NFL Week 13 Recap, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bears Smash The Eagles, Chiefs On The Ropes, Surging Texans + Lane Kiffin Drama And Rivalry Week

29:35Because I just – looking at it, it's not like a slight on the Colts. It's just that if the Chiefs can run the table, the Colts are going to be in trouble because they would have to go 4-1 to beat them out for that spot. I'll say it. I think they're done. I can be the Little E next to their name. Okay. Yeah. You're Little E. Little E. You're Little E. Yeah. Listen, I don't think that the Chiefs are a bad football team right now. I think that they're much better than they were at the start of the season. But I just don't see them winning every game from here on out. Ten penalties for 119 yards. It's just every Chiefs loss, you're just like, what is going on here?

30:13Yeah. The games and the drops and weird – and like Mahomes, again, he played well, but there was like a couple plays that he missed a guy, and you're like, what is that? Yeah, and Dak Prescott did a great job improvising on broken down plays too. But still, George Pickens, he was just running slants all day. He's the best. All day. He's so good. Cowboys are scary. Their offense is scary. Like CeeDee Lamb had a great game too. When you have both those guys playing good, you're not going to be able to stop that Cowboys offense. And C.D. Lamb was just getting, I feel like he had, how many pass interferences were called against him?

30:45Those should count for receiving yards. I agree. And passing yards. Yeah. Because it felt like every time he was, he had a few of them. I'm looking it up. Combined, they had 13 catches for 200 receiving yards and one touchdown. And George Pickens caught five of seven targets for 85 yards when covered by Jalen. He's so fucking good, man. He's so good. Yeah, CeeDee Lamb was – they just have dudes everywhere. And they even had – I mean, Jake Ferguson's awesome. Yeah. Their run game's awesome. And Dak is playing at MVP level. Dak is my official pick for he will not win the MVP, but a lot of people will say in the next month he should be in the conversation for MVP.

31:32So he wins that award. He wins the award for being in the conversation for MVP. Which is a good conversation to be in. Right. He's not going to win it, but there's going to be many people who are like, you know who should be in the conversation? Dak Prescott. Can we actually make a graphic for him? He wins that award. He officially wins. He will have that said about him the most. Who are the nominees for a conversation? I would say Miles Garrett. Yep. And Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott. JSN. JSN, although, yeah, didn't have a huge game today. He's probably not going to break the record. Yeah. But, yeah, and I think Dak Prescott wins the award for most times, said you know who should be in the conversation.

32:10Okay, next one. Bengals, 32, Ravens, 14. They forgot about Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, he looked great. But more importantly, the Bengals' defense. I don't know. Do we call them opportunistic? Well, the Isaiah Likely fumble was pretty significant. But that was also a great play that they made. Definitely. And I like that rule. I don't know why he reached out. I know that everybody says whenever it happens, it's the worst rule in sports. I hate this rule. I like the forced touchback rule. If you play through the 99th yard of the football field, every other rule out there is generated to favor the offense.

32:43This is the one rule that the defenses have. And the plane of the goal line is where all other rules on a football field cease to exist. So just because it goes through the end zone, people are like, that's the only place where it's a turbo. I don't care. It's in the end zone. It's different. That said, I'm glad they didn't call it in the Ohio State-Michigan game because that one didn't feel like it. I still don't even understand it. That one didn't feel like it was a fumble. Right. This was a great play that the defense made. Lamar has some of the dumbest fumbles of all time, and so he contributed to that too.

33:13He looks off. He looks off. He doesn't look – well, I can't even chalk his fumbles up to him being hurt. He just looked like he – Yeah, he just looks a little off. Yeah, like his fingers were fat or something. Yeah, he did reply to someone I saw. I think it was Saturday. Someone was like, Lamar has got to be the most overrated guy in the NFL, and he just said, say less. so he's seeing it yeah the isaiah likely though i don't know why you reach out there he there's just no reason to and we've seen a million times it was also like it wasn't a diving reach out it was just he was standing upright and extended the ball away from his body and that's when it got hit out yeah but yeah the the the bangles defense is playing well opportunistic joe burrow being back turns out he does matter a lot as much as we love joe flacco there's a pretty big difference between Joe Burrow and 40-year-old Joe Flacco.

34:05What's the movie, Hank, with the totem that you spin? Inception. And what was the totem supposed to be? It was like, you know you're in... You know you're not dreaming. Okay. I feel like the inception totem for NFL fans the last three years is someone tweeting, don't let the Bengals in the playoffs, and then we won't. Yeah. I saw it on Thursday. I'm like, don't let these Bengals in the playoffs. Okay. We probably won't. We say, okay, thanks for the heads up. I agree. They're scary if Joe Burrow gets the playoffs, but they won't. It makes you wonder what would happen if the Bengals ever got in the playoffs.

34:41They're the number one don't let them in the playoffs team three years running. It's like aliens telling us not to do that. Yeah. That's when the world will come to an end if they make it back. It's just every year around this time. Do not let the Bengals in the playoffs. Okay, we won't. I would put the Bengals in the broken but putting it back together category. Yeah. I would put the Ravens in the broken, but it just fell apart category. Yeah. And I've never seen players enjoy the post-game Thanksgiving meal like I saw the Bengals enjoy the post-game Thanksgiving meal out on the field. They actually ate all of it.

35:13I think they ate the entire turkey. They had all the sides. They had some crabs that people were just gnawing on on the football field. It was cool to see them that happy. I think Evan McPherson walked away with an entire tray of mashed potatoes. Yeah. They were very, very happy. And listen, they do play the Ravens again. They have a very big game against the Bills coming up. That's their – Bills and Ravens are their hardest two games, and they're coming up in the next two weeks. So if they win those two games, it will definitely get a lot of – the AFC North is kind of a bummer this year. Big time bummer.

35:45It's the bummer division. Nobody wants to win it. It's very odd to look at because usually the AFC North is two to three really, really good teams fighting it out, and now it's, you know, the Ravens had all this momentum. They lose to the Bengals. The Steelers look very sad. It's just a bummer. If you were to say, like, which team do you not want to play right now in the AFC North? Bengals. Bengals. Don't let them get in the playoffs. The Bengals. Well, I wouldn't want to play the Browns because they might hurt somebody on our offense. Yeah. Even, like, as we kick their ass. But, yeah, the Bengals would be the team.

36:20I mean, I know that it's recency bias, but they have turned it around defensively in the last three games, and Joe Burrow's back. Yeah. And I don't know. I can't make the Ravens even in their five-game winning streak. I mean, Stavi said it on Wednesday. They still don't look like they're dominating teams. They're not doing it in an impressive fashion. Stavi, we tried. We got you on when you were feeling pretty good about yourself. The Ravens were back. I don't know. I don't know. Stavi had a good Greek Thanksgiving, though, because the Chiefs-Cowboys game, that was like lamb-rice. Lamb-rice. Lamb-rice.

36:55He was probably pretty psyched about that. Yes. But, yeah, the Bengals, don't let them in the playoffs. You scared of the Bengals? No. Updated who you're scared of. I don't even know who. Oh, no. Nobody. Nobody. Yourselves. It's Chiefs and Bills. I have respect. I have respect for good quarterbacks and teams that have gotten there. And Ravens, too, I guess. That's mean. That's very mean. They've got to answer what? You just said, I have respect for teams like the Bills, the Chiefs, with good quarterbacks that have gotten there, and the Ravens. Well, the Ravens and Bills are the same thing. They haven't made it to the championship.

37:38Super, yeah. Good teams with experience, MVP-level quarterbacking, that's what you don't want to face in the playoffs. Are you afraid of the Chargers? No. Are you afraid of the Jaguars? Texans? Yeah. They're a little scary. Texans are a little scary. We'll talk about them in a little bit, but the way they're playing defensively is scary. They have momentum, and obviously there's a long way to go before the playoffs, but the Texans have momentum. Are you afraid of Doddington Bones? No. Oh, you're the number one Doddington Bones guy. They're about to lose to the commanders. Okay, we're recording this before the game starts.

38:15They're not going to lose. The commanders are going to beat them in the first half, I think. And the Broncos are going to win by 14 points. This would be a good prediction. It came true. I know my team pretty well. Manders' first half. Manders' first half. I took it. Broncos' game. I took it. Okay, before we do Black Friday and then get to Sunday's games, DraftKings, one touchdown could change everything, the crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. feel that same rush with DraftKings Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL where every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in with DraftKings Sportsbook all the actions in your hands first touchdown anytime TD live bets every play, every snap, every game matters Missouri listeners listen up DraftKings Sportsbook is now live in the show me state here's the best part new customers bet just$5 and if your bet wins you'll get$200 in bonus bets instantly when your team hits the end zone you can hit the payout download the DraftKings Sportsbook app Use code TAKE.

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39:47For additional terms and responsible gaming resources see dkng.co slash audio. Limited time offer. Okay, Black Friday. Bears 24, Eagles 15. How do you want to do this, Max? You start. Okay, I'll start. That's actually better. I'll start. I'll talk exclusively about the Bears because I don't I want to hear what you have to say about the Eagles, but I don't it doesn't, like I want to hear hear what you have to say about the Eagles because I was more just pumped about the Bears. That was the biggest Bears win since Sunday Night Football 2018 when the Rams came to town and they absolutely throttled that Rams offense that was like the greatest thing, ended up going to the Super Bowl.

40:26It was awesome. They absolutely man-footballed the Philadelphia Eagles. They ran for 281 yards. Monongah and DeAndre Swift both had over 120 yards. It's the first time in franchise history. The two guys went over 120 yards. They had 177 yards after contact. The defense looked good. The defense is getting healthy. Jalen Johnson, Kyler Gordon are back. Nashawn Wright might have hacked the tush push. Well, yeah. Jalen Hurts said that the tush push is getting harder and harder to pull off. Just go in from the side and take the ball from him. It was such a fun watch. It's the first – clinched the first winning season since 2018.

41:09So the Bears obviously with their ninth win cannot have a losing season this year. Ben Johnson taking off his shirt after the game. Free hot dogs at Wiener's Circle on Tuesday. Everything about this team is just fun. It's just fun. Caleb Williams throwing that absolute dot after they just pounded and pounded and pounded the Eagles. And then they're like, oh, look, we're going to do a little – we're going to slip Cole Komet here into the end zone and throw one over the top. It was just awesome. Ben Johnson might have his Montgomery and Gibbs. Yep. He's got two-headed monster. And so I do owe an apology to Ryan Pouls.

41:42I've been critical of Ryan Pouls at times. I don't know where our friendship lies right now because we haven't talked in a long time. But we did have somewhat of a friendship before that. What he did with this offensive line in the offseason is insane because the Bears have a true identity. They just, that wasn't a one, a one-off. Oh my God, they just figured out how to run the ball one game. So the stat that that's pretty crazy is the bears had 28 runs against the Eagles of four plus yards. That's the most in the game in the NFL this season. The second most is the bears against the Bengals when they had 26 four plus yard runs.

42:21They have an identity. They can fucking smash guys like through four quarters. and that into the interior of the offensive line which is was all free agency has been absolute monsters and it's awesome to watch and so ryan poles deserves a ton of credit and manung guy a draft a draft where everyone every bears fan was sitting there on draft night being like we need to get a running back we need to get a running back and every time we tried to get a running back he got taken right before the bears pick we get manung guy in the seventh round and he's just a fucking monster so it's awesome it's so much fun to watch this team is is good and they proved it going into philadelphia beating the super bowl champs at home and not just beating them like like beating them that wasn't just that we beat the fuck out of belt a signature win for ben johnson so far yes i'm just gonna say this don't don't let the chicago bears get a home playoff game because you might not one seed right now you might not like what you see and what you have to deal with in bare weather yeah you know what i can run the ball that that offense that offense travels to january and and and dennis allen has done an incredible job with this defense and now that they're getting healthy it's like the strength of the defense is going to be the cornerback the secondary the pass rush is still you know it's not an elite pass rush we don't our linebackers still hurt but you now have guys like nashon wright wasn't going to be a you know playing like tons of meaningful minute but then he ends up playing because kyler gordon and jalen johnson get hurt and then cj gardner johnson gets signed and like so now they have depth at this position that was a weakness and they're taking the ball away and they're just they have an identity it's culture it's it's it was crazy watching on i know it wasn't thanksgiving day it was black friday but thinking about a year prior for the bears in detroit the matt eber flooce doesn't know how to use timeouts game and he gets fired on black friday the next day and thinking about how it's been one year and ben johnson has turned this whole thing around to a point where the bears are a legitimately good team and they can play with anyone are you thinking soupy okay so here's i knew you were gonna ask that question you have to think soupy no the answer is yes no i'm not here's why you have to think so can you let me answer the question number number one can you let me answer the question can you let me answer the question Can you just pull up the seed?

44:46Can you let me answer the question? Yeah. Bears are the one seed. It's Packers week. You have to go to Lambeau and beat the Packers. Because if you don't beat the Packers, it's going to be like, well, it's the same old thing. If it wasn't Packers week, I probably would be sitting here saying I'm thinking Soupy, but it's Packers. No, but you can split with the Packers. You have to go to Lambeau and beat the Packers. Because the Packers, all their fans are like, it's cute that you're the one seed right now. We're going to kick the shit out of you in Lambeau. It's going to be same old Bears. My focus is on the Packers.

45:13after next Sunday, when we're sitting here next Sunday night, if the Bears beat the Packers, then yes. That will absolutely be a thought in my head. I'll say it. But you have to beat the Packers. The fact that this is all happening, the Bears have their first winning season, their biggest win in seven years, and it's all leading up to going to Lambeau. I see the trap. That's why I got to stay focused. Okay. For everybody, I'm going to put Big Cat down as a no. Not yet. Everyone else. Packers week. Who here is thinking Soupy for the Bears? I'm thinking Soupy for the Bears. One, me, Hank, yes. I agree.

45:51You got to beat the Packers. It's got to beat the Packers. You have to beat the Packers. If you win this week, then it's Soupy. If this was Browns this week, I would probably be like being – I would be a little more like, oh, yeah, it's Soupy. It's Packers. You have to beat the Packers. I outsource all my Soupy takes to Hank. Hank, he's got documented winning. That just popped out of the size. Me just popped out. Yeah. It's Packers week, though. You got to beat the Packers. And at Lambeau, it's a great test. Because this is exactly what Packers fans want, is every Bears fan being like, we're thinking Super Bowl.

46:22Correct. You can lose the Packers and still go to the Super Bowl. I understand. But this is how we play against the Packers. You're positioning yourself. I'll say this. I'm not scared of any team. There's no team in the NFC that I'm like, this team is significantly better than the Bears. But you have to beat the Packers. Packers fans have to be pumped that you beat the Eagles, though. Yeah, coming off a big win. He's probably excited about that. Coming off a big win. Max, you sure you don't want to change your mind to you are thinking soupy for the Bears? I appreciate you having my back, Max. You've got to beat the Packers.

46:51Why would I? No. Zach, are you sure you don't want to change your mind? He's got the Bucs. I like the thought process there. It does make sense. So that's a yes from Zach. That's a classic Zach not answer. That's a Zach not answer. Zach, do the Bears have to beat the Packers? That was not fence-sitting whatsoever. whoever, you don't have to beat them to still go to the Super Bowl, but you'll be in a great headspace if you go into Lambeau, beat the Packers, and then go to the Super Bowl. Because I'm saying right now we're at a 3-3 tie on this podcast. If Zach flipped his vote, then we could put out a graphic that said, we're thinking Soupy, that's part of my tip.

47:25Zach, do not. If you're going to go to the Super Bowl. As a podcast, we'd be thinking Soupy. If you're going to be a Super Bowl champion team and a championship DVD, maybe a loss at Lambeau is the thing that starts it. Good point, Hank. I knew this was coming. I'm thinking about the Packers. We're trying to guess. I know you are. I know you are. But I literally, after the win on Friday, I was so happy. I was just consuming every piece of content I could. And then I woke up Saturday morning. I was like, Packer week. It starts now. Because they got, you know what? The Packers got an extra day, too.

47:55They started an extra day. A good loss to the Packers can be productive. No, because the NFC playoff picture is pretty insane. Obviously, the Bears being one seed right now is awesome. and I've looked at it a million times, but there are how many teams? There are five teams. Every single team has the same record. Yeah. There's four teams with three losses, and the Niners have four losses, and we play the Niners in a few weeks. It's insane. This thing is so fluid. It's awesome, but you can't. If you take a victory lap right now, you're setting yourself up for heartbreak. If I'm not allowed to be positive, can I ask a crazy question?

48:36Hank, I'm going to give you permission to be positive. I don't know the answer to it. Yeah. Is there, can the Bears not make the playoffs? Yeah. I was just about to say that out of all, according to the playoff probability, out of all the teams currently in the playoffs, the Bears currently have the least, are the least likely to make the playoffs. We're the one seed and we have the lowest odds out of everyone. Everyone else is like 80 or 90 percent. The Bears are 76 percent. Yeah. If the Bears don't make the playoffs, it's a devastation. because I said that if you get to nine wins, I said if you beat the Eagles, you have to make the playoffs.

