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25:32Who did they lose to? Georgia Tech just, they lost to... NC State. NC State, that's right. They lost to NC State. There's a lot of cannibalization, like I said, that's going to go on in the ACC. And then one and two, Ohio State, Indiana. I know some Indiana fans were hoping that they would get number one, but it doesn't really. In fact, I could make the argument that it might be better for Indiana to be number two than number one. Yeah. Because they've got more of a chip now when they do play against Ohio State. Yeah. And maybe it's more the other way around where if Ohio State was ranked number two, then they would really have something to prove and beat the piss out of Indiana if they played.

26:10Yeah. All right, so here was my big Texas-Oklahoma. And again, this is all – really, they're just putting this out here. And we should also remind everyone, The nice thing about the 12-team playoff is we're not sitting here arguing who is better between, like if we went all the way back to the BCS, how Texas A &M is getting screwed. That's not an argument right now. You know what I mean? It's not an argument about undefeated teams. It's about the teams on the fringe. But I do think that the Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas rankings makes no sense. And I'm more questioning what these old guys are doing in this conference room because Notre Dame, and again, I think Notre Dame is very good, and I was saying after week two they're going to go to the playoff.

26:54Notre Dame's best win is against USC, and their losses are Texas A &M and Miami. Two good losses, right? Texas' best win is Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, both ranked 12-16, and their losses are against Ohio State, the number one team in Florida. Yeah, that's a bad loss. And then Oklahoma has also two ranked wins, Michigan and Tennessee. Their loss is against Ole Miss and Texas, both ranked teams. So it just doesn't make sense to me why Notre Dame is ahead of those two teams. But again, it doesn't really matter because it will all figure itself out. If Texas runs the table, they will be very deserving to go in.

27:29They have to go play Georgia at Georgia. Like Oklahoma has the hardest schedule in the world. The interesting thing will be if Oklahoma finishes 9-3, could they somehow get in because of their schedule is so hard and they had to run a gauntlet. But it will all figure itself out. It's fun to have rankings. It's fun to see what it could possibly be, the bracket out. It's just fun. I love seeing Iowa in there, too. I was pissed off when Iowa was not in the top 25. AP sucks. AP sucks. It stinks. It doesn't make any sense sometimes. Some of the people don't watch the games. I think some AP voters don't actually even look at the scores of the games.

28:03Yeah. They just get their ballot, and they go off vibes. Yeah. Which, honestly, respect. Respect. Respect. It's a list that's meant for us to get mad at. This actually means something. I think for the most part, this one was tough to screw up too badly. Yeah, I agree. Okay, any other college football? I mean, Miami, we talked about it with Johnny Fanta. We just got to put a reminder that when the clock turns to November. Because we were high on Miami. Yep, I was. I was very high. And they just do this. Yeah. It just happens. I was off that Miami pack. Yep, and it just happens. Yep. Any other thoughts about college football rankings, Hank?

28:41the last thing I had was Red Panda's back officially she came back tonight at the United Center I forgot about Red Panda yeah because she got injured yeah and then she also halftime Bulls came back from 24 down Josh Giddey back to back triple doubles I was very wrong about Josh Giddey he's been awesome this year they beat the who'd they beat who'd they beat Matt so this is just going to be the one NBA game we talk about this year We talked about two if the Wizards had beaten the Sixers. We talked about it on Hot Seed Cool Throne on fucking Tuesday. I was locked and loaded. I bought league pass in the fourth quarter of the Wizards-Sixers game just in case we won so I could bring it up on part of my face.

29:23PFT died so I could live. It was just basically whoever could beat the Sixers. Celtics beat the Sixers, actually. Oh, that's right. Oh, in the cup. We didn't talk about that. In the cup, though. But yeah, Red Panda was back, and Josh Giddey was awesome, and Vooch hit the big three. How many points do you have? Watching Embiid play at the end was ugh. He was very good the first three quarters. Yeah, but winning time, buddy. 24-point comeback. You guys didn't score a field goal in the last four and a half minutes. All right, it's fucking November. We're just breaking down ball. We love ball here.

29:54Yeah, we love to. Congrats on the win. Congrats on the win in November. Thank you. Yeah. Congrats. Josh Giddey was awesome. Josh Giddey, awesome. Awesome. Triple-double. Back-to-back. Pretty fucking cool. So fucking cool. Hit 29-15-12. That's so cool. Thank you. I don't think... And Red Panda back. I don't think Max thinks it's cool. Red Panda's been back. No, she hasn't. You want to bet? When was she back? Amazon stream during what game? She's not that tall. The game from a couple weeks ago. Yeah. What game? The game. Richard Sherman was chucking up threes. What game? Los Angeles Chargers. Red Panda was back for a football game?

30:35That doesn't count. They were in studio. Oh, that's not. That's okay. Max. Wrong. In studio. Yeah. No, this is her first time in front of the crowd. But she's bad. Like she was doing it again on TV. Wait, was that? No, that looked like that was at a game. No, that's 2024, idiot. Well, she was doing it in studio. Okay. Well, studio doesn't count. That was a warm up. That's preseason. I'm talking about real life. Everyone, well, half the people sitting in their seats, half the people taking pisses, getting popcorn, Red Panda back. And you can't even watch it on fucking League Pass. What do you mean?

31:14I watched the whole game in the cave. No, but you can't watch Red Panda on League Pass because you can't watch the Bulls on League Pass. Well, they showed some highlights. I saw her. You don't respect Red Panda. You're salty about this loss. That isn't even true. Yeah, it is. I'm respecting her more. I paid attention to her work. No, she was doing it. I paid attention to her work, which makes me... So I respect Red Panda. Hank, hit us with a wind turbine fact. You find anything? Nope. Okay. They might be all right. I don't know. This might be a big turbine, though. I don't trust the internet. So you have been Googling it.

31:52I did a little bit of research. I know the ones in the ocean are bad. Okay. Like one in the ocean off of Cape Cod collapsed and just completely fucked up the entire ecosystem. Damn. the ones on you love the ecosystem yeah especially the aquatic ones um the ones on land i don't have much historical research based on them what about the ones on golf courses many golf courses they seem to be all right for my limited google searching okay also shout out you want to read that tweet for me real quick by the way the return of a legend in a fucking in a fucking studio dude NBA on Prime. That's not a real game.

32:30The return of a legend. That's not a real game. You know that's not a real game. That's like Joel Embiid when he comes back to practice and then doesn't play for months and months and months. The return of a legend. No, that's not real. Turbines kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats annually through collisions. Oh, not bats. Damn. What are we going to do without bats? Not have COVID? No, we would still have it. Yeah, we still would. Absolutely. pangolins 100 true shout out last thing shout out hawaii pacific university for d2 upsetting boise crazy that their college is in a strip mall what's next to it a literal strip mall like are we talking about a nail salon are we talking about that's their college oh that's pretty cool it's a strip i like that looks like it's got like an ice cream store probably a mexican food place Their gym that they played at was a former Franciscan adult day center facility.

33:31Fuck yes. And they beat Boise. Good for them. Yeah, good for them. College hoops are back. This school looks sick. Hank would go to this school. Hank would definitely go to this school. He'd flunk out of this school. No, he wouldn't. No. What? No, yeah, you would. You know, living in Hawaii? I'd become a local. There's no way he would go to class at that school. It'd be ooze. But maybe he would be in such a good headspace that he would just be in a good place to succeed. Real quick What kind of majors they got Probably something about the ocean Saving the ocean with the wind turbines Let's see what their tuition is Okay, this is our host This is a good start Yeah, look, Barnes & Noble $33 ,000 a year, that looks like a bargain To just live there This is an awesome place We need an AWL who can give us boots on the ground What's going on here Because this looks awesome You just basically go on vacation Oh, they do have an ice cream store.

34:28Hawaii Pacific. Imagine being the hoops players coming back from Boise. You hit the Barnes and Noble, and everyone's going crazy. Now we're just seeing a girl's dorm room? What's going on right now? They're stoked on life. Party. This might not even be. Is this the same school? This just says Hawaii dorm room. It's a dorm room. Oh, Hawaii. No, I'm a fucking idiot. Oh, it's just the university. No, that's Hawaii Pacific University. I just read the first It's just a random girl's dorm room What? They got panda inner tubes there? Alright, we're looking at her trash Looks like she recycles, shout out This video could be better made Oh, the waterworks Their sink was just on They got a microwave They got everything There's way too many details in this tour I need to see the room We wanted a tour of the campus No, you said click on Hawaii dorm tour There's a girl.

35:24What is it? It showed her pantry. She's got snacks. No, I wanted to see the... Oh, well, yeah. I guess they did say click on the... I thought it was going to be like showing all the dorms, not just one random chick. Dude, chicks love putting lights up, like flashy lights right above their bed in their freshman dorm. Love it. They love that shit. Look at those lights. Light show. That's where I fell in love. okay that's that's that's everything why are there kids introducing it all right we're big hawaii pacific university fans this might be our school they're d2 though so we're never going to see him again that's the perfect university to care about for one day i love it yeah the yesterday was theirs also steven pearl almost lost in his opening game which would have been very funny to Bethune-Cookman.

36:16Yeah, but then he took a shot at the football program in his post-game press conference, talking about how we're close. We're close to being great. That was good. I appreciated that. Okay. Let's kick it back to ourselves. We're going to talk. Wait, so we also had Duke in Texas tonight, right? Yep. We're going to talk to Johnny Fanta a little bit. Get ready to hear every single night of this NCAA basketball season that Carlos Boozer's son was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium. Get ready to hear that. He's good. He's really good, but that is a fact. You know what? I'm just going to start saying people forget that Cameron Boozer was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium.

36:57It's also a big-time, holy shit, I'm old moment because I remember nine years ago watching Boozer's two fat kids run around in his driveway shooting hoops. And now he's one of the best players in college basketball. You know what's really fucking me up? if you look at the birthdays for kids that are now freshmen in college oh yeah what is it 2005 no no 2007 that's when i graduated yeah 2007 that's it fucked me up bad when i first saw that okay i'm old okay yeah but you got a new haircut got the mullet we should have mentioned that off the top i got the mullet you're as young as your haircut i got the mullet rocking and you're Looking great.

37:42Third time. I'm a third time mullet haver. I had it when I was 12 years old. I had it when I was 17, 18 years old. And now we're back. At 40. I just got sick. Yeah, at 40. I just got sick. Mike Gundy. Worked for him. Dude, I think it looks awesome. I think it looks pretty good. It works for your body, too. Thank you. I got a question for you, Big Cat. Yeah. I decided to do the mullet on Saturday. And then I was at the rugby game. And there were a shitload of cool-looking mullets there. I've wanted a mullet. and I was finally like, okay, I'm going to do this. And then I was about to get it done today, and I brought Pug out to the barber to get the behind-the-scenes footage.

38:20I was like, Pug, I just want you to know I'm not doing this because I'm going through a Britney Spears moment where she's having a mental breakdown because of Jaden Daniels' elbow, and I'm just deciding to cut all my hair off. Maybe that's 5 % of what it is. But for the most part, I decided to do this on Saturday. uh because i have a question what's your mom my mom she does i guess she just found out how mom i got a mullet she's seen me she's seen me with a mullet before yeah yeah she my mom thinks i look handsome probably um i got a question for you big cat regarding mullet yes and um i want you to know that you can answer this openly and honestly okay were you upset that i didn't tell you that i was going to get a haircut not at all okay if you had cut all your hair i would have been i just i just Okay, I just want to check in on that.

39:06No, that's not, you're not changing. If you had come back in here and had a buzz cut, I would have been like, dude, could you give me a heads up? Like I need to, not that I can tell you one way or another, but it would have been mentally fucked me up. I saw the mullet. I was like, this rocks. I think we had it live on the yak. I was like, that's awesome. See, I didn't know, and I thought to myself, like, is this one of those relationships where you're like, you didn't tell me that you were going to shave? Dave. If you cut your hair, I would have been disappointed if you didn't give me a heads up.

39:36Yeah. Just a heads up. Because I like your hair, and it would have been shocking to me. I like it, too. I feel powerful, and I feel like I've spiritually had a mullet for quite some time, and it goes well with the El Camino, which is the mullet of cars, business in the front, party in the back. Perfect timing for the El Camino to be done for the year. Yeah. So I'm storing my El Camino on my head for the wintertime. You just transferred it. So when I got it cut, I actually walked in, and man, all the boys were pumped, fired up, and then I got back to the part of my take producer's corner. Yeah.

40:09And the reaction there was way different. What happened? The reaction there, Memes just stops, and he just looked at me. He was going through jets. He was, which I understood. He also used to have great flow. He just gave up on it. Yeah. Fuck you. So I think it'll be in PMTV, but Memes just stops mid-sentence, and he just stares at me, and I'm like, yeah, Memes? He's like, it looks.

40:35And then he just never finished that sentence. It hung out there for about seven seconds. And then Max got scared. Why did Max get scared? I was just nervous for you because of myself. If I were to do, you can't go back. He can't go back to his hair. What do you mean? You just have to be this guy forever. No, that's not true. The thing about hair is it grows. 100 % not true. Hair grows. What do you mean? It's going to take two years for him to go back to long hair. Is that true? Yes. Probably about two years. Yes. But I can't wait. That's what made me nervous because it was like if I... That is a long time.

