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27:45It's all the way down to 5.5 to 1. Yeah, it was a very sharp play. I cashed out because Hank immediately was like, I can't believe that he's doing this to me again, and I didn't want to see my boy Hank go through. Listen, I beat up on Hank pretty good during the Super Bowl run. I broke him, and I didn't want to continue doing that. I like how Hank and I, our relationship has gotten better since the Super Bowl. I didn't want to go down that road. I want this to be a spring of friendship. So I cashed out of the - Coward. Oh! Coward. It's back on, but it's going to be back on. He called you a coward.

28:18It's going to be back on in much, much worse ways. I just want you to know that. Like, it'll get worse. It's going to get worse. It's going to get worse. What's the worst ways? I'm not going to tell them. Okay. I just want you to agree to it getting worse. I don't agree to anything. I didn't agree to you or disagree with you taking the future, but - You called you a coward. You cashed out. that was a coward. I cashed out the next day because you were crying about it. I was not crying about it. Hank was crying. You cried about it? I came to work and he was crying. I was not crying. So you thinking Soupy?

28:48Zach, he was crying, wasn't he? You saw him cry. I didn't see any. He might have cried. I don't know. But there's been false claims of crying before and so he could have not been crying. Are you thinking championship? You got it. I mean, the way he came back and looks, it's not that he's, The fact that he's back is nuts, the fact that he's back and also looks like the same guy is mind-boggling. He looks the same, and they're obviously already second in the East. Missoula is such a good coach. And like I said, I think the fact, it's not like some players, they get injured, they have a big injury like that.

29:23They kind of go away from the team. He's been around the team. He's been watching every game. He's been in the locker room, been in the film. He's been able to see kind of how he can step in and still help the team get better, which is huge. I think he's facilitating well. he's going to be able to step up and have his moments, but he's also not forcing it and trying to take over because when your team's already second in the East, you don't need to come back and be a superstar. Jalen Brown's team. Come back and help facilitate. Jalen Brown's team. Yeah, but actually I think the funniest now would be if he – like if he gets – if the Celtics win the NBA championship and he gets finals MVP, then Jalen Brown's out.

29:59Jalen Brown's not going to handle that well. Yeah. Did you see Jalen Brown's – I disagree. I love Jalen Brown talking about it. It's like they're in lockstep. But they don't listen to the media at all. And it's just great to see them talk about it because he's just happy to see his friend back doing what he loves. Did you see Jalen Brown's quote about how he thinks he's the best two-way player in the NBA? Yeah. So good. He said, when I say I'm the best two-way player in the league, it's not counting Wemby. He's not even human. I'm the best human player. It's a great quote. Yeah. He is. He's the best human player.

30:32Wemby is not a human. He's a regular guy. Yeah. Wemby, by the way, that was awesome on Friday night. Talk about crying. Yeah, I liked it. Same. I thought it was cool. So Wemby, they had back-to-back games. Wemby also had, earlier in the week, like one of his best friends went missing for, I think it was like maybe 12, 24 hours. He was actually in Chicago, got dropped off the airport, didn't board his flight. Like kind of scary. Wemby was posting about it. So his friend got found on Tuesday, played on Thursday 1, played on Friday. they were down 25 come back and win uh and he was crying after it was like this is awesome because he just seems like the a guy who just loves basketball and he's an alien he's an absolute alien yeah uh i was actually looking at the mvp regular season mvp odds there's a good chance that like the top two guys or the top three guys aren't eligible yeah they're eligible like we're on we're on games missed watch.

31:31Oh, yeah. Big time. For like what? Shea, Wimby, and Jokic, right? Yep. That's why Cade is, I think, pretty high up in the odds. Do you guys trust the Pistons? No. I don't trust them. But here's my one big desire for the NBA postseason this year. I would love to see the Celtics and the Sixers go at it. Yeah. I think that would be great. I'm down. Yeah. It would just suck. The whole team's hurt. Two to the head. I would just love that. Two to the head. I love it. Is there a world where that can happen? Yeah. Yeah, the Sixers are eighth seed. They make it. Yeah, they may not make it. Oh, play-in.

32:07Max, if the Sixers are on the play-in, would you prefer that they just lose that? What's the implication for your draft picks? Because I know you and OKC have something going on. Dude, the play-in's fun. It's so fun. The play-in is not fun. You complain about the play-in every year. I would like to not be in the play-in. The play-in is so fun, dude, because you get to play in and then get your ass kicked. Yeah, like the Sixers suck. playing Paul George honestly playing losing Paul George is like ruin the season he'll be back I guess yeah he's suspended he's not hurt they suck Jerry McCain's balling he is balling I never wanted to get rid of Jerry McCain we're going to talk about it with Alex Caruso and whether he'll do a tick tock with him in our interview coming up all right should we talk some oh wow I would just hit a three to tie it against Nebraska that's a good game the college basketball the bubble the bubble is bursting everyone on the bubble on saturday final regular season weekend of the year pretty much everyone who was on the bubble lost and uh now it's becoming a slop fest to see who's going to get in the the tournament auburn at 16 and 15 is just like the the the basically the poster boy of we don't need more of this yet they keep somehow surviving all these teams losing and being somewhat still alive.

33:26So on Saturday, it was Virginia Tech, Missouri, SMU, Cincinnati, Cal, New Mexico, Indiana, and Auburn all lost, all firm bubble teams both on the right and wrong side. And now we have a mess. Indiana's on the right side though, right? Wrong side. Indiana's on the wrong side? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're in trouble. They're in trouble. The monkey's paw is curling up in Bloomington. They're like, I hope that my team is good at football for once. And it's like, what's the cost going to be? Yeah. Well, you're just not going to make the dance. Yeah. But we have some conference tournaments that are happening, which is awesome.

34:01We had the LIU fins up. They're officially in the dance because they get in on the stupidest technicality in all sports. They're playing in the championship game against Mercyhurst. But Mercyhurst is a Division I team as of like a year ago. So they can't be in. Fins up. We had, I think it was Northern Iowa's back in the dance I love school This is what I love about March too Is when you have a team that has done one big thing At any point in their history It just, the nostalgia comes Washing back Like if Valpo gets in, you're like Oh, Valpo's in Northern Iowa's in that category Uwe Pooey, when they're in Yeah, it's just like, this is fun Because you just know There's memories to be had San Diego State Yeah, but San Diego State, very Final Four.

34:50But yeah, Northern Iowa, and we're going to get to relive all that. So they're in. A bunch of teams have gotten in, and now we have Conference Championship Week, which I'm very excited for. What did you think about the clock operator in the BU game? I thought it was more crazy that Navy just didn't play defense on the final possession. But yeah, and now there's a lot of people complaining about the – this is something that I've noticed that has jumped up this year. I don't really take too much credence into it, but people complaining about teams, conferences, one-bid conferences not sending their best team because their best team gets upset in the conference tournament and being like, we've got to rework this.

35:33Why? That's the best part. Yeah. Is that you can just win. Everyone's still eligible all throughout the season. You can still get in. Yeah, chaos is what makes March March. We're not going to be missing out on any of the teams that can win the championship, but we might get some crazy ones in there that really have no business being in the tournament, but that's fun. That's what makes sports fun. That's what makes March fun. I like how upset Miami is making people, continues to make people. So Miami, first of all, that game Friday night was unbelievable. Miami of Ohio versus Ohio. Like just everything you want in action, high scoring.

36:07Middle fingers. Big intensity. Yeah. I don't know about the middle fingers if you're a guy who didn't play in the game. I guess too much. Bench mob, whatever. Yeah. It's the most aggressive bench mob in the country. Rivalry game. Yeah, rivalry game. Miami of Ohio is so simple to me in that they should 100 % be in now that they've run the table and won their 31-0 and they won every conference game. It's also okay to say they've played absolutely no one, which is totally fine. Their non-conference schedule was dog shit, but it doesn't matter. To me, it doesn't matter. If you win every game in your conference and you're 31-0 on the last weekend of regular season, you should be in no matter what happens in the conference tournament.

36:47They're not even favorites to win the MAAC conference tournament. Akron is. They keep beating really bad teams by very small margins. They've won a lot of games against awful teams by small margins at home even this year. How many teams in the top 200 have they played this year? Let's see. I'll pull it up right now. I know their non-conference schedule was very bad. They're 90th on Ken Palm. Yeah. In the top 200 or top 100? Top 200. Yeah, because they haven't played a team in the top 100. Oh, no, Akron is a top 100 team. So they did beat Akron top 100 team. Top 200. They Wright State won two, three.

37:30Now we're doing the Francesa. Four, five, six, seven, eight. eight teams in the top 200 that's pretty hilarious and uh like i said only one team in the top 100 they're they're non-conference schedule they beat teams like trinity christian indiana east and milligan listen one thing we're not going to do on part but i don't care they should be in i do not care one thing we're not going to do is insult a team for having beaten a bunch of terrible terrible teams when it comes playoff time that's not that's not in the dna of this show but it's so funny because everyone everyone's in fits where it's like you have to you have to decide which side you are on here, and I feel like you don't.

38:07You could just say Miami of Ohio deserves to be in. 100 % deserves to be in the tournament. I actually think it'd be really funny if they gave them a one seed, being like they're undefeated. But they deserve to be in. They also played a shitty schedule. And a lot of it wasn't their fault. They tried to schedule a bunch of these teams and they said no. We could have Miami-Miami in the first round of the playoff, right? Yeah. Like the way that these two teams are shaking out of the bracketology? Yeah. I think. I don't know where. I think my. Yeah. Maybe in second round. Miami, Ohio is 11 right now.

38:39And Miami is eight. So now things would have to. Well, if Miami, Ohio wins the Mac, they might get up to a nine. Yeah. That would be. I would like. And also, I hate people being like, can't wait for them to get their asses kicked in the tournament. Why? They're a fun story. We've lost our love for March. I don't like it. I saw someone throw out a crazy take that was like, we should make the tournament 32 teams because the other 32 have no business being in it. And it's the whole idea is to decide a champion, not Cinderella. It's like, no. No, no, that's not it. Absolutely not. That's not it. It is different from football.

39:17You can have a much worse team like any given game in the tournament. You catch fire. That's what we remember. That is literally why we love March. Upsets early, good teams late. Give it to us. I'm a little worried, though, because we are getting some – back to the conversation about the conference should be sending their best teams. It is like having these moments early on where you have some big-time upsets in the conference tournament. It does make it a little bit easier for the first four seeds in the first round because you just have – You get like a 14 and 15 team as the 15 seed. They're not going to win.

