Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald, March Has Arrived, CBB, Combine Cleanup + 10 Years Of Pardon My Take Memories

21:27Max, you got white suited. Rick Pitino shows up in the white suit. All his friends were in the white suit. You had Roundball Lenny, Wildcat Paul, Michigan Mike. At no point was Villanova ever going to win that game. I told both of you. Credit to Max. Saturday morning, I was like, they have no shot. He was like, they got no shot. This is going to be the – I mean, Rick Pitino said it. He was like, this is the most important game of my career. I don't know if he said career, but I think he at least said this is the biggest game of the year by far. When he breaks out the white suit. And he brought out the white suit.

21:59They did a white – like, there was – they were never going to win that game. At no point. At no point. At no point.

22:08Hank:You think he only orders Alfredo when he's eating in the white suit, right? Like no marinara. He doesn't do Alfredo. Not even the white suit? Alfredo's fake Italian. Yeah. What? Oh, yeah. Is this true? Alfredo's not real Italian. I think that's fake Italian. He would maybe do a chicken, a lemon chicken. Maybe do a lemon chicken. Piccata? Yeah, piccata. I mean, like Cacio e Pepe, that's Italian. Yeah. But Alfredo sauce? There's no heavy cream in Italian cuisine. This is going to start a war. Yeah, I don't know if this is true. What about the name Alfredo? I'm going to trust him. That's a slur. Alfredo's a slur.

22:47Remember Cuomo said it's like saying the N-word for Italians? You can't call him that. You can't call him that. Pitino's got the white pants on.

22:53Hank:One of the all-time quotes. The white pants, nice and camo. He could spill whatever he wants on those. You won't be able to tell. Whatever he wants. Cuomo just trying to be like, just make up a vicious slur out of thin air. Be like, you don't say that. I mean, Villanova, they are what they are. They have no shot of actually making a run. It looks like they're still going to make the tournament. Are you on bubble now? No, we're still pretty comfortably not in the bubble. You got an injury that you got to deal with, though. Yeah, we had a couple guys get banged up. One of them looks worse than the other.

23:27I was trying to look. That's a problem with college basketball. You just don't get injury updates. Yeah, they don't have to say anything.

23:35Hank:They're like state secrets. Yeah, like in NFL, you'll know within the next morning about what happened. No, college basketball, you won't know until 15 minutes before because the guy's actually dressed on the floor. That's when you find out that he's actually going to play. I had a visualization the other day when I was thinking about what's going to happen this Final Four. I think it just feels like it's Izzo. It feels like in a visualization, how is he going to go out? he's going to go out in the final four he's going to get there are you going to say he's overrated though this feels like this is this is for whether or not he's overrated okay all right because i was just saying this feels like you get you're you're in a win-win situation where if he doesn't get to the final four you could be like told you he's overrated if he does like i called it but i like the fact that you're saying this is the final four decides whether he's overrated he has to get to the final four cohen car's awesome i walk back that i i will admit that I was wrong.

24:31Hank:I heard 10 years of being wrong about Tom Izzo if they make it to this Final Four. It's such a Izzo team too. Jackson Kohler looks like a 90s bully. High school bully. He's got the hair. He's got a little bit of a chin strap. Waps a couple threes every now and then. Just like, oh, I hate the Michigan State team. And I say that with all due respect because when Izzo gets his guys like this, it's like watch out. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Any other college basketball takes? I'm so pumped. Dude, Florida looks good. I can't wait for conference tourney week. It's going to be. Duke looks good. I'm worried about Duke.

25:12Although this is like I keep wrestling with the idea of Florida and Duke both look so dominant, but is their conference down? They definitely are both down, but Duke does look better than they were last year. Yeah.

25:24Hank:Or more dominant. I'll say that I don't know. They need to win it. I don't know if they're better. They look more dominant than they did last year. If they don't win it this year, it would be a shock. Yeah. I think so. Big disappointment. I think it would be the biggest disappointment since last year. It would be like a double generation of disappointment with Boozer. Every single... Boozer won. Every single year. It would be doubly disappointing. Every single year is the biggest disappointment. The brotherhood takes a knock. That's another loss on Carlos Boozer's record as well. Got it. You don't agree with this?

25:59if Boozer had lost I would agree with it but he won he did win a championship and then left early and then Coach K tried to blackmail him to stay and got really upset at him for leaving for a kid trying to make you know his life's dream come true Coach K was like oh you can't do that actually I have it on my card let me see I have a UConn future from preseason The two futures I have, or I guess three. It's a worse odds right now. Wisconsin, technically, I do have one on Wisconsin. But it's UConn at 15-1 and Florida at 19-1. Hold on. Let me see if I can read this. I'm going to try to find my – this is my Coach K fact sheet that I hold in my wallet.

26:42It's so hard to read.

26:46Fill the time so I can figure out where I can find Boozer.

26:50Hank:Hank, who do you think is the biggest disappointment in Duke history? Wow. A lot to pick from. I mean, the Zion team was a major disappointment. Yeah. Three top five picks or three lottery picks. Barely made it to the Sweet 16. Almost had to get a cat because of that team. You could say last year as well. Cooper Flag, Knipple.

27:20I mean, the team that lost is CJ McCollum.

27:23Hank:Yeah. I love J.J. Redick. I love J.J. Redick and Sheldon Williams, but they should have got one. John Sire, Stud. I'm trying to, yeah. That Zion team was too good to be true, and they dominated the regular season. And they just couldn't get it done. I mean, the team that lost Coach K's last season, too. Big Cat, did you cash out of your Gonzaga future? Yeah. Yeah, a long time ago. I'm still holding that. Oh, the minute they got killed by Michigan. I'm talking like November I cashed out. Well, I took it the day before Michigan. You told us to take it. Rico. It's Rico. Posco. I think I had the Gonzaga future for 15 hours and lost like eight grand.

28:13Yeah, I still have it. I was like, I got to get out now because this team's not going to win. Maybe Michigan State. I'm trying to look for a value play right now. I know. All the value. Florida went down to what are they? Eight to one. Yeah. What do you have UConn at, Hank? I have Florida and UConn both at 12-1. Oh, nice. You got it on Florida? All of these are on the DraftKings Sportsbook, by the way. All right. I can't find it. Whatever. Michigan State 40-1. Is there any value there? Yes. Meme says yes. Yeah, I think there is. The 10-1 to get to the final four. Their offense goes. It's like very Izzo.

28:48Well, BYU. No. No, they suck. And they lost. They've lost twice this week, right? And Saunders is out for the year. Saunders is out. They lost to West Virginia. Max wanted value. I'm finding value for him. St. John's is the value. Yeah. Arkansas, too. 70-1. Alabama might be value. If Alabama just shoots.

29:10Hank:What's Houston at now? 10-1. Yeah, value. Marquette. You can say anything. Marquette. Marquette. Marquette. Marquette is one of the worst. Yeah, they need to win the Big East to get in. I actually think they might not even, if they won, they're just like, still, I don't think so. Marquette. Marquette. That might not even be listed. No, it is. No, I'm looking at it. Oh, yeah. A hundred. What is that? A hundred to one? Marquette. That might be. One dollar to win a thousand. It's a thousand to one. A thousand to one. Marquette. That's value, dude. That is value. That's really good value. Okay. Let's transition to some cleanup on NFL Combine.

29:52combine the first and i think the biggest headline for the nfl combine was aaron glenn fell asleep

29:58Hank:that's some fake news that's some fake news that's rubbish this is classic legacy media cat trying to chime in what happened they caught a bad angle of aaron glenn he's looking down at his tablet i'm gonna get memes back on this he was looking at his tablet guys can't look at their tablets anymore because people think that they're falling asleep he's doing what he's supposed to be doing now everyone is starting to think now everyone's starting to think that maybe the coach the New York Jets doesn't have his shit together. And it's bullshit memes. I got your back. Aaron Glenn is locked in. He's as ready as he's ever been.

30:26Hank:Jets playoffs next year. Memes, is he asleep? I think he was looking down. He could have been sleeping. I really wish this happened to another coach.

30:38Hank:But after thinking about it, I don't think it matters. Right. Because you're just watching guys running a straight line. Here's the question. No, it doesn't matter at all. Given the Jets' history of guys that they have drafted, wouldn't it be better if they were paying less attention at the combine yeah if they all close their eyes yeah that's fucking mean just saying that's really mean the uh the yeah other than that from the combine we had some guys run really fucking fast yeah the the running backs the running backs have decided that the way that they'll all get paid more is if they all get really really fast i saw a theory floated out there that we're right on the cusp of like around six seven years ago was when height yeah six seven when when uh was when high school athletes started training like getting you know personal trainers and training like pros and now you're seeing just an absolute like because it did feel like there was a ton of guys that had eye-popping like numbers and it's because we're reaching those guys who started training in the high school range as pros are now about to be pros.

31:47Hank:Yeah, everyone's getting really fast, and I feel like this is about the peak of what the human body can do at these sizes and these weights. Yep. Because now I don't know about you guys, I'm starting to get fatigued or numb to the good times that players are putting up. Yeah. Like 10 years ago, if there was a guy that was 300 pounds that ran like a 4.7 or a 4.8, I'd be like, holy shit, that's incredible. Now I hear about five of these guys every year. You looked at the running back times this year, and everyone's like 4-3 something. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's pretty much what I've come to expect.

32:18Hank:Yeah, that's what you need to be. The one that did get me pumped was Kenyan Sadiq, our guy from Oregon, who we just spam when we play Dougs. He ran the fastest tight end time since 2003. That is pretty incredible. So 4.39. That's fucking fast. Yeah, also. He's an absolute monster. It's a smokescreen season for Makai Lemon. Everyone's free. I don't think I've ever seen as many anonymous reports about Mekhi Lemon and how weird he was in his combine interviews as I have this year. It feels like that's the most talked about rumor going around the combine, and no one's giving any specifics whatsoever.

32:55Hank:It's just like every team was kind of freaked out by this guy. Well, yeah, he had the press conference where he was looking kind of weird, staring at reporters. And then, yeah, you're right. The anonymous sourcing, none of it. I mean, the guy's really good at football. Who the fuck cares? Yeah, also kind of what you want from a wide receiver. Wide receiver, yes. Do we have – is Fernando Mendoza's hands too small? Are they too small? No, I don't think – but he might be fat. Oh. Fernando Mendoza actually has just built like a brick shithouse. I think he's like 230, which is heavier than people thought he was going to be, but in like a good way.

33:31Hank:Yeah. Because there was one picture of Mendoza from the combine taken from behind, and it's just his arms with these veins. He looks jacked. The veins in him. So, yeah, it's like he's the same body size as Big Ben coming out. Yeah, his hands were nine and a half inches, which I think is fine. That's fine. It's not a freak. How big were his arms? His arms were huge, massive. Arms were 31 and seven eighths. I don't even know what that. What is that? I think that's fine. Yeah, I think that's fine. The smallest hands were Cade Klubnick with nine and a quarter. We didn't have any sub nines. I think sub nine is when we start to mock them.

34:09Hank:It's like right at nine. Yeah. That's where the cutoff usually is. There's also - Carson Beck had the largest with 10. Oh, huge hands? Huge hands. There's a big, like a story that's brewing under wraps at the combine, and it's been happening for the last couple of years. But the guy that measures arm length at the combines is not good at measuring arm length. Oh, no. Because now this is going to be two years in a row where the arm length that's measured at the combine does not add up to what happens at the individual workouts or the guy's pro days. Yeah, but those numbers, the pro days are one guy.

34:43Hank:It's one guy that measures at least the offensive lineman. There's one guy who's in charge of the tape measure for the arms. And apparently he's got a short measurement. I don't know. Oh, hey, that's good. Because it doesn't add up to everything else. Yeah, but the pro days are always very funny because the pro day numbers are always way better. They're way better across the board. Way, way better. Because, I mean, like Ohio State has a, what is it, 37-yard, 40-yard dash? Mm-hmm. They have their guys too. And then we also had the grades. We had the grades, the NFLPA grades for all the teams, everything.

35:18There weren't many notable things other than the Bengals went from an F in food to an F -. That's pretty hard to do. like most of the teams they actually try to get better the bangles are like no we're going to give you even worse food yeah they the bangles punish you for opening your mouth yeah you guys

35:37Hank:thought it was bad here's really bad also i want to stand up for the bangles real quick because f minus is not a real grade and no one no one in school has ever gotten an f minus you get an f that's as bad as it gets yeah the i mean i guess the food is that bad also the the steelers locker room only has five bathroom stalls for the entire team that's egregious that was very funny that's insane five bathroom stalls for 53 large men that have to take shits all the time that's actually torture j yeah tj watt probably stabbed himself in the lung because he's like i just need to i need to get out of this place so i can take a shit if you're a steelers fan think about this Your favorite player is oftentimes awkwardly trying to silence his shit, which no man should have to do.

