or two after that we were supposed to have him on in a super bowl week and something fell through and we were just like ah fuck this guy so but we he's an awesome quarterback we like to i think it's also the cowboys thing whoever the quarterback of the cowboys is you're gonna make fun of that's though in like my opinion the most impressive part about him like the amount of shit that he has to go through yeah and like the amount of things that are on his shoulders it i mean if people knew the amount of shit he has to deal with oh i'm sure it's it's ridiculous yeah yeah i i can imagine that it's like it's not something that they prepare you for in college yeah right right like you get to the league all of a sudden you're the quarterback of the when he got thrown in there like a week before the season too yeah you know yeah and to be to be able to handle it without any major public missteps is pretty impressive.

2:16:14And wait, so wait, how many years? What year was that? Were you? 2016. So I had Romo for three years, but really only. And that's another guy we speak very highly of. I had Romo for really just my rookie year. It might really be an us thing when I'm playing it out. So is Romo your rookie year? Romo my rookie year. He was 15. He played four games and did his collarbone twice. and then my third year was the year that he got hurt in preseason and dad came in yeah yeah that is tough to be thrown in at the last second yeah you ever play golf with him with romo i've never played with him now but i got a funny story so we went to uh uh my brother-in-law has played in the tahoe event awesome few years you gotta play in it and i we're trying to i'm gonna try to i would love to yeah uh maybe this can springboard my invite um because we used to go out there with all our buddies like three years he played and rent a house and it was unbelievable your brother-in-law tyler eifert yes yeah yeah did he did he throw your trophy into a lake it wasn't him no no that's definitely something tyler would do it would definitely is something yes very yeah checks out um but we were at the tahoe deal and romo was playing in it and so like we ran into him and he was like why why are you here and i'm like oh my brother-in-law's playing whatever so then the rest of the weekend anytime we were walking and we were by romo my buddies would like scream out romo and he'd turn and see me so it just looked like i was following tony around the entire weekend so like i'd walk up and be like robo and he'd turn around be like oh that's great yeah i mean he that the tahoe is the best we got to get you in yeah it's great we got it how's your golf game uh it's trending yeah i've been playing a lot that's i'm like there wasn't a direction you just said trending well it's good i mean uh i played a lot this summer okay a lot i'm like a 10 oh that's pretty good yeah yeah so i'm i'm respectable i'm gonna steal that though if someone ever whenever someone asks me i'm just say trending yeah not saying which direction but it is trending uh you had in your entire career 11 seasons the nfl you only had seven holding calls is that correct that were accepted yeah accepted yeah yeah how many times you think you actually held uh i bet there's probably i don't know four or five that were declined like on third down maybe that's crazy yeah seven yeah dude i can you remember all seven no but i do remember some like i had a bad one in pittsburgh one year in 2016 um that i that wasn't a hole but they called it on me um oh so it wasn't even that doesn't even catch so now we're down to six what they called it on me yeah yeah um but no i can't remember all of them i think what big cat was getting at like how many times did you hold and get away with it yeah a lot a lot and i think i i had i have a good I feel like I had a good understanding of what is a hold.

2:18:56Like if the ball is on the other side of the field and you're holding, they're not going to call it. It's really when the ball is passing you. So if you've got a play that's coming right behind you and you start feeling your guy fall off, you either have to let go or get yourself in position. So I think I was smart enough to, one, let go. And then that was kind of like I would say if someone asked me, what was your best attribute, I could just get out of terrible situations. I could be in these funky body situations. It looks like I'm beat. and I could just kind of, I don't know, naturally just kind of get my body in front of a guy.

2:19:24And I think that helped with the holding penalties. Yeah. Who is the toughest guy you went up or the guy who gave you the most problems? Well, I like to take Donald out of it. Okay. That's like an obvious. What is it? Let's talk about Aaron Donald though for a second. What is it? Is it just, is his strength just that? Can you notice his strength versus other guys? Oh, yeah. And it's his like, not only is he freakishly strong, he's got, he's not a huge guy. Right. I know you guys have interviewed him. like he's maybe six foot yeah you know so he's got a lot of natural leverage and then he's got every you know he's got moves he's got speed he's explosive he he's like the only guy that like you really at least i was like staying up the night before the game like damn yeah it's gonna be this is gonna suck yeah like this dude can make me look dumb at any moment yeah you know uh but if if you take him out of it uh fletcher that's like my that would be like my kind of um I think we played against each other 20 times.

2:20:17So Fletcher Cox was definitely the guy that I kind of respected the most and had, like, the best battles with. Who was the, outside of Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox, who was, like, the most country strong? Or, like, the strength that you're, like, holding. So maybe not the best player because they might not have the speed to match it or the moves, but when they got their hands on you, you're like, oh, fuck. Dexter Lawrence. I mean, he's really good, but he's one of those guys that, like, puts his hands on you. You're like, God. uh jeffrey simmons another guy that like yeah hands on him domic and sue yeah i can't leave sue out i had like he got after me pretty good early in my career i played him i think i played him every team he was at but uh sue would be that another one i played him detroit when he was rolling played in miami got him we put him in the playoffs when you were at the rams so yeah he's definitely in that mix for sure yeah did you ever have uh is there like one block that you made that stands out to you like that that was the best pancake of all time um Not at the top of my head.

2:21:15No, but sometimes this is like a small O-line thing, which my guy Kadek, he would understand. Kadek is probably outside the door right now. But any time you get a slide away from you, so the center's going away from you, and you're like, man, one-on-one in a third down versus an elite rusher, if you stone a guy in those situations, it gives you like, damn, that was pretty good. That feels good. Yeah, there was room on both sides of me, and he could have gotten either way, and I held up there. So a lot of double teams with Travis Frederick. A lot of double teams with Travis Frederick that come to mind, but not one specific.

2:21:49Yeah. Did you enjoy pass blocking? Because we've talked to a lot of offensive linemen that are like, I can't stand pass blocking. Like, I just want to get out in space. I want to hit somebody. No, I mean, you want to run the ball. I mean, it just makes everything so much easier for O-linemen. Because then it slows the D-linemen down. They've got to think about the run. They're getting chewed out on the sideline for getting it shoved up their ass. It's just you got to run the ball effectively, I think, to be a top offense. You got to have some aspect of running the football. Yeah. What was – walk us through the play against the 49ers in the playoffs.

2:22:24Where were you lined up for that play? I was out wide at receiver. Me and Tyron Smith were out wide. I still don't understand that play. Well, the play – I actually was just talking about this a couple weeks ago. So the play was supposed to be like Zeke snaps the ball, and then we do like a hook and ladder, but Zeke's like the guy that's going to get the lateral, but he's kind of hiding at center, knowing, oh, we're not thinking of him. Right. Well, San Fran just came out and put Greenlaw over top of him and just bull rushed him into the ground, and then the play was dead. So a tough way to go out.

