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10:41PFT Commenter:Oh. Oh, I guess I should have thrown my worst-case scenario and the Packers win the Super Bowl, too. Yeah. I'm in conjunction because that definitely is on the table. All right, Zach, Bucs.

10:53Big Cat:Two quick worst-case scenarios for the Buccaneers. One is this is on trend for everyone else, but if Baker Mayfield gets hurt, he's one of the co-captains of the team, has a great hold on the locker room, the guys play for him, that would be catastrophic. Teddy Bridgewater could step up, but I just want to see Baker have a great season. and we got some real weapons and wide receivers this year.

11:13PFT Commenter:I feel like injuries are kind of a cop-out in this exercise because everyone – Injuries are just part of the game. I'll redo mine. Okay.

11:22Big Cat:My other one is if Saquon Barkley avoids the Madden curse and is just on again this year because if Saquon is nice again, I think the Eagles might win the Super Bowl. And I'm trying to go to the Super Bowl. And so if Saquon's on, then it's an issue.

11:38PFT Commenter:That's actually smart because, yeah, they would – If the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, the Bucs will not be going to the Super Bowl. Yes.

11:44Big Cat:And I'm terrified to take one again, so I need the Madden curse to stick. I can redo mine.

11:48PFT Commenter:No, yours was good. Because yours was talking about the roster and that you're a couple years away.

11:53Big Cat:And losing to the Jets twice would be worst case scenario. Oh, okay.

11:56PFT Commenter:Yeah, yeah. That's a good add-on.

11:57Big Cat:I think everyone's worst case scenario is the Jets win the Super Bowl and then memes is just... I actually would like that. I bet on Jets over wins.

12:05PFT Commenter:Okay. Wait, you want to redo yours? Because you know what I mean? Like, everyone could say an injury is... a bad scenario if you lose your best player you're going to be screwed yeah so uh my worst

12:16Big Cat:case scenario then is that it might be the commanders win the super bowl and then i'm just a dick all the time and i'm just like fuck you guys and i completely change and i become a dick head and uh i'm walking around like no one can talk to me and then no one can say anything to me ever again because i won one super bowl yeah that's probably my worst case scenario okay that's

12:34PFT Commenter:that's i hope that doesn't happen yeah i don't think it will i don't think it will all right max

12:40Big Cat:I kind of want PFT to take the headphones off for my worst case scenario

12:44PFT Commenter:PFT will you take the headphones off please

12:46Big Cat:you'll probably end up yelling so I'll be able to hear it anyways without PFT listening to this my worst case scenario is that Jaden Daniels becomes Patrick Mahomes and I have to deal with Patrick Mahomes for the next 15 years in my division if he just takes the next step and it's just unbeatable and is so good and he's just there forever. That's worst case scenario. And don't tell PFD about this. I won't. I don't think about it that often. Yeah. But because the Eagles, we're the better team now and we have young players on defense and everything. But what if Patrick Mahomes is just in my division?

13:28PFT Commenter:What about the Eagles specifically?

13:29Big Cat:The Eagles specifically? Secondary. I'm worried about the secondary. If the secondary just sucks and then our defense isn't the same and then we're playing from behind and then it's a different game. But that, I'm more confident in our defense than I am in Jaden Daniels just not being the best. Okay, okay. Can you put my headphones back? Yeah, you can put your headphones back on. I was just thinking about, actually the scenario, my worst case, it might happen because Jaden Daniels might just be the next Patrick Brohm.

13:57PFT Commenter:Yeah, but a different division. Different division in the NFC East.

14:02Big Cat:Patrick Brohm's in the NFC East. And then I'd have to become the Nick Wright of Jaden Daniels is, and I'd have to just talk to Max all the time. Jaden Daniels beaten no quarterbacks last year, though. Joe Burrow's a pretty good quarterback. Jared Goff's a pretty good quarterback. Baker Mayfield's a pretty good quarterback.

14:15PFT Commenter:Does Jaden Daniels play against quarterbacks?

14:19Big Cat:Like, does... Also a good question. Kinda.

14:20PFT Commenter:Does the quarter... Jared Goff plays defense? No.

14:23Big Cat:Jaden does play against secondaries, and the Eagles... Max, I think you were saying last week that you're very confident in the Eagles secondary. What? Yeah, you did say that last week. When did I... I said that last week? Yeah. I just said that was the one thing I'm not confident in. Oh, I didn't hear that because I didn't have my head. So he wouldn't know that. I said I'm not confident in the Eagles. Oh, you're not? Because that's who plays against Jaden Daniels. Yeah. At least you're not worried about Jaden.

14:46PFT Commenter:PFT is – I think what they call that in the show business, PFT is intentionally playing dumb to you, Max, because he actually did hear everything you said. So now he's saying that the opposite of what you said in terms of the secondary. Maybe Kenny Pickett.

15:05Big Cat:It was almost a tie in the first half of the NFC Championship game at one point. All right, memes. Jets win five or six games, miss the playoffs, get outside the top ten, and miss out on a really good quarterback.

15:19PFT Commenter:So you just described exactly what's going to happen. Can I bet on that? Wait, memes, that was not even close to a leap.

15:29Big Cat:That's a worst-case scenario. I think you just described the Jets' season. Both can be true. The Jets season and the worst case scenario can be true. The Jets winning too many games might be the worst thing that can happen to you. Too many games is, I think, we're in the playoffs. Would you rather them win nine games or three? Three.

15:49PFT Commenter:If I had to bet.

15:50Big Cat:Does nine get you in the playoffs? No. Three. If I had to bet. That is a lie, by the way. Yeah. That is a lie. Memes is like all of us. It's like week to week, he's going to want to win. on Sundays you can't stop memes from coming out of that locker room and competing his balls off but in the macro if memes was a GM he'd say yeah ideally the best case scenario would be we win three games this year we get a great

16:12PFT Commenter:draft pick but like all these scenarios are like there's a chance but maybe it's not you know a full on what you described I feel like it's a 90 % chance of what's going to happen the Jets win about six games we'll find out week one that's that's a beauty football memes i actually like you guys on on sunday i'm gonna bet on the jets they have to they have to win sunday yeah it's a must win yeah uh okay let's not have any of these scenarios happen let's not have any of these scenarios happen agreed agreed really suck you think that if caleb was dog shit they wouldn't i think they would still play him another year think about how many guys get three years there's levels to dog shit though yeah of course if he's like all all out talk shit but like if it's more like i know he's bad but they're gonna have to give him a third year because they always give guys that draft that high three years i think the

17:04Big Cat:problem would be and i don't think it's gonna happen i've been on record saying i think that caleb's gonna be very improved next year i think that the bears are gonna be better than people think that they're gonna be but if it goes sideways the problem is caleb and his dad are going to have a media feeding frenzy this off season oh yeah and they'll they'll burn some bridges fine though so i don't know that he would come back for another year the organization is definitely equipped for that it's totally fine it's fine by ben johnson and i think gilbert's

17:34PFT Commenter:gonna have a good year i think yeah i think uh but i i love that you guys have a monday primetime game oh fuck you hank you're such a sicko and a pervert and a weirdo uh but that's the thing with the one one pick is like you always i think they always get three years i i would have to look it

17:50Big Cat:up but i feel like guys always get three years yeah so if caleb were to be traded right now before the season what do you think one first round pick i have no idea but it's but that's

18:01PFT Commenter:where it's like tricky it's like i i agree with you in a sense like you the middle ground but the middle ground could mean that he could be good enough that like if you get the roster up you could have a decent team right whereas like if he's dog shit i think they would play him another year and it would be like he's dog shit game manager that would be very funny if people started

18:19Big Cat:to refer to Caleb as being a game manager. I mean, I said game manager. Game manager.

18:25PFT Commenter:Okay, should we do, let's see, MVP. Everyone got an MVP pick? I'm taking Joe Burrow this year. Joe Burrow's my pick. You know what? That was going to be my pick, but I'm going to change. I'm going to change.

18:37Big Cat:I'm taking Jordan Love.

18:38PFT Commenter:What are the odds for on the DraftKings Sportsbook? You're such a dick. I can't exist. No, no, you could take Burrow. We could all take Burrow. I think the Packers are going to be filthy. That's not even trolling either. You heard Prisco say it. Burroughs plus 550. Plus 550 in this DraftKings Sports recap. What do you got, PFT?

19:01Big Cat:I'm going to bet him again this year. I did it last year. It almost worked out. Lamar Jackson.

19:06PFT Commenter:Okay, Jordan Love is 20-1 on the DraftKings Sports recap. Lamar Jackson is also plus 550. Boys in the booth, you guys got to pick?

19:15Big Cat:I'm picking Jalen Hurts. Everyone hates him. and thinks that he sucks, and then he's going to play on a chip in his shoulder, and he's going to win MVP. Whoa. And Super Bowl MVP. Mumbled there. I got what Zach's probably going to pick.

19:27PFT Commenter:Baker?

19:27Big Cat:Yeah. I like that. I'm also going to pick Baker Mayfield.

19:31PFT Commenter:I like that. I like Baker.

19:33Big Cat:Plus 2 ,500. Weapons.

19:35PFT Commenter:I kind of like the Bucs.

19:36Big Cat:On the DraftKings Sports Bowl.

19:37PFT Commenter:Bucs to win the Super Bowl just as a long shot. What's that odds at? Give me that real quick. I do like the Bucs this year a lot. High on them. Do you guys want to do least improved? Yes. Least improved player of the year. A very mean award. But go ahead, Hank.

20:00Big Cat:It's just going to be tough because he had such a blazing hot first year. And they have a much harder schedule. Jane Daniels. I honestly agree. That is also my pick. Oh, I think these are great picks. Listen, I've noticed that he's been getting a lot of hate recently in the media. That's fine. Chip on his shoulder. We'll be good. Bucks are 25 to 1 to win the Super Bowl.

20:23PFT Commenter:Wait, he's... Jaden Taylor hasn't been getting hate in the media. I just heard two people... What was that? What did you just say?

20:31Big Cat:I just heard... Fact or fiction. Okay. I heard two people, two of the biggest voices in sports media, just say that he was going to regress this year. I also...

20:40PFT Commenter:No, they didn't say he was going to regress. Least improved doesn't mean he regresses. He just doesn't get better.

20:46Big Cat:One of the guys definitely said that he was not going to live up to that first year. If he stays exactly the same, that could be the least improved. I just said the thing I'm most worried about is him being Patrick Mahomes. You didn't have your headphones on. I didn't hear that. But I did hear one guy say that he's not going to live up to what happened in his first year. And this guy is locked in on NFL rosters.

21:05PFT Commenter:Have you tried to find any actual hate for Jaden Daniels in the world?

21:11Big Cat:It's mostly the comment sections. Okay. Mostly like - You can't, yeah. That doesn't count. Little bro ass. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of little bro ass. I feel like you can't even find that. Yeah, I know. That's really hard to find as well. Eagles fans? There's a lot of little bro ass out there. Do you think so? Yeah. You're finding the little bro ass. I'm seeing the little bro ass, and then when I see the little bro ass, I remember the little bro ass. Are you searching the little bro ass? You can't go online without seeing little bro ass. Yeah, but are you getting up and be like, I'm going to find where the little bro ass is?

21:41Big Cat:asses. Lou bro ass might not be a direct question. It might be an amalgamation of all the hate that he's getting that I've combined into one succinct phrase in my brain that sums it up nicely.

21:51PFT Commenter:Yeah, I mean, this is like when Nick Saban would be like, you know, they don't believe in us. Yeah. I don't think I've seen anyone say anything bad about Jaden Daniels. It's all, he's a top five quarterback.

22:04Big Cat:I've seen it. I've seen it. Well, the NFL top 100, he was in the teens. Oh, no. Yeah, which everybody We all pay attention to that.

22:14PFT Commenter:Okay, least improved is Jaden Daniels for you two. So you're right, PFT. There's a little bro ass going around. I'm going to say least improved player, and it is kind of a hard one because he kind of stunk last year at times. I think Kyler Murray is just not going to get it. I think he's already been what he's been. He's not going to get it. It's just what we see from Kyler Murray, the first couple years were great. Everything else, I think it's just going to stay exactly the same. There's going to be a couple games where we're like, holy shit, he's awesome. And then he's just not.

22:45Big Cat:Okay. Mine is going to be a similar quarterback. And a guy that we kind of believe in a little bit, that it was cool to see his bounce back last year at the end, I think it might be Bryce Young. Because he was perfect. So it's going to be hard to replicate what happened at the end of 2024.

23:04PFT Commenter:Okay. We'll have to check these against the numbers.

23:07Big Cat:Little bro might be ass.

23:08PFT Commenter:Might be ass. And he is the little. He's the littlest bro. Yeah. Zach?

23:13Big Cat:My least improved player for this upcoming season is going to be Aaron Rodgers. He didn't play most of the season last year due to injury. I think he's going to regret.

23:21PFT Commenter:He played every game.

23:24Big Cat:My bad. I might be mixed up. I might be in a little bit of a blender. I think he's going to regret playing this year. I think he's old. I think he needs to go enjoy the fruits of his labor. I apologize for the year pivot. That's on me. Your pivot's happened.

23:35PFT Commenter:He was a top five quarterback at one point.

23:38Big Cat:I think he's just going to be like, I should just go to Boca, go to the beach, enjoy my life. Yeah.

23:44PFT Commenter:Statistically, he was top five quarterback in passing yards and touchdowns. It was because the Jets hadn't taken a bye yet, and he played a Thursday night game before anyone else played that week. So he had like two extra games than everyone else.

23:56Big Cat:I'm out on Aaron Rodgers. I was wrong.

24:00PFT Commenter:That was a perfect storm of statistical data that your brain couldn't handle.

24:06Big Cat:It said that he was in the top five. I was like, oh, my God. He's sick.

24:10PFT Commenter:Two more starts than everyone else at that given point.

24:13Big Cat:But, Memes, I don't hate it. You got to scratch and claw to fight for your guy. Yeah. Memes, least improved. Patrick Mahomes. Oh.

24:21PFT Commenter:Well, he was kind of maybe a down year last year. He was definitely headed down year statistically last year. You think he's going to not improve off that?

24:28Big Cat:AFC West is better. He's already really good, so it's hard to improve after being that good.

24:35PFT Commenter:But he was bad last year at times. Like, statistically, Patrick Mahomes had a bad year for him.

24:41Big Cat:Yeah, I just think he's on the downhill. Oh.

24:45PFT Commenter:How old is Mahomes now? 28? Yeah, he's getting old.

24:48Big Cat:Getting real old. He's getting super old. What about Najee Harris? Least improved. Yeah. That was my other. Did you see that he's been cleared? No. Oh, Patrick Mahomes is about to be 30. Really?

25:00PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's going to be 30 in two weeks. Najee Harris is a good one.

25:03Big Cat:yeah he's cleared for full contact i was also thinking maybe sam darnold sam darnold yeah but he's pretty good last year he was pretty good until the last few games of the season yeah but

25:13PFT Commenter:like the whole i'm taking the totality of last year versus the totality of this year yeah could

25:18Big Cat:be least improved i think that's probably a good point yeah we saw maybe the peak of sam darnold

25:23PFT Commenter:last year yeah least improved uh okay do you guys want to do your super bowl picks and then we'll We'll do the new...

25:30Big Cat:Oh, I have such a good guy for comeback.

25:32PFT Commenter:Oh, do it. Let's do comeback player of the year. Yes, sorry. That's my bad. Go. Give it to us. Ready? Yes. Carson Wentz. You shut the fuck up.

25:43Big Cat:I actually don't hate that. Goes to the Vikings. J.J. McCarthy, like, isn't it? And they're like, all right, actually, we need one more year behind him. I don't hate that. Carson Wentz comes in. Is the Vikings quarterback guy? Gets them to the playoffs after they go down. lose their first three games, Carson Wentz. I hate it. I don't hate that. Max, would you be so mad? No, I would be so happy. The Eagles are good. I don't have any ill will towards Carson Wentz. We won that breakup, so it's like I want him to have some success. That trade that you guys got from the Colts, maybe one of the all-time great fleecings.

26:22Big Cat:It was a great trade. Yeah. Great trade. All-time. He's going to love that stadium. That's the stadium that kills all those birds because they fly into the wall. That's right. Yeah.

26:31PFT Commenter:That's right. All right. My comeback player of the year. I'm going with Dak Prescott, I think, is going to win this award. Okay. I think he's going to win this award because I think he's going to – I think the Cowboys are not going to be great, but I think Dak is going to put up his numbers. And we're going to play with that whole, like, ooh, are the Cowboys – is Dak Prescott one of the top five quarterbacks? Like, that whole discourse is going to happen at some point this year, but they're still going to stink. Mm-hmm. You just kept saying numbers, and me just kept saying three.

27:02PFT Commenter:uh what are the what's the comeback player of the year uh numbers plus 275 oh okay never mind cancel that because that's way too uh he's the favorite by far oh what about what a little dj little bud a little daniel jones 20 to 1 comeback player of the year i kind of like that i always

27:22Big Cat:like the guys that wouldn't come back player of the year coming back from sucking yeah like There's no injury. It's like they were just bad at football. Yeah. And holy shit, this guy doesn't suck anymore.

27:31PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's not as bad as he was. PFT Hank?

27:34Big Cat:I'm going Trevor Lawrence. He's 5-1, but it's kind of a gamble. I like it. He got injured at the end of the year. Injured at the end of the year, new coach, offensive coach. Stepping into his throws now? Might work out, might not, but it could happen. Okay. All right. You guys are going to hate this one. Big Cat especially because I know how he feels about this team Tua Tua comeback player of the year I mean I like Tua so I don't hate this one I thought you were going to say Joe Milton Joe Milton that's not a comeback player of the year Everyone knows that Joe Milton's always been great You can't come back from greatness I don't hate the Tua pick But if everything goes right in Miami He still has Tyreek Hill if everything goes right He still has a great Offensive mind in Mike McDaniels If everything goes right It's the everything goes right.

28:24Big Cat:If it's a perfect storm for Tua, then yes, he will win that award.

28:29PFT Commenter:Are you a little worried you might be a year early on that? What do you mean? He needs to suck again? No, get hurt again. You're a year early on him playing a full season.

28:38Big Cat:No, I think Tua's got it this year. He's got it? He's got it. They're going to limit the hits that he takes? He's been practicing karate? He's been practicing falling down. Yep. They've probably got the slip and slide out there. They've probably got the pad that he's practicing getting tackled onto.

28:52PFT Commenter:No, I don't hate that pick because when Tua plays, he's, like, decent.

28:56Big Cat:It's just he's got to play. And all he has to do is just find Tyreek downfield. Yeah. Fuck it. Tyreek down there somewhere.

29:02PFT Commenter:Well, and also Tyreek has to stay downfield.

29:04Big Cat:That's true.

29:05PFT Commenter:He's got to stay on the team.

29:06Big Cat:He's got to stay on the team. He's got to stay off the internet. Videos need to – he just needs to put up a filter online being, like, any video of Tyreek Hill that comes out is blocked.

29:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. All right. Super Bowl picks. Or, sorry, you have Comeback Player of the Year, Memes and Max. Zach?

29:24Big Cat:Max Crosby plus 2 ,500.

29:26PFT Commenter:Okay.

29:28Big Cat:Nick Chubb, new team, fresh start, physical running back, fun to watch. Love that. What are two's odds? Is he up there? Two's got to be up there. 25 to 1 on the DraftKings Sportsbook.