39:56a game yeah and is it the stat i think i i pulled it up here the other day yeah i got it right here you want to be if you're thinking about like second round wins you would much rather be a 10 or an 11 than you would be oh yeah a nine seed yeah i mean that's or an eight seed i mean that makes perfect sense you don't have to play the the number one seed yeah yeah i saw someone saying that like it was novel and being like wow i've i've just found this crazy thing you don't want to be on the 8-9 line. No, you don't. 8-9 line is terrible. But yeah, I pulled up the... I mean, there have been times when, you know, the one seed loses in the second round.

40:31Now, you do want to be an eight seed. Like, that does happen. If you're in the final four, Max, if you want to be... It does happen. Where was that? Where was that? I can't even say that. Oh, right. That was sandwiched between two national championships. Wisconsin beat Villanova when they were one seed. And it was the year before they won a national championship. Yeah, no, I know. It was stupid of me to take a shot there. But I think eight seeds have a great record in the Final Four once you get to the Final Four. What do you mean? Just because of Villanova? Just because of weird luck over the years.

41:01Yeah, eight seeds, I think, have like a... Well, I think it's just because of Villanova in 1985, right? I think there have been a couple other eight seeds. I'm pretty sure UNC was an eight seed, right? To win it all? Butler 2011, Kentucky 2014, North Carolina 2022. But those teams didn't win it. Only one to win is Villanova in 85. Oh, to get to the Final Four. No, to play once you're in the Final Four. Yeah. The semifinal game. Butler, Kentucky, North Carolina. They all won as eight seeds in the Final Four. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So there you go. So you just got to get there. You just got to survive.

41:29And then you're guaranteed to win as an eight seed. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about Caleb Foster.

41:38Walking. Are you? Walking. Yeah, I'm talking to you. Or do you, are you, do you accept my sorry? I don't, but I guess I will. Because it's not true. What do you mean it's not true? He's in a walking group right now. He's going to be out for it. I'm sorry about Caleb Foster. He got hurt against UNC. You can't even say it with a straight face. What do you mean it's not true, though? What do you mean, dude? I want to turn it. Nolan Winter got hurt, and yeah, the Badgers did just go and win in Purdue, and that was cool. Without Nolan Winter, hopefully it gets better, but I want injuries off, dude.

42:04All right, then I accept it. Okay, great. I don't believe it. I want injuries off. I think Shire said he's going to be out for the entire conference tournament. Yeah. At least, right? Yeah. So what do you mean it's not true? Big Cat apologizing is not true I disagree with that too He said he was sorry What are you mind reader I am a face reader And he's a hater I mean Duke is so good it doesn't matter But I'm sorry We got two guys in walking boots right now Yeah You wanna put me on Why don't you find that puncher Oh my god I gotta punch your foot If you don't put your foot on me My dad's a lawyer I'll sue you Can you arrest a ghost

42:44I apologize Duke looked great yesterday Even without Foster for most of the second half Yeah They were fucking awesome And it does in the big story In terms of seeding is UConn has probably lost their chance at a one seed Marquette Hank called it He did You did call it What if they go on a run Credit to you I love when you do this When it's like Yeah I watched Eddie College basketball So you throw a take out there. I don't even know why you said Marquette. Max was looking for value. And then boom, right away, Hank's right. They beat UConn. I was laughed at. You guys laughed in my face. Yeah, we did.

43:20I did bet Marquette yesterday. So I at least came around before tip off. I bet him against spread. I didn't have the balls to do Moneyline. The Hurley double box, just both of them freaking out at the same time was great. I love the angle that Dan Hurley took when he was getting in the ref's face. fully leaning over. I think he was putting like 50 % of his body weight via his forehead on the back of the ref's head. And then his explanation after the game was great. He's like, I was just screaming into the back of his head. I didn't know that we weren't allowed to do that. Yeah. I didn't see what the problem was there.

43:51He should have gone to tech earlier. He got it with like less than a second left. Doesn't really help. He was doing the smooth criminal into the back of the ref's head. Yeah. I love it. I love it when the Hurley's get this fired up. Oh, man. So, yeah, that was the big shakeup, though, because now it feels like UConn's going to go to the two seed line. Florida's going to be a one seed. And conference championship week. Just so fucking excited. You guys also see the celebration that is probably going to be replicated many, many times. The three-pointer and then shotgunning the three-pointer. Yeah.

44:23That was by Kansas bench guy, Wilder Evers, who's a perfect name for Kansas bench. I think he's played in six games this year, but he shotgunned his three-pointer. Is he from Kansas? I don't know. It's a great Kansas name. Wilder Evers. Yeah. That one's going to go. That one's going to go. Or Georgia. That could be a good Georgia name, too. Let's see. Wilder Evers. Let's see where he is from. Alabama. Birmingham, Alabama. Wilder Evers. Played six games this year. He's averaging 2.8 minutes. And I think that was his second bucket of the year. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Dude, he's got to be so sick to be like the 14th guy.

45:03the 15th guy on Kansas. How awesome would that be? Especially this time of year. Well, just think about it. We got a guy here we can talk to about. Yeah. You're going to get to just watch a shitload of college basketball games for free. Not only that, but you... Like really good games. But if you go to Kansas or Kentucky or Duke or UNC, as long as you're a decent hang, you're going to be best friends with an NBA superstar. Yeah. You know what I mean? For the rest of your life, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, I got his name. Yeah, like his number. We were at the Final Four. I think that was in Arizona a few years ago.

45:41And I'd taken a lot of mushrooms that night. And I was tripping pretty bad. We were at the bar. And then all of a sudden, Greg Oden just pulled up to hang out with Titus. Yeah. And meeting Greg Oden for the first time when you're on mushrooms is not a great. It's not a wonderful experience, to tell you that. No. He's a big, tall man. By the way, I think Nebraska is now doing fins up. You can't do fins up. I mean. They are. They're doing fins up. You know, I know a couple guys that went to Nebraska. I don't think it's beneath them to be copying. Yeah, that's true. This is very. They're doing fins up for the free throws.

46:15Will Compton just hit up the student section and was like, fellas. I just invented this thing. I got a great fucking idea. It's called fins up. We should try it. It seems so sick. I love Will. What else we got for college basketball? Max, where are you at? You feel good about Villanova going? I mean, they're fine. I kind of want to bet. If anyone wants to bet with me. Make any noise. Bill and over to win the Big East tournament. I'm done with troll bets because people cry. It'll make people cry. Oh, so it was a troll bet. Oh, yeah. No shit. No fucking shit, Hank. Well, it was a great bet that you just lost money on.

46:48Yeah. This is not a troll bet because Max and I talk ball a lot, and I was talking to him before, and I said, I feel like they have a great draw, and you can't take one of the favorites. So I was like, yeah, I might sprinkle a little Nova to win the Big East. Yeah, I like it. They can't beat St. John's. The only way they can win is if St. John's doesn't make it. They can beat UConn. They can't beat St. John's. They just match up so poorly. What about if Rick Pitino doesn't do the white suit? They killed us twice this year. Yeah, that's a good counterpoint. That's a good counterpoint. I just wanted something to ride.

47:27I'm excited to see Matt I'm excited to see you back in the action Max I'm excited for Real Villanova basketball I'm excited for the tournament Real Nova basketball And I was saying earlier that I'm now at a place Because Wisconsin winning on Saturday Was awesome I didn't really expect it because Nolan Winter is out And he's very important But Wisconsin Do you tell me they go to the final four because they just torched everyone from three or they lose in the first round because they went four for 40 and I'd be like yeah I could believe either. There's such a joy to watch I don't care. Boyd is such an animal.

48:05He just took over the game late and Blackwell as well like they're just it's fun. It doesn't make sense that you've got Braden Smith and Lawyer Fletcher still playing basketball. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. But I love beating them on senior day. That was kind of nice. That was pretty nice. And this better be the last. We're not getting any more of them right? I don't think so. They're not coming back next year. Kaufman-Ren too pushing people into screens and then pretending he did nothing. Yeah. It's fun. Although it did feel a little bit like Purdue has – I think they lost five home games this year, so it really doesn't – like you're like the last of the party.

48:36You're last of the gangbang. Yeah. We showed up – we're like team 125 to the Bonnie Blue gangbang with Purdue this year. Everyone had their fun with Purdue at home. Doesn't matter. Had sex. Yeah. Did it. Everyone had a good time in Mac. Yeah. You can count. You check. That is a notch. That's Mark Davis' notch on your bedpost. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, listen, Wisconsin has three of the best wins of the year, probably. So play with anyone. That was also funny watching Stephen Pearl. He basically is 16 and 15 Auburn. He's just like, we beat Florida. Yeah, I mean, which is true. He did. They did. They beat Florida.

49:13You just need to keep reminding people that you beat Florida. There was a time when you beat Florida. Honestly, that's a hell of a point that you can make. You did beat Florida. Right before Florida figured it all out, you beat the shit. Well, no, you won by like two, but you beat Florida. You beat Florida, and then Florida was like, okay, fuck this shit. No, they won by nine. I take that back. Yeah, Florida has just demolished everyone since that point. So in watching Florida, you're right, Big Cat. They are dominant. They've been just crushing people. I love watching them play ball. Do you think that their style is tourney ready?

49:47Yeah. You do? Yeah, 100%. They don't have the guys that hit from the outside like they did last year. They've gotten significantly better as the months have gone along. They were hitting like 27 % from three in November. They're now back up. They're up to like 36%. They had a transfer from the Ivy League, Xavier Lee, who looked like he was overwhelmed early in the year. Now he's come back around Boogie Flynn. Like they have guys. All they have to do is hit. I know it's not all yet, but like 35 % is not crazy. If they hit 35%, I think they will be in the final four. I really do. In every game, though.

50:23Is that good? Well, I mean, they probably don't have to do it in the first round. Maybe not even the second round because they're so overwhelming. Okay. Any other stories? Do you want to talk a little golf? The Arnie? Sure. Gino Burger? That was sad. Sad? It happens. It's golf. He led wire to wire and then lost? He led wire to wire. Akshay tied it up on 17 and then won in the playoff. At the sixth major. I don't know if it's the sixth major. Fifth major coming up this week, players. Akshay, only 24. Scotty didn't get his first win until he was 25. Okay. So he's next up? Yeah, he went pro right after high school, so he's been on tour for a while, but it's impressive.

51:08I like this golf course. Lefty's on top. I like the golf course. I like the umbrellas everywhere. I actually looked that up because I didn't understand what did Arnold Palmer have to do with umbrellas? Why is that his logo? Do you know why? I don't. I know why he bought it. Or he just played it in the 60s and was like, I want to buy this. Oh, you mean the piece of land? Yeah. Oh, it's a fucked up, demented golf course that they just build holes around lakes. They're like, try to cut these corners. You can't. But I was interested to see why that's his brand logo, the umbrella. So I looked it up and he was having a meeting with some executives back in the 60s and they're trying to establish Arnold Palmer enterprises.

