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10:32Big Cat:No shot. I feel like the Pirates version of them actually signing a big free agent would be just leaking it that they're thinking about signing a guy. That was mean. This is their red meat to the fan base. Be like, look, we tried.

10:43PFT Commenter:I saw some Pirates fans saying I'm all the way back in if they sign Kyle Schwarber. So mean. I think Schwarber's going to go Phillies, Reds, or Cubs.

10:54Big Cat:The Pirates are not a singular Kyle Schwarber away from competing in the NL.

10:59PFT Commenter:Yeah, but they would be better.

11:00Big Cat:Obviously. Okay, so. You put Kyle Schwarber on the Pirates. Are they contenders in the NL?

11:07PFT Commenter:If he hits 150 home runs? Maybe. I think they need... If he hits 150 home runs for the Pirates next year, they will be in the playoffs. I don't know about that. Yeah, 150 home runs? I think they need four Kyle Schwarbers. That's so many home runs.

11:22Big Cat:So many home runs. That's so many home runs. They would win every scheme game. Yeah, every scheme game.

11:28PFT Commenter:Yeah, I think they would... They need four Kyle Schwarbers. How many home runs could Kyle Schwarber hit for the Pirates to get to the playoffs? Someone do the math on that. Of like the Pirates run differential. They got to have some young guys coming up. Yeah, that they're going to trade. I got to be honest.

11:45Big Cat:I don't know Pirate. I don't. I'm not familiar with. Skeens. I know.

11:49PFT Commenter:Well, I know their owner is a fucking shithead. Yeah, fuck it.

11:51Big Cat:He's in the shithead group. And they have a good ballpark. Yeah. That I would like to go to someday. I am the captain now. We should do a

12:00PFT Commenter:Just shithead owner podcast Where we just list them all Maybe like Zach put this down Mid July Just one day when we got nothing going on We're just gonna start fucking naming out all the shithead owners Do that You wanna be on this list Yeah and guess what If you're a shithead owner listening right now You have until mid July to fix it That's We're giving a warning because you don't want us to say your name and probably get some facts wrong and nothing to really happen from it.

12:32Big Cat:The body of evidence of a lot of shithead owners is going to be a lot to overcome in six months.

12:36PFT Commenter:Yeah, I don't know why we're getting shamed for this, by the way. Hannah Montoya, who we love, she's our colleague. She said, inside scoop, I looked at their phones yesterday and neither Big Cat or PFD have their Twitter on Dark Mode. What the fuck? Yeah. I never have. So what? So come at me. I don't like Dark Mode. What are you laughing about memes? You think we're old?

12:55Big Cat:Do you have it on dark mode? I have it on dark mode, yeah. You think we're old? I got bad eyes, though. I don't like dark mode. It hurts my eyes when I look at dark mode, and then the lines from all the lines of text, they go into the next thing that I look at. Agreed. I like light mode.

13:08PFT Commenter:Yeah.

13:09Big Cat:Same. What are you on, Hank? Light. That's right. Yeah. All right. Leave us alone.

13:17PFT Commenter:I don't like to be shamed, okay? But you're on light mode right now.

13:22Big Cat:You could get it on a desktop, too Yeah, you could do it on a desktop? Yeah Max is on light mode

13:28PFT Commenter:Those girls upstairs, they shame us I got shamed for wearing sneakers and jeans the other day

13:32Big Cat:Yeah, all they do is they stand behind pillars and giggle Yeah Your technology, your choice, Big Cat

13:37PFT Commenter:Thank you, Zach Thank you Okay, let's kick it to ourselves Week 12, Weekend Preview Okay, it's time for our Picks and Preview It's brought to you by DraftKings, DraftKings Sportsbook One touchdown can change everything, the crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. Feel that same rush with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, where every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in. With DraftKings Sportsbook, all the actions in your hands. First touchdown, anytime TD, live bets, every play, every snap, every game matters. When there's something on the line, every drive feels bigger, every moment more intense, and every trip to the end zone could mean a win for you.

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14:51PFT Commenter:Hank, what do you want to eat this Sunday? Let's get some wings and some pizza. I like that. I like that. We got to get some wings.

14:58Big Cat:Mix it up a little bit.

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15:33Big Cat:We're switching back and forth between being excited about football and being sad that it's almost over.

15:38PFT Commenter:It's almost over. So this week we do have four buys. we're getting I think there's buys after Thanksgiving as well we're getting close to the end of the buys the commanders are on a buy that's got to make you excited

15:50Big Cat:I'm very excited it's a great weekend to be a football fan in Washington D.C. this weekend maybe the best of the year

15:56PFT Commenter:so the Dolphins, the Chargers, the Commanders and the Broncos all on buys we have some games where the lines are very large we have some 13.5 point spreads it's a lot of points but we also have some big leverage games the biggest obviously is going to be I believe the Bears and Steelers, where if the Bears win, they have a 71 % chance of making the playoffs. If they lose, they have a 45 % chance of making the playoffs. If the Steelers win, they have a 63 % chance. And if they lose, they have a 37 % chance. So big swings, other big swings. I think the Lions and Packers have big swings if they lose.

16:31PFT Commenter:The Panthers have a huge swing if they win. So this is fun. We're getting down to it.

16:35Big Cat:And we got potentially the biggest swing of them all. Which is? The Booger game. Colts and Chiefs the Chiefs will be projected to not make the playoffs per Booger McFarland if they lose that game

16:47PFT Commenter:they will go from 68 % to 35 % if they lose that game okay let's get into them this is going to be a fun Sunday we have not the best afternoon slate but the first the 1 o 'clocks are going to be fun so let's start Steelers at Bears Bears minus 2.5 is Aaron Rodgers playing is the big question We don't know.

17:10Big Cat:My guess is that he is. I think he is, too. I think he's going to do everything that he can possibly do to try to play. If you're Aaron Rodgers, that means maybe the return of Perk Rodgers. I think it's probably more likely the return of Crystals Rodgers. He's probably got a whole setup with Dreamcatchers. He's got the Etsy Witch coming up. Actually, no, he's already married to an Etsy Witch, right? We don't know, but we think. So she's definitely putting spells on it. Yep. He will be playing, I think, on Sunday. it's hard for me to imagine him taking uh get passing up the opportunity for one last chance

17:41PFT Commenter:to play against the bears yes yes he uh that is my fear of this game is aaron rogers who i don't think is like an elite quarterback anymore will become an elite quarterback because he wants to stick it to the bears one last time but better rogers than mason rudolph agreed no that's just

18:01Big Cat:that's just not true you would much rather play against mason rudolph i would yeah yeah

18:05PFT Commenter:Yeah. But last week you said, hey, Mason Rudolph's a better quarterback. No, I said there's not a huge difference between the two. People think there's a huge difference. I do not think there's a huge difference. The only difference is Aaron Rodgers wants to stick it to the Bears. If this was against another team, I think it would be kind of a toss-up. Because I just think Rodgers' mobility is limited. But I do not want to play Aaron Rodgers. I want to win the game. I think we have a better chance of beating Mason Rudolph. 100 % yes.

18:32Big Cat:Yes. But I don't think that Aaron Rodgers is going to give up the opportunity to play in Chicago one more time. Now, this is big. If we're just speaking neutrally about this game, if this was against another team that is like a carbon copy of what the Bears have done this year, this would be a game where you would say this is Mike Tomlin game.

18:51Big Cat:You might be on the receiving end of the Mike Tomlin game is what I'm getting at.

18:54PFT Commenter:I don't know. It's under a field goal. Usually Mike Tomlin would be like a four and a half point underdog, and then they do it. I don't know. And they're also coming up. They're coming off a win. So that's not that in itself is not a Mike Tomlin game. If it's Mike Tomlin games are usually awful loss, underdog on the road. Everyone's buried them.

19:15Big Cat:Boom. I feel like if it's Mason Rudolph, you're more in the Mike Tomlin game zone. That could be true. Than if it's Aaron Rodgers.

19:22PFT Commenter:So this game, I gave you the gateway game after week two. I have decided that the Bears on Sunday are starting a seven game series. and they have to win the seven-game series to get to the playoffs. They have to go four and three to get to the playoffs. Game one is Sunday. Got to try to win game one. Game one at home? Game one at home. And I'm very excited. The Bears have been an exciting, fun watch. I'm starting to get my hopes up a little, but this is a big one because knowing what's coming down the stretch. But the Bears controlled their day. We're in mid-November. Just thinking about last year, Thanksgiving, was the horrific Matt Eberflus.

20:01PFT Commenter:Yep. clock gate in detroit getting fired now we're a year away a year past that ben johnson has this thing turned around seven and three people want to call the bears frauds i still don't really understand that because i don't think there's a lot of people who are like the bears are an awesome awesome team i think they're a good team that is getting better every single week and uh to be frauds you'd have to be like you know 10 when the steelers were was it 11 and 0 and it was

20:29Big Cat:like worst 11 and yeah right right that i think with the bears it's like almost a compliment that

20:35PFT Commenter:they're calling you frauds yeah people just want to they just want to shit on on any success the

20:40Big Cat:bears have that's fine but you you can't really shit on it that's like for a team that hasn't had any success recently that's correct i looked at that as a compliment last year when i was being called a fraud yeah it was like yeah you're being called a fraud that means that you're winning

20:52PFT Commenter:football games it's an honor to be fraudulent the bears so this is a testament to this i've said this many times this year like that's a game the bears would never win and there's data to to back it up the bears this year are four and three went down four plus points at any point in this game in the game so they're four and three when they when they have a deficit of four plus points from 2016 to 2024 they were 25 and 86 in those exact spots 23 so essentially if you just got a lead on the bears it was over that's not the case anymore i also love that the steelers are nervous about Caleb Williams.

21:27PFT Commenter:They brought in John Rhys Plumlee to mimic his elusiveness. I like that. That's fun. And yeah, I'm excited. I think here's my prediction too. Maybe not this game, but I think within the next month, the Bears are going to have a full-on breakout game where their offense puts everything together and the defense is getting healthier. Kyler Gordon has opened his practice window. Jalen Johnson has opened his practice window. I think there's going to be a game in the next three or four weeks where the Bears put it all together, and it looks awesome. So I'm excited. Last thing I had on this game is Darnell Washington admitted how much he weighs.