2:22:56Yeah. When that happened, you're like, oh, man, that was a tough one to watch because everyone was just watching it being like, what is happening right now? Well, that was salt on the wound, too, because the Niners had bounced us two years in a row. Yeah. And kind of got after us, too, for two years in a row. So that was just kind of a little extra salt on the wound on that one. Can you walk us through the other play against the Niners? Was that the one where you tried to clock the ball? Yeah, I stand by that one because I really think we practiced that play a lot. And we had time. You know, now that we coach that play, we talk about how the left guard's got to move and give space for the ref to get through after that play.

2:23:39But I still think that if he didn't get hit by the official, we could have clocked it and had time. I'm not saying we would have won the game, but I think we would have had at least a second on the clock. Well, those always suck because the game's ending that way, right? Yeah, terrible, right? In playoff games, that was like one of the years where you think you have a chance, and everything gets ripped out and you're done. Yeah, I went to the Rose Bowl when Wisconsin played Oregon and it ended on Russell Wilson not being able to clock it. It's like, well, that was the most unsatisfying way to end a game ever.

2:24:10I know, and it's like the walk out of the stadium and it's like, damn, I should have just left earlier. Yeah, right, right, right. We got the play with Zeke at center. See, I'm on top of the screen up there. Okay. Now, were you running a route? Yeah, were you ready to go? I was kind of like the – we were just kind of like trailing behind, ready for pitches, and then – you guys literally just stood up all the big guys are just not there but look look see like we didn't anticipate them just bull rushing zeke yeah yeah that one did it work in practice on air it looked pretty good the one flaw in the plan was yeah our center can't block yeah yeah yeah that's a problem uh how cool is it coming out of the tunnel at notre dame and hitting the sign and you know Like, is it as cool?

2:24:56Because Notre Dame, people give shit to Notre Dame because I think there's a jealousy factor. They are. I always love when Notre Dame's in the mix. It makes college football more fun. Yeah. It does feel like if you are a Notre Dame fan or a Notre Dame player, like, you don't have to explain yourself. It is just special. It is. And it's just, I took, two weeks ago, Notre Dame played Boise. And I had a couple teammates that were Boise guys. And they flew up. And we went to the game. And I got to kind of, you know, show them all around. And even they were like, where are we right now? Yeah. I mean, like, you got to be there.

2:25:26You got to experience game day there to give it justice. I mean, it's a special place with a lot of tradition. And I got to take my son there this summer. I took my oldest. One day this summer we rode up. We went around the stadium, and he got to go down and hit the sign. It was pretty cool. That is awesome. How cool was that being a part of a team that went to the national championship at Notre Dame? I feel like that's special. It was. And, like, also kind of, like, turning. I feel like when we were there, we kind of turned it around a little bit. Like Notre Dame, we'd been struggling there for a while.

2:25:56My first year was Weiss's last year. So we were 6-6. We didn't go to a bowl game. We're kind of in turmoil. And then to be a part of kind of that rebuild, especially in the O-line room. Notre Dame's got a ton of O-line tradition. We had a coach, Harry Heastan. I know he's a Chicago guy. He kind of came back, and we kind of instilled that tradition back in, and it's still going today, which is cool to see. You've had a lot of great offensive linemen. Yeah. Like Mike McGlinchey, Quentin Nelson. Ronnie Stanley. Yeah, you guys are just – And tight ends, too. I feel like the tight ends are popping.

2:26:27We had a good thing. When Coach Easton was at Notre Dame, I think he had like five or six first-rounders in like eight years. So we had a cook in there with him. Yeah. I got a question about Charlie Weiss, Big Cat. Yeah. Are you thinking the same thing? Yeah, yeah. No, of course. We have to ask everyone. Charlie Weiss, did you ever get a chance to meet his parrot? his bird i never read his pair but this i'm not lying he texted me yesterday yeah about about solfuego just like out of the blue like hey i was thinking about you like hope you and your family are doing well that's nice oh man that's cool he's a good guy yeah yeah i mean but the stories of of his bird that just like free range flies around the house yeah i never i never saw the bird like people ask me about weiss all the time and that was uh it was i was redshirt that year too so i didn't really remember like he was there for maybe four or five months and then and then was out of there so i don't even really remember my wife's time all that much yeah yeah when you were uh when you're just getting started at notre dame did you have any intention of playing any other position or were you switched your position you're like okay you're gonna grow here um well i played so i've only ever played o-line d-line i've never touched the ball at any level of football um that's like my son plays flag football and he's like was asking questions like buddy you've touched the ball more than i have you've never like thought a pass never ever i was o-lineman from third grade.

2:27:42We asked Joe Thomas this. You played 11 years in the NFL. How many times do you think you actually touched the football? How many seconds? A couple of random fumble recoveries. I don't know. Live action total of like eight seconds maybe. Have you ever run with it? You ever pick it up and take a few steps? Because Joe said that he guessed like 20 seconds. There was one time he picked it up and took like three steps. I always jump, cradle it up, getting the fetal yeah yeah is that crazy all-fame career just didn't touch the football now and and playing guard too like when you play tackle like you can kind of hide when you're running like some of the goal line trick stuff like we had some offensive tackles that cut touchdown passes when i was there but guard it's like if i'm not lining up at guard it's like you know bells and whistles on the defense like why is he not at guard right now yeah yeah that that would be uh it'd be something i would if i were in your position maybe at the end of my career i'd be like hey we got we We got to get me the ball.

2:28:39Yeah. Just one time. When Kellen was in Dallas, we talked about it a little bit, trying to make it work, but it never did. Oh, man. All right, tough question, but I think I'm going to phrase it correctly. The national championship when you guys went and played against Alabama, obviously there was the Manti-Tario story that year. Do you remember, was there a moment in the locker room where someone finally broke the ice? About the game? Yeah, just like, hey, we got to make a joke about this. I actually heard Manti talking about this on something he was doing, but it was when we for whatever reason when we were walking out of the tunnel we ran out of the same tunnel and we like met in the tunnel of the stadium with alabama with alabama and they ran out first and like we're all standing there and you know you got like chance warmack dj fluker all these dudes like running out with their shirts flipped everyone's like you know uh so halftime i mean it was pretty like yeah yeah it was over we may be in over our heads yeah but did anyone ever joke to Manti being like that was crazy dude well that stuff came up after he left oh I thought it came up like right at the end of the season oh yeah because he was he was training that's right that's right because it was a story at the Heisman but they everyone thought it was real then yeah everyone thought it was real so it came out like maybe a week or two after the national championship game when he was already gone um that's right yeah but I did see that interview for Manti who when he was saying like you knew at that moment you were probably yeah it was like different like We're used to playing Purdue and Pittsburgh.