51:43Like, what are you going to do in terms of golf course development, your branding, et cetera, et cetera. And they suggested like two golf clubs that crossed, which I think is what Bryson ended up using way later. And then another one that was like a forest. And he was like, I don't like these. So they said, okay, well, let's take a break. And when we come back, we'll do some more brainstorming. Arnold Palmer stood up and then he looked outside. He saw a really hot chick getting out of the car and she had an umbrella. And he's like, fellas, I've got it. umbrellas we got to do umbrellas so he just got horny he got horny for a chick he happened to see and he's like we're doing umbrellas put that down and let's move on and it's been a hell of a logo it's a great logo you you recognize the logo so akshay next up don't feel bad for daniel burger nah i mean it's golf it's it's it's you got you gotta you gotta you gotta close it out yeah i love good guy i love the four aces uh them quizzing yeah that's me my who's back but yeah that i mean and four aces, they're all the way back.

52:40Okay, well, we can save it. Okay. We can save it. By the way, I wanted to shout out one, maybe our next goal key, depending on how they do from high point. You guys see this kid, Chase Johnston? He is shooting 48 % from three this year, and so he's 64 for 132 from three. He's 0 for 4 in two-point field goals. I love it. He's taking four shots inside the arc. They're too short. of them. It doesn't feel right. How awesome is that guy? It doesn't feel right. I'd need him to just go nuclear. Yeah. His name translates to Bonnie Blue. I'm curious of how many of those were like threes where his foot was on the line.

53:19Yeah. I hope all of them. Or it would be even funnier if it was like a wide open layup and he couldn't hit it. He just can't. His depth perception is off. What's his free throw? Free throw percentage for this guy. Let's see. Free throw. This is like our guy Scott Morris from UNH, remember? Yeah. For the free throw contest when we looked up his stats and we're like, oh, he sucked at free throws. He's like, dude, they never let me go inside the arc. Yeah. His free throw percentage is 100 % this year. Okay. And I don't know how many. Let me see. Let me see how many he's taken. He has taken. It looks like he is four for four on free throws.

54:01So he doesn't get to the line. Yeah. Because he's always out. That's awesome. So he's taking four free throws all year. And he plays like 10, 15 minutes a game. But still, that's so sick. This guy's life is pretty sweet. Yeah. Just go to practice. Stay in the corner and just get wet, buddy. Yeah. Okay. Let's do our who's back of the week. And then we will get to a great interview with Alex Caruso in studio. Iconic summer moments deserve an iconic drink. Reach for Mountain Dew, an American original. From its beginnings in the foothills of Tennessee, to your biggest summer yet. The refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew is the perfect companion to your American summer adventures.

54:43Enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew. Tasting great since 48. Look for Mountain Dew in stores near you at MountainDew.com. That's MountainDew.com. Hey, it's Hannah Montoya. Abercrombie's new summer drop is our latest obsession. There's tons of colorful swim, flowy dresses, and they just released new linen blend matching sets. Everything feels so light and breathable. It's perfect for brunch or rooftop happy hours. Just like you're on vacation. Shop Abercrombie in the app online and in stores. Hank, who's back of the week? Yeah, but who's back of the week is the Four Aces. I love that.

55:19Didn't see that one coming. Live Hong Kong. Who are the Four Aces? I got all the Four Aces. He's got them all. They won the team tournament or the team event. Jon Rahm won the individual event. First time winning on Live. Huge. Wow. Huge for him. You can't overstate that. That's a coincidence. And the four. Isn't it? What? He's kind of been rumoring that he's unhappy. He recommitted to live and then won. And then leave. And then all of a sudden he's like, oh, yeah, I won. No, it's interesting. It's a coincidence. Is it not? No. That's not a coincidence? I don't understand. He's the best player on the tour.

55:59But he hadn't won yet. No. And then he said he was upset and really didn't want to be here anymore. And then he was like, you know what? Where? Wait, he did not say that. No. Well, no, we picked up on the body language. No, he didn't. No, he did not say that. He did not say that. He chose to stay on live. It was highly speculated that he'd be leaving. Yeah. And then he's like, no, actually, I'm staying. Oh, weird. I just won my first one. I don't understand where you're going with that. He's not. You know exactly where I'm going. But, yeah, he won. It sounds like they're keeping him happy. Mm-hmm.

56:27So you're saying all the other players in the event. Maybe magnets in the balls? Maybe. Who knows? I think maybe they had some rings in them. Yeah. Really sad the Fanatics flag football thing isn't happening in Saudi Arabia anymore. That's tough. I don't know what happened. It's in L.A. now. Yeah. A lot of things. A lot of stuff going on overseas. A lot of things happened. We can get into it. Damn. Some trouble in the skies over Kuwait. I'll tell you that much right now. Friendly fire? Perhaps. 15 Eagles now 104-3. That's tough. We're having the perfect season. It's like Lenny Dykstra's stock picks.

57:02We're having the perfect season. 104-0. Lifetime. All goes away in the blink of an eye. All right, so Liv. Four Aces. Not coincidence that John Rahm won. Definitely not a coincidence. And not, yeah, now that we're talking about it, yep. Well, no, we were talking about the four Aces. Yeah, but if someone else wins on the... So who won? Like, we would not have talked... Who won the other? Who won the couple weeks ago? Anthony Kim. Oh, that's interesting, too. So then, let's see. Who would the next interesting one be? Johnson's got to win. Johnson might win. Did you see Tiger's team get the hole-in-one at the TGL?

57:33The best golfer of all time? Yeah. And our friend Max Homo on that team? Yeah. You mean Max's team? Max's team? Yeah. Jupiter. Max is... He can get any team to the victory. Jupiter GC. That's who I represent. Okay. Jupiter... Never mind. I'm not going to say the name of the fan group that I was inventing. What week do you think... I decided not. The big red spots. That's what we call ourselves. What do you think... What week do you think President Trump's going to win a live golf event? It's got to be coming, right? Well, I think iShowSpeed would probably get more numbers. Yeah. That's fucked up.

58:14So you just hate – a guy comes back, one of the greatest comeback stories of the year. No, I don't hate Jon Rahm at all. You guys are on this show with Anthony Kim. You guys are like, oh, great story. This is awesome. I don't hate Jon Rahm at all. I'm just saying it's a little – the timing is a little bit interesting that Liv is struggling. Who said he's struggling? Liv is buzzing. Everything has never been better. Dust is settled. Never been better. Brooks comes back. Our guys come home. And then, oh, now it's just the most remarkable. Oh, Jon Rahm, first ever win on Liv. Oh, Anthony Kim hasn't won in 50 years.

58:44He hasn't played. I think there should be asterisks on all these because they're playing 72 holes now. Like, that's not Liv Golf. Liv Golf, when I used to enjoy the sport, was 54 holes. And shorts, yeah. And shorts, yeah. Show me who's playing in Liv right now. I'll pick the next winner. Who was the winner after 54 holes? I'll pick the next winner. We're here to talk about the 4A. Oh, Phil Mickelson's going to win one. No. He didn't even play this week. Yeah, I know. That's exactly. They're getting him ready to. Oh, Bryson. Yeah, Bryson's got to win one for sure. Phil's going to win. Phil's going to win one this year.

59:14What about, what's his name? Cam. Cam Smith. Cam Smith will probably win one because he's kind of in the Jon Rahm situation. Yeah. People thought he would leave. He's like, no, I'm going to stay. Yeah, if you just say you want to leave, they'll just give you a win. Yeah. That's live golf, baby. Crazy. He never said he wanted to leave. You know what? I'm thinking about leaving Live Golf. Yeah. I've heard the same thing. I've heard the same reports. I'm thinking about taking my talents. We're here to talk about the four aces. Okay. And the fact they won team championship. First time in a few years.

59:44They're getting interviewed. Oh, that's interesting. The four aces. First time. The four aces that get talked about an insane amount on the number one sports podcast. They also won. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Huh? The script writers are going crazy. Who are the current four aces again? It's Dustin Johnson, Anthony Kim, and the Twin Toms. Okay. Wow. Easy to remember. Hey, who are the Twin Toms? Thomas Peters, Thomas Dietry. Okay. Twin Toms. The Twin Tommers. But after the win, they're doing a celebratory press conference. I'm assuming it was the AWL reporter asked Dustin Johnson, first time you've won since like 2023.

1:00:27Can you name the four aces? On that team. Interesting. And can we just play the clip? Dustin Johnson had no idea. He's like, ah. Which was the most relatable. I woke up and saw that clip, and I've never related more to a golfer in my life than DJ. And none of this is interesting to you. Being like, ah, Patrick Reed. Shout out to him. None of this is interesting to you. No. I think you're giving yourself too much credit. No, we're giving you too much credit. You. You're the guy. You're the four aces guy. You're the four aces guy. You're the live golf guy. What percentage of four aces discussion do you think has been brought to the table by myself or big cat in the history of this show?

1:01:05Most of it. Nah, we just ask you who's on the four. Yeah. Well, you're already talking about the live topic. You bring up the four aces and then we ask a very simple question. Yeah. Which is who are the guys on this team? And you're probably like one for, well, before the twin Tommers era, I would say you're probably like one for 30. And then knowing all that history, Liv Golf and the Jon Rahm history, Liv Golf was like, let's have Jon Rahm win and also the four aces. And then a question about who are the four aces that last won. Huh. And then also, I think that Liv Golf engineered two guys being named Tom.

1:01:41To be honest, Hank only had to remember three. Huh.

1:01:47Whatever. Four aces on top. It was such a funny clip. It was such a funny clip because it really was just our podcast. Yeah. Can you play it? The audio? Pete Reed was one of them. So, DJ, you may not even remember who you won with in 2023. It's changed so much. Who was it? Come on. In 2023? P. Reed was one of them. Sorry to see him go.

1:02:22Yeah, I have two more. Yeah, so that's just Hank. Hank Caven. And a lefty golfer won PGA Tours. Huge. Is that a coincidence, too? No, that hasn't. No. Okay. No. We don't talk about lefty golfers on the show. Got it. We're talking about the lift. There's a good video out, though, with lefty Lockwood. Yeah. Are people being nice in the comments section? I think so. I think it's fair. Fair. Half mean. Half somewhat nice. That's all you can ask for. Yeah. Okay. It's my who's back. PFT. Your who's back. My who's back of the week is... Wait. Oh, yeah. That's nice. People are being nice. The camera work is like the Blair Witch Project.