41:11I didn't realize. I thought it was like a month. You should get a bob. Because look at the front of his hair. Get a bob. The front of his hair has to match the... And it's either you go for a really weird, awkward phase. Yeah, I know what he's saying. You just have to be a Molokai forever now. I know what he's saying. Or you're going to go short hair. No, no. Listen, I... You haven't... There's no choice. Don't try to bring down... I did not realize that. Don't try to bring me down on Molotov. I'm not, but I'm explaining why I reacted that way. It just made me anxious as a long-haired guy. I know what's going on.

41:41He's jealous. It's okay. Are you jealous? A little bit jealous. I mean, I could do that tomorrow if I wanted to. I do not want to. So you don't have the balls. Correct. That is correct. So you are jealous. I... Yeah. He wishes he had my balls. Yeah. You're jealous of my balls. I'm jealous of your balls. I got good balls. I'm jealous of your balls. I got big meaty clankers is what they always call them. No, big meaty clackers. How did you respond? I was clankers. No, clackers. I love it. Yeah, Hank was fired up. I love it. I like it too. It looks good. It's just a huge commitment. You have to be my guy forever now.

42:16I can't wait. That's fine. I can't wait to shampoo for the first time. It's going to feel so... To be honest, I've been sick of having the long hair everywhere for a very long time. The first time I shower Oh it's gonna feel so good And Zach was gassing Appreciate you Zach Zach guesses Yeah the mold does look good I think you could even Now that you got the sides tight You can kind of dab You could like You could chop your head off And Zach would be like That's actually a really good look Would you like water? Get the town high grade What were you saying about the sides? I think now that you got the sides tight You could like You can flirt with the idea of like designs Maybe throw a lightning bolt I thought about the lightning bolt Maybe number five But that's I'd be jumping in too fast I'd be jumping in too fast He's not dead are you talking about he's in a better place he's in a better place i do think that about jayden jayden jayden is literally in a better place right now that he's no longer playing with that team

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44:51There's a lot of college hoops. We talked about it at the end of Sunday's show. It is absolute bullshit. The people, you're screwing over the people. We stand with the people. Now, PFT and I may be speaking from a place of slight privilege in the fact that we both have cable and YouTube TV, but we're still speaking up. It's fucking bullshit. Yeah, I'm speaking from a place of both privilege and also just being a boomer. Yeah. Where I have a deep fear of getting rid of cable for situations like this. But yeah, I think a lot of people out there, they don't have both cable and all the apps. They get the streaming stuff.

45:25Yeah, for me, it's the Cubs weren't on YouTube TV. So I was like, well, I got to have cable to watch the Cubs. Yeah. And then, but yeah, either way, it's bullshit. Hank, did you watch? No. You weren't able to watch. No. This is absolute, like, fuck you, ESPN. Fuck you. In the face. It's on the principle, too. It was like, I was thinking about it. Yeah. I think if the they needed this game needed to be like the Lions Chiefs. Yeah. And I think a resolution would have happened right now. It also is very funny watching the people who don't like there are Cowboys Cardinals. Who cares? So there was a way that you could watch it, though, if you had the the antenna.

46:01You got to go out and buy an antenna. Apparently, apparently sports and TV is just still floating through the air. You just have to pick it up. Well, yeah, that was that last year with the with the Bulls and Blackhawks. A lot of people were buying antennas to try to get where they were playing the games. But it was also funny watching the – you always forget that there are actually a lot of people out there who only watch the NFL and do not watch college football. One of which our good friend Stephen Shea who did not know this dispute was happening until right before kickoff. That's crazy. And he was like, what the hell?

46:33I can't watch Monday Night Football. But it's bullshit. I'm calling bullshit on Stephen Shea because I know for a fact that man has notifications turned on for Adam Schefter, who has tweeted out, like, ask YouTube TV to put ESPN on the air. So he was traveling over the weekend, and then he did, quote, tweet an Adam Schefter tweet around, like, an hour before kickoff, being like, wait, what do you mean? Well, I saw that yesterday, yeah, but he knew. Stephen knew also for him to take Adam Schefter's side of this dispute was just perfect. I straightened about. I told him, I was like, hey, buddy, listen, you want to keep blaming YouTube TV.

47:08It's ESPN. ESPN owns Hulu. They own Fubo. They're basically trying to force people to do that. We're splitting everything up. It's fucking bullshit. Let us watch. Sports should be free. That's my take. I agree. When I'm elected president, free sports for everybody. Bread and circus. Free sports for everybody. It's very important. That's what they do. It keeps people happy. It's also just the right thing to do. Correct. The link that all the ESPN people are shilling out of, like, here's how there's other ways to watch. The link is just a website to complain to YouTube. There's no solutions. They tweet it in a way where it's like, I was like, oh, maybe I do have one of these things.

47:42Click the link. It's just a link to complain to YouTube. It's bullshit. And the other things are owned by Disney. Yeah. Hulu and Fubo. So either way, there was a game that was played. It did feel like it had less buzz. Yeah. Maybe it was just me watching it, but I never felt like I was excited about football during Monday Night Football. Well, to me, the game was basically over when the Cowboys drove the ball down the field to start the game. And it was like fourth and eight. Fourth and goal from the eight. Didn't kick the field goal. Listen, I'm a big go for it guy. I feel like in that situation, just get the points.

48:19Jacoby Brissett, you don't know if he's going to light you up or not. He ended up lighting him up. But it's five minutes into the game. Your offense, that's so demoralizing. Like time and place. I had no problem with the Cowboys going for it later on in the game when they knew they needed like two scores. But at the beginning of the game, just get some points. Show something. You basically did all your homework and you have nothing to show for it. Yeah, that was a tough start. I also like that Brandon Aubrey missed that field goal at the end of the first half. They let him attempt a 68-yarder at the end of the half.

48:48That would have been a bummer for Cam Little if his record had lasted for a single day. Yes. And then Brandon Aubrey did it on a bigger platform on Monday Night Football. that would have sucked so I was glad to see him miss that but yeah the uh the Cardinals Jacoby Brissett looks good and they were running they were just play-actioning them to death they did so much play-action and play-action works there's a reason why people do it and then uh Gannon says that it's still Kyler Murray's job he's not going to lose his job for hell if you've seen Jacoby Brissett playing with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray playing with the Cardinals I don't think that leash is going to be very long on Kyler.

49:24I think a lot of people have watched Jacoby Brissett and said, this guy should be starting at quarterback. Because the whole team, like Marvin Harrison, by the way, the route that he put on to Ron Blaine last night was so good. It was so good. It had CeeDee Lamb going crazy. It was N1 mixtape shit. It's like if that had taken place in a high school gym, the stands would have emptied onto the court, and everyone would have just said, the game's over. He just broke them down. And it's good to see Marvin. I saw him smile even on the bench. And so it feels like everything is kind of downstream from maybe the quarterback not being a big bummer all the time.

49:57Yep. But I do. I want to put a pin in this. It's similar to our Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold thing. Okay. I think in like three years, Kyler Murray will be a very good quarterback on a different team. Does he get taller? No. Same height. He doesn't grow. I could see him. Like, picture this. Kyler Murray. I mean, there's no downside in saying this, so I'm in. Kyler Murray playing for the Saints. Yeah. there's there's what if we're wrong no one's gonna pull this up and be like hey you guys were wrong so i'm in yeah kyler murray's gonna be great i think we're just living off the high of there's never been a more correct one minute on part of my take history than when pft and i in 2021 said he said he was still believing in baker i said i i'll do you one worse i'm still believing in sam darnold yeah that is the most correct we've ever been in our entire lives you tell me that we're chasing it kyler murray needs to do like a weekend slumber party with koc in minnesota and then he'll be good.

50:51I think we saw enough from Kyler when he was playing. He had some moments early on in his career. I don't think he's a terrible quarterback. I think he's in a bad spot probably mentally. We should actually just do a compilation right now. I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm not done believing in Zach Wilson. I think Spencer Rattler can take a team to the playoffs. Yeah. People love to hate on the guy. Yeah. You know what? I don't think we've heard the last Carson Wentz. Fuck him. I'm out. Hey, put this one on the record. No, I don't want to kick a guy while he's down. Let's just stack them up, and then we'll just – if we just say every backup quarterback in the league, is Josh Rosen still out there?

51:29I think he's like a lawyer now. Yeah, I think so. Paralegal. Chua's going to be good again. He's probably going to win MVP at some point. Geno Smith just needs somebody to believe in him. That was funny. The Raiders fans were being like, we've got to find – what's his name? Ike. What's his name? Ike. Ike. Ike. Someone needs to find him. There was some funny – there also was – I don't know if you saw PFT. It was actually like a sweet moment of people being in on the joke, but it was a Giants fan. I think it was our guy who says that Daniel Jones – remember? I can't remember. Oh, it's Jones to China.

52:06Very funny account. He said, we kept your seat in the NFC basement warm for you. Welcome back, Manders FC. And then it was just a bunch of Commanders fans being like, we had an awesome vacation. We brought back some trinkets for you. like what a year away it was great it was a good good good internetting yeah that's listen i i can't disagree with any of it there's actually i i didn't realize how bad it had gotten for the commanders but they they have now lost three games in a row by at least 21 points and the last team to do that was the 2020 jacksonville jaguars so it's been five years or yeah five years since the team has had back to back to back losses as bad as we've had i'm telling you this the bears commanders something is up with it like they just it completely ruined both seasons the last two years and then this week we've got the the lions and i would not be shocked if it became a four game streak of 21 point losses and the last time that happened was the arizona cardinals in 2002 23 years so yeah uh i think we talked enough of commander's misery on monday yeah but that's that's just a wild stat.

53:14I would think that it would have happened at some point. Like, we've seen some bad teams in the NFL. Yeah. But back-to-back-to-back blowouts are kind of rare. Josh Rosen is getting his MBA at the Wharton School right now. How sick is that to be at an Ivy League business school knowing you're going to get some investment banking job and you're sitting in class and you're like, yeah, I got drafted in the NFL. I made millions of dollars. It was so sick. It'd be good. I had the best time ever at UCLA. It'd be good. Like, he's unassuming, and he's just hanging out. Imagine sitting in a fucking nerd-filled NBA class and doing icebreakers and be like, yeah, I was a top-ten pick in the NFL.

53:58Do you think he got really good grades at UCLA, or do you think it's a thing where if you're a quarterback, you can just go to whatever school you want? I think he was smart. I think he was smart. I think his dad was a doctor or something, so if your dad... That's a doctor. I assume you're smart. Yeah, I think, I mean, the knock on him was that he had a problem with authority coming out. He made$18 million in the NFL. Do you think his, it's like, I'm at like, you're, Oh, we're going to do a mixer. We're going to watch Monday night football. Everyone's invited. And he's just standing there being like, Oh yeah, that's what the coverage they're running.

54:28I know that because I played in the NFL. Do you think his boss at McKinsey is going to put out a graphic being like Josh Rosen is our analyst. Yes. He should do that. That would rock. Has to. there's one question I have for you Big Cat about the Packers as a matter of fact I don't want to make everything about us on this show but it is our show but did we break Matt LaFleur he's temporarily broken I did see the stat that was going around Packer Twitter that 25 % or no sorry was it 75 % of all of Josh 25 % of Jordan Love's pass attempts over the last 6 games have been behind the line of scrimmage, second highest behind only Kyler Murray.

55:10I did read this stat, and the first thing I said was, wow, so he got a penalty on 75 % of his other passes? Because you have to pass from behind the line of scrimmage, but it was actually passes that landed behind the line of scrimmage. That would be fumbles, according to Max's rule change, that he'd like to enact. Yeah, I think it's more that Matt LaFleur is going to figure it out. This was probably the moment, the losing to the Panthers and the way they lost to him is probably the galvanizing moment. and if you're playing the Packers next, you've got to watch out because he's going to fix this and they're going to come out with their hair on fire.

55:41So my question about Matt LaFleur, though, and whether he broke him was specifically pointed at one thing that happened in the game. So they're playing against the Panthers. It's the fourth quarter, 11 minutes left. They're down 13-6. They have the ball at the 13-yard line going in. It's fourth and eight. What does Matt LaFleur do in that situation? Did he go for it? He went for it. Didn't get it. Wait, what were they down? They were down. The exact score was 13 to 6. They were down 7 points. Correct move. They went for it. Actually, no, the stats say that you should kick a field goal without much time left on the clock.

56:22So he should have kicked a field goal. It gives you a 5 % better chance of winning if you kick a field goal. He said that his math guy said that there was a 1 % difference and win probability between going for it and kicking a field goal, and he thought that they had a play that could score. But every other math guy that I've seen out there in their analysis says that, no, the recommendation is strong to kick a field goal in that scenario. We've always said on this show, if you can make a one-score game a one-score game, you've got to do it. You've got to do it. You've got to do it. You've got to do it.