49:10I think you can lose to the Packers this week. You get the opportunity to avenge that loss to the Packers. In two weeks. Play them two times in three weeks. Build momentum. Then we're thinking Soupy. Listen, these are great. I never thought that a year after Iberflues, like to the day almost, that we would even be having this conversation because you thought, hey, Ben Johnson, awesome hire. You don't know what's going to happen with Caleb. You don't know what's going to happen with the team. Are they like a couple years? They're good right now. Ben Johnson, I would die for Ben Johnson. I'd leave my wife for Ben Johnson.

49:40I know he probably doesn't like that, but it's the truth. Your wife probably doesn't like it either. Well, no, she probably would understand. Think of the dual income me and Ben Johnson would have. We'd buy a nice house. He's got a great body. Dude, he's ripped. He's ripped. He's so fucking ripped. I don't necessarily trust a coach that's that ripped. I do. I have a take. why is that i have a i have a scary team i'm down with ripped jacked coaches alpha man you guys want you have you have a guy oh yeah coach who's jacked up but he's but he's not like i guarantee if you took mike vrabel's shirt off he doesn't have a six-pack nobody's fucking he's jacked yeah all right i have a takes because yeah i know you i'm not giving you guys what you want and saying that i'm thinking soupy but i will give you something else a take that will possibly blow up in my face somewhere down the line if you'd like who is the alpha in detroit was Ben Johnson or Dan Campbell Ben Johnson can fucking run the football Ben Johnson is jacked Ben Johnson's a culture builder who do you think would win in a fight I'm just saying Ben Johnson is a dude Dan Campbell okay but I'm just saying like the violence the aggression the way they the offensive like a violence that he imposes on other teams was that Dan Campbell or was that Ben Johnson it's a question chicken or the egg combination probably a combination probably fair to say a combination but Dan but but the way Ben Johnson has his football team believing is fucking crazy I've got a very important question for this podcast yeah and it's really it's directed to Max yeah we let's talk about the Eagle yeah Max it's a it's a simple question but I feel like there's nuance to your answer are the Eagles good Max I got a follow-up question You were at the game.

51:29Yep. How much did you boo? I was partaking in booing, but it was more a lot of silence. They also just kept putting me on the Jumbotron. Really? They put me on the Jumbotron three times. Really? Yeah. We are. They kept you off the game broadcast. What? They kept you off the prime video feed. Well, yeah, that's fine. Because from watching it, outside of the big takeaway being the Bears were just manhandling the Eagles, it was the anger that Philadelphia had. It was an entire afternoon of just shots of Eagles fans booing, fingers, everything. There was that one guy that had the weird sideburns, and they kept showing him at the perfect time, and just booing the most clearly enunciated boo with the thumbs down that he was giving.

52:20The double luchador mascot. I was doing more thumbs down than booing. The thumbs down I was enjoying. So walk us through the day. You were pretty pumped for this game. Everyone was. It was the most expensive ticket of the year in Philly. Everyone's home for Thanksgiving. Three o 'clock start, nice cold weather, great tailgating football weather. The stadium was absolutely packed before the game. Everyone I possibly knew was going to the tailgate. just because it was such a good tailgating day, but they couldn't get into the game because it was such a hot ticket. Yeah. It was such a good shout-out game time for getting me in.

53:01Well, I got a question for you, Max. Is there anyone you tailgated with that you owe an apology to? Are you talking about Diana? I would be talking about Journalist of the Year, Diana Rossini. I never said – no, I do not apologize. Max. I never said that what she said was wrong. You can go back and listen to everything I said. I said I just don't want to read it. I just said I'm opting out of partaking in any of her reports. Max, you probably got a lot of people that are now thinking of you as being a Rossini by proximity. It's like her hatred for the Eagles rubbed off on you. You kind of endorsed her by hanging out with her.

53:40There's probably some Eagles fans. Her husband is such a beast. He's the best. Kevin is the best. He is essentially Max. He's Max. That's what Max texted us before the game. He's like, I fucking love Diana's husband. So Diana and her husband came over to our tailgate to come say hello, and I only talked to her husband. I talked to Diana for maybe like 30 seconds. Took a picture. And then like 20 minutes with her husband just talking birds, talking about Diana's reporting. Yeah. A lot of talking about Diana's reporting. Yeah, no.

54:15I didn't post that picture that I took with Diana for that reason. Because if it came out, it would look bad on me. But obviously. Well, she did. It did come out. Yeah. She posted it. Wait, so you. Thank God you didn't post it. So you said, I'm not going to post this picture of us. And nobody will know. Well, yeah, I didn't post it yet. Whose phone was the picture taken on? I think mine. I think mine. But then you sent it to her and she posted it. Yeah. So you're a source now. It was mine, yeah. You're a source now for Diana Rossini. You're a Diana Rossini. So any of the bad Eagles stuff, it could be Max.

54:51Thank God that picture didn't get out there. So, Max, what are the Eagles? I don't know. They suck, but every team sucks right now. Every team. The NFL is just not good. I don't understand it. But what's going on in Philly is insane. They went from. They brought back their entire offense last year. They lost one guy. They lost Mekhi Becton, their right guard. Arguably the fifth Best offensive lineman On the roster last year Maybe the best player on the team They also lost Kellen Moore Yes Kevin Petullo Kevin Petullo Great guy He's done I don't know because Sirianni's got his back I understand Nothing will change for the rest of the year Unless Jeffrey Lurie or Howie Roseman Get involved and they're like Like, Nick, you have no choice.

55:50Like, we can't keep going with Petulo. We've given him chance and chance and chance and chance again to make a single adjustment, and not one thing has changed. I am sick of turning on ESPN, and every single person is just looking at everything the Eagles offense is doing, and all of them are making adjustments. Why can't we make an adjustment? Why do we just keep doing the same fucking thing over and over and over and over again? It's not working. It's bad. We have guys laughing at us on the opposing team after the game when they're asked, did you know what the Eagles are going to run? Every team knows what the Eagles are going to run because we just run the simplest offense in the world.

56:35How is every other person in football recognizing what is going on to this offense except for Kevin Batullo and Nick Sirianni themselves to make a fucking change? Nothing is changing. Make a fucking change. I'm going to say two words. Chip Kelly? Bring him back? Anything. I would take anything. Anything besides Kevin Petula? Anything. I would take anything. Any sort of change would be incredible. Do you think you'll bring in an advisor? I would take anything. I love it when teams do that. When they're like, hey, we're going to bring in special advisor, but you're going to report to him. Because this is now...

57:16Well, who? It's the 24th offense in the league. 2023. Who was your coordinator? Brian Johnson. That's right. So, so two times. So Nick Sirianni, he had a Super Bowl worthy team when he had Shane Steichen, right? Then he Shane Steichen leaves and he hires from within. Correct. Fall off a cliff. Correct. Then they get Kellen Moore outside. Then Kellen Moore leaves. They hire from within disaster. So it's like literally the same thing that happened two years ago where he hires his own guy and that's shown not to work. Yes. Precisely correct. You know, it would be very funny if, I mean, Lane Kiffin doesn't have anything to do on weekends right now.

58:00It's true. Just bring him in on Sundays. Interim OC? Yeah, kind of. Kind of? But not really because he's got a job. I think you guys are on an advisor watch. I guarantee you nothing will change. Unless, oh, that was the other thing. I was sitting right in front of the Jeffrey Lurie suite. People just kept turning around and yelling at him, which is insane. Yeah. Because Jeffrey Lurie is, like, one of the best owners in all of sports. But most of them were just like, you need to do something about Kevin Petula. I do love, like, there was a lot of chatter about, I can't believe Philly fans, they just won the Super Bowl.

58:37They're 8-3 before this game. They're booing their team. But that's Philly. That will always be Philly. That's kind of what I love about Phillies. They just don't. They'll just. It's what have you done for me literally the last five minutes. Yeah. And to Phillies credit, you guys were pretty transparent about that after you won the Super Bowl. Right. Like you even said maybe week three. We might. AJ Brown said it. Yeah. We might have to deal with that. Max, when it comes to the Jalen Hurts and the discourse with him and Kevin Petullo, how much of it do you think is Jalen Hurts being like, I'm uncomfortable making these specific types of throws.

59:12can you please not put any of those in the playbook versus how much is on Kevin Petulo being like, we're going to run this offense regardless of what Jalen hurts is telling me to do. I don't know how to answer that question, but Jalen hurts has looked much better with other offensive coordinators. So that's all I have to say about that. I thought it was great that he threw a pick. I think that's good for, for Jalen hurts. That was a bad pick. Yeah, but at least he threw a ball. What a fuck. At least he took a shot. Kevin Byard, another shout-out, Ryan Pouls. Kevin Byard. Max, how much time he got left on Hurts' contract?

59:49Oh, boy. A lot of people are upset that Philly fans are blaming Kevin Petullo and not Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has looked very bad. Jalen Hurts has also won a Super Bowl and has looked very good for the Eagles. that is why Jalen Hurts will have a much longer leash to me than Kevin Petula because he has done nothing. Yes, Hank. How much time does he have left on his contract? Good question, Hank. I don't know, three more years? Four more years? That's a good question that Hank just asked. But I thought, wait, Big Cat has a question. Yep. Actually, no, my question is not about Jalen Hurts. It is a small sample size question.

1:00:30Follow-up question, Max. If you want a small sample size question, I was going to ask you. It is about, mine is about Jalen Hurts. you get to choose four more years four more years Max I don't know how fucking contracts work maybe three potential out after 2020 I don't know yes okay I was just going to drill down on this contract a little bit more but it looks like you answered that but you were also thinking about that over the weekend though right Did you just listen to what I just said? I gave you four different answers. You said some Philly fans were. Would you put yourself in that category of some Philly fans?

1:01:05No. I said that in my section. You go to an Eagles game and just being around Eagles fans is awesome. You just get all different groups of human that have ten different opinions but all will agree that, like, the Eagles suck. Like, I just heard, like, five fights about whether Jalen Hurts is good, what to do with the offense, what to do with the defense. But then at the end of the day, it's like, I disagree, I disagree, but the Eagles suck. And then it's like, yeah, the Eagles suck. Big Cat, you had a question for Max? Well, it's a small sample size. This is one game. You can't take a lot. Well, it's more than one game, but it's one game, so I'm not going to ask it.

1:01:46I think you should. Okay. We can learn a lot from one game. You obviously, Lane Johnson, you miss Lane Johnson. He's a Hall of Famer. I mean, the record with him. Yeah, it's insane. But the offense had struggles even before Lane left. I mean, and the defensive line just didn't show up. Well, that was kind of my question is, would you rather have Darnell Wright or Jalen Carter right now? At this very minute? Shout out Ryan Poles again. What a pick. Darnell Wright had Jalen Carter in hell. Yeah, he did. He had him in hell. Jalen Carter, it's a small sample size. It's small. That's what I said. It's small sample size.

1:02:23We're not even going to do small sample size. Darnell Wright played much better than Jalen Carter in this game. In the small sample. Darnell Wright's been very, very good. He's been a monster. He's, I mean, the offensive line. It's like Ryan Poles fixed the offensive line in one year. It's crazy. Good point by me. Jalen Carter won a Super Bowl. That's true. Great point by me. Good point by me. Good point. Max, just respond to this statement in any way that you see fit. I like this. A.J. Brown was right about everything. No. What does that mean? That's a good response. Actually, that is wrong. That is actually exactly wrong because A.J.

1:02:59Brown said, I need to get the ball more for us to win, and now he gets the ball more and we lose. Oh, I think A.J. Brown also had things to say about it. What do you have to say about that, fuckface? That's what he said. He said, give me the fucking ball. See what happens when we get the ball. He got the ball. Now they fucking suck. So A.J. Brown, really good. A.J. Brown has said a lot of things over the course of the last couple years. What do you have to say? Venting his frustrations with the lack of creativity on the offense as a whole. A.J. Brown also said it's not about me catching balls.

1:03:32It's about the team winning. He was on camera saying this is what happens when you give me the ball. He wanted the fucking football. Is the season – where are you at with the season? No, because the NFL sucks. So it should be. The Eagles are bad, but somehow they've won enough football games as a bad team to still be in a position to get right. And they've beaten some good teams. No, nobody's good. There are no good teams. The Bears and the Patriots are good. The Rams. Thank you. Are the Rams good? I don't know. I guess we'll find out about the Broncos in a minute. Everyone thought the Rams were good.

1:04:08They just lost to the fucking Panthers. Hey, the Panthers, watch out. Are the Panthers good? Maybe. That's what I'm saying. Everyone's maybe good. This is like you just playing just all big games. It's big game. Big game, Max. Black pride day. For a reason. Max, do you think that Saquon. Who you got next week? By the way, the charger, Ian Rapport. He's big game, Max. Monday Night Football, big game, Max. Ian Rapport did just report that Justin Herbert has a broken bone in his left hand and will get surgery. So unclear if he'll miss time. So Trey Lance could be. If we lose to Trey Lance, I will not be watching the rest of the season.

1:04:51You're out? I mean, I will watch, but I will not like watching. Max, do you think that Saquon... Do you like watching right now? Nope. Do you think that Saquon Barkley is going to cross? So fucking bad tomorrow night. What did I do? Do you think he's going to pass the Che threshold? To go over 1 ,003 yards for only the fifth time in his career? Yeah, no, that's another problem. Saquon has been bad. The offensive line is the biggest problem right now. The offensive line can do nothing. Okay, rank. I mean, everything's the biggest problem. Kevin Petullo's number one biggest problem. Yeah, rank your problems because I thought it was Petullo.

1:05:30Petullo's number one biggest problem. But I want to say that I don't fucking know. I don't know. Again, I don't understand football. Can Kevin Pachullo be a reason why we can't run the football this year? Are we not designing runs well enough for our offensive line to succeed? Why can't we run the football this year? It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me. It's the same fucking team. It's the highest paid offense in the league, and they suck. Are you worried about your defense? The defense, I have to just say that that was... Sometimes you have bad games. The defense has been good enough that they have a little bit of leeway, but they were fucking horrendous.

1:06:13And the Bears can run the ball. They shouldn't be able to run that well against our defense. This is why the emergency pod, as much as I want to do it, it really didn't feel like Max and I were playing against each other because I was just so happy about the Bears, and he's so mad at the Eagles that it wasn't like cross teams. We didn't talk shit. You sent me a text being like, good game. I was like, good game. How much did you boo? And then you never replied. Yeah, I didn't want to talk too much about the game. Yeah, but I just wanted to know how much you booed. The whole time they were booing, I was like, Max must be booing his face off.

1:06:48There were some boos. Give us one boo. No. Come on. No, no. Okay. Let's hear that. You had a thumbs down? Did you do double thumbs down? Probably. It was so cold. It was so cold. Have you gone back and watched the game like the TV broadcast? No, fuck no. No, literally never. Why would I go back and watch that? We could do, if enough people buy our new hats on the Barstool Sports Store 20 % off, maybe we could watch it together. Do a stream, man. I'd be dead for that. A rewatch? A rewatchables? Yeah, I like that. That's just not how this goes. You'd learn a lot watching it. That's just not how this goes.

1:07:25I mean, A.J. Brown was really good. You probably didn't get to see, like, you know, you get to watch more of him. That's just not how this goes. Wait, so at what point in the game were you on the Jumbotron? Was it, like, the first time you were excited and then the second and third time? the game they were losing and you were just like it was it was twice there was it was one time when i just had a straight face of like nothingness did you get a pop uh no and then the second and then the second time it was uh it was right after they made it 10 to 10 to 9 not not 10 to 10 i thought it was going to be the tie of the game but they did not tie the game oh so at that point i was i was excited should we talk at all about the two-point conversion i don't really care i think I don't care.

1:08:07I'm sick of people being upset about that. It's actually – I actually understand both sides. I know that's a cop-out, but the whole – so for people who didn't see the game or don't remember the moment, it's the Eagles are down – what were they, down nine? And they go for two, down nine to try to cut it to seven. Do I have it right? Yeah. I have that right. Right? They were down nine. They were down nine, and they go for two. And it was like, whatever, however many minutes left in the fourth quarter, there's only a couple possessions left. The argument is when they go for two, down nine, and they don't get it, the whole team deflates because now it's a two-score game versus kicking the extra point and waiting until the end of the game if you score again to then go for two and then try to tie the game.

1:08:54I see both sides of this argument. I think there is a human element that analytics kind of ignores sometimes where it's like, is it deflating? Yes. Greg Olson actually is very much in the side of going for two early because the argument is if you go for two early, you find out what you need for the rest of the game and you can have a chance to do an onside kick and figure out what you're going to actually need versus if you wait to go for two at the end of the game and you don't get it, game's over. But yeah, I think it's like all feel. I wouldn't. You think you don't go for two there? Why? You have to go for two eventually.