22:07PFT Commenter:311 pounds. 6 '7", 311 pounds. Said I've got to keep it a buck on 311 pounds. That's awesome. That's so big.

22:13Big Cat:And you know what? When I saw that, I told Arian about that, and Arian said that imagine how good he'd be if he got down to 280. And I said, no, you don't get it. You don't understand the allure of Mount Washington. It'd be better if he got up to 330.

22:26PFT Commenter:Yeah.

22:27Big Cat:I think he could still move pretty good at 330 pounds. He's one of the best blocking tight ends in the game. And the fact that he's able to catch and run like that, it's incredible.

22:36PFT Commenter:Yeah.

22:37Big Cat:I love watching this guy play. I would like it even more if he was heavier.

22:41PFT Commenter:Yeah. Hank, are you going to put the Steelers in your hungry dog?

22:45Big Cat:I got to see who the quarterback is. I'm thinking about it. You're thinking about it. Okay. So that means if it's Aaron Rodgers, yes. I don't know. I don't know.

22:55PFT Commenter:That's what that answer meant. Well, it's also crazy. Is he going to play with just no left hand? I don't understand. I don't want to put a guy in the hungry dog who's doing it just because, like, I don't think.

23:06Big Cat:That's a hungry dog, though. No, but if you have a bad left hand, you're like, oh, I've played good against them in my career, so naturally I'm going to play good now. I just don't know if that's the case. It's a completely broken left hand. Would that mean that he would be handing the ball backhanded one direction? I don't know. Any snaps under center would be getting snapped directly into that left wrist.

23:26PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's got to go one way, yeah.

23:27Big Cat:That would probably hurt. He's probably going to get shot up with a bunch of cool stuff. He's going to really enjoy that. But, I mean, you don't throw with your left hand, unless you're like Mahomes or Josh Allen sometimes. I think he's going to play.

23:41PFT Commenter:I do have a bet for everyone, too. I think this is the Colson Loveland. He already has had kind of a breakout game. Obviously, that game-winning touchdown against the Bengals. I don't see any props up yet, but Colson Loveland, big game. That's my prediction. And the Bears win. Okay, let's go to the next game. Patriots at Bengals. Hank, the Bengals are 6.5 point underdogs over under 50.5. Joe Burrow? Are we getting Joe Burrow?

24:06Big Cat:We might get Joe Burrow. So he was a full participant in 11-on-11 work to start the week, and they asked Zach Taylor about it, and he did not say no when they asked him if he was going to start this weekend. Okay. So we don't know, but it's not a no yet. Do you want to see Joe Burrow or Joe Flacco?

24:27PFT Commenter:I don't know. It's similar to the Steelers thing. It's like, I don't know. I kind of think playing Joe Burrow coming off an injury might be better than Joe Flacco. He might have some rust.

24:38Big Cat:Definitely has some rust. So this is my prop of a lifetime this weekend. It's Drake May to throw 300 yards for the first time. Plus 264. I put it in before the show started. I feel like this is the week. I've timed Drake May pretty good this year. I called his first win against a team with a winning record. I nailed that one. I feel very confident. Going up against that defense, the Bengals defense, you can't help but throw 300 yards against them.

25:03PFT Commenter:They're historically one of the worst defenses ever. They're so bad.

25:07Big Cat:They're so bad. They actually could become the first team, I think, in the entire Super Bowl era to finish dead last in rushing yards allowed, in points allowed, and passing yards allowed. Oof. The stinky hat trick. Why would Joe Burrow come back? That's because he wants to play. Yeah, that's the thing. He likes to play football. He likes to play football, and he'd rather play football than not play football. I think also, to a certain extent, he gets if you get paid that much money, you probably there's something in you that makes you want to go out there and earn it.

25:41PFT Commenter:Hank, is there a chance Drake may listen to this show and maybe is a big fan of Max? because did you see in a press conference this week, he was asked about leading the NFL in passing yards, completion percentage, and more, and he said probably the reason I am is we haven't had a bye yet. He took Max's quote. Yeah, I don't think that was the most original take from that. Okay, I was just asking a question.

26:04Big Cat:That wasn't even a take.

26:05PFT Commenter:No, it wasn't a take. It was just a fact. And he just repeated the fact. He might not have known that he didn't have a bye yet until he listened to Max say they haven't had a bye. You can't say that's a 0 % chance. No, I like that. I would love if Drake listened to the show. He probably does. Shout out Drake. Shout out Drake, yeah. Shout out Drake.

26:20Big Cat:I think Drake May is good, but if you're going to say he's leading the league in passing, you have to talk about how he does that. You have to talk about that.

26:25PFT Commenter:It's not really. You also, but if you look at the passing leaders, he is leading all of them.

26:30Big Cat:He would be fifth. Well, if you look at the passing leaders, Max. Which is still very good, but like that. Yeah, but he's going to look at the passing leaders. We're going to have 350 yards this week, so then that's going to give him a nice bump. 350? Yeah. We're jumping up to 350. Fiddy. Yeah. I don't know about that. You've nailed Drake May all year long. You can make that your property.

26:46PFT Commenter:You didn't nail him in the draft, but ever since then you've.

26:49Big Cat:That is plus 860 on the DraftKings Sportsbook, 350 plus for Drake May. I had my finger on the pulse of Drake May. I'm the Drake May whisperer. Facts. Are you nervous at all about this game? Yes. Like you said, it's a seven-game series for the Bears. Patriots are in kind of like this is the preseason, and you just can't. They got six games left. I am definitely worried about a letdown coming. I think the Bills and Ravens, if they lose either one of those games, it's not a letdown, but Bengals, Giants, Dolphins, Jets, those are the games you have to win. That's who you're playing? Wait, say it again?

27:25Big Cat:We have Bills and Ravens, Bengals, Giants, Dolphins, Jets. Gauntlet. I can't believe you're offended that we said that he had a bye. It's insane. When did I get offended? You were offended. I was not. Well, no, it was a fact. You can't get offended about a fact. I was merely stating a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings. They don't. I merely stated if you look at the top of the leaderboards, he is at the top. Is this similar to... Fact or fiction. Fact. Okay. Thank you. So, Hank, last year, you remember when you played the Bengals that week one? Yep. Dumped Gatorade on mayo. That sounds disgusting.

28:06Big Cat:That might be the worst possible combination of a sauce ever. Do you feel maybe this is the exact same game, just the other way around? I did think that earlier. That's the letdown. Because there were, I think, seven-point favorites last year in week one.

28:21PFT Commenter:I think eight and a half.

28:22Big Cat:Seven. Yeah, it was around seven to eight. But, yeah, kind of a similar vibe. But you did dodge a bullet. No Jamar Chase.

28:29PFT Commenter:Yeah, by the way, Jamar Chase is. I feel like that's going to hold Burrow back from playing. Yeah, I mean, no Jamar Chase is huge. But more than anything, I feel like suspending the game is fine. The check. Yeah. $507 ,000. Half a milli for one game. That's brutal. That's an expensive loogie. You need to get. Everyone should just figure out a way to get it all in signing bonus. So if you do end up spitting on someone and they start posting how much you get paid per game, it's like$30 ,000. Because I saw that. I was like, fuck, dude. Also, that's not just a little fine.

29:04Big Cat:Could you do spit insurance? Could players buy spit insurance? Like, in case I get suspended this year, I'd like to be covered. Right. Like, Affleck.

29:10PFT Commenter:Did you see the person who denied the appeal? Yeah. Yeah, it was Jordy Nelson, right? You think receivers, like, there's some type of bond. I denied it first, but yeah.

29:18Big Cat:Spit brothers? I was surprised by that. I was not really shocked that Jordy Nelson said, no, you're going to be suspended for a week. That feels fair to me, but I was actually thinking more about the Jalen Ramsey.

29:29PFT Commenter:Isn't being a wide receiver like a brotherhood? Like, you've got to have each other's backs and stuff?

29:34Big Cat:Everyone gets one spit? Mm-hmm. If it was Jalen Ramsey, he should get suspended, but it's like...

29:39PFT Commenter:Yeah, you would think that the wide receivers would have each other's backs. I agree with that.

29:43Big Cat:I think cornerbacks would have gotten two weeks if you spit, but one week for a wide receiver, that sounds right. Jordy Nelson, he's working in the corporate office now. You know how the corporate life goes, Hank. You sell out, and then all of a sudden you don't have your guys' backs anymore. That's kind of what Jordy Nelson's up to. That's what I think is happening. I agree. But I do think that Jalen should be allowed to spit on somebody else. Spray it forward. Yeah. Like, if you get spit on, then you then have that spit in your pocket that you could use.

30:13PFT Commenter:I stand pat. I think there should be a designated spitter on every team. This guy is the captain of spitting today. If he spits, he's allowed to. And then you just get two guys spitting at each other if things get nasty. Sounds kind of hot. Yeah. Sounds really hot. Spitting each other's mouths. Okay. Giants, Lions. Lions minus 10.5 over under is 50.5. So when Dan Campbell and Jared Goff started in Detroit, remember they went 3-13 the first year. The second year they started 1-6, and then everything started to get better, and they finished that season strong, then they won 12 games, and they won 15 games.

30:50PFT Commenter:I bring this up because the last time the Lions have lost back-to-back games is that 2022 year, the second year for Campbell and Goff, when they started 1-6, they lost their fifth and sixth game, and then from that point forward, they are 40-13 overall, and they have not lost back-to-back games. The Lions are coming off a loss. They're going home. They're going against the Giants, who are the first team that can officially be eliminated from the playoffs this weekend, and I think the Lions are going to have their way.

31:23Big Cat:Yeah, I think the Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs this weekend. Yeah. I think that's probably what's going to happen. It was a bad scene in Philly for Detroit, but they're going to be back home. They're going to be under the dome. It's going to be controlled environment, controlled weather. I feel like this is going to be Jameer Gibbs. This is going to be the Jameer Gibbs game. Maybe the Jameer Gibbs game to end all Jameer Gibbs games. Yes. The Giants rushing defense is very, very poopy. Super poop. And Jameer Gibbs is ready to go off. And I feel like this is going to be, if you're a Jameer Gibbs owner in fantasy football, my advice would be, start him.