56:53You absolutely have to do it, Matt LaFleur. Yeah, no, I think the Packers are in that crisis, looking to the mirror. Hey, Jordan Love's a really good quarterback. Maybe let him be a quarterback. Yeah. Don't do just deep bombs and screen passes. Yeah, but yeah, man, I love the Packers on Monday night. They're coming off a loss. Coming off a loss. Against the Panthers, that's a bad loss. No days off this week. Practice is going to be hard. You don't want to play the Packers off a loss. I'd say back against the wall. I can't believe we got Packer Day in this week. I mean, I'm not. But if the Packers...

57:27It is full-on Packer. Listen, if the Packers... Hank, I feel like it's a Super Bowl. No, here's what's going to happen. I'm rooting for the Eagles to win this game. No, you're not. Yes, I am. No, you're not. Yes, I am. If the Packers win, I will shove it in your face and say I was right. And it still won't matter. And it's still a hypothetical argument. Well, you say you're wrong if the Eagles win. No, because we're not talking about it. Here's the thing. It's a hypothetical argument. We're not necessarily wrong if the Eagles win, but we're definitely right if the Packers win. That is the opposite.

57:56Matt, I need two things this season. I need the Eagles to lose this game. I need the Eagles to have a tie. I'm going to bet on the Eagles to tie every single week, Max. And I have to find something to replace. What if they tie against the Packers? Thinking about the Washington Commanders. That will get confusing. That will get confusing. Too confusing. I think that would be a win for Max. That's the only way Max can win this, is if the Packers tie the Eagles on Monday Night Football. It is a hypothetical argument if the Packers win. Max, I want you to beat the Packers. And I'm going to be so right about the hypothetical argument.

58:26I'm going to win that hypothetical argument. Max, I don't think you understand division records actually matter, and we're right behind the Packers, so I want you to beat the Packers. I don't think you get that. I do get it. No, you don't. What you don't get is that conference. He doesn't get it. Everybody else in the NFC. What you don't understand because you haven't been fighting for the top of the conference in two decades is that sometimes it matters to be at the top of the NFC. Right. But you want to beat that team head to head. Okay. And you wish that they had won last week. I certainly do not wish that they won.

59:01Well, you're going to regret that. No. Story's not over yet, buddy. There's no chance of you winning this argument. Oh, yeah, there is. There's actually a big chance of us winning. If the Packers kick your ass, we won the argument. You don't get that. We won the argument. Yeah, we will. You will never know. Yeah, we will. I'm going to know. You will never know. We'll 100 % know. You will never know. Oh, man. It doesn't matter. Are you going to the game? I don't know. What's the spread? The Packers are favored. They were favored two and a half points going into last week, and they're favored two and a half points now.

59:37All right, so there's like a 56 % probability that we're right about this argument. It was the same. You guys. Yeah, but listen, oddsmakers. The only one who can definitively win is me. Oddsmakers don't really understand sports. Because you forgot that it's me and PFT arguing with you. So we will find a way to win this argument. Vegas doesn't know as much about football as me and Big Cat do. We will beat you down. We will do circular facts that make no sense, and then we will win. And if the Eagles win this game, we never talked about any of this. No, if the Eagles win this game. I'll be a coward.

1:00:15I will hide from this argument. No, I'll tell you what. If the Eagles win this game, it's because in their meetings this week, their coaches were like, these guys are going to come out with a point to prove because they just lost against the Panthers. You cannot overlook this team. Yeah. Yeah, they're a desperate team. Yeah. Okay, I had one other thing. Oh, the Cowboys, yeah. So they made it. Well, we talked about trade deadline, but it was also weird that Jerry Jones just, like right before Monday Night Football, said, I have a trade done. I've consummated a trade, but I'm not going to say it yet.

1:00:46Yeah. He's just being a wily old bet. Sometimes he just says stuff. He just says stuff. Also, he had Stephen A. Smith up in his box. Yeah. That was interesting. Stephen A. Smith is like trash to the Cowboys nonstop. I think Stephen A. Smith is an industry plant for the Cowboys. I don't think he actually hates the Cowboys. I think, one, he loves Skip Bayless, so he's just flirting with him. And two, I think that Jerry Jones sees value in having somebody in the media that's always talking about the Cowboys, good or bad. And Stephen A. Smith is that guy. It was also funny because Stephen A. Smith just left the suite as soon as, I think it was Jake Ferguson's fumble.

1:01:22He's like, all right, I'm out. See you guys. No, I want that on the record, though. Stephen A. Smith is a fake Cowboys hater. Yeah, I could see that. He's a mouthpiece for Jerry Jones. Yeah, all publicity is good publicity, right? The other thing I had before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throne, I've been thinking about it more because it was, this is how you know a World Series was so good that even two days later I'm still thinking about it. I've thought about it more and more. I think that might be the worst loss of all time for the Blue Jays I was thinking about it. There's obviously some losses you can throw out there.

1:01:57You can throw out the 23 Super Bowl Falcons. You can throw out what? Oh, throw out. I'm saying throw it out there as possible. Oh, yeah. By the way, the TV ratings people are so funny. Baseball fans. Listen, baseball was awesome. World Series is awesome. And I get it. Do people not remember it was the Oklahoma City Thunder versus the Indiana Pacers and Tyrese Halliburton got hurt like 30 seconds into the game? I loved baseball Twitter. I'm so excited. There's just such a lack of context to it. And both sports are awesome. We're a big go sports podcast where every sport gets their shine. But it was very funny.

1:02:37They're like, the biggest city in Canada, what's Toronto? The fourth or fifth biggest city in North America? Los Angeles is the second biggest playing in games. With Japanese superstars. With Japanese superstars. Yeah. versus Indiana Pacers versus Oklahoma City Thunder and the best player on the Pacers getting hurt seconds into the game. Yeah. Grok says this doesn't count Canada viewership either. Oh, okay. Okay. But that's Grok. There's a lot of Canadians living in America. Yeah, but between – yeah. No, you're right. Like, I was going around at the bar on Saturday, and I was like, you know, this is actually probably going to be the highest-rated baseball game ever.

1:03:13Yep. People were very impressed with that. They're like, oh, that makes me want to watch more. Yeah. And between Halliburton and Dick Cheney, it's been a tough year. Really tough. So my thought was there have been worse singular losses, right? But in terms of what the Blue Jays fans went through with all three games, they obviously lost four games, but three of the losses being so tragically horrific in the 18-inning game, the wedgie game, and then being inches away from winning the World Series, it's the slow burn of the loss where if you're a Falcons fan and you're looking at 28-3 or Bartman or the kick six.

1:03:56There's some losses that are out there, but those happen all in one game or maybe like two games. This was 10 days where it just – and you had 3-2 going back home. It's just insane. Now, do you think that because there are like three specific things you can point to and say this is why we – like you can even point to getting – There's more. But I'm saying you can even point to getting doubled up at second base in game six. You can point to the bad lead in game seven. And you can point to that crazy-ass catch in game seven. Two outs away from being World Series champs. And Miguel Rojas, the nine-hitter, hits a home run.

1:04:35Right. There's so many things. But I'm saying because you can point to all those things, does it make it a little less painful in the long run as opposed to just being like, that was the Steve Bartman game when there's one thing that you remember it for. I think it makes it worse because you're like, if one of the 15 things flipped our way, we could have won the World Series. And I think that's super sad. It's one of the worst losses, yes. But I think if you have that one, like if you ask a Phillies fan, like Joe Carter, right? You have the Joe Carter. He was dead. He was dead. But if you have the Joe Carter moment, then you have one thing that you can look back on and be like, that one name will hurt me for forever.

1:05:17Right. And this you've got it's almost like there's too many heartbreaking things that happened for you to like look back in 20 years and feel that one specific point of pain. Yeah, I think the the accumulation of all the moments, because like we mentioned on Sunday, the 2011 World Series where the Rangers were to I think there were two strikes away twice or whatever it was from winning the World Series. that's a very acute pain you're like man we were that close the Blue Jays you can just say like there are 25 at bats and moments and base running and the wedgie that if any of those flip if any of those flip you're probably World Series champions and it's just that's so so painful they gotta have one guy to blame it better team lost when the guy said it I was like I don't believe that but But this is the closest you can come to actually making that argument.

1:06:13They got to have one guy that they can blame it on. And to me, you need a scapegoat. That guy is Jerry O 'Connell. So it's forever going to be the Jerry O 'Connell World Series. That's fair. That's fair. He called me last night. Also, Hoffman giving up that home run to Miguel Rojas is still just so insane. Yeah. And it's the screenshot of the slide into home. Yep. Where he just gets a lead. If you don't get doubled up in game six. The wedgie is a one. I think I actually want to see Dude Perfect go out and try it. I think it would take them weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks to hit the exact shot.

1:06:47Exact spot. To just get it lodged? Yeah. To hit it hard enough. Yeah, you got to hit it hard enough and it's got to lodge perfectly. It didn't bounce. It just lodged. Yeah. It's insane. So, yeah, that was my... I'm sorry for Blue Jays fans, but I'm more like saying that if you're going to lose, at least you now have the worst loss ever. I don't know about that. I disagree. I'm just saying I'm giving you anything. No Blue Jays fans here. Of course. Of course. You know what? Good point. They can walk around and be like, they can basically in 20 years when someone's like, oh man, that loss was bad.

1:07:20Be like, no, it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as this. You got at least something you have in your back pocket. It was a bad. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Do you do that with double doink? Do you bring that up willingly? I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying you can at least just trump card everyone and be like, no, actually, you don't have it as bad. That's not a trump card. You don't want to play it. You don't want it, but you have it. You have it now. I'm just trying to give you anything that you have to walk away with. You have it. You got the Leafs. Jesus. Shout out Oldie. Oldie getting the boys buzzing before the game last night was awesome to see.

1:07:56Just waiting in the tunnel for him. How many times did he say boys are buzzing? And just got to go. Got to go. We got to maybe back the Leafs. His genes were insane. Yeah. Maybe the Leafs could do it. Okay. let's do hot seat cool teron hot seat cool teron is brought to you by our friends at twisted tea twisted tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with real brewed tea and 5 % alcohol twisted tea is the perfect alcohol beverage to keep the good times going all season long whether you're hanging out at a friend's house catching a game at the stadium or at the bar or just seeing where the day takes you twisted tea is there to turn your day up a notch and make a good time a great time keep it twisted grab a tea it's game time Stock up on ice cold twisted tea today I love the original flavor I love the peach The half and half Twisted tea is the best It's crisp outside It's maybe sitting outside at a tailgate Going to a bar watching some ball Keep it twisted with twisted tea I love twisted tea It goes down so smooth It's great cans too Beautiful, beautiful drink Grab a tea It's game time Stock up on ice cold twisted tea today Also we should have mentioned that there are Thousands thousands upon thousands of Buffalo Bills Toronto Blue Jays fans.

1:09:09Yes. And that is so brutal. That is so so brutal. Like that is unconscionable. I feel like Maple Leafs Bills Parlay. Raptors won a title. Yeah. They did. They did. They did. Kawhi did that. Kawhi did that shit. Okay. Who did he beat in the playoffs that year? Warriors. Warriors. No, but in the playoffs before that. Oh, the Sixers. Yeah, that's right. That was a crazy shot. That was crazy. That was crazy. Talk about Game 7. It's so far back because it wasn't even the conference finals. It was pre-Max. Max was dead on this show. Yeah, Max was dead. He was a dead guy. I was live in real life, dead on this show.

1:09:58Max, I got to say. Thank God I was dead on this show for that shot. I got to say, it's been a rough couple sports days for me, but one thing that's always going to put a smile on my face is just poking Max. Thank you, Max. That's not cool. My hot seat is John Morant. Yeah. Lost his joy. Yeah. He's beefing with his coaches. This was like a week or so ago, but he was getting pushed in a press conference after the game, and he was like, just ask the coaches, ask the coaches, ask the coaches. And then last night he just said he's lost his joy. Yeah. Well, they won't let him do guns anymore. Yeah, they're 3-5 on the season.

1:10:35Lowest points per game since 2020. It's bad. It feels like he needs to trade very badly. Just get him out of there. Get him a new place. You know what? I'm not done believing in John Morant, big cat. No, I'm not either. I'm not either. No, it does feel like a change of scenery is something that has to happen. Yeah. By the way, speaking of change, the coach. A ton of – well, they did. Yeah. They did that last year. Yeah. They fired their coach They were going to make the playoffs That's true Max and Zach I got caught by that too I think that was fake I needed to make sure There was a fake Kevin Durant tweet going around That it was John Morant and Anthony Edwards Who's stopping this And the fake tweet is Kevin Durant replying Baby mamas and glocks Yeah that's fake Durant says fuck shit like that And then he deletes it too so it's hard I got noties on for Kevin Durant at all times.