1:09:31Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I like J.J. Watts. Did you see what J.J. Watts said? There's smart football guys on both sides of this argument that I trust their opinion, and they're very much disagreeing. So that's where I'm like, it's just a field thing. Would you go for two? I think I would. The game ended. Well, no, you at least know what you need. So you're in team, extend hope for as long as possible. Right. What does that do for you? It gives you hope for longer. But Greg Olson did have some stats to back up that it doesn't change at all. JJ Watt said, The counterpoint would be the human element of a team's mindset slash mentality only being down one score instead of two.

1:10:12Right or wrong, there are some unquantifiable aspects of the belief and confidence knowing you're only down one score. I agree with that. I also think this is similar to the Dan Campbell thing. I think this is something that probably coaches talk to their teams about, and they know what's going to happen before. So the human element is maybe not as – Like, Nick Ciarani probably talks game situations with his team. He's like, hey, if we're in this situation, we're going to go for too early. You know what I mean? So it's not a surprise. Max, did you see Big Dom? I saw. I didn't, like, hang out with him.

1:10:44But I saw him on the sideline. I saw him. Did you say hello to him? I didn't. I wasn't on the sideline. I was in the stands. Did you wave to him? I wasn't, like, close enough to, like, get his attention. Did you stare at him? Did you stare at him? What was the longest amount of time you stared at him? I was looking. I don't know this question. 10 seconds, 15 seconds? Did you make eye contact? We did not make eye contact, no. You think he saw you on the Jumbotron? I think there was other things to worry about on that sideline. Do you think Big Dom could just walk into Kevin Patulo's offense, slap him across the face, and be like, act like a man, and that would fix the offense?

1:11:21Yeah. I do. I don't know. Put your hands up. Yeah. So, Max. I don't know. Big game, Max. Little game Max this weekend. Little game Max. It's Monday Night Football. All right, but you guys should handle the Chargers, right? If it's Trey Lance, it has to be. It has to be. And then you get Geno at home. Yep. The Raiders. Then you get the Commanders. Probably still. No, I think it's Commanders, then Raiders. No, it's Raiders, then Commanders. Raiders and Commanders. What's the middle game? It's Chargers, Raiders. Raiders, Commanders, Bills, Commanders. Bills, right. Fuck, I forgot we still have to play the Bills.

1:11:57In Buffalo. So Max, you should be fine I feel like you've already played the Bills I know You've played everyone Every good team Every good team you've played And you're 8-4 You're fine But they suck Nobody is good Max, you're gonna end up You're gonna end up with 12 wins this year Most likely Maybe Most likely And you're so down Yeah Most likely But look But everyone can see Everyone No, you're right You're right When people come at Philly fans for being like, how are you booing an 8-4 team? You can see that even in their wins, their offense does not look good. It's the same people are. People somehow be like, how do you boo this team?

1:12:39And then they're also saying, this team sucks. It's the same thing. We're all watching the same product. It's just people like to complain about Philly fans. That's who we are. That's who we are. I have your back on that. That's true. I had no problem with the booing. They look like shit. I love the booing. I think more fan bases should act like Eagles fans. Expect greatness. Yeah. Okay. It's probably not great for the players themselves that they're being worried about. Would you like to just address that specifically? We can make a quote card out of it. Like, hey, players. No, I want no cheering.

1:13:14I want no cheering. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, hey, players. Just so the players know it's not directed at them. Yeah, just be like, hey, don't take it. But it is. Oh, it is. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. But I feel bad. But maybe like don't take it personally. Don't take it personally. That makes sense. We boo everyone. We're booing the whole of what is going on here. Not you as a personal human being. We just want to see things look a lot better than they look right now. You want to see greatness. There should be greatness. I've heard a billion times over the past two years that this is the greatest roster of all time.

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1:16:14It's like the smaller of the two bones. Daniel Jones said that it's something that was kind of hanging over recently. Okay. He cannot pinpoint a moment in which he broke his leg, but he thinks perhaps it was something that happened against the Chiefs. Okay. But he doesn't know when he broke his leg. So he's just playing with a broken leg. He's just playing with a broken leg. Do you know what they do with colts that break their legs? It's not good. Yeah. It's not pretty. Shoot him like a horse. But, yeah, he doesn't – I don't know if they're trying to cover their tracks on the injury report. I don't know what's going on.

1:16:47But, hey, listen, that's Duke football. Just tough. Just playing through anything. I don't – That's what we do. It was the weirdest story because then I saw the clip. Did you see the clip of him in practice where he looked like he couldn't walk? Yeah. But then he was fine-ish today. It seemed like they had something inside of his sock that was giving him stability to get around. But he wasn't super mobile today. No. But yeah, he's got a broken leg. I walked away from this game just being like, holy shit, the Texans are a problem. Because their defense, and C.J. Stroud, I know he sailed one interception, but him being back, I know Davis Mills went 3-0.

1:17:23C.J. Stroud is, like, he gives them the best chance, obviously. Nico Collins had a monster day. The Texans are playing great football. And D 'Amico Ryans is an awesome coach. In the division, since 2023, D 'Amico Ryans is 13-4. He wins division games. That's what you're supposed to do as a head coach. He does that. Their defense, they have the pass rushers. Derek Stingley is an absolute beast. He got thrown at one time today. One time. That's how scared they are to throw to him. Yeah, the Texans are a legitimate threat once they get in the playoffs, if they make it in. They got work to do. They do.

1:18:02But it all started with that comeback against the Jaguars because they're one and one against the Jaguars. The game against the Chiefs next Sunday night will be a massive, massive game. But yeah, the Texans are in that list of there's some teams that are peaking right now or are playing really good football. The Cowboys and the NFC. The Texans, teams that are outside looking in, the Texans are at the top of that list in my mind. Yeah, Tony Dungy was not happy today. Tony Dungy. It takes a lot for Tony Dungy to get off his high horse and to tweet something negative about NFL officiating. But he did.

1:18:36He had some commentary on the game talking about a blown pass interference call. I think he was also kind of neglecting the pass interference in the first half where I think it was Alec Pierce running down the sideline. Yeah. And the ball went out of bounds probably by 15 to 16 feet. They just don't call uncatchable balls anymore in the NFL. It's not something that referees think of. And they missed a really big one today that did end up benefiting the Colts. But then Tony Dungy said, We've had bad pass interference calls all weekend, but the one in the Texans-Colts game was very bad. Blatant disregard of the rule when legs get tangled.

1:19:13And on top of that, they missed a delay of game before the ball was snapped. Is Tony Dungy casual? He might be. Does he not know about – like every fan has had that moment. And listen, when you're on the wrong side of it, it sucks. When you see the clock hit zero and then they don't throw the flag immediately. And then the announcers have to explain to you the mechanics behind how the referees look down at the ball, up at the clock, down at the ball. And then they throw the flag. There's like five delay games a game. But yeah, Tony Dungy getting some sour grapes. Tony Dungy, he usually doesn't step in.

1:19:43That tells me that Tony Dungy is scared. Yeah. That he's worried about the Colts. He might be. So the Texans now, they have one divisional game left. I think they just play the Titans, I believe, is their last divisional game that they have. Oh, no, they already played the Titans. They played the Colts again, Week 18. Yeah. But they're 4-1 in the division. So if you get to a point where it's division record, they're going to have, especially if they beat the Colts Week 18, they're going to have the tiebreakers. They are, after Week 8, the Texans were 3-5 and the Colts were 7-1. We're now sitting here after Week 13 and the Texans are one game back from the Colts.

1:20:21It happened that fast. Jaguars are in first now, technically. It's crazy. They're a scary, scary team. And a pinky stack, because they are my pinky team. 2018 Texans are the only team since 2000 to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. They also were a pinky team. So this is the second time I've used the Texans, and history seems to be repeating itself, where the Texans could be an 0-3 team to make the playoffs, which has only happened with the Texans in 2018. Yep. And they're 3-0, by the way, in games. And you didn't want the Chiefs. What? You didn't want the Chiefs. No, I didn't want the Chiefs. You said that wasn't fair.

1:20:58Well, no, I thought the Chiefs could still win the Super Bowl. I did not think the Texans would win the Super Bowl. If you had to choose right now, I'd probably take the Chiefs. Yeah. It's crazy. The Texans are better than – I mean, we'll find out on Sunday when they play each other. They might have figured out how to score in the red zone, too. Yeah. Yeah, Nick Chubb had a touchdown. And, by the way, they're 3-0 in games called by J.J. Watt. A little fun fact. Interesting. So, he just needs to get on more broadcasts for him, and they'll just keep going. I think the Colts are in trouble. It feels like their offense has been figured out a little bit.

1:21:32Jonathan Taylor, three out of the last four games, under 100 yards after having that monster stretch. They had that one bad fumble. I don't know if that fumble was credited to Tyler Warren or not, but the one where they tried to run him as the push-push guy. Yeah, I don't understand. I get element of surprise and stuff, but the tush push feels like the mechanics of that play, you don't want to rush it, and that's what they did. They tried to sneak tush push him, and that was pretty bad. But yeah, I think the Colts might be in a little bit of deep water here because they have some tough, tough games, and their starting quarterback has a broken fibula, which I, again, don't understand how he's walking, playing football, any of that.

1:22:10I think it's the same bone that Byron Leftwich broke when he was at Marshall. When he got carried? We're carrying him down the field. That might have been both a fibula and a tibia. I'm not sure. But yeah, the fibula, you can walk on it. I've had a broken fibula twice before. I would never be able to run on it. Right. I couldn't move. I could limp on it. But when you break your tibia, that's when you can't put any weight at all. I don't know how Daniel Jones is playing football right now. It must not be that bad of a fracture. but I have to imagine that playing football makes it worse. Yeah. And it's not that I think the Colts are some bad team.

1:22:44I just think they have a really, really tough schedule, and the AFC South has suddenly become a really competitive division. Like the Jaguars are in first. Yeah. The Texans are playing the best football. They play at the Jaguars next week, and they haven't won there since like 2014. Yeah. Then they have at the Seahawks, hard game. They've got the Niners at home. Possibly a winnable game. I think that's Monday Night Football. Niners are playing really good football right now. They are. And then against the Jaguars and then at the Texans. Again, if the Chiefs somehow run the table, they would have to conceivably go 4-1 in that stretch.

1:23:23I think they're going to make the playoffs, but you can't have your quarterback with a broken leg. Even if you want to throw the Chiefs out, the Jaguars are playing great football and the Texans are playing great football. There's going to be both playoff races in the AFC-NFC are awesome because there are teams in the 8-9 spots that you're like, yeah, I could absolutely see them making the playoffs. They're tight. It's going to be all these teams that are sitting in this window. They have to go probably 4-1. Shout out to Miss Ursa today. Yeah. I like the polo shirt. It was like the Gucci-Adidas crossover.

1:24:00She was looking good. I feel bad for Seth. Feels like everything's gone south since he went savage. Yeah. They've lost three out of four since he went savage. I think it's since he apologized for going savage. Yeah. Actually, Seth, you should take the apology back and go even more savage. Go savage. When you apologize, when you let them cancel you. For going savage. You can't give them the power for shaming you for being savage. No. Okay. Texans are scary. Scary, scary team. That defense is just. I mean, the Colts were the best offense in football for two months, and they just shut them down. like that was that Daniel Jones did have that awesome pass he that was a sick touchdown pass Alec Pierce is incredible by the way Alec Pierce is great he's going to make a lot of money this offseason I would like to see him on the commanders next year he is a great wide receiver awesome deep threat and he can jump like he's he's probably got one of the highest verticals of any wide receiver yeah it's like him and Pickens okay next game this was also not well the Texans wasn't a shocker because it was you know a divisional game and the Texans are playing great football but this one was the Panthers 31 the Rams 28 if you had asked anyone going into this Sunday who the best team in football is I think most people would have said the Rams I would have said the Rams I would have said it's you know why they're gonna win this game big cat I'll tell you why I'll tell you why the Rams are gonna win this game Matt Stafford has gone 27 touchdown passes in a row without an interception Bryce Young still hasn't thrown in the 200s this entire season that's all that's basically my keys to the game right there and then flipped and then it flipped and then matt saffert threw one touchdown to make it 28 in a row record and then started turning the ball over left and right yeah and then bryce young was efficient bryce young so it was dave canales is a really good coach i think we can all agree here like what he's done with the panthers but they had such good game plan where it was like pound the rock pound the rock pound the rock chubba hubbard was was good for the first time in a long time they had the the combo the two of them and then have Bryce Young make the big high leverage throws, which he made two of them.

1:26:06He made two touchdown passes on fourth and three, and they were perfect passes. Bryce Young, I think it's the second time in his career he's gone three touchdowns, zero interceptions. And like you said, yeah, first time this season he's thrown in the 200s. Also, that's 11 come-from-behind victories for Bryce Young. It's crazy. 11. It's crazy. Yeah. And they were 10-point underdogs, and Sean McVay had been 20-0 straight up as a road favorite of four points or more before today. So think about that. That was a meow mix since they retired are 6-3. The Panthers are 6-3. Yeah, looking good. That was an awesome game.

1:26:45I think we have a couple stat corrections. What? He went for three touchdowns and zero interceptions against the Falcons. He also threw for 450. No, no. He also threw for 330 against the Cardinals. No, 200. That's the second. That's the wrong stat. So that's the second time he's ever done three touchdowns, zero interceptions. And it's the first time he's thrown for 200 this year. In the 200s. Max is looking at more than 200. He's thrown 100. We've been talking about this stat every now and then. It's a very stupid stat. It's really stat for dummies. But he's thrown in the 100s, the 300s, the 400s, but not the 200s until today.

1:27:19That's the sweet spot. That's on me. That's on me. That's where you win football games. Hank will tell you, if you throw under 300 yards a game, you can win a lot of football games in the NFL. Every game of his career is number one. That's not true. Yeah, he had one. He's in the 300 club, yeah. And a lot under 200. Elite company. Elite company being in the 300 club. Tonight, that's the night, Hank. Yeah, I agree. I'm going to bet it again. Are the Panthers good? I don't know if the Panthers are good. They just flip-flop. Every game, they flip-flop. They're the definition of frisky. Their defense is good.

1:27:54I do believe in the Panthers defense. Oh, dude. Derek Brown is a monster in the middle. Having a big dude in the middle is such a joy to watch. If you've got a big fucking dude in the middle. He had the sack on Stafford to end the game with the fumble. And I think it was his helmet that he jumped up and the ball hit his helmet and then was intercepted. The first interception Stafford had thrown in like two months. so he's a monster they did it without jc horn too yeah also puka's catch was insane one of the one of the best catches of the year and devontae adams has 11 touchdowns in six games which is crazy but then stat hole put me on to uh 1987 jerry rice 1987 jerry rice in his last six games of the season had uh 14 touchdowns and then i looked at his whole game log for that season it was 12 games so they played 12 games then and he he had 22 touchdowns in 12 games he had more games in that season with multi touchdowns than single time he scored a touchdown in every game he had more games seven games he had multi touchdowns five games he had just a single touchdown that's crazy it's insane 22 touchdowns in 12 games now i think that the rams are probably, they're still the team I think I trust the most.

1:29:14Yeah, but this is a bad game. It's a bad game, but I think it's a bad game that you can look at and probably think confidently. Matt Stafford's probably not going to have a game like this again in the near future. Well, it's pretty much if Matt Stafford doesn't turn the ball over, they win the game easily. I mean, he had a red zone pick. He had the fumble at the end of the game. He had a pick six. Those were his three turnovers, which he hadn't done in two months, were the biggest swing plays in the game. Yeah, so I think if you're a Rams fan, you're like, this might be one of those games you just burned the tape of.

1:29:46Yeah. Because I don't think that there's anything wrong with the Rams. I don't think that they're broken. I think that Matt Stafford had a bad game, and you will have bad games. And they might be indoor guys. They might be indoor cats, yeah. Also, Carolina, they're 4-2 at home. Yeah. It's not easy to win in Carolina anymore. Especially not with Meow Mix. Not with Meow Mix. Yeah, that was not a factor last time. Do you think the guys are just sitting there like, fuck, we should have finally do this? They would love to talk about this game. This season is so fun. They would love to talk about this game.

1:30:12This is such a fun season for the Panthers. You know what? I think they should bring the podcast back for the playoffs. I mean, they got to. So they're, I think, not a wild card team, but very much a they could win the NFC South. Yeah. If they can. If they make the playoffs. If they could win a couple in a row. Because since like a month and a half ago, they've gone loss, win, loss, win. And you got to probably stack some wins together. I think that the Panthers, yeah, I think the Panthers players would be so excited about the prospect of Miamics coming back for the playoffs. If you announce it, it might spur them on to actually get to the playoffs.