32:02Big Cat:Yeah. I would start Jameer Gibbs.

32:03PFT Commenter:Big time start. Big time start. And a little Dave Montgomery, too. Yeah, spring him in there. Because I think Jameer Gibbs might get tired from all the yards.

32:10Big Cat:He might. Yeah, he might actually just get exhausted. And by the way, I know Jerry listens to the show, so he'll end up hearing this, but he knows. Jerry has been the most desperate person in the group chat I've ever seen. Where are we at fantasy-wise? Well, we can check the stats right now, but one stat off the top of my head is I'd say 90 % of the text messages in the fantasy football group chat over the last week have been from Jerry asking people if he's seen his trade requests. He's that guy. He's putting it out to everybody. He's that guy. And he is just saying nonstop, please look at trades.

32:50Big Cat:Please turn down counter and trades. Trying to get a deal done. everyone has a trade offer from me i just sent trades out you guys should have trades fellas trades are still out there accept our decline no hard feelings this is the last day i believe when is our deadline i just sent out a trade you just received a trade option from me you you have a face call me any or he sent a picture of himself and said guys this is me just so you have a face to go with it call anytime i'm about to grab lunch with my wife but i will tell her that this is business if i get a trade offer got more trade deals out there more trade deals than the trump administration run the numbers trade deadline this week our whole team is for sale i'm about to send out all of our trades all caps only mutually beneficial what is the time what is it what are the times on these messages like what like what is well they started tuesday at noon and they went pretty much non-stop oh i love it for how long about i'd say 36 hours oh i love it There's no one responding.

33:52Big Cat:No, they stopped this morning at 1 a.m. Run those numbers. We've got to get those trades. We've got to get the trades done. Jerry, it does reek of desperation. I would say so.

34:05PFT Commenter:Everything you just read was the most desperate thing I've ever heard.

34:08Big Cat:So I don't have a whole lot of confidence in our team moving forward, but we'll see. At least we're buyers at the trade deadline.

34:15PFT Commenter:This is what we want Jerry to do, though. We want him to be going as hard as he's going. He is. This is why he's our manager. We don't want him sitting idly by and letting another gear pass by where he's got a hole in his driveway, and we have to maybe dangle Adam Schefter in his face again. I don't want to do that.

34:32Big Cat:I want to raise a banner. I do have an update on the standings in the league this year. Okay. We're in second place. Oh. And we're this desperate? We're this desperate, yeah. That's like the Eagles. Yeah. He's Howie. Jerry is our Howie. Fucking Jerry. I love that. We're 7-4-0. It looks like we have the third highest total of points scored this season, so it's not a Mickey Mouse 7-4-0. I'd like to see what happened in those losses, what we learned from that. But, yeah, we're in prime position right now to go on a little run.

35:04PFT Commenter:I love it. I love it. Okay, so we all agree Lions are going to – this is going to be – I hope we get Jameis. I don't think we are. I think Jackson Dart might be back. He might be back, yeah. I would like to see Jameis though. Okay, next game. Vikings at Packers. Packers minus 6.5, over-unders 41.5. We got some J.J. McCarthy discourse going on. He said this week, coming in here, I was taught how to play quarterback a very different way, and when asked how hard is it to rewire, he said it's really hard. You're rewiring neurological pathways, and that's not something that happens overnight. That's so relatable.

35:39PFT Commenter:Why? I just understand. Oh, lefty golf? Yeah. i just know that you don't want to have your quarterback saying they're having to rewire neurological pathways in the middle of the season i've never been more confident in anything that

35:53Big Cat:if you check his recently listened to podcast you will you will find the dr huberman podcast back to back to back to back that's how he's he's definitely listened to that guy doing extra cold plunges probably uh grounding himself at all points this seems like nine might have this This might be the awakening of nine. Yeah.

36:12PFT Commenter:Listen, I've seen a lot of it. It's nine o 'clock this weekend. Because you see, you know, there was the tweet that was like, hey, Justin Jefferson was awesome with Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, Nick Mullins, Carson Wentz, Josh Dobbs, Jaron Hall, Sean Mannion. I don't know if he was, maybe I'm forgetting, was Jaron Hall more than one game? Because I don't. It might have been one half of good Jaron Hall. I feel like it was one good half. I think he might have played the Packers in one game. Either way, there's a lot of freaking out right now when it comes to J.J. McCarthy in Minnesota. I think I'm going to buy stock now.

36:46PFT Commenter:I think both teams are freaking out right now.

36:49Big Cat:Yeah. Both fan bases are like, what do we have? What is it that we're working with? The Packers are freaking out because they had all the expectations in the world, and it seems like the discourse that we've been having around the Eagles is the discourse we should be having around the Packers in terms of the questioning the team.

37:05PFT Commenter:Yeah.

37:06Big Cat:because Packers fans are not happy with the offense. I don't know how they can be. And then Vikings fans are like, I don't – it's like second to second whether or not we have a quarterback. Yeah. I saw some of the throws that J.J. had last – excuse me, that 9 had last week, and there were a few that were just like, I don't know if this is fixable. I can put it then again. I did not take into account rewiring his neurological pathways.

37:31PFT Commenter:I just looked it up. The Jaron Hall game, Justin Jefferson had five catches for 59 yards. So I don't know if we had Jaron Hall to like.

37:38Big Cat:I just remember being surprised that Jaron Hall looked competent for a half. Yeah. And we put that in KOC's resume. Yeah. What do you say, Hank? J.J. McCarthy week one played like absolute dog shit, but then he had the fourth quarter comeback. Everyone was kind of praising, singing his praises. He had a fourth quarter comeback on Sunday. If they win that game, what does the discourse look like? That's what I would have loved to have seen. not because the Bears it would have been winner it would have been winner he would have been a winner he's a winner he wins football games the intangibles so I do feel like

38:12PFT Commenter:it's a little bit over they're like over freaking out wait hold on are you saying that we react like knee jerk reactions on just based on wins and losses

38:21Big Cat:but it's like sky has fallen there's obviously knee jerk reactions

38:24PFT Commenter:I know I'm agreeing with you this is exactly how every fan works

38:27Big Cat:I would say it's an over over exaggeration it's like if he had won that game then yeah, I would really enjoy the discourse surrounding J.J. McCarthy this week. It would have been incredible. But the fact that he lost, I don't know. He's also a rookie. But it sounds like you're also taking the side of, think about it. He actually kind of did win that game last week. We should be talking about him as a winner, which I'm okay with.

38:51PFT Commenter:Yeah, the problem that J.J. McCarthy has is he stepped into a situation where it was, again, a 14-win team last year, and KOC has been dubbed the QB Whisperer. So that's where he gets hurt. I actually saw someone, a Vikings fan, pointed out that what the Vikings really should do is cut J.J. McCarthy so he's a bust and then sign him back so he's a reclamation project. Then he'll be good.

39:13Big Cat:That's a genius take. I think, was that Skoll? Who was that? Skoll Chris? I think so. Skoll something. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, it's a great point. I'll try to find it. I think that they should actually, they should heavily consider that.

39:25PFT Commenter:I think the Packers are going to win this game. I think the Packers defense is what's going to carry. The Packers have a very tough schedule down the stretch. So this is a must win for them.

39:33Big Cat:Yeah, I would agree with that. Matt LaFleur right now is also not happy with the state of the Packers fan base. It was Skull Cole at Skull Smith.

39:42PFT Commenter:Cut J.J. McCarthy officially declaring him a bust. Sign McCarthy, former draft bust, and have KOC fix him. Smart. We also had J.J. McCarthy's, I think, high school quarterback released a letter because he called Chris Carter a clown or a dumbass, and then he released an apology letter. That's just too much. His high school quarterback? Coach. Oh, his quarterback coach. Yeah, yeah, his high school coach. He called him a fucking clown, and he released, look, he released a full letter. I respect that.

40:15Big Cat:You've got to stand up for your guys.

40:16PFT Commenter:I want to offer my sincere apology for my recent remark directed toward Mr. Carter, in which I referred to him as a fucking clown in response to his comments about the Vikings quarterback play. I will always stand up for someone I love, like my own son. My choice of words was completely unacceptable. You didn't need to release something here, buddy. Is he apologizing for the fucking part or the clown part?

40:32Big Cat:I don't know, but I don't think anyone cared. No, I didn't hear about it until just now. But yeah, Matt LaFleur is not happy with the state of the Packers fan base.

40:41PFT Commenter:He's a QB trainer. He was J.J. McCarthy's QB trainer. He put them on notice this week.

40:45Big Cat:What did he say? He said, hopefully our fans will show up in droves and not sell their tickets to the Vikings fans. We've seen that happen before. I like this. So he's kind of sort of blaming the fans. Listen, everybody's got a piece of the blame pie. Fans included going into this weekend. But this is a guy that's starting to feel the pressure. He's starting to lash out at the Packers faithful. His own owners, actually. He's actually mad at his bosses. He's blaming his bosses for this, which is not a great trait to have. I agree. I think that the Packers are going to win. There's also a major storyline developing between the rivalry between these two fan bases going into this weekend.

41:23Big Cat:Do you remember last year what they did before the game in Minnesota? I do not. There was a giant tug of war that took place on the bridge that goes over the river that forms the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin. I like this. The two states all about reciprocity. We know that. They did a giant tug of war, and it was on the St. Croix River is when they did it.

41:46PFT Commenter:St. Croix, Wisconsin is a place I've actually been many times. It's a really fun city.

41:50Big Cat:So there's a historic bridge that spans this river. there was 150 versus 150 tug of war match that happened uh they raised money for first responders that service that entire area so sounds like a good charity um the packers won last year they're trying to run it back but the bridge i think it's the stillwater bridge okay the bridge denied them the bridge said no i'm not open for business i believe the quote from the bridge was were in the transportation space, not the party planning space. Oh. So you can take your Mickey Mouse tug of war elsewhere.

42:25PFT Commenter:We care about it. We got a job to do.