1:11:32I will verify if that's true. But, no, you can't get fooled by the baby mamas and glocks tweet. Yeah. By the way, I saw an NBA thing that I think people are probably more aware of. So maybe it's new to me. But the Pelicans are just, like, soft quitting and going to probably be in, like, relocate. And we know it, like, from way far in advance. they're there because remember we had the weird trade in draft they hired joe dumars who hadn't been in that position for 11 years yeah he's basically been you know the derrick queen trade was crazy there i don't think they've won a game yet and then this guy on twitter retro pel said that they have no promotional calendar for the season they stopped doing any type of watch parties or like any bobbleheads no bobblehead yeah i don't think so and there's no marketing team slogan every other team has one they're the only one that doesn't they're just soft quitting pell i can they're soft quitting they're they're basically just tanking the team so they can move the franchise pell up pell let's talk it's uh it is bullshit i think that any team in the nba that's thinking about relocating though there's going to be a wrinkle that's thrown in now which is because of the gambling stuff the nba's boogeyman that they have out there is they want a vegas team so bad seattle or i guess he'll do both yeah but i i don't think that silver is gonna the time is not right for him to push for a vegas team yeah but it might be too late it's the wheels are in motion yeah no but i with like fbi investigation you got guys in windbreakers coming into your office and you're gonna put a team in vegas i got pablo tori on your ass you're gonna go to vegas Yeah.

1:13:18It's hot. The block is hot. The block is hot right now. Now, if Adam Silver does it, then tip of the cap. He's a real one. Seattle. Seattle. I would love a team in Seattle. They're going to do both. Yeah, no, they are going to do both. And I think they'll be able to get away with Vegas because the NFL already did it. Once the NFL does it. Yeah, but the NFL doesn't have the FBI investigation. I understand, but I'm just saying. After the NBA did their own investigation and cleared. Yeah, Cash Patel isn't trying to drag down the NFL to prop up the NHL. But they can also just say, well, it's legal here so we can regulate it.

1:13:51He's an optics guy. They'll do it and they'll just say it. They'll say it's fine. My cool throne is clones. Clones? Yeah. Iowa State? Tom Brady. Oh. He's cloning himself? Cloned his dog. Oh. This stuff kind of makes me. Yeah. It just makes me think. It's like I think it was a company that he invested into. and it's like that's weird because tom seems like such a normal guy and then he does something like this what if he clones himself the thing with this is what if yeah he awesome he just it's just the dog has to be a little bit different and you have to be able and you notice it and that's got to be so offsetting and also so how old putting sorry how old was the dog that so the dog passed away two years ago yeah so the dog had been living with him while he was like a super bowl champion and so now you're bringing up a clone of your dog and expecting it to be the same when you're not a winner anymore he's still a winner that dog's not going to have championship dna did he rename the dog yes okay i don't know man i'm not i don't think i'm i can get behind this stuff no you like it hank i support i i like i like i support tom yeah good answer yeah yeah good nice political answer right there.

1:15:13And I feel like it's just a move that greats do is wanting to clone themselves. Ted Williams, Tom Brady. Let's get a super team going. It's your dog. It's your dog. There's going to be something different. In his defense, what other way is there to get a dog? That's how you get dogs. Go buy Stella Blue Coffee. You just extract blood from your old one and then you send it to a lab and then a robot mixes it together And then they inject that into another female dog. And then your dog is born again. That's a beautiful thing about nature. Now we got to reprint all the shirt, like adopt, don't shop, adopt, don't clone.

1:15:51Yeah. Bone, don't clone. Yeah. Okay. Your hot seat, Kulteron. My hot seat is us. Uh-oh. Sports podcasters. Uh-oh. So I was trying to look up some stats on Sunday night, and I was trying to find the last time that a team had lost four consecutive games by 21 or more points. And I ended up just asking our guy, StatHole, who got it to me in like two seconds. But I was looking all over the internet for like the best ways to look up these types of stats. And I found in one of my searches a landing page for something called Fox Sports AI. Uh-oh. and i went to it okay and it's a landing page for sports ai beta but there's no there's no like ai bot that you can use yet but it's like a an announcement page for it for a product that hasn't come out yet and nobody at fox sports knew what it was when i was trying to ask about it and what it is us yeah so i i i read through it they're creating a robot online that can do hot takes on demand.

1:17:05Ask sports AI for bold takes, trending topics, or a second opinion on a hot button issue. Whether you're defending your team or talking trash, sports AI is ready to jump in. I don't know that they can, that AI can replicate what we do because we're so wrong. I don't think that, I don't think robots can be wrong on purpose. No, they can't. But it's in their, it's in their bylaws. I brought this up to Blutman and he was like, it might just be cletus and if this is cletus then respect cletus yeah the nfl robot but mad respect when this comes out we're gonna have to do like a john henry verse the machine against this ai bot to prove that humans are still superior oh boy we're cooked yeah no we are cooked we got like two years two i'd like to give us a little more than every movie it's like that's when hank is gonna owe me 50 the ai comes out and then it starts to get smarter and then eventually it gets smarter and then things go haywire and like we're in the like we're trying to work with ai i give it a couple more years before ai then just takes us over yeah although i did everyone right now is like oh let's use ai solutions like and also every time you make a video of ai doesn't it doesn't like take water away from an entire city yeah power yeah but i read an article yesterday that was about how businesses are like pushing back against ai because all the ai companies convince them that it's here and it's the future and then they get these ai bots and they suck because they're wrong like 40 of the time so you can't have that if you're running a business because it costs you money and then you're like i'm going to cancel my my robot subscription and then the ai companies are like hey we're not selling as many robots as we used to and then the vampires that are funding the ai companies are like well uh we're gonna need some of that money back that we gave you investment also it's important to remember that the people that are designing ai are dorks yeah well here's my my big take on ai hank is that i think that it actually we might come out the other end pretty good because everything's going to be so fake and you have no idea what's real or not online that human interaction becomes the gold standard so we all just ditch our phones in our computers and we just this is this me and you looking at each other becomes real it becomes the the best i'm down to ditch phones people aren't gonna do that yeah you're not gonna do that no we're not done i'll fucking do it if not every we should still have podcasts there should be the new phone should just be a box that you get podcasts on and that there's gonna be ai podcasts that's what i'm saying this fox sports ai hot take bot i don't think it could come up with the stupid shit that we get wrong unintentionally.

1:19:47You can't be wrong on purpose. We'll just get even more wrong. Anything we say that's wrong from here on forward, it's so that we're getting AI off the scent. I've not yet begun to be wrong about shit. Like this fucking Packers take. Yep. Don't bring it up again. Good call. That's correct. You think an AI robot would come up with this take, Max? No. AI robots don't understand statement losses. Facts. Statement loss is different than whatever. Yeah, we weren't talking about statement loss. But that's fine. Hey, listen, he misspoke. That was to get AI off the scent. Good job, PFT. I think it might be a statement loss by the Packers now because we know that the Panthers, we know that the Panthers every year that Ohio State wins the championship and J-Lo gets divorced, they make it to the Super Bowl.

1:20:36Facts. Okay, what's your cool throne? My cool throne is Kevin Stefanski because everyone's going to be off his back now because he has given up play-calling duties to Tommy Reese. Nice. So the problem with the Browns' offense, it's no longer on Kevin Stefanski's page. It's on Tommy Reese. And if you're asking, hey, didn't Kevin Stefanski do this same thing last year? You would be correct, yeah. This is like an annual thing. It's like the leaves turning, clocks falling forward. Same thing with Stefanski. This is what he does. I know both guys. I trust both guys, so they're fine. Yeah, except when Tommy tried to go by Tom for a year.

1:21:11That was a red flag. It's like your name's Tom. Sammy Reese. Yeah. Okay, my hot seat is I have two. The first one is going to be Mick Cronin because Mick Cronin, the UCLA Bruins, started their 2025-2026 college basketball campaign. They won against Eastern Washington. But Mick Cronin said after the game, I blame myself. I knew this was coming, but I couldn't stop it. I failed miserably. arrogance, lack of humility, don't want to defend, don't want to rebound, don't want to play defense. There are so many mistakes. I'd like to fire myself. That's accountability. He wants to fire himself. Yep. Hand up.

1:21:51Mick Cronin. He gets it. He could. He gets it. I could see him firing himself and then rehiring himself on an interim basis. Yeah. But one game in, I want to fire myself. Yeah. I love Mick Cronin. He's great. And then my other hot seat is Hank. A little cautionary tale there, Hank, because we're getting some more details on Hugh Freeze at Auburn. And he was so obsessed with golf that some of the boosters said he showed up on Friday before games without his golf clubs just wanting to watch guys play golf. No. That is a tall tale. That is a tall tale. The booster said the only problem we didn't foresee is that he wanted to play golf way more than coach anymore.

1:22:35I said on a Friday before a home game this season Freeze again showed up to the golf course As an Auburn booster told CBS Sports Freeze just came out to the golf course Without clubs to watch guys play golf There is no shot And if you're that obsessed with golf That's like the last thing you want to do Am I going crazy or did I bring that up on Monday And then you said no It's because he lost to Kentucky Well yeah I said he lost to Kentucky But yeah this has been a story about Yeah yeah no I know Oh, there was the – this is a new story. He went to watch guys play golf. Watching guys play golf is crazy.

1:23:09I was saying specifically on Saturday night he lost to Kentucky. He also had a standing date, a standing tee time at a country club. That's totally normal. And then when people caught on to it, then people did more snooping around because they found out that his wife was still logging all her scores onto the GHIN knowing that she was playing with him every week. He just stopped logging his handicap. So he's also been sandbagging. In addition to coaching losing football. No, but I know you said that on Sunday, but I was saying specifically, Kentucky's garbage and they scored three points against Kentucky.

1:23:44But yes, golf is now, he's watching dudes play golf. No, Hugh Freeze is... I don't believe that. Okay. Well, it's just a cautionary tale. He came from liberty. I would never do that. Okay. I would never do that. Never? To show up and just watch? Yeah, because you know that you can't play. You can plausible deniability be like, Like, hey, I didn't play today. I just watched. I wouldn't want to do that. Listen, this was from John Talty on CBS Sports. He posted on Monday afternoon. I believe it because showing up and just watching, that's kind of what they do at Liberty. Day before camp and a hole in one.

1:24:20Come on, Hugh Freeze. That's awesome. That's so sick. I mean, this is a classic. This is all getting reported now that he's on his way out. Every coach golfs. That's what they do. of time to know i think some coaches don't golf a lot of coaches go a lot of some a lot of coaches don't go you think coach o golfs yeah no no yeah i don't think boosters but they have to there's every coach on some level has to at least be able to form a golf swing be yeah they have to be able to play in some events boosters charities like boosters events they have to be able to show up at a golf event and wear a polo shirt at the bare minimum because this happened to brian kelly too brian kelly played 400 rounds yeah you got to start standing up for golfers i will i will happily do what are you gonna do what am i gonna do yeah stand up i'm gonna show that you can play a lot of golf and still perform yeah at a high level okay well yeah you can't a lot of can a lot of saving golf all the time.

1:25:24I mean, the fact that he's able to do that with the back condition that he has is incredible. Like, that's a more impressive comeback story than Fusion Tiger. Look at you. You do the same thing. Look at me. Me and Hugh. Yeah. My cool throne is Wisconsin football. Finally. Finally, some good news. Matt Brown from Extra Points did a FOIA request of 35 universities to see, trying to figure out, like, where NIL money can come from. And part of it is beverage sales, beer sales. And he did that for 35 universities. And Wisconsin had$1 million more than second place in terms of beer sales in stadiums.

1:26:05So got that. $3 million so far this year. Nebraska is second in$2 million. So that's cool, I guess. Wisconsin crushes. Yeah. They drink a lot of beer. It does. My favorite graphic that goes viral every now and again is where they show the drunkest cities in America. and out of the top 10, I want to say, or top 20 maybe, like 14 are in Wisconsin. It's just a heat map. It's a heat map. And it's just all Wisconsin. Wisconsin likes beer. Yeah. Credit to them. We just got to sell more beer and maybe get some more players. It's a lot of Wisconsin. Okay, Zach, your hot seat, Cool Throne. My hot seat this week is going to be Rockstar Games.

1:26:46Gentlemen, we have an update on the GTA 6 front. Oh, there's no way this is a real update. And by update, I mean they have since deleted the now launch date off the website, off the landing page. May 2026 is no more. They're backtracking again. I think we're going to get hit with another calendar year of waiting. I heard a rumor about GTA. Maybe you can tell me if this is true or not. Hank, you'll appreciate this. I heard that within the game of GTA 6, there's going to be 18 holes of golf that you can play. Like there's going to be a full-fledged golf video game inside of GTA. There is a golf course in GTA 5.

1:27:23Them leveling that up to full 18 makes sense to me. I can't confirm the rumor, but they're saying there's so much you should be able to do in the game if it ever comes out that I definitely don't doubt there being an 18-hole golf. I love that. I think they're just making second life. I think they're just making the best second life of all time. Yeah, for sure. All right, so GTA 6 is not coming out. They took the launch date off the website. Just put it out. I'm sure they're trying to perfect it so that, you know, the guy's shadow looks awesome and the ripples and the waves. Just fucking put it out.