2:30:05Yeah. It's like, oh, God. And that was when Bama was peak Bama. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just as good as good could be. They had Lacey. I think Lacey, he had like five carries for 65 yards the first drive. Oh, man. And our defense was like the best part of our team. Yeah. So that's like we knew we were in trouble. Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about the Cowboys this year? Yeah. All right. How do you like them? Because to me, they're so fun to watch. The offense is amazing. I don't think there's any bells or whistles. I think that they're just like legitimately a top five offense in the NFL. The defense is kind of, I want to say hit or miss.

2:30:38It's been a lot of miss. Defense hasn't looked great. What do you think the ceiling for this group would be this year? Well, I agree with you. Offensively, I don't think anyone's been better than them consistently over the course of the season. I love Williams, Javante Williams. That was a hell of a sign. Yeah. Obviously, Pickens picking up the slack when Seedy's out. And really up front, I think they've played, I saw a stat, they played nine guys so far this season up front and they really haven't skipped a beat there's three or four guys that have that have backed up there for a couple years that have gotten playing time the last couple years and they stepped in and did a great job so offensively it's been it's been awesome right um defensively I mean look you you trade arguably the best defensive player a week before the season um it's not going to be perfect I think they will get better I mean I played for coach Iberflus uh in Dallas my first five years I know you know you guys you got your feelings there but i do know how he coaches and uh it's not really about the plays it's about how you play and i think he'll get those guys on defense playing the right way and at least be able to um you know stop some bleeding and and win some of these games down the stretch turn around a little bit i think i think they could definitely be a playoff team i do too the fun the defense up well it's the most fun watch i saw this uh i saw this clip the other day of some cowboys fans talking about it they're like honestly they're the most fun team in the nfl to watch because they have to score every possession.

2:31:59It's a big 12 game. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. George Pickens is so much fun to watch. He's our favorite. Basically, there'll be times in the gambling cave where there'll be seven games on and be like, everyone stop watching George because he's that electric. I don't know him at all, but it seems like they've made him comfortable down there and he really enjoys being in Dallas. And I'm happy for Jake Ferguson. He's having a breakout year. He's my guy. He's going off, getting in the end zone. Fergie, you need to have Fergie out here. We had him on Wake Up Barstool for like 10 minutes on Tuesday, but we do have to have him on PNT.

2:32:35He's a character. Yeah, although I'm like not – I don't think I'm welcome back at Wisconsin right now with some of the things I've said in the last – What are you going to do? You've got to be on. Harry's grandson, but yeah. You've got to be on. Yeah. You can't sugarcoat them. But they are so much fun to watch. It's just, yeah, get that defense going. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they can't get any worse, right? Yeah, I mean, defensively, no. No, and I hate when former players take shots, and I don't want to take shots, but it's just objectively they've got to be better on defense. Well, and also they lost the best defensive player right before the season.

2:33:06That's got to take some getting used to. Like even the Bears game, like CD got hurt in the Bears game. I feel like it's so different because they played well after CD got hurt, but it's so different than when a guy gets hurt in a game with a game plan versus when you know a guy's not going to be playing. And it's kind of the little thing. It's like human nature. When a guy like C.D. Lamb goes out, there's a little bit that's like, fuck. Yeah, right. One of your best guys. Yeah, but they bounce back the next couple weeks and play great. As a player on the Cowboys, would there be times after a game when you'd see a Skip Bayless video of him throwing his Dak Prescott jersey into the trash can?

2:33:45And you're like, oh, fuck. We really messed up, guys. No, no. I don't really care about that. But no. To answer your question. No. never crossed your radar no what so you had a nickname the butcher which feels like a bad nickname for an offensive lineman um that nickname also is not it's basketball right well i don't even know i never was called that that's on my wikipedia page okay that's like the number one question people ask me yeah yeah and i'm like i wasn't aware anyone called me that someone maybe put it on there and because i looked into a little more and it says at least says on the internet that the butcher was a nickname you got playing basketball in high school which that is very funny because I would imagine you playing basketball, you played basketball like a football player.

2:34:27Yeah, you know, I get my fouls out. I average, you know, four and ten four fouls. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it would be fun to go into the paint with Zach Martin standing there. No, no. I had a little game early on. Like, basketball was my sport when I was in middle school. It's Indiana. And then my dad was like, you know, you're 6 '4 center. There's no room for that. So I really dove into football. Yeah. Did you ever have a nickname? So my nickname is Gob. The Gob, I guess my handle for everything. I like that. People are probably like, what, why? I wish I had a cooler story, but it was honestly my freshman year in high school.

2:35:03I was playing basketball, practicing against the varsity, and one of the seniors said I looked like a goblin. And now everybody in Indy, like parents call me Gob, girls call me Gob, everyone calls me Gob. The Gob. It's a cool nickname. It is a cool nickname. Yeah. The Gob 70 on Twitter. Yep. Yeah. how are you liking uh the podcast game so you got you you're doing some podcasting yeah i'm doing uh nfl iq with uh cynthia freeland and and logan ryan i'm kind of like um recurring guests i guess yeah um it's been cool like i've never really done anything like this i was pretty low-key when i played i didn't um i didn't really put myself out there much i just kind of stuck to playing football and um so i thought i'd give it a try see how see how it goes yeah is it hard to like watch the tape and and criticize players i get like cringy oh that yeah yeah i get cringy myself because i i'm still like in this mode where like i'm still playing so sometimes i listen to myself i'm like you just sound like you're in an interview at your locker after you can't listen to yourself i know don't do it i know um but uh it's been cool like she cynthia's great at like leading the conversations and yeah you and you up and it's been it's been awesome what so we we this is a theme basically every football season uh and maybe you can explain it better but like in september it's just bad football because what we've been told and you you might say this is stupid but the training camps aren't as hard it's harder for the offensive line to gel and it takes some time is there any truth in that and is there a moment that you can point to in every season where you're like all right now i feel like we're all on the same page 100 it's i think it's a huge factor and it's really and I hate being like the old guy being like we don't practice hard enough anymore we don't do this because you know when you're getting older and you're in it you're like it's kind of nice but it really comes down to to the reps the guys aren't getting reps live reps like meaningful reps not not jog through or helmet only reps like offensive linemen you you got to feel yourself getting in these fits with the guys you're playing next to you got to feel a pass rush and I just think you don't get the consistency of that through training camp anymore just because there's you got a lot of days there's days off built in uh which rightfully so coaches don't want to get guys hurt but i do think um i've heard i've talked to guys from around the league and the teams that do hit it hard in training camp you usually can tell at the beginning of the season who's playing the best and the most physical and look like they're sharp and there's not a lot of pre-snap penalties and um they usually probably had a tough training yeah is there is there one uh unit one offensive line around the league that you think might not be getting as much publicity but you're Like, these guys are doing a great job.