29:39PFT Commenter:Okay. That's good. All right. Last one. Super Bowl picks, and then we'll do hot seat, cool thrown, and get to our duel and Pete Prisco and Michael Irvin. Hank?

29:50Big Cat:Green Bay Packers 12 win the Super Bowl win the Super Bowl man really you really liked that Prisco interview I just it's I mean the NFC North is tough but I just feel like they're the Micah Parsons is a huge ad they got it all I got a question for you Hank yeah do you trust Matt LaFleur I do you do I like Matt LaFleur I've always liked him you trust him big game big moment Yeah, I mean, he's had – it's kind of like he's – it's the progression of being a coach of his caliber. He's a great coach. He's obviously gone through it. He's been in these spots before. This is kind of the next step. All right.

30:31Big Cat:PFT? I'm going to go with Detroit. Okay. The Lions, 14-1. 14-1. They still have a great roster. Hutchinson back on the field, that's going to make a big difference. Jared Goff is him. They've got a good offense. All right. Zach not to sound like a delusional fan but I do think we have a great team this year in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and I think there's a legitimate opportunity for us to go to the Super Bowl okay

30:58PFT Commenter:so you're going to pick them as your Super Bowl pick

31:00Big Cat:I'm going to take them as a Super Bowl pick

31:02PFT Commenter:that might be a little chalk I like 25-1, no it's the opposite of chalk

31:09Big Cat:Eagles are the obvious pick so I'm going to go elsewhere Eagles are my number one pick but if I weren't to say Eagles I'm going to go with the Denver Broncos 22-1. Defense is incredible. Bo Nix takes the next step. I think they're a fun team at 22-1.

31:27PFT Commenter:Memes.

31:30Big Cat:I like the Ravens, plus 600, but I'm going to go with the Rams, plus 2200.

31:36PFT Commenter:Okay. I like that pick.

31:38Big Cat:Devontae Adams is a huge upgrade.

31:40PFT Commenter:All right. The Bills is who I think is going to win the Super Bowl. if you wanted a long shot. I do. I just can't quit the Bengals 25 to 1. Just think Joe Burrow in a playoff setting. That defense could just be halfway decent. Just halfway decent.

31:57Big Cat:I don't hate it. 25 to 1. You know what I've been to? Recently, I've been doing the fast futures on DraftKings. Yeah. So they're futures, but they expire after four weeks. So it's really just the first month of the season. I got Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels to combine for 600 plus rushing yards after four weeks. So it's a perfect bet because if one has a down week, it doesn't matter. The other can run for 150 yards. You feel good about it. So it's combined for 600 plus rushing yards after four weeks. I got a plus 1400. I think it's down to plus a thousand. Now still, I think a good bet. Still a fun bet.

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34:18Big Cat:My hot seat is Team Europe. We're talking Ryder Cup, talking Ryder Cup. They announced their captain's pick when, you know, USA announced theirs. There's a lot of memes and tweets and stuff of people making fun of the U.S. team for being serious and stoic on their call, like on the video call. Everyone had a straight face. Team Europe announced theirs, I think, on Sunday or Monday. And to kind of troll Team USA, they made sure that everyone on their call was smiling and happy face. And it just made me want to beat them that much more.

34:48PFT Commenter:I'm so excited for the Ryder Cup. And we got to win. Got to win.

34:52Big Cat:We got to win. Got to win. Got to go. We got to go. My cool throne is Max Johnson. Yeah. Bad night for UNC. Very bad night. Why would it happen? They got smoked by TCU.

35:05PFT Commenter:Can I ask a question?

35:06Big Cat:Yep.

35:07PFT Commenter:Because we recorded, obviously, the game is still going on, but now the dust has settled. We're a date and removed. At what point is it legacy tarnishing for Belichick?

35:17Big Cat:It's not. It's different sport, different league. Well, it's the same exact sport.

35:22PFT Commenter:It's football. It's the same exact sport.

35:23Big Cat:But different. It's college. I mean, there's Nick Saban.

35:25PFT Commenter:Is that why you don't watch college football? What about Nick Saban? Because you don't think it's football?

35:29Big Cat:Him being horrible in the NFL doesn't tarnish his legacy. Timeline. Yeah. Now, if Belichick left after like nine weeks and then got rehired by the NFL and then won like six Super Bowls, then legacy back on.

35:42PFT Commenter:I don't. Listen.

35:43Big Cat:He was great in college before he went to the NFL. What? Like Saban was good and then he was bad and then he was good.

35:50PFT Commenter:Yeah. Right. He finished good.

35:52Big Cat:Finished good. That's an important part. But not in NFL. He's never had a – he's never was never in the NFL. Right, but he's the greatest – He's proven that you can be good in one NFL or college and not this. Okay, so you're right.

36:04PFT Commenter:I see what you're saying. But Saban also, like, it wasn't catastrophic. I'm asking if it's, like, catastrophic catastrophic. Like, is there a time where he's got to bail? And, again, I don't think, like, it's legacy tarnishing. No one's going to be like, Bill Belichick can't coach football. He's not the best NFL coach of all time. it's more weird weird shit when it happens at the end kind of changes how people like see it a little

36:27Big Cat:bit it leaves a bad taste i don't think so i think and i think in if it's a complete disaster which i don't think it will be but if it is in 10 years people will kind of just forget it ever even

36:36PFT Commenter:happened okay all right there's a legacy in the nfl is so good that it's kind of it's it's not

36:40Big Cat:people won't remember it's very college if you went to an nfl team and was a disaster different

36:45PFT Commenter:story i think okay okay because then you can play the brady belichick thing yeah but max johnson

36:50Big Cat:almost lost his leg last year came all the way back threw a touchdown to his brother yeah

36:54PFT Commenter:big bad brad was in the stands wild some things love that big time some things uh do you think they're gonna turn around yeah because you are as a diehard unc fan as of this season that was a

37:09Big Cat:tough night yeah it was but again it's a long season yeah different sport different sport it

37:16PFT Commenter:is all right uh pft your hot seat cool throw my hot seat is jerry o 'connell okay because we've got

37:23Big Cat:our fantasy draft coming up and jerry has been not the most responsive to text messages you can tell he's feeling the pressure right now and the league just upped the buy-in that we're in now it'll interest you to know that uh the one guy that was very opposed to upping the buy-in well Well, actually, there were two. One was Jerry because he kept saying he had to check with his wife and his wife said no. Despite the fact that per page six of the New York Post, he said that him and his wife have separate bank accounts. Right. So Jerry's using his wife as an excuse to cheap out. Correct. Even though we know that that money is coming out of his account.

37:56Big Cat:Correct. And we just paid him$6 million to host Camp Barstool. Mm-hmm. And Jerry, I believe Jerry - $60. Yes. $60 million. $60 million. Also, Jerry has taken it upon himself to set the draft order in this league, again, despite nobody asking him to, which I appreciate the self-starting by Jerry. Somebody's got to do it. Someone has to step up. So Jerry set the draft order, and he has us drafting fourth. Seems like that's a spot that he would have put himself in. This would be the second year in a row that he gave himself an advantageous pick in the fantasy draft. And now the league is kind of revolting against Jerry for, once again, declaring a draft order without checking with anybody else.

38:36Big Cat:So, Jerry on the hot seat.

38:38PFT Commenter:Do you agree with my take about draft orders in fantasy?

38:41Big Cat:I do. I don't really care where I draft.

38:43PFT Commenter:I don't understand why people get so upset about where they draft or like it's rigged for the draft. I actually would rather not have the first pick in a fantasy draft. I think that sucks because you're like, this guy has to be good and he can't get injured because I'm not going to pick him again for like 20 picks.

39:02Big Cat:I'm actually okay with you. Four is a great spot. Yeah, four is a perfect spot.

39:04PFT Commenter:Four is a great spot. I actually love having like seven or eight and getting watching like the first six picks go and then knowing you can wrap around. I just people get it like they're like, I see a lot of it because I pick, you know, people will ask me, can you do the draft for me? And I pick the draft. It's like, oh, it's rigged. It's like, dude, what does it matter? It's a snake draft.

39:25Big Cat:Like, who cares? Yeah, that's the whole point of a snake draft is that it makes it advantageous even to go at the end of the draft. I actually that's the one spot. I don't like going last. Oh, I like going last. Just because you feel like I'm not going to get anyone good. And then it comes to you and you're like, oh, I can get two good players.

39:40PFT Commenter:Yeah, I like going last.

39:41Big Cat:I don't like being square in the middle. I like, you know, when my pick is up, be like, I got two guys.

39:46PFT Commenter:But see, that's why I feel like you can argue this a million different ways and it's all the same because, like, being in the middle to me, whenever I get in the middle when I'm, like, five or six, I'm like, guess what? There won't be any runs without me getting a pick in. You know what I mean? Like, there won't be the crazy, oh, everyone just took all the quarterbacks and I'm sitting there and I don't have a pick for like 15 picks. So it's overrated. All right, go ahead. Your cool throne.

40:10Big Cat:My cool throne is actually the Carolina Tar Heels because Belichick said after the game that we're better than what we were tonight. That's good. So they're not that bad per Belichick. He sees it in practice. I don't know. Do they practice? That implies that they practice. I don't know what they're doing. Because every single thing that could go wrong did go wrong. Like they couldn't hand the ball off. They couldn't pitch the ball. that they couldn't tackle they couldn't catch it was bad they most of the night couldn't throw they had one great drive that first drive also if you look back on some of the tweets especially from like skip bayless uh after that first drive oh he's like oh look what bill's back big time the hell that bill is about to unleash on college football is incredible i think he said uh wow Wow, Belichick has a national championship offense.

40:59Big Cat:Heels just shredded the Frogs' defense. It's... But yeah, I think... I'm going to trust Bill. He's forgotten more about football than anyone has ever known, which literally might be the case. I don't know. He's getting older. But yeah, he said, listen, you saw a team that was unrecognizable to me tonight. We're not that bad. We're way better than what we showed up. Okay. Or maybe they're unrecognizable.

41:24PFT Commenter:They could be worse.

41:26Big Cat:They might be worse.

41:27PFT Commenter:They could be worse than that. Yep. All right. My hot seat is us because we keep forgetting to do it, but let's do it, Zach. Give us, you have like 10 to 15 names, some new same faces, new places.

41:42Big Cat:Give it to us. Give us the names, and then do we want to try to guess what we are? Yeah, we can guess them. One name at a time? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. I've got Sincere McCormick.

41:51PFT Commenter:Oh, I don't know. Ooh. That was a tough start. Very tough. Really tough start. I thought you were going to do guys who are maybe a little...

42:01Big Cat:We can pivot. Okay, no, no, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. I got you. Daniel Jones. Wait, where's Sincere at?

42:09PFT Commenter:I just haven't been very tuned in to where Sincere McCormick's been going. But Daniel Jones, good follow-up, Colts. Where is Sincere McCormick?

42:21Big Cat:He's now with the San Francisco 49ers. Okay.

42:23PFT Commenter:All right.

42:24Big Cat:Formerly the Las Vegas Raiders.

42:26PFT Commenter:Okay, that was huge. All right, so Daniel Jones Colts were one for two.

42:30Big Cat:Can you pick it? Can you pick it? Is not in Cleveland. No, he got traded. You went to the Raiders?

42:36PFT Commenter:Yes, the Raiders. Back up for the Raiders. All right, that is correct. Okay.

42:40Big Cat:Tim Jones. Tim Jones.

42:45PFT Commenter:Can you use it in a sentence? Yeah. Use Tim Jones in a sentence. Tim Jones plays football for the. Hey, Tim Jones is one of those guys that plays football.

42:56Big Cat:Tim Jones has fled from one team he has now found a new home at. And it's very cold.

43:03PFT Commenter:Vikings.

43:03Big Cat:That is correct. Oh, right.

43:05PFT Commenter:Well, that was just the coldest team I could think of. Okay.

43:08Big Cat:DK Metcalf.

43:09PFT Commenter:He's on the Steelers. Yeah.

43:12Big Cat:Stephon Diggs.

43:13PFT Commenter:He's on the Patriots.

43:17Big Cat:Jermichael Hastie.

43:19PFT Commenter:Don't know. Don't know.

43:22Big Cat:Very warm. Miami. Yes, sir.

43:27PFT Commenter:I got one for you that I forgot a little bit because of maybe our lack of hard knocks, or just kind of blocked out, but Joey Bosa being on the bills. Yeah. That's going to take me a second where he's going to get a sack like week two, and I'm going to be like, oh, yeah, nice. What other ones?

43:46Big Cat:Braxton Berrios?

43:47PFT Commenter:Texans.

43:48Big Cat:That is correct.

43:49PFT Commenter:Yeah. I follow his girlfriend online.

43:52Big Cat:Audrick Estime?

43:57PFT Commenter:Don't know I was high on him

43:59Big Cat:Eagles Oh After camp

44:02PFT Commenter:Okay

44:03Big Cat:Zach do this one Puna Ford Oh he is on He is on the Rams Rams Didn't even have to leave the building

44:10PFT Commenter:Yeah he just went across the hallway Puna Ford

44:13Big Cat:Quick trip How did the Chargers let him out the door

44:15PFT Commenter:Max do you see any others on the list that he should do

44:17Big Cat:I just really wanted him to do Puna Ford Yeah That was Yeah I can't see the list Gary Brightwell? Don't know. What are Gary Brightwell's career stats?

44:32PFT Commenter:Can you give us Gary Brightwell what state?

44:38Big Cat:State of origin. You want the state?

44:40PFT Commenter:The state of moving from.

44:42Big Cat:The state of moving from would be Ohio.

44:46PFT Commenter:Okay. The state he moved to. He just said, what state is Cincinnati? What state is Cincinnati?

44:57Big Cat:That would also be Ohio. So he moved from Ohio to Ohio. Okay, great. Well, I know that he was on the Bengals last year.

45:03PFT Commenter:No, he was on the Browns. He just whispered, what state is Cincinnati? And when I asked from.

45:10Big Cat:I thought this booth was a safe space. It's not a safe space. You said it out loud. You can hear it. You said it out loud.

45:15PFT Commenter:I watched you say it.

45:16Big Cat:I thought he was on the Bengals last year.

45:20PFT Commenter:No, I'm pretty sure he was on the Browns last year Now he's on the Bengals, right?

45:25Big Cat:I think we're going Ohio to Ohio, yes

45:26PFT Commenter:It's an Ohio to Ohio transfer

45:29Big Cat:He was signed by the Bengals in early November last year

45:34PFT Commenter:So he's still on the Bengals

45:36Big Cat:Oh no, he got released Yeah So he's not on the Bengals anymore Oh, so none of this is right Per Wikipedia, Gary Brightwell has been released Sir, a second Ohio team has released Gary Brightwell.

45:50PFT Commenter:Well, I'm happy we got the Gary Brightwell updates because that was important.

45:58Big Cat:I mean, he's too good of a player to just sit out there. Yeah.

46:00PFT Commenter:Oh, he's on the practice squad. Okay, good.

46:03Big Cat:That's huge.

46:04PFT Commenter:He's on the Bengals practice squad.

46:05Big Cat:All right, you got last one? Brian Robinson Jr. He's on the 49ers. Yeah. That is correct. Yes, sir. He's going to be like Forrest Gump meeting LBJ when he sees Ricky Pirasol. Good job. You want to see my scar?

46:16PFT Commenter:Good job with where I do. Was there any others? I don't think there's any other. I guess like I'll throw a couple out there. I forgot Mac Jones was on the 49ers. Yeah, it's usually like backups where I'm like, oh shit, that guy's there. Cooper Rush is on the Ravens now. That's right. Yeah. Who else? You ready for this one? This one actually is a very good one that we all need to remember. Gardner Minshew is a chief. because that will fuck us up that will that will definitely fuck us up when that happens um cooper cup is a seahawk yes yeah davante adams is a ram yep yep

47:00Big Cat:javante williams cowboy cowboy that's one rico daddle panther yeah that yeah yeah

47:07PFT Commenter:jk dobbins jk dobbins is a bronco yep yeah see i'm good on these ones the gary brightwell's that really messed me out.

47:16Big Cat:I mean, that's on us for not knowing Gary Brightwell. Shout out Gary Brightwell. Seems like a good dude. Gary Brightwell.

47:22PFT Commenter:He was on the Bengals last year. He got cut, and now he's on the practice squad for the Bengals. But we got it. We got that right. He's going to be an impact call-up.

47:31Big Cat:We got that. They're going to bring him up after like three weeks.

47:34PFT Commenter:Yeah, we got that one right big time. And DeAndre Hopkins Ravens, remember that. Okay, let's do – oh, my cool throne. My cool throne, I don't have a cool throne. Where's Odell Beckham? Odell Beckham's on the street, I believe.

47:51Big Cat:He's just chilling?

47:52PFT Commenter:Yeah.

47:54Big Cat:I think he's just chilling. Somebody needs to sign Odell Beckham. Someone definitely needs to sign Odell Beckham. And Jadavion Clowney.

47:59PFT Commenter:Yeah. Didn't you say you were going to do Trump? Oh, yeah. Trump, because I think he's alive? Choose your own adventure.

48:05Big Cat:Choose your own adventure. Is Donald Trump dead or alive? Still alive person of the year is Donald Trump. We're going to do it. It's a very special award that we hardly ever do. A mid-season takeies award.

48:13PFT Commenter:I don't understand what's going on because it's like, one, like what actually is going on. I would let you know what actually is happening. Two, from the people who brought you Joe Biden is totally fine are now like we haven't seen Trump in like 24 hours. So he must be dead.

48:35Big Cat:We've all lost our brain. Well, it's also like a week without him doing a press conference. Okay. And he loves doing press conference.

48:42PFT Commenter:Okay, so that's when it's because I couldn't figure it out.

48:44Big Cat:They're also posting pictures as if they're in real time, but coders are going back and figuring out that they're old pictures. So they posted a picture of him golfing with Gruden on Sunday. I saw that. But we know that he golfed with Gruden a week ago. So is he alive? He's alive. Actually, worst case scenario for all of us, Trump dies, and then the start of the NFL season gets pushed back. Oh, I don't think they would. Didn't they do that with JFK? they might have football's a different time now that was the middle of the season too

49:15PFT Commenter:I don't think that's true they wouldn't take away week one

49:18Big Cat:that was November yeah Jim Irsay was like top is down yeah

49:23PFT Commenter:um okay so he's we don't know alright fun fun fun online I guess I don't fucking know I just I just it was laughing because it literally is the people who were like Joe Biden is totally fine and then Trump who could be dead I have no idea doesn't play golf for a couple days are like, dude's dead.

49:42Big Cat:He's not dead. I don't think he's dead, but there's speculation that some sort of event bad thing happened. I think there was rumors that there was a secret ambulance going to the White House.

49:54PFT Commenter:I saw his hand.

49:55Big Cat:Yeah. It looked discolored. It's a bunch of, you know, I'm hearing this. I'm hearing this.

49:59PFT Commenter:How about we do this thing where we just stop electing politicians that are like 90 years old? Yeah. That would be a good idea. We don't have to do this whole, like, hey, is he or is he not? What's going on with him? Yeah. Except Pelosi. Those cannons can stay. They ain't going nowhere. They're timeless. Those things are timeless. I think I would TF those. Oh, yes, you would. Yes, you would. Yes, you would. All right, Zach, finish us off. Hot seat, cool throne.