1:27:54No one cares. So they did pick up a lot. You guys ever seen like 5M or like GTA RP, like the role play servers you can play on? No, I know what you just said. So RP is kind of like Second Life where in GTA it's like modded out a little bit to where like you can just run a chain of convenience stores or you can have like a food truck. Could you be a podcaster? Yeah, they got studios. You could probably be a podcaster or like gang mors or like cellless and substances. You can do all sorts of stuff. They hired a bunch of the RP guys last year from 5M. So maybe we are leaning towards more of a second life situation, but it's just never coming out.

1:28:32They might just be making the everything game. Like every other game is built into GTA, and you can play it. There's probably a flight simulator in it. They need to make it so that you can... It's a flight simulator. No, but I mean like a full-fledged flight simulator. High-fidelity cockpit. And then they make it so that you just like plug your brain into it. So you're not even playing with a controller. And you just go to sleep. And you play the game. That would be cool. So GTA gets with meta. Spy kids too. Yeah. No, and when you buy it. Yeah, you don't even buy the game. You buy a pill. And it's a red pill.

1:29:07And then you just take the red pill. And you sign in with what? Like blood type? Yeah. Okay. Then you just sign in with your name, Neo. Okay, your cool throne? My cool throne this week is Luke from the Outdoor Boys, because for the next foreseeable future, next couple weeks, we get some more Outdoor Boys back. Oh, he's back? He's coming back. He missed it too much. He missed it. This is how it starts. For people who don't know, this is the most wholesome content on the Internet, period. It's this guy. Where does he live? Alaska? He is somewhere very frigid all the time. Yeah, he's a lawyer, and he had an incredible channel where he basically teaches you how to survive.

1:29:46He has two young boys that he teaches them how to survive, hunt, fish, build huts. And he just retired, what, six months ago, saying that he wanted to just be with his family more, and now he's back? Oh, it's unfinished videos in November. Uploading three previously unfinished videos in November. So he's still retired, but this is just like from the vault. Yeah, in the retirement video, he's like, hey, I have been working on these three videos. If I wrap them up, finish them, I'm going to give them to you guys. these next three Saturdays are when we get those. It's almost like we're hopping in like an outdoor boys time machine going back.

1:30:19Oh, so your plans are set. Time block on Saturdays for a little bit. Is this going to be the best career move that he ever made? These videos are going to go nuts, aren't they? Like numbers? Mm-hmm. I mean, he's been.

1:30:37Sorry. Yeah, me just said three. That was a great three. Yeah. Automatic on the three there. but you know i'm saying it's like if uh if an artist dies all the artwork it goes up in price if you retire from from something you know obviously people are gonna spend more money on the stuff that you made beforehand if you say you're walking away from the internet and you actually follow through and in this case six months is that's a very long retirement to follow through on because a lot of people say like oh i'm never i'm never logging on to x the everything app it's all happening on x again and then they then they re-sign up in like a week but the fact that he's been gone for so long when he drops these videos i feel like those are going straight to the top of the charts yeah yeah he was he was already in like the out of this world boom zone as far as the charts go this is just kind of pride you're right to go oh i like that five big ones the out of the world boom boom zone i love you gotta be terrified here we ever put out any videos that are out of this world boom zone dk mcgf and aaron donald every week yeah boom zone okay good job zach let's do a couple ads and we'll get to our interview before we get to johnny fanta he's brought to you by our great friends over at chevy it's football season and if you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff there's one ride that's always game ready the chevy silverado the silverado is a longtime partner part of my take and our favorite truck it's all about grit from job site to tailgate.

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1:33:22Now, if you're watching NBC, if you're watching the Big Ten on Saturday night, they're doing the Phantom Minute, and I love it every time I get so jacked up when I see you on my TV on Saturday night, except when it's Wisconsin playing and getting absolutely manhandled, which did happen a couple weeks ago. But, Johnny, great to see you. Do you want to talk some football first? Let's go. I mean, how about the Big Ten with the top two teams in the country, and that Matt Patricia defense that has just been absolutely dominant in Columbus. The repeat threat is real. But to me, Coach Cignetti has totally changed the sport of college football.

1:34:05He's put everybody on notice saying, don't give me two, three, four years that it takes you to figure it out with a program. There's a real national championship contender in Bloomington, and that's really cool out of Indiana. College football is wild, guys. I've loved jumping into the sport. I'm having a blast on Saturdays. Like you said, Big Cap, with NBC, trying different things. One of my favorite things, and you guys can relate to this, is they'll say, hey, let's do something random. I'm like, hey, this week South Dakota's playing South Dakota State in football and North Dakota's playing North Dakota State.

1:34:39Let's highlight the chaos in the sport because there's no shortage of it. I know you both love it, and I've loved jumping into it. It's awesome. I mean, if we want to talk the most chaotic storyline, and I've talked to Big Cat a little bit about this before. I don't know if we've really talked about that much on the air, but just look at Washington State's schedule this year. It is supreme chaos. It is so crazy. They play against Oregon State twice this year. They travel all across the country playing anybody who will play against them. They're like, we got a schedule to fill up. That's what I love about college football, just the craziness of it.

1:35:14You talked about Signetti. do you think that coaches now are like hey dude what the fuck why why did you turn this around so quickly we've been selling three four-year rebuilds everywhere that we go and it's worked out pretty good and then you just get in you dominate i'd be upset at him for that oh it's true look he's been the trendsetter i mean mike galco is the same way and and i just think in this in this new age the the era of like talking through processes and that it takes time and it takes patience. You know, when people are like, hey, like you guys shouldn't talk about that guy's seat being hot or you guys shouldn't talk about, look, I know coaches.

1:35:52I know humans have families and we get that side of it. But the fact is the amount of money that you're being compensated and the expectations to also, this is not a 14 playoff. It's not a BCS national championship game. You have a shot to make a 12 team playoff. If you're one of the mainstream programs, like Indiana was not in that realm. Indiana's more like a destination type. But to your point, PFT, about the interim coach thing and change and the chaos in college football, that's my thing. This sport is so wild. This sport's so wild because I thought of Oregon State this past week. I love the Ed Orgeron sounding coach after the win over, was it Washington?

1:36:38Washington State. 10-7. we really we this sport is so chaotic you could power rank the interim coaches yeah yeah yeah well let me ask you this is going to be a hard question john i hate to start you off like grilling you you know we want to do softballs we want to butter you up a little bit i need you to tell me is indiana football school or basketball school john well i i do believe that it's that it's both. I mean, I don't think cop out. No, it can't be both. You're both, you're not one. So to me, here's my take on this. If Indiana football has their best season, right? Which now, what is their best season?

1:37:22Is it a national championship? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely within the realm. Yes. If Indiana football has their very best season and Indiana basketball has their very best season, which today, today, the fact is that's not a national championship. Like they are not a national title contender. But if they do, let's just say Darren DeVries gets them back to being a top three to five team in the country. They're going to have enough money. They've got the brand power. The Big Ten is loaded. I always liken it to, okay, if you look at those two programs and they have their absolute best season, where is there more interest?

1:37:59And to me, there's more move the needle interest nationally with Indiana basketball if they are that damn great. And so my argument is Indiana will always be a basketball school first. That's the correct answer. That is absolutely correct. But the fact that it took you that long to explain why Indiana is a basketball school makes me think maybe it's a football school. Well, it's also the Indiana football Twitter is similar to Providence College Twitter, where it's like you don't want to get on the wrong side of those guys. And I'm not saying that was a bad explanation, John. I'm saying that, like, for our entire lives, you ask that question and the answer, it's like, why did you ask me that stupid question?

1:38:36Of course, basketball. No. The best part, if they do win a national championship in football, is going to be we get to all tell Indiana, yeah, you're a football school now, and they will secretly grow to resent the fact that their football team won an Addy because now they have to defend their basketball program. Well, the one thing that I thought about, and I agree with you, is that if somebody said, yeah, Sig's got a lifetime deal, you know, if he goes 3-9, they should start building the statue anyways, and Sig's never going to go 3-9. I think Kurt Signetti, I love him. Like, I don't know him, but like, Sig, I love you because I think you're yourself, and I love when the camera pans to your face and you've got like 70 different expressions throughout the game.

1:39:17That's what people love about Hurley. It's what people love about a patino. It's what people love about like different figures in sport, which those are running low on the coaching side. But SIG's one of those guys where you're just like you're captivated by it. But if Indiana basketball goes to comparable to three and nine, that's not okay. No matter if it's flop night or if it's whoever the coach is, it's not okay if Indiana basketball is that bad. They got to get going. Like there's a side thing here as they hire Darren DeVries And think about it like Purdue has dominated the sport of college basketball and the Big Ten in particular now in recent years, even though Michigan was the Big Ten tournament title.

1:39:59Like there are schools that your your main sport. It doesn't just go away. It might be in the shadows, but it's like there's just certain places that you got to get good because the sports better when you're good. The sport's better when you're playing meaningful games deep into a season. Like, I think about that with, like, USC and Nebraska football. I was watching that game last Saturday, and I'm like, I'm into this game a little bit. It was during Game 7 of the World Series. But I was saying to myself, like, I want to see one of these two be up here. Right. Not 6-2. When are they going to be 7-1 or 8-0?

1:40:37Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. Nebraska has kind of been trying to climb that hill for a while. Same with USC. They've been trying to capture that back, that magic, because USC really should never be bad with the talent they have in Southern California. I was watching the other night on Saturday night. You threw out an idea. You said, why not call Dabo if you're one of these schools that's looking for a coach right now? Do you think there's a chance that could happen? Do you think that Dabo Sweeney could potentially not get fired from Clemson but decide to leave on his own and do a fresh start somewhere else?

1:41:11One million percent. I think that he is John Calipari going to Arkansas waiting to happen. Oh, I like it. Because I think things have run their course. You want to end things in a place where it wouldn't end pretty. And if he ever had to go back to Clemson, I think the act for both sides, This is like a marriage that started out really strong and had some terrific memories. And you even had a couple of kids and you're proud of what you produced. But then you get about, you know, 17, 18 years into it and you wake up one morning and you say, man, is this what I want to do for the rest of my life?

1:42:00And I am, by the way, like I was the 14th seed on this show who met my wife for the three seed. So I just hope that she never wakes up and thinks that about my ass. But the point is, I want us to be together forever. I don't want us to get to 18 years and then hang it up. And have Auburn come calling, yeah. Yeah, exactly. God bless Hugh Freitz. I mean, he's counting his dollars somewhere. But the fact is, if you're Dabo, somebody's got to say to him, I always think about with these coaches, Does anyone get through to them? Like some of them, the answer is no. But at some point, even Cal had someone get through to him and be like, look, there's still something in there.

1:42:45It's just not going to happen here. And like when Cal made the Sweet 16 this past year, remember the energy? Remember the feeling? Like think about Dabo. Let's just say he goes to – I'm just going to throw it out. Let's just say he goes to Virginia Tech. Like I don't think that will happen because it's within the ACC. But maybe he goes, maybe he takes Florida State or something. Maybe he takes Florida. I mean, I don't think Florida would do it, but let's just say he does something like that. I don't think LSU. I highly doubt that. But he takes one of those programs to the playoff. All of a sudden, he writes something new that gives a different energy and sometimes more energy because that fan base hasn't, they haven't tasted it yet.

1:43:34The Clemson fans have tasted the top. Once you've tasted the top, it's so much harder to stay there, especially in this climate. So for Dabo, your story's written at Clemson. I think it's probably best for both parties, for him to be elsewhere and for Clemson to move forward in some other way because it's run its course, guys. Yeah, I like this. You're selling me, Johnny. You're selling me. Yeah, go to a place where they treat you like it's a new thing again. Yeah. New positions and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you like a new career type of opportunity. Like, it gives you a freshness. And also, like, he's in a conference that he should be winning.

1:44:20Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's not working in the ACC. All right. So if I were him, I'd be intrigued by the SEC. You know why? They'd get five teams to the playoff. It's true. Yeah. I don't know if I'd be intrigued by Auburn, though. No. I feel like Auburn is, it's like the worst of both worlds. Because you have the SEC, which draws you in. You're like, okay, going to an SEC school, they care deeply and passionately about football. But at the same time, they do not tolerate, they have that expectation, like, we're supposed to compete in the SEC. we've won two national championships in the last 25 years go look on the side of our stadium we just put up a new one you can check that one out for yourself and that's their expectation that they have and I don't think it's a very realistic expectation for Auburn football so I feel like that would be that would be a tough job to take you need somebody that's got that's like you have to hit a home run with that hire for it to work yes there are levels to this there are levels that That's why he's likely got to go to one of the best openings in the sport.

1:45:27But as we all know, the one biggest thing in college football right now is you're at$180-plus million in buyout money. At this point, if you're going to fire your coach, do you realize that you're taking a number on a Saturday morning at a New York City deli during the holiday week and you have to go and stand in that line. And that line is loaded with people who want a half pound of turkey breast and a half pound of roast beef and a half pound of this. And you, like, LSU is one of one still. I don't care about the governor. Florida's one of one still. Penn State's one of one still. And if you are in that line and your name's not one of those three, you may not get your guy, the second guy, or the third guy.