1:30:52Yeah. To win some of these games down the stretch. Oh, actually, I'm looking at their schedule right now because I think they have a bye. If they continue going loss-win, that would be two wins against the Bucs. Yeah. What if they just do that? What if they go loss-win? Zach, you don't like that. Confirmed. Do not like that. Yes, sir. All right. Let's talk about your Bucs. Tampa 20, Cardinals 17. Bucs are back. I think back. I think back. Zach is optimistic. Bucky's back. He's looking good. Baker's like, I'm not hurt. I'm on the field. Let's play. Yeah. Baker's playing with a bad shoulder, but he looked fine.

1:31:27You're sick. Under the weather confirmed. What happened over Thanksgiving that got you sick? I think it just, the blob's back, a lot of snow. You weren't here for the blob. That's a great point. I retract my previous statement. I'm not going to blame the weather. You just tried to blame the blob. Well, it's going from hot to cold, probably. Yeah, good point. But it sounds like you were sick before you got back. I think it might have just been like a lot, just being around like an influx of people, a lot of bodies, you know? Yeah, did you game a lot? I couldn't bring, I tried to fit the Xbox and the carry-on didn't fit.

1:31:57Oh, shit. So no game over the weekend, just a lot of family time. Did you think about gaming? A lot of plates. I did. There's so many clips online, because this is a great weekend. They ripped XXP the entire holiday, so I did think about it quite a bit. Take some mental reps. I can't wait to get back to the game. Is the pool still open? Oh, pool is... Which pool? At home. Oh, pool at home is wide open, yes. Were you in it? Was not in it. Oh. What was the food situation like back at home? Oh, it was good. It was good. My mom plays the hits. You know, turkey, streaming casserole. We do the rolls.

1:32:30We get into a little bit of stuffing. A little bit of giblet gravy. It's pretty good. Did you make any trips like out to a restaurant, get some desserts? desserts some late night snacks i definitely hit there's a there's a gas station very close to my home i hit that late night usually for like some candy bars you know yeah pretty basic stuff yeah yeah and then just like you go to the bar see your friends you haven't seen in a while and the bucks are good bucks back back because they buy stock in the bucks right now because their schedule is a joke down the stretch and if you don't buy stock now we're going private don't try to buy stock later love that this is the ipo it did look chris godwin looked good because he He didn't look great.

1:33:08I mean, that game against the Rams was so, so bad. But Chris Godwin looked good. Bucky looked good. Bucky feels like it adds that element to their offense they were looking for. And Tristan Wirth scored a touchdown, which was cool. That was very cool. Zach, when you were watching Baker in the first half when he was sliding, what were your thoughts? He just got worried. Yeah. It's like a special piece you don't want to see not be on the field. Yeah. He was popping up after his slides laughing at himself. Like, I can't believe I'm a pussy. And just knowing that later on in the game when it meant something, he was not going to slide.

1:33:42But he did it. Like, somebody got through to him. I think they even showed Todd Bowles on the sidelines, like laughing at the fact that Baker actually slid. Because you know that he was telling his coaches, yeah, I'll slide, I'll slide. They didn't actually believe that he was going to do it until he actually did. And then I think he just brought so much shame to himself. He's like, I got to run somebody over. Next time a cornerback tries to tackle me, I'm not going to slide. Those were courtesy slides. He did that for the organization, but then he had to get back to being himself. Yeah. Yeah, I'm buying stock in the Bucs.

1:34:09Yeah, the Bucs, I think they'll be fine. The Cardinals, also a big bummer team. This was the most Cardinals loss. This was their whole season in one game. Yeah. Which they've done every single game. The seventh time. This is the seventh loss they've had by four points or less. That's three more than any other team in the NFL. I wish that Bam Knight was better because of his name. Yeah. He's got a great name that I feel like his name is wasted on Bam Knight. Yeah. what are the Cardinals going to do so they're officially eliminated I said that stat about seven losses by four points or less that they're the fourth team in the last 30 years to do this and there still is five games left the season that they can easily lose those by four points or less what are they going to do because they're done with Kyler are they going to fire Jonathan Gannon like they're I think so I feel like if we did like hopeless rankings they they're they're in that category they're in the middle of nowhere where are they right now on tank-a-thon I don't know but that's they are seventh pick so they probably got to lose some more to get up there yeah i don't know building around jacoby brissette so just say go full fuck it i wish one team would go full fuck it yeah they i mean they they outgained the bucks in this game they had they just had two turnovers missed field goal two turnovers on downs like that's just what the cardinals do they if you look at the stats in every cardinals game you're like oh that was a competitive game and they should have maybe won like no they just they just find ways to lose okay uh right now yes they are seventh in the draft and on tank-a-thon they have them taking oh an offensive tackle okay so keep jacoby yeah let's build around bridge bridge quarterback i gotta i gotta believe that kyler is done in arizona yeah has to be yeah he's the i assume there's like a line out the door of quarterbacks that are like they'll be the next McVay right like they'll go to McVay yeah I think Kyler he's my guy for that Anthony Richardson's on that list too I don't I don't know if we can make it work with AR but you know people are saying that like hey if you just get him to Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay the Rams also have a top 10 pick yeah the Rams do they have the Falcons so they could just draft the next one yeah they could draft the next That's true.

1:36:22That guy for McVay. What guy do you think is the next McVay guy? And Stafford, by the way, is not a McVay guy because he was good before. But you know that the – or Shanahan. Yeah. Or KOC. I could see Kyler going to Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. He's a tiny in the purple. I mean, they have – as a backup. Tiny. Because they get nine. They do have nine. Who looks pretty good today. He looked – nine had his best game of the season today. This is the best. This is the best performance that you've seen from J.J. McCarthy. The best full game. I'm talking four quarters of extended success for J.J.

1:36:58McCarthy. He's so bad. Today was a big win for nine people. Soft benching works. Big time. Once you get to your Brosmers. And also, a little vindication for Carson Wentz makes a little more sense why he was out there. I think Brosmer at times learned very well under the tutelage of Carson Wentz. Okay, next game. Miami was pretty good. What? Wentz was pretty good for the Vikings. Stop it, Max. He was. He was probably their best quarterback this year. You have Wentz deranged. Would you take Wentz back? No. I'm saying who was the best quarterback for the – Would you? Actually, no. J.J. McCarthy. Carson Wentz right now with those Eagles weapons?

1:37:33Think about it. Dude, he almost won the MVP for them. That'd be pretty nice. A healthy Carson Wentz? You guys are a joke. Think about it, dude. No, you're a joke. You're talking about a guy that's not afraid to throw picks. You got to – Right? You got to think the offense would open up a little. He's fun. Max, you know he's fun. You're thinking about Carson Wentz right now. I can tell. I see that look on your face. I'm allowed to make jokes about Carson Wentz without it coming back to bite me.

1:38:03It's kind of like a grade school joke. Like, oh, you got cooties. I don't like you. No, Max likes Carson. I really hope that we date. I hope you take me to the dance. Max is pulling Carson's hair. You're putting gum on her. That would only work for PFT. PFT is the one who is just the Carson Wentz hater. Yeah, correct. I don't like Carson Wentz. So then the cooties thing would be for PFT. PFT, you need Carson Wentz. Your quarterback can't even play. No, you're the one that's... He doesn't even have an arm. You're the one that's playfully... His arm is bent the other way right now. That playfully hates Carson Wentz.

1:38:31He doesn't have an arm. You playfully hate him. You tease Carson. You tease him. You tease him. I tease. I support him. I want him banned from the league. Lifetime ban for Carson Wentz. Wrong. That's pretty strong. Yeah, strong. Firm but fair. okay Dolphins 21 Saints 17 the Dolphins almost blew this game Devon Achain still is it turns out Devon Achain hey you should probably just feature the entire offense around him in their three wins in a row the Dolphins Devon Achain has had 524 yards from scrimmage and three touchdowns seems like that works I think the mission of this Dolphins season is pretty clear they're going to win just enough games unconvincingly to make Stephen Ross have to make a tough decision and whatever decision he makes will be the wrong one well he's already made the decision he said McDaniel and two are back but you can say that yeah and then change like owners do that all the time but they're also winning but you're are you telling me that if the Dolphins lose the rest of their games that McDaniel's coming back I don't know I don't know I don't think that he is if they lose the rest of their game i'm saying that the dolphins are doing just enough yeah to probably screw themselves to screw themselves up and have whatever whatever choice it is that steven ross makes it ends up being the wrong one yeah yeah because i mean they play the jets next week they could be well the jets are frisky jets are really frisky very yeah the saints the saints basically just didn't this game was basically a uh these two teams are going nowhere tyler shuck looked like shit in the first half looked better in the second half and the saints found a way to cover and also had the ball and almost they they successfully that's the biggest story from this game is they they did a successful onside kick it was a sweet onside kick i thought it looked like it only went nine yards but they said it went 10 i don't know how they judged that but uh they got the ball back and if they had made that two-point conversion at the end of the game that they definitely could have won it yeah they are at least tied it at the very end yeah they They, yeah, Tyler Shuck is fine.

1:40:41The second half, he looked good. First half, he looked bad. I have noticed that guys tend to jump a little bit early on Tyler Shuck's passes. I don't know if that's because they don't have it timed. Maybe Spencer's got more of a cannon. The Rattler. Tua was trying to throw a couple picks. But they figured it out that, like, hey, like I said, Devon A-Chain is the guy. And just let him do it. And you don't have to have Tua throw it a million times. And good things can happen. Also, two of pretty good slides. He had a couple today. Yeah, he's learning. He's learning how to slide. Okay. Jags, 25, Titans, three.

1:41:14First place Jags. They're good. Hank, they're good. First place Jags. They had a bunch of injuries today, too. They had Trayvon Walker was out. Eric Armstrong was out. I think Parker Washington got banged up in the game. Shout out to Jags GM, the WizKid, because the Jacoby Myers trade was very smart because he's been a beast for them. And he was like there he's he is the Trevor Lawrence's, you know, go to guy now. And I know they have Brian Thomas, but Jacoby Myers is like Mr. Reliable for him. And the Jags, they did what they should do. They kick the shit out of the Titans. It was it was a very Titans thing where they like outside of a couple plays could have been in this game.

1:41:55But they had the penalty roughing the passer at the end of the first half leads to a field goal when they were the Jags were ready to go into halftime. and then to start the second half when it was 18 to 3, they had a roughing the punter, and then the Jaguars scored a touchdown. Yeah, that was crazy at the end of the half because the Jaguars were just trying to get to halftime. They decided we're not going to try a 63-yard field goal. Even though their kicker might have the leg, maybe not outdoors, but he might have the leg for it. They just opted to not kick a field goal and instead just try to run the clock out on a play where they scrambled Trevor Lawrence out to the side, late hit on him then a fight on the sideline move the ball up well into field goal range and it was just like that's that's what bad teams do yeah that's what the titans are and then i see and then i saw mike mccoy on the sideline their coach i think he's their coach he just he just wasn't saying or doing anything he was just standing there yeah i don't think that the titans have a head coach right now i think they have a guy whose job he sits in that chair in the office i don't think they've actually updated the sign on the door but i think he's a warm body that sits there i don't think he's actually coaching the team at all yeah because after the game the i think it was jeffrey simmons was like we need a coach very badly right now we have we have to can we please get somebody in here that will change the culture we need just basically he's asking for the biggest hard ass they can find to come in and just beat them into shape and that he's right that's what they need because the titans they don't look like they don't look look like a football team right now no outside of chameer dk and shout out the jaguars because The Jaguars are kind of similar to the Bears in that if you get the hire right, you can turn it around pretty quickly because last year they were a 4-13 team.

1:43:35They sucked. Liam Cohn comes in, and he's got them 8-4, first place in the division. This is just the fourth time in the last 15 years that the Jaguars have won eight or more games. Yeah. Like, they're a good football team, and Liam Cohn deserves a shitload of credit. The Duval thing, not as creepy now when we find out he can coach. And the Jaguars have won four games in November for the very first time since 2005. That's crazy. So good for them. They're playing good football. They're playing good football. And their one loss in November was that crazy game that they should have won against the Texans and just let them, you know, they fucked that up bad.

1:44:13We do have a Chimera DK update. He had a couple fumbles today. But he had some nice returns. But he had some fumbles. He is now on pace for 2 ,721 all-purpose yards this season. That actually now puts him on pace to surpass Darren Sproles' all-time record for 2 ,696 all-purpose yards in 2011. Oh, wow. So there's that. It's an insult stat. It's a great – yeah, it's a big-time insult stat because they just get scored on so much that he gets all these returns. He gets a lot of kick returns. But at least you have something to root. You root for Cam Ward to not get injured. you look for him to look like the guy and then you root for chameer dk kickoff returns yeah by the way to your point about mike mccoy like looking for a coach did you see so on the on the first drive they kicked a field goal they had a nice drive and it was uh i think fourth and three and they kicked the field goal it's like you're the titans you what are you doing just go for it mike mccoy said after he said if it was fourth and two we're going for it if it's fourth and three we're kicking it that's what we said before the play was even stopped okay analytics cool dude nice analytics i mean what doesn't matter about game situation yeah just it doesn't matter about the fact that you guys have one win and you're terrible and you have a rookie quarterback and you know you're gonna have to score touchdowns to win a game and you might as well just go for it every time every time just fucking go for tell your punter don't make the trip yeah worst case scenario you turn the ball over deep in your territory and then it's chamira dk time chamira dk time okay let's do a couple more ads and we'll get to the last two games we'll get back to the games in a second they're brought to you by our great friends over at campbell's what are you boys craving this nfl season you know i'm craving soup it's soup season we had soup weather this weekend no soup satisfies all your cravings like chunky chunky's bold meaty and has all the craveable flavors that you need to tackle your hunger so go pick up a can of chunky today crush your cravings they get flavors like beefy mac chili dog mac buffalo style chicken mac and so many more so don't forget chunky can satisfy all your cravings this nfl season since chunky's has the food covered what else are you boys craving this nfl season i'm craving a good college football playoff i'm craving a bracket i'm craving you know i'm craving right now it's more turkey i haven't had enough turkey yet yeah i need some more turkey i'm gonna make some thanksgiving soup it's gonna be chunky chunky is everything that you crave no matter what you crave or when you crave it.

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1:47:13Drink up on Pepsi. Okay. Back to the games. Jets, 27. Falcons, 24. Memes. The Jets have won a game. Another game. They have three wins now. Culture. Moving in the right direction. So we were talking after the game. I actually do believe you're looking at Tankathon, but if you're Aaron Glenn, you want to win some of these games down the stretch to get things turned around, kind of like what Dan Campbell did in Detroit. Yeah, they have the perfect schedule to get moving in the right direction and winning some games. Yeah, and you guys got a turnover today. On special teams. Yeah, the Falcons fumbling on the one.

1:47:55It's a turnover. That was the New York Jets' first turnover in the United States this year. That's huge. That's huge. This is momentum memes. Yeah, still no interception, but progress. And Nick Falk, who's like, how old is he? In Aaron Glenn's post-game speech, he said they were teammates. They were. The game ball goes to my teammate, Nick Falk. That's awesome. Yeah, he's 41 years old. I mean, he just keeps doing it. And that was not like an easy kick. You guys were trading missed kicks for a little bit there. And that was not an easy kick in bad weather. No, they almost blew it, too. They had a false start at the end of the game, almost took them out of field goal range.

1:48:34But, like, the old Jets, that goes wide left. Yep. Even though it would probably be better for TechThom, but whatever. But it went through. They're the new Jets trying to build a culture. Yeah, I think it's like you – I mean, I've been in the same spot a ton of times, too, where you're, like, at the end of the season, you're like, all right, draft pick, but also you've got to win games at some point, especially with new coach. If it were a coach you were about to fire, that's different. Yeah, 100%. You know what I mean? Like, if it was a coach, you're like, all right, we're going to fire him at the end of the season no matter what.

1:49:07It doesn't matter. That's games you want to lose. But, like, with a new coach you want – and you've got guys that are going to beat that. Like, A.D. Mitchell, this one shocked me. Didn't realize he'd never score a touchdown in his NFL career. I just assumed he had because I feel like we've talked about him a lot. Did you know that, Meeves? I did not know that. I thought he scored a bunch on the Colts. Same. I was like, what? This is his first touchdown? That was his first career touchdown in the NFL was today. He was awesome today. And that's a piece of your future. So, yeah, he had eight catches, 102 yards in his first career touchdown.

1:49:43Yeah, good for him. And Tyrod, that was a dime. I mean, it was 59 yards in the air to A.D. Mitchell. Tyrod, he looked pretty good today. Yeah. He was using the legs, moving around, manipulating the pocket, hitting guys downfield. This is a good win for the Jets. The Jets played watchable football today, and you can't really say that. Yes. Facts. That's exactly what it was. I was watching the game, and I was like, damn, this is watchable as fuck, actually. They've upgraded from a really bad team to watchable football. Yeah, they're not in the Titans-Raiders category. No. Not even close. Yeah. That's a category of, like, why even turn it on because it's so bad.