50:28Big Cat:My hot seat this week is going to be running 2K and Mike Wang. Ronnie 2K being the face of NBA 2K.

50:33PFT Commenter:The way he says these things, I thought for a second you said you were running 2K. like a race. Oh, like a distance race. Yeah, you said it so fast. I was like, what's going on? All right, Ronnie 2K and Mike Wang.

50:46Big Cat:I got to slow it down. I'm going to start working on enunciation. We're going to slow down the cadence here. That's on me. I've been working on it. It's not working out well so far. Oh, I got you. Ronnie 2K is face of NBA 2K. Mike Wang, developer for 2K Sports. NBA 2K is out if you pre-ordered. Game hasn't even come out for regular orders until September 5th. Great game. Good shooting. Defense could be buffed a little bit. but there's already you guys are familiar with the Kronizim? Yep. Kronizim. Scripts are already out for 2K 20 26 so when you shoot a shot you hit a green like perfect release so the Kronizim is a piece of hardware you plug into your controller and they already got scripts to just just hack on rage hack on the game.

51:26Big Cat:So it's like Game Genie? Possibly. You're not familiar with Game Genie? I'm not familiar with Game Genie. Game Genie was the best because you would just plug your like Nintendo game into the Game Genie and then you put the Game Genie into the console and then you would just hack the entire game.

51:41PFT Commenter:Yeah, you could just go to the last level with Game Genie.

51:44Big Cat:We're Game Genie-ing, but it's online play and it's just people just rage hacking.

51:49PFT Commenter:Hank, you follow that? I know.

51:50Big Cat:Hank said yes so quickly right there. I know the Cronus. That's a Call of Duty thing. Already got the two-case scripts. All right, your cool throne? My cool throne is to say I had the Cronus because I was so good. That's a great compliment, Hank. Were they saying crones? okay cool throne my cool throne is that kaiser night he launched a mafia on three and that's always a fun time of year because he's on for 24 hours a day 30 days in a row is he buying stream is he buying bots there there's bot allegations uh there's some charts that suggest maybe botting some that say no but his concurrence are still up in like the hundreds of thousands

52:24PFT Commenter:post bot allegations so yeah he's massive anyway but it's always so funny because like if you are i feel like if you buy bots for these live streams you're just waiting for the day where they get rid of the bots and you're just fucked does anybody ever get away with it for life

52:37Big Cat:bots yeah i think there's definitely tons of guys still botting currently that aren't getting called

52:41PFT Commenter:out no i think the bots they always they always find the bots it feels like just anecdotally

52:47Big Cat:speaking also a lot of times like a third part like just fans will bot accounts so like you're not even the one botting yourself but you still get by allegations because anyone could just go throw yeah 23 000 concurrent at your they're false spotting people yeah got it okay um all right

53:02PFT Commenter:good hot seat cool throne let's do our mount rushmore duel and then we will get to pete prisco and michael awesome interview with michael irvin talking about the new cowboys documentary before we get to the mount rushmore duel chevy football season is here and whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff there's one ride that's always game ready chevy silverado the chevy silverado is a longtime partner pardon my take our favorite truck and it's all about grit from job site to tailgate silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task built for the hustle ready for the game silverado is america's most dependable full-size truck for jd power 2025 award information visit jdpower.com slash awards head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own chevy silverado we love the chevy silverado if you're a truck person chevy silverado number one truck out there so go get it for jd power 2025 award information visit jdpower.com slash awards head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own chevy silverado Okay, Mount Rushmore duel time.

54:01PFT Commenter:Here's what we decided on Tuesday's show, and here's how we're going to set it up. It is going to be PFT, Team PFT and Hank versus Team Max and Memes in a three Rushmore duel. Now, both teams have not been given the topics beforehand. We did not collude.

54:23Big Cat:Only Zach and Big Cat know the topics.

54:24PFT Commenter:Only Zach and I know the topics. we are going to say the topic. You guys get 30 seconds to write something down, no Googling, and then we will fire off. Also, are we going to say that because it's 1v1 to start, like it's going to be Max versus PFT and then Hank versus memes, you guys can't talk with each other? Or are you saying that you can't?

54:48Big Cat:No, no, no, no. What? We can't talk with each other. Can't talk with each other. This is me versus Max. Except for I think PFT goes to the couch for the 2v2. Okay. Because that way it's even playing field. We're both sitting next to each other.

54:59PFT Commenter:That's fair. Mega duel. Mega duel. So here's how we're going to do the voting. We're going to release all three polls on Wednesday morning at 7 a.m. so that we can get the most, like, the best voting in terms of people who don't know who picked what. They're just voting blindly. So we'll have this decided by 9 a.m. Unfortunately, if you're listening to this later in the day, you won't get to vote, but at least you'll get to hear how it goes down. And then on Friday, we'll find out who, if you guys are going up against each other, right? Just decide that for one punishment. Or you guys can just take the punishment as a team, too.

55:40PFT Commenter:All right. You guys ready? Yep. Anything else that needs to be discussed? Oh, and also, what we decided on Tuesday's show, if Max and Memes lose, Zach and I are going to do the punishment with them. That is our punishment for colluding on Friday. I think, yeah, so we have to sweep. Have to sweep. Team PFT and Hank have to sweep to avoid the punishment. No room for air. Should we talk about the punishment real quick? Yes. Okay. So the punishment is going to be the losers of Mount Rushmore season. the week after Thanksgiving we'll do an entire week on the show with a very dark spray tan frosted tips puka shell necklace pop collars entire week possibly cargo shorts yes cargo shorts whole you have to wear it in the office for the whole week the entire week you cannot yeah it has to be no no no but it's going to debut on the show You're going to look absolutely ridiculous.

56:43PFT Commenter:We're waiting until after Thanksgiving because we want it. Everyone's a little tan right now. We want to make sure that it really sticks out. How ridiculous. And we're saying like a couple layers of basically the Jersey Shore. When you close your eyes and think of the memes that would go around like the Jaegermeister guy or whatever. Jaeger bombs. Jaeger bombs from like 2010. That guy. I'm thinking radioactive Jeff D. Low vibes. Yeah. Like. They're orange. Very orange. People are like, holy fuck, what is going on with you? What is wrong with you? All right. Who's up first? Mount Rushmore Duel.

57:20PFT Commenter:Anybody, anywhere, anytime. So, Max. It's you and me, PFD. We're up first. Okay. Would you like to announce the topics? I'm so bad at thinking on my feet. Are you? Yeah.

57:33Big Cat:Yeah, you're more of a sitting guy. Do you have the finalized list? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

57:39PFT Commenter:I actually, I'm going to switch, I'm going to switch who we're going to do it with because I think it's funnier this way. Collusion. No, it's not collusion. It's actually the opposite of collusion because if you want to say we told you one way, we switched it at the last minute. That's like, what is it? What's the, the people who keep the like Oscars and Emmys, Pricewaterhouse?

58:00Big Cat:Oh, the, yeah, the big five accounting.

58:03PFT Commenter:Yeah. And Young. Yeah. So there's no way of you guys to have known because if anyone had leaked it, we switched it last second so that you guys would not be able to collude. All right. Here we go. I'll say the first one, Zach. You say the second one. Memes.

58:19Big Cat:Yes, sir.

58:20PFT Commenter:Memes, keep your mic on. Keep your mic on, Memes. That's a good call. All right, Max.

58:26Big Cat:Yeah, well, I'll keep our mics on.

58:27PFT Commenter:Max and PFT, you are going to do the Mount Rushmore of people you'd switch lives with. Ooh. It's a good topic, right? Mm-hmm. Good topic. Mm-hmm. Good topic. Who's going to go first? I think Max. Max, you guys decide. Max and Memes, do you guys want to go first the first time and first the third time, or do you want the snake first and third?

58:59Big Cat:What do you think, Max?

59:04Big Cat:I'll let Max go second for this one. Okay, so he'll go second.

59:08PFT Commenter:He'll go second in this one, and then you guys will go second in the last one. Yes. Okay. All right. I'm going to give you guys another 45 seconds. Let's talk amongst ourselves. Memes, Zach. Max took his headphones off to think. I'll give you a minute. memes max or sorry memes hank zach uh what do you guys want to talk about you can feel the intense thought it's right now max has his hands over his ears like a baby he looks like a four year old with a fire truck going by for those at home he doesn't have much written down he's a little late on this pft is going to go first i have the timer set you have 30 seconds

59:52Big Cat:you have 30 seconds feeling like you should be able you should hear that you have 30 seconds Definitely going to be like a chef, like a Food Network chef. Someone on the Philadelphia Eagles.

1:00:03PFT Commenter:Yep. This is a tough one, but it's fun. It's fun. This is a fun one.

1:00:10Big Cat:There's so many lives you could swap with. You can't spoil this, but his first pick is 100 % going to be Guy Fieri.

1:00:20PFT Commenter:PFT has about four solid names written down. Max is struggling. And time.

1:00:28Big Cat:Time. He has. Time, tell me. He's got three names. Stop talking. Time, tell him time. Time, time, time, time. You had 30 seconds. Oh, time. I have three names written down. I'm panicked. I panicked.

1:00:42PFT Commenter:Okay. The duels aren't for everyone. I mean, I'm panicking too because we have to do this with you. We need Max to perform here. Yeah, Max. You got to step up, buddy. All right. PFT, you have the first pick in Mount Rushmore of people you would like to trade lives with. This is a tough one.

1:01:02Big Cat:This is a tough one-one. Okay.

1:01:07PFT Commenter:You're in a better spot than me, I promise you. I'm happy we did this one and not the other one because the other one would have broken Max's game. Okay. The other one has at least a fair.

1:01:16Big Cat:All right, number one. I'm going to go with Leonardo DiCaprio.

1:01:21PFT Commenter:Okay. Okay. Dating 25-year-olds. I like boats. Yep. Good pick. Thank you.

1:01:27Big Cat:Okay. I am going to go with my number one pick, Timothy Chalamet.

1:01:34PFT Commenter:Okay. Good pick. Good pick.

1:01:39Big Cat:My number two...

1:01:45Big Cat:My number two will be... Your life is so sweet.

1:01:51PFT Commenter:You can't even think of anyone.

1:01:57Big Cat:Cristiano Ronaldo.

1:01:58PFT Commenter:Oh, okay. I didn't even have that one on my board.

1:02:01Big Cat:Didn't have that on my board. Okay. Last second, I don't know. That was a bad, whatever. That was a panic pick. All right. Panicked. Yep. Okay. Why did I say that?

1:02:14Big Cat:I'm going to go with Josh Allen. I had that. Oh, good pick. You should have taken him. Why'd you say Cristiano Ronaldo? I don't know. No, he was – now I'm really fucked. So you could look at yourself in the mirror and be like, damn, I'm beautiful. I don't know. He's the most famous guy ever. Girls are obsessed with him. All right. Next pick. Saudi money. Yeah.

1:02:34PFT Commenter:Dave Portnoy. Oh, interesting.

1:02:38Big Cat:Josh Allen's sick. A lot of cash. Just gamble all the time. Interesting. Make your own hours. Interesting. You've got great dogs. He's got a lot of work coming up this football season. But that you don't really have to do.

1:02:51PFT Commenter:He does. If you don't feel like it. Well, then I have to do it. Yeah, exactly. Fuck. You got this, man.

1:03:00Big Cat:Okay, Max. Okay. I'm going to go back to my original name that I had. Wait, I have two picks? You have two picks. Okay. First pick, Scotty Scheffler. Okay, good pick. It would be awesome to just be... Awesome at golf. Like, just so much better than everyone else at golf. Yep. Wouldn't have that same head of hair. Yep. this next pick is going to be a bad pick. I know it's going to be a bad pick. Don't make it that. But I can't think. Make a good pick instead. But it's not that bad of a pick. No, it's probably a pretty bad pick. Oh, man. He is crumbling. I'm going to go with. Crumbling. Okay. My last pick.

1:03:43Big Cat:Would you like to go? Do you have a pick instead? I'm ready to go, Matt. You're giving up your last pick? Come on. Come on, Matt. Like the Minnesota Vikings on draft picks? Come on, Max. You got four people relying on you. Come on, Max.

1:03:55PFT Commenter:This is bad, Max. I want to collude so bad right now, but I'm not going to. I am going to go with my last pick.

1:04:05Big Cat:I just can't. Jesus. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on. Come on, Max. You got to say your name. You got to go. Fuck it. This is the only thing I got. Shohei. I don't know why. Okay.

1:04:17PFT Commenter:No, that's not a bad pick.

1:04:19Big Cat:Shohei was my pick. That's not a bad pick. Okay, my last pick. I'm going to go with MySpaceTom. The guy that founded MySpace has hundreds. Oh, no. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. I don't give a fuck if Hank, that's a great pick. Dude has hundreds of millions of dollars and he just fucked off. And now he lives on an island somewhere.

1:04:37PFT Commenter:This poll just got interesting. Yeah.

1:04:40Big Cat:You both kind of blew. No, you guys are wrong. MySpaceTom is a great pick. Also, by the way, that whole time I was trying to buy time, I was trying to think of a single musician. Couldn't think of one. Couldn't think of a single musician.

1:04:56PFT Commenter:All right. Let's save honorable mentions. I'm going to give Zach, let's give these guys their next Mount Rushmore topic because they're going to need a little time. This is what you guys would have been given, but we decided to flip it at the last second because we thought the minds of Hank and Memes will be very funny doing this one. Oh, boy. Yeah. Zach, would you like to debut it? And then we'll discuss the honorable mentions.

1:05:25Big Cat:Memes and Hank, you'll be competing in the Mount Rushmore of Inventions.

1:05:31PFT Commenter:There's no way. We thought that would have been a little tilted in PFT's favor. Mount Rushmore of what? Inventions. Oh, wow. URs Max would have been not fair, but this is very fair. I crushed Max in that one.

1:05:42Big Cat:All right, so. You can't even think of a thing. Honorable mentions. You can name one human. Let's talk about honorable mentions. I thought about Shohei. I said, no, that's a bad pick. No one thought maybe Bezos? I thought about Bezos, but everyone hates Bezos. I know, but that's so much money. But everyone hates him.

1:06:01PFT Commenter:What about Steph Curry? Steph Curry would be so sick. Steph Curry would be so sick. Steph Curry's a good one. The only basketball player I could think of was LeBron. Yeah, Steph Curry, universally loved.

1:06:13Big Cat:And then I went Wemby, and I was like, that would suck being that tall. This is all what was going through my head.

1:06:18PFT Commenter:Steph Curry, normal-sized guy, yeah. Yeah, Steph Curry would be awesome. Who else? Who else would we? Guy Fieri, we thought you were going to take Guy Fieri. Guy Fieri's a good one. Guy Fieri would have been a great one. I still can't think of a musician. Yeah, I mean, the musicians are, like, old.

1:06:37Big Cat:Post Malone's pretty chill.

1:06:39PFT Commenter:Yeah. John Summit. Trey. John Summit would have been a good answer.

1:06:44Big Cat:50 Cent.

1:06:45PFT Commenter:50 Cent. Trey would have been sick. No, I like my list. I like my list. No, you don't. Jalen Hurts. You like my list. John Mayer. John Mayer would be cool. John Mayer would be really cool. John Mayer would be cool. Do your own music. Do dead music. John Mayer. No, but Swifties fucking hate you.

1:07:00Big Cat:Who cares?

1:07:01PFT Commenter:They hate us anyway. It's true.

1:07:03Big Cat:I almost said I went back to the well of the Kentucky Derby winning horse. because then you just get to retire and just fuck all day. But then that opens me up to you would fuck horses. Yeah. Yeah. And that would be a problem. Has anyone been keeping track of this time?

1:07:18PFT Commenter:They're going to need a little bit of time for inventions. Who else? Putin probably has a pretty good life.

1:07:24Big Cat:Why didn't you do Jaden Daniels? Putin, he hasn't really gotten paid yet. Yeah, but he's going to get paid. Also, the no girls thing. Yeah. That's panic. Jason Kelsey also would be a good one. Joe Burrow.

1:07:37PFT Commenter:Joe Burrow would have been a sick one That would have been a sick one Cause Josh Allen is married Yeah Joe Burrow still single That's true Yeah I'm trying to think who else Oh I would have maybe thrown out like a Usain Bolt or something Just be the fastest man ever That'd be sick Would be fucking awesome

1:07:58Big Cat:What about Travis Kelsey

1:08:02PFT Commenter:Travis Kelsey yeah Although What

1:08:06Big Cat:Butt. Yeah.

1:08:08PFT Commenter:It'd be sick. Yeah.

1:08:10Big Cat:What do you mean? What do you mean? What was that pause about? I just said, but. Kind of waited for a while there. Sounded like something on your minds.

1:08:16PFT Commenter:It would be so sick.

1:08:18Big Cat:Cat got your tongue? What's up? Yeah.

1:08:20PFT Commenter:It'd be so, so sick. Trying to think who else. I can't believe I just couldn't think of. Who's like the richest? Who's. It would be kind of sick to be like Stephen Jones. Jerry Jones's son? Yeah. I don't think so. Pick another, you know, or pick an owner's son that gets to, like, you know you're going to get to own the team forever. Tony Khan? Tony Khan would be sick. Tony Khan would be great. Tony Khan would be sick. He gets to do wrestling, and he's going to get to do the Jaguars. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, there's some owner's sons out there. Tom Brady? Tom Brady. We're getting a lot of time. Yeah. All right.

1:09:00PFT Commenter:You guys good? I'm good. All right. All right. Let's do it. Here we go. You have the first pick, Memes. This is the Mount Rushmore of inventions.

1:09:06Big Cat:We're leaving mics on. Yep.

1:09:09PFT Commenter:Come on, Hank. Hey, Hank.

1:09:11Big Cat:You got the ball, Hank. I'm not even going to look at you memes. I was panicking so much. I had Shohei written down. I crossed it out and I wrote it again.

1:09:24Big Cat:We should put in the pictures of our notes.

1:09:29PFT Commenter:Okay. Whispering. Who's up? Memes. I'm up. I don't know what to pick one.

1:09:36Big Cat:It's tough. The first pick. Would electricity be an invention? Yeah. That's a discovery.

1:09:47PFT Commenter:Is that a discovery or an invention? It's a discovery. Not an invention. No, not an invention. Well, you can go off of electricity. Oh, sorry. We'll go light bulb. Okay. That's an invention. Yeah, good pick. Yeah, light bulb is an invention.

1:10:02Big Cat:We are going to go with I am going to go With the iPhone And the wheel Alright I thought wheel was going to be You got great value on the wheel

1:10:14PFT Commenter:Great value Memes is a little befuddled He felt good about electricity

1:10:20Big Cat:Light bulb was still a good pick

1:10:21PFT Commenter:Yeah but he also was the one who was like Hey are we going to pick You were ready to go Football Okay. That's a good pick. Really, really, really good pick, Memes. Oh, Memes, way to come back. Hank knows that that's a good pick. Well, Hank doesn't like football.

1:10:41Big Cat:We might as well just do best sports. Well, I mean, that's a really good pick. You could have taken football. The ball or the sport. You had two chances to take football. And then follow-up pick, ice cream.

1:10:52PFT Commenter:Oh, also a good pick.