1:46:18So if you're going to fire your coach now, there's only so many good names. That's why, actually, I would turn it and say, Dabo, if there were ever a time for you to leverage yourself, it's probably right now. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Johnny, I got a question for you, because now that you are at NBC, I noticed also you tweeted something the other day about Miami being number two a couple weeks ago and now being out of the playoff. Now, Miami is disappointing. This is what has happened to Miami the last few years. They fade. Every year in September, everyone says this team's different, and then they show up to ACC play, and they don't do well.

1:46:55I think Mario's 4-11 in November and December. So that aside, and we don't know the rankings yet. We talked about them at the start of the show. We're taping this before the ranks come out. You work for NBC now. my simple question to you is if Miami's out of the playoffs is Notre Dame out of the playoffs? Well, today I would say that yes They're both out Okay, because you know what I'm getting at here Miami's loss hurts Notre Dame because Notre Dame and Miami now have the same record and Notre Dame to get in needs Miami to now lose another one They needed them to either be a one-loss team or a three-loss team because they played head-to-head, and those games have to matter.

1:47:43But I think the Irish, if they went out, will make the playoffs. And what if Miami wins out? Also make the playoffs? I don't think so. Now, John, you can't have that. You can't have Miami with two losses out of the playoffs and Notre Dame with two losses in the playoffs. this is the mbc showing this is your mbc showing wait a minute wait a minute no it's not i'm not on the playoff i'm not on the playoff committee i don't decide who the teams are i just have a gut feeling like you two do that that you know that this committee is gonna like yeah no i said it right away after their first two losses i was like notre dame's still gonna go to the playoff and seasons evolved i mean whether anybody like notre dame and miami are different teams than who they were on Labor Day weekend.

1:48:34They just are. But do the games matter, John? They're supposed to. But this is where the playoff – I think Notre Dame will make the playoffs. If I were making a bracket today, I likely would not put them there right here right now. But I think that they will ultimately make it. The reason why – with Miami, I should address your question of if they went out. Well, here's the thing, Big Cat. But if they win out, there's still no guarantees. In fact, the odds are stacked against them that they would get a chance to fight for an automatic bid because the ACC title game, it's all but out for them when you look at those conference standings.

1:49:14Here they are at 2-2, and you got Virginia at 5-0, and Georgia Tech at Pittsburgh at 5-1, and then a few other teams at 4-1. I think that there is no question, and this is more like I will – I'll say this about – and I don't think – I really believe in this. I'm not giving the company a lot. I don't think that we do – we don't do a two-hour long pregame show on Saturday mornings like some of the other networks do. But I do think there is an issue in college football with the agendas and with the subjective nature of some of the beliefs and things. When I put that out there, it's because I look at Miami and I'm like, today, they're not.

1:50:00No, you're right. They're not a playoff team. But I think one of the other problems is that there's so much of the going to bat. And when people are like, well, the committee doesn't look at that stuff. Come on. They're human beings like you and I. But even more like that, when people say, hey, what's the difference between college football and college basketball? Like college basketball on Selection Sunday, sometimes people go to bat for a team. But guys, at least half those people are going to bat for a mid-major. Yeah. Not going to bat for some high major team that went 15 and 15. You know, like it's different.

1:50:35It's different. So that side of it's been interesting to learn about this season. But I just believe that the Irish, if they win out, they're going to make the playoffs. And I think Miami, I don't see Miami winning out. If they do, it's obviously a case. But I just, there's nothing about their recent play that would suggest that they're going to do that. NBC Johnny. What if the two teams played each other? What if they played against each other? Yeah, hypothetically, who would win? Yeah, who would win that game? Today, Notre Dame. No, but who? I like that. Yeah, okay, today. Yeah. NBC Johnny. Listen, you got your welcome packet.

1:51:10I understand how it works. You just talked about subjectiveness. You're a subjective guy now, which I get. It makes sense. You got to be. He said, hypothetically, if they played. Yeah. He didn't say on Labor Day weekend when they played. No. No, I said you can choose your own adventure. Like, you could say, yeah, you know, I think Notre Dame, I think that it would be a big paycheck and a big spread. Oh, wait, I said the quiet part out loud. Yeah. Yeah. We love you, Johnny. We get it. And the fact of the matter is, I don't think it's an uniquely NBC situation. I just want to give you shit. I think Notre Dame, they are playing good football right now.

1:51:50They're playing better football than Miami is at the moment. That's fair. And the committee does take that into account. We've seen that in the past with a lot of decisions that they've made going into this time of year. So it's not a secret. But if that does happen, I will completely and totally side with Miami Hurricanes fans in that situation. Yeah, you have to. In that situation. Remember, Notre Dame's got to keep winning. They have to win out and they have to win that game at Pittsburgh on Saturday, November 15th. And that, I expect that to be a big game feel out of Pitt. And that's a tough spot for Notre Dame.

1:52:24But I like CJ Carr and the way he's playing. And, you know, for Notre Dame, the biggest thing right now is their kicking situation. I mean, they exhausted three kickers on Saturday, so they need to find somebody who can kick the football. Well, last college football question for me, because you do cover the Big Ten. Is it truly, and I do think this is the case, that Ohio State, Indiana's very, very good. Indiana's probably the second best team. They might be number one ranked when you're listening to this. I think Ohio State is that much better than everyone else, and we've asked this question to everyone who covers college football.

1:52:57is this Ohio State team better than last year's Ohio State team? Without question. Oh! Yeah, they are. Because that defense is just filthy. I mean, Arvel Reese and Sonny Stiles, Caleb Downs, and the Patricia factor's real. And to me, I mean, they protect Julian Sane. And as a result, like, guys, it is crazy to say this, okay? Jeremiah Smith has 26 touchdowns in 24 football games. He has 26 touchdowns in 24 football games. He shows up and it's 7-0, if not 14-0 before you've snapped the ball, and they don't allow points. They've only allowed 53 points thus far this season around that number? I mean, come on.

1:53:52How do you score on them? the only formula that I would love to just see, and I, because I'm curious, I want to see, and we'll see it, I think we could see it in the playoff. I mean, hell, we saw the national championship game, Notre Dame went, remember Notre Dame went right down the field and scored a touchdown. And then for the better part of the game from there, Ohio State dominated the line of scrimmage. But to me, it's like, there's no game pressure on Ohio State. There's none. Because they can fall back on their defense, And Saiyan's smart. Like, Saiyan's not getting enough credit. He's smart enough to know if I don't make mistakes, we're going to beat virtually anybody.

1:54:33So, I believe that they are. I believe that they're destined to be in the national championship game at the very least. But it is amazing because, you know, you sit here and we love everything, all the twists and turns with this sport. And the fact is, I didn't feel it last year when they won it all. I didn't. I was a little contrarian when they went and won it all. But now I feel it more this year. You know, I'm not saying there's any job on the line, but I'm just saying you got to go into the big house and win that football game. Yes. Like, because you won a national championship, you got to get the burden off your back of getting owned in this rivalry in recent years.

1:55:15And Michigan's still tough, and they do have a formula, and they'll have the crowd on their side and all that. that that's the next thing that I've got circled uh but but yeah Ohio State has absolutely just dominated their way through this thing because they play smart football and they got the best defense they got one of the best defenses we've seen in the last 25 years in college football if you if you get in the red zone you don't score on them it's crazy it's nuts to watch we'll get back to John Fenton in a second before we do he's brought to you by our great friends over at Experian some listeners may be looking for a travel credit card so they can maximize rewards on their trip to London for the Super Bowl, Hank.

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1:56:21Take control of your finances with your big financial friend Experian and find a card match to you today. Download the Experian app now. And now, back to John Fanta. Do you think that there's a chance that, obviously, Indiana looks like they'll win out, Ohio State very likely they could win out as well. They'll play each other. Is there a chance that the loser of that game does not get a buy, does not become one of the top four seeds? Thank you. I would think that it would depend on what the game looks like. like what the score looks like is it a 35 point game and then has there been reason to believe that there's somebody else that should jump but i kind of liken it to like and and it's only because of the sample size we also haven't had this in college football right where they take the they actually reward the four best but like even when Auburn was struggling last year, they still got a one seed because they had built up so much rapport.

1:57:25And I do think there's a world where that committee shows up on Saturday morning and says, unless there's an injury or something that is really just catastrophic for either side, we believe in their value as a top four team. Also, we don't want to stay up until 1145 and meet in the conference room again yeah yeah they're they're gonna be they're gonna be a top four team so i if ohio state and indiana go in there there's always a sliver but like my answer is i i don't see either one of those teams not in the top four uh all right let's shift real quick to college basketball it is back we made it i know this is your favorite time i do love feast week it's we're we're a couple weeks away it's one of my favorite weeks of the year um like big picture going into the season.

1:58:11There's some really good teams. Give us your top three teams, and has it changed at all from watching on Monday night with Co-Pete and Arizona and how insanely good he was? Reward them. Reward them. Purdue, Houston, Arizona. Wow. My top three right here, right now. I'm buying the Co-Pete train, and I think Jaden Bradley is the perfect steadying the ship guy for Arizona basketball. And when you look at their pedigree, Tommy Lloyd has been outstanding. He has won close to 80 % of the games that he's coached in right around there. It's because his teams are just so loaded with talent. And Pete, his ability to just own the game was incredible, guys.

1:59:01I mean, that is just the second Big 12 freshman ever to have a stat line like that in their debut. you don't just come in and do that. But they've got the right pieces in their front court. I think a lot of people were concerned about how they would match up with Florida's front line. Forget about it. They're stacked with depth there, but they got as good a freshman as any in the country, and they've got the right guard in Bradley. Like Brayden Burry's was not particularly good in this opener, but I like his upside, and I think big picture he'll be all right. But Arizona is right there. Houston's not going anywhere.

1:59:35Like Kelvin Sampson just got his 800th win. And he's driven to get back to that Final Four and fulfill his own destiny. Milo Shuzan, Emmanuel Sharp, the freshman that people aren't talking about is Chris Senak. I think as he progresses along, we'll be big time. And then, guys, there's no bigger story this year. We can get to it in a second. The freshman class is the biggest story. I can tell you why in a moment. But in terms of teams, the Final Four is in Indianapolis. You guys have been doing your live shows at the Final Four. How much would you love a Final Four show from downtown Indy with Braden Smith, Fletcher Lawyer, Trey Kaufman-Wren, good guy, everybody's good guy, Matt Painter, and Purdue potentially finally getting over the hump and winning it all?

2:00:23Like, Pain is one of the beloved guys in the sport. They've been so close. The Big Ten's trying to snap this title drought. This is as strong of a shot as any for that drought to end. and the boilers have the pieces to cut down the nets and could do it in their home state. That gives me chills. I don't like Purdue, so I don't want that to happen. But, yes, that would be a cool story for people who are romantic about college basketball. If you're a Purdue hater, it could even be better. It could be Purdue losing in the championship game in Indy. You have that upside, too. They could get all the way there, and they could meet Dan Hurley in UConn again, and then there you go.

2:01:01That could also happen. So when you're talking about freshmen, were you going to talk about Darren Peterson? Because I've read a lot about this Darren Peterson kid, and he looked really, really good the other night. Is he as good as I've heard that he is? Yes. Yes. He can have a season like when Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse to a national championship. That'd be a pretty good season. That's the kind of impact Darren Peterson can have on Kansas. Because this Kansas team around Darren Peterson on paper, they've got some different things that I would look at and say, okay, I'm a little bit concerned about, big picture.

2:01:41But Peterson makes them go. And Flory Badunga is a mobile postman who can cause problems for a defense. They brought in Melvin Council Jr. from St. Bonaventure. I really like him. They brought in Trey White from Illinois. I really like him. But it's not like, like Kansas sometimes has this luxury of toys and you're just like, man, they're going to, they're no longer the, hey, we just dominate the big 12 Kansas. Houston's taken that torch and Houston will win the big 12 again in my estimation. But Kansas has the most game changing player out of the big 12. Yes, even more so than AJ DeBansa. like Peterson for me is he's won he's won today I think that he's just a super talent and he and Bill Self you know this is another storyline Bill Self we don't know how much longer he's going to coach had a bit of a health scare in the offseason coach Self we love you we're glad that you're back on the sidelines you're a legend you're a hall of famer but we don't know how much longer he's going to go on the sidelines, what would it mean for him if he can get on one more Final Four run with this star-studded potential number one pick?

2:02:57And that's just it, guys. I'm telling you right now, college basketball is about to have extra juice. One, because you've got a lot of players who have stayed for the money, and that helped the sport the last couple of years. The three of us have talked about it. But when is college basketball at its absolute best? It's at its absolute best when people are talking about players who are leading title contenders and could also hear their name called as the number one, number two, number three picks in the NBA draft. The NBA draft could have the top six be college freshmen. Cameron Boozer is a winner.