1:50:20And this has got to be frustrating for the Falcons. I mean, their season's over as well, but they don't have their first pick. first round pick, so they have no reason to tank. That goes to the Rams. Bijan was awesome, but they just do the little things wrong. Like, they had the ball with, what, a couple minutes left memes, and they could have gone and won the game, and they couldn't get a first down? Twice. Twice, yeah. So I was thinking about this. I think we've thought about doing this before, but remind me, Zach, we've got to do this. Week 18, when we get to week 18, and there's a bunch of games in week 18 where there's just nothing at stake and we do the recap that Sunday night, we need to go back and do handout each team's Super Bowl because I was thinking about it.

1:51:09The Falcons have just been atrocious the last eight games. They were 3-2 and they had beaten when they beat the Buffalo Bills on Monday Night Football and everyone was like, holy shit, they've arrived. That was it. That was the peak. So it's maybe not the Super Bowl. It's what was the best moment? What was the moment that each fan base was feeling absolute best about their season? Give us that exact moment. Yeah, yeah. I'd say that that Buffalo Bills game without a doubt, and that was like peak Bajon experience too. They tried to do it again. Their game plan today was not – it wasn't bad. It was probably like the most effective Falcons game plan that they can have, which is just basically like a shitload of screen passes and hand the ball off to Bajon.

1:51:53I want to see Raheem Morris' cell phone See what his screen time was like today It was probably like 50 % of the game It was smart, put the ball in your best player's hands And see what they can do But the defense stinks for the Falcons too And that's kind of Raheem Morris' thing Yeah, I feel like he's going to get fired I think he's gone They've got a tough end of their season coming up too And they have the list of guys that they brought in for an interview That they should have hired and didn't Yeah That is going to haunt them Yes, for sure. But congrats to the Jets. I feel like this is a win that you guys will end up at the top of the draft no matter what.

1:52:30I don't think that you're going to go on a winning streak to end the season. You're not going to run the table. Yeah, no, but the games are winnable. They'll win like one, maybe two. Yeah, and you guys are loaded up. You got all the draft picks, Mames. All the draft picks. Unfortunately for the Colts, they're going the wrong direction. No, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, do you actually are the Cowboys are is becoming it's it might flip like the Cowboys draft pick. Yeah, the second round pick, right? But which is better for the Cowboys first round pick the following year because they have a harder schedule.

1:53:04I like that. Yeah, this is 3D chess. I love that. That's smart. I like that memes really smart and you have just the next year. You just have this year's Colts first round pick, right? No, and next year and Cowboys next year. So you wouldn't hate if the Colts found a way to have a difficult schedule as well. But you'd want a high pick. One of them. Correct. Yeah. Okay, this is three. I like this memes. It sounds like the rebuild. Who do you guys have left? We play the Dolphins next week. Okay. At home. That's winnable. Then the Jaguars. That's a loss. Yeah. Then Patriots. Okay. I actually don't know.

1:53:44I think you play. Oh, the Saints. Saints. That's a must lose. Must lose. For draft. Must lose. For draft picks. Because that's, yeah. That could be a substantial swing in Tankathon when it comes to where you're going to be drafting. Memes, have you guys covered five games in a row now? Whoa. Is the smart money on the New York Jets? Holy shit. Is that true? They beat the Bengals. Yeah. I have to imagine that you were underdogs for that game, right? Yes. You beat the Browns by seven points. That's got to be another cover. Yep, that was, yep. You covered against the Patriots. I think you were 13.5-point dogs.

1:54:21Yep. And you lost by 13. Yeah, you covered against the Ravens. I think you were also 13.5-point dogs. 14-point dogs. 14-point dogs. You lost by 13. Yep. And then you won today outright against the Falcons. Ooh. The Jets are a money-making team. The Jets. All the smart money is on the Jets right now. Damn. These are the baby steps to establishing yourself as a winning culture. Six out of the last seven as well. Memes. Yeah, they haven't really got blown out this year except the Cowboys. Yeah. In the Bills week two. Yeah, outlier. Memes, have you thought? Wait, but that was so long ago. You were pointing out the blowout.

1:55:00Yeah, it was so long ago. Different Bills team, different Jets team. Memes, have you thought about what happens if you guys had beat the Steelers week one? Yeah, I was talking to Zach about that earlier. There's a couple of those games. What happens? Let's just say that the score is 35-34. It's that and the Broncos game. You beat the Steelers. And the Bucs. And the Panthers. And the Panthers. If you beat the Steelers week one, how many more games do you win?

1:55:29Maybe you might not make those trades No, because... That's a good point. But then the Cowboys win the Super Bowl. And also Justin Fields gets a little bit longer of a leash. Yeah, everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason. You can't go back. But it would be nice to be in the hunt. You can't go back. What did you tell Zach about what would happen? No, we'd just be in the hunt right now. Jason trying to break the playoff drought. Yep. That's the goal. It's not going to happen until 2028. What about 2027? Wait, what about 2026? 2026, no. Yeah, I'll give him that to you. It's a tough schedule.

1:56:07You guys can maybe make the end of the hunt. Why did you just write off 2027? I know how you feel about the schedule for next season. You've established that. That'll be the rookie quarterback here. Do you have a board in your house with pins in it and just the whole rebuild? Because I would like to see that. I feel like you are Charlie Day. You have your schedule. You have the other team scheduled. You had their pick and everything. I do go to bed at night just thinking who the next quarterback will be next season. And? Right now we're on Lamar Jackson. Oh. Okay. I didn't know he was on the market.

1:56:42Well, Ravens don't make the playoffs. Ravens, good organization. They've moved on from quarterbacks in the past when they're at the end of their career trying to get that pick from a bad organization. They do a lot of homework on guys. They get their next guy on a rookie contract, build the defense, get wide receivers in, go back to the Super Bowl. But I don't think that they would get rid of Lamar next year. I like that. If that is what the Ravens – He was on the market before. I like that, memes. Yeah, you can't – if they don't make the playoffs, you can't say that it's like a certainty. No, I saw somebody say Joe Burrow.

1:57:16That wouldn't happen. Wait, so what's going on with that? Because I saw a Vikings fan saying that, like, we should trade our two picks for Lamar or Joe Burrow. Is this happening? It's just people without a quarterback who are like, let's just trade five first-round picks to the Bengals who don't have a defense so they could use it for their defense. Yeah. Right. Get a rookie quarterback. It's just using your imagination. I think Lamar would be more likely than Joe Burrow just because Joe Burrow is, like, knowing the Bengals owner and how cheap he is, having a quarterback that can sell tickets is like a goldmine for him.

1:57:52Yeah, but wait. And this is all hypothetical. This is just stuff I sent to the Jets group chat. Okay. I just want to dive in a little bit further because I'm just a little bit confused. So you would get Lamar Jackson next year, but then you'd also draft a quarterback the next year after that. No, no, no. But if we get Lamar, we got Lamar. If you get Lamar, then the plan for the rookie quarterback is off. And then at that point, we can start talking playoffs in 2027. But Lamar's at the end of his career because that's why the Ravens traded him. Yep. So we got like three years a little more This sounds a lot like The Aaron Rodgers situation Yeah that's how we do it Alright well congrats memes This was a good win for you guys And you were very watchable I enjoyed watching the Jets I found myself rooting for the Jets today Very watchable elite special teams Hey anybody here Has everyone's team Anyone else's teams Not lose in regulation this weekend uh max lost in regulation oh he's the only he's the only one okay that's congratulations for losing in overtime thanks that's a yeah you want to you want to pat on the back for that that's why i mentioned regulation yeah that was the regulation that was the whole point of the exercise yeah congrats didn't lose in right i'm congratulating you for them for that exercise really good exercise raise your hand if you were winning or tied at the end of the fourth quarter Oh, yeah, big time right here.

1:59:16That's so sick for you. Zach? Zach, get your hand up. Pretty awesome, boys. Okay, Niners 26, Browns 8. That's so stupid. You should get a point for an overtime loss. It should be like hockey. Niners 26, Browns 8. You're a sad little man. I am sad. The low man. No, I'm actually very happy, Max. By the low man trophy. Max, we're not talking about the game yet. The Browns did it again. Down 10-8 in half. lose 26 to 8. We had the Shador Sanders run against all odds. Fourth and 26, he finishes the game with a 5-yard run and slide. So, Stathole looked it up 63 times since 1999. There's been a 4th and 26 or more, and that was the first ever time that a team has run.

2:00:07First ever? Yeah. I would think that some quarterback would have like a broken down pocket. they take I know you have to throw I can't believe the point I know I know but at some point like you would maybe you thought you saw something no uh no way but even crazier was the slide yeah he just said fuck it I mean the game didn't matter so people will clown him for it but it's still it was funny it's it's a weird it's a weird thing to slide there yeah and it's a weird thing to not throw just throw just try to make a play downfield somewhere uh Chador did not play good today he did get hit in the nuts though when he went out of the game i i can tell just by how he jumped around the sideline that's a jump that you do after getting injured only if you get hit in the nuts and you're trying to get rid of that nut pain yeah this game was a little testy you see shelby harris from the browns after the game yeah he called out juan jennings and said he sees why he got punched in the nuts last week by the panthers he called him a hoe yeah he said that he's been hose been hot in the streets that was gonna be my who's back is hose yeah but yeah apparently juan jennings ho yeah everyone was pissed at juan jennings he must have said some wild shit i don't know i yeah who knows i don't know what you can say to get punched in the dick um but i you know what i'm gonna go with the browns on this one i'm gonna take their side i don't think that you would just make that up uh but she already got got like hit in the balls taking a sack and then dylan gabriel came in and by the way you want to talk about against all odds dylan gabriel did not take a single snap with the first stringers a week and then he got in went one for one oh and then they took him right out okay i just maybe something to keep an eye on although stefanski said after the game that he's just going to keep going with the door yeah which i i pretty much agree with yeah i think you have to um the miles garrett got his 19th sack miles garrett also had words about juan jennings he said i can't speak for how he was raised i gotta know what juan jennings said some crazy shit how was well now i gotta look up also how he was raised yeah so this was Malik oh so Malik Collins went down with an injury there were words exchanged between Juwan Jennings and some guys on the Browns defense when Malik went down it looked like there was something talking and this is what Shelby said he said yeah he's a hoe and I want that known like I see why he got punched in the nuts because that's like he says some things that you should not say to another man ever but I don't respect it because you say that then run behind your O line that's some real soft shit and I want that known i see exactly why they punched your nuts i'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet that's such a funny quote i see exactly why they punched your nuts he's a hoe and in his defense i think if i had trent williams hanging around me i would say a lot of shit too yeah you can get away with anything yeah i don't know i so yeah the the whole thing was i i don't know what i don't know what the fuck he said but i the niners are uh the niners are good by the way i they're good their defense is playing well they're young feels like purdy purdy didn't have like eye-popping stats but he also was playing against an incredible defense in the cleveland browns and really bad weather like very windy it felt like he had some zip back on his ball and it felt like he was making the right decisions after that monday night game where he just kept on throwing picks i think the most emasculating thing that can happen to you in the NFL is if Brock Purdy duggies on you yeah and that's what happened to the Browns today that's probably it was probably misplaced anger at Juwan Jennings and it was all stemming from the fact that Brock Purdy just hit you with a duggie he dug on a touchdown scramble a duggie that he'd been practicing yeah all week that's how that's how bad teams are overlooking the Browns now is you've got the Brock Purdy's of the world orchestrating a duggie touchdown dance against you during practice time during the week yeah that's got to be that should go up on the bulletin board if you're the browns yes just big time think about that going into next week and you'll probably come out and play harder yeah you don't want to see this man dugging on you no brock purdy who do they play next uh they have a bye okay that's good and then after that i don't know i think their schedule is pretty easy the niners are a problem let's see oh there's my cam ward titans yeah if cam ward hit think about cam ward hitting you with a sturdy and then that should get you all the motivation that you need.

2:04:22Or like Cam Ward doing the Macarena on you. Niners is tough. The rest of their schedule. Titans is a win. Then? Then Colts. At Colts. Yeah, no, the Bears-Niners game I have circled is going to be out. All three of those games. Yeah, that is. Yeah, yeah. I think I was looking at their schedule more. You know what it is? I was looking at their schedule after the Rams game because they did have a four-week stretch of games that they should win. and they have won three out of four of them. And so now they're in a pretty good spot. Everyone's good. Everyone's bad. By the way, Shador Sanders, he said after the game that the team is not going to be a microwave thing.

2:05:03We're going to have sparks, but it's going to take time to be able to develop that chemistry with everybody. Sparks happen in microwaves. They certainly do, especially if you leave a spoon in there. Yeah, like a little tinfoil. Yeah, that's ground zero for sparks inside a house. What is he thinking? It's not going to be a microwave. What are the Browns? They're not going to be a microwave. Are they a slow cooker? I have no idea, but they're not going to be a microwave. He wants you to know them. Are they a smoker? Crockpot. Yeah, crockpot. That sounds about right. The Browns had the most muffed punt ever today where it was so perfect.

2:05:35It was like if you could draw up a muffed punt, it went in the guy's hand, in like his bread basket and right out perfect bounce to the 49ers. Yeah, it was pretty bad. The Niners, you're right, though. The Niners are just a good football team. They are. And McCaffrey, by the way, was just – so he went 800 rushing, 800 receiving for the season. That's just the third time in his career he's done that. The only other player to do that is Marshall Falk. Pretty cool. That's pretty good. Yeah. I thought Kittle has looked good too. Really good. He looks young. He looks good. Juwan Jennings, even though he's a hoe, he's looked like a – He's a productive hoe.

2:06:13I understand why they punched his nuts. You got to have one hoe on your team. That's going to be brutal to have everyone else in the league be like, yeah, you deserve to get punched in the nuts. Yeah. That makes sense. But also, if you're a true hoe, you kind of wear that like a badge of honor. Yeah. Like a real pest in hockey. You made people that upset that they had to punch you in the nuts. Yeah, you mad. Mm-hmm. Rent free. That's how hoes live. I got them so mad they touched my penis. Yeah. That's gay. Pause. Got them. You what? You think I'm a hoe? Pause. Pause. Well, got them. Oh, yeah. You fucking touched my dick.

2:06:46Who's the hoe now? Yeah. Got it. That's an Uno reverse card on him. Yeah, I also like how Miles Garrett has the number 25 written down on his wrist now. Oh, that's what he's going for? He's thinking about it. He's thinking about 25. I like that. 25 sacks. Is that McKinley? He might just be a big William McKinley fan. I don't know why else you'd have. But yeah, he's thinking about getting 25 sacks on the season. It's honestly a little bit inspiring what Miles Garrett's doing. The fact that he's playing this hard on the Browns. That should... Well, he's getting paid a lot of money. Yeah, but there's a lot of guys that get paid a lot of money that play for bad teams that stop trying and stop caring.

2:07:24Miles Garrett, say what you want about the Browns overall or how much money he's making. He's earning every penny of his contract right now, which is crazy. It is pretty nuts that the Browns, in the last 20 years, you could make the argument had two of the best, I don't know, three or say five two of the best five players all time at their position with joe thomas and miles garrett that's true that's pretty insane and they like that that's that's got to be frustrating yeah those guys are hall of famers and like premier premier at their position and nothing to show for it i don't like how jerry judy was yelling at chador though by the way when i say nothing to show for it they have something to show for it the browns yes yes yeah they personally do they personally a lot to show hall of famer yes in the conversation to be in the mvp conversation yes uh but you see jerry judy talking to shador on the side yelling at him yelling jerry judy you gotta there's some tape on you jerry judy jerry judy up your booty but i guess i like i don't know i like the fact that they're they're communicating at least i don't think that he talked to dylan gabriel that way i think you could just say whatever you want and then and then afterwards just be like, yeah, we're passionate.

2:08:39We want to win. We're frustrated. Yeah. I think when Dylan Gabriel is in the game, I don't think that they get that passionate. That's true. He's holding them accountable. Well, it's Hawaiian time. That's true. It's a little more relaxed. That's true. So, yeah, the Browns, congrats on continuing to play hard for that defense. The 49ers, I think since there's no really good teams, they're Super Bowl contenders. Yeah. This is the year that they do it. The Niners, if they make the playoffs, they go to the Super Bowl. Yeah. Let's just check DraftKings real quick Whose line is it anyway? We got the Ass Bowl next week Titans versus the Browns I love the Browns in that game I don't know what the line would be I'm going to say Where's the game?