36:25Hank:That's probably what drove Antonio Brown and Le 'Veon Bell crazy. Yeah. Was just having to work in that environment for so long. There's nothing worse than when you go into a packed bathroom and you have to sit next to someone. You know you're next to someone who's been there, and you got to put a little bit of the silencer on it. You just can't let it go. It sucks. The other thing I noticed in these grades is that every team hates their home field. Yeah. Well, it's because of the turf. Yeah. Well, even some teams that have grass playing fields, they don't like it. The Steelers, yeah, because they play like a million football games that are not Steelers football on that field.

36:58Hank:But, yeah, across the board, it's like, yeah, we don't like our home team. We don't like our home field. We also don't like travel. None of the guys like their travel department. Big surprise there. The last story I had from Combine, this was just like news and notes. What's going on with J.J. McCarthy? I feel like the Vikings are maybe putting out some troubles. I heard Kyler, potentially Geno Smith. Geno, huh? I read an article that everyone was like, yeah, none of that was Geno's fault last year. Well, if you look at what the NFLPA report card was for the Raiders, they hated their offensive coordinator.

37:36Right. So, I don't know. There's a chance that the Raiders keep Geno Smith.

37:43Hank:Is Geno Smith this year's Geno Smith? He might be. Whereas everyone wrote him off. Yeah. Kyler, Geno. I mean, the Vikings, if you see what happened with Sam Darnold, wouldn't you want to go to the Vikings? Yeah, probably. That would be the spot. Probably. I think Kyler should definitely want to go to the Vikings. Yeah. I think J.J. McCarthy should want to go back to the Vikings. He should want to play for Kevin O 'Connell. Yeah, maybe Kevin O 'Connell is really good at finding guys that have sucked other places and then bringing them and fixing them. maybe he's not so good at identifying guys straight out of college that are already good.

38:18Why are you guys yelling at each other? Because Hank is watching this Sixers-Celtics game, and he just doesn't look. He just looks at his phone when the Sixers go on a run, and every time the Celtics make one basket, he looks at me, and he's like, two to the head. And he just looks down at his phone when the Sixers go on an 8-0 run. Yeah, see? Wow. Also, the Sixers suck. Two to the head. The Sixers are a bad team. Two to the head. And Embiid's not playing. They lose it. The Sixers are back to losing every game that Embiid doesn't play. Damn. Either way, I agree with you, PFT. J.J. McCarthy should want to play for Kevin O 'Connell.

38:52Hank:Yeah. 100%. J.J. McCarthy should do the Chet Powers thing and just disguise himself as somebody else and then be like, hey, can you fix me, Kevin O 'Connell? I'm some unheard of former college football player. Bring me into your system. Did you see, like, J.J. McCarthy won a national championship, what, three years ago? Was it top 10? Was he the 12th pick? What was he picked? Nine. Either way. I don't think he was nine. He is nine. But is a professional quarterback in the NFL. Did you see the Ayatollah on the nine meme? That's tough. I did not see that. He had Ayatollah on the 9 jersey in the locker room.

39:36Hank:I do remember the Ayatollah. Where are we at as a world? Professional quarterback's getting mixed up in geopolitics. Well, there was somebody, I think it was Menejad, the former president of Iran, is a big-time University of Michigan fan. Oh. And back in 2018, he said like, Yeah, he was like, Inshallah, the University of Michigan will return to its glory in football. Yeah, RIP. wait he died too Mahmoud Abednego I think so did he get the 9 treatment he got 9 yeah I did see you see there's some guy has the Expos account Montreal Expos like he has the actual official account and he runs it like the official Expos team and he's like due to unforeseen circumstances we have cancelled the Ayatollah Khomeini's bobblehead night from April 14th

40:31okay what else any any other national sports podcast topics it was there does Shane Lowry choke oh big time big time biggest choke give me the give me the stage for the choke he was up three with three to go he double bogey two holes in a row which he's never done in his pro career double bogey two in a row both of them wide right yeah he went in the water two holes in a row bear trap said he he said it won it stung the most because he just wanted to win for the first time in front of his daughter his daughter was there and he choked oh

41:03Hank:so you know how last week we were talking about the hack to winning a golf tournament is to like have a kid or to get married and then that way they'll definitely show you on the broadcast and like show your your wife and your kids as you're going up the 18th fairway and all that uh they tried to do that this week with the guy that won echevarria but the thing about him was like he just closed on a house earlier this week and so what a magical week this has been for him and his young wife so they were just talking about what a great story it was this youngster buys a house and wins a golf ball the house you can't write this if you tried to bring that to a script developer in hollywood they would light your eyebrows on fire and stab you in the throat they would say this is too unrealistic get the fuck out of my office yeah i'm looking to hank just sent the every tee shot hit at 16 this week and then the white dot being shane how did he hit it there that was that that's just a true old-fashioned joke yeah shank two shanks in a row and then the next hole stepped up same thing it wasn't as bad but he was up three with three to go oh i think there was a there was a stat like a win probability it was like 99.6 percent like you could have won the tournament easily easily i could have righty or lefty up three we could have had the first ever women's slalom gold medalist i would lose by 10 what was the what was the event uh yeah if it was a slalom golf hole event i'd dominate so the second shot that he hit was was so bad and then he started yelling at his caddy afterwards he's like what the fuck dude why'd you make me do that again it was very weird i think i think shane lowry just has a temper and he just needed to direct it somewhere.

42:43Hank:Your job. My three iron. If you're Shane Lowry's cat, your job is just like get bitched at if Shane does something bad. Brooks and Max played well today. Okay, good. Good. The boys are back. Max is a doubleheader. Max is the Mike. Max is playing right now. He's a Mike Tirico of golf. Oh, he's playing simulator golf. Yeah. TGL. Was it right there? It's in Florida. Yeah. Okay. So you didn't have to get like on a plane. That would have been commitment to the game. We should do the thing where it shows like his travel for today and just it's Google maps like him on the highway yeah um did you guys see the the we talked a little baseball because it is it is about to happen you see the cardinals are offering a 29 all you can eat concessions set up i saw that this actually i actually was thinking about it i don't know why more teams don't do this because there's no way that you can oh hank's doing again he did it again I'm just going to be in his face.

43:41There's no way you can eat as much as they give you for$29. You buy it, and you're like, this is a great deal. And then you have two hot dogs and nachos. You're like, I'm full. But how much do the hot dogs cost normally? I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah, you got to. I think that. Shout out to Madison Mallards. They do the duck blind where I think it's$30. All you can eat, all you can drink, too, though. Beer. Okay, so you get. And they open before the game starts.

44:07Hank:You get unlimited hot dogs, chicken tenders, bratwurst, nachos, fries, popcorns, peanuts, chips, ice cream, bottomless soda. Right. That's a great deal. It's a great deal, but I feel like no one's going to – there's going to be like a couple people who will test it. But a lot of people will spend the$29, and if you do the math, you're like, oh, but also just – yeah, you're right that the markup is probably so severe it makes sense anyway. And you know what? This is what teams are able to do now that the games are only like two hours long. True. If this was a four-hour game, they would get put out of business.

44:40Hank:You'd never be able to. I would do this if I were. If the Cubs did this, I'd definitely buy it because my kids ripped through half those things, like one bite of everything. They're mini Dave Portnoy's. Yeah, that's like the activity when you go to a ball game with a kid. It's just like every inning, let's get up and do something else. Yeah. Let's get another treat. Okay, should we do who's back of the week? And then we have Mike McDonald on the show. Great interview. and then we'll talk some 10-year... Oh, Hank's doing it again. He's three in his face. Did you get three enough? He just keeps three in his face.

45:12You guys just don't even talk about Tom Hymn with this chip. Tom Hymn with this chip. Let's go. I saw that. That's a caption? Tom Hymn. Tom Hymn with this chip. Let's go. Doesn't go in. Yikes. Memes, how do you grade that as a social media guy? Caption. Well, they've gotten 19 likes. Tom. How do you grade it, memes? I'll give it a B minus. Okay. What would you have done? Probably just wouldn't have tweeted it. Yeah, or just like decent chip. Decent chip that doesn't go in. What about, come on. I like the first reply to this tweet is, wicked respect to Max Homa for popping out after playing at the Cognizant.

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48:12Hank:I love the ones with the dogs that are getting particularly violent With the Hank stuff And they're just chomping at them, fighting over it I just pull up Twitter And I just see a dog with Hank's Stupid face And I laugh every time Like, oh, here's a dog here's the cutest dog looking at this shithead face and it's just so funny sorry Hank no offense yeah I was trying to work out look at that one it's a guy it's just Hank and for some reason dogs absolutely love it they love your stupid face well that's a good sign of character right yeah it's just like thinking of this person he's just sitting there having a Saturday and it's just he looks over it's just Hank's dumb face in his dog's mouth man look at that if you just look up that's a funny thing to look up to when you're sitting in your living room oh there's Hank's dumb face again I love it when they're just chewing off his ear too yeah his dumb ear his big dumber ear but yeah a lot of dogs just fang right into your eye put them all in the show Yeah.

49:24Yeah. Love it. Okay. And then my other who's back, just the Celtics, they're putting belt to ass on the Sixers right now. Oh, okay. They also had – They're up eight. Hey, Max. How about this, Max? Two, right in your forehead. I mean, the Sixers went on an eight-over run to cut it to single digits. It was Hank Watt. Oh, no. Hank was buried in his phone. I was – shut up. I was watching the game. Every time I was doing three, you're just looking at – I don't even know what you're looking at. Yeah, because that's what you do. and also my eye line is like I have to you're in my eye line I'm currently looking at you actually fuck you I won't look at you but that wasn't the point of my who's back regardless they had the best offensive rating in NBA history on Friday night the Nets the Nets are good oh wow dude you beat the fucking Nets the Nets are good right name three players on the Nets It wasn't that they beat the Nets.

50:20Name three players on the Nets. They had the best offensive rating of all time. Hank, name three players on the Nets. Name three players on the Nets, Hank. Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Darry Williams. Name one. Jason Kidd. Can you name one player on the Nets? One player on the Nets. I could name one. I had one. Yeah. I just pulled up. I had one from Frank the Tank. You should be able to get that. One player. No. Nick Claxton. Michael Porter Jr. is still on the team, right? Coink! Nick Claxton. Coink! But regardless, it's all-time NBA history. Oh, yeah, and Danny Wolfe from Michigan. I don't know if he even plays.

51:04All-time NBA history against the Nets. That's impressive. That happened. Did you watch the game? No. You just knew. I just saw it. Yeah, you saw the history afterwards. That's how I like to consume my history. Well, yeah, you see if stat, it's like, all right, history. History, checkmark. Done. What'd you do Friday night? Did you do history? No. I would watch the game. I was busy watching Max and Zach struggle with itchy golf. Game was definitely still on after. I don't know why Max started at 6 and we left at 8.

51:36Hank:I don't know why he's hating on the fact that you did something that's never been done before. History. Most NBA games end in two hours. Two and a half hours? Yeah, I had to drive home. Yeah. And then I turned the game on, they were up 100 And he was like, oh, that must have been history Boom, turns out Hank was right, he knows ball Yeah What was the final score? Like 148 to, I don't even know I want to look at this box They're probably sending that ball to Springfield, huh? I don't know what your guys' problem is I have no problem I'm an admirer of history You have to admit the Nets part is funny Like, the Nets are so bad History is history I like what this is a sports history podcast.

52:16No, it is. Oh, wow. So they did shoot 65 % from three 22 for 34. That's pretty insane. I tend to look forward, Hank. That is insane. The past is in the past. 22 for 34. All right. No, I won't do who's back. I'm looking at the box score, Hank. And I appreciate you bringing this up. 22 for 34 from three is nuts. That's it. That's all I got.

52:40Hank:Okay. Are you on strike now from who's back? No, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here, yeah. Well, you're being a dick. Hey, Max. I went on the attack. Max. This was me going on the attack because you're being a dick. If you were a better golfer, I would have been watching witnessing history. Two in your face, Max. Right in your forehead. Deal with it. I like the two in the forehead. There's one. There's one. You're doing free throws to the face. That's what Hank was doing. It was every single point. Free throws to the temple. It was a two-point layup in the middle of the third quarter, and he was looking at me going twos to the forehead.

53:19Oh. Oh. Clank.