2:03:33He's won everywhere he's gone, and he's on a team that could win it. Darren Peterson is too. A.J. DeBount says well, and now Coa Pete enters the conversation. So this freshman class, and I didn't even get to Mikel Brown in Louisville. No, you didn't. I was wondering if you were going to get to him. Louisville, Kentucky's back. That rivalry is back. I love that. It's getting more blood. I'm telling you, the coaches will say publicly that they respect each other and that they love each other. These two coaches want to beat the hell out of each other. Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope quietly, there's some of this going on, and you're going to see that clash.

2:04:08That's next week. So get ready for a taste. That rivalry is back in a big damn way because Kentucky spent over$20 million on their roster, and Louisville, they spent a lot too, but Kelsey's got this, Kelsey's kind of this revolutionary, energetic presence. Brown's really good, and they've got a bunch of pieces around him that I think have a chance to shine. The Cardinals are here to stay, and so is Kentucky. All right, I'm fired the hell up. Max has a question for you that he would like to ask, and it's actually not about Kevin Willard, who was at your wedding. We should all make sure that we say that every single time.

2:04:44When he leaves Villanova in three years, you're going to come on this show and be like, don't worry, guys. He's actually a great guy. But either way, Max, you have a question for Johnny football slash basketball. I think we're about 31 minutes into this interview yet. We haven't had one mention of the Big East. Do you hate the Big East and do you hate Italians now? Do you see the subject matter, Max? I love the Big East and I love Italians. Are you kidding me? I'm sitting here in a hotel room in Omaha right now getting ready to start our NBC sports coverage of college basketball with Creighton and the South Dakota Coyotes on Wednesday night.

2:05:20There we go. And then I'm heading to Hartford on Friday to call the UConn game. And then Saturday, I'm at Mohegan Sun because we've got South Florida and George Washington. But then we've got Providence and Virginia Tech. There we go. And all the Friar faithful are going to make Mohegan Sun. They're going to be betting$100 on black and then going into the arena, and they're going to be drinking, and it's going to be crazy. So I love the Big East, and I love Italians. I love meatballs. Meatballs, prayer, and hoops is where this – that was from this show. That's how that even became a thing. And I'm always indebted to the Big East.

2:05:55The Big East opened up a door for me out of college to get into college basketball, this glorious sport. and guys this is the only league where a coach Richard Pitino and Xavier did you guys see this they barely beat Marist and Richard gives out grades for his performance if you look at the first reply it's from an account named Jerome Hunter fan club for a guy that played at Xavier now a couple years ago and the guy says coach I didn't drink as much you know as I'd like to my my beer performance wasn't very good Pitino replies immediately and says do better next time out But come on, that's this league in November.

2:06:34This league is 365 days a year basketball. It's always got a place at the table. And UConn and St. John's, I can't get through three minutes of a space without these two fan bases cursing each other out. I'm not kidding you. I am fully expecting, like, at the Garden and when the other matchups in Hartford, to a lesser degree because it's in Hartford and UConn fans just fill it up. But like, I don't think that those two fan base can sit near each other without a full-on brawl breaking out. We got to do like, you know, European soccer where it's, you know, bisection and have just security standing in between them.

2:07:13The Red River shootout where you got the two sides of the stadium. Yeah. And I love when I asked Dan Hurley about the rivalry and he doesn't shy away from it and looks into the camera and said, there's tension. There's tension. That's good. Nice. It's real. There's no love lost. It's real. And those two guys, remember, they're both in the top five. Like we talked about all these national storylines. Max, you know this. Like right now, the UConn St. John's thing has never been hotter. And if you think that those two programs want the best for one another, I'm here to tell you, they'll be fine with them winning in non-con because it only bolsters them when they meet.

2:07:53But when they meet, it is going to be absolutely old school, 80s type physicality. And College Hoops needs that. They need the pettiness. They need the commentary because it helps the sport cut through and break through. It's a good thing. And that Patino Hurley rivalry, guys, that's as big a rivalry as you're going to see. Even if they deflect it, you can't deflect it. It's this UConn-St. John superiority thing. And St. John swept UConn last year, but UConn won the last two national championships prior to that. So now you've got this. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to say anything about Kevin Willard and Villanova?

2:08:36Well, I'd love to get Max's – like I'd be curious to get his thought. But, Max, I would say I was encouraged by the opener because I thought that could go sideways and they could end up – you know, that could be a double-digit loss. That's a no-harm loss to BYU, and Bryce Lindsay looked terrific. What did you think? First half looked like it could have been ugly, but I think Willard got them in a right headspace going into the second half, and then Bryce Lindsay caught fire, and that's all we needed. The thing that I was most encouraged about is the thing that most Villanova fans were scared of going into this season is that the front court is pretty weak and rebounding against a team as athletic as BYU, and then out-rebounding them last night meant that Kevin Willard just got the boys ready to go for that game.

2:09:25They were out hustling. They were out working BYU, which is encouraging to see because it's not something that we have seen a lot of the past couple of years. And at least we didn't have the guys to finish that game, but they were ready to play, I thought. Yeah. Okay. Good, Bags. And Willard was committed with his rotation in the second half. You know, Caden Lewis did sit down. I think he could be a one-and-done freshman. Yeah, he's got to be better. Cain Lewis has got to be better than last night, but first game. And I think he will be, and I think you'll see them progress. And I actually think that they are going to be – I think they'll be bubbly, Max, but I think they could be on the right side of the bubble after watching them last night.

2:10:03That would be a win. Bubbly. That would be a successful season. I like bubbly Nova. Maybe first four out for Nova? That would be huge. No, that would not be huge. First four out. I'm kind of thinking last four in for Nova right now. Last four in. No, I disagree. My bracketology, I actually just did my bracketology before we started this conversation. I don't have any teams listed except for Villanova in my first four out section. I have Miami in my first four out. Okay. First four out. All right, Johnny, I got one last question for you. This has always been great. We'll have you on throughout the course of the year.

2:10:37Love that college basketball is back. It's a row back question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20 % off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com promo code TAKE. I got to give you a minute. Brownies, give it to us. Oh, that was – I was going to say to you, I'm so glad you didn't ask me about them, but that's why this is the Roback question. You have to. Oh, my gosh. I mean, here's the thing with this situation, okay? And I am heading to MetLife on Sunday. I'm going to this game. Between the Browns and the Jets, because my wife, when the schedule came out, she said, we need to go to the game.

2:11:20I was like, OK, fun family Sunday. Could go to a farm or a pumpkin patch. No, let's let's head and watch these two go up against each other. Aaron Glenn and Kevin Stefanski. I mean, it's literally now with what the Jets did at the trade deadline. This is probably it's as close to like an XFL type of game that you're going to probably see. in the National Football League. It just is. I mean, here's the thing. The one thing that makes me, and you guys have baited me into this, the one thing that makes me, and now I'm biting the fishing rod. The thing that makes me more annoyed than anything is when there are people out there who say that the Browns are sabotaging Shador Sanders.

2:12:12Okay. Okay. They drafted him. They called and drafted him. They took him in the NFL draft. Also, I'm 30. I'm 30. I have not had one stable quarterback presence. And it's not. And yeah, Baker is now. But Baker went through multiple teams before he got to this level. And he wasn't stable. And that's also on the Browns. There's three sides to every story. Both sides are at fault for that. But my point is, I have never had a stable quarterback in Cleveland. Don't you think that if this guy could have an iota of playmaking and leadership and presence, then he would have gotten into the game by now?

2:13:06Yeah, it's a good point. It's fair. It's not like we're talking about some rich competition with people slinging it. I went to training camp, and I watched Dylan Gabriel throw. And the moment I watched him throw, I'm like, look, the kid seems nice and mature. But, you know, nice and mature does not equivocate to winning football games. And I'm watching him, and I'm like, he's just not big enough to play the position in the National Football League. The fact that Sanders hasn't gotten in yet pretty much says it all about Sanders. I hope that he – look, at this point, I want to see him play because everything about this conversation every single week, it's become stale and nauseating and I'm tired.

2:13:52And the Browns are so limited. They don't have a wide receiver. They don't have a wide receiver. Like Jerry Judy is not a wide receiver one or two right now. He's just not. And I think the frustrating thing is you get the Miles Garrett payday. And now every week, Miles Garrett saying like, this is what's wrong with us. It's like, Miles, I love you. But like, you knew what you were signing up for. You got to be a leader. Like you're a great player, Miles. You're a Hall of Famer. I love you. But guys, they need a total reset. They're going to have to get a complete reset. I don't know what the owner thinks, but I'm here to tell you right now that the writing's on the wall.

2:14:29The Browns, they've got eight of the top 150 draft picks in the next draft. They can't have the people who have made the picks in the past make them again. They need to take out the shovel, or excuse me, not shovel. They need to bring in the stadium detonation crew. The whole thing's got to come down, and you've got to get new people in there. That's the end of story. And as for Shadour Sanders, guys, I hope I see him this Sunday at MadLife. because every week, Cat and PFT, every week these people say, the Browns are ruining, the Browns are this, the Browns. Like, okay, just play. You have nothing to lose, and I'm here to watch it.

2:15:06Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's worth just taking a look and seeing what you got. But, yeah, the preseason discourse of the offensive line isn't blocking for Shadour. You don't believe that? That sounded legit to me when I heard that. I was like, yeah, these guys are trying to make an NFL roster, but they also have the opportunity to make Shadour look silly. so they're probably going to go with a silly option. They drafted him. And people are like, oh, they're sabotaging. They're the ones who picked him. And people are like, well, he could be situationally better somewhere else. Where? Colorado?

2:15:40I hope he pans out. I do. Guys, like there's going to be Twitter that reacts. This is going to be somebody on Twitter that says, Fanta hates Shador. No, no, no. I literally pray every night. I pray for my son, my wife, and the Browns to find a damn quarterback. And if Shador Sanders, if he goes in there and actually slings it, then you know the house cleaning I talked about? It should happen like during the game because that means that you put Dylan Gabriel. Remember, they drafted Gabriel in the third round. That to me, that's the biggest because Gabriel probably would have been there in the fifth round.

2:16:16They drafted him in the third round of the National Football League draft. I just, and then Flacco goes to Cincinnati and he's putting up over 40 points. I can't. I just, I can't wrap my head around. They were in the playoffs less than 24 months ago. And now they're back to square one. Yeah. This is my life as a football fan. It's why I've been relatively quiet this season because I'm out of words. I think maybe what the Browns need to do is they need to have different guys draft offensive players and defensive players. It's a different skill. You guys are really good at drafting defense. Yep.

2:16:47Right. You don't want to miss out on that right now. I think you've got a great defense. I think that the defense right now, it's like, yeah, if I'm looking at the Browns as a three-, four-year project, I could see them being good in a couple years. But then I remind myself they would need to draft some guys on offense too, and that's not really – I guess they can draft running backs. There's two sides to the ball, to the game. Yeah, just bring in a quarterback guy. Yeah, bring in a quarterback guy. We haven't had a kicker. I mean, we just cannot. It's guys pray for me. I can't, you know, I just Sunday, I feel like I'm going to church with these jet fans.

2:17:27Like I'm going to reach across the aisle and give them a hug. We're in the same, we're all in this together. That Browns jets game. I know, I know you two are avid football viewers and you love it. I can't wait to get any sort of in-game feel update vibe from, you're going to have to keep an eyeball at times on what's happening within that game. Oh, we'll have it on TV. We have every game on in the cave. It will probably be the side TV. But, yeah, we'll have it on. Instead of the National Anthem, they should do Peace Be With You.

2:17:58I can't believe you're going to that game. Are you bringing – it's supposed to be raining and, like, miserable? My son is not coming. My son is not coming. My wife really wanted – she wanted to go. And I've got a buddy coming in from Cleveland. So it's one of those things where this is – But, you know, you ever set something on the calendar in the sports world? Yep. Well, you know what, guys? I will wake up Sunday morning. This is the power of the national football league. We will all wake up on Sunday morning and hope springs eternal. It's amazing how it does that on a Sunday morning. You get in the shower and you just feel like, you know what?

2:18:35Today could be the day. Today could be the day I find something out. I didn't know yet about my team. Yeah. Yep. You could. You're right. You could. I think you could win that game. so yeah we could but what but it could cost us whatever we probably could the it's i can't believe we beat the packers the packers have had the strangest season yeah how strange is season been yeah two really bad losses on there yep and a tie and a tie a tie to dallas who stinks yeah it is it's a very bizarre season for the packers they're a seemingly a good team but they then have dropped these wild games um all right johnny you're the best we love you and uh have fun at creighton have fun at met life you're going to hartford on friday you're everywhere so hartford friday and then here we go mohegan sun saturday we got south florida brian hodgson has the american they could win the american it's them in memphis usf could win it they're Take it on George Washington.

2:19:38The Revolutionaries, they have a team that's dangerous. Watch out for George Washington and the Atlantic 10. A-10 could get a couple bids this year. In our second game, we have Providence and Virginia Tech. Both teams look like dark horses in their respective leagues, the Big East and the ACC. Then, guys, and I'm excited about this. I'm hopping in the car from Mohegan Sun. I'm driving to the studio. Saturday night we've got Notre Dame and Navy but you can bet your tail I'll have your game break updates and some stuff at the half and we'll have you covered on NBC for the Irish and Navy I love it, I love it, well John you're the best we love having you on and we'll talk soon and also next time if you're ever in Chicago again and you don't at least text I will be, he came here a couple weeks ago, not even a text I don't need you to come by I need you to text and just be like I'm around.