42:27Big Cat:The bridge just said we got a job to do. Yeah, it's like, okay, this is enough. We gave you last year, but I got things to do on a Sunday. So they had to find a new bridge. So they found a new bridge, but it's no longer a neutral site game now.

42:39PFT Commenter:It's in Wisconsin?

42:40Big Cat:Now it's in Wisconsin. Okay. It's near Pier 500. Okay. They're still going to do it, and it's going to be about the same, like 150 to 150. But it doesn't have the same. But it doesn't have the same. It feels like it's a home game for Wisconsin at this point, not a true neutral site. But I did appreciate the owner said maybe this is the start of a compromise. Maybe we switch every other year, or whoever wins gets to host next year, because that's how it worked out this year. Packers fans won last year, so Hudson is hosting this year. But it should be about the game, though, because I think the Vikings won both games last year.

43:13Big Cat:Yeah, whoever wins the football game. Yeah, that should be who gets to host it. I agree. You should get to host the next year's. And I don't know how they decide. I guess that would be a perfect way to decide which game they do it on. Yeah. Because the teams obviously play each other twice. But I've got all eyes on the tug of war.

43:28PFT Commenter:Yeah.

43:29Big Cat:I think I'm leaning towards Green Bay in that one as well, given the home environment.

43:33PFT Commenter:Shout out Turtle Lake Casino in St. Quarry, Wisconsin. Lost a lot of money there. Great place. It's the type of place that you can go with some friends and go to a bar that probably is also a bowling alley, drink for like four hours, and then they eat some cheese curds, and then they give you your tab, and it's like, that will be$22, sir. It's like, what do you mean? I drank 40 beers. That's the kind of place it is. There must be some sort of error. I bowled 10 games of bowling, ate three pounds of cheese curds, and had 40 beers. How is this only$22?

44:07Big Cat:Yeah, it's a great... Like, if you can take a vacation there from New York City, you're going to love every set. You're just going to walk around saying the entire time, like, can you believe these prices? Great dive bars there. Okay. Also, the Packers are 3-7 against the spread. Ooh. Yeah, this is the worst, I think, since, like, 2000? It's the Packers, 1997. What? What was that? What? The Packers, 1997? What? Oh, my. Sorry. I think Hank's controller just turned off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, I was answering your question. So Green Bay is 0-6 against the spread this season. It's a four-point favorite or more.

44:43Big Cat:Okay. We said 3-7 against the spread overall. Yeah, I had the wrong stat. But, yeah.

44:50PFT Commenter:No, I like that.

44:51Big Cat:The Packers, 1997. Wait, so the first 0-6 team against the spread or worse in this spot through 11 weeks since 1997, the Packers. Okay. That's actually a useful stat. Yeah. I didn't know that they were that bad as heavy favorites. I just knew there were 3-7 against. That's the stats behind the stats. Yeah. Apologies. That's the hidden stats. No, you went deeper on my stat. Do not apologize. That was a funny moment. You cucked my stat, but I kind of enjoyed sitting in the corner and watching. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

45:16PFT Commenter:Anytime you talk, I like it. You made my stat feel good. I want you more involved. What's that? What's that face? It's debatable. What do you mean? It's debatable. All right. Let's debate. I could show many examples of me talking and you getting very upset. Sometimes you do say things that bother me, but other than that, I like you talking. That's your role, though. Yeah, your role.

45:34Big Cat:Your role is to bother everyone. What would Gaz do? What would Gaz do? Yeah. Me and Gaz just exist. We're here to exist. No, but wait. Gaz is here. You're a co-host. Shout out to Gaz.

45:43PFT Commenter:He's now a co-host of Unnamed Show. Did a great job today. Great job. Okay. Just co-host, co-host, co-hosting. That's what we do.

45:51Big Cat:Hank, I don't want you to ever change a thing, ever. Okay. Except maybe start playing golf left-handed.

45:59PFT Commenter:Seahawks-Titans. Titans are 13.5-point underdogs. Over-unders 40.5. The Seattle Seahawks have won six straight games at the 1 p.m. Eastern window or like non, you know, I mean, mid, I think central time and Eastern to standard time. This means nothing.

46:15Big Cat:Well, no, it kind of goes along with the stat of how good they've become on the road. Yeah. The Seahawks, it's, you know, kind of puzzling that they haven't been as great at home, but they're dominant on the road, which is kind of crazy.

46:28PFT Commenter:Yeah. So I, this game is a bummer. I don't really want to. This game's a bummer.

46:36Big Cat:The Seahawks are the best team in the NFL against the spread this season. They are 8-2 against Las Vegas.

46:43PFT Commenter:The city, not the team. Think about this. The Titans are playing a team at home. They're 13-point underdogs. The team they're playing had a quarterback throw four interceptions a week before. Obviously, there's more to it because the Seahawks are very good. But still, this is a bummer. I don't really want to. I'm opting out of all Titans talk. Seahawks are good.

47:05Big Cat:I am too. I do have one thing that I saw about Cam Ward. Okay. So if you're a Titans fan and you're thinking about Cam Ward and you're hoping that he's good, but you're not quite sure what's going on or what you're even looking at when you watch a Titans game, Cam Ward has played against the toughest defenses of any quarterback ever drafted first overall. Oh, wow. So based on EPA and all that stuff, he's had the toughest go on it. So even when he just drops the ball, you can be like, that's a really tough defense. No other rookie quarterback that was drafted first overall had to play against these kinds of defenses ever.

47:40Big Cat:He's going through a gauntlet. He's going through a gauntlet. So you can tell yourself that and be maybe a little bit less sad if something goes wrong this weekend. Also, this is maybe a revenge game. In the 1987 AFC playoffs, it was the Oilers against the Seahawks. Wow. before the Seahawks switched and went to the NFC. So these two teams don't like each other. They hate each other. A little revenge for the birds this weekend, perhaps. They hate each other. Okay, big game.

48:09PFT Commenter:Colts, 3.5 point underdogs at the Kansas City Chiefs over under 50.5. This is a massive, massive game. The Chiefs are on the brink. If the Chiefs lose this game, what's that face? Come on. I'm saying if they lose this game. If they lose, they have to win six out of their last seven.

48:28Big Cat:Realistically. What they're looking at, we're in phase talk or era talk. Yeah. This might be the end of the Chiefs' second era. Well, it could be the era's era. Yeah. I think this might be the end of the era's era for the Chiefs because if this season goes the way it's looking like it's going to go, they have to make some major changes and add, like, I'd say the first era was probably the Tyreek Hill era for the Chiefs. What? What's that look? This is their first era. Yeah, they're all in the same era. No, because I would say post-Tyreek, the team's been different.

49:04PFT Commenter:Yeah, but it's still, I mean, that's - Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reid.

49:08Big Cat:Okay, well, this - Chris Jones.

49:10PFT Commenter:Chris Jones. That's it.

49:12Big Cat:This could be the end of the era's era, which is their first era, and they'll have to reimagine. My point is they'll have to reimagine a lot of stuff this offseason if this one game goes poorly for them.

49:22PFT Commenter:Did you see our colleague Jerry Thornton getting – he was throwing out some good bait online. Did you see it? No. He posted a clip of the Broncos hitting the game-winning field goal, and he was like, say goodbye to the fraud dynasty that never existed or something. And then obviously a lot of Chiefs fans were like, it's a dynasty, which it – Yeah, it is. You can't say it's not. Three – going to the Super Bowl, what, five times? Yeah. No. Three, four times. Wait.

49:53Big Cat:They won three out of the four. They lost to the... No, they lost to the Eagles and they lost to... The Bucks.

50:00PFT Commenter:Yeah. So they went to five Super Bowls in what? Six years? Yeah. And they won three of them? Yeah. That counts. That's a dynasty. That's a dynasty.

50:06Big Cat:Three and five years. If you win three and five, we count that as a dynasty.

50:11PFT Commenter:Which they did. Yeah. They won 19, 22, 23. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's three and five. Yeah, three and five. I'm bad at that. I'll say one thing.

50:20Big Cat:year math fucks me up all the time yeah well the nfl it fucks me up all the time i agree i mean it it fucked up the uh the commanders when they put out their new merchandise and they crowned us like 1992 super bowl champions on them i can't figure it out that the 1991 season the the calendar should start after the super bowl yeah the start of of the american calendar should be february 15 15 Yeah, that sounds good.

50:47PFT Commenter:Yeah. So do you agree it was a dynasty? It may be over, but you can't say it wasn't a dynasty. Yeah.

50:55Big Cat:The last great American dynasty, maybe. I guess, technically.

50:59PFT Commenter:You don't agree? No, I do.

51:01Big Cat:I mean, I have to. It's the letter of the law. They are a dynasty.

51:06PFT Commenter:But you disagree with the law. You're doing it against your will.

51:10Big Cat:I have no choice but to accept it as a dynasty. You have to follow the law, wherever it may take you. They did lose to Tom Brady during that dynasty. On the Patriots. And the Bucs. No, because I think they lost to Tom Brady on the Patriots before the dynasty started. Yeah, the Bucs. The first Super Bowl. Really got to give credit to the Bucs for breaking up what could have been an all-time dynasty. Yeah. I've got some stats behind the Chiefs in one-score games.

51:41PFT Commenter:But that also was the end. The dynasty was over then.

51:46Big Cat:No, I've heard on the show a million times they're going to win the Super Bowl this year. So this dynasty will still continue.

51:52PFT Commenter:Hey, have you ever made a take that you were wrong about? Like saying that the Patriots stink after they lost the Raiders?

51:59Big Cat:No, I just said they might not be there this yet. Might, keyword might. I also said on the show they're going to be the best team on this podcast, which I was laughed at, mocked on, ridiculed.

52:06PFT Commenter:But then you took it back. But then you walked it back. So which one do you want credit for? Laughed at yourself. So. So. So you can walk back takes, but no one else can. I just said that might have been wrong. But now you want the credit for not. There you go.

52:23Big Cat:All right, yes, I make bad takes.

52:26PFT Commenter:Is that so hard? The Chiefs have to win this game.