1:03:02Who did that? Oh, nice. People are being mean to me. Has Max ever operated a camera before? Oh. It felt like he was live streaming an earthquake. quake is max also going left-handed for this video i am left-handed kind of you know we got some we got some interesting half lefties people are right hank swing does look better lefty yeah he's not a better golfer yet left-handed but he will be a better golfer one day yeah facts and then there's a lot of stuff because i am i'm i am supporting my boy hank lockwood in his journey to being a left-handed golfer there's a lot of really nice stuff that i want to say about hank that i'm not allowed to say about hank because he got very upset at me for saying nice things about him in this video.

1:03:41And he had them edited out, and they were very nice things. Is that true? I was being nice. We had a, I mean, there's a pretty fine line. We've done this show for 10 years where it's like, when we say things before we say them, like, hey, this is off the record, like, not for content. Yeah. That's a preface. Yeah. And then PFT broke that. I was going through the video. It was literally the start of the video. But it was a very nice thing, right? But like it's not, I wouldn't have said, I would not have said, hey, let's not say this on air, this is not for content, and have you agree if I thought you were going to say it.

1:04:20For the record, I said it because I knew you were going to see it. Right. And then you were going to be like, I specifically told you not to say that. Yeah. Okay. My who's back in the week is Logan Paul backing out of stuff. Yeah. Because he's backing out of this fight against Le 'Veon Bell. Because he's saying that WWE has a problem with him getting into celebrity boxing matches. I think this is still part of the big work that he's putting on. And WWE is going to be like, yes, you certainly can do this. Let's also get him involved in the wrestling storyline. It did seem a little. Everything is a work.

1:04:47Everything in the news with if your last name is Paul, even the Tom Brady stuff, like when Tom Brady was talking to Logan Paul, we're all being worked all the time. So anything that comes out from a Paul brother, if he's talking about baseball cards, he captured Pokemon. He captured the internet for a few days and then weirdly got a call when he was live on air from Triple H being like, he can't do it. Yeah, we're all being worked all the time. So he's backing out of this, but then he's going to back out of backing out on this. And then the fight's going to happen. The fight's going to suck, and he's probably going to win the fight.

1:05:21And then he's going to be like, see, I beat a real boxer. And then rinse and repeat six months from now. Yep. Yep. That's exactly what's happening. We can just fast forward. The other who's back of the week is baseball. Oh, yeah, that was mine. Yeah. Okay. Well, baseball classic. Do yours. Awesome. Yeah. Schwarber hitting a home run got me in my feels. Like, this actually rocks. And then, like, Dominican, I think it was Puerto Rico, too, like the dances and just the fans going nuts, the crowds in Japan. Also, I don't understand why Chinese Taipei just has the best. Taiwan. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Taiwan has the best Little League team every year, and then their pros just suck.

1:05:57Yeah. I don't get that. It is interesting. But yeah, this moment, there's just been, that was the Dominican and Nicaragua game. It's been awesome. And they also did the schedule crack. I looked ahead. The semifinals and finals are on the Monday and Tuesday before March Madness begins. Yeah, which is perfect. Which is great. It's beautiful. Beautiful. You rarely see it in sports where they actually time it up well, that it goes Selection Sunday, Semis, Final, March. Because you need something those two days to get you to March Madness. Perfect. It's great having that there. Would you like it better if the All-Star break was a little bit longer and this happened in the middle of the summertime?

1:06:44Yes. I think that would be a better schedule. Just because guys would be better, too. Yeah, well, that's what they need to do for the Olympics. And is Scoobo coming back? I saw that he went he pitched his inning or two and then he was like I had feelings that I didn't know I had about the country and he's now trying to talk Scott Boris and the Tigers into letting him pitch more which would be awesome we all love the World Baseball Classic until somebody gets hurt and then people turn on it and then it's like why are we doing this Scooble said I didn't expect these type of emotions to run through my brain or my thoughts to differ I was committed to making a start and getting back to camp.

1:07:22Things have changed. Obviously, I'm going to have some conversation to try to figure out a plan. Love that. Need him. Need him. I want to win this thing. I want to win this thing. I would like to win it, but it's also good to have Aaron Judge as a scapegoat in case we lose. Yeah. It's all his fault. Yeah. And just prepare yourself. Like, if we do win, don't let that deceive you into thinking that Aaron Judge, he has not earned his pinstripes from this. He's earned stripes from the horizontal stripes, red and white stripes is what he will earn. Yes. But not the pinstripes. But yeah, the World Baseball Classic rocks.

1:07:51Yeah. Big fan. I mean, the walk-offs, it all comes down to the players caring about it. Yeah. And if the players care about it, then I care about it. Yeah, absolutely. And a lot, I mean, the guys who are not MLB players playing for their country care a lot. Yeah. That's where it gets, like, very exciting. Okay, Zach, you're who's back. By the way, Zach, how'd it go? How'd it go on the internet on Friday? I signed off for a little bit. I signed back on, though, today. And? We're back online. People have different opinions on all sorts of stuff. We're talking fame, infamy. It was a good weekend on the internet.

1:08:27A lot of guys had a lot of opinions, and I respect all those opinions. That's what the internet's all about. Were there some hurtful tweets? Yeah, there's some words regularly used. It felt like copy and pasted. A lot of guys were saying the same thing, and I'm not going to say what they were saying. I retweeted this one from Talia B, who's a sports reporter for Notre Dame. She said, just listen to the most popular sports podcast in the U.S. for the first time. And they spent a solid 20 minutes arguing about whether I show speed or Trump is more famous. That wasn't her first time. Also, not your first time.

1:09:00And second of all, we didn't argue. Zach tried to argue. We said what the facts are. Yeah, we just established a baseline of what I think any independent journalist such as yourself would understand as being our responsibility as journalists to just counter his claims with facts. I think if Zach and her - Talia, get ready for Mount Rushmore season. Had like a face-to-face at like dinner or something. He could convince her. Oh, yeah. You should go on a date with her. Sometimes you got to embrace debate. Would you be open to a date with Talia? If Talia was open. Let's start with a conversation. Conversation.

1:09:34Let's have a debate. Yeah, we're not calling her a date. It sounded like she, I'm just picking up the vibes. It sounded like she wanted to continue the debate. She liked it so much. I'm always trying to embrace debate for sure. I think she might be intimidated by how intelligent you are. Yeah. The integrity of opposing viewpoints is always fun. Yeah. That's the other part about Zach. I think part of the reason why it went so long is because Zach is the nicest person in the world to debate with. Yeah. He doesn't, nothing gets mean. He just keeps saying like, we all have differing viewpoints. But he's also tenacious.

1:10:06is the thing. Sometimes we're not going to be able to convince each other of the other side. Right. Which is kind of bullshit what he's doing because he's almost he's basically making us feel like he's gaslighting us to be like hey it's an even debate. It's not. Yeah. Zach let me ask you this. Globally I don't know. If I show Speed had a sports round table where he tried to fix college sports what kind of names do you think he could get to show up for that? Ronaldo? Ronaldo. Yeah. Messi. Yeah so like the biggest name in the world. Kevin Durant. KD. Yeah. They spent a good amount of time together.

1:10:38Yeah. That's a good interview as well if you guys want to check that out. Yeah, he'd have some guys. I don't know if the table would be round. It might be square. Big three in speed. And Tom Brady? Yeah. So it sounds like, yeah. I mean, Zach might be winning me over. Sunni Lee. I'm looking forward to seeing what the executive order to fix sports is going to actually say. That's going to be a good one. Yeah. I feel like it might be a lot of pages, though. Might be a lot of pages. Zach, you need that when it comes out? Yeah, someone's going to have to put it in a tweet for us. I can do spark notes maybe.

1:11:08Okay. Kind of like some heavy hitting bullet points. When that comes out, I would like you to distill it. I'm not going to read it. I'm not going to read any articles about it. I want you to tell us how college sports will be fixed. Yeah. Okay. I can do that for you. Sure. Thank you. Sure. Okay. What do you got for Who's Back? My Who's Back of the Week is also a little bit World Baseball Classic adjacent. More so for the attendees because have you guys seen the Tokyo Dome sandwich? Oh, yes. The ice cream sandwich. Yes. How are they wrapping the cone around the ice cream 100 %? That's a question for you, pal.

1:11:41Is it injected, you think? No, that's a question that you're going to have to figure out because I want one and you got to get it. You see how the bite too, you go all the way through. So the middle is not the toughest ice cream. Wait, can you describe this for the listeners and myself? Look at it, Hank. It's an uncrustable with a cone on the outside and ice cream on the inside. It's almost like if a Klondike bar swapped the chocolate for a cone. Yeah. It's perfect. So get in the lab. Yeah, we'll get in. You can buy a waffle iron, like whatever you need. Okay, we'll do. Yeah, we'll get scientific.

1:12:13Yeah, yeah. We'll get tasty. Well, yeah. I mean, I assume you're going to have to have some type of. I think you need to put that in the oven. No, I think he's going to have to make. With melt, right? Yeah, that's melt. I think you're going to have to make custom sandwich, like waffle iron. That's the only way to do it, right? I think we're going to have to build a mold, yeah. Right. I'm not sure to go about that, but we'll find out for you. What are you looking at? He's going to have to build a mold. It's not soft serve, though. But how do you get the bread around the ice cream? That's what we're trying to figure out.

1:12:46It looks like it's two halves. You can see them coming apart a little bit at the seam. Yeah, there's a seam. There's a seam. Get to work. That does seem to be a softer exterior, right? I'm going to give you... Until the end of the World Baseball Classic. I was going to say next Monday. Yeah, okay. End of the World Baseball Classic. That's next Tuesday. Yes, sir. We can do that. I want it. I want it. I want a prototype, but I don't want it to be the first. I want it like, I want a good one. I want it. Bad. We'll get the best guys on the case. That's you. Jacob, Owen, myself. Yeah. Three ice cream guys.

1:13:26See, Talia, this is what you're signing up for. This guy, he's a problem solver. Oh, that looks so good. So good. So good. Oh, my God. It looks good. Okay. Let's get to our interview with Alex Caruso. Dedication isn't born in the light of day. It's carved in the quiet hours before the world blinks awake. At Boris Head, we rise with a mission to deliver craftsmanship worthy of your table. A slice of something special folded into every moment worth savoring. because dedication means delivering only the very best. Forest Head, committed to craft since 1905. Whether you're debating watching that award-winning TV drama or re-watching your comfort comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important.

1:14:16When it comes to choosing coverage, a State Farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. And now, here's Alex Caruso. okay we now welcome on a very very very very very special guest recurring guest one and a half time nba champion alex caruso in studio and i gotta ask uh you've won one and a half nba titles but would you say that making the cover of part of my book the 10-year anniversary part of my take that's coming out in august is that a higher is this the official announcement for that? No, you're on it. You're on the back. That's amazing.