2:37:38I mean, honestly, I would say Dallas. I mean, I'm being biased, but I just think it's the amount of people they've played. They've played a lot of young guys, a lot of backup guys who have played really well, and, like, they've protected their butts off. Dak's been sitting back there, and I don't think his sack number's very high, and they've been running the ball pretty good. I love watching the Lions play. Penne Sewell's, like, my favorite player. He's an absolute monster. You see him running down the field? He's huge, too. I met him at the Pro Bowl one year, and he's like 330, but he doesn't look 330.

2:38:10Right. So I love the Lions. I love the Chiefs. They got Trey Smith and Humphreys. I love watching Lane and some of those guys on Philly doing their thing. You think they false start? You think the Tush push is a false start? Yeah, I mean, it's clear they've been false starting. Yeah. I mean, what was the game last week? The other team, they called it twice on them for false start. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm not a tish push hater. I think it's – I wish that we did the tish push. I mean, it's pretty sick that you're able to do it, and anyone can do it, and they just do it better. I think there's some things they could obviously clean up, but it would be pretty sick to run a play and be like, no one can stop this.

2:38:49Yeah, I agree. I think it's very clearly a rule change that's being written by haters. Yeah. The haters legislate. Losers. Losers. If you can't stop it, then I guess your only other option is to try to write it out of the game. I think that's wimp behavior. Now, if it is passed, if the rule change passed, I'd be okay with that. Yeah. I'm not going to vote for it. Indivision, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Indivision, guys. I would like to see it out of the game in terms of just for my own rooting interest. But any other team is free to try it. It was funny when it got voted on. I think they did a list, and it was like everyone who has to play the Eagles voted.

2:39:24Did they show the list? Yeah, I think it was pretty much one for one. Well, it is like when you get into fourth and one, it's like when you're on the sideline, and normally it's like, oh, they're punting here. It's demoralizing to be like, shit, they're going to get it. It's automatic. Max, Dan Campbell, Lions only team that play the Eagles this year that voted to keep it. That checks out. That's awesome. That's man stuff. He probably was like, I will have to retire if you make me vote to ban this play. The owner was probably like, Dan, you're voting to ban this play. He was like, I will not do it.

2:39:56You'll have to drag me out of here. Here's my gun and badge. All right, so I think that one cool thing about how football has evolved and the internet is people have gotten a lot smarter about football, the way we talk about football. A big thing is that all sacks are not on the offensive line. That's got to feel good to finally get that. But what would you say, like, in general, how many sacks in a given season are on the offensive line and how many are on the quarterback? I don't even think it's all on the quarterback necessarily. I think there's more times than you think that, like, the route concepts get messed up, and then that throws the cue off, and then someone gets beat late.

2:40:36I think there's more factors than just quarterback O-line. Right. I think the majority are going to fall in the low line, obviously. But those ones are pretty straightforward, right? When you're watching a game, it's like, all right, yeah. He got beat. The red guard just got beat in two and a half seconds. It's a sack. But there's more than you think that stuff breaks down on the back end that they don't talk about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because it does feel like we're getting to a smarter place. And also, quarterbacks holding onto the ball too long, where it's like, hey, you had a pocket or escaping a clean pocket.

2:41:06Those things are frustrating. And that's the thing, I think, too. Young quarterbacks, that's the first thing they learn. It's like, oh, I don't have time to sit back here. I mean, it's got to be – you've got three seconds to catch the ball and know where you're going, and it's got to get out. Because everything's working together, right? Yeah. It is. It's why I love football. Do you like watching football? I do. I love watching football. Yep. Sundays my son's starting to get into a big time like last year was like the first year which kind of sucks is my last year but it was like the first year he was really into it um so Sundays like we print out the slate every week he circles his his uh his winners and how's he been doing he's been killing it that's like send it dude he went can you fucking now it's just straight it's straight it's just straight pick them still send it he went nine and three all right send it god damn it I'll tell anyone.

2:41:52I'll take picks for a six-year-old. No spreads. Just straight-up pick-ups. That's got to be a great feeling when he wins games. Oh, he loves it. Or wake up Monday morning and be like, who won the Sunday night game last night? How'd you tell him about the tie? That one threw him for a loop. His head was depressing on that one. What do you mean? He was like Donovan McNabb being like, I didn't know you could tie. Yeah, that one. And that was a late one. The Eastern, that's been my biggest adjustment when we went back to Indy is Eastern time sucks. And, yeah, Indy should be in Central. It should because it's – I mean, you drive 45 minutes west and it's Central.

2:42:27But those games – like that game, that tie game didn't get over to like 1.30. Yeah. Yeah, the doubleheader on Monday. Oh, that was bad bullshit. Yeah, it didn't stay up for the – And that was terrible football to watch. Yeah. Yeah. With the Packers one, though, you could have just been like, yeah, we tied, but we won that tie. Like the Cowboys won. Yeah, you did. Oh, yeah. I think if you're looking at it, if they're – I mean, yes. Yeah. With all the hype around it and thinking they were going to come in and roll us over. That was a good one. Did you used to ever have to go one-on-one against Micah during practice?

2:42:56Yeah, it sucks. What was he like? He's kind of like, they're not the same at all, so don't take this this way. The ways that Donald could beat you, he could beat you with power, speed, explosion, all that stuff. Micah can do that kind of stuff. He's not an overly big guy. he doesn't look all jacked up um but the guy's just got like incredible explosion and strength and uh he's another guy he can just make you look dumb like we'd have practices where you literally couldn't run plays yeah you know or we'd have rule like in training camp you usually don't have like game plan rules you're just running how the plays put in but we would have like practice game plan rules for for mike going into practice that's pretty cool yeah that is awesome that good that's like hey here's a rule against you uh at what so when you got drafted there was obviously a lot of talk because everyone thought the Cowboys were going to draft Johnny Menzel.

2:43:49Was there a moment that Jerry Jones, like a year or two in your career, he's like, hey, just want to say, I'm sorry, like you, you're way better than Johnny Menzel. I don't know if I've ever talked to him like about, like he taught, he mentioned a little bit in like my retirement press conference. I talked to like Steven and all the other scouts. And like we had this older scout, he's the old line guy, his name's Walter. And he's always like, I stood on the table for you, man. I was in there. yeah that's awesome so yeah we uh it was always a little joke around the facility yeah i'd say they made the right pick yeah they made they made the right call they made the right pick what jerry say during the press conference was he like you know he still thinks something about how he did like didn't uh he actually didn't want to draft manzel they just like blew it up in that way and everyone laughed it was like you know clearly you wanted him yeah you want him i did call you a bust on your draft night did you yeah but that was when i was busting everyone the entire So I said Zach Martin's name is not Johnny Manziel bust.

2:44:42Yeah, so I just busted everything. I used that my entire career. Yeah, there we go. You just had to print it out. They called me a bust. Yeah. I'm proving wrong. Yeah. Have you thought about what you're going to say in Canton? Say again? What are you going to say in Canton? No. You should think about that. You've got a few years, but you should start thinking about that. Okay. Maybe a prop. Maybe a water. What if you smash the watermelon? You could have seen the mallet we were smashing this thing with. It was like a big wooden, like, the head of this thing was probably that big. It was like specifically for smashing watermelons.