53:24Hank:Okay, PFT, who's your who's back? My who's back of the week is part of my take inserting themselves into international diplomatic crises. Oh, no. Because I think that we need to speak up about something. Okay. And there's a big story that took place this weekend that I feel like we need to use our platform to address to our listeners. Chet Hanks is stuck in Colombia right now. Yeah. Chet Hanks, Chet Hayes, whatever you want to call him, he was just with his boys in Puerto Rico just going for a nice vacation. One of them was like, hey, Chet, let's just bounce over to Colombia real quick. I got a bro in Medellin.

53:58Hank:Let's just go hang out. And because Chet Hanks is a good friend, he said, yeah, okay, let's go over to Colombia. Oh, shit, I don't have my American passport. I've got my Greek passport, which he has for some reason. so he goes to colombia he's in medellin and now he can't get back to the united states because they won't let him back in he has to get a green card now and like wait in line for that to get back to the united states there's no greater american than chet hanks and we're in danger of having white boy summer canceled this year if chet's still stuck in colombia um so we have to have an awl that works chet hanks in colombia is like white boy summer prime time but then we don't get to participate like we need chet back stateside can chet just get back by just dropping the accent he could get into jamaica yeah no i'm saying like do you think that he's he he lost his passport he keeps coming yeah they're going to customs with the accent they're like dude you're not american and chet just just talk like you probably have talked your entire life they're like chet what's wrong with your passport it's disqualification disqualification all i'm saying is that we need to get Chet Hanks back.

55:05Hank:He's stuck in Medellin right now, probably having a terrible time in Medellin. I can't imagine a guy like that has too much pressure. Max is standing up to look at me. Well, because he looks at me after everything. I'm watching the game, I can't look over. Whenever the Sixers score, it's just silence. You can look over when you score. I just wanted to see if you were looking. Yeah, I wanted to see if you were looking. This podcast has quickly become just a live stream reaction show for some nothing game. It's a game that nobody cares about. It's a game 63 in the NBA season. And let the record show Max doesn't care about this game.

55:37Well, I care about Hank being a fucking asshole.

55:40Hank:Listen, we got bigger things to take care of right now, and that's getting Chet Hanks back to the United States. And the Twitter search is fucking horrendous. That's also pissing me off. Disqualification. Can we please, we have to have an AWO that works in the consulate. Get free chat. Please. Free chat, please. And then, Chet, if you get back, you are now legally bound to come on part of my take. Yeah. Okay, my who's back of the week is Mark Sanchez because he's back in the news. They have the preliminary investigation. Is he stuck in Medellin too? He's not, but Mark Sanchez, when he got stabbed in Indy, had cocaine, fentanyl, marijuana, and alcohol in his system.

56:19Damn, dude. Did you have a game you were calling the next day? Yep. That's a wild one. He just fucked around. He went for a four-piece.

56:27Hank:Was it the next day or was it like a Friday? I don't know. And then he had like one. I think there might have been one day that he had. Either way, dude was rocking around. We hit the cycle on just a casual indie night. Just being like, I'm going for all four. It sounds like he had something that was stepped on. I don't know. That's what it sounds like to me. He was having. Uh-oh. We got another one? Max, yeah, another three. Another three. He looked that time, though, so I respect it. I respect that he looked. I respect that he looked. I'm not bringing this up, by the way. I've never said this one time.

56:55I've been silently doing this. Yeah, but you did start it with the two to the forehead. But that was between me and Max. And you also said the Celtics were going belt to ass on the Sixers. Max, it's a six-point game.

57:07Hank:It's the third quarter. It's a six-point. We got a lot of games left. We're going to have to watch the whole fourth quarter together. He said belt to ass. Max, we have so much game left in this game that doesn't matter. I agreed, and I didn't care about this game before Hank started being a dick. The Sixers lose every game and B doesn't play again. Also, Shia LaBeouf is back because that interview was wild. Charlie Sheen energy. Did you see any of it? Yeah, strange. The Mike Piazza one was very funny. Strange guy. Him just being like, fuck Mike Piazza. I tried to get his autograph 90 times. He never gave it to me.

57:40I like that. That's a grudge. It's a serious grudge.

57:43Hank:Yeah, I kind of stand with Shay. Yeah. That's a Jersey Jerry type thing. He would never forget that. No, never. All right, Zach, who's your who's back? My who's back of the week is NASCAR driver Tyler Reddick. They had the Duramax Texas Grand Prix today. It was the third race of the season. and he did win, but he's won the previous two races as well. So he's the first driver in history to start the season 3-0. Is this Jordan's guy? It is Jordan's guy. So he goes 3-0 after going winless last year. He's won three? Yes, sir. In a row? Yes, sir. Fuck yes. 3-0 is pretty solid. I wasn't this kid there.

58:19Shut up. It's ice. It's ice in his shirt. What?

58:27Hank:He's 3-0, though. Yes, sir, 3-0. And that's never been done? No, first guy to do it first three races. I thought Denny Hamlin won. Interesting. I think the first three races of the year, I believe. That's interesting. He may have won three races in a row, but I believe this gentleman won the first three in a row. Like. Oh, no. So Daytona 500, Auto Trader 400, and the Duramax Grand Prix. Stud. I also had no idea just how physical NASCAR driving was until today. You could just lose 10 pounds driving in a car. Oh, yeah. It's hot. I had no clue. It's like 150 degrees. Yeah. Sweating. That's good. Who's back?

59:09Max, you have a who's back? What are the boys doing sitting in the booth? They come in too early. They always come in early. I'm sorry I love the boys Shane I don't want you guys blame Shane why because he missed his number last week yeah but but I don't want them what was he supposed to do they would have had to come in too late he misses his number we still have like 15 minutes yeah they would have had to stand for another 15 minutes that would have sucked for them is that right I thought it was I thought it was an early well then we still have the interview coming too we have the interview that we have to do and we also have to finish this whole game we don't have to finish yeah we do Is that because the Celtics hit a three?

59:49No, the Sixers hit a three right before the end of the season. So what's the score? Six-point game going on in the four. So if you're listening this morning and you went to sleep early, you missed the thriller. Belt to ass. Yeah. Again, who could forget game 62? Are the Sixers even? The Sixers are bad. They're the sixth seed right now. Hey, six seed's not playing. Six seed's not playing. Okay, PFT, you got a couple ads before we get to that. to our interview with Mike McDonald.

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1:02:08It's this weird, like, did it happen? I was there. I'm pretty sure I was there, but it happened. It happened.

1:02:14Hank:Kind of bittersweet. Like after the game's over, you don't get to play any more football. Well, then I have to see my son now. That was my other first question was like to win the Super Bowl and meet your son on the same day. It was epic. Had to be incredible. Yeah, you could tell he wasn't happy to meet me at that point. I did see the clip, though, after that you were kind of upset that you didn't have any more practice. Like that's how much of a football cycle you are. You're just like, well, yeah, we don't get to practice tomorrow. Yeah, I do miss the group. It was such a great group. It's like going to work with your buddies every day.

1:02:47The wives aren't excited to hear that, but they're like, you just get to go to work with your boys and talk football all day. It's like, yeah, it's pretty much what we do. So it's over. It's kind of a bummer.

1:02:56Hank:That was a very strange thing to come out in the news, though. It's like the graphic. The graphic just looked bad when it was like Coach Mike McDonald spends 30 minutes a week with his son. When you look at that on a quote card, it doesn't look so great. And we were saying at the time, I think we defended you. I did because I have three kids, and I was like, it's not as crazy as it sounds. Your kids are probably around you during the week. It's just maybe you're not at home all the time during the season. Well, yeah. Well, for one, you can't go back and be like, that's not what I meant, because then that's like a bad deal.

1:03:26But it was just an extra 30 minutes on Thursday. That was what I was trying to say. It didn't come across the right way. Jack's like, he's 14 months. He goes to bed at 7 o 'clock. Right. He wakes up after I'm gone. But, yeah. Do you plan it out, though, like a practice session? We were like, first 10 minutes, we're going to read a book, next 10 minutes. Well, originally, when he was younger, it was like, okay, between naps was definitely down to the minute of exactly what we were going to do. Yeah, because those were slow intervals. But when you go from the two naps to the one nap. Yeah, that was three, then it was two, now it's one.

1:04:04Oh, my God, all right, there's only one nap? Yeah.

1:04:07Hank:It must be surreal, though, this whole offseason for you. Now you're getting to spend this offseason as the genius. Are you a football genius? No, no. Couldn't say anything to make me any more uncomfortable. Football genius. Yeah, it's like, no, it's kind of like, it's like not, I don't know, it takes away from what the players do, I think. It's like that's what makes it uncomfortable. You watch our guys play and you watch what they do and the inputs every day to make it come to life. And you're like, yeah, they're the ones that do it. Right. You look at your job as just being like it's your responsibility to put them in the best position to do what they do the best.

1:04:48Yeah, totally. It's like my job is to do everything we possibly can to put you in the best spot as many times as we possibly can in a game. And when you fall short of that, that's when you're kicking yourself in games where teams dice you up or whatever, and you're like, man, shoot, we really screwed that up for the guys.

1:05:05Hank:Do you have a photographic memory? Do you remember every play? No. Can I test you on one play? Sure. See maybe if you remember. All right, so it's in the Super Bowl. It's the third quarter, 16 seconds left. Third and six. Drake Mays got the ball. Yeah. What happens? Are we in – we're in – well, there's some more to the call, but are we in the man of line cover two sack fumble? I was about to say that, but yeah. Yeah, it sounds like you remember it pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know that third and six was – I thought it was third and five, actually. So it's interesting you say that because on the broadcast, it did say third and five initially.

1:05:43Hank:Then they went back. They updated it later to make it third and six. Well, so I shouldn't have called it then because it was originally for like the third and medium category. Yeah. And then third and five was like in the first category. And I was like, ah, like one yard, you know, like, is it worth doing it but we said that was our next call and we ripped it and the guys it worked out it worked out pretty sweet i didn't know if you had done any film in the scouting on drake may ahead of time but third and six he's a great quarterback but third and six is the one down and distance he struggles with disproportionately just that yard yeah just that one yard i'm glad they fixed it then so i'm glad it actually wasn't third and five yeah that's that's why that happened is because that that weird stat we're scouting them on third down they're like undefeated on like third and two, third and three, third and six.

1:06:27Third and six. It's obvious. I got a question about the Super Bowl. Your use of Devin Witherspoon in the Super Bowl, because he didn't blitz. I think I read he blitzed, what, 12 times maybe? Or it might have been 20 times during the season in 12 games. And then you blitzed him six times in the Super Bowl. Was that something like that comes to you during the week of preparation where like this is something they won't expect and we know we have an edge here? We didn't think it through that lens. I think he's such a great blitzer, but on first, second down, Nick's normally at that position, and Spoon's been playing outside a ton, so it's hard to blitz him when he's outside.

1:07:04But we just felt like in that game plan, some of the stuff that we were able to get to in some of those passing situations, it was important to bring the nickel, and it turns out he's a great blitzer. So I was like, all right, let's go for it. And you did it early, too. I rewatched some of the blitzes because they're incredible. There was one where it was Nick and Devin Witherspoon on opposite sides, and then you drop both tackles. And it's like there's nothing the offense can do because you're basically holding the ends, and the running back has to make a choice, and they're going to be wrong no matter what.

1:07:39You can design blitzes. There you go. That's all you got to do. You just got to make sure you have an extra guy. Yeah, but that was early in the game where maybe they aren't expecting that, and it felt like the aggression was dialed up a little bit for the Super Bowl. Well, Spoon is such a great knack for the timing of plays and when to kind of uncover and when to blitz. But, yeah, we're in zero, so it's not like it's the smartest thing of all time. We're just bringing an extra guy. Right. But it's how you disguise it and how you hide it. We're so much shell and we don't blitz that much, so when we do do it, you want to make sure you're right.

1:08:12Yeah.

1:08:13Hank:Have you gone back and watched the Super Bowl? I haven't. You should go back and watch the TV. It's pretty sick. It was pretty good watching on TV. I've never watched a TV copy, but I think I'm going to watch this one. You have to. You should, yeah. I'm going to, like, commercials and everything. Yeah. I want to just watch it straight through. You want to enjoy the moment. Like, it's honestly amazing that the Seahawks are now back so soon after they had success, like, earlier this decade. The GM that you work with, Schneider, seems like just the greatest dude's dude of all time. Absolutely. Have you had a word with him about the importance of undershirts?