1:10:56Big Cat:we will go with the internet

1:11:01PFT Commenter:okay

1:11:03Big Cat:strong Hank strong gotta close this out Hank and we will go I mean I do do you want me to go I guess you can't you can't collude

1:11:13PFT Commenter:can't coach

1:11:14Big Cat:I'm deciding internally if I should just go with actual historical greatest inventions that you know progressed a nation or just like something you know cheeky like memes is doing

1:11:23PFT Commenter:Oh, well, just do whatever you want to do. Go cheeky. He's the cheekiest boy.

1:11:28Big Cat:Right now I have wheel, iPhone. There's so many fat jokes. No, there's a butt joke. There's a butt about fat, but it's a fat butt. No, your butt's hot. My butt, but that's because I'm fat. Go with the Xbox.

1:11:43PFT Commenter:Ooh, okay. What are PlayStation people going to say to that? You could have said video games. But that's not like It's not I don't know We took Integrity He's Yeah He's about integrity Okay

1:11:58Big Cat:Can't play Xbox without a television Oh Thought you were gonna go TV with last

1:12:02PFT Commenter:That's a tight one That's a tight one

1:12:04Big Cat:You think I should've done cotton gin?

1:12:13Big Cat:No No I think you did better with the Xbox Okay I don't know what a cotton gin does. No. It does something with cotton. Makes liquor out of cotton. Does it? No, I have no idea.

1:12:28PFT Commenter:All right, what did you guys have left off the board? Car? Toilet, guitar, car, credit card chip, bidet, cotton gin, casinos.

1:12:39Big Cat:Yeah, car shoes, chilies, music, Benihana. Music? Benihana. Double-decker taco, a gun. I just wrote heat on here. A toilet, the metric system, high-speed trains. I thought of so many things. I could only think of three people. Did you take AC? No, that's a good one. Dude, air conditioning, that would be on my list. Would alcohol? Alcohol would have played, right? Alcohol. What about fire? That's, I guess, kind of discovery, too.

1:13:07PFT Commenter:That's discovery, yeah.

1:13:09Big Cat:Planes? Cocaine?

1:13:12PFT Commenter:Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. All right, that was a good Mount Rushmore.

1:13:15Big Cat:Good.

1:13:16PFT Commenter:I feel good about that. All right. The last one. So we'll give you the last one. I think maybe for the podcast listeners, maybe we edit out the time that you guys are going to be able to think because we won't. Zach and I won't talk during this because we want you guys to be able to really. We got to go.

1:13:33Big Cat:Everyone headphones off, too.

1:13:34PFT Commenter:Headphones off. So we'll give you five full minutes and we'll edit this part out of you guys thinking. Okay. Can Zach sit in your seat? Five full minutes.

1:13:46Big Cat:Because we need to get headphones over there. Can you just bring those headphones to Hank's seat, and then you use PFT's headphones?

1:13:57PFT Commenter:Yeah, five full minutes, because it's a little bit of a tricky one. We were going to go letter, but then we realized the AWLs would be very upset about that. Didn't want to have it be decided on a letter. No Googling. If you wanted to play at home, the letter was going to be B. I don't know if anyone wants. Bitches. Bitches. Burgers. Butt stuff. Basketballs.

1:14:21Big Cat:Blow jobs.

1:14:22PFT Commenter:Okay, the finale for the duel is going to be the Mount Rushmore of laws you'd make if you could be lawmaker for a day. Okay. And no Googling. No Googling. All right. I'm going to start the timer right now. Five minutes. We'll cut the five minutes out for the podcast listeners, but I'm going to start the timer now. Okay, we're back. I have a question for the panel, for the judges.

1:14:50Big Cat:Please. Do you think this will matter?

1:14:53PFT Commenter:I don't. I think it probably went 1-1 if I had to guess. I have a question. Yeah. Do these have to be logical? No. Okay, good. Not at all. So it's Mount Rushmore of laws you would make if you were a lawmaker for a day. So the laws stay forever. You just become a lawmaker for a day. And you're like, I want this law. I want that law. I want this law. I think there's no way to know until the polls come out. If they come out, like, if we're doing them hour by hour. Like, if you get them all at once, him shaking his head like that at you is very patronizing.

1:15:27Big Cat:Well, I asked an opinionated question, and he just, you know. He didn't give you an answer. It was a yes or no, and you said... I'm telling you I think they matter if the polls come out hour by hour. If they all come out at once, I think you guys lost.

1:15:39PFT Commenter:Okay. Okay, that makes sense. That's a fair answer. That's actually a fair answer. And what have we decided? They're all coming out at once? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So you guys go first. Hank and PFT, you're up first. Mount Rushmore of laws you'd make if you were a lawmaker for a day.

1:15:54Big Cat:Day after the Super Bowl is a holiday.

1:15:56PFT Commenter:Good pick. We had it.

1:15:57Big Cat:1-1. Good pick. They had it. Then we realize there's a much better pick there. A much better pick. Look at Max. Four-day work week. Oh. All right, communist. Four-day work week. I said that. PFT said no. Well, I thought that there's going to be a lot of people out there being like you entitled millennials and Gen Zers. You don't want to work anymore. You don't know the value of a hard day's work. Four days. You want everything handed to you. Four days. What are we? Europe? People just go to work and mail it in. Max, there's a place. Why not just go and be efficient for four days? I like that they're fighting with each other.

1:16:28PFT Commenter:Max, there's a place like that. It's called Europe. Important question, though, Max. Would it be Monday or Friday?

1:16:35Big Cat:I would say...

1:16:41Friday.

1:16:42PFT Commenter:Wrong answer. Wrong answer. Monday is by far, because you have a regular weekend, and then Monday you use as your get-back day. Yeah, no, I would rather just have a longer weekend. No, it's, Max, the same amount of days.

1:16:57Big Cat:No, but no. because you treat it differently. Friday already is a weekend day. Yeah, but Friday's already the best day on the calendar.

1:17:03PFT Commenter:Monday you erase. Thursday becomes awesome. No, but Thursday already is kind of awesome. But then Wednesday becomes awesome. No, Wednesday is fine. You just have Wednesday. Whatever. You get Monday off, then you get to party all day on Sunday. Right, and then also your Monday is your recoup day, do laundry, go to the gym, all that stuff. Friday you would never do any of that.

1:17:22Big Cat:Yeah, Monday would be like a weekday light. Also, why not just one day work week if we're going illogical? Well, people got to work. Yeah, people got to work. Come on. Not in Max's world. All right. This is another thing that doesn't really make sense in a real world, but this is the one where I asked the question, does it have to be logical? Okay. Yeah, just no work. Okay. No, this one will be - No work and we all get paid. Not no work, but no taxes.

1:17:44PFT Commenter:No taxes. Okay. Good pick. I think these guys might have had it as well. Good pick. We did have that one. Okay. I think that was the first thing Hank said. Mm-hmm. He said, no taxes, no work.

1:17:55Big Cat:Okay. I mean, Hank, think alike. Still get paid. We're going to go with you microwave seafood at work, you go to jail. Oh, I like that one. Good pick. Immediately, you get escorted out in handcuffs. Zach? I think it's a good pick.

1:18:08PFT Commenter:You ever do that at the dealership? No, you got to know. There's just going to be an aroma that you should put other people through with that. Your eyes are so blue and striking from this distance. I appreciate that, Big Cat. Okay. Sorry if that was weird. We were talking about jail, and so Big Cat started going back to the jail thing. Back to the top-bottom bunk.

1:18:25Big Cat:Yeah, yeah. All right. Next pick Ours Yeah Release all the Epstein files Ooh All of them That's a good pick I didn't think of it But that's a really good pick But for real this time That's a really good pick For real this time You're a pedophile Prison That's a really good pick Possibly executed Okay That's a really good pick Our next pick We're gonna go with Universal Healthcare Oh Yeah you guys are taking Europe

1:18:51PFT Commenter:Nice Nice

1:18:53Big Cat:Like that pick To top off Europe we're going to go legalize prostitution. Oh! I like your world.

1:19:03PFT Commenter:That's a good world. I mean, that's the horniest thing anyone's ever said on the show. That's a good world, memes. Were you going to say anything to the horniest accusations?

1:19:13Big Cat:No, legalizing prostitution is actually better. It's better for the women. A lot of women get trapped out. Also, legalize it. Let the women get paid.

1:19:23PFT Commenter:And would you partake in the legalized prostitution? I might become one. Good answer. Great answer. The last pick. Alright, where are we going here? I love the face Hank has because it means that PFT might go rogue.

1:19:38Big Cat:I might go rogue. I love that. I'm gonna go rogue. Commercials have to be the same volume as the TV shows that they're on.

1:19:44PFT Commenter:Okay. Alright. Good pick. Good pick. Good pick.

1:19:48Big Cat:I don't like the fluctuations.

1:19:50PFT Commenter:What else did you guys have?

1:19:53Big Cat:We had

1:19:55PFT Commenter:banning all the things that a convenience store is asking for a tip.

1:19:58Big Cat:Oh, that's good. We had a refund on all subscriptions that you haven't used in a year. I like that. I would have picked all games have to go over. That's a good one. Memes that's not exactly similar, but sports related. You can say that. Sports owners need to sell their team if the team doesn't make the playoffs for five years. Yeah, that's my rule. Yeah, I like that. I had just arrest Max. Yep. I would just arrest Max. Fix all roads.

1:20:27PFT Commenter:Oh, good one. That's good. Fix all roads is a great one. But no traffic.

1:20:32Big Cat:No traffic. You just fix them without having to spend the time to get them fixed.

1:20:37PFT Commenter:Just like everyone does a week off and we just fix all the roads.

1:20:41Big Cat:That's a great idea. Why don't we do that during COVID? If we just did one week and no more traffic.

1:20:47PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:20:47Big Cat:Everyone stay inside for one week, no more traffic. Drugs are all legal if you can prove that you can handle them. I said that, and Mim said that was a bad idea. If you can hang? If you can hang, yeah. You do like a supervised hang sesh with a monitor. And they're like, okay, this guy's cool. Okay. High-speed trains. That was on my last one, too. I just like looking at the maps. Yeah, you guys drafted Europe in Mount Rushmore, which is... That's something I would expect out of Hank, to be honest. Hank, you were fighting against PFT for my picks. Well, Hank loves Europe. We know that. Well, no, that's just specifically the work one.

1:21:24Big Cat:Taxes? Yeah, but there's places in America with no taxes. Or whatever. No state income tax.

1:21:33Big Cat:All right. All right. I think we might have gone two for three.

1:21:36PFT Commenter:Yeah, we'll see. I think it was a vote. I feel good. This is fun. I feel good. All right. Good Mount Rushmore duel, boys. I feel like everyone put their best foot forward.

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1:22:50PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite guests. It's become a tradition. He's a very special guest. It's Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBSSports.com and analyst for CBS Sports HQ. Pete, it's the best week of the year. Football is back. We're ready to roll. We want to do a comprehensive NFL preview with you. Let's maybe do it a little bit in order. Do you want to go division by division? Because it might be, and then we can pop up with questions here and there? Yeah, sure. All right. Let's do it that way. All right. Let's not revisit all my stupid picks from a year ago either. What was the stupidest?

1:23:26PFT Commenter:I had forgotten what your stupid picks were last year. By the way, I almost just said, what was the stupidest pick? What was the dumbest pick you had? Will Levis would be really good. Oh. And then the year before, you had Jaguars in the Super Bowl. The schedule, though. You remember the schedule? Yeah. Yeah, the schedule. The schedule. Yeah, but we didn't know Doug Peterson would be a disaster, did we? Okay. All right. So, yeah, this doesn't really bode well for our big NFL preview when we start with that. All right. Let's start with – let's do the AFC East first. Bills, easy winner for the Bills.

1:23:56PFT Commenter:Tell us your thoughts about the AFC East. Maybe surprise team. I have a take, and you can tell me if I'm wrong. I think the Dolphins have a chance to be disastrous. I tend to agree with you. I don't like that team at all. I think they're going to have big changes after the season. I would agree with you 100 % on the Dolphins. I think the Bills run away with it. And if you look at the Bills' schedule, the Bills' schedule is as favorable as any first-place team has ever had. They play all the tough teams at home. They don't go any further west than Houston when they play the Texans. And they have the look, to me, of a 13-win team.

1:24:33I really believe that. Maybe 14. I think they run away with the division, their class of it. Look at their schedule to open the season before they play the Chiefs. If they beat the Ravens, now the Ravens is a tough game at home, but you're supposed to win that game on a Sunday night. And then look at the next games before they play the Chiefs. They should be winning every one of those games.

1:24:52PFT Commenter:Yeah, they have the Jets, Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Falcons, Panthers. Yeah, I mean, schedule. You're right. That's a nice schedule to start the season.

1:25:01Big Cat:It sounds like you're saying that you're not a believer just yet in Drake May. No, I'm a believer in Drake May. I'm just not a believer in that team this year. I think they're a year away. I think getting Vrabel in there, they'll instill the toughness. They have six new guys starting on defense. I mean, that they picked up in free agency. That's hard to mesh that group together. But I think next year, they're going to be really good. So I think they're a year away. Okay. What about the South, the AFC South? Are you thinking the Jaguars? I mean, it's kind of a make or break year.

1:25:32PFT Commenter:Memes just is like, what the fuck? because we didn't say anything about the Jets. We'll come back to the Jets.

1:25:37Big Cat:We'll circle back. We'll put them in a holding pattern right now. What about the South, Pete? The Jaguars. I think the division's bad. I'll start there. I don't think it's a very good division. I think the Texans' schedule is brutal. I don't think they've improved their offensive line, but I'm still picking them. I think their defense is going to be nasty, but it's going to be close. I think Jacksonville's going to be right there with them. The winner will win nine games. They're not going to run away with it. None of those teams in that division are very good. And so I think the Texans are the best team because of their defense.

1:26:08But I worry about their offensive line. I mean, you've got a rookie starting at left tackle and nursery. The right tackle is okay. The two guards, Tomlinson and Ed Ingram, was the worst lineman on Minnesota last year. I just don't like their offensive line, and I think that's going to be a problem for them. I think they win the division barely over Jackson.

1:26:27PFT Commenter:What's a successful season for the Titans in Cam Ward? because I'm excited about Cam Ward, and I think the Titans could maybe be a little bit friskier than people expect and be in some of these games and maybe have a say in the AFC South whether they win it or not, but a team that can beat a Texans late, can beat a Jaguars late, and upset the whole division. Yeah, I don't think they have enough talent on that team. I think he's going to be okay. He didn't look great in the preseason, I'll be honest with you, but I think he's going to be good. He's smart. He's accurate. He can throw the football.

1:27:00He's got that first one in, last one out. So I do think he'll be good. I just don't know where the talent is on that team. They think they've upgraded the offensive line by getting Dan Moore. He wasn't that good last year. I think the offensive line might be better, but not how much better. Aside from Ridley, where's he throwing the football to? And defensively, they just don't have a lot of playmakers outside of Simmons. So I don't know how much better they'll be. I think they're another team you've got to look to the future. The question is, does Brian Callahan get to be part of that future?

1:27:29Big Cat:And what about the Colts? Because some are saying that if Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton, then the Colts should make the playoffs this year. Do you think Daniel Jones can be Andy Dalton? No, I don't think he's going to be that good. Again, I get the idea that don't mess it up. Turn and hand the ball off to Taylor. Pretty good offensive line. Playmakers off the play action. You got the tight end. The rookie tight end Warren's going to catch a ton of passes. So I get that whole idea. but I don't know if Daniel Jones is capable of putting it on his right arm when he has to. Andy Dalton could at times.

1:28:03I mean, Andy Dalton threw the ball around pretty well at times. I don't know if Daniel Jones could do that. So I don't think they're a playoff team. The fact that it was a competition with Anthony Richardson speaks a lot of things about Daniel Jones, but it also speaks a lot of things about Anthony Richardson and where the Colts are. They could have changes after the season.

1:28:20PFT Commenter:So in your advanced analytics, and really you watch the tape more than anything, your tape watcher uh what type of bump do you give the Colts just not having Gus Bradley in the building anymore well there would be less predictable but you know it's funny they replaced it with Anna Rumo who was predictable in Cincinnati right yeah I mean at the end yeah but for a while he was a pretty good coordinator but then they played all kind all they did was play zone and it became very predictable in fact they had a lot of guys that were man-to-man corners that should have been playing more man they played zone so i do think they'll be better on defense uh they they also have some corner issues i mean they were going to start a rookie corner and he got hurt uh the kid from minnesota and he went down and now they're going to start jalen jones at one corner so they're going to have some problems at corner as well i do think they'll be a little bit better on defense again it's daniel jones if the game's on the line in the third and fourth quarter can daniel jones go win the game with his right arm i don't know if he can danny dimes yeah i mean

1:29:21Big Cat:I see the fact that he spent half a season in Minnesota, and I'm like, he's fixed. And he's going to come out, he's going to be great. That's my blind analytics going into the season. I like that. Well, everybody goes to Minnesota, gets fixed, right? Sam Darnold got fixed, and J.J. McCarthy's going to suddenly be able to hit everything that he never could hit before. It's all getting fixed in Minnesota. Yeah. All right, so what about the AFC West? Tell me what you think about the Chiefs going into this year. You think Xavier Worthy is like a true number one threat now at receiver for the Chiefs?

1:29:52I don't know if he's a true number one. There's only so many true number ones, but I think he's going to be their number one. Give us the true number ones. Jefferson, Chase, Tyreek Hill when he's playing focused. Brian Thomas will be a true number one. There aren't many of them. We're getting to the limit right there. We're getting close to it. All right.

1:30:16Big Cat:So, yeah. What do you think about – what should we expect out of Xavier Worthy in that offense this year? Here's what you're going to expect out of the offense. I think Mahomes is going to get back to looking like Mahomes again. I think they're going to get the ball down the field. You mentioned Worthy got the speed. Hollywood Brown can run. When Rice gets back, he can go. And the biggest difference will be the offensive line. Josh Simmons was the best offensive lineman in the draft. It wasn't close. He had the knee issue. He had some off-the-field stuff guys were concerned about. Not problems, but just was he as focused as he should be.

1:30:47He steps in there now. He's going to be one of the best left tackles. Now the line, you move the Sumatia to left guard. They're bigger and stronger. They already had two really good ones in Humphrey and Trey Smith. And Jawan Taylor played hurt all last year. So it's going to be time for Mahomes to throw the ball down the field. For the first time in a long time, he's going to look like Mahomes. The ball will go down the field. He's going to put up better numbers. They're going to be right smack dab in the middle of it all again.

1:31:13Big Cat:So are you picking the Chiefs to win that division? Yes. All right, so who's fighting for second? Who do you see finishing second place in the AFC West? Denver. I think Denver's defense is unreal. I think they're good across the board. You add Greenlaw to the defense, he's going to help them a great deal. Their corners will be better. They drafted Barron in the first round. I think defensively, they're going to be among the best in the league. The question is, offensively, how do they do? Do they run the ball? I know people rave about their offensive line. It's good. It's not as good. I don't think it's as good as people give it credit for.

1:31:45But can they run the ball and who runs the ball? And I think, you know, when you look at it from that standpoint, is it Dobbins? Everybody wants to get Harvey on the field, but he doesn't pick up the blitzes. And so Peyton's not going to play if you don't pick up the blitzes. So I want to know if they can run the ball. And there's the other part of the equation. now there's a whole season of tape on Bo Nix and how they used them last year does he get better I think he does and talking to some of the coaches talking to Sean Payton at times about him he didn't barely get to his reads last year he was the kind of learning on the fly and he put

1:32:14PFT Commenter:up those numbers so I do think he's going to be better uh am I crazy for thinking the Raiders are going to be in that frisky category just because Gino and Pete Carroll is going to give a little consistency to that organization. I know they probably have a lot of talent gaps, but am I crazy for thinking they're going to be one of those teams that's, you know, middle of the pack, not saying playoffs, but again, a team that could maybe beat some good teams down the stretch and have an impact on the playoff picture. Yeah, they might win five games. Okay, so that's a no. That's a no. No. That's a nice way of saying no.