2:45:14Of course, like he told the guy to get me something to smash these watermelons. Maybe bring like a cake out, you know, like that show, Is It Cake? But it's a bust of your head. And then you smash that and it's watermelon cake on the inside. Dude, you should smash a watermelon. That would be the coolest. I love how like the smallest things are like the biggest. Well, it all goes back to gambling for me. Yeah, right. Because I lost money on that game. Well, actually, no, if I had the Cowboys and I had known about it, I'd be talking about it in a different way. I'd be like, holy shit, remember when I won a game from a smashed watermelon?

2:45:45But I just remember the news came out later that week, and I was like, of course I fucking lost that game. The information that would have been useful. They smashed the watermelon. You can't just do that. This might be a dumb question, but have you had to pick up any new hobbies since you retired? You had a lot of time to fill now, right? A lot of time to fill. I mean, the kids, we're kind of in the thick of it. My wife's pregnant. We got three little ones. I played a lot of golf this summer. We talked about it. My wife's family has a lake house, so we're up there a lot of this summer. It's pretty nice to find that fucking trophy.

2:46:15Yeah. We're going to find that trophy. Oh, the trophy? Yeah. We're going to find that trophy. What are we going to do with it when we find it? Put it in the studio. If we find it, can we keep it? Yeah, absolutely. Hell yes. Okay, we're going trophy. Yeah. Pinstripe. Is it northeast Indiana? Not far from here? Okay, yeah. About three hours maybe? We got no problem finding that trophy. Yeah, we got, oh, Zach will look great in a scoop outfit. Yeah. Oh, Zach, you could scuba. If it's to find a trophy, I'm down and do whatever. Let's do it. Let's find a trophy. Fuck yeah, Zach. Did you have some...

2:46:43If we're not finding a trophy, you're not down to scuba? We'll scuba with intent to find the trophy. If we don't find it, it'll probably still be a great scuba day on Lake. Yeah. Have you ever scuba dove? Not as deep as I would assume that trophy's been. I've done like a little snorkeling, but nothing with like... That's not scuba. No, never a tank, never a scuba situation. How heavy is the trophy? I'm trying to think if you guys have any stuff in here. Could a guy like me, could I lift it up? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we could actually - Maybe like this wide maybe? We could pick it up off the bottom of the lake and swim up, no problem.

2:47:15Yeah, it's been down there a while though. We're talking probably eight, nine years it's been down there. Yeah, this is exciting. This is exciting. All right, I'm looking at the trophy. It's not that big. Yeah. No, no. Is it metal? We could definitely find it. Let me see. Yeah. It's the same one. It's got metal on it, right? Is that one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We could definitely find this trophy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I want to find this trophy so bad now alright well this has been awesome Zach you're going to watch football with us tonight I got one last question, Roback question RHO, B-A-C-K dot com promo code take 20 % off your first purchase Q-Zips, Polos, Hoodies, Joggers, Shorts Roback dot com promo code take I ask this for whenever we have offensive linemen on the show and I'm just, you know it's kind of boring to ask the same question but I'm always just curious about it do you, what play and if you're on a drive at what point are you like we know we got him Like, they're – Good question.

2:48:04They're – Good question. Thank you. They're, like, dying for air, and we got them. I would say if we're moving it, like, consistently after, like, I don't know, three or four plays, like, when they start, like, they're already starting to switch in for the backups, and they're coming back, like, we got them on the ropes. You're just waiting for a big one to hit. That's got to be a great feeling. Yeah, that is a good feeling. Just leaning on them? Just leaning on them. No, we're going to call, like, the same run play again, and they can't do anything. Did you ever play in a game where you called the same run play?

2:48:33We did it in Pittsburgh to – was that last year? The year – the delay game where it was super late. I think it may have been last year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But late in the game, I think we called the same one like four or five times in a row. That's got to be a great feeling where it's just like, hey, you can't stop this. And the defense is like yelling, like, it's coming right here. It's the same play. Good luck, yeah. That's an awesome feeling. That's great. Oh, man. Oh, last, last question. you were present for maybe the greatest Bears quarterbacking performance of all time how were you in awe of Josh McCown on that Monday night football game was that in Chicago yeah I I was in awe of him yes oh you don't remember it god damn it well I remember I remember uh winning the game no the Bears won maybe this was before you before it was that the super cold game yes very cold a year before I got here very oh okay so but you were in Austin that was 2013 you were in awe i was in well i was in awe just watching i heard how cold it was yeah it was uh the bears won that game uh 45 to 28 and josh mccown i want to say he was 27 for 36 348 four touchdowns that's pretty in a very i think i think i was 2013 2013 yeah yeah yeah yeah did you ever play in a super cold game like that uh we played chicago the next year i think on a thursday night was cold we played philly one year it was miserable i think it was the year they won the super bowl because we were out we played them the last week of the season we were out of it and they were already had their stuff locked up so they weren't even really playing their guys but we were still playing all of our guys and it was like this sucks 15 with the wind was whipping through i remember talking to chris long like he was out there like the first quarter and he's like dude this shit's for the bird yeah it's like i know i'm going to i'm going to vegas on thursday he was stoned he probably doesn't would you wear sleeves yeah uh i never wore sleeves did anyone on your line ever wear sleeves i i think for that i that 13 game the chicago game i think guys did because i think it was it was very cold it was like freezing yeah zero degrees i don't think when we were there in cold games we didn't ever we played a rain game in new england one year uh i think it was 2019 it was like 40 but it rained the whole game which is almost worse than if it's like yeah you know and you wore sleeves no oh no i would never yeah i would judge you i'd actually say nothing no i judge myself i'd say we should have taken johnny manzel wait so did you ever play with any offensive lineman who ever wore sleeves yeah some guys wear like the um i guess it's like the new look now like the loose loose fitting sleeves yeah it's not to stay warm like that's like their that's just a swag yeah their swag yeah i think trent williams might have started that yeah probably and you can't talk shit to him you can't god damn it's unbelievable yeah what about gloves would you change your glove color depending on the jerseys of the other team so the last couple years uh We, Mike Solari was our line coach and I never had a line coach that was like this, but he would do it.

2:51:25Like he would have our, he would have our equipment guys like color our, our, uh, the outside of our gloves. Like we were playing a team that was wearing darker jerseys. Yeah. Like I'd get into the locker room and my glove cause I w I would put a new pair of gloves on for the game and like my gloves would be like Sharpie. Like they'd be black. That's smart. Smart. Yeah. So they would hand draw. Yeah. They would just like, if we were playing, um, you know, a team that was wearing like, like Philly, like dark green, they would just take a black Sharpie and like, Like all the white spots, they would cover it in black shirt.