2:09:20Cleveland Cleveland Browns minus 3.5 I know the number Oh wait Hank knows it too Browns minus 1.5 Nope Browns minus 4.5 Really? Whoa Oh, they're daring you. Wow. They're saying you won't. What's the over under? 36 and a half? What is it? 30. I can't see it. 33 and a half. That's ass. That's ass. I like the over based on my numbers. 33 and a half. Damn. You know what? Ass bowl. I think I like the Titans. Yeah, I like the Titans in the over. That's a lot of points for an expected total of 34 points. Yeah. Four and a half is a very large percentage of that amount of points. Although you could just see the Browns should do this doing his thing and like going up seven, nothing game over.

2:10:14Yeah. Okay. Afternoon games. Seahawks 26 Vikings zero. Don't have a lot on this game other than Max Brosmer is not it. No, Max Brosmer is a great insurance policy for JJ. I feel like the cobwebs are going to be clearing up pretty quickly for JJ after today. I feel bad for Max Rosmer in the fact that I hope he can continue to be a backup, but this was his chance if he played decent to have a long career as a backup. He threw four interceptions. Not all his fault. A couple were tipped. One of them was the worst. One of them was the worst interception. I also, Hank shared the stat with me that if you spike the ball every play, you'd get a QBR of 39.6.

2:10:59Max Brosmer's QBR this week was 32.8, and J.J. McCarthy's QBR last week was 34.2. So that's the quarterback play that's happening for the Minnesota Vikings right now. The interception that you're talking about on the fourth and one, I've never seen a more Carson Wentz play in my entire life. He learned that from Carson Wentz. He just was like, fuck it. I'm going to hope this works. I'm going to just contort my body. And you know what? It's fourth and one. We should be applauding him for making an attempt, unlike Shador. It's the anti-Shador. You went for it. That's essentially a punt. You just got a punt returned for a touchdown against you.

2:11:32He was just saying he threw a grenade. He did throw the grenade. Yeah. But the funniest part of that interception wasn't the pick, I don't think. It was the sad attempt at a tackle afterwards, the little belly flop that he does on the ground to try to reach out and get him. Didn't quite get there, Max. Going into this game, I did a little bit of reading on Max Brosmer and what to expect out of him. And the report out of camp for the Vikings was that they really liked how calm he was that was the that was the number one thing that they said about the guy that he's calm that he's calm that he's very calm do you think it's he's calm because he's like i know that i it's not gonna work or what why is he calm i don't know but that's that was the if that's the number one trait that you can point at in one of your quarterbacks and be like i love how calm this guy is you should probably bet against that person the nfl is not a calm guy sport yes uh by the way I have a fun Max Brosner stat for you.

2:12:28So he was through for 126 yards, four interceptions, zero TDs. That stat line has happened before, and it happened in 1950 by Tommy Thompson, who played for the Philadelphia Eagles. Tommy Thompson was blind in one eye. Oh, that's tough. Because he served in World War II. Thank you for your service, Tommy Thompson. Thank you, sir. So that was the last time that 126 yards. He had no depth perception Interception was a guy with one eye That he couldn't see out of Yeah, he had no depth perception whatsoever So he couldn't see linebackers You know who's also got no perception whatsoever? Steve Mariucci Who said that Max Brosner was going to throw for 485 yards today I appreciate the call by Mooch though Yeah Like thank you for being the one person to go out there Although it's kind of mean Because I don't think anyone had any expectations for Brosner Until Steve Mariucci said hey you should expect this guy to throw for 400 today yeah yeah and and it was the first time the vikings were shut out since 2007 they had the third longest streak of not being shut out 294 straight games yeah so it was bad it was bad and really credit the seahawks defense sam donald wasn't great today no brian flores blitz the blitz the fuck out of them jsn they could never get on the same page but the seattle defense is very very good and if you have a guy who's making his first start they're gonna make you pay and that's what happened is this a blueprint game for how to slow down the Seahawks I think there have been enough blueprint games out there regarding Sam Darnold yes but this is the blueprint it's like just blitz the fuck out of him make him scared and then hopefully he won't dice you up and he was kept was Kevin O 'Connell actually correct because he showed that Sam Darnold wasn't very good yeah yeah maybe he's right maybe so this is a prove it this is a prove it for him yeah uh the Vikings feel like quarterback Max Brosmer is going to be more mentally prepared than what they've had this season according to jeremy fowler espn that's a shot at nine that is a shot at nine should we buy max brasmer stock you have you have nine stock i might buy max bras i think my nine stock just it went to the moon today i'm gonna buy max brasmer stock i'm gonna buy the dip he might not get back in though right but he then he can't throw interceptions cfl cfl cfl will be good cfl ufl Do you think nine's coming back?

2:14:52Nine's going to come back. Vikings fans are very, very frustrated, and I see that, and they have every right to be because it feels like this was a completely bungled season that they didn't have to have. And Justin Jefferson's pissed off. He left without talking to the media. I get Vikings fans being like, this is bullshit how this season has gone after last year. We're saying that maybe they just need better wide receivers in Minnesota. Maybe they need to go out there and get nine some weapons this offseason. They need to get him some weapons. Maybe you expect him to do it all on his own. Get him a couple playmakers at wide receiver and watch what he does to this league.

2:15:32I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Vikings fans, yeah, it sucks. It does suck. And it does feel like Kevin O 'Connell might have outsmarted himself a little bit. Yeah, stayed at the blackjack table a little too long. Might have outsmarted yourself just a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say so. Okay, next up, Raiders and Chargers. This game we can go quick, too. Chargers are better than the Raiders, no duh. Raiders are eliminated. Raiders are, I think, the worst team in the NFL. Their offense is so bad. Gino did throw, like, when he throws to Brock Bowers, it works, but he got sacked another five times. Ash and Jenny, their offensive line is so bad, Ash and Jenny had 15 rushes for 31 yards.

2:16:16That's hard to do. Yeah. That's hard to do. yep and they're just horrific i don't know what to say like the raiders are just a horrific horrific watch right now and the chargers are much better and the chargers were able to run the ball well which helps justin herbert who broke his hand which is like a very classic chargers that's a that's a very chargers like postgame they dominated the raiders the run game looked great justin herbert didn't get killed oh and he broke his hand yeah so that was a so chart that was Unfortunate for the Chargers. They didn't have to. He didn't even have to be in the game, really.

2:16:50Trey Lance, I think, could have beaten the Raiders all on his own today. Yeah. The Raiders are a big-time bummer. Last week, I did not feel this way, but I've been thinking more about it. I'm not so sure now that Pete Carroll comes back. No. And it might be a mutual thing. Yeah. Where he's just like, I don't really feel like doing the whole rebuild here. Because it's not an instant fix. It's not. They thought, well, they put Greg Olson back for the third time, I think, being the offensive coordinator for the Raiders. Olsen with an O. Olsen with an O. But yeah, every like four years, they bring him back.

2:17:19Two O's. They have him be interim offensive coordinator. Yes. It doesn't look like it's worked any better this time than it has in the past. I was actually thinking maybe we're not giving Tom Brady enough credit here. Four? Maybe Tom Brady just, he's a competitive guy. Maybe he just hates this. He hates Pete Carroll so much from the games that he played against him. That he's like, you know what? I'm going to hire him to be my coach and then just give him absolute dog shit to coach with. Torture him. And just torture him for a couple years. It's, he can't be having fun. He's not having fun. He cannot be having fun.

2:17:56It's, it's, they're a tough, tough watch. And now we have, I, do you think, I mean, you have to beat Trey Lance. Justin Herbert's saying he's going to play. Yeah, but he wasn't able to go under center. That's a big deal. Like for how the Chargers want to play. Justin Herbert, by the way. Big dumb pick guy. He is a big dumb pick. It's tough for me to say because Jalen Hurst threw a big – that was a normal pick. But, I mean, it's a – That was a great pick. He was a big dumb pick guy. Yeah, he was trying to just throw as hard as he could to Ladd, and Ladd was very covered. Yeah, into the corner. Yeah.

2:18:33Justin Herbert, though, he is now third all-time in terms of yards thrown, passing yards in his first six seasons. He's now only behind Peyton Manning and Patrick Mahomes for first six seasons. So he passed Dan Marino. He actually probably will. He'll pass. He'll pass Mahomes. He'll be second all time if he keeps playing the rest of the season. Pretty crazy. Yeah, he's pretty good. And the run game for the Chargers looked good today, too. Yeah, really? Every time I looked up, Vidal was just running down the sideline away from people. Yeah. Okay. We have the Bills. 26, Steelers 7. Bills back on track.

2:19:14I actually think, is there a chance that the Bills woke up when the refs did not call a roughing the passer or whatever it would have been because Josh Allen slid and they hit him late? It felt like the Bills woke up from that. So the Bills in the first half, here's what their possessions looked like. Interception, punt, punt, fumble, field goal. And then when did he get hit? Bills in the second half. When did he get hit? It was the last drive of the first half, right? And the whole team went crazy. Was that the last drive of the first half or the first drive of the second half? I'll look it up.

2:19:48Okay. But in the second half, the Bills possessions, fumble recovery for touchdown. Killed Aaron Rodgers. Touchdown, touchdown, field goal. Yeah. So they only had three real possessions in the second half. Touchdown, touchdown, field goal. It was just one team made an adjustment at halftime. The other did not. Yeah. Well, I mean, the Joey Bosa sack and then scoop and score, that basically ended the game for the Steelers, even though it was only a one-score game. Yeah. But still, yeah, it was the last possession of the first half. I think that might have been the start of the championship. So that was their field goal drive.

2:20:27Yes. That was their scoring drive at the end of the first half. Where they went on a pretty nice long drive. I think Jim Nance said at one point they had the ball for 30 real minutes. Yep. Which was pretty crazy. But yeah, the Steelers are a disaster. A disaster that's kind of still in it. So they're 500. Yeah, because it is like Tomlin. Tomlin feels like he's truly finally on the ropes. And I actually agree with Steelers fans. You need something new. This is the same team every single year. That's when he beats the Ravens. Yeah, so he's 500 right now. Steelers are technically behind the Ravens right now.

2:21:08But that could switch. Yeah, it would be really funny if this is the first year he goes 8-9 and they're like, yep, you're out. You're out. You can't do it. You know what I think the Steelers should do? They should – I know the Rooney and Mara families are very close. Yeah. If they called up the Maras and they said, hey, you're looking for a coach. Let's trade. Let's trade. Make me an offer for Mike Tomlin. He could probably convince the Mara family to trade a first-round pick for Mike Tomlin. What about Mike Tomlin for Jameis? So that was my idea going into the season. The Steelers need to do something to just clean the carpet.

2:21:47Correct. Change everything. Jameis would be the one guy that could take that offense and just make it look entirely 180 degrees different from what it is. But if I'm the Steelers, I would try to be like, hey, you want to trade for my coach? Give me a first-round pick for Mike Tomlin. I feel like the Giants would kill to go 500 in a classy, dignified way. Yeah. Like the Marys like to do every year. Yeah. Yeah, you'd be in it. You'd be in it. You'd be in the conversation. Your franchise would be stable. Here's the problem for Mike Tomlin. And I have, I think probably like the last couple years I've come around when Steelers fans complained about Mike Tomlin.

2:22:24I'm like, you know what? You're right. Because it does look the same every year. and they haven't been able to figure out pretty much since Big Ben hurt his arm, they have not had an answer at quarterback because then they trotted him out when he was clearly not the same guy and everything since then. They booed Renegade today. Yeah, that's tough. When the Steelers fans are booing Renegade, it's over. They're saying you guys don't deserve Renegade. It's over. You can't boo Renegade. You got to earn Renegade. But I actually appreciate it. This is booing Renegade. And afterwards, Aaron Rodgers said that was a boo-worthy performance.

2:23:01He admitted to it. And also, Aaron Rodgers, he said after that, like, what a reporter asked, like, how do you guys get on the same page? He's like, some of the guys have to come to all the meetings. So apparently some guys are not showing up to meet. He said when there's film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check to a route, you do the right route. So he's trying to throw people under the bus. without saying their names but i that performance i think it's time to start throwing people under the bus people will i can't believe i'm sitting here kind of defending aaron rogers but like if there's ever a time it's when you're six and six and you had that type of performance at home and you can still make the playoffs and you can still make the playoffs this is the time to start calling people out there were a couple passes that he threw that it was it was just very clear that the sealers receivers did not run the correct place they ran they ran like a short under instead of running more of a vertical route.

2:23:57And Rodgers threw a great pass to where his receivers should have been. So, yeah, I'll defend Aaron Rodgers. That must suck for him. This is maybe your last season. You'd like guys to put in at least the bare minimum amount of work. But I don't even think that if you do – the Steelers' offense is just so boring. I know. That even if you do put – I still think that their ceiling, their absolute ceiling, is winning a playoff game. I do not. They can get in. I don't know if they can win one. they'd have to play a playoff team. They can ug it up. Nobody's good in the NFL, though. I understand, but the Steelers are not good.

2:24:33Yeah, but there's a lot of good teams that aren't good. Yeah, I don't see it. A lot of good teams that aren't good. What were you going to say, Max? What was our debate, PFT? I think it was Jets to make the playoffs or Aaron Rodgers to win a playoff game. I think both are equally as likely. The Jets to make the playoffs? Well, let's see. If the Steelers, if they were in the Ravens spot right now, I know they're not in the playoffs, but... The Jets are playing better football than the Steelers. They are. Yeah. Who are the Ravens... Like, who would they be slotted against? If the... If the playoffs started today.

2:25:08If the playoffs started today, they would play the Chargers. And they would lose. Maybe. That's like the one team. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Like, there's no good teams. The Chargers lost to the Commanders. Yeah, but that was with Jaden Daniels. Colts or Bills definitely losses. Yeah. They just played the Bills. They just played the Bills, but they... Oh, they did beat the Colts. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know if... I don't think they're going to get in. You're confusing me saying that the Steelers are a good football team with me saying that they're capable of winning a playoff game. That would constitute a good football team.

2:25:46Not necessarily because there's a lot of bad teams. A playoff game means you've got to get to the playoffs. You've got to get to the playoffs. That part is going to be the part that I don't know if they can get to the playoffs. In that division, I think it's open for a team to finish 9-8. Yeah. They still play the Ravens twice, so that's just going to be how they decide it. Yeah. It's going to be there. And the Bills, so TJ Watt said after the game, he's never seen a team run the same play that much and have that kind of success, talking about the Bills just running it down their throat. And that's what they did.

2:26:17They just the bills the bills when they can run the ball are scary because it's like hey We don't need josh to be superman all the time. James cook is really fucking good And then they'll get into those short yardage situations and have josh be able to use his legs when he needs to bills are just pretty much trying to Stay the course get healthy on offense. Keon Coleman did score a touchdown today. That was good to see. Yeah Yeah, he's coming back. Did you notice what happened in the game with the the nfl expedited review? there was a face mask the refs threw a flag for the face mask okay he goes out to midfield makes the announcement face mask defense 15 yard penalty automatic first down upon further review there was no face mask penalty he just said it he just said it like right after he announced the face mask the nfl has some weird shadow review policy i know they have their expedited review that they can use to overturn egregious stuff but we don't know what goes into it we don't know who's making the call we don't know when the refs are being spoken to by new york yep we don't know what they're looking at what they're seeing what they're not looking at more importantly we need the acc crew we need either they show us that the whole behind the scenes it's the like epl where you get where you get to hear them and watch them do the diagrams and shit but just for a referee to to not even really take a breath and to be like actually what i just told you for psych yeah just kidding guys we're just gonna psych that one out i there needs i need to know more about what's happening behind the scenes i'd agree this is weird this is how goodell sneaks stuff past you yeah yeah he does it and then we're like all of a sudden hey we have just uh robot arms i don't mind them getting stuff right because obviously it was not a face mask i think he grabbed like the ball or the top of his jersey so they got it right but it's just mostly they gave up the game and now we know that there's some weird shit happening in real time and we don't know what's happening they've there's some closet where they got everything going on yeah okay last game rowback question rhoback.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase qsips polos hoodies joggers shorts rowback.com promo code take pft my rowback question for you is are you happy the commanders lost that game in the moment i was rooting hard for a win i wanted to win because for me i i needed to see that Dan Quinn had not lost the locker room.

2:28:39That the team was still playing hard. Because I need to have some good feelings. Pulling out a win like this would have been a lot of fun. Jaden coming back maybe next week. Jaden on the sidelines watching. Now when it comes to that, they talked about that on the broadcast tonight. Because in the first half, Marcus Mariota was not playing. Mariota? Mariota. That was Mike Tirico's Italian accent. And Chris Collinsworth started doing it too. I think he heard mario doing the italian thing he's like that sounds fun of mario that bothered me so what happened was in the first half he wasn't playing good and then they talked about jayden and how he's practicing ready to come back and he wants to come back when he's healthy i'm very i'm glad that jayden wants to come back and play i personally do not want jayden back playing this year i think you got to let players play it's like joe burrow yeah it's like joe burrow i like the fact that they want to come back and play yeah you can't you can't you can't have if he's fully healthy.