1:32:50No, when I look at their defense, there's not a lot of talent on it. Crosby is a game wrecker by himself, but they need Koontz to step up and play. And then you look at the cornerback position. I mean, Stokes is going to be one of their starting corners. He was, you know, Packers who have cornerback needs didn't want him. I just think there's not a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball that that will show up. I do think they'll be pretty good on offense. You got two tight ends. And, you know, Bowers is going to be a big time player. He's going to play a lot of mayor. And then you go to the, you go to the, Jente's going to be a great runner.

1:33:21The offensive line is pretty good. and Geno's capable of making plays down the field. So I think offensively they'll be okay. I worry about the defense.

1:33:28Big Cat:So overs. So bet a lot of Raiders overs this year. Correct. I like that. I like that. Like a note.

1:33:33PFT Commenter:What about the Chargers? I know that the Rashawn Slater injury was catastrophic. How do you feel about the Chargers? Because it did feel like last year you got the Harbaugh kind of bump where he gets that team rolling in the right direction. Do they take a step forward? Because this is a big year for Justin Herbert. I know he's gotten paid, but the noise is starting to get there, and I want to see him win the playoff game and be the quarterback that everyone thinks he is. True. This is a big year for him. It's a big year for a lot of these courts. It's a big year for Trevor Lawrence. I think they both have some proving to do, both of them.

1:34:08And so, yeah, I think Herbert has to prove things. When you talk about Slater, all will be okay over there, but he's not Slater. And what that does is it weakens you at two spots because now Trey Pipkins has to go in and play right tackle. So all of a sudden, your two strengths at the tackle positions have become weaker than they were. And I'm not going to say, oh, it's not going to be good at that spot. It'll be okay, pretty good. But he's not going to be Slater. And so you're weak at that two spots. And when you're built on the offensive line being the dominant part of that team, that could be concerning.

1:34:39Defensively, they gave up a ton of yards on the ground last year. That's something that has to stop as well. They went out and got guys, but I don't know if they're that much better. So, yeah, they'll be in the mix with Denver, but I think they're the third team and might be a team on the outside looking in the postseason.

1:34:55Big Cat:I forget, where have you stood historically on the Justin Herbert debate? Are you a fan? Yes, I am. I think he's got all kinds of talent and skill set, and there's been reasons they haven't won in the playoffs. I mean, he did score a boatload at Jacksonville, and the defense gave up a boatload in the second half. That wasn't on him.

1:35:12PFT Commenter:But do you watch the tape? Yes. Okay. What about his body language? eh, don't bother me. What about him dating Madison Beer? Do you give him a little bump in your numbers for that? Is he following in the footsteps of the guy in Buffalo?

1:35:28Big Cat:Madison Beer's very attractive. Yeah, I mean, quarterbacks, yeah. Josh Allen was the first quarterback to date a hot chick. And so Justin Herbert saw that. He's like, the blueprint's out there. I'm going to get one of those. I got to get one of those. Yeah. Well, he's smart if he's doing it. Yeah. Look, I think Justin Herbert's not the problem. with the Chargers. He just isn't. Anybody who thinks he is is misguided. Let's talk AFC East and then we can talk about the Jets afterwards. AFC North and then we can talk about the Jets afterwards.

1:35:56PFT Commenter:We'll save the Jets for the end.

1:35:57Big Cat:Jets at the end. Pete, how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers right now? Based on what you saw out of him last time he was on the Jets, there's our Jets talk, where do you think he is as a quarterback right now? I'll tell you what, the last six games of the season I thought he was back close to being Aaron Rodgers again. I mean, I really, really go back and look at his last six games. He played well. And nobody wants to say, everybody says, oh, he wasn't the same guy. Once he kind of got sort of healthy, he was the same guy with a bad, you know, offensive system and a bad, he had Garrett Wilson, but the team wasn't great.

1:36:31And so I think it wasn't on him. By the way, he threw more touchdown passes than Herbert and Mahomes last year, in case anybody's wondering. So he did, and he tied Josh Allen for a number of touchdown passes too. So I think he's capable. ball i worry about that team though what's the pittsburgh identity it's always been to run the

1:36:48Big Cat:ball they didn't run the ball last year yeah can they run the ball this year they you know they pay jay lamar and is he going to run the ball is johnson the rookie going to be running the ball are they going to run the ball at all that's the if they don't run the ball it's going to be a long season for ferrera rogers yeah is this the is this the year where they they don't go 500 where they dip below well they're not the worst team in the division the browns are so they're probably the third team in the division so maybe they'll be yeah they might they could dip below do you have

1:37:16PFT Commenter:any faith in the Bengals defense going into the season and uh I actually will say in I like that the Bengals started playing their their ones on offense in the preseason because we've seen it time and time again they put themselves in a hole to start the year they didn't do that last year they're a playoff team they would have been dangerous but do you feel like that defense can play just like, what, 20th? If they're the 20th defense, that's a really good football team. Is that fair to say? Yeah, maybe a little better than that. If they're 17th, 16th, the defense are going to be really good. And I think the change in coordinators will be good for them.

1:37:55Al Golden's a good coach, and he's going to be much more aggressive. That to me is the biggest difference. They have corners on that team, Cam Taylor, Britt, Turner, Dax Hill. They're man-to-man guys. They look like they would excel man-to-man, and they will, but he didn't play him in man-to-man, and they looked lost in the zone last year. So I think that will be a big improvement. I think they need to be better against the run, which is key. But, yeah, I think they'll be better on defense. I don't know if they get to 15, but they might get to 17, 18 if they do that. We know that offense is going to score.

1:38:28They're going to be a team to reckon with in that division.

1:38:31Big Cat:Yeah, and so what about the Browns? We talked about the Browns quickly. uh Shador Dylan Gabriel who do you think is going to be the number two and then do you think Joe Flacco is going to get benched before or after week five I'm going to say after week five and I'm going to say Dylan Gabriel will be the first guy in and should be the first guy in he outplayed he outplayed Shador Sanders it wasn't close and he was drafted ahead of him for a reason and nobody wants to hear that but that's the reality of it he's a better player and Shador Sanders holds the ball. He's one of those guys that, you know, he's got to adjust to the NFL game.

1:39:06Open in college is different than open in the NFL, and he hasn't realized that yet. Dylan Gabriel is kind of a little ahead of him.

1:39:13Big Cat:Now, on the film, did you see that the Browns offensive linemen were told not to block as hard for Shador in the preseason? Yeah, I don't know where anybody got that. Guys are fighting for their lives, and everybody's making excuses for them. Look, he was every bit as responsible for some of those sacks as they were and and so the whole narrative that people are working against your door say for what reason what's the reason give me somebody come up with a reason why they're working against them uh they they hate dion because they cheer for a rival school and so then they're upset because of the colorado effect and their team didn't get as much shine even though they were a better team last year and so now they hate your door because of that hypothetically yeah Yeah, I don't believe any of that.

1:39:56Once guys get to the NFL, fans don't give a rat's ass what school you went to. They just don't. I don't buy that.

1:40:02Big Cat:Where'd you go to school again? Right here, baby. Sun Devils.

1:40:05PFT Commenter:Okay. Forks up. Forks up. What's the weakness on the Ravens today? I assume you have the Ravens winning the AFC North. Correct. I do. And what's the weakness? Well, I think it's do they have an edge rusher you have to point to when he comes to the line of scrimmage? And by that, I mean they manufacture pressure. But at some point you get to a certain situation in the playoffs, and they've faced this before, where you come up and you go, there he is, he's going to wreck the game for me. Van Noy, good player, does he wreck the game on his own? No. Mike Green, the rookie, if he's what some people think he can be, he might be that guy by the end of the season.

1:40:41But that, to me, is their biggest weakness right now.

1:40:43PFT Commenter:Okay. Jets? Do we want to wait until the end? Yeah, we'll wait until the end. We'll wait until the end. Let's go to the NFC. One quick thing on the Ravens. they also have to learn to win in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson, I mean, for all the accolades he gets, they have to learn how to win in the playoffs too. He hasn't been as good. So what's your AFC Championship game? You have the Bills and who else? Bills and Chiefs. Bills and Chiefs. And do the Bills finally get over the hump? You betcha.

1:41:12Big Cat:And where's the game? In Buffalo. The game's in Buffalo with those 13-14 wins. They're going to have the Championship game in Buffalo. It's going to be nutty.

1:41:20PFT Commenter:Yeah. NFC East. I'll let you take it away, PFT.

1:41:24Big Cat:NFC East. I feel like the Philadelphia Eagles are the front. Well, they are the betting favorite right now, as well as they should be. I'm actually a little bit interested to see what happens in New York. I feel like with the kind of overhaul that they've done offensively, it might be a different team this year. It might be a team that might challenge for that wild card. Russ is pretty good. Is he? Weird.

1:41:48PFT Commenter:That was bait for you. That was bait for you. Is he? I mean, he's one of the best moon ball throwers that we've ever seen. So he's got that going for him. I just think he's going to be looking over his shoulder the entire time he's playing for the Giants. Because you know they want to play Jackson Dart at some point. They're going to. But I will say this. Their pass rush is going to be nasty. They're going to get after it. They're going to stay in games. Starting this week, they're going to stay in that game against your commanders. It's going to be a close game just because they can rush the passer.

1:42:15They are that kind of team. But I don't think they're going to win a ton of games. and at some point Jackson Dart is playing for the Giants.

1:42:23Big Cat:So excluding Cam Ward, what rookie quarterback are we going to see first? Dart. You think Dart's going to come in before Dylan Gabriel comes in in Cleveland? Yes, I do. What about Tyler Shook? No, I think Rattler's going to play for more than you think. I feel like that might be a week three. I might get Shook down there. That's not what you hear, though, I'm telling you. You hear stuff we don't hear. What are you hearing? It's going to be longer than you think. He was a little in over his head there, and it's going to take him a while. By the way, he's older than Rattler, isn't he? I think he's a year older.

1:43:01I think so. That's a fun fact. I like that. He's closer to my age.

1:43:04Big Cat:All right, so what's going on in Philly? Is there going to be a step back? I don't know if it's going to be a step back, but repeating. Nobody's repeating that division since 2004. Right. I mean, that's tough enough. I do think they'll win the division, though, but I don't think they're repeating. I just don't. It's too hard to do. And, you know, they had losses. You know, losing Bilton Williams and losing sweat, that hurts them on defense. But you know what really hurts them? Debt. Because those guys that are now playing were depth guys, and when you look at their depth, guys are not as good.

1:43:36So I think ultimately that could be a problem for them.

1:43:39Big Cat:All right, and then Dallas. How are things going to go in Dallas? It feels like we're kind of teetering on a season from hell in Dallas just based on how chaotic it's been. but then you look at their offense and you're like, they're actually like very good offensively on paper. I agree with you. I think they're going to score a lot of points. I think Prescott, when he last played, led the league in touchdown passes when he was healthy two years ago, he played the whole season. And then you add pickings to balance the field, the offensive line with three Tylers and two other guys are going to be physical.

1:44:08Even if they're young, they're going to be physical. So I'm with you. Everyone says, well, what about the running game? When Jaden blue's on the field, jayden blue will end up being a big time explosive runner for them so i'm with you offensively they'll be good i worry about that defense particularly with no parsons where do

1:44:23Big Cat:you get the pass rush that's are you gonna ask about the commander i'm gonna ask about the commanders got to uh pete jayden daniels 2025 nfl mvp what do you think about it i think it's possible i don't think it's going to happen but i definitely think it's possible that's all i love the i love the kid i told you guys that last year how much i love that guy and I don't think we come close to seeing the best of him we certainly haven't seen the best of him as a passer not close to it because you know he still got out early last year and some of that had to do with the offensive line I think they've solidified that group by getting Tunsell putting Coleman at left tackle they're big they're strong when they get Cosme back they're going to be really good on the offensive line uh so he's going to have more time I think we've only scratched the surface of him as a passer and the commanders will be happy uh with where he's going after this season so so basically if you're a listener to this show your jaden daniels analysis is max saying that he smiles too much and then me just sucking his dick and being like he's the best quarterback i've ever seen so maybe you can tell like as somebody that watched all the film uh what does he need to do better go through his reads faster not you know when you go through young quarterbacks have a tendency to put their foot in the ground go through the first read and then start moving he needs to go one two three four and then and then or one two three and then move you can't a one, two, three, four and check down.

1:45:42He can't just move after the first one's not there. And for a lot of the last season, that's what he did. So that's why I say now he's going to get to two and three and four. You're going to see a much different passing game out of Jane Daniels. And he's more than capable of putting up big numbers doing it.

1:45:58Big Cat:So on the defensive side for the commanders, the secondary looks completely different than it did a year ago. Like just total wholesale change of everybody that's, that's playing defensive back for the team much better on paper than it was Well, Amos is a big addition because Mike Sanders still goes inside and plays the nickel, which is what he's better suited to play. So they'll be much better there. So what did you see out of Lattimore once he got healthy last year? Was he the same Lattimore that we saw like three, four, five years ago? No, but I still think he was. I don't know if he was ever truly healthy last year.

1:46:31And he's been bothered by that thing, and he's been banged up a little bit this year too. So when he's healthy, he's a really good player, but I don't know if he was ever healthy last year.

1:46:41PFT Commenter:All right, NFC North, loaded division. Let's start with the Vikings. Vikings have an awesome roster. It's basically a question of what is J.J. McCarthy. So J.J. McCarthy, if I told you J.J. McCarthy is the 15th best quarterback in the NFL, are the Vikings a Super Bowl contender? Was Sam Darnold the 15th best quarterback in the NFL last year? He might have played. Yeah, I mean, obviously it fell apart at the end, but they won 14 games last year. But why did it fall apart at the end? Because in large part because of him. Right, so maybe it's J.J. McCarthy. He's the 15th best quarterback, and he also doesn't have the ability to turn into the 30th best quarterback.

1:47:26PFT Commenter:Also, they put a lot of investments in their offensive line. They did. They have. They've gotten bigger and stronger, which they needed to do. I also think they're going to run a lot. I worry about him. I worry about J.J. McCarthy. I wasn't in that class of people who loved him. Tell me if you think this is a fair take on the Vikings. I think they got Jordan Mason. They beefed up their offensive line. They like Aaron Jones still. I think they're going to run the ball a lot, and it's going to be like, hey, J.J. McCarthy, make 10 throws a game. You don't have to make more than that. Maybe not. I mean, if you, you know.

1:48:07And they'll get him outside of boots off the run game. I get it. I get it.

1:48:11PFT Commenter:When I say 10 throws a game, I'm saying 10 throws where it's like it's not a screen pass or, you know, something the first reads right there, a slant. Yeah. Or get him the boot and let him throw the tight end and the little flat and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. They'll make it easy on him if they run the ball. That's the plan. Because I don't know if he can just stand back there and make the throws when he has to out in the pocket. So, you know, particularly he hasn't played. And he wasn't a great passer when he was at Michigan. So I'm worried about him. Good staff. They'll get the best out of him. And they are better in terms of talent, at least on the offensive line and on the interior of the defensive line.

1:48:46But, you know, it's all in the quarterback. If he has a Darnold-like year, they'll be good. I don't know if he will. I don't know if he will.

1:48:52PFT Commenter:It's interesting because that roster is very good. And J.J. McCarthy, it's basically we don't know what J.J. McCarthy is. That's kind of how your analysis of the Vikings has to be. It's like if he's great, they're going to be a Super Bowl contender. If he's bad, he will sink them. By the way, I like the Bears this week at home. Oh, okay. All right, let's talk about the Bears. So I'll tell you things I like about the Bears, and you tell me if you agree. First, Caleb Williams was named a captain. Second, they've been practicing out on grass a lot. Third, they're taking it one game at a time, one play at a time.

1:49:27PFT Commenter:That's what Ben Johnson said. You're going to make me puke. What? You're going to make me puke. Oh, I'm actually just reading Pete Frisco's most recent tweet. He said, football things that annoy me this week. Captain announcement, who cares? Mindset questions, calling practice out on the grass, saying getting it done on the rectangle, taking it one game at a time, one play at a time. No, you don't. I can't stand that garbage. Shut that out loud. Seriously. On the grass? They're doing it on the grass? Yeah. Come on. What is that? You got a problem with grass? well I mean what kind of it's like somebody has a new buzzword and every year and then the buzz phrase and it just spreads like wildfire he hears it he hears it now he says it and he says it same stuff I love when you get old man yells a cloud all right so the Bears yeah let's talk about the Bears real quick I am uh I'm I'm cautiously optimistic I think Caleb has everything around him now uh to hopefully take that step forward I think there's some questions on defense the the pass rush, the secondary has, you know, injuries and guys got to take a step up.

1:50:30PFT Commenter:But are you bullish on the Bears overall? Not this year. I think they're a year away again. I thought that year would come this year. I said that last year, but clearly the coaching staff was a disaster and it wasn't meant to be. But I think Ben Johnson will get the best out of Caleb Williams eventually. I just don't know if he has the running game that he wants to have right now. and you know that's what he wants to do first and foremost. And then you mentioned on defense, where's the other pass rusher? Sweat can rush the pass rusher. What is Grady Jarrett? I love Grady Jarrett, but what's he got left?

1:51:04So there are questions. I think they're a year away, but they will win on opening night.

1:51:08PFT Commenter:Okay, I like that. And listen, a year away is kind of what I'm thinking. I'm thinking if they could get to an 8-9 win team and you see flashes from Caleb Williams who are like, hey, it didn't go well year one, but we're on the right path, I'd be pumped. Yeah, of course. Remember last year I told you that he had a better quarterback than you did. Yeah, no, you did. And it's true. Yeah. You take him right now. You take him right now.

1:51:33Big Cat:I got a question for you. This is kind of with the Bears' pass rush. What team do you think Jadavion Clowney is going to eventually play for this year? He doesn't rush the passer anyways. Good answer. Good answer. Does he do anything? I don't know. He signs a lot of one-year contracts. I know he does

1:51:55PFT Commenter:Speaking of pass rushers, the Packers You're a Packer lover I feel like every year you come on and tell us the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl They added Micah Parsons They got hurt last year No other team has injuries Micah Parsons gets added Is this now a Super Bowl team because of Micah Parsons No, they were my Super Bowl pick Before they added Micah Parsons So now you must be like Are they going to go undefeated? No, they're not going undefeated That's a brutal division, man That's a tough division Yeah. They're not going undefeated, but they were the youngest team in the league last year, had all those injuries.

1:52:27Love was hurt the entire season. They go to Philly and they get that crappy fumble on the, on the kickoff that was, they recovered and, and, and nobody saw the recovery. They lose such a tone for the game and they lose. I think they were still built to win. And you look at them, I'm telling you what, Matthew Goldman might be a star right away. That's how good he is. And I was there for a couple of days in camp. He didn't drop a pass. He's got unbelievable hands. The receiver core, when everybody gets back, this Watson will be back in about six weeks. They're good there. The line's good. They can run the ball.

