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16:14Big Cat:I think she was there for her friends

16:16PFT Commenter:Oh so Taylor Swift can't like sports She's been a Knicks fan

16:19Big Cat:She was rooting for the Cavs last series No she wasn't Root for fiance's team

16:24PFT Commenter:Oh you're talking about the seat that I'm going to buy Yeah This new seat's going to go for a shitload of money Especially that game But yeah I mean listen You're already Taylor Swift Let someone else have Stevie Nicks shirt Do you know what I'm saying But she did. She brought one for Marissa. I understand. But it was the three of them all game. They kept on showing. I think it was Nickelback.

16:49Big Cat:Nicole Kidman.

16:50PFT Commenter:Yeah. That's the worst shirt ever. That's the one you got to wear if you're Taylor Swift because you're Taylor Swift. Everyone already has eyes on you. You took Stevie Nicks. That's the best shirt. Yeah. Just be a good friend. That's all I'm saying. Did you see that poor? I think she was a great friend. I think she got her friends the best seats ever because a quarter million dollars on those scenes but still come on like stevie nicks is the best

17:15Big Cat:shirt of those yeah it was um it was it was awesome seeing that shot right after i think it was right after the um the tip in by og and it cut to the crowd and it goes like jerry seinfeld adam sandler freaking out uh all those girls freaking out and jumping around and then there was one other person that was sitting right behind him oh scooter brawn we got great sports town they were all having a

17:41PFT Commenter:All right, memes and Zach, want to hear from the boys. How we feeling? Give us everything from last night. I feel great.

17:53Big Cat:Invincible? Invincible. Last night was so fucking awesome. I was just sitting crisscross applesauce in front of all four of my TVs, and I was just super hyper-focused in just this... Got this? I hate when Max does this. Oh, what is he doing? He just grabs this. Yeah, because you just grab it.

18:15PFT Commenter:I'm trying to fucking grab it. You're the one who stopped talking. Way to steal his moment, Max. I want the people to be able to see him when he's saying this. Fair. Fair. Fair point.

18:28Big Cat:I forgot where I was. Oh, Max. You're about to come. Four TVs. I was about to come. I never quit on the game. I thought they were going to come back. Bet him at halftime. because of the Celtics series from last year, I knew that it was actually possible to come back because they did it twice in their own, in Boston, both times against the defending NBA champions. And you knew that would be possible against a very young team. And that's what happened last night. Hey. Zach, you said memes and Zach.

19:04PFT Commenter:Oh, okay, Zach.

19:06Big Cat:this Knicks team has showed us all series and all playoffs, not long, that if there's time on the clock, there's an opportunity. For the majority of the game, it didn't feel good. I'm not going to say I lost hope or a step, but it didn't feel the best. It almost felt as if we get it under 20. It's like, okay, here it is, a little momentum, and they juice it back up a little bit. And then we get there, it's like, okay, this is the spot. This is where they make the run, break the pace, and they knock it up a little bit again. It's like, okay, I'm not sure what's going to go on here. And then for the way the fourth quarter unfolded, I've never felt.

19:39Big Cat:Please don't sign to the microphone, Hank. My body was tingling. That's all. I was tingling.

19:44PFT Commenter:I can't stress enough. I don't remember a vibe shift in a series quite like this inside of a game. Because it's not just the game. It's not just the first half and what happened. we also had an entire day where like James Dolan goes on radio and just starts spouting his mouth off talking shit about San Antonio guaranteeing a championship getting in a fight with Mom Donnie then Mom Donnie fights back with James Dolan like they cancel the party again it felt like the sky was falling for Knicks fans Knicks fans also a bunch of scumbags

20:20Big Cat:people are talking about how Knicks fans are a bunch of scumbags

20:24PFT Commenter:yeah that's post game hold on yeah we'll get to that Crime.

20:27Big Cat:Well, I'm saying, yeah, yes.

20:28PFT Commenter:Yeah. But, like, everything that could have gone wrong after one single loss went wrong. Jordan Woods couldn't get her bag in the game. She actually did get it in the game, game four, which was huge. But everything was, like, falling apart. We have a historic run. The Knicks go on 12 games in a row. They're the happiest city on earth. They lose one game. All of a sudden, we've got politicians and billionaires and everyone fighting. and watch parties getting canceled and everything sucks. And then it's the greatest NBA Finals game ever. It's like crazy. I'm still in shock a day later.

21:05Big Cat:The first half, the only good thing that happened to the Knicks in the first half, and I think that's when Wimby got his flagrant, right? So he's got one more, and then he gets the sussy, which makes that non-flagrant that he didn't get from the Brunson shove a couple days ago that much more impactful. Wimby was just he lost control a few times he's got a little temper to him he did get Mitch Johnson Robinson good yeah he got him good but he also he loses control sometimes in games when he gets like somebody just runs into him they give him like a small elbow to his side they push him off balance a little bit they like pick on him a little in like very small ways good playoff physicality and then that builds up for Wimby and he just lets you have it And it's so obvious when Wemby lets you have it because the refs call it every single time.

21:55Big Cat:He's got like a temper issue, I think.

21:57PFT Commenter:But it was like I was saying on Wednesday's show, like part of me thinks Wemby's actually doing a decent job of standing up for himself where he's just not letting people push him around because you're a skinny guy and you can get pushed around the physicality and all that stuff. And he's like, no, I'm not going to get pushed around. I'm a little exhausted on the way. The athletic article being like, can you believe Wemby drew a picture in a park? I didn't read that one. Oh, my God. I'm a little Wemby'd out for a second. I just need a breather. It's going to be nice to have two days in between games.

22:29Big Cat:I mean, who knows what he's going to get up to before that game.

22:32PFT Commenter:Well, it's more that when Wemby plays like that little dog, when he's just floating around and taking three, it's not fun to watch. He's so physically imposing. Just get down there, dude. Get your ass in the paint.

22:44Big Cat:I like it when he gets mad. I think that this type of physicality is good, but it does end up costing his team sometimes. Yeah. And, yeah, that was the only downside to the first half when everything seemed to go right for the Spurs. Every single thing seemed to go right. And I think losing the game mentally, very draining on the Spurs. But then to have to go through everything that they did after, like, they had to just sit in that locker room in silence just thinking about what just happened to them. And then eggs thrown at their head. Then they had eggs thrown at them on their way out. And Wemby was probably like, ooh, omnet.

23:14Big Cat:Wee wee. And then they got into the bus. No, quiche. Ooh, some quiche here. Omnet. And then he gets into the bus. They're probably still silent in that bus. They go home. Think about what they've done. Go to the airport. Think about what they've done. Just the aftermath of that is going to be what makes it really tough for them to get over. If they're going to get pissed off in the next couple days or if they're just going to be sad. If they're going to be sad about it, then they're fucked. If they're going to get mad, they're still in it because they've got the talent, I think.

23:40PFT Commenter:Do you guys disavow the egg throwing? Disavow, but great arm. Oh, that doesn't sound like a disavow. No, I disavow.

23:48Big Cat:but Knicks fans are scumbags. There is not enough talk about how poorly they have acted after these games.

23:58PFT Commenter:One loss and it just fell apart. Yeah.

24:02Big Cat:You should never pull a prank on anybody by throwing eggs at them. That's not cool.

24:06PFT Commenter:Unless you're like 12 years old and it's Halloween. Not all Knicks fans. But there's been enough times where it's not just one isolated event. Well, it's New York.

24:19Big Cat:Everybody has eggs. Is that true? Yeah, there's just random people carrying around eggs.

24:23PFT Commenter:Oh, because they got the city grocery stores that give them away for free. Yeah, the bodegas. They don't have those anywhere else. Yeah, only in New York. Only in New York can you go and get cereal, eggs, and toilet paper. And cigarettes. You can't get that anywhere else.

24:39Big Cat:Zach, do you have any comment about the fact that just within the last year, iShowSpeed has done several videos where he encourages people to throw eggs at him as he runs around trying to evade them and then acting like it's one big joke do you think that maybe nyx fans saw that they're like oh hey when we might like it and think that it's a fun video if i throw eggs at him i think eggs historically are more of a hijinks fun goof not not so much a malicious act in this case it may have been a malicious act so i'm i'm going to disavow the egg throwing and the egg hitting wimby on the top of the head if wimby wasn't a human and he was a

25:10PFT Commenter:target i'd say it was a great throw as nicks fans are you guys sneaky i i know you're going to game five so you want to watch the championship you want to see the trophy in front of you but is there a small part of you that like silver lining if the nicks lose game five at least we get to beat up some more spurs fans back in new york off-court violence is never the answer because like that's probably you're probably thinking that a little bit like hey at least this means we get to fucking punched more random guys in a Spurs jersey.

25:42Big Cat:Disavow. Retweet that disavow. But you did tweet out crime last week. I was talking, yeah, crime on the hardwood, good play, yes. Outside the arena, crime, I'm not sure.

25:58PFT Commenter:No, listen, I'm not, we're obviously joking, like disavow, but we're obviously, like, every fan base has scumbags. I do not think all Knicks fans are bad.

26:07Big Cat:I do think that these are the worst videos that a fan base has ever had.

26:11PFT Commenter:There's a shitload of people in New York City, but yeah.

26:13Big Cat:Yeah. These videos are real bad. Sounds like you're avowing them.

26:18PFT Commenter:I'm not. I'm disavowing them. I'm avowing all other Knicks fans who don't. Let's talk about the Knicks. I'm more impressed by the Knicks fans that didn't punch a Spurs guy in the face.

26:28Big Cat:Why don't we talk about that? Well, it's that and also, like, if you just look at the statistical probability. I mean, we've been talking about throwing snowballs at Santa Claus since the 60s. I know. You're from Philly. I get it. If you throw an egg in New York City, last night, chances are, if it's going to hit anybody, it's probably going to be Wimby because it's so much bigger than everybody else. So that might have been a complete coincidence.

26:50PFT Commenter:Yeah. Also, Santa Claus is different than Wimby. It's Santa Claus, dude.

26:56Big Cat:Yeah. And this is where all of Max's anger comes from, is he wants people to stop saying that people from Philly are scumbags. well I just get pissed off because I keep seeing all these videos it's like wow New York's acting a lot like Philly and these are worse than anything that Philly's ever done

27:10PFT Commenter:what about when Michael Irvin got like paralyzed

27:12Big Cat:and you cheered

27:14PFT Commenter:I didn't know

27:17Big Cat:that cheering is worse than assaulting a guy and ripping his jersey off and giving him a bloody nose what about on camera what about throwing up onto a small girl in the stands I don't even know what you're talking about

27:32PFT Commenter:Max you can get listen you can get a bumper or a bruise mental trauma is way worse so yeah what about interrupting a podcast and threatening to beat up

27:43Big Cat:one of the producers

27:44PFT Commenter:was that you memes? no oh you do that off camera

27:47Big Cat:no it was big don't

27:50PFT Commenter:he did not disavow you memes that's actually fake news you are fake news All right. There's one person on this show that we've not heard from because they went pretty silent last night. No text on the group chat. I think he said, I'm sick. And then also said, this is worse than the Ray Allen three, which someone aptly pointed out. Like they're like, Hank, your team wasn't involved in either of those games. Well, that was my point.

28:21Big Cat:That was that was that was like that was the worst sports loss. I don't the Ray Allen three like that stung so much specifically like probably because it was Ray Allen like former Celtic playing for the team that I hated the most. So I still think that one was worse and it was like a game. You know, it was it was game six versus game four, but I didn't I lost sleep. I lost a significant amount of sleep because of that game. I was sick about it. Even Darren Fox like he I think it was in the fourth quarter maybe late in the third quarter where he just had one of those turnovers where he just threw.

28:55Big Cat:He had no one in front of him, and he just passed the ball out of bounds. It was in between Wemby and one of their guards. He just passed it to no one. Ball went out of bounds, turnover. From that point on, I was watching it with my brother, and we're like, Darren Block's been bad, bad, bad, bad. And then he proceeded to have the worst fourth quarter of all time. But yeah, I'm sick about it. I don't really know what to say. I don't know. I'm not going to fake congratulate them. I was not happy for them. I'm not happy for them. I don't want them to watch them win game five in San Antonio. Like, I don't know what you want me to say.

29:34Big Cat:No, I love this. I don't know what you want me to say. I like the European as honest as possible. It felt like the Spurs were in complete control. It was obvious. Obviously, they were not going to stay as hot. They weren't going to score 79 points in the second half. But I think they scored 15 points by the time there was five minutes left in the fourth quarter. It was just such a tough watch. And just the court side performative fans and Taylor Swift and all these people going crazy. It was disgusting. It was nothing short of disgusting. There was no double fist pumps, no real fan movement. No pump faking a ball.

30:14Big Cat:They knew the camera was on them. Hank, I do have a question about one thing that you said, that you're not happy for them. but you did say that you want New Yorkers to win something because they've gone through such a long period of losing. I didn't say I want them to win something. I've always joked about how long it's been since they haven't won something, so this would take that joke away. But, I mean, the series is over. It's over. Like you said, PFT, there's no way that the Spurs have what it takes to close three more games.

30:46PFT Commenter:I don't think I said that. I said that, but yeah.

30:49Big Cat:they don't have what it takes to close three more games this series is over it's only a matter of time they could be up three to one pretty easy like they're they're you know three probably three plays away from being up three to one darren fox the fact that he has a max contract is disgusting he completely choked that game away we should be talking about josh hart we're not and i'm sick about it i don't know that that's it that's it all right now it's you're right. We're not talking about, do you want the opportunity to talk about Josh Hart? Do you want to live in a fancy world? Let's pretend that it is what it is.

31:26Big Cat:We live. Life is live. We're in reality. Life is life. The next one and Josh Hart missing that layup and not boxing out. It doesn't matter.

31:34PFT Commenter:Are you like when you're watching the game? What point were you like? Oh my God, this is actually happening. I mean,

31:45Big Cat:once they got the lead, like once, once he missed, I mean, he missed the layup, and it was like, oh, that's going to be it. That was going to push them to complete the comeback. And when he missed that, it was like, oh, there's a chance.

32:01Big Cat:But, yeah, I honestly thought the Spurs were going to win. Like, missing the layup and not boxing out, it's like, that was huge. The Spurs almost blowing that and still winning the game, like, that's going to be kind of a catalyst for them to, If they had won that game, I feel like they could have closed out two more games because they kind of felt that. They choked a lead, but they still pulled it out. And now it's tied. They're going back home. They have home court advantage back. They can win this series. And to blow that the way they did. And they had an open look. Obviously, when you watch it in slow-mo, slow-mo makes everything look obvious.

32:37But he just didn't time the jump.

32:41Big Cat:He threw the inbound as Cat was jumping up in the air. Like, if you just time the jump when he's coming down, like, that doesn't happen. It was everything bad that could have happened happened. What do you think we'd be saying if OG doesn't tip that ball in? Would we be like, hey, Jalen Brunson, what a terrible shot that was? Yeah. I mean, the shot was probably, that was probably the play and it was to give them a chance for a rebound. So I don't think, I mean, it was from deep. Like, it was a pretty crazy long shot.

33:12PFT Commenter:but I do think Jalen Brunson was like, now that De 'Aaron Fox has come over to me, we have four on three on the boards. I got to chuck this up now.

33:25Big Cat:Yeah, and it was a great, I mean, it was like OG got so high up, it was perfectly timed. It was the worst kind of destiny.

33:33PFT Commenter:Hank, is there a small part of you, and I respect the hell out of you being a hater, real hater, like admitting it, but is there a small part of you that's like, I just watched an all-time sports moment, and it was just so clouded by hate I couldn't enjoy it. Because I don't really... Yes. I want my guys to be happy, but I also don't really care who wins the NBA Finals. I just want good games. So in the moment, I was just watching and being like, this is incredible. What I'm watching is incredible. It's not like I was rooting for the Knicks, but I was just appreciating how incredible it was.