2:51:51That's really genius. Yeah. Yeah. I also feel like offensive linemen, like, did you ever throw on a knee brace even though you didn't need one? No. No. I don't know. No. No. No. That was the best part about coming to the NFL. You didn't have to wear a knee brace. Yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, there are those clunky knee braces. They would make us, Jerry would get, like, every, not every year, but every so often we'd have, like, an injury in training camp and he'd get pissed and he would just make call the O-linemen and D-linemen wearing knee braces. That was the reason we got hurt. Put the knee braces back on.

2:52:24Oh, that's so funny. Oh, man. All right, well, Zach, this has been awesome, man. Love having you here. Definitely come back. And like I said, it was very cool when we met you at the Super Bowl, and you're like, yeah, I'm a listener. I was like, holy fuck. I may be a day one listener. Holy fuck. Your nine-time AWL? Was Chris Long your first interview? He was our second, I want to say. Okay, that was the first episode. The first episode I released was Chris Long. That may have been the first. I followed you guys before PMT and all that. So when you guys started that, I was on it. That's awesome.

2:52:54I think it was like 2015 maybe. All right. Well, we might have to have you write a little something in the book because we're trying to write a book and it's hard to write a book. So you're going to just have to write us a page. Yeah. Thanks for writing the book. The different times I chuckle in my car by myself. Yeah. Yeah. Just be like, yeah. Zach Martin's favorite times that they made a joke. Yeah. You go into the parking lot and we're talking about DAC and you just turn the volume all the way down before you pull up next to him. Yeah. Or maybe it's just like we don't even have to say what lake it is because we don't want people showing up to the lake.

2:53:25But maybe it's just a diagram of a lake, a hypothetical lake, and you just saying where you think it might be. And that would just be a whole page. A treasure map. Yeah. A treasure map in the book. I know where it's at. Okay. All right. So we'll do that. We'll do that. All right. Well, Zach, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it, guys. Zach Martin was brought to you by Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi because Pepsi brings the flavor. Pepsi makes those flavors pop. The sweetness and the carbonation of Pepsi, it really, really ups the taste of nachos. I enjoyed some ice cold Pepsi, some wild cherry Pepsi to go with Max's nachos last weekend.

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2:55:31It is the best. The espresso cafe mocha is dangerously good. Stellbluecoffee.com, Amazon, GoPuff. Get it everywhere. We're going to be in some convenience stores soon. Save some dogs. Hank? Yes. Firefest. We talked about the ant firefest and just kind of like the... The fire ant. The vibe of that match, which I don't really... I would do it again. Probably will do it again. You would ant him again? I didn't even... Yeah, I just... You were so confident that you had his score right. Do you think I was a liar? I honestly, what it was, was that I was just so far back on that hole strokes wise that I couldn't fathom.

2:56:11Like I was kind of, it was denial. I didn't think you were a liar. I was just in denial about my own status. Whatever you have on a hole, you assume that the other person can't be that much better than you. Yeah, it was more, yeah, I just, yeah, that was, it was denial. I apologize and I apologize again. But it is more just the Fyre Fest that this week was the realization. It all set in. Winter's here. It's over. It's still fall. The clocks are turning back this weekend. It's already getting dark early. That's what's tough is when it gets dark at 6 and you're like, the clocks are turning back and next week it's going to be 5.

2:56:47And it's just cold. There was a couple days where we got out of work late afternoon. If it was nice weather, it's like, oh, maybe shoot up. play a quick nine holes. It was too cold to do that. It was like, yeah, I don't want to play golf because it's 40 and windy and rainy, and it's not going to get warmer for months. Yeah, it was gross. And it's going to get darker earlier, and it just sucks. I heard from, I think this guy was a meteorologist. He said that Chicago might be supposed to be having the coldest winter of all time. Yeah, last 30 years. In the last 30 years. Yeah. Mincy said that. Mincy said that.

2:57:22He tweeted that. He's like, someone just told me that Chicago's going to have the coldest winter in the last 30 years this winter. I saw a TikTok on the same thing. Yeah, they just... There's like an air mass or something, and they try to... They always predict this shit. Polar vortex. Just look at a squirrel's tail. If it's a bushy tail, it's going to be cold. I go by the caterpillars, the size of the caterpillars. Yeah. So yeah, it's just depressing. I'm sorry, Hank. Yeah. We should do Snowbird as a podcast. We really should. That's a good idea. We are going on spring break. That's a really good idea.

2:57:55South Padre Island. We're going on spring break.

2:58:30I kind of like the idea It would be so hard to watch football. No, they got football over there. It would be so hard for you to figure out time zones. Oh, time zones. I'd be dead. That London game would be on at like 2 in the morning. Yeah. Maybe even earlier. We could all just go with my method and just pretend like it doesn't exist. No, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, me neither. Yeah. I would maybe move to Hawaii if Hank – we have to move back if Hank misses one second of a London game. I'd be locked in then I would never risk like you fall asleep for even a second boom pack the bags you haul I'd make that trade it would be so worth it surf so much you wouldn't surf there's no chance you'd surf I'd body surf so much you'd body surf so much body surfing would rock okay so that was your fire freshers bumming us all out Yeah.

2:59:28Okay. I've been bummed out this week, so I figured. Yeah, might as well just pass it off to us. Yeah. It has nothing to do with the fact that PFT embarrassed you on the golf course. Well, that, I mean, that's part of it. We already did talk about that, and that's going to be the lasting kind of thing that I have to think about for the winter. It's just my performance in that match. The match isn't over. It's not. Part two that's coming out. There is part two, and part two's part two. It gets wild. It gets wild. There was some fight. I'm proud of the fight, but it's just going to be a long winter.

2:59:58I mean, I shot a 40. It's tough to beat a 40. It's too. You can't say winter yet. It's like 50 degrees outside. Yeah, but it's the coldest winter ever. It's cold. It is. Yeah. This is going to suck when Mitzi was right. This is all-time bad vibes. He's bumming me out. Wait, what's the name of the segment? Firefest. Okay, got it. Yeah, sorry. You're doing ice fest. Do you want good vibes? Like what? My bad. You're right. You're right. You're right. Max. but normally it's a personal fire fest yeah he's just bumming everyone this is personal this is it's been this is this has been my week this week is like because even when it's like we even when i can't golf i like walking outside and being like oh it'd be nice to golf right now like it's nice to be outside and be like oh like this is like someone out there is enjoying a nice a nice round i'm looking at the next 15 days and it's 55 every day that's incredible weather max dude fall weather 55 is awesome.