1:08:43Hank:The pit stains sometimes look like they're a bit more. What I respect about Johnny is he's owned it. It's like, yeah, dude, I sweat. That's what I do. It's kind of his thing. It's kind of cool. It's a calling card. It seems like he's a great guy to work with. Everyone that has worked with and around him has nothing but the best things to say. What's that relationship like when it comes to evaluating who's actually going to be on the field for you? Because I'm sure you want to have your say. He wants to have his say. Yeah, I think we just look at it through the lens of like, who do we need up for this game to go win?

1:09:11and so he's not like, hey, you need to play this guy or play that guy. It's just, okay, how can – and a lot of times there's transactions to go with it too. Like we've got to elevate guys from the practice squad or maybe we've got to sign a guy onto the team and now you've got to cut a guy. It's like there's a lot of moving parts, and so he's kind of like a problem solver to get to the most optimum roster going into every game. So he's great at that. Nolan Teasley does a great job of that too. He's our assistant GM. he's always got like the out-of-box type of ideas. But yeah, he's really responsible for like the environment of the building that makes it so much fun to come to work every day.

1:09:50It's really his fault that I wanted to come back to work and not hang out with the family. What was – like how did the decision to bring Sam Darnold in, was that John starting it and then you were being like, hey, I think this could work? Because obviously you know the narrative for Sam was the outside public being like the seeing ghost guy and the guy at the jets but he was so phenomenal wins the super bowl like incredible incredible story but how did that all start and come together well i think it happened in like what like three or four days from when when we traded geno to once like sam happened so when it became clear that we weren't going to be able to get geno back it was like okay well what's the next thing and so you know there's some good quarterbacks on the market and sam was one of those guys and i mean he's still super i mean you forget how young he is yeah and then we you know we played him the year before and he diced us up uh at our place which sucked and then so it's like okay this guy's he's pretty good and then you know having clint and working for the whole year so it's like we had all these like data points and there's people in our building that were with him at usc that like loved him loved the person so it just kind of came together like man this guy's getting me sounds like a great teammate he's gonna be a great leader he's got great tape i think like i think the what people were attributing to at the end of the season like the run there's the rams game and maybe that was the lions game or something it's like it's not a great take like okay there's a couple couple rough games you know you could argue on why those things happen but you look at like the you know the whole season and what he did i was like dan he won 14 games and yeah and he played at a high level and he came in and beat us

1:11:26Hank:like this guy's pretty good yeah that must have stuck with you because you mentioned it a couple times like the fact that he came in and you got to see what he can do against your defense who you obviously believe pretty highly in yeah uh and to see that up close that sounds like that was like the x factor that yeah it's like i'm not a quarterback guru by any by any means but i do think like it does mean something like feel the guy in person you know of like what it can you like tilt the field do you feel like the competitor do you feel like he's turning it down um do you feel the poise you know like if we if we feel like we're putting like stress on him like how does he handle those types of things and uh like we just we couldn't he was like on you know couldn't get to him that game so that that stuck with us yeah have you uh have you updated your linkedin page to include super bowl champion no i did i did like became to my attention that i i remember i had a linkedin page and i was so upset with myself that i updated it as like head coach i was like that was it's that was a that was kind of a chotch move no that's awesome no i just and then i'm like well Well, now it's like an overthink thing.

1:12:28So it's like, well, now do I delete it? But now it's a thing. It's like a Vince Vaughn wedding crash. It's in my mind. It's like, you know.

1:12:34Hank:Awards and recognition segment, like Super Bowl champion head coach. Yeah. You just got to put it up there heavy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of cool the way it is right now. I don't know. Just like a time capsule. I have a hard time thinking I'm going to go in and type that in. Log it in. That's going to be a tough thing to do. How close are you? Because your story is awesome. You're the first Super Bowl winning head coach you didn't play in college football. You thought about maybe going to Wall Street. Were you close to doing that or was it always like, hey, this is football. It's going to be football.

1:13:05Well, I wanted to be in football, but Georgia was a grind. I mean, I learned a lot, but that was before there was like small armies of support staff. So you're doing like everything all the time. I was sleeping at the facility, like no family at that time. So I wasn't like sacrificing that. which you would have yeah i would totally neglected like everybody included yeah um and it just i just got to the point where i was like man there's no future for me like i gotta i gotta i gotta rip i gotta get out of here and um it's like as as god has it just puts the opera the baltimore opportunity in your in your life and just like and then there you go like okay let's go would you have crushed it on wall street i don't know i don't know yeah that's not so boring It does, but...

1:13:49It wasn't Wall Street. It was KPMG, like a consulting gig. Okay. What year was this? 2014.

1:13:57Hank:Everybody's making money. Yeah, you would have crushed it. Yeah, you would have done a real crush. You would have crushed it. And I was a finance major. I totally knew that, by the way. Wait, so the Baltimore thing happens, and you also went to the University of Michigan. We love the Harbaugh's. Yeah. We've had both of them on. We've dubbed ourselves Harbaugh Whisperers, because for some reason, they keep coming on our show and liking to come on our show. And Tom Crean. And Tom Crean, yeah. Yeah, Tom Crean. All of them. Yeah. But what's the difference between being in both of their systems? What's the difference between the two of them?

1:14:26I got this question a ton at Michigan, and I finally told Jim, I was like, hey, like, I keep getting these. He's like, just tell him I'm taller. And I was like, all right. That's perfect. And he can beat him up. I mean, Jim can beat up John. You know, I'll let them figure that out. So then I told John, I was like, hey, you know, this is what Jim said to tell me to say. Yeah. And John was like, well, tell him I'm 2-0. And I was like, oh, OK. Now we got a... They're exactly like that, though. I remember last year in the combine, I was actually at a dinner with the two of them. And halfway through the dinner, they started having an argument whose head was bigger.

1:14:55Oh, absolutely. And they took my hat, and they were testing it on my hat. And I was just like, what's going on right now? I believe that 100%. Yeah.

1:15:03Hank:That's awesome. Imagine that at least once a day, Jim gets up and goes back to back with somebody so he was taller. He's like, come on, let's see. We would race people to see. It was like the last guy in camp. like the punters would like race yeah he's like let's just let's they should we should race and whoever wins and i was like that's brilliant you know it was just like he just thinks of those things immediately just compete it's unbelievable i got a question about your childhood uh you're from situate massachusetts yeah so our producer hank also from situate massachusetts right on he didn't believe me i i was calling you situate michael all year and hank was like he's not from situate dude you are from situate yeah yeah i lived in situate for six years six years there you go so it's like you're on the Mount Rushmore of situate I think it's you Ryan Whitney and Hank and Hank yeah who else this is an honor yeah anyone else Hank

1:15:55clearly how'd you forget him I texted you credit to Hank after the Patriots lost Super Bowl to the Seahawks he was like another situate guy is just doing big things so he had a nice spin zone on it yeah sorry sorry to do that to you it's all right you guys have enough right yeah yeah six is good

1:16:11Hank:So you lived there until you were six and then you moved. Yeah, I went to Georgia. And then when did you decide that you were going to try to coach football? Oh, shoot. I mean, the first time I got – like I sucked in high school and then I ended up getting hurt. And so then my whole senior year I basically coached the linebackers. I thought I invented power. Like I would doodle plays during class. And I brought it to my – and we were running this play and I was playing fullback and my job was to kick out the defensive end. and I just got like my ass kicked like all day every day like the guy would kick my ass and I'm like well if we would just like pull the guard they're like we might have something here I brought it to my coach I'm like hey look like what do you think he's looking at me like you're an idiot you know just like shut up and get away so I was always interested in it and then I did it when I was hurt my senior year and then um again like my high school coach ended up taking a job in Athens not you know not near Atlanta and then it was like man I gotta I gotta go for this did you uh did Did you play a lot of Madden to get good at like clock management and time management?

1:17:11Well, NCAA was my favorite growing up. And then that game kind of, Madden got better like what, 10 years ago? Yeah.

1:17:19Hank:Is there anything like specifically about video games that you can look at and see, like this really helped me in my progression coaching actual football? You know, it really is like problem solving. Like this guy won't be running his freaking play or he's got like a glitch play and it's just like pissing you off and you got you got to figure out a way to like stop it you know and so like that happens shoot every play when you're calling plays you know you're always either like attacking something or you're like mitigating risk somehow or trying to like protect somebody or you know attacking somebody so it's always a reason on like why you're calling it but you're really playing off the guy that that's calling plays across from you so yeah that definitely transfers was there a specific thing that the rams because your your defense was so good all year and then you played these two rams games at the end of the year yeah that they we're still looking for answers yeah you won them but they did have the most success that anyone had uh against your defense was there anything specific that they were doing that was like you just couldn't figure out or crack the code i hate to say like i mean it's just we got enough stops to win but like we didn't play like up to our standard and they played they played great football and they had great game plan so like a combination of you know I think they did some great stuff IDing some things how we operated operationally that um they're great at like how they operate and then you know Sean's great at having change-ups and compliments off of things and then you know you got the MVP with you know a great I mean this the personnel they have Puka making the plays he's making it's just um those are some tough games man I mean our guys played hard but the game we came back and we sucked in the first half, we played great in the second half, ended up giving it a touchdown.

1:19:00We've had these back and forth with the Rams really for the last three years. Yeah. I feel like we're just going to keep evolving and sharpen each other for the next, I don't know how many years we go at it. It's going to be exciting. Two things in those two games, though, the punt return from Shahid and then the muff punt by the Rams in the playoff game. Yeah. It feels like you put a very big emphasis on special teams and other teams around the league maybe don't. Like, is that something that you're very deliberate about? Because it does feel like when we get in these playoff games, it's always like, oh, a special teams play can swing everything.

1:19:35Well, you know, another Harbaugh. Yeah. You know, Jay's our special teams coordinator. Right. And he's just – he's a lead at his job. And, I mean, all we know is how Jim and John, you know, they treat special teams. So, like, that's how we've been trained. And it does turn out it's a third of the game. Right. You know, it's like why would you treat that any differently? But don't tell anybody, you know, we'll keep playing great special teams and keep helping us win games. Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:02Hank:Is it important to you to keep calling plays on defense? Does it feel like that's something that you're ever going to give up as a coach? When I came into the opportunity, I told everybody, like, we'll call plays as long as we feel like it's best for the team. Ultimately, at one point, I've always thought, like, I would like to just coach, like, the whole team, you know. So we'll see. I mean, I think the timeline's a little different than we thought coming in. I thought it was going to be like a year or two before we kind of moved in a different direction. But I think the thing that we have right now on our staff, it's not just me calling plays in the corner.

1:20:39It's like AD's hand on the front. We're marrying the front in the rush. Carl's doing coverage adjustments with Jeff and KO and those guys. So it's kind of like this organized chaos on the headset. that are like what we're going to next, how we're building things. So ultimately I'm the guy like saying the words, but it's really like everybody's, you know, kind of coming together on how we're going to really progress throughout the game. You know, like if you call a third down and third down and five or third down and six, it's like, well, do I, we're going to come back with the same time next time or is there a compliment the next one?

1:21:10Like it's, you gotta be thought out on, and you gotta be ready because you know, things happen. And like, if I tell a player, if I tell the guys, Hey, look, the next third and six is going to be this call. And they have like 10 minutes to think about it. Like they're going to execute that way better. Right. Oh shit. Whatever. In the, in the, you know, in the spur of the moment, like execution goes way down when that happens. Yeah.

1:21:32Hank:I heard, I would say whatever you're doing right now, it's working pretty good. Yeah. I heard that you, you don't finish your play call sheet to like two hours before the game, which is, that's very typical. Like most coaches are finishing it Friday or Saturday at the latest. What is that? Is that, is that something you always have done or is it just like you, you got thoughts going all the way up until kickoff? When I was in Baltimore, I'd finish it earlier. And so, but I would still like, you know, going through like different, I don't really know that situation as well as I should right now.

1:22:00I got to go, let me go like, like buzz that again, get ready to go. Or maybe it's two minute. But in the last two years, like you got so much stuff at like throughout the week as a head coach. Like my process gets kicked back and I procrastinate like a, like a son of a gun with everything I do. So like, I just want to wait till the last second. And so we actually have a cool cadence now. After the 90-minute meeting, Carl comes in and AD comes in and we write down our final pass rush fronts. We write down what we're going to do in a two-minute and sometimes it's fourth down. Sometimes it's short yardage with CP.

1:22:31We go all the way up there. So you really go up until the gun. You wait all the way. We know what's in. We're not installing anything, but organizing our thoughts on how we're going to go in some of those critical situations. Was there a moment in the Super Bowl that – and I know there was a clip of you being like, I'm not celebrating until it's zeros. But was there a moment where you're like, I think we're better than them significantly? Because it felt like, especially early on with some of the blitzes, with some of the situations you were putting in, it's like if the Seahawks just take care of the ball, this is going to be very tough for the Patriots.