52:30Big Cat:I do have stats about the Chiefs and how they operate in end-of-game situations when it's close. Last year, they were dominant in these close one-score games. Just found a way to win every single week, no matter what. But if you look at, there's a company called True Media that allows you to look at every play in certain specific situations. So if you make the criteria that if it's within eight points, so a one-score game, in the final five minutes of regulation, and they only count the snaps that aren't kneel-downs. So real plays in one-score games in the final five minutes of regulation. The Chiefs, they've only had 11 snaps under those parameters.

53:12Big Cat:Okay. But their success rate is, I believe, Mahomes is 2 for 10 for 29 yards, one sack. They have a delay of game penalty, too. So they have a net total of 13 yards. That means they have an 18 % success rate in those clutch situation plays. 18 % would be the absolute lowest of any NFL team over the last eight years. the last eight years they would be the worst in those situations this year and then if you if you count that as among teams with at least 10 snaps in that situation it's the worst mark of any team in the last decade per the athletics so it's just they're just not good at the end of football game

53:57PFT Commenter:yeah that's the thing is like if you look at all of the chiefs numbers defensively offensively they they are still a good football team it's the end of game situations and we said it on monday the most shocking thing about that game against the Broncos and I give all the credit to the Broncos for this when the Chiefs used to have the ball up three with four minutes left you wouldn't get the ball back that was just the game it was just over the Chiefs would just drain the clock get the first down and the game would be over they can't do that right now and the Colts the Colts are getting a little healthier with their secondary which is now going to be a strength because of obviously the trade for Sauce Gardner but I think Chardavius Chardevius Ward opened his practice window.

54:41PFT Commenter:The Colts, this is kind of a, like if the Colts can end the Chiefs right here. Yeah. The Colts are now very much for real. I mean, I already think they're for real, but this is a big spot. I'm excited for this game.

54:53Big Cat:I was thinking about what's going through the minds of the Colts players this week. And obviously the Chiefs are going to be dangerous because they're a desperate, wounded animal that's been put in a corner. Yeah. And they have to fight. but there's also a chance that they could just give up at some point because they're sick of fighting. The Colts team is going to be super fired up going into this game because this is their chance to shut up everybody that's like the Colts might be a fraud.

55:18PFT Commenter:Yeah, they might be, which I do not think they're a fraud.

55:20Big Cat:I don't think so either. I think that that's going to be an edge that they're going to use. I think I like the Colts this weekend. I think that big game for Jonathan Taylor.

55:29PFT Commenter:Fun fact, the Indianapolis Colts are the only team that Patrick Holmes has not beaten in the regular season. That is a fun fact. He's 0-2. Hmm. Also, fun fact. Ready for this one, Max? Patrick Mahomes, right now, the Chiefs are on pace to not make the playoffs. They're outside looking in. That would be something that Jalen Hurst has never done. Jalen Hurst has never missed the playoffs. Awesome stat. That's an awesome stat. Fantastic stat. But also, Jalen Hurst would have to win his next 10 playoff games in two Super Bowls to tie Patrick Mahomes at the same age.

56:03Big Cat:Sounds like it's possible. Okay. Max, would you... You're saying there's chances, what I was going for there. Couldn't quite get those words out of my fucking mouth. Max, would you take credit for the Eagles breaking the Chiefs dynasty? Yeah, I mean... For destroying the genetic makeup of that team. If someone had to do it, I'm happy it's us. Hank, how do you feel about that, about the Eagles being your greatest ally? I love that. I love that Eagles team. You love Philly. Biggest bet I ever won. Thank you, Big Dom. Yeah. Thank you, Big Dom. Yeah. Dom Brady. He's a man. I mean, he was on the field, but shout out to the Eagles.

56:43Big Cat:Yeah, but you know his impact. Actually, he was. Yeah, he was. He was definitely on the field. Yeah. You're wrong about that. He was on the field. After the game. No, during the game, too. On the sidelines, yeah. He stepped on the field a couple times. He was on the field. Yeah. Shout out to the Eagles.

56:55PFT Commenter:A little nerd thing from Sports Info Solutions. the Colts so the Chiefs play a lot of two high zone looks cover four more so than cover two and the Colts are top ten and the Chiefs are bottom five and success rate in each of these splits so Jonathan Taylor may be a good game Tyler Warren more Tyler Warren and Michael Pittman they could be the guys that are getting a ton of targets here

57:23Big Cat:I think this might be a Jonathan Taylor special might be a special

57:29PFT Commenter:okay let's go to the next game the Jets at the Ravens Ravens are minus 13 and a half the Rex Ryan bowl over unders 44 and a half Tyra Taylor will start I'm gonna ask Diana what do we think memes where we at

57:48Big Cat:I think I think the Jets are due to get blown out and if Lamar plays I think everyone should just go enjoy or their Sunday. Don't watch this game. Okay. All right. No confidence in Terod. I have some confidence. The Panthers game when they played, his arm is done. But it's more not done than Justin Fields. I guess Justin Fields' arm just doesn't throw the ball. He doesn't have an arm. No, Justin Fields is broken. But I do feel like Terod gives you an offense. I guess what I'm getting, I'm not going to say that the Jets are going to win the game, but I kind of like him to cover. Yeah, no, Tarot gives you a chance.

58:27Big Cat:And Lamar didn't practice yesterday because of an ankle. Okay. Now, so I saw a cut-up of all of Lamar Jackson's interceptions that he's had over the last two seasons. The Baltimore Ravens wide receivers lead the league in interceptions. It's crazy. Lamar has been so good at taking care of the football when it comes to passing. Fumbling is a different story, but when it comes to passing, he just does not throw interceptions. Any interception that happens is because it bounced off his receiver's hands and then hit the tight end of the face mask and then caromed into a cornerback's arms. It's pretty crazy to watch.

59:05PFT Commenter:Thoughts? Memes? Jets don't have an interception this year.

59:08Big Cat:Really? Yeah, only team without an interception.

59:11PFT Commenter:I feel like you were holding that stat back from us. I feel like you were hiding that from us.

59:14Big Cat:No, I thought everybody knew that stat. Were you ashamed of that one? A little bit. A little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

59:20PFT Commenter:Because they've had the ball thrown directly to them. and they still haven't picked it up. Yeah, a lot of times. A lot of times. The Ravens defense, we've talked about on the show, under 20 points allowed in the last five games. They have turned the corner. This is when the Ravens have to start. They struggled a little bit with the Browns. That was a tough game. It's a divisional game on the road. This is a game they need to just dominate, right? What about – have you thought about Aaron Glenn off a bye? I have not thought about Aaron Glenn. He's not, though. They're not. They won off a bye, though.

59:53PFT Commenter:They lost to the Patriots last week on Thursday Night Football. That's right. I forgot about the game against the Patriots.

59:56Big Cat:Yeah, I forgot. That was a long time.

59:57PFT Commenter:No, they won. Yeah, no, but they played. They're not off a bye. They're not off a bye.

1:00:02Big Cat:I had forgotten about the Patriots game on Thursday because that was not on a Sunday. And it feels like 10 years ago. So, no, the answer, I have not thought about Aaron Glenn off a bye either. Okay. Okay.

1:00:15PFT Commenter:Afternoon games. Browns at Raiders. Raiders are three and a half point favorites. The over-under is 36.5. Do you guys know the last time the Browns have won on Pacific Standard Time? Ooh. Baker Mayfield 2018. No, it was actually Brandon Whedon beating Carson Palmer in 2012. Who could forget? That's pretty crazy. Yeah. So it has been almost 13, 14 years, bad at year math, since the Browns last won a game on Pacific Standard Time. That's very tough. It could happen, though. It could happen.

1:00:59Big Cat:It feels like this might be the weekend that it maybe could happen.

1:01:02PFT Commenter:Well, Shador, remember, the Raiders passed on Shador seven times. Yeah. Seven times in the draft the Raiders passed on Shador, and they said they were going to draft him. And the Browns passed on him how many times? A lot. Six? Shitload.

1:01:15Big Cat:Yeah.

1:01:16PFT Commenter:Everyone passed on Shador.

1:01:16Big Cat:That's probably why he doesn't seem to get along with the Browns. You guys passed on me too.

1:01:20PFT Commenter:Listen, we need Shadassi to win this game so we can get some takes off.

1:01:26Big Cat:I 100 % agree. I think that him, he has the highest upside in terms of driving people insane. One way or the other, given if he plays well or he plays poorly, some people are going to be mad. The Shadur apologists will be out in full force if they somehow lose this game and Shadur plays well. That might actually be, if we're looking for the perfect take, like Petri dish, I think the ingredients you would add to it would be Shador going for like 300 yards. A lot of good quarterbacks haven't thrown for that yet. Having him go off and then have the Browns defense somehow actually not hold up their end of the bargain.

1:02:04Big Cat:And then we'll get people being like, his defense has to play harder for him. That would be very funny if that were to somehow occur. occur but yeah it's uh that's not going to happen because their defense is awesome and miles garrett is dominating and he has an opportunity to break the all-time sack record this season yes he has

1:02:20PFT Commenter:been phenomenal i did say the stat earlier in the week that the browns since coming back as a franchise uh quarterbacks are making their first career starter oh and 17 it's really bad yep

1:02:33Big Cat:42nd Brown starting quarterback since 1999.

1:02:37PFT Commenter:But some positive news. Shador Sanders, his jewelry didn't get stolen. So his house was robbed during the game, which do you think the robbers waited until he got in the game? Because that's kind of weird that he got robbed on the day that he played in the first regular season game.

1:02:54Big Cat:I think it's more that could be the case. They've got like a TV and they're like, okay, we've got eyes on him. We can confirm that he is in the game. He's not near his phone. He's not at his house right now. It might also just be that the only reports that we've heard about are from starters. Yeah. If they're robbing starters, they're probably robbing some backups. Right. But they just call the cops and then nobody picks it up in the news because they're like, oh, this guy's QB3. Yeah. Not worthy of a click. But he had a great quote from it. He said, I didn't get robbed. My house did. Ah. That's a good way to look at it.

1:03:30Big Cat:I like that. Yeah, so he's resilient. I like that a lot.

1:03:34PFT Commenter:I'm going to probably take the Browns. I don't want to watch this game.

1:03:40Big Cat:I want to watch for the Shador takes. I want to be prepared going into Sunday night show, armed with every single snap that Shador had, all the throws that his receivers didn't make a good enough play on, how his offensive line didn't block hard enough for him. I want to know everything that's going on.