34:07Big Cat:No, I was sick about it. I remember the Ray Allen game. I was dating a girl who was living in Boston. She was at work, and I was at her apartment. Her roommate was home, but she wasn't even watching the game. And I was screaming at the TV, and I was lying on the floor after, just in pain and misery. And then she came and was like, what is going on? And that's what it felt like. I was just... How did you explain that one to her? It was just like the heat won the game. Ray Allen hit a three and she was like, uh, okay. I didn't know you were a Spurs fan. Yeah, no. I mean, she wasn't even following basketball.

34:43Big Cat:She was just like, uh, can you get off the floor? Like, this is weird. But yeah, it brought me back to that moment. It was like, it's a pit in your stomach, like sickness. Like, yeah, there's no way that just happened. There's no way that just happened. And it's not even a Celtics game. Like I shouldn't feel as bad about this as I do, but I did. One thing that we can all take a little comfort in is, yeah, the Spurs have had almost a series of dynasties. It looks like they might be on the cusp of maybe another one if Wimby turns into the player we think he's going to be. They've also had three of the most iconic, last-minute, heartbreaking, soul-crunching defeats in the playoffs.

35:24Big Cat:So there was the Ray Allen shot. There was the one last night from Oji. Then the Derek Fisher shot against him after they took the lead on that Tim Duncan fadeaway. with, what, 0.4 seconds left in the game?

35:35PFT Commenter:They've had some bad ones. Yeah, when you're as good as the Spurs franchise, then you're going to be in those moments. But, yeah, no, it's a good point. Yeah. Hank, I'm surprised that you didn't jump on what memes said. The Celtics trained the Knicks. You should take credit for it.

35:54Big Cat:No.

35:56PFT Commenter:Blowing leads. They didn't train it. They caused this.

36:00Big Cat:You had an opportunity to kill the Knicks, but you let them live.

36:05PFT Commenter:Oh, okay, that's worse for you.

36:07Big Cat:If they lose to the Celtics in that second-round matchup, they blow it up. Instead, they believed. And then, this year, they blew a 3-1 lead as the favorites to win the championship against a bad Sixers team. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the NBA Finals like that. This has nothing to do with the Celtics. But if that's the route you want to take, if you're one game away, you're going to San Antonio to potentially watch your team win an NBA championship, and you're thinking about the Celtics, I win. We were talking about reality a second ago, and when you look at the past, it is prologue. And last year, Memes is right, that when you lost to the Knicks, you gave up your chance to end whatever it was they were trying to build.

36:54Big Cat:I mean, our best player tore his Achilles. That's a huge asterisk. At what point in the series? There's still a couple games left. What was the record in the series winning towards Achilles? 2-1? Or 1-2? Maybe 0-2? I don't know.

37:10PFT Commenter:What was it, Mims? It was 2-1. Okay.

37:13Big Cat:Yeah, 1-2.

37:17PFT Commenter:Yeah, that was a hell of a night. And I'm so happy the boys get to go. I mean, the fact that they're going to be in the building with the trophy. At what point did you think that dawn on both of you? One hour after the game. Yeah.

37:33Big Cat:I just screamed at my apartment.

37:35PFT Commenter:You're like, oh, shit. Because game five would have been much different if you don't come back. If you get absolutely worked, if it's first half, second half, exact same, Knicks lose by 30, you're going to game five with, like, this is all falling apart. The sky is falling.

37:53Big Cat:I was in bed on the rewatch and when they started picking up again I was like oh yeah this could be it they're gonna do it yeah you gotta rewatch how many rewatches do you think you're gonna have and side question will you also rewatch the first half so I ran it all the way through so I was just like let's see the build up again see how it goes

38:13PFT Commenter:yeah see if this goes our way again I mean the Spurs were so good in the first half yeah I mean you do know that you have to you have to win this series because if you don't, last night is just not didn't exist.

38:27Big Cat:It would maybe even be worse than not. It would exist, but as a joke. Yeah. Like if you have Taylor Swift and Haim doing a jig at center court, if you've got Tracy Morgan crying and puking and shitting and then crying again and then laughing, it's going to be funny to look back on. This is what you should look forward to, Hank.

38:46PFT Commenter:As a hater, if they do not win this series, game four, literally never happened. And PFT's right. It's more of a joke than anything. It's not the best game ever. It's like, how did they lose that series?

38:57Big Cat:I won't. That won't cross my mind until it's 3-3. And that's not going to happen. You're going to actually, it will turn into your favorite game ever. Yeah. If they blow this. Yeah. It'll be like, remember when you celebrated winning the NBA championship after game four. If the Spurs can get it 3-3, I will entertain that thought. But until then.

39:14PFT Commenter:Do you think there's a chance to get it to 3-2? Nope. You think it's over on Saturday night?

39:19Big Cat:I hope not. Zach and memes. Actually, whatever. I don't care. This series is over.

39:30PFT Commenter:Sounds like you should say congrats.

39:31Big Cat:If they're going to celebrate. He's thinking about it. You're going to be watching the game, though, and you're going to be rooting against the Knicks. Obviously. Yeah, so it's like, don't even try and say this. No, but the series is over. I guess, eh, whatever. Don't, yeah. I was going to say it'd be nice for Zach and memes, but like. But you don't mean it. You can't even say that.

39:49PFT Commenter:No, no, you can't say that. You don't feel that.

39:52Big Cat:Zach and memes, have you guys thought about what you're going to be wearing to the game? Very important. I think Pillar's sending us some shirts. I also have a Bing Bon hanky shirt that I wear. Oh, you with the trophy.

40:05PFT Commenter:Makes my tits pop. And it's also going to be like so many Knicks fans there.

40:10Big Cat:I think it's going to be 75%.

40:13PFT Commenter:I don't think it's going to be 75 % memes. There's a lot of Knicks fans. 75 %? to clinch the finals? In San Antonio. Yeah, everyone should just head to San Antonio. But then all the Spurs fans have to sell their tickets.

40:29Big Cat:That's true.

40:31PFT Commenter:I think it'll be a solid 25-30%. I'll think a little bit more. I'll take the over on that as well. You think... I think higher than... I think they're going to flock. You guys are... They'd have to sell all their tickets. This isn't an hour and a half drive.

40:52Big Cat:No. It's a flight to watch a closing championship game. There are just so many New Yorkers. There are, and they don't have championship fatigue. It's not like... And it's a Saturday. Yeah. It's not like Ohio State football fans traveling every postseason. I think there's a chance. Okay. This is like Indiana, like the long-dormant massive fan base. Yeah. You haven't had anything to spend your money on in the past. You're going to go to this one. All right. You should get Larry O 'Brien nipple rings if you win memes.

41:20PFT Commenter:In. That'd be so sick. That'd be so sick. Yeah, thanks again at TickPick. We have more coming with TickPick starting in July, but incredible. We're so excited for our boys. Well, almost all of us are so excited for our boys to go to San Antonio. Max, are you excited for them?

41:38Big Cat:Yeah, I mean, I don't like the Knicks. I'm not saying I was jumping for joy when the Knicks won that game. No, I wasn't either. But, like, it's cool. Like, I can acknowledge that it's cool for them, but I can't say that I'm. I can acknowledge that, too. Like, I bet on the Spurs going into that game yesterday, and then I bet on the Knicks midway in the end of the third quarter because I felt like they were coming back. Like, for most of the game, I was rooting for the Spurs, and then I bet on the Knicks, and I was rooting for the Knicks. Like, I'm just not really letting it affect me one way or the other.

42:12Big Cat:Right. Me neither.

42:13PFT Commenter:Yeah, I'm going, like, straight reporter mode. journalist mode. I'm just enjoying the hell out of the series. I just want more basketball.

42:20Big Cat:That's why I will... I think in theory I want the Spurs to win so I get more basketball. But in reality, I think I would rather have Memes and Zach get that moment, winning a championship in front of their faces.

42:33PFT Commenter:Well, more basketball and also more Spurs fans getting beat up. Remember Memes and Zach asked for that? Yeah, they wanted that. More eggs thrown. They both personally requested that.

42:43Big Cat:Zach, I'm going to give you an opportunity to make it up. Don't throw eggs at Memes and Zach in San Antonio. Don't do that. That's me and Hank. If you do, if you do, just say like, Hank told us not to, and then me and Zach will just bring in a carton of eggs on Sunday and not throw them at Hank.

43:04PFT Commenter:Mutually assured discussion. Yeah, declare yourself as someone who's... A Hank loyalist. Who's specifically not throwing eggs at you as you throw an egg at him because of Hank.

43:15Big Cat:And if you really do, cage-free, free-range. You know, at least like some ethically sourced eggs. Not the head. Zach, I'm going to give you an opportunity to try this again. Pump-up speech. New York Knicks, Saturday. Right now? Go. Yeah. Gentlemen, we're one game away. For a moment, all of you have worked towards your entire lives. The sacrifices you've made, the sacrifices your families have made, to get here to the precipice of basketball. All those hard evenings, all those early mornings, the moments you thought you were going to quit, they build up to this right here. You got to go out there and show them why.

43:59Big Cat:You were built for the moment. Not everybody's built for the moment, but today you are. One win away. Do it for yourselves. Do it for the people you love. Do it for the sport that you love. let's go get this win boys nice much better much better i disagree i don't the crime one was wait

44:21PFT Commenter:that one was i got pumped also zach can i just on the ad like ps yeah director's cut yep yeah ps if we don't get this win boys don't worry more spurs fans will get their noses cracked Back to crime only on court. All right. We're going to do Stanley Cup final and a little World Cup, and then we'll get to our interviews. Then we have a bonus preview for Mount Rushmore. We're doing a little friendly for Mount Rushmore, a preseason Mount Rushmore with Hank's dad and Firefest. Before we do that, the summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way.

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46:06PFT Commenter:Okay, we're back talking about the Stanley Cup final and the Carolina Hurricanes are one game away from lifting the cup. The cup will be in the building for game six in Vegas on, what is it, Saturday night, I believe? No, Sunday night. Sunday night will be the cup will be in the building. And PFT, the Vegas Golden Knights have a Carter Hart problem because he has given up five straight games. He's given up four goals, a minimum four goals. It's a Carter Hart problem. I feel like, listen, I'm not a hockey guru. None of us are. But I think this might be the time, and it probably was the time before game five to go to the guy who won you a cup in Aiden Hill.

46:56Big Cat:Yeah. Carter Hart's been pretty bad. And then on the other side, the Knights have a Bussie problem. Bussie is electric. He's the Bussie of the year. I don't know if he's – there's been some pushback calling him a rookie because he's so old, but it is his rookie season. He's on fire right now. He was awesome tonight. And, yeah, it was another good hockey game. no real late drama it looked like maybe at the end the uh the knights might threaten to get within one but um it wasn't a nail biter like the other ones yeah and there was that that one goal i think

47:31PFT Commenter:it was goal two by the hurricanes so nasty the hurricanes i mean they they i i've started to like watching them play hockey because they just absolutely stay on top of you like the you we've talked to a bunch of our hockey guys and they've said it and like after they've said it and i've and be able to watch it more. They just give you no time to breathe whatsoever, and it's fun to watch because you just know they're just going to – they come at you in waves, and they do not stop. Oh, we just had a goal. We just had a goal. Chachia just scored. Oh, you guys are ahead of me. Sorry. It might also be VAR, so we'll see.

48:08Big Cat:Hopefully the robot steps in.

48:09PFT Commenter:My favorite part – oh, yep. The flag is up. I love the World Cup because if a guy scores a goal, everyone just immediately points to the ref to be like, hey, you got to check that.

48:21Big Cat:I've got a couple problems with just the new wave of VAR in soccer. It does feel like you're looking at everything, and you can't get away with a foul anymore. And I know that it helps the refs get it right ultimately, but there's an art, just like in any other sport, to getting away with stuff. Like if you made every little ticky-tack holding call reviewable in the NFL, it would kind of suck for defensive backs. But in soccer now, it looks like you just can't get away with shit.

48:51PFT Commenter:Yeah. By the way, all right, so back to hockey real quick because then we are going to talk a little bit. Yeah, goals off. We're talking a little bit of World Cup. But so the stat is Carter Hart is the first goalie to concede four plus goals in each of the first five games of a Stanley Cup final. You have to go to Aiden Hill. You just have to. Like there's just, I don't understand. So Tortorella was asked if consider going to Aiden Hill in the third period. He said, oh Christ, that might be the stupidest question I've ever heard. Well, so maybe they won't go to Aiden Hill. I feel like Torts has heard stupider questions than that.

49:28Big Cat:Definitely. That's not that dumb of a question.

49:30PFT Commenter:Especially your goalie that's given up four plus goals in five straight games in the Stanley Cup final. That's a reasonable question to at least ask. I would say great question.

49:40Big Cat:Yeah, great question. it is it was good to see Ajo kind of get off the schneid I think he was on what like a five game goalless streak and then Jordan Stahl is just a beast too and you're right these hurricanes are a lot more fun than they have been for the last four years

49:58PFT Commenter:yeah they've been awesome to watch yeah and Jordan Stahl he just keeps on doing I mean he's what do we say I think he's 37 years old I'll check that but the fact that he just every single game that's so that that's that's every single game in the stanley cup final he scored a goal it's insane to watch and yeah yeah like i don't know if you're a vegas golden light fan which we're literally just talking to to blutman right now it hasn't gone well the last two games and uh it feels like you had the series you know if you go even back to to game two and then ever since essentially game three when they the 30 i know they ended up winning that game, the three goals in 39 seconds.

50:42PFT Commenter:But from that point on, it feels like, oh, Korea just scored. It feels like the series has been tilted towards the Hurricanes, even though, again, they lost that game. But from that point on, they have just been dominant.

50:59Big Cat:Yeah, I'm looking for a flag. Yeah, find a flag. Not getting a flag. I think the main difference tonight was the crank. Yeah. They had Mike Commodore. Commodore. Our boy, our boy, Commie. We need to get him on part of my take. He's probably the funniest person I've ever spoken with. He'll just talk for like two hours, and it's like every line is a punchline. That dude is the man. When I saw he was on the crank, I knew it might be a Canes kind of night.

51:25PFT Commenter:Yeah. Yeah. He looked like a crazed man on that crank, and we said the series was going to be decided by the crank off, and pulling out Commodore in game five was a huge move. Commodore over T-Pain right now. if you're looking at advanced analytics. I've always said that. Yeah. Do you think that the Knights finish it off? Do you think that after this weekend we'll have no more finals? No. I think Stanley Cup's going seven. Oh, okay.

51:54Big Cat:With or without Carter Hart and Nett? I think they're going to make a change. I think Torts was – the fact that he said that's the dumbest question he's ever been asked kind of tells me that he – That's some little projecting right there. He thinks the Lady Gath protests too much.

52:10PFT Commenter:Yeah, I think – I guess if you could spin zone it, it was a good move by Torch to answer that way to if for some reason he has to stick with Carter Hart, you didn't just submarine his confidence. I don't know how his confidence could be lower, but you didn't make it – you didn't personally make it lower. You kept it status quo.

52:32Big Cat:Maybe he was saying it's the dumbest question he's ever heard because of course he's going to take them out. True. Good point. Yeah, like no duh, dude. He's given up a million goals. Did you not hear that he's the first goalie to allow five goals in his first Stanley Cup games? Mm-hmm.

52:47PFT Commenter:All right. World Cup real quick. We started the World Cup. Mexico wins the inaugural game of the 2026 World Cup. Two nothing with three red cards. Red. Oh.