1:52:58And I still think Jordan Love never got over the injuries last year. You're going to see a different Jordan Love. So offensively, they're going to score points. Defensively, they have some issues still at defensive tackle, particularly with Kenny Clark being traded away. But, man, they're going to get after it, the quarterback, with Parsons and Gary and Van Ness.

1:53:16PFT Commenter:Do you think, like, you do that trade 100 times out of 100 if you're the Packers, right? Like, I was saying that I would take the Bears trading three first-round picks for Parsons because he's that special of a player. Didn't you do that for Khalil Mack once? Yeah, and guess what? It wasn't Khalil Mack that fucked that up. It was Mitch Trubisky not getting better. And by the way, this got younger than Khalil Mack was when you made that trade. Of course. But you agree, though, Khalil Mack was not the problem. No, he wasn't the problem. He was awesome. Yeah. The defensive numbers went up when he got there.

1:53:47He was not the problem. And by the way, Parsons is 26. I normally hate trade and pays. I hate those. I love this one. Yeah. Because he's 26. Yeah. And if they're going to be good, those are going to be like picks number 31 and 32 or 30, right? So it's worth it.

1:54:06Big Cat:I want you to just envision this scenario. If you guys had traded for Micah Parsons and then all that shit about his back came out today. Yeah, he's hurt. him that would have been a bad day for you hurt you would have been very upset about that he's hurt how many guys have bad backs i do i do yeah yeah me too me too you ever had sciatica crawl down your leg yep it's awful let me ask you this pete have you ever been like uh i used to have a bad back now it feels great what are you using for it like i'm just saying like if you have if you have that l4 l5 no but you know how many times are you like it's all better well you know what you guys know if you have it what happens it goes away for periods of time and then it flares up out of the blue.

1:54:44Yeah. And next thing you know, you're on the floor writhing in pain like you haven't felt before. So yeah, I get it.

1:54:49PFT Commenter:I didn't know, guys, your height could get bad backs. Well, yeah. We sit in a chair all damn day. Yeah. You do. I just thought that's like why like, you know, like little dogs live long. Like you're probably going to live to like 110 feet. PK, you got it wrong. My dad's 89. I hope I do. Yeah. I follow that foot steps. Yeah. Yeah.

1:55:08Big Cat:Short guys, we're like 90 % back. So it's like very like. Yeah, we're all back. They wanted me to have surgery for my back And I told them no You got great knees, great neck No back Back is trouble Short temper

1:55:24PFT Commenter:Lions, last team in the NFC North Which is loaded Loaded division I think the Lions defense is going to be really good I know they've lost a lot in terms of the brain drain I do think their defense is going to be very good They were hurt last year and anytime Hutchinson's not on the field, different defense. And they had to compensate by Blitzen. I think the defense will be okay. Where's the other pass rusher? Marcus Davenport, you believe in that? I worry about that. So they've had injuries, you know, McNeil. They've had injuries on the inside of that defense too. And I get it. Everybody, you have new coordinators, but that could be a transition period too.

1:56:02When you lose Ben Johnson and John Morton takes over, I think that could be a little bit of a transition on offense. Here's the other part. They've been really good on the offensive line. And now you have three new starters in there in the interior of that offensive line. So I don't know if they're going to be as good. I worry about the Lions a little bit more than maybe going into last season. I still think they'll be one of the better teams in that division. I think it'll be Packers, Lions, Vikings, and Bears.

1:56:27Big Cat:God damn it. What's the Bears' record this year, Pete? God damn it. Seven. Six or seven.

1:56:33PFT Commenter:All right. Depends on how the seven come. I could be okay. You take seven, and then you take nine or ten next year. Yeah, well, seven if it's like seven and it was a slow start with Caleb learning the offense and they became a dangerous team down the stretch. Okay, sign me up. All right. Seven if Caleb has a really good year and maybe the defense isn't as good because you could fix that.

1:56:52Big Cat:Yeah. What do you think about Jared Goff? Are you a hater? No, I love Jared Goff. You love? Good. Okay. Absolutely not. No. Good. Correct answer. One of the most underappreciated quarterbacks in the NFL. All right. Good answer. We play a game on the show. It's called Preview the NFC South in under 30 seconds. Ready? Go. I love Bucs. Bucs. More Bucs. I think they're one of the teams that can push for the Super Bowl in the NFC. I love the Bucs. I think the makeup. Everybody's back on offense. Once Wurfs gets back and Godwin gets back, they're all back. And you add a Bucca to that equation, they were raving about him when I was there in May.

1:57:27They were raving about him when I was there in July. Their offense is going to be incredible. I think defensively, much faster than they've been over the last couple years. They're going to be the team to beat in that division.

1:57:37Big Cat:That's a great preview of the NFC South. If you were to do an extended version, is there another team that you would speak about for 15 seconds? Bonus time. I think the Falcons are the next best team, but I think they're lacking on the defensive side of the ball. They added those edge rushers, but they're backups right now, and I worry about their secondary. And here's the other thing. They want to run the ball. McGarry's their best run blocker on tackle, and he's now out for the season, so that's a problem.

1:58:03PFT Commenter:Okay, we just hit the Buffalo Wild Wings button where it goes to triple overtime. We kind of like the Panthers this year. I don't. Okay. Why? I don't. No, I think we should leave it at that. That's a great preview. No, Joe, no more. No more. Nothing more about the Panthers.

1:58:20Big Cat:I have one more extension, though. There's been a replay booth. We're getting the refs coming on the field. One untimed down. Preview the New Orleans Saints using one body part sound effect.

1:58:39that was a that was a popcorn fart by the way it's very dry that was a great nfc south preview

1:58:45PFT Commenter:all right let's fit let's finish with the nfc west uh 49ers it feels like everyone forgot about them are you feeling like this is a bounce back here absolutely yeah stars win stars win in the NFL and the most star-laden team in that division still the 49ers you look at it Purdy can play you know people won't want to say he's a star but he's close to it Trent Williams when he's on the field one of the best left tackles in the game he didn't play last year McCaffrey is still one of the best running backs in the game Bosa one of the best edge rushers in the game Warner the best off the ball linebacker in the game and they have good enough players at other spots the only concern is if they do have those injuries again, then they get to the backups, and the backups aren't nearly as good because they pay the stars.

1:59:31So that's a problem. But I think they're the best team in the division when they're all on the field.

1:59:36Big Cat:Okay. All right, what about the Seahawks? What should we expect out of them? I know that, Sam Darnold, you've got questions about them, but I feel like they've got some talent. They've got something working up there a little bit, right? Yeah, I think offensively they'll be okay, but I think defensively they could be pretty good. You know, he's a good defensive coach. They have young talent on that side of the ball. They might be a year away too. And again, if it's a big game, do you trust Sam Darnold? I mean, that's a question. You don't, do you? No. I don't. I don't. No. So that's my concern with them.

2:00:10The Cardinals will be much improved. Oh. But I still worry about Murray.

2:00:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. This is, you know, we talk about proving years for quarterbacks in this league. It's for him. it's a big year because he collapsed down the stretch last year i mean they were cruising remember and he kind of collapsed down the stretch he has to have a big year for them yeah uh and then the rams i i'm high on the rams with a big if matthew stafford stays healthy and i know he's gonna play they announced he's gonna play week one but i don't think that's the question like i always thought he was gonna play week one can he play week 16 17 like that's because that is the team. I know they have a ton of talent, but you can't expect to win games with Stetson Bennett or Jimmy G.

2:00:56No, and here we are back to a back again. I mean, and he's an older guy with a back. Older by NFL standards with a back is never a good combination. And he's such a tough guy that he plays through almost everything. But you know this. There's going to be moments with that back where it flares up. He's not going to be able to play. And how long will he not be able to play? That's the concern there. I'm with you. If he's healthy, they're in the mix for the division. If he's not healthy, they might as well pack their bag and start looking for something down the road.

2:01:24Big Cat:I think that covers every single team in the NFL. I think we hit every last one.

2:01:29PFT Commenter:Is there anyone we're missing? We forgot the Jets. Oh, yeah, the Jets. Do you have time for the Jets? If you have to go, I understand. No, I'm good. What do you got for the Jets? What do you got for the Jets? Memes, why don't you lead the Jets discourse? Well, here's what I have for the Jets. If Justin Fields can do anything on offense, they can be a wild card team. Love that. Because they still have tons of talent on defense. We know Aaron Glenn's going to make them tough and feisty. They'll want to run the ball. I think their offensive line will be better. The second receiver and third receiver is a problem.

2:02:03But Mason Taylor is going to be a big-time pass-catching threat at tight end for them. and I think they can maybe get eight, nine wins and sneak in if Justin Fields can make plays down the field in the passing game but also gimmick up some stuff for him to run around.

2:02:21PFT Commenter:Memes, what do you think about that? Always good when you've got to gimmick some stuff up.

2:02:23Big Cat:That's a great preview, Pete. By the way, that's usually a combination. When you say gimmick stuff up for him, that means your quarterback isn't good enough to stand in the pocket and make throws. Yeah, you hate running quarterbacks. No, I think you have to be able to run, but you got to be able to run and throw, not just take off at the first hint of pressure and get out of there and run around for no reason. Pete, can you make us smarter real quick? Because you do watch every single play by every single team. Who's one guy in the NFL that we should be paying more attention to? Brian Thomas. Okay.

2:02:54Yeah, he's really. I think he's on the bird. And by the way, he doesn't practice great. That's a weird – but when he shows up at games, they go, oh my gosh, he's not a great practice guy.

2:03:04PFT Commenter:What does that entail, not practicing great? He doesn't catch the ball in practice. He drops it in practice. He's not great on the 50-50 balls in practice. It drives them crazy. And yet when he gets in the game, it's like, forget about it. He had a great training camp. He goes down to Miami and works against the Dolphins, and he has a great day of practice against them. He's just one of those guys that shows up on game day, which is fine.

2:03:28Big Cat:Who's one guy that we should be paying less attention to? Less attention to.

2:03:33PFT Commenter:Yeah, good question. That is a good question. Thank you. Good question. Somebody that's going to go pooey, right? Out the window, out the door. Yeah. Not play well.

2:03:43Big Cat:It's just like, don't even worry about it. Or like a guy we pay already the perfect amount of attention to to the point where maybe it's a little too much.

2:03:52PFT Commenter:Kelsey? Oh, Kelsey. Good pick. You don't hate love? Well, we pay a lot of attention to Kelsey, so you're saying dial it back a little. Yeah. Yeah, because look, Kelsey, the football player, isn't the same as he used to be. Let's be real. He's not the greatest pass-catching tight end, one of them, and he's not that anymore. So he's more name than game than he's been in the past. Let's put it that way.

2:04:15Big Cat:That sounded perfect for a Kansas City Chiefs fan to put that on a haters highlight reel at the end of the season when he's at 1 ,000 yards and 13 touchdowns. Yeah. You see when his yards per catch went down under 10 last year for the first time. I mean, that's usually a telltale sign that a guy's getting old, isn't it? And by the way, here's the other thing about him. He said, oh, I worked out this year. I didn't work. Well, why didn't you work out last year?

2:04:38PFT Commenter:True. Good point. Yeah, I could see it, too. Like, it's middle of February, Kansas City, Super Bowl parade. Travis Kelsey's like, and one last thing. There's a short Italian guy in Florida that said, I'm more name than game. And I sold my Taylor Swift tickets, too, by the way. Oh, you did? oh yeah did you get a lot of money for it oh yeah my wife but my wife won the lottery and i didn't really want to go to the first place and this it was at the stadium in miami i hate going down to that place because you can't get in and out of there and so she said my wife looked at me she goes should we just sell them and i go do you want to let's sell them and yeah we didn't go so we so so at that parade they could have both of them yelling at us yeah that would be great

2:05:25Big Cat:Yeah, her next album, she's going to be too happy. She might just write that about you, Pete. Yeah. Okay, well, you know what? I can be a miserable SOP. You know that. Yeah. She can write a lot of songs about me.

2:05:36PFT Commenter:All right, Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off. Where's my shirts, by the way? You haven't sent them to me. I got them. I got you. I got you. Don't worry. Check the mail. Roback.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com, promo code TAKE. What size do you wear? Large. are you really a medium though no I don't wear tight shirts are you one of those guys the SEC burners who tweet out their like oh shit does that look like it's a medium you don't wear a shirt on your bicep dude I know but you don't like him like that

2:06:16Big Cat:he's got business arms where he takes his shirt off you're like whoa

2:06:19PFT Commenter:alright so you have the Bills beating the Chiefs in the NFC Championship game. What's your NFC Championship game and then your Super Bowl and winner? Green Bay over Philly. Okay. And Buffalo over Green Bay. There's going to be a party like they've never felt in Buffalo.

2:06:39Big Cat:That would be insane.

2:06:41PFT Commenter:They'll be thinking about Josh Allen a lot there.

2:06:43Big Cat:Yeah, it'll be in the snow too. I'll probably be thinking about Josh Allen. It'll be the last going to the Super Bowl would be the last game in that stadium. Wow. Yeah, that's right, because they got the pit opening up next door. They closed it. That place is going to be unreal. I'm telling you. Bill's Mafia, there's nothing like it. I know. And I've been around this league a long, long time, but those fans are nuts. And me going to training. By the way, every time I go to training camp in Rochester, I must have 15 Bill's fans come up to me and say, I love you on part of my tank. I love you. That's good.

2:07:22Our people are strong. And you know what I always say to them? I go, they always try and trick me into saying something I shouldn't say, but they never do.

2:07:29Big Cat:Ooh. That is true. Yeah, well, no, you say a lot of stuff that you shouldn't say, but it's more like the Jaguars are going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, we don't find out for a year. Yeah. No, but I'm saying, like, you know, you try and lead me down paths to get me in trouble. Like, if I didn't work for CBS and we were just sitting around shooting the shit, I'd probably get myself in a lot of trouble. Oh, I filtered Prisco. Yeah, you do hate Shador because of your college allegiances, but you admitted to that. No, no. No, no. No, no. It's a football evaluation. And, again, I'd like to see any reasoning why they're against him.

2:08:00Give me one.

2:08:01Big Cat:All right. Rookie of the year. Offense.

2:08:07PFT Commenter:Denty. Okay. Okay. What about defense? Abdul Carter? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, that one seems easy. Coach of the year, McDermott. Okay, MVP. Jordan Love. Okay, that's disgusting. He's also like 37 years old. So we're running this on Wednesday. We already did this segment, but I want to hear yours. Least improved player of the year. Least improved player? Yeah, we do that every year. Boy, who's the least improved player of the year? In other words, he stunk last year and he's going to stink this year. No, he could be really good. No, he could be awesome. He just didn't get better. Oh, okay.

2:08:57That's a tough question for me.

2:08:58Big Cat:Yeah. Tough question. CJ Stroud? Okay. Least improved. That's a good answer. Very good answer. By the way, and I don't think it's going to be his own doing either. Yeah. I think that line's a problem. And once the line's a problem, it really speeds up the quarterback and it becomes a problem for him too. All right. Comeback player of the year.

2:09:19who's the comeback player?

2:09:22Big Cat:Christian McCaffrey? Yeah, that makes sense because I think he's going to be back to being himself again until he tweaks something in week four like he always does.

2:09:30PFT Commenter:Last question. Kirk Cousins plays blank amount of games this year in the NFL. Zero. Wow. And all for the Falcons? Yes. There's some bad blood between him and the Falcons. and he kind of laid them out with the injury stuff after the season. They weren't real thrilled with it. They said, you know what, he's going to sit here and he's going to sit and now he's going to sit there and rot. I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing. What if Penix has a streak of bad three or four games? Do you think that guys in the locker room will want to turn to Kirk Cousins and say, hey, look, we've got a veteran over here.

2:10:08Maybe he can help us win? What if that happens?

2:10:10PFT Commenter:Or what if a team that has a Super Bowl caliber roster gets an injury early and they're like, hey, Kirk Cousins. Okay, but who would that be? Like, give me an example. The Vikings?

2:10:26They could have tried to go get them if they wanted to. 49ers. They've had opportunity to go get them. I know, but I'm just throwing out names. Rams.

2:10:36Big Cat:Yeah. I think they'd stick with what they have. Jimmy G over Kirk? I mean, let's face it. When Kirk gets into a big game, he's going to melt anyways. What's the difference? What about Packers? I mean, maybe. But you really want to bring in a one-year rental money guy like that? I don't know. You got a maybe. I like how you're saying that the Falcons are going to stick it to Kirk Cousins by paying him, what, like$40 million? To not work? He wants to play, though.

2:11:07PFT Commenter:Yeah, no, it's true. He does want to play.

2:11:09Big Cat:I would love to have Kirk Cushing Scott. He kind of stuck it to them, too, a little bit. Look, it's not a good situation. Any way they shake, it's not a good situation. Yeah. Okay. I'm very excited for football, Pete. I'm very excited to talk to you again. Me, too. You look great. Your arms look awesome. Show your arms one more time. You want to see them again? Look at that.

2:11:26PFT Commenter:Yo, Eagles minus 7.5 or Cowboys plus 7.5? Take the points. Okay. Division game. I like the Cowboys offense. Because I'm with you guys on that one. I think they'll score points. Yeah. All right. Thanks so much, Pete. You are the best. Sorry for keeping you up so late. You got this all wrong, by the way. No, no, no. Don't spin this. Don't spin it that way. For people who are watching on YouTube, you might have noticed when Pete first joined, he had to take off his sleep little – he has a little, like, pajama hat that he wears to bed every night because he actually goes to bed at 5. This is just his piss break.

2:12:01PFT Commenter:This is how long it takes for him to piss. You know what's great about this? You're trying to twist this on me, but the reality is this is at 9 o 'clock, so you can put your children to bed. No, we actually had to do – we've been in the office since 5 o 'clock. So we've been doing other stuff. Yeah. Normally we do this late because you have to put your children to bed. That's a fact. That's a fact. But tonight you're wrong. Okay. Well, usually I'm right. All right. Go put your little hat on. He has a little candle that he walks back to his – he goes – you know, when he snores, the hat just goes up in the air.

2:12:31PFT Commenter:It's really cute. Yeah. I'll be awake a couple times tonight already, but not for peeing just because I wake up. All right. Thanks, Pete.

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2:14:19PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. Recurring guest. it is the playmaker hall of famer three-time super bowl champion michael irvin we've got the new netflix uh documentary out about the 90s cowboys america's team uh playmaker it's it's awesome to have you back on let's start with this in the documentary uh like have you watched it back obviously you're in it so much but have you watched it back and had like a moment to be like holy shit that was fun because it is a it's just so much 90s nostalgia and it's so well done yeah and you know you guys you know what's so funny when i watch it the first thing i thought damn the 90s were great man yeah not not just the cowboys i mean the whole everything you know economy was going good everybody living good it was a lot of fun you So that's the thing.

2:15:16And then you start thinking about all of the relationships that you have built over those years. So many, you're calling old teammates and we're rehashing these stories and laughing about them. We got people in our families that didn't know about any of this and certainly didn't live through any of this. So it's been an incredible journey. both talking about the peaks and reliving the valleys also. It really has been an incredible journey.

2:15:46Big Cat:Yeah, it's a fascinating look into what was a wild time for the Dallas Cowboys being without question the most popular team in America, the best NFL team that we saw in that decade, and then also what you guys did off the field. It feels like you guys partied just as hard as you played. Did that ever – I know it kind of came to an end after things fell apart after Barry Switzer joined. But when that transition happened between Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, was that like a substitute teacher situation where you had Barry come in? You're like, now we can really have fun. Well, that's an analogy.