1:03:56PFT Commenter:I agree with that. All right, Jaguars, Cardinals. Cardinals plus three, overrunners 47 and a half.

1:04:02Big Cat:I had a quick question for you about the Raiders. Oh, yeah. Do you think at some point Pete has to get Geno off the field? I don't think he was the problem last week. He was one of the problems. Yeah. I don't know. Does it matter? Not really. But I think that Pete at some point has to, he's got to do something if he wants to keep the guys that are in the locker room kind of like on board. Yeah, I don't think it matters. Okay.

1:04:28PFT Commenter:Yeah, no, I'm just saying like Geno can't, I don't think Geno can be the quarterback next year. I'm saying this season it doesn't matter. I don't know what the Raiders are going to do. Yeah. You know, it's just a clusterfuck. Yeah. So he could or he could not. I think they'll still be bad.

1:04:43Big Cat:They'll definitely still be bad. I don't think it would make a difference, but I don't know. I just hear, it's mostly former players that talk about it when they say that there's a guy that's obviously struggling.

1:04:52PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:04:52Big Cat:Then at some point, all the other guys that have contracts that they have to earn, they start to turn their back on the coach when they don't make a move. Yeah. At least change something. You're right. It does not matter at all.

1:05:02PFT Commenter:Because I feel like there's going to be a lot of Raiders that aren't Raiders after this season.

1:05:06Big Cat:Yes. I would agree with that. And who's his backup? Is it Kenny Pickett? Kenny Pickett. So what's the, yeah, what's Kenny Pickett's war over Geno? At this point.

1:05:14PFT Commenter:I don't know.

1:05:15Big Cat:I don't know that it's that.

1:05:16PFT Commenter:It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The Cardinals and the Jaguars. The Jaguars are three-point favorites. It's the overrunners, 47 and a half. Jonathan Gannis said on being on the hot seat, he said, not controllable for me. I didn't hire myself. I'm not going to fire myself. He could fire himself. He could. He could absolutely fire himself.

1:05:36Big Cat:Fire yourself, rehire yourself.

1:05:37PFT Commenter:Yeah. Demote yourself. This is a sneaky big game in terms of the Jaguars are an up and down team where they're up, they're down, they're up. They win, they lose. They win, they lose. This is a team they should beat off a big win. They're very much in the wild card race. They're in the playoffs right now. I want to see the Jaguars put it together.

1:05:57Big Cat:Yeah, I mean, last week was pretty impressive what they did after giving up that lead to Houston to come back and just kick the shit out of the Chargers.

1:06:04PFT Commenter:Yeah.

1:06:04Big Cat:That was pretty crazy. I don't think anyone saw that coming. I like Liam Cohen's advice that he's given to Trevor Lawrence now. We're seeing a different Trevor out there now. Liam Cohen told him it's time to cut it loose. Let's go. So we've been cutting it loose for the last week. I don't know if he's cut loose this Sunday as well. I imagine you have to keep him cut loose if it worked last week, right? Yes. But I like that advice. Trevor does sometimes tend to play a little wound up, a little tight.

1:06:34PFT Commenter:A tiny bit.

1:06:34Big Cat:So just cut it loose. He looks like he should be the loosest guy in the NFL. Yeah. He looks like Spicoli out there. Cut it loose, Trevor. But he's got to just keep it cut loose. And yeah, I like the Jaguars' chances too because I don't know what to expect from the Cardinals. No one does. I don't. I really have no idea. Jacoby's going to throw it all around the yard. He could go off for another 450 yards, and he could throw for 117 yards and two picks. I don't know what to expect from the Arizona Cardinals.

1:07:00PFT Commenter:So we talked about the Browns Raiders. We talked about the Jaguars Cardinals. The other game in this slate besides the Eagles is the Falcons and Saints. This game, the Falcons are just the biggest bummer team out there. The Saints are one-and-a-half point favorites. The over-under is 39-and-a-half. I'm going to probably bet the Saints because something about Tyler Shuck, and I just don't know. Drake London is going to be out probably, and Kirk Cousins is starting. Michael Penick is hurt again. Everything is just bad. Congratulations, Hank, by the way. The Saints are going to be playing a game in Paris.

1:07:35PFT Commenter:I know you're pumped about that. Huge. Are you going to go? Going to work. Someone said you should have to go to every single international game. I would hate that. That would be such an awesome punishment. I would hate that. Don't do that. Don't please. Please. And I realize now it's probably your burner account. Do you have anything about this game? I don't.

1:07:53Big Cat:Drew Brees is going to be announcing it. Okay. So he seems a little biased. He'll probably have. And it's not right that Drew Brees is announcing. Now that I think about it, he can announce all the other Saints games. I really won't care. This week, the Falcons and the Saints.

1:08:07PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's going to be doing the pregame meetings.

1:08:09Big Cat:Yeah. That's not fair. Well, no, that's not what I'm talking about. But that's a good point. That's an excellent point. And we should have that conversation. I was just saying this is mean for Falcons fans. Yeah. Like you hate Drew Brees. The Falcons and the Saints actually, like the fan base is, it's on site. This is kind of spitting in their face if you're in charge of these play-by-play and analyst placements. He should not be allowed in this game, in a rivalry game. I think it's a bad thing to do to the Falcons fan base that's been through enough. and yeah we got uh drew brees drew brees and uh kirk cousins and pennix is out for the entire season partially torn acl it's just it's a bummer weekend for falcons fans and i think that rahe morris is probably pretty heavy on the hot seat right now you know it would be very fun what the

1:08:59PFT Commenter:falcons could do to have some fun they signed kyle trask as a uh to their practice squad kyle pitts had 720 receiving yards and nine touchdowns when kyle trask was throwing to him at the university of Florida. Let's just do that. Let's just do that. Just spam Kyle Pitts. Kyle to Kyle. Be fun. Okay. This is, so I mentioned that game first because the Eagles and the Cowboys, the Cowboys are three point underdogs. Overrunners 47 and a half. The Eagles now, unfortunately, we are at a point where they have to put on a entertaining game for us in the afternoon because the other games are not very good and i do not feel confident in that and max is like i don't give a fuck how about you give a fuck about our entertainment okay how about you give a fuck about the fans sorry don't care

1:09:48Big Cat:you don't care asshole you don't care how the eagles look i don't care about your entertainment asshole about winning football asshole asshole yes you got that completely asshole just do it yeah have a good game i do think this might be an entertaining game i think it will be too I think this is an over game. I kind of agree with you, Max. I think this is an over game. Actually, no, I don't. I disagree with you. But I think it's going to be more entertaining than what we've seen from the Eagles. Are you nervous about this game, Max?

1:10:18PFT Commenter:Of course. I mean, I think the Cowboys are alive in this game. For sure.

1:10:22Big Cat:I mean, it's hard to sweep the Cowboys every year. I mean, we don't do it. Like, we don't do it. It's tough. And I think that the Cowboys defense was so bad to start the season. They were just terrible. Quinton Williams changed the defense. Yeah. He changed the defense. Also, Overshone coming back. Yeah. That's a big deal. So he's an awesome player. Cowboys are a good team. I think that their defense might end up being close-ish to average at the end of the season if everybody stays healthy. Yeah. I don't think that they're a bottom three, bottom five team anymore. Their offense is awesome. Yeah.

1:10:58PFT Commenter:And Dak at home against the NFC East, he's been very, very good. He's 21-2 straight up at home against the NFC East, and he's 17-6 against the spread. That's pretty good. He defends Dallas against the NFC East.

1:11:11Big Cat:How do we feel about the Kelly Greens on the road, Max? Is that what they're doing? Yeah, I love that. In all situations. Because I think this is the first time since they brought the Kelly Greens back that they're doing it outside of Philly. No problem with it. Zero problem. It could fix the offense. The Kelly Greens could fix the offense. there's no reason to think that it won't. Yeah, right now what we're doing is a no bad ideas meeting. Yeah. All right, no bad ideas. That's a good idea. Kelly Green, always a good idea. Always a good idea. What can fix the offense? Yeah, what about the Kelly Greens?

1:11:45Big Cat:Okay, all right, yeah, yeah, no bad ideas. You're saying no bad ideas. You're inferring that it's a bad idea. It's a great idea. I'm not inferring anything. I'm just saying we're having a no bad idea. I just said it was not a bad idea. No, but you should be like, great idea. Great idea. Like, you bring that to the meeting, and it's like Kelly Green's fix the offense. You're like, wow, great idea. So we're not having a great idea. We're having no bad idea.

1:12:08PFT Commenter:No, we're having an only great ideas meeting. That's a great idea.

1:12:10Big Cat:Yeah. Okay, so say. Only great ideas. Okay, only great ideas meeting starting right now. Pitch me what you've got, Max. Kelly Green's. That's a great idea. And then. Tanner McKee. Probably every other. Great idea.

1:12:25Big Cat:Cut A.J. Brown. Great idea.

1:12:27PFT Commenter:This is the only great ideas meeting. Yeah.

1:12:29Big Cat:Bad idea. Bad idea.

1:12:30PFT Commenter:No, no. No, that's a different meeting. We didn't know. You said you wanted an only good ideas meeting.

1:12:36Big Cat:But then you have to come with good ideas. Tanner McKee. You are. Max doesn't understand the assignment. Disrespectful. Have you thought about Tanner McKee at all this year? No. Pug has. Not even for a second. I know. Pug loves Tanner McKee. Pug has definitely thought of that. I think if someone offered a first-round pick for Tanner McKee, Pug would say no. I actually know that he would say no. What would you take for Jalen Hurts? Me? Yeah. That's my quarterback. Yeah, but everyone has a price. What would you take for Jayden Daniels? I think my price was like six first-round picks and Josh Allen.

1:13:12Big Cat:I'll go seven. Okay, but no, Josh Allen. Got it. Well, no, he's got Tanner McKee. Yeah, Tanner McKee. He'll need Josh Allen.