1:14:56Wow. Oh, back cover. We'll put it second between the two championships. I just double-checked and you're on it. Zach, are you wearing it on your shirt right now? He doesn't have the shirt on anymore. Don't have the shirt? But you are officially on the cover. I'll send you the pick. You are on the cover. I think it's you in Thunder gear. We would never put you in Lakers gear. Of course not. But you're on the cover, so that's pretty cool. You're right next to Adam Morrison. Oh, yeah. That's like almost a mountain rush for a white guy basketball. Well, I was going to say, it actually was tough to make the cover because we got a lot of white guys, so we're like, oh, shit, we got to make a cut somewhere.

1:15:33But you're on there. So congratulations. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. That's probably the biggest announcement of 2026 for me so far. Yeah, easily. Yeah, easily. So how has this year been? I feel like this has been a pretty good six months for you. Yeah, I mean, honestly, we're winning basketball games. Winning games when you're a professional athlete makes life a lot easier. Yeah. You do that. It's like just stay healthy, get to all-star break, play some golf, and now it's time to try and ramp it up. Are you guys bad for basketball? Bad at the Thunder? Yeah. Are you bad for basketball, for the sport?

1:16:09Too good? No, no, no, no, no. We went to seven games twice last year, so it's not like we didn't – 2000 Lakers won in like 17 games, the Warriors won in whatever. We're like just the right amount of good for basketball. Yeah. But that was the worst team that you're going to have in this dynasty. Yeah. You guys are only getting better. We talked about that last time, didn't we? I have a statement I would like to make that I think is a compliment, but you can tell me if this is not a compliment. No, no. I think it is. Okay. Okay. I think you have entered into all-time role-player level. Ooh. That's a good conversation to have.

1:16:46Is that a good – that's a compliment, right? I would, it's a major compliment, yes. And I mean this in the fact that you can even see it in this year's Thunder team. You mean just basketball or like all of? Maybe everything. You can make your case for everything. But for basketball, I think that you are in that level now where you're such a weapon and the way you're used to, you know, create energy, turnovers, chaos, hit threes. That Nuggets game a couple nights ago, which I want to talk about the Jokic fight, I know you would have fucked him up if you were. You weren't on the court, right? No, I wasn't.

1:17:17Yeah, you would have fucked him up. We know that for a fact. Save your money. Don't run on the court. The way you're able to change a game, and tell me if this is wrong, but I think my theory is you've been used this year. I was looking at your minutes, and it was somewhere like 18, 19 minutes a game, and then if it's a big game, it's like 23, 24 minutes. You're the secret weapon for the Thunder. Well, you're giving away the game plan now. Okay, well, I'm just saying. So we need to calm down so we talk about. No, I mean, that's a great conversation to have. for basketball for sure I think I can sneak my way into a Mount Rushmore now like a couple of championships and a couple of personal accolades I think that gets you onto the role player conversation for all of sports that's tough because there's a lot of sports I mean you're trying to think just off the top of my head like we talk about the best role players in basketball history I don't know if I would consider a guy like Dennis Rodman to be a role player because he's like too good at what he does really at his one specialty he's like a specialist i would say he is but like it's like i think anybody who's not a 30 point a game score you know like the 20 to 30 like takes most of the shots right is pretty much a role player i mean robert ori would be like the top of the first one that came to mind right um just because of clutchness steve kerr yeah spurs and the bulls yeah steve kerr is a good shout too yeah you basically have to look at the teams that have won right you know like and fisher might be over steve kerr for me and and like the teams that have won and and knowing that if you take that guy off the team he's not the best player on the team but if you take that guy off the team it actually like significantly hurts them yeah and i think that's where you're at with the thunder so the question though is i i have the sneaking suspicion that you've been used as a secret weapon do you wait like does coach tell you before a game yeah but don't does coach tell you before a game hey this is gonna be like a playoff atmosphere because there are certain games the nuggets game is a specific one where it's like nuggets thunder friday night yeah big game atmosphere tv and he whispers in your he's like hey this is like a playoff game and then a light bulb goes off and you're like all right i got ready yeah i'm gonna fuck this up no i mean you you know certain matchups are gonna be elevated just based off of competition and talent.

1:19:37Anytime you play somebody that's a top six team in the West, it's going to be a brawl, show up, be ready, and then TV game. But that one the other night had a special feeling around it and lead up to the game. It felt kind of like a mini playoff game. K. Rich, Kenrich Williams told me we were on the end of the bench before tip. To me, it hadn't really clicked. I was just going through my routine of what I do before the game, handshake, sit down. And he goes, it kind of feels like a playoff game here. And I look around, and I was like, you're kind of right. And you don't recognize it until we played Dallas last night, and not even half their team, 75 % of their team isn't playing.

1:20:22Right. And the atmosphere is completely different. You're like, oh, yeah, that makes it stand out even more. but yeah I Mark will tell me when I'm going to go in the game after we drop our first play and I go to like the scores table to do handshakes with everybody he'll look at me and tell me when I'm going to go in and he's like secret and depending on what time in the first quarter I'm going to go in that's how I know tonight's going to be you know a couple more minutes versus the 18-19 and that game specifically like SGA is on a minutes restriction so then you have to close the game I don't think we knew that I didn't know that we go to I missed a shot to win the game in regulation and Chet gets it misses it we go to the bench and in my head I'm just like alright we're gonna go win the game whatever this is we're gonna have momentum we got Shea it's gonna be fine and then Mark comes to the bench and he's like he's done he's done he's like you're in he's like J-Will you're in I think it was I Joe came in for us too and we're just like oh okay cool he's done yeah it was a weird feeling though because we've been playing without him for the last like month and a half however long it's been like we had this like weird confidence over like oh we're just we're gonna go win the game now right and then we scored like your first seven points of overtime just running yeah it was like that's exactly how this team has played didn't cover the spread but that's neither here nor there the other question off of the game uh how are you so good at forcing turnovers on transition because i think that's a superpower you have yeah that i don't you i don't think there's anyone who's doing it you're at your level where if a team has a transition and they're making an extra pass or whatever it may be you just always are in the right spot i think it happened twice in that game late yeah where you like fucked them up and they look like they were gonna get an easy bucket and then your hands are everywhere and it's like oh nope caruso did it again yeah i i don't know where you know like that i don't know if that's like it's not a skill that you like go in the summer and like work on like Obviously, some of that is God-given talent, where I'm just able to process and anticipate stuff.

1:22:30Also, just knowing personnel, knowing who guys are. One of them, Christian Brown, was going to go up for layup. I knew pretty much he was going to either try and use his right hand or load up big to go for a dunk. Just time it and gamble and go for the steel. Chet's there. If you miss it, he'll probably block it. Is that film work? Yes. I mean, some of that, like knowing tendencies and knowing who players are and what they like to do. Like the second one with Hardaway where he jumped in the air. I was like, I'm just going to kind of see if he'll go finish the layup and just go play the guy in the pass.

1:23:02And then I saw Christian Brown's face light up. So I was like, surely the ball is there. You just throw your hand up and he threw it to my hand. Yeah. Everyone's making this deal. I made a great play. It's like I put my hand up. No, but that's interesting. It's almost like a defensive back in football. Yeah, no, it is. Reading the other person's body language. It is, and it's like spatial awareness, anticipation of stuff. You know, some of it is I love soccer. Like I watched Premier League for like 15 years now, and there's a lot of that like element of matching up man-to-man versus ball movement and like finding space and like where's the danger going to be.

1:23:40So maybe some of that, playing a lot of FIFA, you know. Who's your team? Man City. Okay, all right. I got a lot of heat for that, but I've been watching them since like 20 years. Since they won like five in a row? Four. Are there other guys in the NBA that watch a lot of EPL? Yeah, there are. I think I know Larry Nance and TJ McConnell are both leads guys, but I think they have ownership in the team. Makes sense, yeah. That helps push them towards that. I know some guys are just like most of the big teams. I don't know anybody that has like a West Ham or Wolverhampton. It's all like United, Chelsea, Arsenal.

1:24:18Arsenal. Yeah. Have you seen the draw Arsenal got? Yeah, of course. It was a crazy draw. They're playing against some team in Norway that doesn't – Well, the team in Norway beat City 2-1 on the road in one of the Champions League matchups. We did have a couple guys because we were suspended, and that was when all our center backs were hurt too. But, yeah, it's looking favorable. Like, what they say, the last winner from, like, the last 12 years from Champs League, I think, is on the left side. Yeah. They just get a cakewalk. It's on the left side. It's easy. Yeah, it's like City and Madrid, like Real, they're going to play each other, and the winner's going to play Bayern Munich.

1:24:53Battle-tested, yeah. Yeah. Do you guys have a Spurs problem? A Spurs problem? Yeah, does Oklahoma City have a Spurs problem? Ooh. There aren't Spurs in Oklahoma City. It's like these little tumbleweed things. I'm just saying, I'm looking at the NBA Cup. Yeah, no. Yeah, we probably should have won that game. I think we played better in the NBA Cup game. Dude, we can't win the Cup. I'm so annoyed because we go to Vegas two years in a row, and I really want to, one, you get paid. That's cool. But two, there's a trophy and there's some pride to it. And then there was that clip of me bitching in the hallway going back to the locker room, and then everybody started calling me a sore loser.

1:25:36Yeah, the NBA Cup. Nobody likes losing. I'm supposed to be happy that we just lost. I like that, though, because it's the Cup. Like the cup means – did you notice that other teams played a little harder? We talked about, as a team, we want to win everything. That's the mindset. So if we're playing in the cup games, we want to go and win the cup. And we just – for whatever reason, maybe the atmosphere in Vegas just kind of throws it off because it's pretty neutral. And they dim the lights like Staples Center. And it's not like – I think – this is my hot take of the day. I think it would be much better if they just did it like playoff series where they just had whatever the tiebreakers are and just have the better, like whatever team is ranked higher, post the game, all the way, even through the championship game.

1:26:21Yeah, I like that. Maybe the championship you do neutral site, like how the - Super Bowl? Yeah. Yeah, like Super Bowl or the Premier League, like the FA Cup and all that. They go to Wembley, like maybe the last game you do a neutral site. But leading up to it, the best games in the cup are the games that lead up to Vegas. Yeah. After pool play, the first couple bracket play games, Like, those are the best ones. Do the crazy courts ever fuck you up? No, I kind of like them. Okay. I haven't played on one that I think was terrible. Like, I think probably the worst one was maybe the one here in Chicago the first year when it was just, like, blood red.