3:00:52It is good. That's great golf weather. You can golf in 55. You can absolutely golf. Oh, no. I just broke my keychain, too. Like, obviously, winter's coming, but you can't say winter's here in October when it's 55 degrees. And what about the light? The clock. The clock's changing on Saturday night. That is an issue. That's an issue. I agree with that. The early sunset. I don't like leaving work when it's dark outside. 55 is awesome weather. It is. Hank, you know what I'm going to do? What? I'm going to take you golfing. Okay. next week yeah and i'm gonna show you it's not done yet show some fight all right fine be a man dude fight you gotta rage against this winner with everything that you're worth do you want to maybe like pretend you're gonna dunk again so you have something to work for nah okay what pretend you're gonna need a six-pack i don't know i can do that i'm on i'm on the i'm on the right path okay for a six-pack yeah working out when's that coming i i don't want to set a date okay smart all right uh pft your fryer fest i mean in in that same video that that hank has been talking about the video i i noticed i am definitely looking fat these days got my physical a couple weeks ago pretty heavy right now hank if you want if you want to mentor me and get me in shape if that's a project get me jacked again make pft jacked again i'm i i there were a couple video like angles in the video that i saw i was like that it's time it's time to call You want to do some like, it's not really jacked.

3:02:22It's more like mobility, but like if we can do some golf, I want to do some golf, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Let's play golf. Specific. No golf, specific workouts, like off season. Okay. I actually would like to get jacked. Okay. You want to get my fire fest is similar that I've, I've been noticing, like, this is the part of the football season where my body starts to break down. Yeah. And like, I don't sleep, but I've also been noticing I haven't been sleeping, but like my body, my brain is tired, but my body isn't. I need to find a way to like lift a couple of times a week. Because when your body has energy, your brain has energy.

3:02:52Right. Yeah. Where I'll just notice. I'll just be like, and I feel like I might be at my weakest right now. I pre-regret saying this. I shouldn't say it. I shouldn't say this. What? Do I get jacked? The ice cream machine is not helping. No, that's fucked up. The ice cream machine is not helping. Chime in, Zach. Let's be honest. You have some self-control, buddy. I put 90 % of my recent weight gain on the ice cream machine. All right. If you want to blame it, that's fine. We all say things we don't mean Right Self control That's why I said I shouldn't say it But having an ice cream machine You know what you could do?

3:03:26I skip lunch And then have ice cream I've started to do that Yeah You just gotta count I count my calories in ice cream only Because my normal diet Around this time of year Every year it's S's I only eat soup Salad Smoothies You always say that But now I got ice cream It's just dessert soup Sundays Sundays What about like the Yeah, the wings and pizza we get on. That's during football. That's international waters. We literally, before we started recording, Max was like, Donnie's making us brisket sandwiches for dinner. Prime rib. Prime rib. Yeah, it's hard. And you were like, fuck yeah. And he's getting the deli slicer out.

3:04:06He's getting the deli slicer out. Oh, man. All right, let me revise what my diet usually is. Salad, soups, and smoothies for lunch, usually. Yeah, you just got to skip lunch. That's an S. I go breakfast, ice cream, dinner. Yeah. And then ice cream. Yeah. The problem is when I have the smoothies, then I'm like, well, I didn't have lunch. I can basically have ice cream. Yeah. You skip breakfast. You just eat lunch at breakfast times. Fact. Like, yes, your 10 a.m. meals are. Yeah, they're lunch, but they're not. But I don't do breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. I brunch. I brunch every day. I brunch every day.

3:04:40I have like a burrito at 930 in the morning. Yeah. And then I don't eat again till like 8 p.m. at night. My real fire fest, though, is I am going to Kansas City in Arrowhead. I've committed to it. I'm going to go. It would be a pussy move on my part if I didn't go. You ain't no pussy. One thing about me, ain't no bitch. Nope. Ain't no bitch in this seat. So I'm going to Arrowhead, and I'm going to bring back a cover. Much like I went to Qatar. There we go. I went to Qatar on a mission to bring back a draw against England in the World Cup. Promises made. Promises delivered. We won that tie. we are going to win the shit out of this cover against the Chiefs.

3:05:16Twelve and a half points is a lot of points. I don't know how we're going to do it. I don't know what defense we're going to be running. I don't know if the same guys are going to be at the – I'm going to make it happen. Yeah. So I'm not backing out of a trip. But I'm also not looking forward to the trip. No. Yeah. That's – yeah, especially – what time is your flight on Monday? Flight on Monday is like 2. Okay, that's not bad. It's not bad. And then the flight back, that's going to be the early one. That's going to be a tough one. That's going to be a tough one because to watch that game, I'm going to have to drink some beer.

3:05:45Yeah. You have to. Have to drink beer. It's a must drink beer. What if you guys just win? You never know. Listen, I'm on Moneyline already. Yeah, just win. I believed in it when it was only two and a half points. Just do it. Yeah, I might just win. Yeah, just win. I think I'll just win. All right, yeah, my fire versus my body's breaking. I mean, this just happens every year right around here where it's just like I haven't slept. I got just bad sleep, and my daughters decided to just come in every night scared because of Halloween season. Halloween. I like Halloween, but it fucking sucks sometimes because they see ghosts and shit all the time, and it's just always in their head.

3:06:20And they talk about it right before they go to bed, and then 4 a.m. I saw a ghost. You got decorations up? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Lights? You got a skeleton? No skeleton. We got spiders, lights, like pumpkins. Yeah. We do it right. It's fast. Yeah, we do it right. I saw at Costco the other day. They have, obviously, the giant skeleton that we've all seen. But there's a bigger skeleton this year. Oh. It's like three times the size of the giant skeleton. Might have to get that. I was thinking about picking it up and just, should we just assemble it, like, inside the gym and not tell anybody? That might have to do it.

3:06:56Growing up, my family had like a 10-foot statue of Frankenstein. Like it's not inflatable, just like a real deal statue of Frankenstein. And my mom would only put it out for Halloween night and would chain it to a tree because she was so scared that someone would come steal it. One night? One night. That's amazing. Because she was way too scared that it was going to get stolen. So it was just one night and it was chained to a tree just for Halloween. I mean, it's Philly. They'll steal anything there. Yeah. R.I.P. Hitchbot. Dude, have you seen the robots, by the way? Yeah, I want to Hitchbot them.

3:07:32I do, too. Me, too. And the worst part about those is I'll see a robot, and then I'll tell them, like, I'll be in the car and be like, kids, look, a robot. And then they'll just be like, where's the next robot? I'm like, I don't fucking know where the robots are, but they want to see a robot. They want to see a robot. It's like, I can't fucking predict when we're going to see another robot. So it just becomes robot time. You should have shown it the first time. I know. I made the mistake. Now all we do is talk about, let's go find a robot. I'm like, it's some fucking idiot who just is ordering their Thai food.

3:08:02Just shut up about the robots. I hate those robots. Yeah, we should fuck them up. You know what? Maybe next iteration of the car stick is just a giant magnet. And if you see a robot rolling around, just go and put the magnet on it. I do like, though, seeing the robot. Have you seen the robot get bodied trying to cross the street before? That's awesome. Yeah, it is. Because cars won't stop for it, so it just keeps stopping and starting because they censor it. Yeah. It's awesome. Just like, fuck you, robot. You're stuck here forever, idiot. Yeah, let's fuck up one of those robots. Yeah, I hate those things.