53:00PFT Commenter:This game is crazy right now. Watch that PFT There's a live PFT replay Of just how close they came to scoring right there It is a corner It is a corner Yes The corner bet has hit I love betting corners If anyone knows What a good corner bet is Please start sending me Because I will bet every corner Only overs But if you're like hey this game is going to have a lot of corners Just hit me up I'd appreciate that because there's something about corners because like soccer, you know, you're going to get only two or three goals. It feels like you're if you bet the over in the game, you're going to end up with a VAR that's fucks you one way or the other corners.

53:45PFT Commenter:You just get corners. You get corners and they keep coming.

53:49Big Cat:Number five has a throw in like it's a corner kick.

53:52PFT Commenter:Yeah, that was crazy. But yeah, so the World Cup has started and we're getting ready for USA tonight. And yeah, the three red cards was nuts, though. They were playing 10 on nine at the end of the South Africa and Mexico.

54:05Big Cat:So in the last World Cup in Qatar, guess how many red cards there were for the entire tournament?

54:10PFT Commenter:I'm going to guess two because you said it.

54:13Big Cat:No, there were four. Oh, okay. There were four for the whole tournament. And then there were three in the opening match, which I saw Clint Dempsey saying, like, they're just they're setting a tone. They're just like it's like in the preseason when when refs like have a point of emphasis that they'd like to get across. That's what that game was. everybody was watching it three red cards they're like yeah we're not going to take any shit they're going to take plenty of shit just uh you know when the games start to mean something they'll keep the cards in their pocket but hopefully i guess their strategy is just like scare them for the group stage yeah and uh yeah i'm a little bit nervous i'm a little bit nervous going into tomorrow because uh if we lose the the nerves are just going to swallow us alive and there's Absolutely zero excuse to not making out of this group.

55:00Big Cat:I think I was talking to Titus about this earlier today. I think that if the United States does not make it out of their group, meaning they finish in third or more likely fourth, because I think half the third place teams are going to get out. We should just eliminate soccer in the United States. We should stop playing soccer. Make it against the law. If you see a child with a soccer ball, take it away, stab it, deflate it, stab the ball stab the ball make that clear deflate the ball throw it away light it on fire it should be illegal to play soccer in the united states if we don't make it out of this group that's what i've been saying and that's how that's how favorable the conditions are in this tournament and if it doesn't happen then that's it you know what i was about to say we had a good run we had a terrible run let's never do it again take our ball go home play real football that's

55:49PFT Commenter:what i've been saying i think we are i think we're gonna get out of group stage i think so too yeah Okay anything else I think that's it We got an awesome rest of the show

55:58Big Cat:One last thing For the World Cup I did consult our two top football experts Tom Fernelli and Brandon Walker To give their picks On who can win the World Cup Much like they did for College football this year And Tom won that Brandon's teams are Spain, Germany Portugal, Netherlands And then he threw in the United by God states of the by God of America.

56:25PFT Commenter:Okay.

56:25Big Cat:And then Tom Pernelli's teams, France, England, Brazil, Argentina. He didn't. Tom didn't pick Italy. Yeah, I was pretty shocked by that, too. I think I don't think they can. What? What do you mean, Max? No, it was not in it. Oh, no. Why not? They're one of the best teams in the world. Yeah, they won one recently, too.

56:49PFT Commenter:Yeah, they're not in it? That's crazy.

56:52Big Cat:They won last time, though, right? Huh? They won the last World Cup, you mean? No, they weren't in it that World Cup, either.

56:58PFT Commenter:They've been in it two times in a row?

57:00Big Cat:Yeah, they either like to win it or they don't like to be in it.

57:05PFT Commenter:Got it. That's the only two outcomes? Pretty much, yeah. Okay. That's crazy. All right, let's get to the rest of the show. We got Spencer Hawes, who's at Game 5 at MSG. We have Brett Bielema, both those guests in studio. Then we have a very special Mount Rushmore with Mr. Lockwood in studio and Firefest. okay before we get to our good friend long time guest spencer haas uh in studio we're brought to you by reese's nothing beat summer break when you were a kid it was a time off from school and sad school lunches but you don't get summer break as a grown-up and that's a huge bummer but the good news is you can at least take a break from sad work lunches this summer with reese's limited edition cups and the return of the reese's strawberry pb and j plus the all-new new Reese's Marshmallow Cup, which, by the way, incredible.

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59:50PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest, a long-time guest, one of our... When were you first on, Spencer? 2016?

1:00:00Big Cat:16.

1:00:01PFT Commenter:Yeah. 2016. It's been a while.

1:00:03Big Cat:Spencer Hawes. Spencer's one of two people in the world that got the recurring guest t-shirt. Yes. I actually have two of them. What? Yeah. Don't hog at all. How'd you get two of them? I'll bring one back. Okay. I don't know how... Well, one of you guys, I don't know.

1:00:15PFT Commenter:But Spencer's here randomly. So he's here for a bachelor party in Chicago. And I was like, we're thinking about who we should have on today. And Spencer was at MSG for game four. The greatest comeback in NBA finals history. Now. Oh, God. The part I didn't realize, which kind of hurts because we haven't taped for everyone listening right now. We haven't taped the full show yet. We haven't done the full recap of the game. I forgot that you were childhood friends with Mitch Johnson. So, yeah. How's that going right now? You know, you win game five. We got to keep it going. Yep. Maybe they're too young to know what they've gotten into.

1:01:01But, no, it wasn't great. That was not a lot of fun. Well, it was a lot of fun until it wasn't. And, God, it just kind of kept happening. You're like, all right, they'll stop. It'll stop the bleeding. and then credit to the Knicks. They just don't go away. They've done this all playoffs, but fuck, that one stung.

1:01:18Big Cat:I can give you a spin zone because I have used this one myself. I'm a fan of the Washington Commanders. Their head coach, Dan Quinn, always gets discussed with a 28-3. He was good enough to get a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl. That's pretty fucking good. They scored 76 points in the first half of an NBA finals game. They had a 29-point lead. That's pretty good. That's insane, dude. I checked fucking Twitter this morning. I made that mistake. And the first thing that popped up was that comparison. So, yeah. Good coaches. They've been up, what, 15 points in every game at some point. And, you know, they're young.

1:01:54They're going to make mistakes. But spin zone. Like I said, they're going to flip it. Maybe they're so young and they don't know the difference.

1:02:03PFT Commenter:Yeah. Game five. Game five. Go back to guarding game six. See what happens. It is. I do think it's not fair. Because Wemby has been so good and the Spurs team has been so much fun that we forget that every single guy, this is essentially their first playoffs, including Mitch Johnson, which is like it's almost like we're putting the criticism on them like they're a battled team that's been there time and time again and they're blowing it. It's like this is what happens. This is why it's so hard to win an NBA Finals when you haven't been in the playoffs before. It's hard to win it in any scenario.

1:02:36and I was trying to be optimistic this morning. I was thinking of I'm trying to stay positive and then I had a negative memory. I thought back to my Clippers team that also blew a pretty sizable advantage in that series, 2015. And you feel it coming when you're on the other side of it. And I think we're up 20 going in the fourth quarter of the first game we lost at home. and the momentum can shift by the game. I mean, obviously by the half in the playoffs. Like last night's perfect example. But, you know, you never know how long you're going to have it. You don't want to ever let go of it. But it can shift quickly and it does shift quickly.

1:03:18And the Spurs can get that back. You know, they've started well every game. That hasn't been an issue. You worry about that a lot with younger teams. Get off to a good start. Ride the home court advantage.

1:03:29PFT Commenter:Okay, I got a question off that, but I have another positive spin zone in a second. But the question on that, you talk about being on the Clippers 20-point lead blown in the playoffs. What's said in the huddle when that starts to shift? Is it like, because it felt like the Spurs for a minute there had figured out like, hey, we're not making any shots. We got to attack the basket. They're getting to the free throw line a little bit. It felt like they settled it in there. And then you have the Carl Anthony Towns three, which was insane. You have, you know, like all these things happen. and it just like it what happened in the second half and maybe you could tell me i'm wrong but it felt like they just started settling a little too much for the three pointers and for like wendy not going inside it's like sometimes you just got to barrel your way inside and just get to the free throw well in in that fourth quarter they were in the bonus i think with eight or nine minutes you know a lot you have to take advantage of that uh but it's you know the quick threes i think were what really killed them down the stretch in that second half.

1:04:29They shot 60-some percent in the first half. You kind of know, even when it's rolling, you know water's going to find its level. But I think some of those quick shots and get a rebound, the three's open, yes, that's statistically the best time to shoot a three, but time and score, and they're learning it the hard way.

1:04:47Big Cat:Yeah, there was that one sequence that was like miss three, offensive rebound, miss three, offensive rebound, miss three, defense rebound. Yeah, you're right. Like to clock, you need to be aware that each possession is actually to a certain extent worth points. And every 10 seconds you run off, you know, deeper in, you get a reset, you run off 10 seconds, that all adds up to them. That's how you run the clock out. And concurrently, I swear when the Knicks get an offensive rebound, which they're incredible at, it's like they convert it every time. Yeah. I can remember one off the top of my head in the series where they missed it, but like they just do an incredible job of making teams pay when they give up the offensive rebounds.

1:05:24and that's one of the things they're best at.

1:05:26Big Cat:Yeah, so as a big man, I want to hear your perspective on Wimby because we debated this on last show whether or not Wimby was a dirty player because he's starting to like – the word's getting tossed around a little bit now. He plays with an edge. He's angry sometimes. But what I saw over the last few games is I think players are starting to realize that he's got a temper and he's young and he doesn't necessarily know how to control that. But they'll just kind of like nudge him around, give him a little elbows, just beat him up a little bit, knowing that if you do it to him, he will eventually snap in a big way.

1:05:58Big Cat:And it's, god damn, it's easy to catch Wimby when he, like, pushes somebody because he's got the dull seam arms that go flying out there. It's hard to control those things. It's hard to control those things. Yeah. So they'll know that he'll, like, he'll flip out if you just kind of fuck with him enough. Is that, do you think that that's something about, like, Wimby just being young? Or is it more than that? I think that's part of it. I don't think he's a dirty player. I think I personally, I love the elbow in the Minnesota series. I think everybody's got a breaking point. It kind of reminds me when I was a kid and you're so much bigger than the other kids and they weren't hanging on me like that by the time I got to the NBA.

1:06:35But they beat you up, they're hanging on you, they're grabbing you, and you kind of get to your breaking point. And I think as he gets older, as he matures, he'll learn how to channel that better. But they're doing a lot of shit to him too. and I think a lot of that gets missed. You always – it's like getting in a fight at school. They always catch the person that retaliates and he does have some long-ass arms. He's got a mind of their own.

1:07:00PFT Commenter:That was my other spin zone with Wemby. I do think in game four you could see it and it's happened a bunch in these playoffs when it's only one day off in between. He does kind of run out of gas and that is – like the Knicks are trying to run him. That's what they're – you can't really beat – I think we found like trying to beat him up is not really working. It's you got to run him to the point where he gets gassed. And that's when he starts to float out and become like a guard and not a 7-5 freak. Now the rest of the series, you got two days in between each game. So he might have his gas. And when he has it, it's like he's so dominant.

1:07:35PFT Commenter:You can see it almost instantly when he comes out and he has that full tank. He's got kind of a pep that's becoming pretty recognizable. It's instant. It's usually like game will start and he'll be like lob at the rim. Well, he just imparts his will so much early. And then, you know, I think that's a good point. He's going to have plenty of time to fill up the gas tank. And you can kind of see it when he shoots. When he's on balance and his momentum is going towards the hoop, it's either a make or it's the back rim. But, I mean, he's too good of a shooter to sometimes have the misses that he does.

1:08:10But when he gets tired and he starts kind of drifting sideways or backwards, it's like anecdotally it seems like not many if any of those ones go in right and that usually speaks to being tired and i mean look none of these guys have played this much basketball in any of their lives this deep in the season at least the guys for the spurs that that are still playing at this point right uh outside of maybe cornet so it's new to all of them and they got to really take advantage of the rest in between between game days because they do have that advantage of being the young team and and have you know having the young legs yeah when did you

1:08:47Big Cat:have the moment last night where you just kind of looked around you're like oh shit uh the oh moment uh it wasn't it wasn't when they took the lead i think i think after that uh after josh hart missed the lip yeah and then the sequence after that i think that was like oh if we can't like Like the garden just went. I mean, it had been fucking crazy.

1:09:13PFT Commenter:Yeah, was that the loudest you'd ever heard of a place? It had to be close. I mean, it was tough because the first, I don't know, 36 minutes of basketball, it was dead. They were going early. They were talking shit. And I was talking my shit. And then I kind of had to start curtailing that a little bit. But no, incredible atmosphere. um but yeah that after that after he smoked that layup and then the sequence after that i was like god damn it this is this is just you get that feeling where whether you'd been up 20 however many points or not you're like they're at home now brunson's got it in his hands alvarado's running around making fucking double twirl layups and shit it's like oh boy yeah the opposite that

1:09:57Big Cat:moment where you could sense like the uh the garden crowd kind of allowed themselves to be a little curious. They were like, huh? What's going on here? That's actually a great description. That was when, I think it was a Josh Hart three from the top. Yeah. Right? It might have been. Was that off a rebound as well? I think it was off a rebound shot well. He had made a three in like three games. This three, it cut the lead, I believe, to 16. Yeah. Which is crazy. You're like, oh, that might be the one. No, but that's the point. It was the 19-16 line. It was just going back and forth. But you get, depending on the lead, you get under that threshold, and now all of a sudden the rim gets smaller, the buttholes start tightening up.

1:10:40It's like that's the point where you – that's why coaches always say, all right, if we can just cut it to 10 by half, we can cut it to 8 by going into the fourth. That's when you know that human nature gets in you, and you just tighten up.

1:10:56PFT Commenter:I think what you were talking about, P.I.T., I think the moment was right at the start of the fourth when it was – I think this fourth started, it was a 15-point Spurs lead, and it might have gone to like 18 or 19. You're like, all right, this is over. And then they got it back, and they're like, wait a second. It was like about nine minutes left. You're like – It might have been, yeah. Yeah, you're right. Curious. Hold on a second. It was a 16-point lead, and they're like, I don't want to say anything,

1:11:17Big Cat:but let's pay attention now. Yeah. And it was quick after that because they were – after that, it was – I mean, we weren't even – until the third quarter, like I expected to be standing the whole time. that's what my buddy that went to game one told me or game sorry game three he's like you're gonna be up the hole I'm like fucking great it sounds awesome and it wasn't really until that point that it's just like the collective all rise yeah I've got you're in church or something I know that uh you have a uh a deep love for Cameron and I've seen I've seen him all over like some of the sports channels talking ball he had a cowboy hat on first take the other day he did yeah I saw that What was the Wu-Tang Clan concert like at halftime?

1:11:56Honestly, I was out getting a beer. I didn't hear any of the ones I was hoping for in the background.

1:12:03Big Cat:They did their new stuff? Yeah. I was like, check out this new shit. Dropping soon. It's like, nah, man. Come on, Raekwon. Play the hits.

1:12:11PFT Commenter:You only got 10 minutes. That is true. I guess, I don't know. I got caught up in the beer line.

1:12:17Big Cat:Did you ever tell the story? You had like a dip set room. I did. At your house. It's now my nursery. oh no way so what was on the wall in the dip set room back now the nursery it wasn't nothing on the wall i had a couple pillows uh a shower curtain and then the uh duvet cover i love that i love that's where the baby's at and uh my wife got rid of that pretty quickly when she moved in yeah

1:12:40PFT Commenter:what uh all right so let's go positive memories you've been following the spurs you've been going sonics now thunder in okc to watch your childhood friend who's from seattle take down that franchise in game seven because you were there right it was it was the fucking greatest like one of my top sports moments playing fan i mean everything's kind of been last minute uh buddy and i flew down there we're like fuck it we gotta go love shout out my wife hannah because she's been awesome She's pregnant right now at home and she's been, she's like, go, you got to go, you know, go support your friend.