1:26:55Yeah. But even then, it was, like, kind of cool. Yeah, kind of cool for a one-off. So, if you don't win an NBA Cup in your career, we will. I can't be on the role player. Yeah, no, we will ding you for that. Dude, could never get it done. Rightfully so. Could never get it done in mid-December. Yeah. The big one. That's right. The big one. Say what you want about Alex Caruso, but he choked away multiple NBA cups. Do you know how much money you've made in the NBA? It's pretty awesome. Right now? Yeah, or like for the rest of your career if you play out your contract. I've made guaranteed money. I made like five and a half and then like 39.

1:27:35So we'll just run out to 40 and then 80. So like 115. Yeah, you'd be 123. Oh, nice. That's pretty sick. That's awesome. That's pretty sick, yeah. I mean, that and I got to win a couple things. Now we're talking about role player Mount Rushmore. Yeah. That's not even a question. It was just more like that was sick. Yeah, no, I know that wasn't a question. We did that with Blake Bortles once, and he was just like, oh, fuck. That's so sick. But he's much more nonchalant. He had no idea. He was just like, oh, I made 50 mil. That's so awesome. That's pretty cool. You ever just look at your bank account, and you're like, oh, fuck yeah.

1:28:08Yeah. That's pretty cool. Honestly, no, because I have a guy for that. that is much smarter than me yeah let him handle that yeah yeah um have you become a better basketball player since you got married yeah i mean i have i think i've gotten better since august love that yeah shout out to haley what have you gotten better at um i'm a lot more patient on the court you know a lot more understanding yeah uh more team oriented yeah yeah lessons off the court that translates like you'll do the dirty work great at home lessons that i carry over yeah you take out the trash on the court it's like the dirty work also do that i was doing that before yeah i was married anyway so yeah role player uh every husband's a role player yeah this is a dumb question but we're getting up to march madness um does it suck not march yeah it's mart this is march does it suck not be able to watch all march madness yeah honestly those days those days like because it's a it's the first weekend at least yeah like first weekend's the big one like that's It's the one where you're like 8 a.m.

1:29:10to – Yeah, and you have to like work. Yeah, depending on the schedule. I haven't even looked. This is why I would never be in the NBA. I would never give up watching Mars Madness. Wait, it's probably two weeks away? Yes, two weeks away. I'll look, but I don't know what our schedule is. I think we might be on the road. I'm going to tell you right now. I'm going to bum you out. Same with football too. You can't watch football sometimes. Yeah, Sundays are tough when you're traveling. Dude, this NBA thing, that's not worth$123 million. Yeah, I don't know. I'm telling you, man. You did watch baseball because I saw you tweeted out.

1:29:41I remember it was like game seven. You tweeted out, imagine not liking sports. Yeah, dude. Imagine. And then LeBron, I think he replied. I think he was like, yeah, that would suck, dude. Yeah. Like you guys still keep in touch? That was probably the last time before I saw him this year. That was about it? Yeah, that we talked. He's like, I love sports too, man. I saw that he's getting really into YouTube golf recently. Yeah, dude. Golf in general, but YouTube golf for sure. Yeah, there was a very funny video of him before the game against the Warriors. He was on the course at Olympic. Have you seen that yet?

1:30:11No. Can we bring that video up of LeBron golfing before the game against the Warriors? By the way. Somebody snuck a phone onto the course and took a very mean, long-distance shot of him hitting like a three-wood off the deck. Does it not go well? It's not a great look. I mean, LeBron has to realize this is the game that you get into with YouTube golf. Yeah, for sure. It's everything. I mean, golf in general. Yeah, people love to laugh at your misfortune. By the way, you're good for the schedule. You have a game on Wednesday of opening round, and then you have a game, no game Thursday, Friday, game Saturday, no game Sunday.

1:30:45That's big time. And the game Saturday is the Wizards at 4 o 'clock. So that doesn't really count. Yeah. 4 o 'clock. You guys should do it with your eyes closed probably. Yeah. I'm going to get the morning slate. Yeah. That's the best I've had. Yeah. That's the best. You're going to get to do it. All right. Maybe the 123 makes sense. I'm not going anywhere in New York. Here's LeBron. Let's get your feedback on LeBron's swing here. Wait. You got to go out there with him. You got to fix him up. I played Olympic Club last year. Caught that little fat. Yeah, a little over the top, a little fat. Didn't move the body very much.

1:31:18Caught some mistakes. What is... Actually, he rotated pretty well. For a big man, he does, yeah. I mean, given one of the best athletes to ever play sports, that much credit, he should be doing that. He's pretty good at sports overall. What's your handicap right now? right now is probably not a true tell but i got down to like a two last summer damn yeah i played overall star break i played better than i expected like i i played uh we went to scottsdale so we i've been to scottsdale with my boys because we go play tpc because they have all the stuff it's a week after the tournament yeah so they got all the the stuff still up and then we go out there and play um grass clippings actually this par three course the little night par three course that place is amazing um and then silver leaf club try to get out there and play that's awesome yeah we always laugh at people that are like seeing cancun loser like the fans that talk shit yeah players are like ah cancun have fun idiot you lost yeah okay yeah i probably will i'm i'm in the prime of my life i have millions of dollars i'm gonna go to cancun and have maybe the best week of my life i'm going to very much enjoy it so you guys missed out on on some of your summer That's kind of like an under-discussed thing in the NBA is like the better you are as a team, the longer your season becomes, the less of an offseason you have.

1:32:32You just got to make sure you win, you know? Because like – Right. So when I saw you all out at Tahoe, right? Yeah. That's like two weeks after the championship, two and a half weeks after we won. And I think it was after the Wednesday or Thursday practice round that I played with some of the people who pay for whatever, the scramble teams. my dad looks at me because there's so many people out there right there's so many fans and they're like oh congrats like you won a championship great season yeah i was like he said imagine if you would have lost and had to yeah and everybody would have just been like dude tough one great season but maybe you'll get them next year and so now i'm just reliving this like two weeks i probably would have started to like slowly get over it it's like that could have been much a much much worse two and a half three months if we would have lost yeah what was crazy about that tournament was charles barkley kind of got good at golf again yeah you remember that yeah what yeah he what he he hold out for for eagles something happened yeah where he just got good the first day he was like i think he was top 25 really rude to be honest to overshadow my first day yeah which was just phenomenal what'd you shoot i shot 74 it was like the best round i've ever shot in my life yeah nobody talked about that ball and hole and i you know they quickly breezed over it because it's like charles shot the guy who didn't know how to play golf all of a sudden was yeah shot 85 and hold out from the fairway we got to talk about it more yeah it's amazing yeah people people still talking about that alex crusoe 74 you know it's you know it's hilarious about that too is i played so well the first day and then the second day i get out and i'm playing with uh playing with adam thielen and taylor twelman and like they both played very well yeah taylor was like in it he's like really good player apparently yeah he was they were striping all day but i get up there on the on the first tee box after going you know tied career best low round with in tournament place like i count that as the best round of golf i've ever played i just cold top it on this on the first tee box in front of like you know 400 people luckily i did just like i shook it off hit one got on the green made the bogey putt and got out of there with like zero points so it's a little bit of confidence booster but the the topping it in front of you know a couple hundred people after they do the whole intro thing i don't know how you guys do it like it's tough out there i'm not gonna lie it's got to be more nerve-wracking than playing an nba 100 yeah 100 up until you made i made my putt i made par on hole two every day i made like a three footer on on two that was the putt both days that like kind of calmed me down but before that the first seven six seven shots that i took it was like full like arms not connected to the body the boys did six seven in the booth yeah that's a tough look uh dude it's it's it It doesn't even compare to anything I've ever done sports wise.

1:35:11Just like choosing a show to stream State Farm has options to choose from to help you find coverage that best fits your needs. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by a customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Do you still get nervous before NBA games? No, I don't get nervous. I will get too excited, too much adrenaline going through me. Before Game 7, Denver, Game 7, and the finals, obviously, those two games, I have a pretty strict standard routine that I do before all the games where I just come home, nap, eat, whatever.

1:36:00I couldn't really nap. I took a 20-minute nap, and I was just like, I'm not going to be able to sleep. I'm just going to get up. If you could go back Game 7 NBA Finals, and you could make it so that Tyrese Halliburton doesn't get hurt, would you do that? Sure. Wow, you're an incredible guy. Yeah. You're an incredible guy. You want to beat the best. That's beautiful. 2.1, I think we would have won regardless. Yeah, but still. 2, he doesn't tear his Achilles. Yeah, I know. You're an incredible guy. That's an incredible move. You would want that because now the Pacers are going to get a great draft pick, and they're going to be the best team ever.

1:36:32And then they'll come and kick your ass later because he got hurt in Game 7. I was going to make a joke. It's the best tanking strategy ever, but that's pretty detrimental to your all-in-game player. For your best player to tear his Achilles. That part sucks. Yeah, the biggest mind fuck ever. They're talking through that in the war room as an organization. I don't know. We could just not win games or we could have our best player be out for a whole year. Yeah. How weird is it playing against tanking teams? Like, can you feel the vibe? or they it's just got to be like there's been a lot of discussion about the NBA.

1:37:06Yeah. Too many teams are tanking right now. Yeah. Trying to fix that. But when you're actually playing a tanking team, I'd imagine it's a little harder to get up for a team that's like actively not trying to win games. Yeah. I mean, at that point, it just becomes like you got to find different things to play for, you know, like you're like, do you play for us? I can do that on the Wizards game. Okay. I'll do that. I'll do that specifically for us. I would like to see two bounce pass assists from you. Okay. That's how you'll know. That's how I know, yeah. And I'll point to the camera. We actually will be watching March Madness, so we won't even know.

1:37:41Yeah, sure. But it would be nice to highlight it. It'll be played for us. We'll get the clip, and I'll send it to you. It's like little Timmy in the hospital, Babe Ruth hitting two home runs for him. It's like two fundamentally sound, like three-quarters bounce passes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Left foot forward. Yeah, they interview you after. It's like you put in a solid, like, eight, four, and four. You're like, yeah, I did that for the PMT guys. I'll do that. So that's easy. That's an easy one. I mean, is there a way to prevent tanking? I don't think that there is. That's the thing. It's like we can have this discussion and try to figure out how to have the most competitive games that we can get.

1:38:13But the reality is the way that the league is set up, you kind of have to tank if you want to get good. Yeah. I mean, that's the big issue is like it's proven to be successful. And so like in some instances, like some teams just can't get it right. And they're just like forever. We have to hit the picks. So like if you have a first overall pick. Yeah, that's the big thing. It's like that's where teams are still messing it up is like they're not drafting well. And it's like if you're going to – like you just get stuck in the revolution if you don't draft well and then you try to lose again and then you don't draft.