2:29:32You can't be like, you're just not going to play the last five games. Then I was thinking about it. I was like, how would Dan Quinn be able to tell Jaden that he's not going to play without ruining that relationship? Also, the whole locker room. The whole locker room. Like, if Jaden Daniels is healthy, he's going to tell everyone he's healthy. And then they're like, yeah, they're not letting me play. Yeah, but I thought the commanders played hard tonight. They did. The defense showed a little bit of life for the first time in a long time. It was an entertaining game. It was a very entertaining game.

2:29:56The offense. Having Terry McLaurin on the field makes this look like a completely different football team. Yep. Like it's totally the offense looks competent when he's out there. Mariotta had some strange plays. I don't know what goes through his decision-making process sometimes. But he's, I guess, not a terrible backup. I am happy that they lost the game, but in the moment I really wanted to win. So I think scoring at the end of the game in overtime, going for two, that was the right move. Who gives a fuck if you lose it? We are officially, I think, out of the hunt now. I saw us on a stray in the hunt graphic at the start of the day.

2:30:32Yep. And that was kind of nice to see for a second. But no, we stink. We're not very good, but we played very hard. You're not one of the worst teams. We played very hard tonight against a good team, a very good team. I don't know if there are any very good teams. We played very hard tonight against a team that is at or near the top of their conference's playoff race. They're in the one seed right now. Obviously, the Patriots have to play on Monday night. The Broncos are 10-2. The last four times, or the only four times, the Denver Broncos have started 10-2 in a season, they've gone to the Super Bowl every single time.

2:31:09Yeah. So, just a weird stat. Bo Nix is... That pick made no sense. That pick was crazy. But then he makes plays where that throw that he made where he was falling down was an incredible throw. It was amazing. And the drive in overtime was a perfect drive. So, Bo Nix continues to confuse me, which is fine. I think that's just my relationship with Bo Nix. It's going to be complicated at all times. The pick to Bobby Wagner was, I have no idea what he was looking at. It was crazy. I think he didn't see him. Bobby Wagner can't move. Maybe Bo is like a T-Rex where his vision is based on movement. Bobby Wagner was just standing perfectly still in the middle of the field.

2:31:45He just threw the ball right at him. Yeah, wait. Can we see the Bobby Wagner pick? Because I think maybe... Wait, that's not the Bobby Wagner pick. That's Bobby Wagner trying to keep him. That's Bobby Wagner being slow, yeah. That was Bobby Wagner being really slow. Okay, wait, go back. I think maybe he didn't see Bobby Wagner behind his offensive lineman. Because that, yeah, I think maybe Bobby Wagner wasn't in his line. But it's crazy. Who was that ball being thrown to? I don't know who 13 is. So he's underthrowing 13 by about 9 yards? Yeah. I don't know. I think that maybe it was a scheduled throwaway.

2:32:30I have no idea. It makes no sense to me. It was Pat Bryant. Yeah, but it's complicated with Bo Nix. I'm not bashing the guy. He wins football games. I just, it's complicated. I mean, usually Bo Nix sucks for the first, like, three quarters, and then he's great. And he was good in the overtime. But today it was like he was pretty good for the first half, some of the second half, stunk in the fourth quarter, and then he was back to being good bow in overtime. Threw for 321. I mean, I still like him in theory because he does make plays with his feet and he takes shots. But, yeah, there was Marcus Mariota through 50 times tonight.

2:33:13That's not a winning formula. But you agree that with Terry on the field, it looks like a completely different team. You guys were taking deep shots that you thought had a reasonable chance of connecting. Yeah, actually, I'll say this. I like all the deep shots that Mariota took. He just overthrew all of them. Yeah. If he had a good long-range arm, I feel like we'd win that game going away. But at least he was taking shots. Yeah, it was a good defense. You put up a lot of 26 points and a lot of yards against a good defense. You guys might win some games down the stretch. You might play spoiler.

2:33:49The defense looked pretty good today. Who are you going to spoil? You could spoil the Cowboys. Eagles are going to split with the Commanders 1 ,000%, and I already told them that. No, Max, no way. You could spoil it. 1 ,000%. Max, what you saw tonight, this was like— Oh, you guys played twice? Yeah, twice. Split. Oh, no. What you saw tonight from the Commanders, this was as hard as that defense is going to play. They were playing in primetime after getting embarrassed in front of national audiences. they just came back from Spain, had a bye week, and they just heard America talking about how bad the defense is.

2:34:23Dan Quinn had the guys playing as hard as they're going to play for the rest of the season. Now if Jaden comes back, who knows? That's what I'm saying. Jaden will be back. And Tim McLaurin's back. Congratulations, PFT, on having your last primetime game. Yes. That's got to be nice. I love that. Thank God. This game should not have been on primetime, Although I'm glad that it was. It was a preseason. It was a fun game. I feel like they don't flex. They don't use the flex. Because there's so many, like, oh, CBS can block it. There's so many blocks. When they tell you it's all flexible, that's some bullshit.

2:35:00It never is. We need a fully flexible NFL schedule. It should be the NFL schedule should be like college football. They don't tell you the times of the games until two weeks out. That would be great. Imagine that. How awesome that would be? They just pick the best Sunday night football game every year? Make it all flexy, yeah. Every week? Now, Traylon Burks also had one of the best catches of the season tonight. He had the one-handed catch. Incredible. Over Moss. I think he Mossed Moss. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. That shit was awesome. Do you know about Traylon Burks' backstory? Well, he was on the Titans.

2:35:34He was on the Titans. I thought he was going to be very good. I did too. But before that, like coming out of college, I did not realize he's a hog hunter. He kills wild hogs with a knife He went to Arkansas right? Yeah but he is actually like He takes a knife and then goes out with his dogs His dogs find wild hogs And then he jumps on them and he kills them with a knife We talking black hog down? We're talking black hog not helicopter hogs No I love those videos They are crazy but imagine that Just with no helicopter and no gun Just like he's like Rambo out in the middle of the forest with a knife And he just jumps on their backs And kills them That's badass.

2:36:12That's pretty badass. I also feel like 50 % of the people who kill those hogs do it just because they can well actually anyone who's like, oh, why would you kill these hogs? Like, actually, they're the worst fucking things in the world. 30 to 50 feral hogs run through your backyard. They fucking ruin everything. They have no, you can't even eat them. They're gross. Yeah. I mean, they are a problem. They're a nuisance. They're a big time problem. They'll root around for all your stuff. Because people like to do that where they're like, yeah, you, it's kind of like shooting deer. Oh, don't shoot the deer.

2:36:40Do you know what would happen to the deer population if there was no hunting? And if you did not kill all the hogs. Hogs are dangerous, too. Hogs will run your ass over. You'll kill your cat. Yeah. I don't know if they'll kill cats. But not when Traylon Burks is around. That's pretty badass. He's the only man standing between us and chaos as a society. Good for guys like him. Agreed. But I do want to see who the hogs are on this team. Not so that he can kill them. Like the hogs, like the way that the Redskins use the term. Yes. We're on hog watch for the rest of the season. Yes. Okay. That was week 14.

2:37:13We're going to talk some college football during who's back. Let's do who's back. I'm sure we'll touch everything. Who's back of the week is brought to you by twisted tea. Who's back of the week is sponsored by twisted tea and the holiday season officially back. You've got your Christmas parties. You've got the hometown bars and you've got the family members you haven't seen since last Christmas. So you need something good to drink. Our go-to is twisted tea for whatever the holidays throw at you. it's smooth and refreshing made with real brewed tea and isn't carbonated which is the uh key to keeping you going all day long without feeling like you're going to explode so make sure to grab a few cases of twisted tea this season and whatever you do keep it twisted we love twisted tea i love the original i love the peach pft likes the half lemonade half tea go get a twisted tea today it is this is listen december's uh go to holiday parties and hang out and and have a couple drinks month.

2:38:08If you got Christmas coming up, don't be a Brandon Walker or Big T. Get a Twisted T. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand that. That was the craziest take ever. Which one? Brandon Walker and Big T saying that they don't have a sip of alcohol during Thanksgiving or Christmas. Not even if they don't have it at the house. They would be offended if someone came with a bottle of wine to Thanksgiving. Offended by it. Offended. That part's crazy. Insane. I'm a big live and let live guy, so I don't care if someone's drinking or not drinking but to say like you don't like no one can drink on thanksgiving it's crazy it's crazy that is nuts you're sitting and watching football all day i agreed with you you said you have like a couple beers until you start eating and then you get to me everything every thanksgiving i do the same thing i start i have as soon as the first game kicks off i crack a beer and i'll have about five or six beers and then we eat after the lions game my house so it's around three o 'clock and then i eat some five or six beers deep have a nice buzz eat done drinking for the day because i just feel like shit the rest of the day because i eat so much i i switch from beer over to liquor during dinner and then i drink wine with dessert yes yeah i just get heartburned if i switch off something else i do like five five beers beforehand yeah then with dinner i'm more of like a mixed drink whiskey guy and then afterwards does i'll have two of those drinks and then afterwards maybe like two or three glasses of wine but you gotta have you go through all the phases of being drunk yeah they don't drink anything did you get banged up no you should have a couple though i had a couple yeah yeah you have a couple i'm not saying i i think it would also be i mean getting like blackout drunk and in a family function is a little weird but you have to have a couple yeah it's not it's it's in moderation all right hank who's your who's back um who's back is it's real college football and virtual college football coach duggs yeah sell blue coffee still blue coffee so here's what i'm doing i think we're i think we've sold i i said on sunday morning uh if we do a thousand orders in the next day and a half i will bring back coach duggs for the college football playoff i will do the whole bracket we'll pick the wednesday before thursday before we'll do what'd you say what'd you say almost you know we should play with the guy who gets those PS five or Xbox.

2:40:28Oh, we could. Yeah. That's a good idea. Oh, now that's a good idea. So, uh, go to sell blue, coffee.com golden mug. We're giving away four PS fives, four X boxes. You have 20 % off almost, uh, or a lot of the coffee in the store. We have the new ready to drink cans and I'll bring back coach dogs. So go by, you have all of Monday to do it. That's a good call. We'll find someone to, someone who wins a golden mug. We'll play with them. I'll do the bear. I can watch a Bears-Eagles game. Oh! I feel bad saying no to that. Maybe we'll put that on on the Doug stream. But you have to buy PMT stuff too.

2:41:07Yeah, so PMT, we have this. The hats. This is just a full ad for our store. The Hank dog pulled out. Those are coming back. Those are coming back, buddy. We're ordering a lot of those, buddy. They're back. The amount of people who wanted that. I actually feel bad for the AWLs. I'm sorry. I brought them. We sold 500 Hank dolls in a minute and a half. It was that fast. I brought my dog to the doggy daycare for when I was away. Comes back into the apartment first time after five days. Literally sprinted straight to the toy. I had so many people over at my house Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and they all got to meet the Hank doll, and they all loved it.

2:41:45They were like, who is this man? He seems so nice. Dogs love him. I apologize to AWLs. we should have realized how much people love the Hank doll. We are getting a lot more in stock. We'll have them ready. We don't want to have you buy them and then not get them for like a month. There's a wait list. So we're going to wait. There's a wait list. Once we get them, we'll re-release them. What a gift. So 20 % off the attire. We have New Part of My Take Hats. I also blame Hank for the fact that we don't have enough Hank dolls. False. You guys were in the conversation. No, Hank, you've been telling the merch people this whole time no one's going to buy them.

2:42:17We've been trying to counteract the narrative. I did not say that. You never said no one's going to buy them? Not to the merch people Do they listen to the show? No Yeah, fucking no Wrong Pilar is for sure listening right now And she's going to text you yelling at you You're taking money out of our pockets right now, Hank That's on them and you guys That's a nice hat, though I take no blame This hat is great And this hat's on sale If we buy enough of those hats, I'll watch that game That's just fake I won't say that number, but I don't really A good, solid target if you buy enough of them. What about real college football?

2:42:55Just fun stuff. Do you want to jump off to something? Cal. Cal. Cal game. Yeah, how about Telly, huh? Iron Bowl. Yeah. Lane Kiffin? Arizona State. Who won that Cal game? Cal. Cal. Against who? SMU. No. SMU. Yeah, it was rivalry. Rivalry. I didn't know Cal. Yeah, SMU was a rivalry. Cal SMU, huge. UCLA plays USC. Best uniform matchup. Teams need to do the colored uniforms against each other, not like one team in whites. I do think it's funny, though, in rivalry week when you've got Cal against SMU, ACC rivals. Yeah. That's why we watched college football, baby. But, yeah, it was a great weekend of college football.

2:43:43Yeah, we're going to talk about a lot of the college football rankings and the playoff, the big stories lane. Yeah. And it's pretty much the most. It's the most Lane Kiffin that Lane Kiffin has ever been. And that's saying something because this is a guy who and listen, we've had him on the show. I would love to have him on again. So he has been fired on a tarmac. He was left Tennessee after a year while everyone was really pissed at him. Al Davis did like a PowerPoint. It was about him. It was not so much a PowerPoint, really, as it was an overhead projector. press conference yeah where al davis's face was falling off yes and then he brought out the old school overhead that he had like little slides printed up for that he would then put on there to project explaining the reasons why he was firing lane kiffin yeah but yeah he got fired from uh or let go relieved of his duties from alabama amid a championship uh in the middle of the playoffs so this this has happened a lot before and this is the most link lane kiffin does not exit quietly no so apparently what i i think what i understand from the whole situation lane kiffin has essentially been the lsu coach for a week and a half two weeks maybe even longer and the only reason he has not left to lsu is that he wanted to coach his team in the playoff which they were going to be in the playoff he wanted to coach them in the egg bowl which they won and Ole Miss was basically saying are you in or out are you in or out and then finally after the Egg Bowl uh they had long meetings Marty Smith I think lives at Ole Miss now he lives in Oxford and Lane Kiffin was like yeah I'm out and then said who's coming with me and said everyone get on the plane who's coming with me took a couple guys and everyone at Ole Miss is very upset at Lane Kiffin now which rightfully so people are mad and he was also apparently stringing Florida along a little bit yeah and then florida said credit to them they said we're out of the lane kiffin business because we've been dealing with irregular communication from lane i would like to know what that communication was like where they're like this is just this has gotten too weird so we're out which is pretty much what they said we also think things i'm i'm uncomfortable with the way that lane kiffin is communicating with me i don't think he's serious therefore i'm out lane kiffin wanted to coach ole miss through the rest of the season if you could and his statement after he left made that clear that he wanted to stay there some of his players wanted him to stay there but then the athletic director and the president of Ole Miss did not want him correct and I don't blame the president of Ole Miss at all at all for saying I'm not going to have a rival coach hang out with our team form a deeper bond with our team and then take those players with him when he leaves our team, which he has already signed a contract to do.

2:46:37Correct. I don't – there's got to be a way that Lane Kiffin could have stuck around to coach that team that he cared so much about through the playoffs, right? Yeah, he could have signed the extension. He could have signed with the team. The other thing is I think the only mistake that Ole Miss made is they should have just told him to leave before the Egg Bowl. They should have been like, get out. You're clearly gone. Just get out. You know what I mean? That was their only mistake. So that way you have Pete Golding, who seems like everyone's rallying behind, and they said he's going to be the permanent hire.

2:47:09Should have had him coach the Egg Bowl. They probably were nervous that they might lose the Egg Bowl and then blow the playoff, which I get that. The whole thing is messy. The whole thing is very Lane. That's the other part of this is Ole Miss fans have every right to be upset. I think Ole Miss AD did the right thing in being like, no way are you going to coach this team in the playoffs. Like that never should. That's crazy. Lane was Lane to the most lane he's ever been. And you knew that when you took him and he got you to the playoff and had great success at Ole Miss. And this is where the whole hoe, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife controversy happened where a reporter down in Oxford said that.

2:47:53And Ole Miss then or then Lane went up to him after the game was like, you called me a hoe. very funny very college football there is some truth into it that this is lane does i think i saw a quote that lane is the only guy in the world who tries to burn a bridge while he's still standing on it yeah and i love it but i love it for college football because he is so interesting for college football this is it when you first hired lane you had thoughts in your head about what's the what's the best way this could go correct and then you had thoughts in your head of what what's the worst way that this could end up and this is probably the worst way i'm struggling No, this is probably the worst way.

2:48:31Going to LSU, in no world was he ever going to go to Mississippi State. No. But I think Ole Miss knew that this probably wasn't the end of the line for Lane. And that when he left, it was going to be messy. It was going to be ugly. And it was ugly. And it was messy. They left his clothes out on the curb. They took all the clothes that Lane left in his office. And they said, get your fucking suits out of our offices, Lane. It's also all like college football fans and rumors and speculation. Who knows what's true and what's not. But they're just airing out dirty laundry. Oh, yeah. The bird of a bird is going crazy.