2:16:24But the reality is Jimmy brought us through the hard times, you know, and Jimmy was – you have to be a certain way to get people through those 1-in-15 and three and 13 type of years and everything. So you come through those years and then you no longer have that general. And the next guy come in, Barry, who's a great guy. Barry's a great man, great man, really great man. But a different style than Jimmy. Jimmy kept his foot on everything. Barry said, listen, we're grown men. We should know how to handle our responsibilities. And some men do it, some don't. on the football field and some don't off the football field.

2:17:09So the guidance would have been needed, like from Jimmy. But you look back, you understand that this is life. Things go down, things happen. People change. Jimmy left. Jimmy and Jerry had a breakup, a split up, and we had to figure it out. We would have loved to have kept Jimmy and just keep trying to do what we were doing. and we often talk about we could have won five straight, you know. But it didn't happen that way. You try to make the most of it. I thought what was interesting after that year we lost 94 that we had to put everything down and try to come back together to win that next year in 95, and we did with Barry.

2:17:52Because we wanted – it was Barry Switzer, but it was also Ernie Zampezi. You know, we wanted – the guys that had Super Bowls, I remember right before that third Super Bowl, we were like, who doesn't have a Super Bowl in here? Stand up. And then all the guys in the room, we have Super Bowls, but they don't.

2:18:13PFT Commenter:Yeah. We're playing for the – you're not just playing for you. You're playing for them too. And, you know, the Ernie Zampezi and all those guys, and we wanted to get that third one for them, and we did. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, and that third one, the big story going into that season was obviously signing Deion, the big contract. I was shocked that you guys, you and Emmitt and Troy, had no problem with all that money going to Deion. Was that how you actually felt in the moment? Because it is a competitive environment. Guys want to get paid. Guys, you're the best wide receiver in the league. Emmitt's the best running back in the league.

2:18:49PFT Commenter:And then they pay the best cornerback,$35 million. Was there any part of you that was like, hey, this is kind of bullshit. I've been here. I've won. Where's my money? Or was it like, no, I just want to keep winning? Well, first of all, there were so many things on the back door with that situation. It was Deion. Emin and I was already there, and we were Miami and Florida. We needed our Florida State. And Deion came in and completed that triplet. They completed a triplet from Florida in Dallas. You see so so in the best part honestly Jerry sat down with every one of us and he called me he brought me in the office and said listen We're born and we're thinking about doing this.

2:19:34What are your thoughts? Somebody you need my dog. You don't even thought go get that done go here I said now that I know you're already I'm glad you told me I'll be calling him tonight And yeah, I started doing the recruiting, you know, I told you know So Deion asked me, he said, man, I said to him when I called him, I said, dude, we've been banging heads for a long time. It's time now to bang other people's heads. Come on over here, beat their butts together, you know. And I told him, I said, man, whatever you see in San Francisco, because he asked, he said, what is Dallas like? I said, whatever you think leaving Atlanta, going to San Francisco is, whatever you think that is and San Francisco is, multiply by 10 and come across the water and you will see.

2:20:25He came in town that week to see me. We threw this big party, man. And, yeah, we pretty much – we put on a full press court on that recruit. Yeah. And right now, my best friend in the world, I love him to death. So, you know, we had no problem with him coming in and getting paid. It ain't our money.

2:20:47PFT Commenter:Yeah. Let's all try to get as much money as we can. And I would imagine that's a testament to Jerry Jones because he gets criticized sometimes for being so hands-on. But in that situation, him being hands-on and including you guys and being like, hey, this is something I'm doing beforehand probably helped the situation. Was there ever a moment for you? He didn't say this is something I'm doing before. He says, is this okay to do? Right. So it makes you feel part of the process. Right. Right. Right. Right. Now, if he had gone and done all of that, this could have been a different thing. Yeah. But he came to us.

2:21:21He said, listen, guys, this is your team. You guys know what you're doing here. How would this affect us? Yeah. What? Are you crazy? Yeah, let's go do that right now. Yeah. And if you remember now, Deon, remember Deon got into it later on with Deon, got into it with Andre Rison. I had heard about some things with him and Jerry Rison. So the first thing I was telling him was like, when I got, I said, listen, man, all the mother jokers over the mother I received was Rison and Rison. Them jokers ain't from Florida. Come on over here. Let's not mess through. You know you ain't going to have no issue because we Florida boys.

2:21:59You know what I mean? So, yeah, we just became best friends.

2:22:03Big Cat:Right when he got out of town, I don't know how much you guys ever squared up with each other at practice, having the ones go against the ones. Was that something that you got to experience during training camp? Oh, yeah, all the time. Tom and I worked together all the time. That's how we wanted to sharpen our game. He would tell me all the little tips that he had on me over the years and what cornerback would be. I didn't think about it. I'm going to use Deion Sanders before he got there. Daryl Green, Nias Williams, Champ Bailey, Eric Allen. All of these are Hall of Famers. Everybody's Hall of Famers.

2:22:38So now I got Deion with me, giving me talks and helping me about great cornerback play, and I'm trying to help him with great rival cedar play. And, yeah, we messed around in practice a lot. Like when Troy went black 62, Deion played me enough to know that's the slant route. And so now I got to say, Troy, Dion's over there. When you go black 62 and he's going to read that slant, I'm going to run a slant and go. You know what I mean? So I know he knows, so I'm going to set up his knowledge. So that's how you get great. And, yeah, we love those things, man. I love those times that he and I first competed and then collaborated.

2:23:23PFT Commenter:Yeah. the one thing that was kind of remarkable to me about this documentary is the White House which seemed like a lot of fun for you guys how did you get it so that no one will talk about the White House to this day you had everyone still being like no I'm not going to talk about it not going to talk about it that's remarkable you got you got a bunch of guys who were who went there who partied there and then they get asked on a documentary 30 years later and they're like, nope, not going to talk about it. Yeah, that's like that mafia stuff. Yeah. The Casanostra. If you talk about it, you're not invited.

2:24:03We got to get you. But honestly, and I was okay with talking about it, and I think those guys are trying to honor and look out for me. But the reality is, it's time to talk about things. you know you get older and and i'm i'm a christian i'm saved man so i know god saved me to go get those same people that are locked up and trapped up in those situations so that one thing that was a stain before now that you've come through it and moving on in life it becomes the badge that gives you it's a badge that you can use to go in dark corners to help people that are still in

2:24:44PFT Commenter:those dark corners it's just the reality of life yeah so how like on a given week when the white house was in its heyday how many days a week were you there well we are we were during the season during the season we're working out now after a game we may go by because we're doing the celebration a party a celebration have a good time but the funny thing about me and i talk about this and documentary. I'm playing a season after we won the Super Bowl in February, Jimmy will say, get away for a minute. For about that month, I would have a blast. But after that month, March 5th, my birthday, I start training.

2:25:29I used to think that I was the strongest dude in the world because I'm like, why are people having drug problems? Why can't they just stop? I can have fun and just stop. You know what I mean? But I learned that I was switching addictions. Like I had fun for a month, then I got football to switch that addiction back to football. Then offseason, I got that month away. I switched. You know, once I lost football, once I retired, and I was like, okay, this will be the last week hanging out. Then I'm going to get back to working out. And then that week coming back, I said, okay, this is the last week hanging out.

2:26:05I'm going to get back to working out. Then that week of night, I said, it's the last damn week, I promise. You know what I mean? So that's when I realized maybe your ass ain't as strong as your fake. You know what I'm saying? It was football pulling me out, not my strength walking me out. And when I didn't have football, I couldn't make that walk out without God.

2:26:26Big Cat:I mean, the off seasons do sound like a lot of fun. You were the president of the White House. Was there somebody that never got the invite that always wanted to go? No, no, no, no, no. I'll tell you this, Troy never came to the White House. Troy had never been to the White House. But that's the only person I will exclude that's going to give him that. You know what I'm saying? I will exclude. You got to understand, too, guys, this was a process. We didn't end up with the House. We started at a hotel doing what you do. And then you kind of get an apartment. And then the girls all kind of come in that apartment.

2:27:03They were making too much noise. and people around there were saying, what's going on? So we thought that was a bad move. And then, actually, Alvin Harper came up with it. I said, yeah, we should get a house. I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding. You know, you spend four. Think about it. You spend$400 or$500 on a hotel room a night. Three or four of us do that. That's a couple thousand dollars. That's rent on a house somewhere. I was like, wait a minute. And we can have it a whole month instead of just that one night. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, when Hart brought that to me, I thought it was a brilliant plan, actually.

2:27:44So we put it in action. When Jerry, you see that. Leon Lett called me about three weeks prior to Jerry calling me in the office. Leon said, hey, Michael. Cat. He said, hey, man. And it was so funny, guys. The movie was out. New Jack City movie. where G Money called Wesley Snipes and said, hey man, you gotta shut down the car. We've been infiltrated. Leon Litt calls me. What's up, man? I said, what's up, dog? I heard the White House has been infiltrated. You gotta shut her down. You're watching too many movies. They shut down shit. You know what I'm saying? Right. Hey, two, three weeks later, I'm in meetings.

2:28:35We're in install, that Wednesday meeting where you're putting in the plays. And somebody comes and said, Jerry wants to see you. I said, I don't know, tell Jerry, wait, wait, wait, wait. We got to wait. We're putting in the plays. I got to make sure my plays are getting put in for this game Sunday. You know, and he said, no, Jerry says right now. You got to come right now. So I get up, I go see him. And he asked me, what the hell is going on? stories are breaking all over right now about some White House. He said, Michael, I need you to tell me the truth. What the hell is going on? First thing went in my mind was Leon Lett's call.

2:29:13Damn, I should have shut her down. But I did shut her down. And then I didn't know what to say to him. That's what I just said. Boss, we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way. Yeah. And he looked at me and he said, are you shitting me? Did you just say that to me? I said, yeah. We were trying to do the wrong thing, the right way. And yeah, that's what that was. He was mad he didn't get the invite. Yeah. Did you think about that? Like, hey, Jerry, if you want to invite, just ask me. Yeah, Jerry said that jokingly. Now, let me tell you, he's such a – Jerry's my guy. He's a funny dude. One time after all of that, I did get out, right?

2:29:55I had a 24-hour service, bodyguards, everything provided for me just to try to make sure nothing is tried and I'm always okay. Jerry made sure. And I remember meeting some people and saying, oh, man, we can't go to the hotel. I certainly can't go back to the White House. That's all gone. I told him, let's go over to the complex. And when we went to the complex, right? I told my body, I want to go get something. I took the girls inside the complex. We got in the whirlpool and the security, because you had a security key. The security was like, Mike, who are you kidding me? Let's get out of here.

2:30:36Shut up. I told them to go. They called Jerry the next morning and said, Michael was here last night with some people. And I took. Jerry called me back up and said, he tells my body. He said, I told him, what the hell are they calling me for this morning? You should have called me last night. I could have came and gotten that hot tub with me. That's just how he jokes about some situations, man. But Jerry's been a great supporter and a great friend.

2:31:12PFT Commenter:Yeah. So I told you before we started, the documentary has been incredible. I have only made it through six episodes, so I don't know if it stays incredible for you because it gets into, you know, Yeah, episode seven, it gets into all of us Yeah, the barbershop, everything But you said at the end of episode six You're like, this is when I knew the dynasty was over That's obviously with retrospect After you win the third Super Bowl Was there a feeling like things have changed now And it's probably not going to be able to get back to where we're at Or was it like, hey, no, we still got this We can just show up and we'll be able to figure this out And we'll be able to fight through it or could you feel it kind of slipping away in the moment?

2:31:54Well, after that third Super Bowl, I thought we had – I thought we would definitely win another Super Bowl that year. I got hurt. We had Pitt brought in Rocket Ishmael. We had Rocket in in 99. I mean, we started out great. I haven't watched the game yet. We won that game overtime. We started out great. I think we were 3-0 going into Philly. I thought we had a great chance to get back that year. And I really wanted to get back. But then I got hurt. And, you know, that's when I hurt my neck. And then things just changed. So, yeah. And ever since that 96 Super Bowl and then the incident, my situation at the hotel right after that, my only drive was trying to get back a great glory to the city of Dallas.

2:32:46because I had interrupted our celebration of that third Super Bowl with that hotel situation. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we had a shot at doing it again in 99, and when I went down, it just didn't happen.

2:33:01Big Cat:So on a personal level, one of the scariest parts of the story is that you found out that someone paid a hitman to kill you. Like, you had a bounty on your head, and I guess luckily enough they tried to solicit the murder from like an undercover FBI agent. So they were able to arrest the guy. But even knowing that the guy that wanted you dead is in jail, did that change the way that you had to operate, the way that you had to go about your day-to-day? No, you know what? I almost, well, I was on probation. I got four years probation from the situation at the hotel, right? When I was in court, Johnny Hernandez was, I guess, the husband of Rochelle Smith, one of the girls that were with me at the hotel.

2:33:46he said he did not want this thing to go to court. So the only way to stop it, since I wasn't wanting to plead, was to take me out. And he put a hit out on me. I was in court when they came in the courtroom to they said, we stopped proceedings. Mr. Everyone, we need you in the back. And right away. And they pulled me in the back and they talked to me and they said, listen, we have to inform you that was just arrested Johnny Hernandez for attempted murder and putting a hit out on you and I was like oh wow right and ultimately in the doc they said he had six years he had two years I was on probation for four he was getting out in two years I had I went to see him to visit with Johnny and to apologize for being with his girl, for taking his girl.

2:34:49And when I went, nobody knew I went. I had my people reach out to the jail and they set it up. The ward set it up. He was a Cowboy fan. So he wanted his pictures and he set it up. I went and saw them. They later found out that I, I mean, the court later found out that I went to see Johnny and they wanted to put me in jail. for going to see him. I said to them, let me get this right. I would call a hotel room with a few women and some dogs and I got four years probation. He tried to kill me and he's doing two years. I'm still on probation and he's getting out. And you don't think it's smart for me to go apologize.

2:35:36Yeah. I don't know how you're letting him out. he can go hire somebody else I don't know if he's still mad he just did two years you don't know this and you want me to just sit still I was like are you guys serious you put me in jail I'd rather be in jail than dead but I had to make my peace with him you see what I mean if he had enough to do it that one time two years sitting down may make him want to do it again and I had already gotten saved it was the righteous thing to do and what's so funny well not funny but it was so interesting when I walked in to see Johnny I've never seen a man weep like that in my life I've never seen a man cry out I get emotional even talking about it and thinking about it I've never seen a man he was like oh my god I've been praying so hard and you're going to come and God told me that you were going to come and I can't believe you were here I've never seen a man I started crying I'm like, dude tried to kill me and I'm crying with him Why am I crying with him?

2:36:44But I just felt him I just felt him And I thought it was the right thing to do To go apologize

2:36:51Big Cat:It's a crazy story Good for you for doing that And you feel like you smoothed that all over So when you walked out of that jail that day You were like, okay, I think I'm good I think I'm good I hope I'm good But I saw a change in him too I saw a change in him You know, that sit-down time had really changed him. He had to say, Mike, I hope one day that we can kind of have a relationship and be able to talk about it. And I appreciate it. I appreciated him. I really did. I appreciated the way he handled that after I came to visit him.

2:37:26PFT Commenter:All right. Can we talk about the current Cowboys? Oh, yeah. Because part of watching this is like, holy shit, the Cowboys haven't been back to the NFC Championship game since the last time you won a Super Bowl. People can make fun of Cowboys fans. They can't make fun of you, obviously, because you played and won those three Super Bowls. But what has happened in the last 30 years that has – you talked to Jerry, you talked to people in the organization. Obviously, they want to win, but the glory days are so far past now. What does the future look like for the Cowboys? Right. And what you're asking me is what do I want people to – when you bring in the documentary and you're talking about the current, what do I want this current team to get out of the documentary?

2:38:15Yeah. And the truth of the matter is to understand, yeah, people talk about all the crazy things that went on, but I want them to get out of this, the closeness of the team, what it takes to win championships in this league. You, because in the league, in football, you don't have any individual success. Like you can have in basketball, LeBron can get a rebound and go take it and dunk it on the other end, do that all by himself. You know, that's individual success. Baseball, you can slap home runs all by yourself. It's individual success. Golf, drop a putt, it's all by yourself. Individual success.

2:39:00There's no such thing as individual success in football. What I need you to get out of it is only football families win Super Bowls, not a football team, not a football organization. We were so close. Since you're so dependent and accountable to each other, only football families win Super Bowls. And I hope that's what the current team gets out of that documentary. I spoke to the University of Miami earlier this week, a couple days ago, and everybody's always trying to do comparative analysis. It's the best thing. That's the best thing. You got to understand what you tell him. I say it's not about who's best.

2:39:46It's about a stacking greatness on top of one another. You know, I want these guys, you know, we played, we did. When I had it, I put my stack on top. Before they gave it to me, they had Super Bowls here. My stack has to have a Super Bowl. I want them to put their stack on top. Stack on top of this great dynasty, this great organization, and put your trophy on the table. That's all. The closeness that it takes to win a Super Bowl. you won't win as a football team and organization. You got to have that commitment, that accountability, and become a family. That's all I want them to get.

2:40:26Big Cat:Yeah, that's a fair point. I saw that you were all... They've always had the skill. It's just I need the collective will. Those three years we went 12-5, we had a good enough team to get to a Super Bowl, good enough team to get to an NFC Championship game. They had the skill. It was just not the collective will when we got to the playoffs. Hopefully, that comes together. Yeah, so this is actually something that I think you're probably uniquely positioned to speak about, the dynamic between Pickens and CeeDee Lamb, especially with Pickens being a – it's his contract year right now, right? So he knows he has to play.

2:41:01Big Cat:How do you see that playing out for them? Like if CeeDee catches a couple touchdowns in the first week, you know, puts up big yards at the start of the season, how do you feel like George Pickens is going to respond to that? When I was with C. CDAM and I were at the game, the Knicks game together. Sat together at the Knicks game. We had a good time, had a chance to talk a lot. I love the kid. I love him. He's a great, great competitor, great representation for the 88 and the 88 club. But the conversation we had, guys, was so good because we talked about why this worked. And I said to him, I said, man, I love this combination.

2:41:39He said, yeah, man, I do too. You know, I've been talking with George. And I said, you know why I love it? I said, it reminds me a lot of Harpin' Eye. And he said, why do you say that? I said, because in the old days, 88, just like you, we took everything 20 yards in. 20 yards in. I got all that. I got all that. That's all mine. Anything over 20, that was Harps. We can run that same road today. C.D. Lamb will take care of everything 20 yards in. Every now and then we'll give him a little deep ball. Every now and then they'll let me run deep just to back people up. But George Pinkett's going to be taking it over the top.

2:42:22And, guys, so C.D. catches seven, eight passes, 20 and in. George's going to catch two or three over the top, and they'll have a lot of yards because he's going to be over the top. They don't commingle or they don't get in each other's way because what CD is great at, 20 in the end like me, George is good at. But what George is great at going deep, CD is just good at. So they work out perfectly. And we've all got around George Pickens to make sure he understands that he's part of this family now. So it's not just about him playing receiver. Charles Haley went up to him and said, listen, I know they say you crazy.