1:38:42That's part of it for us is like we've had great picks. Some of our guys on our team like A.J. Mitchell, Jalen Williams, Aaron Wiggins, obviously Trey Fisch, me, Hart. There's just – there's Isaiah Joe. Like we've found different ways to like build a team that's really good and it hasn't just been lose a shit ton of games and then have a top three pick for five years in a row. Yeah. I don't know how you fix it. Every one of these, you've seen a couple of different examples or options that people have brought up of what to do. There's always a flaw in one. Yeah, there's always a loophole that someone will attack.

1:39:19Yeah, there's always one that's like that doesn't – it looks good on paper until you really think it through and talk about it and put it into a real-world perspective. I don't know how you do that. And you also don't want to have a situation where you make it so bad teams can just never get good again. Yeah. Well, that's the fine line is making it competitive and even. You want small market teams to be able to have good players and keep good players, but you don't want to make it to where there's a competitive advantage too much one way for the draft. Like I said, it's a difficult thing to do.

1:39:57Yeah. Yeah. I got a dumb question for you. Do they give you different thickness of headbands or do you just have the extra thick ones? No, no, no. It's just the same ones. The same ones? There's two different ones. There's like a spandex, like, you know, like a, what is it? Polyester. Yeah. And then there's like the cotton almost. Like it's like elastic cotton. Like it's got some stretch to it. That's the one I have. Okay. People think that it's like a fashion statement. I sweat a lot. like the other night they uh heart after the denver game took my uh heart and stein took my headband off and put it on our our our team tv guy nick gallo and i'm looking at him and as soon as he took it off and goes towards i'm like dude i was like don't put that on him yeah you don't want like we just i just played a whole second half in overtime with that yeah played 28 minutes and we're i switch at halftime yeah i switch at halftime oh you switch it's so sweaty yeah it's so sweaty i have to we got he put it on him and immediately when he took it off and gave it back to me to like walk off and like give to a kid i like dude that's disgusting i like squeeze a little and sweat comes out of it like it's it's drenched yeah so we after game you'll give it to a kid do you feel bad about giving a sweaty headband to the kids love it but there are sometimes where like i'll like you know you give a little like a toss where it's not a handoff yeah and the kid will have like an outstretched hand and grab it and the sweat will just fly off behind them in their face and it's like i feel terrible but you know the kids apparently they are just so excited to have a sweat man they don't even yeah they're like i'm not they don't process that that's like sweat coming off of my head into the yeah into the sweat man do you sweat more with a bald head yeah when i well when i had hair the hair caught everything yeah so well you didn't have a lot of hair well but it is enough would you go to turkey no imagine i came out like post-retirement to be awesome actually no not post-retirement like just in next year yeah yeah yeah like opening night imagine i come out next year it's just a fade yeah imagine if you had done it right after you won and then like banner night how long does it take to recover from that stuff uh i think a couple months i think it's like a like a couple weeks oh that you can't like do stuff like sweat or get wet yeah and then after that i mean most of the guys like in a few months they look normal yeah yeah we could have done it that would been such a good look you should do it banner night you walk out there championship hair yeah did you see by the way that would be so funny jaylen suggs kind of stole your look yeah no he did he went he came back from all-star break with the with his full shade yeah all right so there's motivation when you play the magic we got one more game to see where that that trip before march madness we're playing okay so there's your motivation find that they're not tanking but still yeah you gotta find it just need to win they're gonna try and win the game yeah i mentioned the jokic thing uh you would have fucked him up right yeah for sure yeah him being a hundred something pounds and like a foot taller than me wouldn't matter what was the conversation in the locker room after i would imagine it was a lot of uh you know like if you get in a bar fight with your boys you're like yeah you see what i'd see the move i pulled oh yeah there's all on tape there's a lot of there's a lot of talk about what somebody would have done who like wasn't out there that's like the running joke on our team is like whoever's not in the game if somebody doesn't handle it the right way it's like you know you just shit on him the whole time yeah it's like oh dude you're soft like uh you you didn't even get in the mix something like that so who who who didn't get in the mix enough well no that that was perfect well lou would have but he thought he wasn't gonna get ejected and then he got ejected so he didn't get his money's worth okay that's like that's like nba rule number one like if you know you're gonna get ejected or you know you're gonna get like a second tech like you just yeah go all in keep going yeah see the clips of like the guys who go up to the refs individually when they've gotten a second tech and they're just F you, F you, F you.

1:43:48It's like that's what you got to do. Make it worth it. Yeah, absolutely. Did you know that the finals game seven averaged 2.4 billion viewers? I did not. That's good. It's pretty crazy. That's good for us. On ABC. That's like a third of the world tuned into that game. I might have gotten centled when I saw that, and I was like, yeah, it makes sense because Caruso is playing. How many of those do we think are bot streams from India? Probably a lot. Probably like one. But I do feel like the product, I don't want to speak for the league as a whole, but I enjoy watching Thunder games. You guys play a very entertaining style of basketball.

1:44:22It's fun to watch as a viewer. Is it more fun to play this style as a player? Yeah, I mean, I love the way we play. Obviously, a lot goes into that. You need to have good players to play well in NBA, pro sports in general. You've got to have good players. Damn, you should be a GM. Yeah, I mean, bring in good players, you're going to win. but no I love it I mean I love you know there's a lot like I said there's a lot of stuff that goes into it but like the way we play is just fun you know it's entertaining and the guys are like competitive so that makes it fun but like to the point of the finals like I think that's you know even though it was obviously game seven is going to be game seven people are going to tune in just because of the name the the label of a game seven but like the the Pacers last year in the playoffs like they played how we played yeah they were like random offensively super aggressive physical defensively and i think that's why you know there was so much success with the finals in the playoffs last year in general because the basketball like say what you want during the regular season you know like guys don't play you can't play at playoff level for however many games 82 games or however many games you play 70 games but like once you get to the playoffs like the basketball is pure like yeah if you if it's not you lose yeah like if you don't play good hoops and like, what did we say, ethical hoops?

1:45:39Like, if you're not like taking care of fundamentals, playing hard as shit, like competing at the highest level, like you go home. And I think that's probably why people tune in so much to like playoffs in general for any sport is because they know it's going to be like the highest level in purest form. Well, and I also think like the playoffs, I love the NBA playoffs because it is very, like you have to go and take your lumps to then get over the mountain. And like even you guys - You can't luck into it. It's a series. You have to win four games against somebody. Even last year, you guys are the best team, and you go to seven games against the Nuggets and seven games against the Pacers.

1:46:13It felt like there were moments that you guys were learning how to win that championship along the way where it's like, yeah, it takes that. Do you feel like you guys are the hunted this year? Do you feel like you have a bullseye? Yeah, for sure. But that's a good thing. It would be weird if you won the championship and everyone was like, nah, we don't believe. We don't think they're actually that good. Right. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you like the fake bubble championship. Like that. Where everyone was like, did we even have it? Yeah. They forgot it even happened. I actually, I would put the NBA cup over the bubble championship.

1:46:44Oh, easily. Yeah. Well, we said, what was the, the, the book cover is two on that list of. Yeah. We go, we go, right. We go thunder championship book cover LA. I have heard. No, I think it goes thunder championship book cover NBA cup. Second place. Second place. Second place. NBA cup. Third place. Oh, even the third. Bubble. Okay, that's fair. First team all defense. Yeah, yeah. I would put above bubble. I would put above bubble. The 74 at Tahoe. 74 at Tahoe. 10 at bubble. That one's up above the cup games. People got to talk about it more. I just watched this video of Hartenstein taking your headband.

1:47:23That's a gross headband. You can tell. Your head is very, very sweaty. It's sweaty. That's 10 seconds after, I mean, yeah. That's a tough one. You're like, sorry, man. but you're a real pro you continue doing the interview he wants you to continue he does and that's you all respect to nick like that's that's for him you know like he he is i don't know he he's uncrackable like we've done so many different things to him like put like people put their chains on him yeah we've put like 30 towels on him before he's un unwaverable like he's locked once he gets the mic in his hand so earlier you were saying that you know when you're going to play against the magic again do you know do you have like the rest of your schedule memorized um no i just know that because that's part of that long road trip and you look at a long road trip in march and you're just like you it's just kind of gross yeah five game east game east coast road trip uh no i usually go like two or three games at a time like increments do you ever wake up in a city and you're like wait where am i again yeah occasionally like once or twice once or twice a season and it's usually like end of december january everything looks the same yeah where you forget your hotel room number.

1:48:28You go to the hotel room from the last road trip. That must be tough. If you're staying at 512, you go to like 108, 1008, something like that. And it's like you're doing the key and you're like, why is it not working? And then it hits you. You're like, I'm an idiot. What about like walking out of your hotel room in the morning and knowing which direction to go for the elevator? Yeah, there are some that are like the hotel here, the elevator. It's not just like elevator two long hallways. Yeah. It's like elevator two long hallways, but then there's an opening to go to a back hallway that's also connected.

1:48:58It's like you wake up after you get in at 3 a.m. and you got to go somewhere. You reorient. One eye's open. You're just hoping to make it. We're earning that$100 million. It's tough. Yeah, no, I mean, that's the only reason you could make it. This is it. What's your guys' plane situation? We were having this debate the other day. Is it all first class? Yeah. So is it a plane just of first class? Yeah, Delta's like the sponsor for the team. They put in a rule a couple years ago that they grandfathered anybody in, but no personal team jets because they said it was unfair advantage to have special whatever that some owners are richer than others and you pay for it.

1:49:38But league mandate is like Delta Charters, and it's first class all the way through. Okay. What's your go-to card game on the plane? Bure. Are you good? Yeah. I mean, I know how to play. Who's the best? I mean, there's a lot of luck involved. I don't know if you can say who's the best. Who's up the most this year? Probably me or J-Will. Oh, shit. We sit next to each other on the table. You got a target on your back. Do you guys have communication? You don't need to talk nonverbal? We know how to play the game, so yeah. We understand. You understand when to go for a tie and when you should try to boo somebody and go for the win.

1:50:15Is there anybody on the team that's not good? That's like, we're going to take his money? Chet. Chet's down. Yeah. this team doesn't play for like like high stakes like this is this is the most calm at least like monetary wise b-ray but he's he's down he's down what's it like being you're i mean you're officially the vet on the team right yeah yeah is it weird like having guys that are all you know there's some guys that are 10 years younger than it it it feels normal until like once a week where it's like they have a conversation about something or in somebody and I'm just like, I would never talk about that.