1:13:19PFT Commenter:Every man's got a price. George Pickens, by the way, his pace this year, 17-game pace, 99 receptions, 1 ,500 yards, 12 touchdowns. He's been awesome. I saw the report that the Steelers were like, we're happy he's had success, but we were so sick of his shit, we don't care. Okay. Yeah, okay. So they're painting this as a win?

1:13:38Big Cat:Yeah, I guess so. So right now they're getting like half the production from DK, but they're not sick of his shit? Yeah. So that's a win.

1:13:46PFT Commenter:I'm excited for this game. This game better deliver. And I think the Cowboys are live. I think plus three is a bet I might make.

1:13:53Big Cat:I think they are, but also congratulations to the Eagles for being the first repeat champion of the NFC East since 2004, I believe. They can't clinch this week. Yeah, but no. No, he's just congratulating. Yeah, congratulations. They can clinch next week. Yeah, you guys have won. Yeah. That's honestly one of the most impressive streaks in sports that that division has had. It is. Pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. But all good things have to come to an end, and the dynasty killers, the Eagles are doing it. Yeah. Good job, Max. Good job, Max.

1:14:21PFT Commenter:Okay, last game on Sunday. Good game. Bucs at Rams. Rams are minus 6.5. Over-unders 49.5. What are we thinking, boys? The Bucs have the flu. Oh, no. Yeah. Like the butt flu? No, yeah, they have the flu. They've been sick. Zach, have you read this? I'm seeing some stuff on Twitter. Not looking good. Team sick. Team sick.

1:14:45Big Cat:And this needs to be like a slump-us game, and now we're just down bad. Then what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. How do you get rid of the flu? Not good. We got to blast meds. We need to get some sanctioned meds and start blasting them. Or unsanctioned. Preferably sanctioned. You live in Florida. You got some good unsanctioned meds. They got some doctors probably, yeah. Yeah, probably leads the league in unsanctioned meds in the state. I kind of like the Rams in this game. I like the Rams against just about any team. But when you toss in the extra flu. And then actually I think a big difference in this game.

1:15:15Big Cat:Baker, I don't know what he's going to do for motivation. Because Sean McVay believed in him. Yeah. I guess Sean McVay didn't re-sign him.

1:15:22PFT Commenter:He does. His wife is pregnant with their second child. Okay. Which maybe that's motivation to play for his second child. He said he's going to have a little shithead on his hands because he's a boy they're expecting. Congratulations to them.

1:15:32Big Cat:Congrats. But you know what I'm saying? Like, Sean McVay, there's absolutely no bulletin board that Baker Mayfield can have about the guy that helped him get out of where he was.

1:15:39PFT Commenter:Correct. The Bucs are in their just annual slump. So in 2023, they went 1-5 between Week 6 and 11. 2024, they went 1-4. This year, they're 2-3. They've had losing streaks of three-plus games in each of the last two seasons. So this has happened. They just got to get out of it. And really, when they got to get out of it, they got to start playing the Saints again. Yeah. I think they have the Saints twice. That'll be good for them.

1:16:06Big Cat:Yeah. That's always nice. We get back to some divisional games, and our division historically is not the best.

1:16:10PFT Commenter:Yeah. But I kind of like the Rams as well. The flu thing, 15 guys on the Bucs were apparently sick on Wednesday. now Wednesday is pretty far from Sunday so maybe they're going to be fine before that but you never want to hear the flu

1:16:24Big Cat:yeah if you all have the flu on Wednesday is it possible they were all faking it Wednesday is a great day to fake being sick trying to get out of it if I was back in school Wednesday would be a prime candidate for yeah I don't feel good I can't go in today because then you just you essentially just give yourself a two day school week at that point

1:16:43PFT Commenter:by the way they did already play the Saints once So this might be the bet on the Rams and then buy all the Bucs stock game. Because the Bucs finish with Cardinals at home, Saints at home, Falcons at home, at Panthers, at Dolphins, Panthers at home. That's the buy the Bucs stock, right? I don't really think the Bucs... And they're getting healthier.

1:17:05Big Cat:The Bucs probably don't have a tremendous sense of urgency right now either.

1:17:08PFT Commenter:No. They're kind of slotted in, hey, if we lose this game, it's going to be... I mean, I guess seating will matter, obviously, because of, you know, there's some very talented teams in the NFC. Yeah. But realistically, I would say the Bucs are going to be okay to get in the playoffs. They just it would be nice for them to win this game, though. Yeah. Not on flu week. Not on flu week. Not on flu week. I also think Todd Bowles blitzing Matthew Stafford is probably not going to work because Matthew Stafford is just good.

1:17:36Big Cat:Yeah. Really good. I mean, Todd Bowles has had some games where he just takes the foot off the blitz button where he's just like, let's see what the defense. does if I don't send an extra guy yeah but this does feel like a game where he would be more

1:17:47PFT Commenter:inclined to do that any other things from this game are you gonna do we have a hungry dog have you decided we do this every week I know and I'm every week I expect you to have something at least

1:17:58Big Cat:that means that it's the Bears that means that the Bears game is gonna be in no that's fine every week and it's like I don't I don't choose a hungry dog okay well do you know what you're like every bet I guess you do it you're very defensive right now I know I just every week it's like what's the hungry dog and i'm always well i just want to give to people and this is our picks and preview but

1:18:14PFT Commenter:just give us what are you thinking sorry let me let me rephrase it hank what teams are you looking at one hungry that's 100 in the hungry dog so then give it to us vikings okay i like the browns

1:18:27Big Cat:i like the cowboys the i like the bucks i like the uh stealers okay three some combination of

1:18:35PFT Commenter:two of those will be in it in it and then you're gonna i also like the colts oh i think a lot of dog i know that's where it's like i don't and then i get in my head if i what about a round robin

1:18:45Big Cat:no no why it's the hungry dog it's three underdogs it's it's usually it's a fair question though because after every thursday show i'll go on to the barstool betting group on draft kings and i'll see hank just put in a bunch of his bets during the show so you do bet it sometimes during the show but that's not the final one that's not the one i like it's not the final it's the henry I put one in. I think I put this in on Sunday. Browns, Bucks, Vikings.

1:19:12PFT Commenter:Oh, that sounds close. That's not the final one. No. Yeah, but it's nice to give the people at least something.

1:19:17Big Cat:I just like to check the odds, and then it's like, well, it's already, you know. Yeah. It's grouped together. Might as well bet it.

1:19:21PFT Commenter:Might as well just do it.

1:19:22Big Cat:But, yeah. We'll see.

1:19:24PFT Commenter:Okay. Let's do Jerry's Fantasy Minute, and then we will do our touchdown parlay, and we'll do our best bets.

1:19:33Big Cat:By the way, in the couple hours since we talked about Jerry and his antics in the group chat, he's texted the group chat twice. Okay. Yeah, he is still. What are the updates? He's just demanding to know if anybody's going to take any of his dozens of trades that he sent out. He said, I'm taking trades down. Oh, he's doing the artificial takeaway. Oh. He goes, I'm taking trades down, but guys, the flow of players needs to flow. You can just hit decline. Good luck in the playoffs, everybody. to which CJ McCollum replied, I'll evaluate today. Been off the fantasy football grid because he's playing for the Washington Wizards.

1:20:07Big Cat:Yeah. And then Jerry says, I believe there are nine hours left until trade deadline. Dot, dot, dot. No biggie. Okay. He's very desperate. Jerry's very desperate. Okay.

1:20:17PFT Commenter:Jerry, here he is. This thumbnail looks like an elephant. Yeah. I was thinking dick.

1:20:24Big Cat:Oh, yeah, like a robot penis. Yeah.

1:20:25PFT Commenter:He's in his basement or something.

1:20:31hey what's up so the music means so the music means i'm doing uh i got one minute i gotta fix these ducks uh we got relatives coming over for the holidays and i gotta fix the dry duct and i'm trying to save two hundred dollars but i'm gonna end up spending six hundred dollars to repair what i did all right um we're gonna uh we're gonna start deep cleaning way to be max you gotta deep clean you gotta get in the crevasses we're gonna um we're gonna sit hank talking smack about big dom careful dude you're gonna end up with the fishes um we're gonna uh start pulling forward and that rams d sorry shane ever since he left the charges he's uh kicking butt um we're gonna start max losing 30 pounds before the holidays dude come on we can do this uh uh in reality we're gonna start preset we're gonna start demarcato and uh we're gonna start pierce all He's back.

1:21:26I did it. One minute. Call 1-800.

1:21:28PFT Commenter:Get somebody to fix your house because you're going to end up breaking a hand. What? Listen, you're going to do it, Max. We're starting after the holidays.

1:21:41Big Cat:We're going on a Zen pick. We're just going to go on a Zen pick.

1:21:44PFT Commenter:You're going to blame me for the free lunch in January.

1:21:47Big Cat:Oh, the free lunch. I am so anti-free lunch. It's insane. I'm starting a movement. I might get a petition going.

1:21:53PFT Commenter:Come on. You're going to ruin it for everyone else? No. It depends if enough people want it.

1:21:58Big Cat:What if we just get, Max, what if we do like a salad bar? That'd be great. Free lunch salad bar? That's not what he wants, though. He doesn't want salad bar. Like the Ruby Tuesday salad bar. The Ruby Tuesday salad bar is so good, but also pretty fat.

1:22:10PFT Commenter:But it's still salad. But it's still salad. It is still salad. Okay, let's do, we got to win our touchdown parlay. Did we get skunked last week? We might have gotten skunked. I think we got skunked. so DraftKings football season just got even better Barstool is bringing you the game of the week every single week through the end of the regular season here's the deal every Friday we'll announce a game of the week from the Sunday slate of games when the game of the week drops all you have to do is share a bet slip on the game with the hashtag BarstoolGOTW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of five$1 ,000 bonus bets that's right five lucky winners every single week of the season download the DraftKings sportsbook app use code TAKED Get in on the action today.

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1:23:03Big Cat:What are we thinking? I'm thinking... What are we thinking? I'm thinking Q. What? Quinshawn Juggins. Okay. I like going up against that Raiders defense. I thought about doing Shador at 6-1 because I feel like quarterbacks in that situation, he's going to really want to score if he gets around the goal line. Of course, if he's not there, he'll probably take off. I'm not going to do that. I don't want to do that to the AWLs. So I'll say Quinshawn Judkins.