1:23:03We gave up some big leads in Baltimore the first half of that first season I was coordinating. And so I learned very quickly, you've got to keep the foot on the gas, stay aggressive, and you're trying to go win the game. You're trying not to not lose the game. Right. And so, you know, you're calculating possessions and time on, like, how you're going to handle the game, like, game management-wise. But, like, even after, like, Chenna's touchdown, I'm like, well, shit, that's a pretty big lead. Like, that's kind of cool. Like, I think we might win, you know. And then they go right down to the field and score.

1:23:35You're like, well, shit, here we are. You're like, now we need another stop. So, that's where their mind was. Just like, okay, like, what's next type of mentality. And then, honestly, until, like, the last drive, because it was like, Like, well, at the last drive, they could just go score. Now they're on an onside kick to, like, tie the game. Right. And so, really, to the last play, I was like, oh, shit, now we're going to win. Yeah, you're going to win the Super Bowl. Do you have – I know it's hard, you know, after winning a Super Bowl to say you have any regrets from the season, but do you have any regrets from the season, and why is it that you didn't get the ball to Jake Bobo enough?

1:24:10How awesome is it that they made that play? He's the man. We screwed that up. You're surprised. What are you talking about? It's Bobo. I know. We really screwed that up. Yeah. We had him on the show of Super Bowl week, and he's the man. He's like, I need to play more. Yeah. No, we tried to gas him up. We're like, you need to go in there and say, give me the ball. He should have done that. Maybe we would have won three more games. Yeah.

1:24:31Hank:I mean, he was very polite and reserved and gave all the credit to his coaching staff. We're like, dude, you got to say, you got to be more of a wide receiver. To be honest, a real wide receiver, a diva, would be like, give me the ball. And Bobo doesn't do that enough. Yeah. I mean, he had every right to. Yeah. He had every right to. Just feed Boba, please. We got to have that. Just Jake Boba. I know. That's probably the biggest regret. Good. Good. Was there anything that you had in the tank for the Super Bowl that you didn't get to use? Like a trick play or a gadget play, but it was so much of a blowout that it wasn't necessary.

1:25:06Hank:No, it was actually funny. I mean, I remember on the sideline telling the guys in the headstand, I was like, guys, we're just about out of pressures. You know? Yeah. We pretty much called everything on the call sheet. we got things that are in every game and stuff but I'm glad that we didn't need it like later on in the game because we kind of fired all our bullets pretty early. Did you have one that was someone other than Sam Donald throwing a pass like a wide receiver or anything? Yes. God damn it. I bet every Super Bowl I bet over two and a half players to have a pass attempt. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get to that one.

1:25:41That's Clint's fault. You can play that with Clint. Yeah, that is. That's good stuff. Now he's the enemy. Yeah, right. Yeah, we should get after him. Make Clint as uncomfortable as possible.

1:25:48Hank:Is it true that good offense beats good defense? No. So what about perfect offense versus perfect defense? Is that possible? Is it true that there's no defense for the perfect pass? Dan Marino. Respectfully, no. Okay. So what is the defense for the perfect pass? Perfect defense. Okay. Is that possible? A guy who gets touche on the ball. Touche, well played. Yeah, I love this, just living in theoretical spaces. This is awesome. Yeah, just cliches about football that you've heard people say all the time. Yeah, I mean, yeah, great defense is going to beat great offense, right? I mean, defense wins championships.

1:26:31There's a lot of like – Is that true? Yeah, it is this year. Is it true? Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of like Super Bowls and big games in the past where I feel like if you were just like chalk up all the ones where like the great defense went against the great offense, I feel like the defense is probably one more. I'd agree. Yeah. Especially also what you are able to do is get pressure with four. You don't like blitzing. I love blitzing. But you don't do it often. I love blitzing when it's going to work. Yeah. Yeah. Why blitz if it's not going to work? That's a good point. How are you able to – is there something you do specifically to time up the quarterback's snap count and everything?

1:27:08because you were... How dare you suggest that? No, I'm just saying, like, studying tape and stuff because, like I said, in the Super Bowl, Witherspoon was... He was just shot out of a cannon multiple times where he just had it perfectly. Well, this is a shout-out to the 12s. It's way easier to do that when they're on silent cadence. Yeah. You know, if they're on verbal, like, they can really... They can go on anything they want. Their verbal cadence is to the point where, like, they can bring it down, like, really low and still adjust protections and stuff. But when you're on silent, your operation's pretty much locked in at a certain point.

1:27:38and Spoon's got a great feel for that. Shout out to the 12s. The 12s were – It was really incredible, wasn't it? It was one of those things where we were watching because the last time the Seahawks were in the playoffs was during COVID at home. And when the opening kick gets returned back to the 49ers, we're like, oh, fuck, this game is over. We forgot about the 12s. We forgot how crazy this is. And you could really feel it when teams were playing there in the playoffs. Well, it sucked last year because we couldn't win at home. Right. And then our first year, I'm like, gosh, you know. But the place was still rocking, but you could tell there was another level to where it could go.

1:28:18And so we finally made it come to life this year, man. It was freaking awesome. The playoff atmosphere was insane. Yeah, we brought that up actually a few times. You were kind of an anomaly where you were insane on the road to start your career. Yeah. What was that? I don't know. It was crazy because it was like you had Seattle. Yeah, and it was like Mike McDonald just doesn't lose on the road. Yeah, we just love losing at home. Yeah, it was great, you know, just to keep it close. I don't know. Defensively, it is harder to play at home, believe it or not.

1:28:46Hank:Yeah, I was going to ask, is the noise level a factor? Because obviously it disrupts the offense, right? Yeah, we've had to adjust how we operate on a certain level and what we can call and things like that. But, yeah, it turns out how you play is way more important than being in a sweet call. Yeah. So we learned that one the hard way. Do you have anything in mind for – because winning a Super Bowl is very, very hard. Repeating is even harder. Not a lot of teams have done it. I saw a lot of your messaging this year was like how much you love the guys. Have you thought about how you're going to change it up?

1:29:17Just like maybe OTAs, you show up and you're like, I hate you guys. Just switch it on them. Yeah, just keep them on their toes. Or like the, wow, we don't care. Maybe this year it's like we're going to read every comment. Yeah, we, guys, we're going to care. way more this year. Yeah, we're going to care too much. What's the Seattle Seahawks Reddit saying about us? Like, you pull that up. Maybe that's what you should say. I know that's the thing, but yeah. I mean, that's really great source material. And it's like never going to run out. Yeah, right. So I'll always have a team meeting ready to go.

1:29:46Hank:We care too much. Yeah, we care. What do you think about the nickname The Dark Side? Do you like that nickname? I do. I think it's pretty cool. Who came up with that? I'm pretty sure Leo came up with it, right? Leonard? I'm not sure. I wasn't sure if it was like born from the team or if it was born from like a writer. I'm pretty sure Leo and the guys came up with that. I feel like it's a very menacing nickname when it goes well. If it doesn't go well, it doesn't look good. The dark side is really easy to point out and be like, ooh, the dark side. All right, here's the first thing on the Seattle Seahawks Reddit right now.

1:30:20Oh, perfect.

1:30:20Hank:It's don't talk about my QB. Oh, that's good. And just Sam Darnold with his – some good stats about Sam Darnold. So you're good. People are very happy. there's a graphic that somebody made that makes it look like you guys are star wars and you're the super bowl champions this is actually rat poison this is like too good the stuff that they're saying about you right now yeah how does that work do we need to like struggle for maybe yeah you know oh here's some adversity yeah get some adversity then get them talking shit and then we can care more yeah that's exactly what you got it sounds like it sounds like a winning strategy oh here's a good one uh have you ever seen this meme before it's like a timeline of a game right and at the start says oh boy am i excited to watch my favorite team play and then right in the middle it says i'm going to kill reek woolen and then it says nice we won um no i haven't seen that one shout out reek that was a pretty crazy moment in that rams game huh but i i said like i don't know what you're talking about all right i thought it was really good that he like the team was able to bounce back from that moment yeah after what could have just been like a disaster yeah i totally agree well one i was the one that probably had to come back to back to earth i was pretty upset but i actually i watched it actually on the tv copy on like the um it's like interspice on the on the system so it really wasn't that bad of a penalty like i thought like in real time i thought it was way worse they shouldn't have gone over there but i like i don't know i've seen worse yeah you know not the best decision but yeah i think in that moment it would have been really easy to just crumble to like mentally fall apart yeah after you go from i screwed him up on the next play.

1:31:55I put him in one-on-one and that was dumb. I shouldn't have done that. Yeah. Alright, so here's another one from the Seahawks Reddit. Radicus9, this was after your first year. Someone posted just saying what is everyone's thoughts on Mike McDonald after the first year. Radicus9 said he's okay, had some huge things work in his favor and was unable to take advantage of them. A considerable regression is likely next season. Whoops. That guy was wrong. I love that. Yeah. I love that. What do you think? Is he like, you think he's like hey you know i screwed that up or i don't know what he's like sticking to his guns like we need to hear from radicus nine be like dude you said regression's here two like lucky super bowl year three he's screwed yeah he's and then this was crypto crypto klepto said he's done a good job not bad but also not great he's into crypto so yeah so maybe this is the new thing you care too much you just instead of studying film you just read the comments here's an anonymous

1:32:47Hank:quote yeah that's that's brilliant anonymous player uh i'd like to be traded away from seattle I'd prefer to be dealt to a contending team. That was from before last offseason. That was on Reddit? Anonymous player said that. Oh, no, that's a report from Adam Schefter about DK Metcalf. My mistake. My mistake. What is it like, though, when you go back with the guys this year, is there a plan to change things at all, or is it like, hey, it worked? Because you've got to keep it fresh, but you also had an incredible season. You won the Super Bowl. I think you always have to evolve, right? I mean, so how we do our off-season program is going to be a little – I have some ideas on how we're going to do it, but we have a shorter off-season window.

1:33:28So how do we maximize the time away, but also get the biggest bang for our buck during those eight to ten weeks? So we say methods and principles. So principles, how we work, how we compete, great spirit, we get after it, take care of – all that stuff, that's not going to change. But what we do in the building, how long we're there, you know what exercises we do how we do the install all that stuff will change up like how we build our systems um offensively we have a new coordinator so like it's important for the guys to be there and get back to work but like it'll look different than last offseason for sure what's the conditioning drill that you do because i heard anything test yeah you kick the shit out of everyone well i was a little disappointed that guys don't want to do it i'm like well yeah no that's conditioning yeah this is not the time to this is this is we should you can't care now Right.

1:34:17We're off that changeup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to do – the reason there's a conditioning test is so you're in shape to go to training camp, so you stay healthy, and your team's in shape so you can practice. So what is the test? What's the test? Yeah. It's six 150s at a certain 25 yards and back three times. Is that 150? Whatever that is.

1:34:42Hank:25 yards. You're the nerd. 50. We're not the numbers guys. Clearly not. So it's 50 times 6? No, 25 times 6 is 150. Oh, 50 times 3. Yeah, 150. 50 times 3, 150. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got it. You just said a bunch of numbers. And you got to do it, like, in a certain amount of time based on your position and, like, a certain amount of rest. Mm-hmm. So that's not that hard. You're confused why, guys. Thank you. Yeah, I used to do it when Trestman was the Bears coach. Every year I would try out for the team by doing the conditioning test passed every year. That's elite. Yeah.

1:35:11No big deal. I did pass at, like, the nose tackle position.

1:35:14Hank:Players love hearing that. when albert hainsworth he like tried and failed 11 times i think for washington i got drunk i drank a mad dog and then i went out i did the test and passed it the lineman test like yeah is way easier now it's like a joke yeah it's only the skill guys but the lineman ones is a joke you're confused why people don't like doing the test well i know why they don't like it but like now's not the time to like lower your standard it's a good point you know it's like oh we won so now you don't want to do what it takes to win yeah that doesn't make any sense what's your number one uh combine question you ask a guy do you like a ping pong balls in this in a triple seven or anything like that no i'm not weird i just i don't really say much i don't really ask much honestly yeah you kind of get a feel for like where the guy it kind of depends on like what you feel like where the guy's coming from i don't know anybody that goes in those meetings and says like okay i'm gonna i I got this guy pinned.

1:36:09I asked the perfect question, like, dude, you're an idiot. Yeah. And that's completely disrespectful to the scouts. I just spent three to four years following this guy's every move. Right. And now here we are for 20 minutes. Look, I got him. I asked him three questions. I cracked the case. Yeah, I cracked the code, guys. I got this.