2:43:08They said I was crazy. We want him to feel comfortable. Yeah, he got crazy. We got crazy, too. We can win with crazy. We can take your crazy. We know how to work with crazy. Come on over here. You know what I'm saying? But as a family, you want to make them feel like family. And he's been great, man. He's been great. I think he's going to be great here.

2:43:31PFT Commenter:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we like watching George Pickens play receiver. It's a joy to watch. All right, well. Phenomenal talent. Yeah. Phenomenal talent. Phenomenal talent. And people get mad at him. I mean, get out of here. Who the hell has Pittsburgh had to throw this man the damn ball? Right. They had nobody to throw him the ball. So even though we all know and said, man, he's a phenomenal player, he's been doing that with nobody throwing him the ball. So imagine what you must feel like right now with a Dak Prescott at quarterback. Yeah. Michael, I have one last question. It's been awesome. Everyone go watch the America's Team Netflix documentary.

2:44:11PFT Commenter:It's really, really well done. It's like I just – you know what it was for me? Hearing Pat Summerall's voice, I was like, damn, I missed that. It was just something about his voice, just big games in the 90s. It was awesome. So fun. Yeah, so good. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE. You were notorious for being able to stay up all night and then be the first in the building and practice harder than anyone. Do you remember a moment where it's like you didn't sleep before a game or you partied before a game or a practice?

2:44:48PFT Commenter:You're like, oh, I don't know if I can do this, and you still were able to because it's it's insane to hear these stories and be like, man, he did that, and then he went on the field and did that. It's pretty cool. Yeah, stories always get greater later now. I was different during the season than I was in the offseason. Those wild, wild nights happened in February. Even that night in the hotel was March 5th, my birthday, because, you know, that's just what it is. I had a system that I thought were great for me. You know, during the season, I would just train and work out, and we went out after the games and had drinks.

2:45:23But they never did anything during the season because, you know, you had a game. I've never done anything before games. You have games. But from February to my birthday, it happened to be March 5th. And we started training the second week in March every year. So I kind of felt like after the Super Bowl to my birthday, that's wild time. That's fair. The wildest time in the world. And my birthday was on March 5th, and that's the night I got to go to the hotel. The next week, you start training. And, dude, I'm going to tell you something. I was always able to stop. I could be doing every kind of craziness, having fun.

2:46:02I would just stop. I used to get down on people, but, like, you guys are weak-minded, man. You can stop doing this stuff. Stop saying you can't stop. Until I retired, because when I retired, and then I retired, I didn't have football, I would say, man, I'm going to go out. I remember telling my lady, you know, that's it. I'm done. And it was Valentine's Day. And I told her, I said, I'm going to go get something to eat. I'm going to go to the street and get something to eat. I'll be back in a couple hours. She looked at me like, I said, I'm coming right back. I promise. I promise. I'll be right back.

2:46:40I got home two days later. Been out messing around, running around. and I ran into some girl, I'll never forget, like some burgundy leather pants. I don't even know why I still remember.

2:46:58I don't know why I still even remember that. Right? And she came with me. I said, no, I'm cool. I'm going home. I'm going home. I gotta get home. She said, oh, really? Well, I really wanted to hang out with me and my friend. I said, who's your friend? I said, maybe we got a few hours, come on. But a few hours took me a few days to get back home. I remember coming home and my lady said, you lied to me. I said, yeah, baby, I lied to me. I really thought I was coming back home. That's when I said, okay, this is getting to be an issue. You know, so but but during when I'm playing, what I was doing really was switching addictions.

2:47:47Yeah, you know, right, right, right. So I switch addiction and get back and say, OK, now we got football and then demeaning everybody thinking they're weak because they can't stop. And I can stop those kinds of things. When I didn't have football, I didn't have that switch. That's when that's when I realized this could be a problem.

2:48:04Big Cat:I do think your lawyer should have advised you to just plead birthday on that. Like, just see if the judge will let you off. Be like, it was my birthday, Your Honor. I tried. I tried. I tried to tell him that. I tried to say, listen, I tried to see everything. Jerry set up a personal meeting. They talked about in a documentary with the district attorney. I said, when I met with that dude, I told him, I said, I'm telling you the truth. But that's when he didn't want to hear it. He called me all kinds of names and then told me, he said, I'll show you tomorrow when you show up in court. The truth is what I make it.

2:48:37I'm going to make a, I said, I'm going to fillet you like a fish and leave you in the alley. I'm going to show you tomorrow. I said, oh, really? That's when I went off. And that whole Florida stuff came out of me. I said, okay, bro, I'll show you tomorrow too. That's why I showed up in the mink coat, even though it was 90 degrees in Dallas. You know what I'm saying? Because I knew the media was going to be there. And I wanted them talking about that instead of what he wanted to talk about.

2:49:02Big Cat:All right. Yeah. I mean, just saying, your honor, it was my birthday. If I was a judge, I'd be like, case dismissed. Yeah, right. Boys will be boys. And nowadays, you know, but back then, things are more palatable now. You know, that's just the best way to say it. Things are more people that receive it now, digest it now. And so now I don't mind sharing the stories because, you know, we're past that and I want to try to help people. So now people hearing it, if it has a problem, when I come talk to them, they'll say, oh, yeah, yeah, you were that guy. I'll say, yes. That's how I am. And I can talk to you now.

2:49:38Right.

2:49:39PFT Commenter:All right. Well, Michael, thanks so much. Appreciate you joining us as always. Incredible documentary. I would imagine you just close your eyes every now and then and be like, man, that was cool. And yeah, hopefully we see you again sometime soon. Anytime, guys. Appreciate you guys.

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2:50:46PFT Commenter:Okay, let's wrap up the show. We have Pardon Your Takes for the 2025 NFL season. Next time you hear our voices, we'll have NFL football that we're talking about, and the countdown clock will be at zero. Wow.

2:51:01Big Cat:I can't wait.

2:51:02PFT Commenter:Wow. Wow. Two days. Max, are you nervous for Thursday night?

2:51:08Big Cat:Yes. But it's just news. I don't know. You're nervous before every year. You're going to kill him, right? I don't know. I hope. Okay. I mean, it's going to be a bad weekend if you guys lose. I'm a little nervous. Yeah. It's going to be a great weekend, though, if you guys win on Thursday night. It's like free play. Yeah, PFT and I were talking about this before. Oh, yeah.

2:51:26PFT Commenter:I hate that the Bears are playing Monday Night Football.

2:51:28Big Cat:Oh, that's the worst. It's the worst. That's the worst.

2:51:30PFT Commenter:It's like having the last tip-off on Friday night of the first round. the worst. Okay, Hank.

2:51:38Big Cat:Fixed to the NFL overtime rule. If the team that starts with the ball scores a touchdown, the game is over. If they kick a field goal, the other team gets the ball, but if the defense forces a turnover or a punt, they win the game. If both teams kick a field goal, then it's just first team to get a stop wins. No time limit. Half the teams would elect to start on defense. It would be four down territory the whole time. Who says no? I think everybody would elect to start on defense. Yeah. Right? Just like stop them from getting any points. A punt ends the game? A punt? Well, so nobody would punt.

2:52:08Big Cat:A fake punt would be electric. Would turnover on downs ends the game? Yeah.

2:52:13PFT Commenter:I don't like this rule.

2:52:14Big Cat:Yeah, I don't like it either. Everyone would just be defense.

2:52:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. No, that defense, that, that, that, it was a good shot.

2:52:21Big Cat:But at some point, a Bucs game would go to overtime and Todd Bowles would send out his punter and then fake the punt.

2:52:28PFT Commenter:Yeah. Here's the NFL overtime rule idea. each team gets the ball you just no downs no distance whoever takes the least amount of plays to score a touchdown I would kind of like that yeah wouldn't that be fun

2:52:46Big Cat:if you go first you just keep going yeah you just keep going fucking four birds how about this there's no downs each team gets the ball but it's least amount of time to score a touchdown just on the clock Yeah, I like that as well.

2:53:04PFT Commenter:That would be fun. Yeah. Just to watch both teams just bomb it. Wouldn't really look like football. Maybe you could do downs. Maybe it's least amount of time to score. Okay, how about this hybrid? Least amount of time to score. There are downs in distance. If you ever get to a fourth down, it adds a minute to your time. Okay. So it's still real football, and you're trying to go fast. And if you get you so you don't lose the ball after a fourth down, you just get a one minute penalty. I think we just invented a new sport. Yeah, that would be so awesome.

2:53:39Big Cat:Okay. If Europe got an equivalent league to the NFL, then would the game between the Europe NFL and the NFL be the new Super Bowl? Or do we keep the Super Bowl? Call it the Ultra Bowl or World Bowl? We would fuck them up. It would just be like the European division has a representative in the playoffs. Right. And we would fuck them up.

2:53:57PFT Commenter:Well, if it's European players, is that what he said? No, it's like just Saudi money. In Europe. Oh. I still feel like we'd fuck them up.

2:54:08Big Cat:Yeah, they get too experienced with that European culture.

2:54:10PFT Commenter:Yeah. Also, like Europeans don't know how to throw. Think about that.

2:54:15Big Cat:It's just a European equivalent league. It doesn't mean the players have to be from Europe. I always thought it would be like a good... I feel like the good players wouldn't want, like free agency? Who are they going to sign? We just went over. There's no taxes or no anything. That's a good point. That's a good point.

2:54:28PFT Commenter:I've always thought it would be like an awesome maybe reality show. Maybe not reality show, but just like a short video of just like throwing baseballs to or footballs to European people and just having them try to throw it back. Like super athletic European people. Yeah. Toss it back. Hey, toss it back. Can't do it. Just watch them just fail. Because they don't. I mean, they don't.

2:54:49Big Cat:Why would they learn to throw cricket? They just learn to kick. I think that there would be a lot of players that might be interested in playing in Amsterdam. That'd be cool. That one might. That might attract some free agents.

2:54:58PFT Commenter:This is also, was this a planted question for you, Hank? Because you just want our sport to be taken from us? I want to grow the game. You send me the question. I just read them. Okay. All right. Next.

2:55:09Big Cat:I care about football. I care about football. What's up, fellas? Just curious to know how much you would pay to see your team win a Super Bowl. My girlfriend said I'm crazy for paying up to$10 ,000 to see a championship. Thank you. Probably like$30. $30? Well, hey, that would be an investment for you.

2:55:29PFT Commenter:This is your bet. This is a real thing for college football because you can pay for a championship. In theory. This is Super Bowl. I know, but I'm saying like the. I was thinking about the other day because Larry Ellison obviously paid for Bryce Underwood, right? If you had what is Larry Ellison's? I'm going to guess 40 billion. Okay. 280 billion 270 billion if i had 270 billion dollars i would every year the wisconsin badgers would have a 200 million dollar roster like would you not do that for jmu you know what i would do

2:56:09Big Cat:is i would i would also just pay random schools to steal all the good players from my rivals yeah so like at some point my roster is stacked i don't have any chance to get anybody better I just pay every other school in the country that's not in my conference to steal good players away from the teams that are.

2:56:28PFT Commenter:Yeah, I would do like 150 to the Badgers roster and 50 to the MAC schools to raid all the other Big Ten schools. Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, because this is a real thing for college football. Like if you have endless money and you have a team, you can say, I want to just pay for all of it. Mm-hmm. So$200 million. For a Super Bowl? For a Super Bowl? Yeah, if I had Larry Ellison's money. I guess this doesn't work anymore.

2:56:57Big Cat:If I had Larry Ellison's money, yeah, I'd fuck it. Let's say$5 billion. Yeah. Yeah, it's an easy question if you have Larry Ellison's money. Mm-hmm.

2:57:04PFT Commenter:I don't know.

2:57:06Big Cat:All right. With Sunday, NFL Sunday's coming up where you watch football for 10 hours straight. Is there anything you boys have done differently throughout the years to get through the day and to also be able to record the pod at your best while on fumes? I've uh I've stopped going out on Saturday nights yep most most for the most part I never go out

2:57:24PFT Commenter:on Saturday nights I would say for the podcast in general we have uh done a good job of starting recording around halftime of the Sunday night football game which I know it kind of sucks because we don't talk about the Sunday football game as much but I don't have it in me to start We used to start Eastern time at midnight, and we were already kind of loopy. So that one's, I think, a change for the better for the show.

2:57:50Big Cat:The problem is all the games happen at the same time. And so you have to sit down after the afternoon games are over and really look through and remind yourself of everything that happened. Right. Because you forget, with all the football that's going on, you forget all the details about every game. In an ideal world, it would be great to do the show after Sunday Night Football, but given what the guys behind the glass have to do, it's really not – and also our own brains. Right. It's not realistic to do that.

2:58:17PFT Commenter:Like if there was a time zone we could live in?

2:58:19Big Cat:What if we were just in a plane that had like nine TV screens and we were just flying west for the entire game? What? Like all day on Sunday going slow across the country. What time does football start in Hawaii?

2:58:34PFT Commenter:I want to say like We're five hours I can't do this again 7am That's too early That would be way too early But that would also mean that we would be done with the podcast so early Max I think No Max we would The games would kick off at 7 The second slate would kick off at 1015 Right But you know what we would run into And the night game would kick off at 3 p.m.

2:59:05Big Cat:But we would get so lazy, and then we would be like, oh, we got so much time to record the podcast. And then we would still record the podcast at like 10 p.m. our time. We'd be like, you want to get some dinner first? And then it wouldn't get out until like noon Eastern time.

2:59:19PFT Commenter:No, 2 p.m. is Sunday Night Football in Hawaii. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

2:59:26Big Cat:That's too much, Hank.

2:59:27PFT Commenter:But there is something. I went to Hawaii, and it was during college basketball season, and it was very fun to put in bets before you went to sleep and then wake up, and it was like halftime. You're like, oh, this is going well. Oh, this is not. You already have a result.

2:59:44Big Cat:I went to a sports bar in Hawaii during dinner time, and they were playing roof ball. What? Like the TVs were playing roof ball. I thought you were playing roof ball. That would have been sick. That's a dangerous game, though. So if you already wake up and you've got like a bad start to your day. Oh, yeah. It happens all the time. You check your phone and immediately you're like, well, this is going to be a tough one to get through.

3:00:07PFT Commenter:Also, that happens every Sunday morning in the real world because I'll bet all of the late night college football games and wake up and be like, shit. That didn't go well. Hank, last one. That was it. That was it. Wiper, what's going on with the mustache?

3:00:27Big Cat:What's going on with your mustache?

3:00:28PFT Commenter:The new look. I don't know.

3:00:32Big Cat:Just trying something.

3:00:33PFT Commenter:Okay. Okay. Okay. Just trying something. All right. Oh. Oh. Someone's ready. What did you pick on Tuesday's show? I got it. Okay. Numbers three. That might have been PFC. Your mic was off. I think it was Big Cat.

3:00:54Big Cat:22. 28. Come on, man. He asked. I was just answering his question. Wait, did PFT get it or did I get it? I think Big Cat got it. Okay. Doesn't matter. As long as he doesn't get it. You want it, PFT? No, I don't want it. All right. Whose side are you on? The number sucks. It's way better for it. It's way better. I'll go 87. 43. What's your number? I'll take 65.

3:01:23PFT Commenter:Hank, what was your number? 22. 99 pug 19

3:01:30Big Cat:76

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3:01:38PFT Commenter:did you get that Zach you got it no Zach yeah

3:01:47PFT Commenter:let's go Zach Zach Zach Zach fuck yes let's go Zach that's awesome Post-game press conference. Wow. Big Catherine, pardon my take here. Zach, how did you do it?

3:02:01Big Cat:I guess it was always 43. Okay. Zach, what was your strategy in picking a ball that won? I was thinking in the 40s, and I was thinking low 40s. We went 43. How long have you been picking balls, Zach? I believe this is probably month three. Oh, wow. Or month four, so 43. And you did it that quickly? You know what? You were 0 for 43 until you picked 43. Is that true? Oh, my God. Wow. Zach. Amazing.

3:02:28PFT Commenter:Zach, for other people who have not gotten it, do you have any words of advice?

3:02:34Big Cat:Just got to keep picking.

3:02:36PFT Commenter:Yeah. That's good advice. What about, like, maybe picking the right number?

3:02:41Big Cat:No such thing as right or wrong number.

3:02:43PFT Commenter:Well, no, no, no. You literally picked 43 and 43 came up. That was the correct number. Every ball has their day. Yeah. Well, except for memes. Memes, what do you think about Zach? Because that was in your mind. Like, hey, Zach's going to maybe get it, and I still haven't gotten it.

3:03:00Big Cat:No, I said from the beginning, I hope Zach gets it. Oh, really?

3:03:03PFT Commenter:Yeah. Okay. That's pretty incredible. So, what can you glean from what Zach just did in front of us? This is historic.

3:03:15Big Cat:Guy knows balls. Zach, I'm very proud of you. You know what's crazy is that Zach was 0 for 43. memes is now the only person that hasn't got it he's 0 for 294 whoa oh jack also hasn't gotten it

3:03:31PFT Commenter:but memes is picked 190 more times yeah a lot more damn jack you'll get it before 294 guesses right gotta get some longer shorts first oh

3:03:50PFT Commenter:What's up? You're going to get it before 294 guesses, right?

3:03:54Big Cat:I hope so.

3:03:55PFT Commenter:Yeah. Yeah. Jack, question.

3:03:58Big Cat:Comments on your shorts being very short from memes. I think they're fine. They're stylish.

3:04:04PFT Commenter:Oh, also, Zach, was that the first time 43 has ever been correctly picked? Or what am I looking at right here? I think that's Jack's pick history. Oh, that's Jack's pick history.

3:04:15Big Cat:Jack, what do you think about Zach getting the lottery ball right? Thank you. I think it's... Talking to the mic. It's fine. Okay. Memes, how angry are you? No, I'm chilling. No. Come on, Memes. I'm just never going to get it.

3:04:31PFT Commenter:Memes, come on.

3:04:32Big Cat:What? I'm good.

3:04:33PFT Commenter:You're mad. You're mad at Zach.

3:04:34Big Cat:No. I was rooting for Zach. Okay. No, you weren't. Well, you still haven't gotten it. All right, Memes, go around the room. Who are you rooting for to get the lottery ball? Zach. Anyone else? No. No one else? No.

3:04:46PFT Commenter:Oh, so this is a win for you.

3:04:47Big Cat:Yeah, no.

3:04:48PFT Commenter:Huge.

3:04:49Big Cat:Yeah, congrats, Memes. Did you pick it?

3:04:52PFT Commenter:Did you pick this? No, I didn't pick this one. You just picked Zach, who then picked it. Yeah. Okay. All right, Zach. Incredible job. Thank you, dude. And you know what? I think this might be the floodgates opening. You might be getting it all the time now.

3:05:07Big Cat:No, every ball has their day. Not every ball.

3:05:09PFT Commenter:Not every ball. Three has never been a day. Yeah, three never. Literally never. Ever. One time. Yeah, but it'll probably be a day that I steal it. No, it came up one time Oh, it did? And then the ball went missing

3:05:22Big Cat:So you don't think it's in here? I just saw it in there yesterday No, no, no, no This was June of 2023 Yes, the old machine Three And then the ball went missing And then I picked it for like a couple months And it was just not in there

3:05:34PFT Commenter:Damn Damn Damn

3:05:35Big Cat:It sucks, dude

3:05:36PFT Commenter:Alright, great show, boys But I did pick two correctly that one time

3:05:40Big Cat:Congrats, Zach Love you guys

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