2:20:33If you get a layover at O 'Hare. Just text. Just send a text, a courtesy text. We're going to make it happen. Early gays without knowing anything, sir. I believe February I will be in the Chicago area. And you have my word. You won't just get a text. You may very well get a visit. Oh, yeah. And if we're on vacation, the second week of February, I'm going to cancel my vacation. Yeah, I will too. Cancel the vacation for you. I don't want you to do any of that. But I love you guys and love the show and appreciate our friendship. And you know what? Like, you guys do. We always have fun talking. Like, I freaking love.

2:21:14It's really been fun to jump into college football, and I love college sports. You can talk about all the chaos and all that stuff. That's the beauty in it. The beauty is sometimes in the disaster, and it's not a disaster to me. It's the best. So I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you. Thank you, John. Thanks, John. We'll talk to you later. Johnny Fanta was brought to you by McDonald's and their all-new Buffalo Ranch Sauce. The new Buffalo Ranch Sauce has arrived. It pairs perfectly with your snack wrap, your McCrispy sandwich, and McCrispy strips. It's got the tangy zang of buffalo with the creamy cool of mild ranch.

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2:22:31What the fuck? We got some breaking moves right now. Memes, Sauce Gardner has been traded to the Indianapolis Colts. Rap sheet reported it. Per Ian Rapport. Whoa. Damn. Memes? Thoughts? Wait, what? Oh, that's... Those are the thoughts. This is actually the start of a bad... Yeah. This is not going to be good. sauce just tweeted out new york it's been real oh man memes what are your thoughts i don't know so this is going to be at the end of the show during we're about to partner your takes you'll probably hear more you probably already heard good thoughts from memes this is just straight up we're recording we recorded part of the show at the beginning of the day this is as natural as go savage mode memes I don't know what are you going to say he's in shock I don't know you got to see the deal you got to see what you got back they had him signed until 2030 yeah so you might have gotten a haul for him great move by the Colts two first round picks

2:23:47that's a lot you got a lot for him two first round picks is a lot that's a rebuild doesn't he love golf too much he does love golf right theme of the day oh man two first round picks is good memes memes he's not even talking this wasn't even that just means everybody's available that's not good shut the fuck up yes memes that's good That's mean No he's right You do need to shut the fuck up I think this is good for the This is good for the rebuild dude Two first rounders memes You can do a lot with that What if you just collect All of the first rounders You could get You could get all of them The whole You get the whole first round Dude this is actually good for you You're not gonna be good For a couple years Right Right So now you can go so much defense, and you get a really good cornerback.

2:24:57That was fucked up. That was fucked up. Sorry. Memes, think about it this way. You got two first-round picks. That's a lot. That's a lot. That sounds like a good haul. Also, Sauce being on the Colts, there's a good chance that he can then defeat Hank's Patriots in the playoffs. For you. yeah also what if Daniel Jones becomes Daniel Jones again those picks could be really good picks now we're talking now we're talking now we're talking this out Big Cat's right we want the Colts to tank you just root for Daniel Jones to be Daniel Jones again either this year or next year and you could have a top 10 pick yep yeah this is this is sad okay yeah sorry well it sucks people heard memes explain it better at the beginning of the show you did do a better job you were a lot more i think there was a bigger argument there was a bigger argument okay um pardon your take part of your take the nfl has conspired with all kickers to suck for the falcons and they won't allow them to sign and Rodrigo Blankenship because he would put them over the top.

2:26:13Oh, that's the missing piece. Did Rodrigo write that? Yeah. I think he might have. I think he did. That's definitely, yeah. Agreed, Rodrigo. Thanks for listening to the show. We're big fans of you. We're huge fans. Come on the pod sometime. We'd love to have you on. Great take. That's the one. I think most people were like, hey, where's my Rodrigo take? There it is. The one thing the Falcons have been missing is Blankenship. We've been saying that. I do think that any kicker that wears that uniform, you have to overcome a lot. Either bring back Young Wei Ku, or I think they were going to sign Zane, right?

2:26:46Yeah. I think they were going to sign Zane. He's good. Have you seen his – he does a video every week, and it's like making this video until I get signed by another NFL team. And then he's like, I will be making the longest field goals of the week until somebody signs me. Oh, Zane does that? No, Rodrigo does that. So that's probably, if this isn't actually Rodrigo, it's somebody who's watching those videos. It's Rodrigo, dude. You know what I might do? I might do that same weekly video, the shortest field goal of the week. I'll make it every week. That's a guarantee. First try. What I might do is I might do a video of me watching Rodrigo do his video and then tell people to sign Rodrigo.

2:27:32Reacts. Yeah. A reaction video. What was the shortest field goal last week? Probably like 27 yards, 30 yards. Yeah. Yeah. You got that. Yeah. You just love things that are short. Oh. Damn, that was good. Wait. That's like. You love yourself. Oh, I love myself. You love yourself. Yeah. I love myself. We promote self-love. We do. What's that song? Hey. I love myself. I don't know that song. And I don't mean anybody else. I don't know I think memes wrote this one Hey Badger Cat, Duke PFT and Spartan Hank, comebacks are not as impressive I don't know what Spartan is I don't know where he became Michigan State but I like it Throughout the winding journey of this podcast I don't recall you ever being I think there was, yeah, he did do one thing My Big Ten journey Comebacks are not as impressive as everyone says they are It's the team that is down's fault that they are down Comebacks are just wins the same way that any other win is a win.

2:28:36Specifically, I hate the glazing over the Patriots coming back from down 28-3. It's Tom Brady's fault that they scored three points through almost three quarters. It's bogus as hell that he gets more credit when he's the one that put them in the spot. That is a take. That is a take. Talk about part of your take. Like, comebacks actually suck. Yeah. It was, I mean, it's like Brett Favre used to be down because he was playing bad, and then he would have a game-winning drive. It's like, holy shit. Well, yeah, he's kind of right. He did it again. You could have just played like you played in the fourth quarter in the first quarter.

2:29:07You never would have had to do it. The Broncos, 33 points in the fourth quarter. Is that impressive? Why not just score a few points in the first half and you don't have to score 33? By the same token, would you say that blowing a comeback actually isn't that bad because you got the lead in the first place? Yeah. You'd have to say both, right? So you'd have to say, like, Dan Quinn, great job in that Super Bowl. Awesome Super Bowl. He out-coached Bill Belichick. For a majority of the Super Bowl. Yeah. Over half the game. I think you'd have to... I do like to take, though. It's a good take. Weird take.

2:29:40Why the fuck don't two-point conversion stats count? I agree. If QB throws an interception on a two-point conversion, they should be dinged for an interception. I agree. Sacks, fumbles, etc. are quite possibly the dumbest shit ever, and it's right in front of our faces. That guy lost fantasy. But you do get credit. You do get credit. That guy had a receptions prop that didn't count. Yes. Because that is bullshit. I am a thousand percent on this guy's side. Yeah. It's meaningful into the game. That's like, that's more meaningful than like a random. You should count it. You should get a touchdown.

2:30:12Also, walks should count towards total bases. Yes. That's a crazy one. Although that would fuck with all of the other, like the juice on all of the. Okay, fine. But still. I sure he got on base nine times. I relearned that every single year in baseball, betting on baseball. Walks don't count. They don't. But I agree with this guy. There should be, it should fall in, it should be its own category. It should be two-point conversion. Yeah, but no, the reception should count. Yeah, the reception should count. I'm waiting for the one-point safety. Yeah. That would be awesome. All right, last one. Sup, boys?

2:30:48Why don't teams use a big boy as running back at the goal line anymore, i.e. the Bears using the fridge in the 85 Super Bowl? Hand the ball to your biggest guy and let them bulldoze defenders into the end zone. Speed. I agree. Listen, fullbacks, I love fullbacks, and I think that there's a place for them in the game. Patrick Ricard, Derek Henry's rushing yards went way up when he got back, although he did get – Ricard got pushed around a little bit this past weekend, but that's fine. He'll bounce back from it. But I agree. I think that – We tried, though. The Bears tried, and they fumbled. Doug Kramer.

2:31:17Yeah. There should be more big boys that get touchdowns right up the gut. There's no room in this league for a TJ Duckett anymore. Did you see what the Seahawks did on the kickoff against the Commanders? They put two 300-pounders and then immediately caused a fumble. Yeah. Just big guys running down the field. Yeah, who's the biggest guy we got? I guess Matlock. Desmond Watson. Yeah. Or whatever his name is. Is that his name? Desmond Watson. Is that his name? Talking about practice squad weight loss? Whoa. I mean, a guy that's running with a football. Yeah. Let him out there. Penesel would be an awesome back.

2:31:54He would be great. Yeah. Okay. Good show, boys. Oh, more breaking moves? Yeah. Live Golf is expanding to 72 hole tournaments starting next year. That did not. Wait. That did not warrant a breaking moves. I thought that there was a - Take the cow back. I thought there was NFL trade. Take the cow back. That did not warrant. And that also probably isn't even news. It was probably Hank's Live Golf Connect texted him. It just broke. Hey, I'm going to give you a thousand bucks. Can you pretend it's breaking news? I don't think that counts as news. No. Take the cow back. Do the breaking moves down and then we'll reverse it.

2:32:33No, he knows how to reverse it. He's reversed it before. That's breaking news. Reverse the cow. Do it. Reverse the cow. Who are the four aces? Actually, that was better. That was better. Who are the four aces? No, we're not talking news. We're not talking news.

2:32:52also isn't live it's roman numerals for 54 are they gonna change the name i don't know okay we're not talking about it move on move on move on move on hey scott is there we can't talk about it what's 72 in roman yeah no it's interesting storyline that's just broke on the internet but yeah god forbid interesting storyline what's next you're gonna wear they're We're going to wear pants now. LXXII. That sounds good. Lexi. Yeah. The new golf league. Okay. Let's finish up with our lottery ball. Today's lottery ball segment is brought to you by Jack Pocket, America's number one lottery app. With Jack Pocket, you can order official lottery tickets right from your phone.

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2:34:04and 12-31-25 at 11-59 p.m. Eastern. Terms at jkpt.co slash draw5. Sponsored by JackPocket. Based on 2025 iOS download data collected by Sensor Tower. Numbers. Three. One for Sauce Gardener. Oh, man, he's mad. That was mean what you did. I mean, he was mean to me. Yeah, you're right. Better not leave your keys out. Oh, what is that supposed to mean? What? Fill your car up with jelly beans. He's going to steal your car? I'm giving you full permission to do that as a PMTV. I'll take my car back. Well, I'll take my car back. You can't do that.

2:34:46You made... What did you sell? I made a dollar. I have$2. That's bullshit. I'm 100 % profit. You got to sell it to Zach and XMemes for$3. Just keep passing around the car. All right, what's everyone's number? I have one. That's also not true because Hank gave him$2 ,000 a day. $2 ,500. Oh, you still haven't gotten it fixed, right? No. So I sold Hank my old car for$1. He got... Did I get in the car accident? No, I literally... The week before I gave it to memes, I fucking backed into a pole in my garage. And then you gave it to memes and you said, here's$2 ,000 to fix it, and it's still not fixed.

2:35:21Yeah. That was what, four years ago? Three, yeah. Three years ago. Yeah, but I put a lot of money into it. Hank gave me it without oil. That's a lot of money. That's got to be worth$25. Probably not true. No, it's very true. The guy was like, this is black. Did some damage to the inside. Memes, I'm seeing... That was probably Big Cap. That was not Big Cap because I changed my oil religiously. Same. No, you didn't. Memes, I'm seeing a lot of positive reaction for this trade. Yeah, it's good. Everyone's saying, good job, Jets. What's your number, everyone? Say your number. 77. 39. 44. Memes, you have to say a number.

2:36:00Thinking. 99. You want it? 55. You can do two for two first round picks. Yeah. 23. We'll do one more? And we'll do 23. We'll do one more. Everyone say your number again. One. Eight. 55. What did you say? Memes. I said three. Memes, you changed your number just now. I didn't have a number. Oh, you didn't? Yeah, he never had it. That one didn't count. No. Okay, so we got to do. No, well, it counted. Counts as a pick for Meems. You got to reset. No pick. No pick counts as a pick. Oh, what's that one? Three. No, it's 34. All right, Meems, what is your number? Eight. Okay. Why eight? Everyone else has their number.

2:36:50It says it right there. You're going the Zach method? Yeah, eight for PFT. Seven, Zach.

2:37:02Oh, so close, Memes. Six. It looks a lot like that. Six. You should have picked six. Damn, that's the one I went on. Shit. You want to do one more, Memes? It says eight right there. No. Let's do one more. We'll do one more. Everyone's got to keep their numbers. What is their numbers? I'm one. Fifty-five. Seventy-seven. Memes is eight. Yep. I actually might be rooting for Memes right now. It'd be awesome.

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