1:50:49Yeah. It's like nothing that even crosses the scope of reality for me. And it's also probably you've played so many guys, like with or against so many guys, and they're like, oh, shit, that guy, I remember watching him. Yeah, that's also like the running joke is like whenever they'll be, you know, they'll see any old player. Like they could play from the 70s. And Cason does this a lot. Cason Wallace would be like, you play with him? we did a we did like a like our tiktok our social media before we got on the plane we traveled on my birthday and they had like a little bunt cake for me and everybody else i thought that was it like that was it that i was the only one for the the day but they did like birthday messages and anybody that wished me a happy birthday like with a number it was 45 to 60 somewhere between 45 and 60 was the number like happy 48th birthday it's bullshit it's like come on dude hank does that us all the time.

1:51:42He had us at we're 41. He had us at 40 for like the last eight years. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing is people are younger. They just bump you up to the next. I know we're going to be 50 now in a minute. Pretty much when you're 41, you're 50. Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing. Those are pretty much the same. Yeah, I just had an idea. We were talking about Bure a second ago doing it like a World Series of poker but an NBA Cup for Bure between the teams. I feel like that would get a lot of views during all star. Oh, that would get up. I would that would do numbers. Instead of slam dunk? Yeah, instead of slam dunk, you have best two from each team.

1:52:17So what's the buy-in for each player? I don't know. What do you think it would have to be to get people interested? Well, I know that some people in the league, I've heard some astronomical numbers. People gamble way too much money for teammates. Yeah. And they're not as nice. We do it for more of past the time, camaraderie, just play cards on a flight talk. I know some people that they gamble, gamble. Like there's like tens of thousands of dollars being exchanged. I mean, if we get it during all-star, like the all-star week. Like a 20K buy-in. I was going to say more like 100 ,000. 100 ,000 buy-in.

1:52:51You can probably find 10 guys in a league that will do that. That's what I'm saying. And then the trash talk of that table would be pretty intense. I feel like people compete harder at that than they would in the all-star game. Oh, yeah. Well, you put that much money on it for sure. Yeah. Because that's their money going to somebody else. That's like gambling in general at like the casino. It's like I don't get how people go to the casino and play poker. Crazy. Like if I lose the house, cool. Lost the house. You're supposed to lose the house. House is going to take some of your money. If I am playing poker at the table with y 'all and you take my money.

1:53:20Yeah. I'd rather just do it at home with friends. I get why those videos. You see the videos in the casinos where guys will stand up and just like somebody's getting knocked out. Yeah. I get it. Somebody probably said some sly shit. Took two grand from this guy that is working paycheck to paycheck. Yeah. And now they have real beef in real life. You're right. Agreed. Agreed. All right. I have one last question for you. This has been awesome. Great to have you back. Miss you. We'll see you in Tahoe. The sun's out today in Chicago. What a treat. Are you going to be in Tahoe this year? Yeah, I am.

1:53:50That's not the last question. All right. So we'll see you in Tahoe. Two questions. Hey, Illinois. Stella Blue Coffee's new canned lattes are here and in a store near you. Crafted with 100 % Colombian coffee, each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors, espresso cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. Whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup, Stella Blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care. Stella Blue is more than just great coffee. It's about giving back. I named the brand after my rescue dog, Stella, who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes.

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1:55:06That's a great question. Thank you. Who's most likely or who would be the most pissed? Both. You can do both, yeah. Honestly, I don't think anybody's likely to. They're young, but they're very well media trained. I don't think anybody would slip up. Who would be most pissed about? it would have to be somebody that doesn't play. It'd have to be somebody that doesn't have an actual influence. So we'd have to do one of the young guys on our team. That would be Jared McCain. Oh, if he did it in a TikTok? If Jared McCain did it in a TikTok. If he just showed up. He's so new. Yeah, right. If he did a TikTok, why the Thunder are going to win the title?

1:55:45That almost would be hilarious. Yeah, that would be the worst. That would probably be the one. Will you do a TikTok with him if he asked? Maybe. Come on. You've got to say yes. No, I mean, I'm not a big TikTok guy in general. You don't have to be on TikTok. He just records it. But that's what I'm saying. Like, it depends what it is. It's a dance. Like, I'm not dancing. You have to dance. That's not my job of TikTok. I'm not. What if he came up to you and was like, hey, if you don't do this TikTok with me dancing, I'm going to do a TikTok guaranteeing a title.

1:56:19He's holding you hostage. I got you now. You didn't think you were going to get this line of questioning. That's a tough one. He's like, I'm ready to go. Locked and loaded. No, I mean, at that point, I'd probably just do it. Okay. Because I'm a good teammate. All right, so Jerry McCain, that's your way. If it came to that, if he asked me that in reality, I'd be like, we got to talk about some stuff. I'm being held hostage. I'm being held hostage. I'm going to gunpoint it to do a TikTok. You'd have to do it. You'd have to do it. It would be much easier than that. Hart and J. Will did one the other day, but he did it, and they're just standing in the background.

1:56:53I was like, this isn't even. Yeah, you could do that. Yeah, you could just be a background dancer. Yeah. They don't even dance. They're just standing. They're just standing there. Yeah, just do a standing TikTok. Yeah. All right. Well, Alex, thank you so much. We love having you on. We'll have you on after you win the title again this year. Yeah, we'll do it. We'll do a championship, a double championship, Tahoe and NBA. Yeah. And NBA. Oh, so you kind of guaranteed that. That I will, yeah. That I'm much more comfortable saying I'll guarantee you because I don't think it'll happen. Okay. Winning the Tahoe Championship as well.

1:57:24That's 74. Would you guarantee an NBA Cup for next year? Oh. I'm owing to. But you've never guaranteed one. I'm owing how many years. I don't think anybody's ever guaranteed an NBA Cup. You think that's our issue? Yeah, do it. We need the more pressure. Say we're going to win the NBA Cup next year. I hope we're going to win the NBA Cup next year. No. No, you have to. You got to lock in. I really hope you are. With that attitude, you'll never win an NBA Cup. You have to feel like you're the hunted. You're not the hunted in the NBA Cup. That's why we haven't made it to the finish line. Alex Russo, great player, could never do it for the NBA Cup.

1:57:52Yeah, couldn't win. Can't get it done in December. Can't win the mid one. When the lights get as bright as possible in the NBA Cup, he chokes. You're a choker. When the stage is at its middest, he cannot step up to the plate. All right, man. Thanks so much. Yeah, great time. Thanks. Stella Blue Coffee's new can lattes are here Crafted with 100 % Colombian coffee Each can is a good source of protein And comes in two smooth flavors Espresso Cafe Mocha and Espresso Sweet Cream And whether you're braving your morning commute Or chasing your pup Stella Blue cans are for those always on the go And for those who care Stella Blue is more than just great coffee It's about giving back I named the brand after my rescue dog Stella Who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes.

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1:59:56Can we just do it? We'll go 50 We'll go 56 Big week this week Conference Championship week Get excited What was that noise? Sounds like there's a bird in here. Can I also say, you guys see that some dude broke the record for the half marathon today? Don't care. You don't care about that at all. Half marathon has got to be the lamest thing to break. He ran a 422 mile for 13 miles. But do you like, is it like the 10 ,000? 422 mile. Yeah, no, I agree with Big Cat. If this was called the length of the race, then like the 13 points. His 200, like the speed he ran 200 meters is faster than you could run 200 meters right now.

2:00:37For 13 miles straight. Well, yeah, I'm slow. Correct, but I don't like that it's called a half marathon. But you could sprint a 200. Yeah, but dude, call it a 10 ,000 meters? You should be able to run 200 faster than a marathon runner is running a 13 mile pace. That's just not true. What are you talking about? Marathoners are so fast, dude. Did you see the finish of the LA marathon You think you should be able to run faster Than like the fastest marathoner Like for a 200 No they run Their pace is sprinting They just sprint for They just look better doing sprints Watch the end of the Los Angeles marathon today This is fucking insane This guy's talking running Oh he gets caught There's a guy that was like He looked like he was about 50 yards ahead with about 100 yards left.

2:01:29Did he catch him? And he catches him. Oh, that's incredible. Yeah. Hank, I don't think you understand how fast these guys are going. I would never let that happen to me. You don't understand. You don't care. You don't care about speed. No. You did this shit with them. You said it was Zach. You said it with the Olympic sprinters. You guys don't care. You have no respect for speed. You're not understanding my argument. You have no respect for speed. You're not. Your dumb little brain can't understand my argument because we're not talking about golf right now. We're talking about racing. What would you say you'd rather be a figure skater than a sprinter?

2:01:58What? Going back to the Olympic. Oh, speed skating. Well, that one got a little confusing because then we also made it so you couldn't run anywhere but a track, but you could also figure skate everywhere. The debate got very conservative. Being fast is impressive. Yes. Dude, they are really, really fast. You saying that, like, oh, you should be able to run faster than a marathon or pace-wise for 200 meters. No, they're so fast. What they're doing is that's what our sprint is. It's faster than our sprint. Wait, what is the actual pace on their run? My point is half marathon is bullshit. Make it a full marathon or make it a 10K or whatever.

2:02:36It's just a half marathon just sounds ridiculous. Does it not? No. What's the difference in the track? It's not a real race. I'm way more impressed if somebody says I set the world record in the 800 meters than I am. Exactly. If somebody says I set the world record in the half mile. I have no idea how long 10 ,000 meters is, but if someone told me they set the record for it, I'd be like, holy fuck, dude. That's insane. I will say that marathon is like a joke sport thing that people who can't commit to a full marathon run a half marathon. I will say that the guy that sets the record should be the only person that's allowed to put the 13.1s to the back of their car.

2:03:12But I didn't even know they ran competitive half marathons. I didn't. Yeah, they're usually like you throw a bunch of color dust on you. You just stopped listening after we started making our point. I don't like I respect speed, but I so you did stop listening after we started making a half marathon should be a marathon or no marathon. Once you say it's a half speed, I respect the fuck out of number one marathon and half marathon respecter. Who's your favorite marathoner? You didn't even tweet about it. So I love it. People get just one on that, though. You even tweet about the fucking women's winning the gold medal.

2:03:49I don't fucking know any. I'm not Oh I do I guess I respect speed more than you Hank you're talking to a guy who like Half of the time we have an athlete on I say how sick is it to be fast Oh Craig Engels Let's do the numbers What are we even talking about I'm happy we brought this up No it's a good debate But Hank he won't listen to what I'm saying It has nothing to do with speed It has to do with the fact that the half marathon In principle is a joke That's a joke of a race It is That's your take So if someone has the fastest turkey trot Are you going to be like wow that's incredible If it's really fast I'll respect it Alright 23 You can do 48 56 13 I hope this is 13 Because I'm not going to give it to you This is the longest number session of all time It's got to be 26 75 Anyone got 75?

2:04:51One more One more Same numbers I'm dying for it to be 13 A lot of people said the last one was rigged What? The machine Remember Matt made that claim? Remember he's not in the red here?

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