3:08:34They probably have cameras on it and shit. All right, Zach, what's your Firefest? My Firefest of the week is, I know nobody cares about your fantasy team, but my Firefest this week is that I keep opening up the app I use for fantasy football because I was dropped. I was canned midweek last week by what some are saying is maybe a corrupt commissioner. I was kicked from the league. You got booted? I got booted. Banhammer? By who? What league? Just a league that I'm in with some guys I know back home. And they're saying the commissioner might be corrupt. I don't know if he is, but I got canned midweek.

3:09:08Not good. What did you do? They're saying, I guess what the committee is saying is I didn't set my lineup correctly. but what happened was I got got we played Thursday game went through and then I got by an injury status change and they were and he's just like sorry had to drop you and because you didn't set the lineup how you should have set the lineup who was it who got injured uh off the top of my head don't remember I'm trying to blank it out I'm trying to like push it away move on what the fuck I just want to say that ain't right so you had every intention of starting players that were that were playing but you're saying one of the guys was not playing yes this corrupt commissioner also had the audacity to say after I was banished from the league to then reset the lineup for the next guy up and say this is how any rational person would have set the lineup and I just want to say who are you to tell somebody else how to run their program a rational person that's such a subjective thing what happened what happened to your team couldn't agree more I would am currently in my team would just they just filled the slot with a new guy gave him the team that's crazy That's insane.

3:10:10I was currently in eighth place. The commissioner, coincidentally, seventh place. I also want to say commissioner, coincidentally, first guy to make trades with the team. Wow. So he had sold a puppet. He had sold a puppet regime. And tell me the backstory of this team real quick. These are guys you know? These are guys that I know. How long have you been in this league? This is my first year in the league because some other dude dropped out of the league. And I was like, okay, I'm down to get in the league. I've never heard this before. You can't just drop someone mid-season. You could be not invited back.

3:10:37and then retroactively set the lineup for the next guy after the slate had already started. Like, well, let's backpedal. And what did you make a mistake with? I had an injury status change. What do you mean? And I don't have auto substitutions on. I do manual. And then a guy went from questionable to out. And then the game started. Oh, that's not your fault? We're on the same page. Dude, I've done way worse. I had a week this year that I didn't start a quarterback. in his two-quarterback league. But that was also my hands were tied. I had a bye week and an injury, and I was like, there's no one I can pick up.

3:11:15But this commissioner, he just wanted to get his puppet regime so that he could control them, and now they're just like a branch of his team. I agree. I believe one of the first trades that my previous team made was he got to pick up Matthew Stafford for like a fourth-round pick, and that comes up in a couple years. Yeah, so, hey, Zach, oh, this is like a keeper league. Say the guy's name, but we'll bleep it. I'll just go first. His name's Jacob. Fuck Jacob. Wait, it's not our Jacob. No. No. Jacob would never. Fuck this Jacob. Some are saying corrupt commissioner. I'm not saying it, but some are saying it.

3:11:52I'm keeping the name in. Yeah. Oh, no. I was never going to bleep it. No, we were with Max. We were never going to bleep it. Now, were there like bylaws? Were there rules of this team that were written in the app? Like when you look at the league setup, does it say like, hey, we'll kick you out of the league if you don't if you miss setting your lineup one week by one player oh no it was just explained to me that the league made a decision he's like everyone in the league said you got to be out so then i did a crowd i resourced and was like i'm gonna just hit everyone that's in the league yeah one-to-one like hey did you did you vote for this and like no we didn't vote for this yeah oh fuck snake snake him add memes to the text group throw them just let no add jerry o 'connell Let Jerry go fucking crazy on him He'll fuck him up He will Dude this is bullshit He'll turn that green I wanna I wanna do something Did you pay for the league already?

3:12:42Can we jump him? Physical violence? Yeah I'm not I can't We'll figure something out I mean Hank's dealt with commissioners before Yeah That is true Hank could chain himself to his front porch Yo, this is fucking bullshit I fucking hate Jacob I fucking hate this guy I'm not saying corrupt I'm saying he's a piece of shit He's Snakeum Bad dude He's got scales, he's got a forked tongue We're on to new teams But you're not Next year You're just out of fantasy football now I keep clicking the app out of muscle memory And I'm like, oh yeah, banned, banished I'm flabbergasted Listen, there needs to be a court system.

3:13:30There's some jealousy going on here. Yeah, we need to put this guy in jail. It's bigger than fantasy football. You know what? They did you a favor, though. It's like if you fire a coach early on, you've got all the time to look for new jobs now. You're going to have your pick of leagues for next year. That is true. Tons of time to try to get into a different situation. Yep, absolutely. It's crazy. also this weekend Friday Iowa City Jacob and Zach the cream team are driving they're being the roadies again for Pup Punk so we're going to be at L-Ray's Friday night I think we go on at like 10 or 11 but it's a free show so come out see the boys tell Zach say what's up Zach if you see boobs let me know I can do that for you I got you it's the Flash Zach party nice Nice.

3:14:17We're just going to make sure all that equipment gets there safe for a PFT. Everybody come see Pub Punk. It's a great show. These guys are awesome. There's a really awesome Riverboat Casino in Dubuque, Iowa. Oh, yeah. Maybe the cream team stops there. Oh, I like that. That could be a great time. Yeah. Diamond Joe's, I want to say it's called. Hopefully, it's still in service. All right. Good show, boys. Good luck to everyone this weekend, changing the clocks. Hank bumming you out. I just can't get the out of my head. I really can't. I can't. His face. Yeah, Diamond Joe Casino. It's still there.

3:14:55Let's go. Sweet. Okay. Number three. I think that's me. I think that was PFT. If PFT gets it, I'm smashing this computer. Okay. Smashing it. I was very mad at me today. Smashing it. Why are you mad? Because I was mean to the Jets. smashing it. What'd you say? I don't know. We did the show. Yeah. Whatever we said earlier on the show. It's low-hanging fruit. Only fruit he could grab. That's good. Banger. That's good, Memes. That was a banger. Yeah, it was. Damn. Alright, does PFT have three? I guess. Alright, 33. 22. 77. Memes, you know what? You can have three, Mike. No. Let's let fate decide it.

3:15:37Okay. Memes, what's your number? 100. Ooh, ballsy 99, 35 44 86 77 I would actually run out of the studio I would run out of the studio 69 69 Sex number Is that right? Yeah 69 One more One more where everyone has their numbers Same number Same number Okay Nah, shows No, no, no We'll do one more. Alright, memes, you don't want to be involved in this one? No. Same number. You want in or out, memes? In or out. What's your number? 100. 100.

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