1:36:25Hank:Has there been one guy that you've talked to that has either confirmed something that you liked about him already? And you're like, yeah, I'm now more convinced than ever because I got to meet him in person that I wanted him on my team. Full disclosure, I haven't watched any of these guys on tape yet. So this is my first exposure to them. A couple of them are guys that I started recruiting when I was at Michigan because I was a terrible recruiter. But they were on the recruiting list. So I watched them in high school and stuff. So it's cool that it's kind of come full circle, and now they're entering the draft.

1:36:56I remember that guy. I think I was sweet in high school. Yeah. Wait, why were you a terrible recruiter? I'm just awkward and just wanted to. Oh, I actually had a question about that. There was an article I read. did you know you have an awkward pause before you answer things? I don't think – I haven't noticed it in the interview, but there was a whole article about Mike McDonald's awkward pause. I did – I was aware that I did pause, but I didn't do it on purpose. Right. Yeah. Yeah, people said that it was you just like downloading information and coming up with a perfect response. I mean, that's probably what I was trying to do.

1:37:27Hank:Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like somebody wrote an article being like, Mike McDonald thinks before he talks. Is this a red flag? Yeah, maybe I'm caring too much. Maybe that's a thing. I got to care less on what I say. Yeah, I mean, if they wrote that same article about us, they'd be like, these guys say some dumb shit without thinking. They talk too fast. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that. It's way worse. Okay, appreciate it. It's way worse to be us. You sound like a normal person when you talk. Right. Thank you. Yeah. Are you such a preparation freak that you prepared the Gatorade bath? Because it got you perfectly.

1:38:00I was just like fired up there was going to be one. because the game ended and I'm like, wait, like there's no, where's my Gatorade? Is there going to be a Gatorade bath, you know? And then it was like coming straight at me. So I was like, well, you just embrace it and just jump into it, you know? It did like screw my ear. I got ear infection like a week later. Really?

1:38:20Hank:You got swimmer's ear from the Gatorade bath? I sound funky right now. I'm still dealing with it. It's like, yeah, but I had an ear infection. I was hurting for a minute. That's crazy. Totally worth it. Totally worth it. I thought it was your fullback that got you, right? it was patio and brady russell yeah yeah the uh send the fullback with mullet out as a captain was a power move you did that just as way as on purpose to intimidate right yeah yeah you need to use that story by the way uh next training camp be like hey if you guys are injured if you're hurt just know i got an ear infection from the gatorade bath and i still went to the party yeah i had a great time yeah i didn't i didn't bitch on a podcast or anything no if you have to do it over again is it worth it to win the super bowl to get an ear infection i don't know i just i don't know if we want how bad are we talking ear infection was the flight uncomfortable for you yeah this is something i'm gonna deal the rest of my life this is this is like this is permanent battle scars yeah that's right we i have one last question about the super bowl two weeks off going into the super bowl were you going a little crazy being like i just want to play because i'm I'm thinking about all the things I want to draw up.

1:39:29Like, is there a moment where you're like, I'm actually overthinking this? Oh, totally. Well, that's me all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you like you, you ask coaches that have been in the Super Bowl. Hey, what's the best way to do it? There's like different philosophies behind it. And I think like, again, being a procrastinator, it's like, and we want to keep the guys like mentally into it the whole time. So if you're like, Hey, let's do a full, full game plan the first week, and then we'll rinse repeat that next week. Like, it gets old for the guys. And, like, you don't come up with the best ideas.

1:39:59You're under the gun. So we kind of, like, ramped into the second week, had, like, a base foundation of what we felt like we were strongly about what we wanted to do. And then, like, we really kind of dialed it in the second week, and it, like, added, like, a sense of urgency behind what we were doing. That Tuesday before the Tuesday that guys had off when we were in California, like, that was a long day. And we're just, like, sitting there. and like i'm i'm like the hey well what about this and our staff's like dude we're good like just do that like we're gonna be fine we can play those plays in this defense i'm like yeah but i don't know but that's that's how we work together you know i bring up all the problems and they calm

1:40:38Hank:me down yeah did you think at any point during the super bowl that like what what have i done we might have a kicker as mvp i actually i i so the game ended and i didn't know So the game ended, okay, you do the awkward stare at the sky thing, and then you're walking towards the stage. And then I think it was Dave was with me. He was like, oh, yeah, by the way, Kim Walker's MVP. I was like, oh, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He was awesome. That's good. Yeah, great. But there was a moment watching at home where we were like, we might have a kicker. It might be a kicker. That'd be kind of – I mean, if you win, it's all good, right?

1:41:16Hank:That's true. Yeah. It's totally worth winning the Super Bowl again. Ear infection. At what cost to have a kicker be the face of the league? Ear infection, kicker's the MVP. I don't know if he's even prepared for this, but we have a guy that he played high-level college football. He was a center. He's not prepared for this. I want you to scat him. So he was on the Hoosiers, so he's a legitimately good center. You want to just give him a set and you can judge? We're at the combine right now. Yeah, we might as well. This is a job interview, Mike. I played center.

1:41:52Hank:Okay, we got a ball here. Oh, yeah, give him the ball. Give him the ball, Max. Max, you be quarterback. I played with AJ for three years. It's a sniff right there. Here we go. Let's see what you got. What do you got, Katie? So I'll kind of ask what defense you're in. You're running. Yeah, let's say there's like a shade right to your left and a five technique. on the snap, they're going to run a... Yeah, T. All right, so we're sliding left. Yeah. All right. Let's go 48 to the mic. Hey, Louie, Louie, Louie, Louie. I want to bring pressure over here really bad. Oh, should we? Wait, so then he has to check.

1:42:35He has to check. Hey, flip, flip, flip. Check. Hey, right. Hey, Roger, Roger. Roger, Roger. Green 80. Green 80. Check. Oh, he blocked the whole team. Yeah, that was good. He got the whole team, yeah. No warm-up. Yeah. Thank you, Kyle. And that's just cold. Like, ligaments intact. Yeah. Yeah. Right, meniscus, lateral. After the 2021 season, didn't miss any games. Is that as bad as an ear infection or is that? It's probably, you know. I bet your ear infection is probably worse. But, yeah. Yeah, it's impressive. Oh, cool. It's just straight cold, too. Yeah. Re-ID the protection the whole nine. I'll tell you what, we didn't time that very well.

1:43:15Yeah. Yeah, it was bad. Really nervous. Spoon was important.

1:43:18Hank:So it's interesting seeing how a defensive coach approaches that as opposed to an offensive coach because we had – so we worked with John Gruden. And the first time he met Kadic, he came into the office, and Kadic was like, yeah, I was a center at Indiana. And Gruden just goes immediately, all right, get down your three-point stance. He just goes up, puts his hand in his butt. I feel like Jim would have done – yeah, Jim would have done something like that. For sure. Yeah. I tell the story, but we were at Chargers camp. Might have been two years ago. my third child was just born and he asked how the kids were and I showed him a picture of my youngest and he was I think six months old at the time and Coach Harbaugh just goes he's got a great skull for football and I was like he's six months dude that's an all time line that's just how does he think he says things I'm like how does he think that fast he's just always thinking ball I'm pausing trying to think of it he's just like banging it out are you going to get any residuals for when the team gets sold because you increase the value so much by when it's super i feel like that's worth at least 20 million dollars right like it break you off the top if we could just like keep me in my job that would be worth it yeah you know it'd suck if they just said like hey we're gonna change everybody i think you're good i think they'll probably stay with what works give us a chance at least you know yeah that's that's a a weird circumstance i assume you have absolutely zero to do with like no control over what happens but it's going to be in the background for the next like six months or a year however long yeah it's it's um it is going on it doesn't really like affect us i mean just what we do like day to day you know i mean there's going to be some sort of transition period at some point it's probably gonna happen maybe during the season if it does just kind of like whatever it was keep rolling yeah what's the most uh important position for you on defense that you were like i need this to run my defense just give us great players man and we'll make it come to life.

1:45:12I mean, the D-line playing as well as they did just kind of unlocks everything. But it feels like, too, that if you have a really good safety, like you had Kyle Hamilton and then you in Seattle, having a safety who can do everything gives you the ability to just call everything you want to call. Nowadays, teams are trying to manipulate you and your structures that you're in based on who's on the field and are you single high, two high, man's all that stuff. So it's our philosophy is like, well, let's just give you one input, you know, and then just make you operate to like without having like cheat codes.

1:45:50And Nick allows us to do that. You know, we can stay in the same people and pretty much get to anything we need to get to, which is like kind of rare.

1:45:57Hank:Yeah. Is there a game from this season that you can look back on and say this, this forced us to make a change in a meaningful way? Yeah. Tampa. Okay. Yeah. What happened there? Nick didn't start that game and he balled out he played really well but like again that was one of those like game plans you're like this is dumb like I put these guys in like this situation this situation this situation we sucked at it like we had a terrible Friday practice and I'm like no no wonder we had a bad practice like we had done we had it was just a bad game plan you know it's like hey trust your players a little bit more you know like let's be a little bit more cleaner throughout the week.

1:46:35And then the players, I think, they understood, like, hey, look, we need to, like, the standard of how we practice every day does matter. You know, we've got to bring it even on a Friday. And so, like, together we're like, okay, let's kind of strip this thing down a little bit. We found our identity here. Like, we found, like, our sweet spot. Let's just, like, hammer that home, you know, and get really great at that. And after that, I thought we played pretty great defense the rest of the year. Yeah. The game against the Colts, did you tell your guys, like, hey, don't, like, kill Phil Rivers? They had a great game plan.

1:47:05He was throwing it so fast. He was getting the ball out. Yeah, they had a great game plan. I mean, like, they definitely operated differently than they had in all the other groups. Which, for a guy like me, it's hard to be like, I need tape. I need to, like, go off of something to build a game plan. It's hard for me to be like, hey, we're just going to run our stuff and let's go. So, like, not knowing how they're going to operate with him was a challenge. And then he came in and he was doing it like old school Phil River style. I mean, he's IDing stuff and talking shit up. they scored a touchdown it was it was actually kind of cool like yeah as much as you hate giving up a touchdown he was i was like i've seen that guy before yeah did he yell something at you uh no but he has done that in the past when i've been on that not to me personally but i want to be on the sideline like we're in a we're in a um we actually like got him to re-id the protection when i was in baltimore brought an extra guy away from the slide kind of like we just did with the over here he saw it like drifted away knew we were in a certain coverage through the post and just talked and he was like deuce you know he's like ha ha you're in deuce and he's like exactly coverage yelling us right down the sideline i was like man what a what a savage

1:48:14Hank:the guy's awesome yeah who'd you have running a scout team philip rivers

1:48:21uh jalen milro would have been a tough tough comp that week yeah yeah jalen milro but he has to only hop on one leg yeah it's like a one-legged jay mill back there you can't move you know put him in like a knee brace yeah yeah leg brace um well this has been awesome i have one last question for you it's a rowback question rhoback.com promo code take qzips uh hoodies joggers shorts pft's wearing it right now it's great my last question is uh could you give us two barks he goes give me two bark there we go give me two bark aj barner told me he's like you gotta ask for two barks we'll do it right in the middle of the team meeting aj will just start barking in the middle of team meeting and then i'll just like oh i probably need to do that now so you bark back at him oh yeah yeah you bark louder uh no wait so he yells give me two barks no that's jay reed's thing yeah but then like when aj gets like excited he'll just like bark start barking in the meeting and then you have and then you as a dog have to respond to the barks yes it's okay now i understand It's kind of like debauchery.

1:49:26The team is like this organized chaos at a certain point. Once you put your guard, it's just like, whatever. Let's just do great work and have a good time. Let's roll. You can bark at each other.