2:49:03They were just like spreading rumors and stories, scuttlebutt, stuff that basically seemed like they were covering up. And then all of a sudden, he's gone. Like, all right, here's all the dirty laundry. Yeah. I don't know if you did that on purpose, Hank. But the choice of phrase, putting out his dirty laundry is perfect. Yeah. Because he did. Yeah. Quite literally. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like this is a fair play on all sides. And I don't mean that like, I feel bad for Ole Miss fans. I think Ole Miss fans have every right to be upset because you have a playoff team and he's leaving them. But again, you got in the Lane Kiffin business and the Lane Kiffin business has, has ended this way a lot of times.

2:49:43I don't know if there is a destination job for Lane Kiffin, like a place that he wants to just coach for the rest of his life. He's probably going to get sick of LSU at some point too. And the second the NFL calls with a serious offer, if he feels like things aren't going so well down in Baton Rouge, he'll probably pick up that call. And I like how interesting he makes. He's a wild card. And he's out for lane, and it's fun to watch. And obviously, if I were in the position of he were my coach who was leaving like this, I'd be so pissed that I wouldn't think it's as fun to watch. And if you're Ole Miss, you have that thought in the back of your head.

2:50:24You've been a second-tier SEC program for a long time. Lane Kiffin elevated you up to a place where now you're able to compete for national championship. And then he treats you like you're a second-tier program on his way out, and that probably pisses you off, and it should. Go win the whole thing, though. What if they just go win the whole thing? I know they probably can't. They're in it. Yeah, they're in it. They're in it. You could. It'd be fun. but yeah p colding i saw the it felt like everyone rallied behind him there was a lot of the defensive coaches didn't leave so you have a lot of the same coaching staff you know go fucking win the whole thing and lsu is like lsu is the perfect spot because lsu doesn't care they just want to win football games yeah like they're they're watching all this stuff happen watching all these stories watching lane leave and as messy as possible and they're like we don't care we just want to fucking win yeah yeah lane wins he'll probably do that to us at some point and guess what if we get results that's all that matters he's a good football coach i mean the whole system of college football the fact that now is the time of year when you have coaches that are leaving that are in the middle of a playoff or the playoff discussion they're currently slated to be in the playoffs and you can look at old miss lane kiffin you can look at schools like north texas you look at schools like Tulane, they're losing their head coaches before the season's over.

2:51:44And that sucks. That's a bad spot for the sport to be in. I don't really know how you get out of that. Well, the one way to get out of it, and this is I'm not defending Lane in any way because he did handle this not great, I would say, to put it lightly. But the one thing that you could say in defense of a coach having to leave is that the schedule just makes no sense. The fact that the transfer portal and the early signing day all happens in the next couple of weeks. Why? Why? Just fucking wait till the... I know they have to do it on the semesters, but what the fuck? Is this big-time college football?

2:52:19Stop pretending that it's by the semesters. Just figure out a way to have the season end and then the things happen so that all this doesn't happen every time. But then what would stop a coach from just being like, I quit? No, of course. Of course. Of course, but at least – It's a shitty spot, but yeah, the schedule – But if – so here's what I'm saying. If the transfer portal and everything happened after the playoffs, I would think that Lane Kiffin would be like, I'm coaching this team and I'm not going to – if LSU wants me, they can talk to me after the playoffs are over. Yeah, you could try to put a rule in place saying you can't negotiate with a coach that has a job until like a certain date.

2:52:57Jimmy Sexton would come up flying for people. I'm sure that they would follow that rule. Who's Penn State going to get? I don't know. It's somebody different. It was Kalen DeBoer for a while, and then they won that game. It was Lincoln Riley for a hot second. Lincoln Riley for a little bit. Now it looks like the BYU coach. Yeah, Taki. Maybe Dable. There's another name. I don't know. Whatever. It's probably going to be Terry Smith. Almost lots of Rutgers. He had the Joe Pup pin, though. Yeah, it was Joe Pup. Yeah, it's Joe Puppet. It's Joe Puppet. It just doesn't. The calendar sucks. Yeah. This sucks.

2:53:37I know. I actually agree with you, Big Cat. That's what I was getting at earlier. It's like the way that it's set up right now. Yeah. This is what's going to be normal. Yeah. This is going to happen. Oh, of course. And it sucks. And I don't really see a way out of it besides an ironclad change in the calendar. Yeah. Which I think is going to be very hard to enforce. Correct. But yeah, the situation, I feel bad for Ole Miss. I mean, you still have a team in the playoff. Go win the playoff. and you just got lamed like this is it's not nothing that Lane Kiffin did in the last week can be shocking if you know anything about Lincoln yeah and I mean that in like the best way where it's this is just how he operates and it's it's fun to watch and he makes the sport more fun he'll probably be good at LSU he'll probably win games he'll probably have some you know crazy message board shit and it'll be it'll be fun like i'll tune in because the sport is fun when when you have guys who have weird quirky you know whatever lane is yes he's all he's a perfect guy for college football he's the perfect guy for college football so i i do stand with old miss fans though you have every right to be pissed off but again you're you're in the playoff so you gotta i feel like you get like a couple more days to be mad and then when the playoff bracket comes out, you got to get focused.

2:54:56You got to get ready to go. Yep. Lane Kiffin is the monorail salesman from the Simpsons if the monorail salesman delivered results. You're going to get some results from Lane Kiffin. Yeah. Okay. Who's your who's back? It's also college football related. Just Duke football. Duke in the ACC championship game. Duke. Nobody thought Duke could make it. We talked about the Armageddon scenario even going back like two weeks and there was an armageddon scenario that played out in the acc where they had to go to all the different tie breakers and somehow duke duke gets in i know you said you were done with duke i am they're not done with you they suck duke's not done with you so now i want them to win it's gonna be duke against uva in the acc championship people are big mad i saw i think it was nicole arbok tweeted out she doesn't care about the rules for the acc the conference should step in and put miami in the acc title game i understand what she's getting at yep because there's a there's a chance that if duke wins they're not going to make the playoff and then the acc won't have a representative and that's bad for the conference so i understand why she said but if you put rules out there if you if you have a tie-breaking system in place you can't just forget about that yeah we'd have chaos well the the other the the problem here is this is all and this is where college football is starting to to lose the plot is this is the problem of the super conference where the the super conference have we have duke and miami who i think i think they had like two common opponents yeah in their in their conference i mean it's so stupid yeah and that was too many teams in these that they use and duke who is not a good football team but they could be they could end up being an all-time great football team yeah i'm a i'm in the brotherhood this week can we just can they can someone smart Or just someone.

2:56:46Brotherhood is Duke football, by the way. That is the brotherhood. Well, we're making it to the brotherhood this week. Get in the brotherhood. Are you in the brotherhood? Of course. Do you have any Duke gear I can borrow? Yeah. Give me all the Duke gear. I don't know why someone hasn't just figured out, like, why can't we just have divisions in these fucking mega conferences? The mega conferences are too big. Make divisions. Maybe they're not big enough. But, like, if the Big Ten has 18 teams, right? Let's say we get two more teams. It's 20 teams. Make four divisions of five teams. You play everyone in your division.

2:57:22You play a couple other teams in the other division. The number one team in the division, there's a four-team Big Ten playoff. And then you play in Indianapolis. And then it's, like, if you're going to just do the NFL, just do the NFL scheduling. You could have two mega conferences, and then each of those mega conferences has four conferences. Yes. Four divisions in them. Just do it. Because then you get at least some of the localized, you know what I mean? Like you have a division where it's Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC. You make the Pac-10 basically again. It's just so stupid. If the NFL had this system put in place where you just had to debate and argue your team's way in.

2:58:01It's crazy, man. I actually think Texas, the Lions are Texas right now. The Lions or Texas. The Lions or Texas right now. Yeah, Texas. I mean, Texas. And now we have, yeah, just college coaches having to, after a win, be like, we should be in the playoff because of this, this, and that, and just forgetting to say, and we also lost a four-win Florida team. We lost to Florida. Yeah. The whole sport is just so crazy right now, and it makes no sense whatsoever. And we're going to have a lot of debates coming up because there's a lot of two-loss teams, Notre Dame and Miami. I think both should be in, but you have to have Miami.

2:58:37I mean, not, you know, over Notre Dame. I did a little bit of a troll this morning because I was bored. I just did my top 12 teams for the college football playoff based on the metric of I have bad or good losses are better than good wins. And people got very upset. So, like, I had BYU over Texas Tech, even though Texas Tech killed BYU. BYU lost to Texas Tech. That's a really good loss. Texas Tech lost to Arizona State, who's not even ranked. It's bad loss. Right. Strength of loss. Strength of loss. Whereas Notre Dame losing to Miami actually was better for Notre Dame than Miami. Notre Dame losing to Miami and to A &M.

2:59:20Two great losses. They might be number one. At Ole Miss, I had ranked ahead of Georgia because Ole Miss lost to Georgia. Great loss. Georgia lost to Bama, who lost to Florida State. That's a bad loss. Now I'm confused. Georgia lost to Bama. Yep. Bama has two losses, and one of them is a bad loss. Yes. So that's a bad loss for Georgia. That is a bad loss to lose to a team that lost to Florida State. Ole Miss lost to Georgia. Georgia is a good team. That's a good loss. Now, what about Ohio State and Indiana? I almost put Oregon over Indiana because that's such a good loss for Oregon to lose to Indiana.

2:59:55Indiana hasn't lost. They ain't lost to nobody. I was so close, but I thought that was maybe a little too far. Well, you do learn more from losing than you do from wins. it was basically to prove a point when people are like well Notre Dame in Miami like the game shouldn't matter it's like yeah the game should matter they should matter that's why you play the game you know what this is I still think is better than a 14 playoff yeah because at the end of the day if a team does not make the 12 team playoff you can just be like you lost too many games yeah whereas it seems every year if it's a 14 playoff you will have teams that have the same number of losses that are relatively comparable losses and relatively comparable wins and you will just debate and there will be a team that is probably deserving that does not get in this way it's just like you know what maybe bama should have lost two games also none of this is me complaining because i think that having the ability to debate all this stuff in a time in the calendar when it's cold out and there's not a lot of sunlight and you're sitting around and maybe you're in like work parties or family parties where you don't want to be this is what you should be doing He's debating losses.

3:01:04Yeah, and I actually think Michigan had the best loss. Yeah, so that was my who's back is Ryan Day. Okay. Ryan Day got the monkey off his back. I was going to go the other way. Yeah. Michigan lost the battle, but they won the war. Correct. By not permitting Ohio State to plant a flag at midfield. If you're a Michigan fan, you have to be completely embarrassed that that was actually said afterwards, right? Like, not only did you get killed, and, like, that was coming eventually. You're not going to win every single rivalry game. There was a moment in the first quarter I was like, is this going to happen again to Ryan Day?

3:01:38When Julian Sane threw that pick, I was like, oh, no, it's happening again. You're not going to win every rivalry game. But to come afterwards be like, yeah, we were making sure that they couldn't do anything with the M. We're going to protect the M. that means that when there was the game was still going on michigan players were talking on the sideline about protecting the logo yeah that's so pathetic well is it pathetic big cat because the national anthem of the united states is a little ditty called the star spangled banner and it was written about the flag still standing after a hard-fought battle in the war of 1812 a war in which we some would say we we lost a lot of that war but it's not a flag it's a logo it's the logo around it's which is meant to be which which flag is which was run on all game that's a that's what a flag is they defended their banner it was stepped on that all game that right there is something that i think michigan should be proud of the fact that after the game was over they were tough there were a bunch of tough guys after the game they were tough There were a bunch of tough guys out there.

3:02:49Credit to Ryan Day, too. That was a smart move by him. He's like, we're winning with class. Yeah. That's got to bother Michigan men. We're not going to make this about the M. Yeah, because Michigan men do think that they win with class. Is Jack back there? Jack. Jack is a Michigan man. Jack, that was the most pathetic thing ever to say that they were making sure no one touched the M. Would you agree? Yeah, that was stupid. Okay. All right. The M still stands. and also ryan day with the subtle troll of one of one of the meanest declining of a penalty where there was a holding penalty on second and five and they gained mission gained no yards and he declined it and was like no we'll just go third and five instead of second and 15 because you're not going to get five yards and they didn't yeah that was just embarrassing that was such a ryan I'm happy for Ryan Day.

3:03:44And also shout out all the crazy Ohio State fans. I saw one guy tweet. He's like, see what happens when you post a guy's address? He goes and wins the national championship and then beats Michigan. I thought that after that 50-yard touchdown pass in the second half, there was no chance that Michigan had to even come close to getting back in that game. They had like four yards of offense in the second half. Yeah. Most of their offense was on the first play of the game. I know. After the first run of the game for Michigan, the Michigan fans probably felt pretty good. Yeah. And then they had a guy that headbutted a ref, didn't get kicked out.

3:04:18I would like to know what reasoning the ref had for not throwing him out of the game. Yeah. Because apparently you can just do that. Crazy. It was crazy, but it was two different levels of team playing. It was not close. Yeah, Proton Don on Twitter. I do not condone this, but it was a funny tweet. Just another example of what is possible. by posting your head coach's address to Twitter. A bunch of people were crying about it, but look at us now. not good. College football is crazy. College football is crazy. Credit to Ryan Day for not trying to do the thing where you just play Michigan football to beat Michigan football.

3:04:53Yeah. Play Ohio State football. It's a pretty good brand of football. And Julian's saying it's pretty damn good to throw that pick at the beginning and be like, that crowd was fucking crazy. Yep. And he just didn't blink. Okay, Zach finishes off. We'll talk a lot more college football. I think we're gonna have Brandon Walker on Wednesday. We're gonna do college football rankings. We're gonna talk about all this. I'm sure we'll have some more hirings, firings. Kentucky fired Mark Stoops. Michigan State hired Pat Fitzgerald. Alex Golish to Auburn. Everyone's mad about Arkansas's hire. Silverfield from Memphis.

3:05:25Yeah, Summerall to Florida. Mincy tried his hardest to get Summerall to go to Ole Miss. Couldn't get it done. That's not on Mincy. You're still on the phone. It is on Mincy. He could have done more. It's not over yet. He could have done more. Okay, Zach. My Who's Back of the Week is also college football adjacent. more so college mascot football adjacent even more so same game brutus with the all-time celly in the snow yes that was awesome that was fantastic where was michigan defending this he x'd out the m he did that's that's pretty bad that's really bad that's not the m but still that's a m big m it's a big m it's big m i'm having a hard time defending that yeah you should have somebody should have gone out there and speared brutus when he was standing on the m yeah where was big nut was he there does big nut go to away games uh yeah he does he's always you just wanted me to search big nut on twitter yeah can you look a big nut jack i have one last question for you jack there is a um there's there's there's a theory that basically what michigan did last year created a monster would you trade lash if ohio state goes and wins the national championship this year are you like fuck we we probably fucked up with the whole flag thing and and and how everything went down because ryan day has not lost a game since yeah i think that was stupid yeah so it's is are you a little worried that maybe like what if ohio state never loses a game ever again yeah that would suck yeah i i agree that would suck but that that's on the table right now we'll see how many years like 10 years of never losing so jack is it like in the last 10 years what's your record against ohio state four and six well covid four and five yeah is that is that right yeah yeah okay so you can say like last five years obviously you've dominated the rivalry yeah as a whole last 10 years no ohio state last 20 years ohio state last 30 years oh how uh michigan had some 90s i feel like they were how far back you have to go where it flips again and you're like in the last 50 years who's on top of that rivalry 90s michigan dominated i think 80s it was like split yeah but even at that point they still own the all-time record against you even if you go back to like 1990 1990 until now yeah i think so yeah no we have we have all time yeah i know yeah i know that's what i'm saying how far back do you have to go to get to that point again after five years probably like the 40s no no if you go back to like seven like mid 70s you guys dominated in the in the 90s and a lot of the 80s so i bet you you would oh yeah yeah yeah you would you would be able to just say like yeah basically 1975 on last it did have a nice run there yeah there's a lot of blue in there i mean it's great rivalry weekend's the best i would i would imagine yeah like 1975 1976 and then you guys you guys won a lot when uh you're playing like the ymca yeah we did i've done that before but michigan will be back right if they fire the head coach, yeah.

3:08:57You know what? Credit to Michigan for scheduling Ohio State. That's true. Michigan should still be in the conversation to get into the playoff. Yeah, you're right. Like, what if you guys had played Rice today instead of Michigan? Yeah. It's a good point. Thank you. You could have easily played Charlotte this weekend during rivalry week. Yep. But you decided not to. You played Ohio State. So, credit to Michigan. You nut it up. Biff Pogey might have won that game. Yeah. He actually was the Michigan looked better when he was the head coach. Yes. Okay. Good show, boys. Good to be back. He's just like chomping at the bit.

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