1:13:22So it kind of came together quickly. We didn't like book in the hotel room on the flight kind of thing. And I mean, I hate that fucking place. I hate that fucking, I hate that team. I hate that city. I have a great respect for him and I've met friends in the front office, but it's like they they did something they brainwashed the fans down there like we had multiple people telling us uh why do you guys vote to let to to let the team leave why do you want to keep your team they like they spun this fucking narrative and like even after after they win this 70 year old woman's in front of me walking out talking shit to us and it's the same thing why do you guys want your team to leave it's like oh my god watch fucking sonic skate yeah it's like what a uh a guy tells like

1:14:11Big Cat:his new wife yeah this is why i got divorced and then they meet and then they start talking and they're like oh shit wait no he's not such a great guy yeah you should go on a mean girl podcast and talk about it there oh they'd like to dive into that yeah all right no but it was that was pretty it was a pretty special and for me i mean bitch his dad was a john john johnson's sonic champion

1:14:33PFT Commenter:like it's yeah it's in in the bloodline yeah what uh did you have any conversation with mitch about did you give him a heads up that the titties were behind him on the broadcast? I think he's aware at this point. He's been quite something to see every time. They gave him a lot of camera time in that series. Yeah, and then it was like someone higher up must have made a call because all of a sudden you weren't getting those same angles. Yeah, for the NBA Finals. Yeah, we prepared Mike Breen for it. Are the Sonics going to come back? I hope so. Just within the last week, the Kraken ownership group that sounds like they're getting ready to put the bid in for the expansion.

1:15:12Added a pretty flush woman, Melinda Gates, to their crew. So I think they got their whale now, and everything's in place. They got a great arena. The fans are ready, and we're hoping. But we're not going to get too excited. We've been fooled too many times.

1:15:26PFT Commenter:Seattle deserves it. By the way, congratulations on the Super Bowl. Thank you. Yeah. That was an incredible run. Sam Darnold, the guy. The man. Yeah.

1:15:35Big Cat:He's elite. It's been a great sport. you've been at the forefront of bringing the Sonics back, and I do think that we're closer than ever. The only thing I could see standing in the way would be if they say Vegas has to get their team first. I hope they don't do that. That'd be some pretty bad by the marketing department if they let that happen. I would agree with that. I don't know. I don't think that builds brand equity with any of the fans there.

1:15:59PFT Commenter:If the Sonics come back, or when the Sonics come back, I should say, do you think there's a chance maybe you get a 10-day? Retire Sonic. Yeah. That'd be pretty cool. That would be cool. How many minutes could you give a team right now? The Nets. The Nets, a good 12 to 15. Okay. I still play a little bit.

1:16:19Big Cat:Yeah. We're actively looking into the free agent market right now for a backup big man in Washington. I should preface that by saying as a wizard stakeholder. We'd be interested in talking. I told you earlier, I'm Wiz Curious. Yeah. I like what they're doing down there. You should be. You should be. And I think as a season ticket holder, I think that entitles me to make one personnel move. I think that's like the extra thing that they tossed in for me. So I would like to get you a tryout for the Wiz. Yeah. Give me some time to get in shape. Okay. Yeah. You got it.

1:16:48PFT Commenter:Also, congratulations on – I haven't seen you in a couple years. Congratulations on being in a real conference now in college sports. That's been a tough transition. Welcome to the Big Ten. Yeah. We're going to be good this year. Now our quarterback figured out he couldn't. Yeah, the Badgers were so bad it would beat you. So fortunately, I did not watch that game. I was playing in a golf tournament. Oh, that's interesting. And it sounds like I didn't miss much. No, it was a terrible game. And it was probably better than I didn't. Yeah, it sounded like just a shh.

1:17:18Big Cat:I don't think we completed – we completed like one pass or something. Yeah, they were telling me we didn't get past midfield. You had a great first quarter against Ohio State last year. That's true. That was a really good first quarter. Yeah.

1:17:29PFT Commenter:I mean, listen, that stadium is one of my favorite stadiums to watch a game at because the angle's so high, and you can feel it rock. I love something about college football, and you just see Husky Stadium, and you're like, yeah, this is sick. Yeah, I mean, I grew up like earmuffs going. It's my favorite. Like, if you said you get one sporting event in one place, that's it. That's it? Yeah.

1:17:50Big Cat:It's pretty great, yeah. Are you going to go to any World Cup games there? Yes, I got tickets. As of now, I got tickets for Bosnia, Egypt maybe, and then – No love lost when those teams get together. No, no. What a classic. I actually know the one we were talking earlier, you got the pride match. Yeah, that'll be interesting. That ran versus Egypt. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. And then I got a round of 32 in July. Nice. So that could get interesting. Nice, it's going to be fun.

1:18:16PFT Commenter:All right, so my last question, Roback question, RHOBACK.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE. I will have Zach ask a question, but I have a question for you. For the back to the Spurs, what is said now after that? Like, is it, what, how do you get off the map? Because I do think like the craziest part about this series is I actually am now, I went into this series being like, you know, the Knicks are better. The Spurs aren't ready. I think the Spurs are better, but they're not ready. Cause you see game two and game four.

1:18:50PFT Commenter:Those are games that like a seasoned vet team closes and finishes and doesn't have those errors. So what do you say to try to like, cause I still think the Spurs could be in this. If they win game five, you never know. Another good start, but that hasn't been a problem in any of the games of series for them. And I think you've got to come beat the shit out of them at home and send a message that you found something, you've made an adjustment, you've got something that you're going to stick with as it goes along. Get to game six in the garden. You've already proven you can win there.

1:19:25Big Cat:You've also proven you can lose really badly. Well, not really badly, just in heartbreaking fashion. It was a one-point game.

1:19:32PFT Commenter:Horrific fashion.

1:19:33Big Cat:The good news, I don't think that the losses can't get any more heartbreaking. Well, you lose the one that loses the series. That's more heartbreaking. But yeah. I still think that even if that does happen, you point back to last night and you're like, that's the one. No, that was pretty fucking brutal. But you know what? A good team will learn from that and a good team will use that and actually get a lot better. Oh, absolutely. I mean, they've been doing it. They've been resilient all playoffs, and they put themselves in positions in earlier rounds. Look at the Oklahoma City series. They won the game that they needed to at home, and then they went in there and took down the champs.

1:20:09They've proven they can do it. Now it's... Do you still believe? I believe. You believe fully? Spurs in seven.

1:20:15Big Cat:Spurs in seven. And Zach, he's a Knicks fan. Yeah, he's going to game five. Zach, go for his throat, Zach. Wait, you got to put on your headphones.

1:20:24PFT Commenter:Spencer, put on your headphones, yeah. Sorry, it's been a while.

1:20:27Big Cat:We were rusty, boys. Zach, you got this. What's going on, Spencer? How are you today, man? I've been better, Zach. How are you? Full transparency, have a great day, Spencer. I bet you are. I appreciate your time today. I was curious, with the way the Spurs team, I know it's a young team, but 29 points in a playoff game, kind of not being able to close that deal. Do you, at the end of this season, if it doesn't go the way you guys wanted it to go, or the Spurs wanted it to go, I apologize, do you think about maybe moving around some guys, or do you stick with who you got? Like, do you – is there any thought to maybe like, oh, they couldn't do it?

1:21:01Got some – It's tricky because, I mean, it's – everyone says like this is the worst the Spurs are ever going to be. This is their floor. They're going to keep getting better. And I don't know. I'm not a front office guy. I think they clearly have every piece to be able to compete. And I think in a year of growth, it's a tough one because I don't have a straight answer for you. I think there's areas where they need to get better. They need to get bigger. They need to get more rebounding. I think Carter Bryant is going to be that guy. I don't know if that's by next season or not, but there's definitely things they need to address.

1:21:39I don't know whether they have it internally or not, but you better get this one.

1:21:46Big Cat:You think maybe you've got to get this one? I think the league, the Knicks certainly, I think the rest of the league it's going to be, And, you know, if the big fella keeps going how he's going, it could get a little scary. Yeah. If you were to take one part of your game and give it to Wimby and make him the total package, what would that be? A 15-foot post-up, face-up, jab, jump shot. I like that. I think Dirk. Maybe less monks this summer, more Dirk. Yeah. I mean, I could see him doing that. Or do the monks too? Maybe the monks to keep controlling the emotional maturity. Yeah, I mean, I think the monk thing, we looked at that and we were like, oh, this guy's about to unlock something that no one's ever seen in terms of just like tapping into the weird.

1:22:37Big Cat:The third eye. Yeah, it's like when Uma Thurman goes away and kill Bill and then comes back and kills everybody, right? And with Wimby, I don't know, we were discussing this. Do you think Wimby is too French or do you think he's not French enough? i don't see i don't think he's that french i think he's got i think he's got a lot of prick in him which in the best possible way yeah like competitor yeah yeah and i i love that about him and that's why i want him to be able to like channel that at some point he's not your traditional western european basketball player he plays more like a guy from the balkans yeah that's a good point uh memes do you have any questions for spencer memes also nicks fan this mean what you guys are fucking piling on i'll ask i'll ask a friendly one uh where's the best place big pick up big old women in san antonio apparently behind the spurs bench no i think memes is looking for bigger the river walk okay get on the river walk yeah the boys i

1:23:35PFT Commenter:mean listen they're going game five the lob is going to be in the building they've got all their plan set it's gonna be something that it's gonna be rocking and i hope they do the fiesta colors you like those i love that shit it looks gorgeous they gotta go they gotta go all blackout funeral blackout yeah but then if if you lose you wear black to your own funeral yeah true but that's

1:23:57Big Cat:okay then it just becomes like goth like everyone's sad i thought that shit was kind of over yeah no i like the i like the fiesta colors it's just they don't strike me they don't strike the fear of god

1:24:06PFT Commenter:in your opponent yeah it's true you kind of get a little like oh we're at a little party kind of fun yeah i like it have you have you hung out with the team at all have you been around the team yeah i mean this last last few weeks and like there's olenic i remember you graduated with my sister plumley was my tenant and yeah in california so the old guys i know you know the young guys have you seen steph castle smile that's a no man i don't think so that's what i love about him his dad smiles all the time i've seen his dad the last couple games he's the man He's such a – he's a – this is probably going to be a wrong comp and people will be like, this is stupid.

1:24:44PFT Commenter:He's kind of like a mini Jimmy Butler right now. Whereas, like, he's getting to that point. Like, just so good defensively, gets to his spots. Yeah, I – he's got some D-Wade. Yeah, a little bit of that too. I love his game. Yeah, I mean – Defensively, he's just like – that's why Brunson is not – I know he scored 36 on game four, but, like, his shooting numbers haven't been great. Steph Castle's picking him up fucking 80 feet from the basket. I don't know that there's another guy in the league that has a combination of the size that he has and the foot speed, the agility to be able to beat guys to the spot, take the hit in the chest, and have it.

1:25:21Now, he does get a little overzealous with – The fouls, but yeah. He feels a little froggy and he reaches from time to time. But, I mean, that's an incredible ability to have and advantage to have as an on-ball defender.

1:25:32PFT Commenter:Yeah, yeah. All right, Spencer, you're the best. long time one of our first guys ever on the show so we appreciate your support you know we celebrated 10 years but seriously like congratulations you're one of those guys though but you were in the NBA and you're like hey I like these guys it was that that meant a lot to us so it means you know you've always been a friend so appreciate it cheers to the first 10 and many more yes thanks Spencer thanks Spencer

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1:26:55PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, recurring guest head football coach of the illinois fighting illini it is brett bielema in studio who's now i think this is your third or fourth time coming on i think it's three or four it's kind of crazy that we've uh we just become legitimate friends uh through everything all of our history and like i even this past year i met your wife who we had the back and forth with and we've become friends so it's great to have you here it's great to talk football yeah even though we're i think we're probably like 90 days out it's still good to talk some football do you feel it coming 93 days out from our opener okay but we open up on a thursday uh so we're a little bit ahead everybody else but yeah it's 93 days out yeah and you look great you got the hawaiian shirt on why are you dressed like this today you know um i think two things first i want to come on and be comfortable right so i i kind of bring out my uh uh andy reed in herself uh with a with With a Hawaiian shirt, but also just a little Tommy look.

1:27:57Tommy Mahama look. We're a Nike school, but I like to wrap the Tommy every once in a while. It looks good.

1:28:01Big Cat:It's a great looking shirt. And no spring football game for you guys, right? We didn't. You know, I was going to pitch two things to you guys, right? Like first, the well-being of Illinois football, but I know you're into buying big things. We are putting in the largest video board in all of the world. Not just the United States, not just college football. The biggest TV on the planet. TV on the planet. Okay. So our old one is for sale.

1:28:25PFT Commenter:How big is that one? It's big. I don't think it would fit in your gym, but maybe like a section of it. On the roof, maybe? Listen, we could fit. I just bought some goalposts. I heard that. Yeah, yeah. So, hmm, interesting. A scoreboard. I mean, who has a scoreboard? How big is this scoreboard? Because I feel like this happens every year. Yeah, this one's huge. So we have a huge Larry Geese. We also have the Geese School of Business, which is a big school in Illinois. He also is Larry Geese Memorial Stadium now, and he forwarded us a neighborhood of$150,$200 million, and I think a good portion of that is going to this new scoreboard.

1:28:59Buying a new TV for yourself. They actually recommended that we have several practices where the scoreboard is playing, because I think it's kind of the whole Cowboys big jumbotron. You need to look at it before you see it.

1:29:12Big Cat:So where is the new jumbotron going to be located? Is it going to be like at sideline or end zone or what? Kind of a cool setup. I know you guys have been there, but the basketball arena is across the street from us. And then you come into our stadium and it's right in the middle of those two. So it's really cool. When you're coming down the main road into Champaign, this thing's going up. I mean, just the framework is there right now. It's like ginormous. It's just absolutely ridiculous.

1:29:39PFT Commenter:Okay, well, I'm interested in maybe a piece of the old one. The old one would be awesome. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, the electronics. You might want to hit them up. Yeah. I can't believe they can sell it to anybody. Well, yeah. So what are they going to do with it? That's what I'm saying.

1:29:52Big Cat:This office. Yeah, this office. I saw you bought the, there was some banner you bought the other day. I'm like.

1:29:57PFT Commenter:Yeah, the Florida State, but the coach is here today. Yeah, yeah. Dude, you need a scoreboard. Yeah, you got to actually go piss in the Bills trough. I got the Buffalo Bills trough. Appreciate that. So yeah, you're going to have to go do that and sign the wall. All right, what was the second thing? Well, just overall goodwill of Illinois football, I think, would be the big thing. Yeah, see, here's where our friendship has to stop because we are friends, but also you pushed it a little too much because I – But didn't I not give you great college memories? You gave me great college memories, but then I had the thing that I said a couple months ago where I was like, hey, no one from Wisconsin reached out.

1:30:30PFT Commenter:Since then, I've had some really good conversations, got some big stuff coming with Wisconsin NIL. The very first text after the show went live was Coach Bielema being like, hey, just so you know, your money's good here. and I was like, please don't do this. I'm glad they responded. Yeah, you were doing a good job. I mean, listen, you're networking. You know, after we're not going to mention names or teams, but there's a certain Barstool employee that was tied into Michigan and they took one of my guys for a check, right? Yeah, I don't know if he's an employee. He owns the company, but yeah.

1:31:07Big Cat:Yeah, it's partially him. It's partially Larry Ellison. Who's to say who contributes more money?

1:31:11PFT Commenter:We don't know who we're talking about right now. Could be anyone. Anybody. Drifter.