1:49:36Hank:Sometimes you have to bark until you move on. Like, okay, I barked back. Can we get back to the conversation? When it started, did you know the story about how it started? No, give it to us. What game was it? I think it was San Francisco at their place. We were fired up about to go out on the field initially. And Jay Reed's like, give me two barks. like with everybody that's about to go out and like nobody knew that that was coming so i'm like standing back there i'm like that was weird and then so he yells it again like nobody and then so like by the fourth time he yells it the guys start like barking back and then we're like okay that was really weird man like all right whatever so we took the field and then we won the game and he's like well i was trying to think of something to like get the guys going and it just came to my mind that we're dogs and we need to bark and whatever he said something at the end and then like the guys just loved it and so then that was the thing we do before games now yeah it's pretty awesome that's awesome that's great so give me two marks are we allowed to do that or is that stolen valor no you guys are honorary honorary barkers as a student at georgia did you ever bark at another man well they're calling all the dogs yeah unfortunately i did some really dumb things so i was at georgia luckily it was not recorded oh man well coach congrats on everything awesome having you on we really appreciate it thanks guys and uh now you're a recurring guest so you have to come on anytime we ask love it football genius yeah yeah football genius and barker and dog and also ear infection survivor yeah that's probably my most proud moment uh hope yeah i mean let's hope you don't take a turn for the worst here well i would say right let's we got to get you cleared medically you're fighting yeah mcdonald's strong just keep him going as long as the super bowl's come we'll do the infections keep going mike mcdonald has retired after winning the super bowl because of an ear infection thanks coach all right guys thanks mike mcdonald is brought to you by venmo you can get in the game with the college branded venmo debit card and earn up to five percent cash back at some of your favorite brands with venmo stash rewards you can add your venmo debit card to your mobile wallet as soon as you sign up pay online and in store right from your phone and the best part the card is tied right to your Venmo account, got paid back for dinner, well, you can immediately access the money in your Venmo balance, and you can spend it on what you want, game day snacks, tickets, new merch.

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1:52:32Hank:You can find yourself in the center of the dance floor. You can't help but stand up and high-five those around you at the game. The room reacts like it just got the same text at the same time. you can stop checking the time. Suddenly, small talk escalates to laughing so hard you can barely catch your breath. That's the Cuervo effect, the signal everyone understands, a moment that anyone can join and a good time that just grows. All you have to do is keep it Cuervo. Okay, boys. 10 years. 10 years, pardon my take. Pretty crazy. So we talked about it on Friday. We figured out that we recorded our first episode ever on February 29th, our first episode launched on March 2nd.

1:53:13So March 1st does feel like our 10-year anniversary. I wanted to start with it. Appreciate everyone who tweeted, had messages today. It was really cool. I always struggle with this. I don't know if you struggle with this too, PFT. It's always a little weird being like people glazing us or talking to us in a certain way because it makes me feel a little uncomfortable. But I've started to realize you got to at least enjoy these moments. It's like, I don't like birthdays anymore. I don't like anniversaries. But you do have to have a step back and be like, hey, you know what? This is really cool. And it's awesome that it means this much to a lot of people.

1:53:50But I thought the perfect description that I saw today when scrolling was can't guard Jake. Yeah, I tweeted this one. Yeah. 10 years of PMT to the day. Dumbest thing I've ever listened to. Complete garbage. Bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're talking about. I haven't missed an episode. Five stars would recommend.

1:54:09Hank:Yeah. That's it right there. It's perfect. That's our legacy. That's a great encapsulation. Idiot jazz. I'm with you. I never, like, if we're on a list or if there's, like, a sports podcast award, unless it's the time list, which I was really broken up about, the tennis podcast kind of usurped us on. I never give that any mention. It makes you feel uncomfortable. If we're on a list of, like, you know, the top five sports podcasts in the United States, whatever, that's great. But I don't, I never feel like any sort of emotion about being included in some, like, industry thing. Right. But 10 years did make me stop and look back and think about it because it's 10 years of my life.

1:54:44Right.

1:54:44Hank:And it's 10 years of what we've done all day, every day. And I got drunk yesterday. And when I went home from the bar, I actually wrote down something. I started to write a tweet out. Oh. And so I wrote the tweet and then I just kept writing the tweet. And I was like, I'm not going to post this. I'm just going to save this and say it on part of my take out loud. I love that. And I just opened it up right now. I haven't read it. Again, I was hammered when I wrote this last time. Do you want Zach to read it? Yeah. Zach, do you want to read? Zach, can you please read it? The hammered PFT tweet from yesterday.

1:55:21Yeah. I can read it if you'd like me to read it. Yeah, I think it'd be good coming from you, Zach.

1:55:26Hank:Yeah. This is like an out-of-body experience. This is going to be good. That way I can have plausible denial. Yeah, I didn't say any of that. No, I don't have emotions. Zach has emotions. Not me. I'm a man. Zach, what email address? PMT bachelor party? Oh, no. PMT. They put the nipple ring on you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I retweeted that. That's very funny. Oh, no. For all the shit that we talked about, Ryan Day. You got to know. Oh, man. All right. So, Zach, I just sent you the tweet that I started to write last night, but I did not finish. I want you to read it to the class. Here we go, Zach. It's from Zach Cornelius.

1:56:04If anything bad is said. A lot can happen in 10 years. Since we started Pardon My Take, we've seen the death of dynasties, a bunch of Boston sports championships, one Chicago championship, one Philly title, two Washington titles, zero New York championships. 10 years ago, we were bloggers. Hank was thinking about quitting. I didn't have health care or face. In the last 10 years, I've seen Hank become a creative boss with amazing production and hiring instincts. All the success of Barstool since 2016 is a direct result of his growth. I've seen Big Cat grow into becoming a father and the most talented voice in all sports media and a college football national champion winning coach.

1:56:46Thank you. We've been through a lot together. Failed TV shows, the predatory sports media business trying their best to split us up or weaken us. But the one thing that kept us together was the realization that we've got a great thing. we're lucky enough to have built this from the ground up and we don't need egos to break it up collar daddy could learn a lot from us banger banger that was great we're the luckiest guys in the entire world and we got the best job in the entire world i get to work with my best friends at the best job yeah these guys have been there through starting this podcast to fail tv shows to two cross-country moves to family starting to some very tough times personally like the loss of my dad.

1:57:28So much has happened and the only way to make it worth through these 10 years of ups and downs is you better have good people in your corner. And I've had the best right here in this room. We owe so much to the guys and the girls who listen to this show who are always there for us. To the people who used to listen, we appreciate you. To the new listeners, we love you guys too. And Lucky doesn't even begin to describe us. Ten years ago, we were hardworking shitheads with a commitment to consistent stupidity. And even though the show has changed and I don't really see much of a change in what got us to this point, I'd be honored to do ten more with you guys.

1:58:08Thanks for changing my life. Yeah. Oh, that was perfect, PFT. Thank you, Zac. Or Zac. Yeah, good job. Good thoughts, Zac. That was good because then you didn't have to get sentimental.

1:58:17Hank:That way I didn't cry. Yeah. But it's the truth. Everything you said there was perfect. I said it today. I was like, here's to 10 more and then probably 10 more after that because what the fuck else am I going to do? This is the best thing in the world. It's the best job ever. I always tell people that if I had told a guidance counselor when I was in college or high school what I wanted to do when I grow up, I would have said something very similar to what this job is right now. Yeah. And my counselor probably would have said, well, that's impossible because that job doesn't exist. nobody will ever pay yeah right do that much less like what we've been able to to do together and build and it it does it makes me sentimental thinking back over 10 years 10 years is a big part of my life i don't know about you guys longest job i've ever had by far yeah and i i hope it's the only job i've ever had i hope it's the i honestly i i want this to be the only job that i have for the rest of my life and it's uh it's incredible that we get to do it every day and i I am the luckiest person on the planet for getting to work with you guys.

1:59:19The other. So I got two tattoos on Friday and one was Vanny Woodhead. And the other is one of my favorite Grateful Dead songs. And the lyric is grass ain't greener, wine ain't sweeter. And it kind of fit with Vanny Woodhead in the fact that this is a very difficult and no one feels bad for difficult business. And what you said in that message is there are people always trying to climb the ladder. There's people who are always trying to split people apart. Be like, oh, we can, you know, whispering in your ears saying, oh, you can get this. You can get that. Oh, watch TV. This or that or the other.

1:59:54We realized a long time ago that there's nothing better than this. And it has been a blessing that we've all come to that conclusion on our own and as a group where it's like we got it. And to be able to comfortably sit in a seat and not want for anything else is such a blessing. And that's what the show has provided. And I think that's why we've done it for 10 years. And we're going to do it for 10 more years. And then 10 years after that.

2:00:22Hank:I look back at episode one. I was thinking about episode one last week. And then memes went back and listened to it. God bless you, memes, for getting through it. Oh, boy. Was it hard to get through? No, it was pretty much the same. Hank's audio was extremely low. Oh, okay. Sure. Just criticize Hank. No. Hank has always sucked. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was the first episode. His audio was low. He forgot a tripod to the shoot you guys were going to in California. What was that shoot? I love that we're having this sentimental moment, and Max and Hank are literally in a blood war right now, just locked in this stupid fucking game.

2:01:02I saw that the Celtics were playing the Sixers, and I was like, I don't care about this game, but now I do because I hate it. This is like when Diana said, oh, yeah, the people at the athletics say, you know, be more like, pardon my take. We're like, why? This is why. We can't script any of this. We're having an actual moment, and it's 99-91 in a game that means absolutely nothing. It's just three minutes before I end again.

2:01:30Hank:Reems told me that in the first episode, there was one thing that stood out. We promised to join a cult every week. Oh, no. Is that true, memes? Yeah, I wrote it down. List of things you guys said you were going to do. One was monthly remote show from a different airport in America. All right, we've done a couple of those. We did airport reviews. Yeah. And cult week. Join a cult in the summer during July. That one we could still do. I think maybe. What about in grit week? Well, we created our own cult. Yeah. I mean, it is kind of bad that we said we would join a cult. We haven't done Texas A &M.

2:02:02Hank:we haven't been to Clemson and we haven't been to Penn State those are like the big three but we should do cult week where it's just those three schools yeah but it's pretty incredible it really is like I feel very blessed again not only for the success of this show but being able to do it with people because you just look across any job it's like being you know in a marriage it's the same thing where it's like our relationships are so deep and we spend so much time together to be able to get 10 years without having anything you know catastrophically break us up or cause a problem is a true blessing and that's to all you guys and everyone in this room i wrote this in the book uh yeah book out in august we're gonna get it we get into everything but i i have always like felt weird i i am the luckiest person in the world is the fact that I was involved with the show since the beginning and you guys are super humble and gracious that when you talk about the show, you're like, oh, me, PFT, or me, Big Cat, and you'd throw my name in there with you because it's like I just happened to be the person that was producing and editing it in the beginning, and I always get a little awkward when people combine the three of us because it's always been like it's your guy's show.

2:03:18I feel very lucky to be here since the beginning, but yeah, I also hope I never – I don't plan on ever having another job. No, the show. I think I'll just disappear. It's our show. And it's the guys in the booth, too. And the guys who came in way too early to do the lottery ball. Them, too.

2:03:33Hank:It's everyone. Yeah. And hey, you deserve to be mentioned in that. Yeah, sure. Like the show would not be the same if it wasn't for you. And I did mean what I wrote when I was pretty hammered that like watching Hank grow from being like literally the guy that would show up to press record and then get it uploaded into like what you've become since that has been one of the really, really cool things about doing it. this show i also think hank talking about um how we're so lucky that we've made it this far without having uh you know anything break us up you're a big part of that you guys in the booth are a big part of that if it was just me and pft doing the same show just the two of us and our only two we it was only our two voices every single monday wednesday friday for 10 years it probably would have ended because that's just hard to do having the like ensemble cast and having everyone be a part of it it's why coming to work every day is the best because you just come in and you just bust each other's balls and have fun some laughs and it's also goes for everyone you know jake billy everyone bubba all these guys who have been part of it chili letty dykstra anyone who's been part of it at any point it like shares in this and it's pretty awesome pug i miss pug yeah i miss all of them yeah i do i miss all of them but yeah it's it's it's great and and thank you to everyone who's listened i mean we we know we i think that's the biggest message from all this 10 year stuff yeah uh is like we fully understand how lucky we are and we fully understand how awesome this whole experience is it is and we are going to ride it until we are the biggest old losers that everyone makes fun of yeah and parodies because we started parodying everyone else when we started eventually that will come for us well that's that's what it will be it will happen we'll just laugh with it kind of the beauty of the show is yeah we started off making fun of everybody else in the business and then what do you do when you become like one of the biggest in the business yeah that's how you got there that's when that's when you got to start putting your fucking name on cheesesteak it is funny yeah like if you if you ran down a list if you listen to like the first four months of the the podcast the the advertisers that we had that oh my god they were probably all like offshore gambling companies i would guess the founders of all the companies that advertise with us are probably in prison right now shout out them though yeah they're important too and there was a uh yeah there was something that zach read off and i forgot why i put it in there but now i remember like the people that used to listen to the show because i did see a couple tweets from people being like i haven't listened as much recently and it's like yeah we we do hear that a lot from people that like as they get older you know you don't have enough time to yeah but it was i saw a couple i was like dude like can you let us have one one day but you don't have to point out but honestly respect to those guys because they were like i used to listen a lot i don't as much anymore because i've gotten older but i'm really fucking pumped for them yeah that's true it's like even there were people it's like naturally you don't stay i don't listen to the same shows with the same frequency as i did 10 years ago like things change in your life you don't have enough time to listen to certain things but it's cool that we can part on good terms with the people that you yes like yeah we both went our separate ways amicably i just always laugh and like every now and then maybe late night yeah like you know thinking about it they're just like you know i'm gonna do you i just love when people i want to hear what max and hank are up to let's tap in oh shit they're watching a game and doing threes in their face i'm out again yeah now i realized why I broke up with you guys.