1:31:15Big Cat:Have you paid attention to the bill that's about to go through Congress right now? Because we just talked to a senator the other day, and he kind of explained everything. And it seems like they've got – it's a bipartisan deal. Yeah. So it's not going to be like left wing versus right wing or anything like that. But they've been setting this up with the help of, I guess, a lot of football coaches. And so what are your thoughts on the bill that's going through right now and how it's supposed to make things even? One of the cool things – I'm also on the AFCA, which is American Football Coaches Association.

1:31:41so we have actually hired lobbyists that that work with uh washington on certain things so we've been a privy to this uh quite a bit and um that that bill that you mentioned there's a lot of really good things in it but there's some things also that kind of go contradicting to to what we're trying to get accomplished so like anything probably uh there's some good and some bad but i think anything that could help us get some college football is out of place i'm sure as You guys know you love the game. It's at an unprecedented high. It's absolutely awesome. Players are getting paid. People are watching us more than ever.

1:32:15The atmosphere that we're at, whether we're going to go to 12, 16, 24, whatever it is, I think it's all positive. But there are some things that we just got to get in line, like the spending that's going on, some of the transfer rules. There's just some craziness that goes on right now. The NFL has three good things that go on for them. They have the draft, they have a salary cap, and they have a scheduling that rotates every year based on your performance. Those are three really good things that have made the NFL what it is, and I think the more we pay attention to that in college football, I think the better we be as well.

1:32:46Big Cat:Yeah. And so do you guys have a new defense that you're putting in this year? We did. You're a defensive guy. So my man Johnny Newton had three sacks, right? Yeah. He's going to be an unbelievable player. He's a one-man wrecking ball. He is phenomenal. Should have been a first-rounder. You know, he broke his foot in combine prep, so that's what pushed him to the second round. but he's a phenomenal player and his little brother's on our team as well. But I would say that when I entered the league six years ago, this is going into my sixth year at Illinois, we were running a defense that really only one or two other teams played in the whole league.

1:33:18Last year, at the end of the year, we were playing a defense that 13 other teams played in an 18-man league. So I really – Notre Dame came in and grabbed my defense coordinator, and with that, the chance to move and transition to a new defense was there, and that's why we brought in this 3-3-5, which is a really unique scheme, very unique preparation. We're the only team in our league running it, really one of the few in college football. So the prep for us is going to be very unique and different, and that's the main driving source.

1:33:46Big Cat:Yeah, that's why you guys don't want to do a spring game. You don't want to put that on tape. Well, it's because Big Cat's going to buy the scoreboard. We're putting in the scoreboard where there's like 20 people in the end zone every day watching practice, so we literally couldn't run a spring track. That's exciting stuff, though.

1:34:03PFT Commenter:Yeah, I heard also you said you were talking about college football and the changes and everything. You're down for 32 teams? No, that's bad reporting. Okay, well, I saw the headline. 32 teams. I saw that you wanted 64 teams. Yeah. No, what I said was, I think it was an on three interview, and I said, hey, I would love to have as many teams enter the college football playoffs as humanly possible. I'm not saying 32 because someone floated it. Exactly. 24. I think 24. That's it? Here's two reasons. Everybody wants to get their panties in a bunch about what's going on. I think everybody has to understand there is no time in college football, in my opinion, where the 16th team or the 18th team in the country could possibly win it all.

1:34:47And you look at last year, Miami got in really the last seed, and they were in a national championship game and could have won it. And I just think with NIL, with revenue share, with the transfer portal, teams can literally flip. Look at Indiana, right? Yeah. Two years after a guy takes over, they win a national championship walking away with it. So I think the more you can include, and then I would also argue, you know, the Illinois-Wisconsin game in week 10, when maybe not everybody's paying attention, but we both are at eight wins, we need to get to nine and to get to 10, that game is much more important now than ever before.

1:35:23And I think it would actually enhance the back half of the schedule in viewership and in entertainment value than ever before. So I think the number's 24. Tony Petitti, I think our commissioner, he's five steps ahead of everybody else, and I just think he has seen a vision of this, and I think it would be a really good thing.

1:35:40Big Cat:I don't love the idea of playoff expansion, but if you do it, I feel like you would have to give maybe the top eight seeds a bye to get some competitive games in the first round. And I think two things to this point. If you have a certain ranking in the top, I believe it's actually top eight, you would get guaranteed the second game would be a playoff game at home. Yep, I like that. Which now nobody's going to sit a quarterback or a running back knowing that you could have your first two games, one be a bye and the other one be a home game. You're going to do everything you can to have a playoff.

1:36:15To play a home game, can you imagine Camp Randall in the third week of December? It'd be incredible. It's sick, right? I think the big picture thinking, what we're struggling with, and I love everybody's opinion, and you guys have interviewed quite a few of them, they all want to live in 2010. It's 2026 for a reason. It's a different world. The last three years have changed revenue share, the transfer portal. Teams can't stockpile kids anymore. I have 110 players. 48 % of my roster is new this year.

1:36:47PFT Commenter:It's crazy. It's insane. When I was at Wisco, we would have maybe 20, 25 freshmen come in. That would be the only transition. And they wouldn't play. Yeah, most of them wouldn't play. And now we've got 55 guys that are new. That's nuts. And it's young guys, and it's fifth year. I've got a guy, Jake Renfro, who played two years at Cincinnati for Luke and then played two years at Wisconsin, and now he's on my roster. How crazy is that? Yeah, that is. And he's a multi-year starter, right? So it's just kind of crazy the world we're living in. Now, the expansion, does it have anything to do with the fact that you guys finished right around 24-25 last year and the year before like 16.

1:37:21PFT Commenter:Does that have anything to do with it? It probably factors into it, but I've only been there five years. Okay. Right? So I think the best is yet to come. So I kind of just go back to every year, even two years ago, we beat South Carolina in a bowl game. Everybody said South Carolina should have been in the playoffs two years ago. No, it was a tight bowl game. We had to manage the clock right and do the right things. But if you give me two weeks of prayer, I'll get anybody. I really believe that, right? If you can get healthy, get where you need to be, and you have the right quarterback, you have the right scheme, you have the right personality, anybody can get anybody on any given Saturday, especially if you haven't played before.

1:37:56PFT Commenter:Now, I noticed, too, in talking about that, you said a guy went to Indiana and won it in two years. You didn't say his name. Six? Yeah. I got all the pleasure in the world. Sounds like you really like him. I do like it because here's what I do like. It's funny. In our league, we've got 18 teams, right? A lot of different personalities in that room. You know, the guy I'm probably closest to, it sounds crazy, and I know a lot of people are going to say, like, who's he very similar to, but, like, I really enjoy, you know, I played and coached at Iowa, right? Yeah. Got the Iowa tattoo. Yeah. He's an unbelievable coach, an unbelievable guy, right, where it's at.

1:38:37But Signetti, the one thing that he did is he has talked the talk. Yeah. From the day he's walked it. And I like people that represent who they are every day. I think the greatest thing you can bring an organization is consistency and communication. And that guy has been the same guy every day, and he communicates very, very well, right? And I think that's a part that I really respect in what he does. And obviously, nobody can even question what he did this year. It's just truly special.

1:39:03Big Cat:Your game last year against Indiana, what happened at the very start? I know that the score got out of hand at the end, but the first quarter, Indiana was famous for just having just – they would just get to, you know, incredible leads really early in the game. So how did that game start? Well, it started off very bad for us, so we kind of exchanged punt, and then we went to line up and punt, and they blocked our punt for a touchdown. So that started. But then we threw a touchdown right away. We had a big strike loop, hit a big pass, and so it was kind of a back-and-forth game that first quarter.

1:39:33But then second quarter on, it just turned into a landslide. I told my coaches on Wednesday, actually Tuesday after our first practice, on Tuesday afternoon. I said, hey, these coordinators, in my opinion, in 18 years or 17 years at that point of being in this business, they know what you're going to do before you know what you're going to do. I think those two guys, offensively and defensively,

1:39:51Big Cat:are the best I've ever seen in all of college football. JMU. Exactly. And they did it at JMU. They've been together a long time. They don't leave, I think, for a reason, right? They like what they're being told, how they're being told what to do, and the guy that's leading them. So eventually they'll become head coaches. but I think their coordinators are extremely special. Have you had to make any adjustments, or have you taken anything from what Indiana's been able to do? Absolutely. We compete against them, I swear. There was a tight end a year ago that transferred from Wisconsin, and he was just kind of a role player there, but he had actually been to my youth camp when I was a coach there.

1:40:27His dad sent me a picture of him when he was in fourth grade, and I tried to get in on him.

1:40:32Big Cat:What did that text look like? He looks like he could play for you, coach. Well, so I remember because he actually had, I believe he might have had another team's jersey on at my youth camp. He wasn't going to go, and it was kind of, I remembered it when it popped in my head, right, and the dad sent it to me, and we tried to get it on him. We offered him a little bit of money, but the number he got offered there was quite a bit more, and he got drafted, I believe, in the fourth round this year, right? They have really done a good job, in my opinion. So the O-line coach there, Bob Bostad, was my O-line coach when I was at Wisconsin.

1:41:02and they've built the program from the foundation level. Nobody goes in and says, hey, look at this second-story bathroom I got. They always build on the foundation, and that's what Indiana did. They built on the foundation of O-line and D-line play, and they obviously built around it, and that's what made them what they are.

1:41:20PFT Commenter:And it's nice to see that the Big Ten, you know, I'm not like a conference over everything guy. I loved your question to Lane the other day. It was awesome. Yeah, well, he – listen, Lane, let's talk about that. Lane's kind of living in the past a little bit where it's like they keep talking about how oh the SEC is so much stronger it's so much stronger the Big Ten yeah I get it it's 18 teams there's a couple teams at the bottom that have not been great Wisconsin being one of them but there's some really good teams in the Big Ten and I feel like that it has evened out a lot more and and you can see it with who's winning the national titles I think perspective is everything right And I'm sitting here as a 56-year-old dude, and I know what I've learned in my 55 years on this earth.

1:42:03And the year 56 is based off of what I've learned. And I remember I was at Wisconsin. We were going back, if you remember, when they were dividing the teams into leaders and legends.

1:42:12PFT Commenter:Oh, yeah. I have a sweatshirt that is – Leaders and legends? No, it's just the legends. It's just the map of the Big Ten West because I miss those days. So we're sitting in a Big Ten meeting, and I'm pissed because a 25-year study showed that the two winningest teams in the Big Ten at that point was Ohio State and Wisconsin. But all they wanted to do was align Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska. And I'm pissed. And Albie grabbed me and he's like, dude, don't worry about it. You can't change 50 years of living. You can't change 50 years of history or 100 years of history. Those are the four teams that have won national championships.

1:42:47Everybody thinks they're the teams. Even though we've won more than everybody else, you can't change people's opinions. I think that carries into where we are today. It's hard for people, even for me at Illinois, two of the most successful years in Illinois football history, right? Over 100. We played Michigan two years ago, beat them on our turf, two ranked teams. It was a 100-year anniversary game. It's hard for people to grasp that that happened. Yeah. So I think it's hard for people to, when people talk about the mid-level, the lower level, like we beat South Carolina last year, we beat Tennessee this year.

1:43:22Tennessee, two weeks left in the season, is in the middle of national championship talk.

1:43:26PFT Commenter:Yeah. And we beat them in the Music City Bowl, but no one wants to remember that, right? So it's going to slowly take time, but eventually common sense takes reality, and I think that'll happen. Yeah, I mean, the best case for this was the Rose Bowl this year where we were joking before the game. We all, the whole gambling game bet on Indiana because we're like, if they just reverse the helmets here, like Alabama's just getting so much credit for being Alabama of Nick Saban's Alabama that's not what they are anymore and Indiana is being treated like Indiana-vold and that's not what they are and it's just yeah the perception takes a while.

1:43:59It's hard for people to change what they've learned I mean we all go up to a red light and stop like if we flip the rules

1:44:06PFT Commenter:I like that what if we just stop stopping Chicago travel would be jammed oh yeah no but I wouldn't get any of the red light camera I mean I pay so much money to the city of Chicago for how many red light cameras they get me.

1:44:20Big Cat:The way they get you here is crazy. It's nuts. Because it's an important cultural thing in Chicago to like three cars make that left after it turns red. And then if you're the third car, you get that ticket every time. I'm not even running red lights.

1:44:33PFT Commenter:I'm just getting like, you know, the little end of my car is... You guys have some anger issues. Listen, you should see. Yeah. It's not a very good driver. The amount of tickets I get, it's crazy. It's nuts. It's hard to change the way people think. Yes.

1:44:44Big Cat:So a couple things from that Lane interview I wanted to get your opinion on from the Big Ten perspective. Is there a Big Ten coaches group chat? Do you guys have a text thread? There probably is. I know there probably is, but there's also kind of all these little sub-chats. So PJ Fleck, right? So PJ and I are really close. He'll hit me up with a row of the boat, and I'm like, you know, piss off. I don't need to hear that, but I love PJ because he is who he is every day. Yeah. Right? Like he's a true, genuine dude. But I would say there's more – you know, I was in the SEC, right? So I was at Arkansas coming from Wisconsin.

1:45:18I just think this league, there's a band of brothers that is really strong. And I think they'll sacrifice for what's important to them, to the sacrifice of the whole group. And I do think that's alive and real. But, yeah, we're definitely not. I think – so Mark Stoops, who's a buddy of mine, he and I played together at Iowa. He used to share with me some of the things that were on that SEC group chat. With Lane, yeah. Yeah, I think a little largely.

1:45:42Big Cat:Oh, so Mark Stoops was on the group chat. Okay. Yeah. That's another coach confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to get to the bottom of who's not on that group chat. Well, I don't think he is anymore. He's living in a condo down. He took his$40 million from Kentucky and took off. Probably happy with that. And then the other one is I think a big reason for some of Elaine's success has been early morning group yoga programs. Yeah. Is that something that you've considered implementing? Probably about.4 seconds. Okay. Yeah. That's the correct response. Not a yoga tag. There's a reason I got a Tommy Bahama loose fit on.

1:46:10Big Cat:Yeah. We tried to do it. You look like. I saw it. It was the worst thing ever.

1:46:14PFT Commenter:We like Lane, and he's become a friend, and we wish for them to have all the success. Phenomenal, dude. If you put you in that Tommy Bahama and Lane with his shirt off at the hot yoga and you say, who's the football coach? It's a blowout, Lane. I'm sorry. Not close. It's a blowout. I know his guy, Sawyer, is going to be watching this. You can send him the clip. It's just a fact. It's a blowout. So Lane and Sark were at USC with Pete Carroll, and I was the defense coordinator at Kansas State, Dakota, D.C., and we beat them that year. So that was the only game I think they lost that year. And then their quarterback, Carson, was it?

1:46:50Yeah. Won the Heisman. Who? So this was 2000, what? 2001, maybe? 2002? Was that Carson Palmer? No. That's Carson Palmer. He won the Heisman, right? Yeah. And runner-up was the quarterback at Iowa. But that year, an agent brought us together for dinner that January at a coaches convention. And I sat down to dinner with Sark and Lane. and that was in our younger years, right? And the thing I've always been able to appreciate about Lane is like on game day, there's nobody better. Like I watched their film just to see how he attacks and calls the game. It's really – he's an incredibly gifted mind, obviously a really, really cool person.

1:47:28I get it why players go there. Now sometimes the money helps. Yeah. But like he is an incredibly talented coach and a great visionary. I think he's really good for a game.

1:47:38Big Cat:Yeah. I mean you guys have a little budding rivalry going with USC. now i think that game last year was insane yeah from your perspective on the sideline what was the range of emotions you felt there well you know we fumbled two times inside the five yard line and we want to walk off field goal um uh and and it was it was a game that i thought we could win going into it you know we do spring scouting reports summer scouting reports the more i watched them we hadn't played them i thought we could play some downhill football a little old school wisco way that we used to play which is kind of what happened and then uh but their quarterback was electric they had a wide receiver that was unbelievable and then but i knew when they scored i thought we could go down and manipulate the game and we hit a walk-off field goal um our quarter our field goal kicker a and m bought him but he's no longer with us but he was one of the best in the country we had two walk-off field goals last year so i knew if we could kind of manage it the right way we get that w and that was a big one for us how hard is that going into

1:48:29PFT Commenter:the transfer portal knowing like hey there's guys i love here that someone's going to offer them so much money that we don't have yeah well a year ago everybody was kind of on the same pain scale right now it's kind of become a little bit indifferent but you know uh you know david alano he's a chicago kid here i loved him first school to offer him he's at our camp came to us i remember when his dad called me and told me what was going on his dad was very emotional like i they didn't want to see this kid go right from illinois but but you know for him he wanted certain things and and wanted a bigger name brand value um so that's part of the thing i go to earlier it's hard for people to change their perspective right but if you're a kicker and you kick well in memorial stadium east memorial stadium at illinois it's one of the hardest stadiums in the country to kick in he was a 95 kick field goal kicker i'm like dude going into your senior year this is it's exactly what you want yeah you've got to get kids to understand what's ahead of them not what's behind them right and you know for us uh you know there's 138 division one football teams going into this football season i've had a boatload of guys go to the NFL and have not just get invited they stay right and I think that's a big part you got to point out to them and it's smart strategy by you to be welcoming to to kids being able to transfer because I think there are some coaches that try to resist it and it's like you see when you when I'm sure you use it as part of your recruiting where you're like hey when if if at some point we get to get you to a point that you can then go make more money somewhere else I'm not going to be making us think of it like we want the best for you I think communication is like I said earlier but i i preach this to my coaches and my players the greatest thing you bring in an organization is communication and consistency and communication is a two-way street just like we're talking like i'm hearing you you're hearing me and we work off each other but consistent you gotta be the same guy every day right and i always say like you come in and tell me you're going someplace else i'm gonna try to put why i should keep you but i'm gonna end it with a hug like there's so many times i've hugged a guy crying when a guy's leaving and and watch him now a lot of them haven't gone on and had success you know last year uh luke altmeyer who we had on here a year ago with you right like luke was offered almost two and a half more million dollars than we were paying him to leave us and then we end up playing that team in the bowl game yeah and beating him yeah and now he's with the detroit lions and i promise what he went through and what he learned from us the last three years is going to help him make success in the nfl yeah yeah if he didn't live through that he probably wouldn't have the success he's having now and i think that's

1:50:50Big Cat:a really cool thing yeah you ever pitch that to uh to a player like i'm probably the best hugger in the big 10 i i think you might be the best hugger i'm thinking through the list of other coaches he's not a good no hugger yeah bony sig's not a good hugger i think he just doesn't no contact he doesn't like being touched i personally haven't ever strived to be that i think you might be i'm not afraid of it yeah i'm not afraid did you consider telling your kicker like hey um if you stick around maybe we can give you the scoreboard that we're getting rid of i had not at that point thought of that, but we tried to come up with a lot of things to keep him, but it definitely wasn't in the card of tricks.

1:51:23Big Cat:You should just offer everybody the scoreboard, just to take it off your hands. Just to take it off.

1:51:27PFT Commenter:You're singing the stretch of the Cubs game tonight. We're going to run this probably Friday, but are you scared of throwing out the first pitch? I am scared. Oh, I was just busting your balls. Why? My father was a really good baseball player back in the day. Cubs, Sox, Cardinals all came to my dad's farm, and my grandfather wouldn't let him do it. Wait, that's, hold on. Tell the story because this is awesome this is like something that you hear so my name is brett arnold bielman my dad's name is arnold bielman okay every person i ever met from my dad's childhood told me about how great a baseball player he was i sucked at baseball i was the worst so he's got he he's living on his farm and they're like what high school baseball or what is it yeah actually i think it might even been like church league okay back in the day um my grandpa wouldn't let my dad play football um so he he played baseball and was really good at it and i know a couple organizations came and wanted to you know sign him and do him but my my grandfather at the time wouldn't let him um so that's crazy yeah and it's my dad is an incredible dude he actually went to the university of illinois for about two weeks and dropped out because he's in love with a young woman by the name of marilyn morris who i'm thankfully he chased her because that became my mom okay if that didn't connect i may not be here yeah uh so uh but so i suck at baseball Terrible.

1:52:41Gym class back in the day, first guy picks and everything other than baseball. And so with that being said, like I've been asked several times to throw out the first pitch. I'm like, hell no. Yeah. But I can sing. I know I got a little. Yeah, yeah. A little. You got to throw out the first pitch sometime. I know. But, you know, so I had a kid, Pat Farrell, threw out last week versus Sox. And we got a Joe Barna who's throwing it out tonight. And I called Pat last week. I said, are you nervous? He's like, huh. He goes, I go, you know why I've never thrown out the first pitch? And he's like, why? He goes, because I suck.

1:53:13Like, I don't want to go out and have failure. So I'm going to do a little duet tonight with Matt Bailey, our safety. He was a really good player. Okay.

1:53:20Big Cat:Are you going to toss in the let's get some runs? I'm going to throw in at the back end, let's get some runs. Okay, that's good. You got to make sure. I do a little Harry Caron rendition.

1:53:27PFT Commenter:Yeah, who's throwing out the first pitch, he's got to go from the rubber. You got to let him know that. He's never going to rubber. You cannot go over. We have a little competition. Both of them were D-line. Sox, D. Lyman, Pat Farrell, Joe Barna, two really good players. We beat Barna on Wisco. You'd hate to hear them. Okay. It really got down to us and Wisco, but thankfully he's playing for us.

1:53:42Big Cat:We're going to start it with end of one, end of two. End of one, end of three. All right, yeah, you're good to go. You got this. Let's get some runs.

1:53:47PFT Commenter:All right, so last thing I want to talk to you about, because like I said, it's crazy we have become friends, and it was great when we went. I think it was the USC-Illinois game. I finally met your wife, who I had tweeted karma at a bunch of times after you left. It was good. She said to say hello. She goes, tell David. Yeah, it was like 10 years in the making. It was like, hey, this is all good. But one of the things we bonded over is our love for Chili's, the restaurant. So give me your favorite Chili's order. What's your order? You texted me last night, literally from a Chili's, being like, check this out.

1:54:22PFT Commenter:It's like, can you believe me? We have a Chili's in Champaign, but I don't think I've ever been there. Yeah, the text was literally like, can you believe this? Look at me. I'm in a Chili's. I'm like, yeah, man, I can believe it. We were in New Lenox. Yeah.

1:54:34Big Cat:That's a good chili. Very good chili. Yes. I would say start off, definitely, I'm a Southwestern egg roll guy. Yep. Oh, okay. That's a good call. You know, like, you don't go to Chili's and get what everybody gets. Yeah, but hold on. They can make those good chili fries. I think a lot of people get the Southwestern egg rolls. I don't think, that's not like a super exotic thing. Yeah. I like it.

1:54:50PFT Commenter:Are you getting the bottomless chips? To start with, for sure. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because I was going to say, I say bottomless chips before I sit down. Yeah. Like, as they're walking me to my seat, I'm like, hey, just so you know, I'm going to want the bottom of the chips. We only have about a 30-minute window. Yeah, that's where you got to get going on them. Yeah. Okay. All right, so what else? If I was ordering an entree, I would probably go, like, the trio combo. Yep. A little quesadilla. Yep. Eat your food, Tina, right? Like, you get a quesadilla whenever you can. Probably the jalapeno sausage.

1:55:16PFT Commenter:Okay. And ribs. Yeah. That's good. The boneless buffalo wings I always go with. I think they're very good at chilies. I go chips, salsa, keep it coming with queso, and then I'll go the fajitas trio. 12 or 16-ounce beer with it? I usually try to not get drunk because I'm just trying to drink. I'm trying to eat all my chips. Got it. Yeah, so I'll go water a lot of times because I got to focus on my chips.

1:55:40Big Cat:I like doing the margarita, the famous margarita to start. Yep, big bowl. Then to clean it up, if I've got enough time, then you get the big boy beer to kind of wash it all down on the side. What about dessert? I don't think I've ever had a dessert at Chili's. Oh, wow.

1:55:55PFT Commenter:They have a good chocolate lava cake. They do. Yeah. I know I don't look like it, but I'm not a big dessert guy. I'm not going to say anything about that. Because, listen, I struggle with my own things. But how? How are you not a dessert guy? What are you talking about? I just never really like sweets. I've never really like, you know, I'm not a candy guy. Oh, man. I've chewed like three sticks of bubble gum in my entire life. Like, I'm not a... Is that a real stat? I swear. I hate things that stick to my teeth.

1:56:19Big Cat:Have you ever... Three sticks of bubble gum. Wait, have you ever blown a bubble in your whole life? Not that I'm aware of. I'm sure we're a little maybe, but I'm just not a big gum guy.

1:56:28PFT Commenter:All right, so you're not eating ice cream or anything? I'm not going to turn down a little salted caramel ice cream occasionally, but, yeah, it's not my... This is where our friendship has just ended. We've made all this progress, and now it's over. Like, this is crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I just never really... You know, I grew up in a Dutch family background, so we had raisins and rice, which is a big, like, Dutch dessert, I believe. Yeah, yeah, it sounds disgusting, but yeah, I'm aware of it, raisin and rice. Raisin and rice. It's kind of like, you know, there's some of that rice pudding that people have.

1:57:02Yeah, yeah. It's a little bit like that, but it's very unique and different. I promise you, like nobody ever thinks of it. And then we also had popcorn and milk. We'd have popcorn and pour milk on it. Like that was a big deal. What? This is the most Midwestern thing I've ever heard in my life.

1:57:14Big Cat:Yeah. I'm not saying it was great, but I think it was cheap and it was good and it was easy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a very football coach meal. Popcorn and milk. Yeah.

1:57:22PFT Commenter:I love it. All right. Well, last question. Roback question. RHOBACK.com. Promo code TAKE. 20 % off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE. I don't know if you've met Zach yet. Zach is in the booth. How are we, Coach? How are we doing? Doing well, sir. Zach's the man. He's the newest member. I think the last time you were on was maybe before Zach because it's been about a year. I loved his interview with Bill. Yes. Yes. Zach. Yes. Yes. Fantastic. Yes. So go ahead, Zach.

1:57:50Big Cat:Coach, great to see you today. I appreciate you for your time. I did see that you grew up on a hog farm. Yes. Has there ever been any thought to bring in the team down to maybe instill some discipline? Like if things ever get out of hand, like, well, we can go down to the farm and we can really show you how things get done. I would not trade in the way I was raised for anything. I grew up on a farm, 2 ,500 pigs. You know, a lot of times we would get on the bus at 730. I would get up at 530 and go do chores for an hour, hour and a half. We never missed my dad in my 18 years and then two years into college, 20 years and never taken a day off until he went and watched us play in the Rose Bowl.

1:58:27So I think the things that that I learned, right, you never take a day off. If you do anything worth doing it right, because there is a day where my brother and I, we want to go fishing. So we were building a fence that we kept in like 50 pigs and we we were supposed to put five horseshoe nails on every fence. And we started just doing one at the bottom, one at the top. And the fence looked great until you put all the pigs in it. And then we came in on a Saturday morning, I remember, and there was pigs all over our farm. And we're like, what the hell? It's because we cut a corner. And it looked good until it really had to work.

1:59:03And I always go back to that moment. Everything that I do as a football coach, I want it to be intentful. Intended to have a result of what we wanted to do. I never cut a corner. I've never been on a blue blood type program. Even when we were in Wisconsin, Illinois, we were winning. I've never really fit in one of the blue bloods because I like to put in an honest day's work to get an honest day's result. And I think that part, to your point, is something I believe. I am still every day. I've never taken our guys to the pig farm. There was a moment in my college career I'll never forget. So when pigs have baby pigs, they have about anywhere from 8 to 12, right?

1:59:42And I had four buddies come back. I was at the University of Iowa and I had four buddies come back for a weekend. And a pig was having babies. And she was struggling. I could tell. And there was a pig that was dry, which means that she hasn't had one in a while. You need to help her out. So I just jumped in, put your hand up in there, and pulled a pig out. And we had a kid, Teddy Velser, who's from Green Bay, Wisconsin, a city kid. And he literally was like 6 '5", 320 pounds, and he almost fainted. And I went in there and grabbed like four in a row and pulled him out. And for me, that's all I ever knew.

2:00:13And those guys are like, all of them were just blown away. But I always tell our coaches, right, like when you get a freshman coming in the building, they only know what they know. They only know what they've experienced. if their parents want to be five minutes early as being early or five minutes late as being early, that's all they ever know. So you have to really take – that's the true art of today's football is you've got to have 110 kids that think the same way and to get guys to do that is a really special trait.

2:00:40PFT Commenter:Underrated part of that story is you referred to a kid from Green Bay, Wisconsin as a city kid. Yeah. That's a city kid. That's a great – He's on the concrete jungle of Green Bay, Wisconsin.

2:00:52Big Cat:It's a great defensive drill. teaching how to strip the ball? Just reach into a hog and just pull out. Pull out a pig? Yeah. They literally almost fainted. It was hilarious. That's awesome. But that's all I ever do.

2:01:03PFT Commenter:Yeah, Zach, good question. Do you have a follow-up or anything else?

2:01:06Big Cat:That was all, but I can't pivot to a follow-up. That's cool to you? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, this one, we're going to jump off the farm real quick, if that's okay. Absolutely. As a consumer of college football, I hear so much about the NIL stuff, Coach. What had to change in your process in recruiting? the bit like what was the biggest part like not the little part but what was like the big thing that you didn't feel right about you had to drill home well first off you know the the perspective that we mentioned earlier right is 2026 you have to forget everything you've ever learned like I remember um in my senior year we played a big rivalry game against Iowa State and I told a coach that was at Iowa State it's been a real pleasure kicking your ass the last five years i really enjoyed it you've been a real prick i got annihilated right like just they're threatening to suspend me like i was a captain i was a pretty good kid never been in trouble coach fry brought me in and he's like sat me down he's like he goes hey you can't we all know he's a prick you just can't go around saying it i'm like process and a donor sent me a big iowa fan sent me a hundred dollar bill i've never seen a hundred dollar bill in my life i literally took it in and turned it into the compliance office because i was afraid i was going to get in trouble i could have done so much with that hundred dollars and now i tell guys as coming in as high school players i'm like hey we're going to pay a hundred thousand dollars right and like it took me 10 years of coaching before i got paid a hundred thousand dollars i was a good football coach and now these kids are getting this money coming in which is awesome i love it but i think we're setting them up for failure right so like one of these kids that you know makes 100 his first year 150 his second year 350 and then his senior year he makes 1.5 million right and maybe he makes in the nfl maybe he doesn't and he's got to go to work for for a national rental car for 85 000 and he can't process it right that's the the thing that's coming right and so i think that's the part for me as a coach hey it's just relative to the moment we're in i think the other thing that kind of misleads people right now is there's a lot of people that are paying kids to be great i don't think that's the right approach i think you pay kids that have been great and and just because you pay somebody a lot of money doesn't mean they're a great player just like when i hire coaches i don't pay someone a lot of money to be a great coach i pay them because they're a good coach right like if you're betting on to come it may never happen right so i think that's a part that college football has to really understand and process yeah right yeah a

2:03:38PFT Commenter:lot of expectations on 18 year olds like it's crazy yeah it's not and then you know you throw in you know uh all the social media things that can come at them right and and the way these kids got to handle things like kids are no different now at 18 than they were in in in you know 2000 but the access that they have to people and the effects that that can have on our kids is devastating and now you guys have money show all the time like you have a lot of great coaches but there's a lot of coaches are all about them yeah and i would just tell you like like for me like i'm very blessed i'm very fortunate and what i get paid and what i do i do it more for now the reaction to see these 18 year old kids that turn into 22 year old nfl guys yeah like that's why i i love doing what i do and you know my kids are obviously a huge part of our process now but um i think the world has really changed in that regards and you know it's it's a me me me world and unfortunately and there's a lot of coaches that take advantage of that moment and it's all about them.