2:07:02I just laugh when people announce that they no longer listen like it's they're choosing a college. It's like I just want to let all my fans out there know I'm no longer listening to this podcast. But you're right. I listen to podcasts going waves in and out. I mean, life changes, but hopefully they'll find their way back every now and then. I think we still... The show's still growing. That's the thing. The show's still free. The show's still free. The thing that I love the most is like I know everyone will always pick oh here was my specific time that I thought was the best or that I really do think it's different but it's still so much fun that I think we like keep hitting peaks that we've never hit before and there's moments that I'm like that was the funniest thing we've ever done so it's like I think we still got it I still want to keep going for maybe we renew our vows yeah I'm down we get a podcast we'll do it in Vegas what if we renew our vows in Vegas.

2:08:01Hank:Just added to the list. The Max Bachelor Party's getting a little out of hand. Mark Davis. Mark Davis, Renew our vows in Vegas. It's getting a little out of hand. In terms of people invited? No, if someday they're like Big Cat lost all his money, where did it start? Max Bachelor Party. I love my boy. Have fun with the boys. It's going to be a weekend. It's going to be a weekend. I felt like when I was thinking about it uh earlier that i was 22 when the podcast started like i didn't i felt older than 22 at the time like now thinking back about how young 22 is it seems way younger than i guess i felt but i'm 32 now you guys were 32 when this podcast started and i feel 31 31 sorry i feel but i still feel way younger now than i felt like you guys were when the podcast started that was just a long way of saying we've been old for a long ass time.

2:08:55No, just maturity. I think it's just like maturity.

2:08:58Hank:You guys were so old when we started the show. I'm asking if you guys feel the same way. Sorry. Now you're really old. I actually feel opposite. I feel like... Do you think I'm... I don't know. I guess... You're more mature for sure. You're an adult now. Do you think I'm as mature now as you guys were when the podcast started? I think maturity in this room is a sliding scale. We are truly the lost boys. Peter Pan. We're never going to grow up when people when people will say stuff like uh oh two 41 41 year old dudes talking about getting horny i'm like yeah that's we got to talk about tits on a show i'm in year 20 25 of my midlife crisis going strong i'm i'm i don't think i'm gonna ever have a midlife crisis i think i'm just resigned to the fact that i'm always just gonna have the the humor of a 16 year old yeah and i'm cool with that that's what it is yeah maybe maybe a little older i'm like a semester after you join the frat and I get to haze all the pledges.

2:09:56That's where my maturity stopped.

2:09:58Hank:I've honestly felt like I've been 23 years old for the last 17 years of my life. That's kind of where you stay. And you do get a little time capsule with PFT every time he comes to work. That shirt, I think, is from 2016. That's why I wore it today. It's the 2016 shirt. And I still fit into it really well. No, it's tight in some places it wasn't tight before That's the same You wear shirts like that all the time Yeah, no Another thing about that shirt is like different PFT wears things that got sent to us for free in 2017 This is an official 2016 part I have nothing but respect Did anyone look at PFT's shirt and be like That's an oddly fitting PFT shirt?

2:10:43Not at all

2:10:43Hank:What, wearing a shirt of the podcast that I'm on? No, I'm saying that's not Yeah, you were saying it didn't fit It doesn't fit You said it didn't fit It fits good It fits really good What is the booth Anything for the booth Look at my body You wear shirts Like it doesn't look bad Thank you Yeah this is You're making this compliment Sound like an insult Three in your head Hank made it seem like an insult Three in your head No I It is like I'm jealous Of your wardrobe As much as I give you shit for it It's like The confidence It's liberating And just like You hold on to things That like He's close to saying the confidence to look like shit.

2:11:18No, it's like we get sent like cheap, like random things. I look really good. From like random colleges 10 years ago and like you'll just, you'll pop up. I'm like, I remember when that got sent in New York, maybe before we moved to New York. Respect. Anything from the booth? Was it? Yeah, I mean, it's different for us because I mean, obviously we've only been here for a handful of years. Well, I hope you guys know how important you guys are to the whole thing. I started to do a tweet, like a tweet thanking you guys And then I, like midway through, I just deleted it. I was like, listen, we're men.

2:11:49We're not going to do feelings. I was like, this is lame. This is the most we'll ever do feelings. And then none of us are ever going to listen to this back. I started to do a sentimental thing. And then I deleted it. And I just put it on my Instagram story. I said, love my boys. I was like, that's how sentimental I feel comfortable being. I love that. But yeah, no, I appreciated this. I've listened to this show since day one. I remember listening to the first episode. Wow Oh yeah It was my favorite show for forever Who's the first guest? Chris Long I mean we also Whatever I'm a historian of the show at this point That would actually have been really funny if you're like And then I stopped listening Like two years ago I listened to Chris Long

2:12:33Hank:But then you guys went woke and had Bomani on week two And I was like fuck these guys Yeah I mean my interview at Barstool was with Dave the one thing that he like kept in the video was i was like when i got into pod got into doing production it was because i listened to this show and was such a fan and i was like if hank can do it i can do it and i said that to dave and that was like the one thing that dave laughed at i was like that's good that's a good point i wonder how many people that hank is inspiring so yeah i mean it's a big you know volume's low yeah yeah visibility is important well i mean there was a point where I was like a junior in college.

2:13:16I was doing marketing. I was like, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. Like, and I switched to getting into production because I was like, what is something that I really want to do? And my, like my mom asked me like, like when I was transferring from Hofstra to Villanova, I was like, I want to get into, I like, if I had any job in the world, it would be to work, to work at part of my take, my favorite show. And then it's, you know, we've been, you know, you guys have been doing this for 10 years i feel like it's different because it's like i saw like a lot of awls that were like oh yeah like i feel like i've this is like a 10-year anniversary as like a listener too so it's like interesting to be in like the halfway point of like yeah i've been there from the beginning and now i've been in on the show for like four years and it's the best

2:14:02Hank:show in the world i appreciate we got we got the retweet finally from dave portland today oh On the 10th anniversary. No commentary. Actually. No commentary. Just retweet. Yeah, he did. That was awesome. Retweet on today's official 10-year anniversary. Pardon my take. Do you think over under half an episode that Dave has listened to? Under. Way under. Way under. He's watched clips. Clips. Clips for sure. Is the extent of it. Yeah. Under. He was on an episode. Yeah. He was. Yeah. Yeah. um what was i about to say oh the the chris long interview you guys were like we want to do uh playoff music yeah and i it was i i took the soundtrack from air bud the movie that's just that's just a fun fact that's a fun historical this is why i love this show it was never we you're like we need oscars music and i was like how about the air bud soundtrack Now podcasts come out and they're already fully polished, have great studios and a bunch of people behind it.

2:15:08You can't replicate what the show has been because we're so stupid. And when we started, we were so dumb. Yeah. And man, has it been fun. Memes, you got anything? I mean, you were a super fan. I also had a sentimental tweet run out, but I deleted it. I love that we all did this Why would I ever say anything positive ever You turn baby face Yeah But I was thinking last night I was like I don't even know how I lasted

2:15:40Hank:This long and it's been like five years at this Point I didn't even own a laptop when I first Started working here I was just doing everything off my Phone listening at home I don't know if it's definitely not legal actually But but memes was really Good at he was like doing basically What he's doing now for free and I remember DMing him and I was like, how old are you? Because I was like, if this guy is like 40 or something it's not like we're not offering him an internship. I think that's also very illegal. Yeah. You said memes are you pregnant? Yeah. I was just like, oh, this guy's great but if he's like a 50 year old, that's going to be awkward.

2:16:21Memes also admitted something to me recently that he never had social media like at all before he started the meme account which i don't even understand how that's possible because i feel like you know everything on the internet yeah if you go to like my personal

2:16:35Hank:accounts like i have no photos on instagram i'm just i was just you had them you're just living i was just living and then the internet trapped you and then covet happened yeah zach what does 10 years 10 years mean to you did you listen to any episodes before i would listen Yes, for sure. Oh, really? I've obviously been here for five minutes. So, like. Well said. But I do want to say happy anniversary, guys. Ten years, that's awesome. That's a beautiful thing. You're part of it, Zach. You're part of it. Okay. I bet Boston's going to have a ten-year anniversary, like, next week. Yeah, by accident.

2:17:10They're not going to realize it. So dumb. Just be like, oh, yeah, it's our ten-year anniversary. How many episodes do you think we've actually done? Oh. 500. Can I use my calculator? No. No. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah. I guess. I mean, that'll be easy. Well, no. It'd be like 150. I would say 1 ,500. I think. I don't actually know the answer. Well, it's like 150 a year, right? So 52.

2:17:37Hank:150. 160 a year? No, less than that, I think. Three a week. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're right. 52 weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So 150 a year for 10 years. So 1 ,500. Yeah. It's a lot of podcasting. And a few Saturdays. I think about it all the time. Oh, yeah. I think about it all the time. My kids someday finding us and just being like, what? Yeah, that. I mean, I'm not even close to that, but that. There's some people. I think they'll laugh. My digital footprint is horrifying. There's some people that started listening to us when they were probably in like ninth grade. Yeah. They went through high school, went through college.

2:18:15They're probably married now. Dude, we're at a point. It's so crazy. my kids school like you know friends with some of the other parents and one of the parents told me that his 5th grader like what he wants to be when he grows up as a podcaster I was like what I'm like well bring him to the office I'll show him around but like think about that as a 5th grader like that was not even an option we said it wasn't even an option when we were 22 that it was an option to do something like this no He's going to be in play. He's probably going to be a sick. He's probably going to be the one who's going to parody us.

2:18:52Hank:Yeah. Eventually. Good luck. Yeah. It's tough to parody stuff that's this stupid. He'd never know which way we're zagging. Yeah. Oh, we're going to say these guys don't watch sports, and then they're going to spend an entire episode watching a Celtics Sixers game and interrupting everything they do. Three said. Ball game. All right. We got to get David Wallace back on. Yeah, we do. Yeah. We also got to get Lenny Dykstra back on. yeah no not actually people are always like i wish they still called lenny like no when he showed up to the office and he was strapped yeah he got caught by a fake dave it was so funny when he showed he just walked into our office with a gun and he was like yeah dave told me to come here and we pulled up the account had 17 followers who stool presidente with a z okay good show boys there's enough self suck thank you to everyone who wrote really nice messages they were awesome very very cool day never thought we'd get here and we're not we're not ever I don't think we ever celebrated any of the anniversaries up until this one no 10 just feels so you won't don't worry about us we're not going to do this every year it's be next next one that happens is 20 I think 25 25 fine 25 anniversaries are like birthdays you get your decades 25 means a lot Also the first episode did come on March 3rd So I think we'll have to do it on Tuesday as well Part 1 of the self suck Just the tip We'll go full throat on Wednesday I do hate the constant anniversary people Online So we did 1 for 10 We're going to write a book We're going to do a live show And then for 20 We'll do We'll do a porn We'll do a porn together If we make it to 20 Put that on the list with the cult If we make it to 20 we will do a porn A nine way gangbang Softcore?

2:21:00Of Zack Okie Cookie Okie Cookie You'd rather do a porn? Oh numbers numbers 23 48 3 7 7 7 7 3 3 7 7, 7. 3. 10. 3. 82. 86. Need someone to get this.

2:21:2442. Should we do one more? Yeah. Let's do 10. 3. I'm going to get someone on the board. Everyone say your number again. 40. 56. 3. 14.

2:21:34Hank:48. 7. 10. 48. 23. 21. 71. 48.

2:21:5318 18 Shout out Jake Jake got it Loved it

2:21:57Hank:One more One more Last one 48 I would like the Jets to make the playoffs One time while I'm on the show Wait this is a wish cast I just want to say It's like a wishing well I'm sorry I included the zero For the 20th anniversary The Jets will make the playoffs That's so far away That actually might be what breaks up this show If the Jets win a Super Bowl It means you're so mean to all of them They'll make the playing game

2:22:26Hank:BJM I mean that's 79 79 He kicked a fan in the face He kicked an old woman in the face 79 Happy birthday to part of my take Also happy birthday to Sebastian Janikowski and Big Ben And Tua That felt mean throwing Tua like that And Tua I guess Love you guys

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