2:04:34And, you know, I see them on your guys' shows all the time. Like, it just – eventually the truth will set you free. Yeah. And I think that's the part that will never change. You guys are great at what you do. You're kind of on the cutting edge of all this thing of what Dave saw. You guys followed it. And it's just a world that you just got to stay ahead of the moment you're in. So I think that's a big part of it. But, unfortunately, a lot of people take advantage of those moments as well. Yeah, that's true.

2:04:57PFT Commenter:That's well said. Well, Coach, always great having you on. Always great seeing you in person. The shirt is awesome. Best of luck singing the stretch. And until next time. Appreciate it very much. Thank you very much, IOL.

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2:06:22PFT Commenter:Okay, before we get to Fyre Fest, we've got a very special guest in studio. It's Hank's dad. Mr. Lockwood is here. He has, what is your third or fourth appearance? Fourth. Fourth appearance. Happy belated birthday, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. You are here for Hank's birthday, which was yesterday, right? No, Hank's birthday is Saturday. Okay. All right. As we've said. Yeah. Some people have screwed that up, but you are here. we're not officially starting Mount Rushmore season but you are a big fan of the Mount Rushmore season and you have done three of them three of the drafts with us so we figured let's just do a tune up let's do a little stretch before we run we don't want to get injured tune up Mount Rushmore where we go me and PFT versus the Lockwoods versus the booth just to get us in the feel ready a little send off match before Mount Rushmore yes and it's a friendly Yeah, it's a friendly.

2:07:17PFT Commenter:We're doing a friendly. Yeah, preseason. And we are going to do the Mount Rushmore non-alcoholic drinks. And just so we're clear at the start because of some of our sponsors, soda is – we're not going to do specific sodas. Just soda is a pick that is available. And sports drink. And sports drink. And sports drink, yes. Okay. Who's going first? We got to figure out – we got numbers. Why don't we go – why don't we start with the booth? We'll go to Hank. Booth, Lockwoods, and me and PFT. Okay. All right. All right. All right. We're going to start with soda.

2:07:51Big Cat:Okay. All right. Good pick. Good pick. Way to start. Way to start. Just one of them? No, we're just going with soda. I would say that my two favorites right now are Pepsi and then Mountain Dew, but those soda in general is going to be our one one. Good pick. What time of the day do you like to drink soda? What's your favorite time to drink soda? I like to have two on a plane. Yeah. That's my favorite time to drink soda.

2:08:14PFT Commenter:Yep. Okay. Good pick. All right.

2:08:17Big Cat:Lockwoods. Lockwoods. One, one. Much discussed today. We're going to go with milkshake. Ah. Wow. Okay. I actually texted Big Cat Milkshake. I thought it was a stroke of luck. I didn't think you guys would have it, but I thought we would save it for later because it's a controversial decision. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Why is it controversial? I thought some people might say that it's not a drink. It's more of an ice cream? 100 % ice cream. They serve it to you in a cup with a straw. It's always on the beverage menu. That's a drink. Any place you go. You get a lot of beverages with spoons in them? Not a spoon.

2:08:49Big Cat:Milkshakes don't come with spoons. Milkshakes do come with spoons. Some do, some don't. Most don't. It's a drink.

2:08:54PFT Commenter:PFT, I think they just screwed up the whole draft because I think we just go one and three. One, three. One, three. One, three. You know what? The first pick is the easiest pick in the entire world because I don't know if you guys could exist without it. How has water not been picked? Water is the thing we drink the most, though. It's boring. Oh, I'm sorry. You know what? Don't drink water anymore. See what happens, buddy. No, I mean, you need it, but it's boring.

2:09:14Big Cat:Okay. I recall Hank being a big fan of the ocean. I recall Hank being a big fan of being on boats. Have you ever... You don't drink the ocean. You could. You can't. No, you can't. You actually cannot. You actually can. It drives you insane. You would die. Yeah, but you can do it. It drives you insane probably because it tastes so good that you're like, oh my God, I feel like I'm crazy now.

2:09:35PFT Commenter:If I said to you, you can't drink water. This was non-alcoholic drinks you could jump into. Hold on. Water would be the first pick. If I ask you right now, and let's be true serum, you can't drink one thing for the rest of your life. Soda or water. Which one are you picking? You can't drink one thing for the rest of your life. Milkshake or water. It's not a non-alcoholic drink you're stuck on an island with.

2:09:58Big Cat:It's the one, one non-alcoholic drink. We're doing thought experiments. It's also delicious. It's good. It's quenching. You need it. First thing you do when you brush your teeth in the morning, you need water to do that, too. You don't drink it. And you cook food. You need water to do that. Yep. You don't drink it. Oh, you want to take a shit? Try shitting without water, buddy. You guys, your body is 90 % water. Do you hate yourselves? You do. We don't. You guys are miscant. Like, you're non-alcoholic drinks. Things that you drink. But it shows the wide range. Water is a five-tool player. Water is everything.

2:10:35Big Cat:It does everything.

2:10:36PFT Commenter:It literally separates us from every other planet in the world. universe galaxy whatever maybe it's a good functional boring pick yeah i mean oh okay

2:10:48Big Cat:you guys picked ice cream yeah hey what's that first word yeah is that you like ice cream i love ice cream it's not a drink it's a food it's a delicious drink you need water it's the building

2:10:57PFT Commenter:blocks of ice cream yeah all right so the second pick is is just as easy coffee done those are the two things you need you need water you need coffee but they're not then coffee you're gonna sit on

2:11:08Big Cat:coffee essential like i love drinking coffee i need to drink coffee but it's it doesn't it's

2:11:13PFT Commenter:not because it tastes good what some coffee you said non-alcoholic drinks i'm sorry did you say drinks that you like that taste good i mean that's yeah no we're picking the the essentials for everyday activity did you know that you can trade it'd be like if we did alcohol drinks you pick

2:11:28Big Cat:malort because it's like high alcohol you didn't say no you didn't say that not rush more tasty Mallorca is not more high alcohol than most other shots. Did you say the tastiest non-alcoholic drinks or non-alcoholic drinks?

2:11:40PFT Commenter:I just assumed that was implied. Why was that implied? Why would that be implied? Because of the Mount Rushmore. Of drinks, yeah. Non-alcoholic drinks. Coffee and water. By the way, Golden Mug's still going on. One last day. We're giving away 15 winners this time. Everyone gets a plus one. We're going to a rooftop in Wrigleyville for a night game. Friday night game. You come to the office, and then all of our stools Chicago will be there. So go buy right now, StellaBlueCoffee.com. If you buy the ready-to-drink cans, it's 10 times the entries.

2:12:10Big Cat:Did you know that for the Enlightenment, when we had scientific advances, mathematic advances, cultural advances, economic advances all across the world, that was due in large part to the widespread adoption of drinking coffee and people having caffeine in their diets? But no, it's not tasty. it can be tasty the canned drinks, the canned cell blues are tasty thank you podcasts would not exist without coffee I guess

2:12:38PFT Commenter:alright what do the milkshake boys have next? steak? I mean this is an easy pick coming back around, we're gonna go with smoothie you guys aren't even drinking anything

2:12:49Big Cat:you just have food that's been in a blender you guys are just

2:12:53PFT Commenter:you need every drink you have

2:12:54Big Cat:you can get protein you can get everything that you need It's bigger than just a drink. You guys are. How much protein does water have in it? Actually, a shitload. You should actually look it up. It does. We should invent protein water. It's a great pick. Smoothie and milkshake. Smoothie milkshake.

2:13:14PFT Commenter:It's like, yeah, you took food, but like after it's been in a blender. All of our listeners who don't have blenders are like, who are these guys? Okay. Booth boys.

2:13:25Big Cat:We're going to take lemonade.

2:13:27PFT Commenter:Good pick. Nice pick. That's a good pick, unlike smoothie and milkshake.

2:13:30Big Cat:Very refreshing. And then we're going to follow up with its counterpart. We're going to go iced tea. Yeah, we were going to do that if it came back around. Great job. Good pick. They're both great drinks on their own, and then when you mix them together, it's a fantastic drink. You guys could have taken either one in either order. What made you take lemonade before? I just told Zach to take. I said we're going to go lemonade iced tea here. That's actually a question for Zach. Zach? Reverse alphabetical order. got it yeah as you do

2:14:01PFT Commenter:nice job alright what do you guys got hold on we're collaborating I like oh just gonna slow it down huh gravy yeah actually not actually gravy you're talking about pasta sauce alright we're gonna go with our third pick milk oh okay I mean your other two picks need it so yeah everyone needs it build strong bones you don't want to do like oat milk or something all right i think i think we should go maybe eight five five eight i like five eight or 13 or a seven and eight two look at 13 though i don't think we go 13 i think we already got that okay let's go uh eight and five seven or five i think we go eight five okay all right chocolate

2:14:55Big Cat:milk. Chocolate milk. We're taking chocolate milk. Anyone would rather drink chocolate. Absolutely. If you have a choice between regular milk and chocolate milk, you take chocolate milk. That's a real drink. Unlike milkshake, which is ice cream. Chocolate milk.

2:15:07PFT Commenter:Alright. No, you say it.

2:15:09Big Cat:Yeah. Then, wait, which one are we doing now? I forgot.

2:15:13PFT Commenter:It's either five or seven. Seven is fun. Do you want to be fun? Yeah, let's be fun. Alright, we'll take Capri Suns. You got a problem with that?

2:15:22Big Cat:There's not enough. There's never enough.

2:15:24PFT Commenter:Yeah, it always leaves you wanting more.

2:15:25Big Cat:It's true.

2:15:26PFT Commenter:And punching the hole is one of the best things in the world.

2:15:28Big Cat:And you can turn it into a cell phone.

2:15:30PFT Commenter:And if you're an LSU Tiger, you can turn it into an alcoholic drink. Remember that tailgate? Walk by the tailgate at LSU. I swear to God, this guy had probably 300 Capri Suns just sitting out in a cooler, and he was like, you want one? I was like, what? And he's like, oh, no, dude. We put vodka in every single one of these. I was like, okay, yeah. Hell yeah.

2:15:52Big Cat:They know how to do tailgating. It also becomes like a thing where you almost compete to see who can drink there as the fastest. I think you can probably take down a Capri Sun in about two seconds, and then you can fill it up with air, then you pop it. Yeah. It's true. I love our draft. It's really strong.

2:16:07PFT Commenter:We have the two most important drinks in the world, coffee and water. Boring. We have a delicious drink in chocolate milk and the fun drink in Capri Sun. We got four that you'd want to party with. You got the Blender Boys over here and John Daly in the booth. Okay, you guys have a fourth pick?

2:16:26Big Cat:You said John Daly in the booth. That was a bad thing. Well, it's not John Daly. But you said John Daly.

2:16:34PFT Commenter:Yeah, Arnold Palmer. We're doing semantic games. You got the guys who wish they were John Daly in the booth. No, I would never. The guys who wish they were John Daly. Fourth pick, no-brainer. Easy pick, root beer float.

2:16:52Big Cat:I like that one. I lost. It's just my five-year-old. If we're doing, like, by calorie, you guys, we should actually, like, we should calculate one serving of all of our drinks, and you guys would have, like, a 2 ,000-calorie menu right there.

2:17:04PFT Commenter:I feel like Hank, when he texted us saying non-alcoholic drinks, he forgot a couple words in it because it feels like the Lockwoods did non-alcoholic drinks that you would serve at a five-year-old's birthday party.

2:17:18Big Cat:Milkshakes, smoothies, milk. If someone gets serious surgery and can't chew food, we basically have, this is how you get protein and nutrients in your body. So those people, please come out and vote. Yes, please.

2:17:33PFT Commenter:Hank and Kanye West. Vote early, vote often. All the people who are undergoing jaw surgery, get out and vote. Okay.

2:17:44Big Cat:We're going to go with slushy. That's a good pick. Good pick. Good pick. It's kind of like a smoothie, but technically more of a drink. Mm-hmm.

2:17:54PFT Commenter:Made of ice. Made of water. Slushies are fun. Slushies are fun.

2:17:57Big Cat:They are fun. Okay. What about Icy's? What are you saying? The same thing. Icy versus slushy. That's the same thing. What about wood? That's just a brand of slush. What about wood or ice? That's not the same thing. That's a dessert. Not a drink? That's not a drink. Okay. That's a spoon. That's a spoon.

2:18:14PFT Commenter:What did we miss? I have coconut water.

2:18:17Big Cat:I was going to say. Good nut. Tom Brady's good nut. Yeah. Bone broth. Jesus Christ. Yeah, soup. I should have taken soup. Yeah. Apple juice. Apple juice is elite. Apple juice, orange juice. Yeah, apple juice is elite. We got orange. No, we didn't get orange juice. We did not. Matcha. Matcha. I've started to enjoy a nice matcha recently. What about... Boba tea. Boba tea. Boba tea's a pretty solid choice.

2:18:43PFT Commenter:Body armor, fantastic. Body armor's the best. We got water, so we already got body armor.

2:18:49Big Cat:Virgin Pina Colada. Got it. Body armor is more than just water.

2:18:53PFT Commenter:Yeah, that's true. Seltzer. Yeah. I like seltzer water.

2:18:57Big Cat:Yeah, flavored seltzer is not bad. I like regular seltzer too. Like a crispy San Pellegrino or a Topo Chico. Italian sodas are really good. Sparkling cider. Mexican sodas. Sparkling cider. Sparkling cider is good. Sparkling cider is a good one. Actually, just cider too. Sparkling cider is better than cider. I agree. It's got the bubbles.

2:19:16PFT Commenter:your own piss when you're stuck in a desert and you don't know how to get home or if you're about to you're about to coach a basketball team yeah you got a big biggie scheme coming up yeah

2:19:27Big Cat:what about ginger ale ginger ale is good too nah that's soda that's soda it's also just when you're sick no i i think that's what i associate it with i've been on a uh a ginger beer kick which is non-alcoholic but it's like ginger ale but just way more flavor i think that's the first sign that I'm becoming old. My grandfather used to pound like six ginger beers a day. Yeah.

2:19:50PFT Commenter:Shirley Temples?

2:19:51Big Cat:Yeah. Shirley Temples is a good pick. Shirley Temples is a good pick. Hammering those. It's borderline soda but it's not. It's not. I was gonna say that's a Shane-ass pick right there. Yeah. Just sugar. You get the shark that's got the cherry syrup in it. Yeah. Alright, this is a good Mount Rushmore warm-up.

2:20:07PFT Commenter:Yeah, it was fun. I feel good. It's like taking your first hit in training camp.

2:20:11Big Cat:Yeah, if this was real, I would have gotten real mad about the milk chocolate milk double double pick but you know this is just warm-ups oh what would you have said please tell that that that couldn't count that i would say that when i would have fought that if i

2:20:24PFT Commenter:if i was on the milk side if you asked for milk and i brought you a chocolate milk would you be like what the fuck or would you be like oh that's exactly what i wanted they're totally different

2:20:32Big Cat:things yeah but it's like it's the same thing as soda was one category coffee could have done ice

2:20:37PFT Commenter:soda was one category because of sponsors so we cold brew ice coffee coffee those are all You could have done iced coffee. We thought about taking iced coffee. Yeah, that's a big miss by you guys. We had it on the list.

2:20:50Big Cat:Yeah, if I brought you a chocolate milk, you'd say, literally, this is not what I ordered.

2:20:53PFT Commenter:Yeah. If you're like, hey, can I get a bowl of cereal and I put chocolate milk in it? You'd be like, what the fuck? It'd be actually pretty good. Well, it was Cocoa Pust.

2:21:00Big Cat:Yeah. Do you guys think... Count Chocula. Nobody took non-alcoholic beer? No. Because that stinks. Yeah. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Correct. I'm sick of people lying about how good non-alcoholic beer is. It's just not. Just don't drink beer. I don't think I've ever had one, to be honest with you. You don't want to start? No.

2:21:21PFT Commenter:Okay. Good Mount Rushmore. Should we do Fire Fest? Let's do it. Do you want to stick around for Fire Fest? Sure. All right. Fire Fest, do you have one? The Lockwood Couch. Does the Lockwood Couch have a Fire Fest?

2:21:32Big Cat:This has been a great week for me. I mean, we played top 50 course in the country on Monday with the Paws charity outing. Had the family in town this week. Brother, dad, brother-in-law. And it's my birthday Saturday. I have no complaints. This has been an ideal week. I guess the Spurs. Darren Fox is my fire fest. Yeah.

2:21:55PFT Commenter:What about the fact that you're one year closer to 40?

2:21:58Big Cat:I'm not worried about that. We're so far away.

2:22:01PFT Commenter:How old are you? 34? 33. Whoa. Come on. I think he's 34. Wait, you're going to be 34.

2:22:07Big Cat:No, I'm 32 right now. I'm going to be 33.

2:22:11PFT Commenter:Check that. I think you're going to be 34.

2:22:12Big Cat:Born in 1993.

2:22:14PFT Commenter:Are you Hank-splaining his birthday to him? Yeah, I'm just trying to gaslight him in being 34. He's done that to us, remember? He had us at 40 for our entire 30s.

2:22:23Big Cat:Yeah, when you're in your late 20s, everybody that's in their 30s is actually 40. Yeah. 34 will be tough. 33 is fine. Larry Bird, Billy Strings, great number. Billy Strings is 33 years old? That's a lucky number.

2:22:37PFT Commenter:Oh, okay. Oh, why?

2:22:38Big Cat:I don't know. I'm wearing a Billy Strings shirt and it's got 33 on He just always reps 33

2:22:44PFT Commenter:Alright so you had a good week Good for you Hank Mr. Lockwood you got a firefest? I do not I had a great week as well Great trip down here to Chicago

2:22:52Big Cat:We avoided all the storms somehow

2:22:55PFT Commenter:Yeah it's pretty good Some people are saying their firefests Is that Hank took a shot righty this week Did he do that with you as well?

2:23:02Big Cat:No no righty

2:23:03PFT Commenter:Cause he did do that he took a shot righty

2:23:06Big Cat:First time seeing him play lefty He played really well.

2:23:09PFT Commenter:Oh, no. PFT. It was not putting. Is that right? No. No. No. It was actually like probably 150 yards from the roll.

2:23:16Big Cat:I have a question. We were having some fun. It was, you know. My question was going to be, were you just having some fun? Yeah. No, I actually wasn't. We were being dead serious.

2:23:23PFT Commenter:It was actually our mulligan shot, so we needed to get a good shot. Ah. Now, I think.

2:23:28Big Cat:It was not a round where I was keeping my own score, though. Was it with a lefty club? No. No. He said, can I have your club real quick? We can't do that. Hank. We can't do that. I wouldn't do it in a round where I was playing my own ball. I would not do that. Charity, scramble, mulligan. Because I already took a shot lefty, and I was like, oh, we got a mulligan? Let's have some fun. I don't like the fact that you tossed charity in there like you made it okay. It was. I saved a dog with that righty shot. No, you actually probably, if you win the charity, then you take money away from the charity.

2:23:58Big Cat:No, we don't. If you win anything. No. You win the prizes. You win a plaque.

2:24:04PFT Commenter:There were no prizes? No, there were no prizes. Well, plaques cost money. Yeah. Shout out pause. Great, great event. I actually went up. They were selling mulligans for charity. Yeah. And so you could buy three mulligans for 50 bucks. And I asked the woman if I could buy 20. She's like, what's the point of even golfing? I thought this was a charity. That's a big loophole too. Yeah. Buy your way into the championship. Yeah, they capped it at three. Yeah. So, which probably makes sense. But I wanted to just take a million shots and shoot the round of my life. Yeah. All right. PFT, your fire fest.

2:24:36Big Cat:I got two small fire fests. Also a great week. Things have been going good. Start of the summer. Day is still getting longer for now. I guess first fire fest for me would be that the U.S. national team is playing Friday night and I'm going to be at a wedding during it. Big T is getting married. Shout out Big T. Best of luck to him and his lovely lady. But he has been told no TVs at the wedding. And Big T is the biggest like don't schedule fall weddings because college football. he really did not know that this was going to coincide with a soccer because he's a big U.S. men's national team fan too.

2:25:10Big Cat:So I've been instructed that I'm allowed to bring an iPad. I don't know what the acceptable display options that I'm going to have will be because I'm hearing that there might be a projector that hooks up to your iPad that you could kind of just take over a wall. But then depending on what kind of wedding it is, people might be like, hey, why are you making people watch sports during the wedding? so I'm kind of like stuck in between rock and heart play because I'm I need to watch the game yeah I have to you got to respect the ball but I also don't want to be over the top as a rude

2:25:44PFT Commenter:wedding guest yeah I think you kind of I think it's one of those things you have to feel it out you know vibes and then maybe first half a little bit and then if it gets tight later because there is I have been to weddings where like last five minutes of a game you get people pumped up if you know it's only going to be five minutes like it is fun it's a fun camaraderie who made the no tv

2:26:05Big Cat:rule mrs the future mrs t i don't want to get anyone in trouble with anything like that i think what happened was she asked him not to bring an ipad yeah so she's like as the groom you should not be like you should not be walking into your own wedding with a distraction from your wedding in your arm yeah which i understand i actually get that uh but i've been encouraged to bring

2:26:25PFT Commenter:bring my own device here's here's the rule i've always gone by if i if i'm watching a game or have to watch a game at a wedding it's uh very low key then if it's very if it's a good game memorable game at the end you can have people watch with you every minute you watch you got to go doubly as hard on the dance floor when the when the game ends that's true you know i mean

2:26:46Big Cat:you got to pay it back and you got you got to be like everyone on the dance floor let's have some Maybe even start, because I think the game's going to get going during dinner. So maybe cry extra hard during the ceremony and really get in touch with my emotions, appreciate the love, and then kind of just bow out for two hours, and then I'll be back. I just looked it up. I think I may also have this issue. There's a potential that I may also have this issue in my wedding. With the U.S. team? Yes. Oh, no. Right? I won't be watching either way. Yeah.

2:27:21PFT Commenter:Thank you, Hank.

2:27:22Big Cat:I don't think they're – I can't say that my friends are a big soccer crowd, so I don't think it'll be too big of an issue. But it's the World Cup. I feel like everybody is going to get – And it is in the elimination stage of it, which I do think – Oh, so we won't even be there. Hank, turn Hank's mic off. So 2 – it's like 2D versus 1K. That would be if – Double D. Don't even get into this. That would be if the U.S. comes in second because we're in group D, right? Yeah, and then we play 1K. Or I don't know. Max is doing scenarios. There's no way you can figure this out.

2:27:58PFT Commenter:I think I just did.

2:27:59Big Cat:No, 2D v. 2G. We're so far away from this. Actually, it is better if we come in second in our group, I think, overall. This is impossible to figure out. Realistically, I don't give a fuck. Tournament expansion might have ruined the World Cup. You're not watching anyway. No.

2:28:18PFT Commenter:No.

2:28:18Big Cat:All right. Then the other small fire fest is I took Blake into the vet the other day. He has to get, like, ears cleaned once every six months or so. So I took him in. They're like, hey, he's behind on a couple of his vaccinations. Would you mind if we shot him up with those? I said, yeah, absolutely. Give him every shot that he needs. Forgetting that Blake does not do well with vaccinations. And Blake came home and has just been howling, has not slept. is just being a real pain in the ass. And I think my dog, not to go all RFK Jr. on you, I think my dog might be allergic to vaxxas. I feel like Fauci, he's got his hands in Blake right now and turns him into a different dog for about 48 hours after he gets those shots.

2:28:59Big Cat:Then he bounces right back. But it's been a tough day filled with zero sleep because of Blake's vaccine hesitancy. So maybe next time I'll ask. Maybe they can do ivermectin next time.

2:29:12PFT Commenter:All right, my fire fest. Two quick ones. One, our playoff game got canceled. Pugs, that sucked. There's nothing better than getting yourself juiced up for a playoff game and then being like, boom, no playoff game. And then two, I posted a picture of memes nipples and he hates me forever. And that's it.

2:29:31Big Cat:I don't think he hates you forever anymore.

2:29:33PFT Commenter:He doesn't hate me. There's a little part of him that hates me. But that's healthy for me. Yeah, that is healthy.

2:29:41Big Cat:You just got to be on your toes now because any chance he gets. Oh, yeah.

2:29:44PFT Commenter:Oh, yeah. It's coming. It's getting back to me at some point. But, yeah. Memes, are you over Nipplegate? I'm over it.

2:29:53Big Cat:That's all I see online now. Oh, you know what you should do, Memes? I don't want to tell you how to do your job. You're very good at the Memes game. You know the two ladies that sit behind the Spurs bench. What if you Photoshopped your own nipples onto their shirts? What if you sat there for game five? I've thought about that. Have you thought about it? Yeah. I have thought about it. I think I saw it on I was going to do that Maybe on TikTok Someone called you Jack Naplouse Oh Yeah that was good I like that one Nipple back Yeah How much What percentage do you hate me None Zero That's Isaiah Actually you know what we should do We should get memes t-shirts like Taylor Swift had Stevie Nips Yeah Who else was right Nipple back would have been one And then what was the third Nip set Nip set Nip low Yeah nip low

2:30:42PFT Commenter:we got all of them oh man oh yeah that was uh unfortunate uh mistake we did golf this morning memes and i so and i'll say this he had an incredible bounce back he was wearing a camouflage uh long sleeve which got right off the bat he's into you don't really know where you're looking he's going into his max era yeah and then he and then he took off the long sleeve because he got a little hot and he had like all these like weird uh like designs and stuff get your eyes going left right up down can't really find where the nipples are so he he's already he's already fixed it as long as there's not a camera around i dress fine same all right zach finish off

2:31:27Big Cat:oh my favorite fish this week uh i did have a pretty good week this week uh but i guess we're going for low lights i did have a pretty rough rough start to the season which would be the competitive called duty season season four is out i uh there's a rank system gentlemen and it goes by sr points so basically like you you do well you receive points in return you do bad you lose points uh through a series of disconnects i'm probably about 480 points in the hole it will take me probably about five weeks to get that 480 back i've since fixed the disconnect issue through youtube videos reddit and prayers but that's pretty much where we're at what was the disconnect issue?

2:32:03Big Cat:The game was just crashing. And so it was like, was it one of those things where you'd start a game and because you logged out of the game, it punished you? Yeah, they treat any disconnect as you abandoning it. So the game would crash and then I'd go to try to log back in and then I'd lose the points and then I'd get messages like, what the fuck pussy, why did you leave the game? So those are always fun too. Would you care to address those allegations that you left the game because you're a pussy? What the fuck? Me being a pussy and me leaving the game are two separate issues. I didn't leave the game on purpose.

2:32:37Big Cat:Yeah. For those of you thinking that. Correlation does not equal causation. Yes. Got it. Not a pussy. But also pussy. Yeah, like two separate things. Pussy, yes. Can be pussy sometimes. But that's not why. Right, right. Maybe pussy IRL on game standing on business. Yes, yes. Virtually ten toes down. I don't think you're pussy IRL. I think you got to call your shots. Sometimes you got to be pussy.

2:33:00PFT Commenter:Have you guys thought at all about Game 5 in San Antonio? Three guys?

2:33:09Big Cat:Safety in numbers? I feel good about our three-man? If we were to get jumped. Yeah. I don't think San Antonio is doing the jumping. But if we were, you punch and run. So big group follows you, you swing, you just have to swing, run, swing, run. What do we think about run and run? Also, you're now saying, Zach, I'm worried about my boy, Zach, if there's a running situation.

2:33:36PFT Commenter:I think adrenaline speed, I might be. Right. But it's like the old saying, like, you don't have to be the fastest. You just don't. You can't be the slowest. So I got to trip somebody. Yeah. You got to trip memes or check a different guy. You might have to be a different guy. No, I think that's what I'm saying. Chase also beast.

2:33:52Big Cat:Yeah. He's yeah. Chay memes got us.

2:33:54PFT Commenter:They got us guys won't fun with Jay. They probably think he knows karate.

2:33:58Big Cat:Krav Maga yeah a little something

2:34:01PFT Commenter:he probably does he probably does dude that's the one thing when you're with Che everything works out for him

2:34:07Big Cat:I can see Che being secret belted yeah

2:34:08PFT Commenter:definitely secret belted alright good show boys numbers 11 oh come on nice

2:34:16Big Cat:1 oh come on 5 I go 3 I'm going 8 I'll go 33 95 We should have been all over 8 Yeah, I'll go 44

2:34:31PFT Commenter:Yeah Actually, I'll go 73

2:34:39Jacob

2:34:40Big Cat:Jacob

2:34:41PFT Commenter:Colton 42

2:34:43Big Cat:12 Jake with 32 points. That's a five. That's a five.

2:34:59Big Cat:Whoa!

2:34:59PFT Commenter:Let's go, Hank!

2:35:02Big Cat:Wow.

2:35:03PFT Commenter:Hank, why'd you pick one?

2:35:05Big Cat:One game at a time for the Spurs. One game at a time. Oh, no, memes. No, that's a great sign. Why? Oh, because Hank's about to have the worst summer of his life.

2:35:16PFT Commenter:Oh. But that is also another person who is.

2:35:20Big Cat:No, no, no, no, no, no. There's one more game left for the Knicks. That's why. It was always going to be one. Thank you, Hank. The Knicks are going to win in five.

2:35:28PFT Commenter:Memes is saying that Hank just submitted that Memes is going to get to watch the Knicks win the championship on Saturday night in person.

2:35:37Big Cat:I don't know how that correlates, but I'm happy I won with one. How does that mean that he's going to have the worst summer ever? It's coming. This list is dwindling. Yeah. I mean, you have the birthday number. Yeah. What a present.

2:35:55PFT Commenter:PFT, Colton, Max. Nope, not Max. PFT, Colton, Memes, and Shane? I didn't get it. Has Shane gotten it? Shane, have you gotten it? No. Okay. Wow. PFT, Colton. Yeesh, man. Is history repeating itself? I already got it. You did not. You did not. I got 10. You did not. You did not get it.

2:36:18Big Cat:You did not. But it also doesn't matter because Hank just won the next championship. I won. He won the next championship. Thank you. I won.

2:36:26PFT Commenter:Good pick, Hank.

2:36:27Big Cat:Thank you. Happy birthday today, Friday, June 12th, to George H.W. Bush, to Drew Holiday, Hideki Matsui, Anne Frank, Richard Sherman, not the football player, but he's a composer. His name's also Richard Sherman. And then happy birthday on Saturday to handsome Hank Lockwood, 34 years old. We love you, Hank. Also, happy birthday to Hassan Whiteside, Chris Evans, and Mary Kate and Ashley Olson. Yep. Nice. Did you share a birthday with them? Yeah. Oh. And Tim Allen. I didn't know that. Yeah, remember when we killed him? Yeah. We could forget. RIP. That was awesome. But also happy birthday. Love you guys.

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