1:23:28PFT Commenter:Put on Quinshawn Judkins on there, Max. Oh, you're doing the wrist.

1:23:34Big Cat:He's doing the watch, yeah. Hank? Legendary.

1:23:39PFT Commenter:Thoughts?

1:23:42Big Cat:Jalen Hurts.

1:23:44PFT Commenter:Jalen Hurts. The one I will be betting,

1:23:47Big Cat:if AWS want to just take it anytime TD is the Browns defense.

1:23:52PFT Commenter:Oh, I like that too. That's a separate one. What do you guys want to do in the night game? I was thinking I want to do Sean Tucker, but Bucky Irving might be back. Should we just go Devontae Adams because he always scores? Devontae Adams does always score. And that's our last piece. Do you want to put Devontae Adams in there? He always scores. Let's just put Devontae Adams in there. it's a low odds one no it's 10 to 1 6 to 1 do you want to put in Sean Tucker put in Sean Tucker let's see what Sean Tucker is Sean Tucker makes it 10 to 1 should we do it? I say go with your gut and my gut was Sean Tucker alright so yeah Jalen Hurts, Sean Tucker 10 to 1 bet with us best bets time we have the standings I think it went 0 and 2 last week I think it's tight at the top.

1:24:47PFT Commenter:We have I'm at 13. Max at 13. Hank's at 12. Memes at 10. Zach at 10. PFT nine and a half. Got to push.

1:24:58Big Cat:Got to push and a win last week.

1:25:00PFT Commenter:Okay. Who's up first? I believe Big Cat. Oh, shit. I'm on the clock. I didn't want to be on the clock this early. I am going to my with my first overall selection. I am going to take the Giants-Lions over 50. Okay. Fuck. That was mine. Yeah.

1:25:22Big Cat:Can't believe you didn't take this. Nuke. Nuke City, Volume 2, Kansas City Chiefs, minus 3.5.

1:25:28PFT Commenter:Oh, I got burned last week. I can't do it again. I'm going to bet them, but I can't nuke.

1:25:33Big Cat:I'm going to take the Seattle Seahawks, minus 13.5.

1:25:36PFT Commenter:Big spread. Some spread.

1:25:40Big Cat:I am going to take...

1:25:47I will take Bengals Patriots over 51.

1:25:54Big Cat:Good call. Good call. Good call. 50 and a half right now.

1:25:58PFT Commenter:Oh, cool. Oh, mine's 50 and a half as well. Sorry. I'll take 50 and a half. Mine is 50 and a half.

1:26:05Big Cat:I would like to take the Philadelphia Eagles minus three. Go Birds. Big Game Max. Another Big Game. Big Game Max. What did you say? I said another Big Game for Big Game Max. Oh, God. I'm going to take Nuke City. Oh. Nuke World. Nuke Universe. Yep. Love this. The Indianapolis Colts. Oh. Plus three and a half. Oh, boy. That's a big half point right there, Hank. That's a huge half point. Three and a half. Give me the hook. Nuke City. Give me the Colts and nuke it. And then for my other pick, I might do a double nuke. I might do Fat Man and Little Boy. Welcome to tomorrow's part of my take. I'm doing the under in the Jets-Ravens.

1:26:55Big Cat:44 and a half. I don't see how that game gets to like 35. Nice pick. Yeah. What, memes? We'll get to it. Okay. Okay. I'm going to take the over in the Vikings-Packers game at 41.5. Okay. Max? I'm going to shuck some corn. Saints minus two.

1:27:18PFT Commenter:Shit. I wanted that. It's two and a half, by the way.

1:27:20Big Cat:Minus two and a half. Fine. Still love it. I'm going over in the Jets-Ravens over 44.5. I think this flies. Whoa. Flies. It's the Jets-Ravens. You think Terod revenge game? Yeah, this will be like 44 to 21. Flies. Who wins? Ravens. Okay. All right. Give me over 35 and a half. That's a criminal number for an NFL football game in the Browns Raiders.

1:27:53PFT Commenter:I'll take the Cowboys plus three. What? Bad guy. Why? Bad guy. I think the Cowboys are going to cover the spread. Eagles can win the game. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we will see. That's why we gamble. We'll see, yeah. We'll see. Okay, let's get to our interview with Pete Prisco and Kyle Long, and then we'll finish up with Fyre Fest.

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1:29:56PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on two very, very special guests. They are very good friends. We thought this would be fun to do because you can see them all the time on CBS Sports HQ. It is Pete Prisco and Kyle Long. They are the new, like, jock and nerd that we used to have. What, Pete, you think you're the jock? It's jock and jock. Oh, it's jock and jock. Okay. Nerd. What are you talking about? He was a guard in high school, bro. Two bald guys. All right, so we want to have you guys on Talk Some Ball. I want to start with this. You guys work together every day. You know each other's takes. So let's start with what is the thing that you guys disagree with the most right now in the NFL?

1:30:40Pete, go ahead.

1:30:44Probably the Bears.

1:30:47PFT Commenter:Okay. Let's get into it.

1:30:49Big Cat:Well, because, you know, Kyle, like you, is a homer. Yeah. And I'm a little more realistic because I look at the schedule and see, you know, that they really have what they played one team with a winning record and lost to them. And so I'm a little I'm a little apprehensive. And Kyle goes in with pom poms waving every time we talk about the Bears.

1:31:10PFT Commenter:Listen, this is a this is a fair thing to bring up, Kyle. I want to hear your thoughts. I have I've I've approached this season going into the season. I was like, I want to see Caleb get better and I want to see Ben Johnson be the real deal. Both things have happened. I understand we haven't beaten anyone good, but we're winning games that we never used to win. You know this. Like, from a culture standpoint, you still talk to guys in the building. Like, it's different. It's different. Whether they end up in the playoffs or not, this has been a success of a season. Yeah, it's 100 % a huge difference.

1:31:41It's polar opposites from the last time we saw this team. I mean, just evidence in the fact that they win close games. That's like, it's almost like the, you know, from Space Jam where they took the powers from the Monstars, or the Monstars took their powers. It's like the inverse of that. Like they found a way to be confident in big moments. And I think the first thing I looked for was the sack numbers getting cut down. And he's nearly, you know, more than cut it in half, Caleb Williams has. So to see that him and Ben Johnson are growing and continuing to progress. And you can hear Ben Johnson this week when talking about Aaron Rodgers' comparisons to Caleb Williams.

1:32:16He's like, pump the brakes. This kid's still got to get the ball out quicker, stuff like that. So there's still teaching going on. It's not like that ended in training camp. I think that's really big for the Bears fans. And I think the other thing is this. I expected them to win like eight games. We're one game away from expectation. So regardless if you've got to play the Philadelphia Eagles for the next seven weeks, they have reached an altitude at which they can do their glide path and land this plane safely and parlay it into next year. This is just extra football, free football. If you're a Bears fan for the first time in a long time since like 2018, you're watching and say, man, that was fun.

1:32:53I'm just like, I'm really happy that we're having fun here.

1:32:56PFT Commenter:Yes. And meaningful football. Meaningful football in December has not happened in a long time. And this is a good test for this team. And the approach I'm taking, because Pete, I know you're a big schedule guy. If the Bears, the schedule going down the stretch with these seven games, if the Bears fall on their face, then they were never going to be a playoff team because we're playing playoff teams now. Like, this is what you're going to do when you get to the playoffs. I think they're going to be able to make their way into the playoffs. I know the haters like you have derangement syndrome about Caleb Williams.

1:33:26PFT Commenter:Not a hater.

1:33:27Big Cat:Not a hater. I think he's improved greatly. I'm not a hater.

1:33:31PFT Commenter:Okay.

1:33:32Big Cat:I think they're moving in the right direction. I just don't think this is their year. I think they're a year away.

1:33:37PFT Commenter:That's fair.

1:33:38Big Cat:I love what Ben Johnson has done with him. I think he's gotten a lot better. Everything has slowed down. Let me ask you this. Do you guys know the new chant? good better best it's oh oh my god well the way you say it makes it sound lame that's not good pete yeah go ahead let me hear let me hear you say it what do you need yeah it's good better best

1:33:59PFT Commenter:well yeah then there's like i'm never let it rest yeah till your good gets better till your better gets best whoa look at that oh you're a hater what's wrong with that pete i don't

1:34:10Big Cat:listen i i would like to agree with you because i think i feel like we've you know we fit the same role sometimes we're the the little spoon in in this equation with our our counterparts here i don't under can i hear kyle say it before i judge it i want to hear a football guy say it what does he say good better best until you until your good gets better until you to your better gets best i mean are you kidding me bro so like i was a big bu guy for matt naggy and uh i use the The BU mantra, I write it on my paper every Sunday before I do my show. But when Ben Johnson's mantra is like, let's just go kill everybody, I feel like I would align with that well as well.

1:34:53And it's evidenced in those close games, dude. The killer instinct, we want the ball back. And if we do get it back, we are going to score. I saw that type of confidence in Kansas City, and I am in no way comparing Patrick Mahomes to Caleb Williams. but the clutch factor, the belief. I hear Patrick Manley talk about this all the time, the belief in this locker room. It's priceless, and it gives them an opportunity to win every single time when they have the chance.

1:35:19PFT Commenter:That's coming from a guy who's in a locker room unlike Pete. Well, Pete played high school football. You were an offensive lineman, right? You were a guard.

1:35:25Big Cat:I also know it's corny. It's a little corny to me. It wouldn't get you fired up. It takes something a little stronger than that to get Pete Pristock. You can't half-ass that saying. You can't half-ass do it. And that's why I give Ben Johnson a ton of credit. Everything this guy does is so insane that it's authentic. Like, it's not quite insane yet, but it's like next-door neighbors to insanity, but the good kind of neighbor to insanity. And I feel like the guys are invigorated by that. And, you know, in order to get that stench out of the building that we've had the last handful of years, the last 40, some would argue, 50, whatever it is, you need a psychopath, dude.

1:36:01and they've got one and like I enjoy watching the Bears every week it looks like all the guys are coached by the same person like when I watch the O-line for example if you watch them the last couple years it's like who are the bastards that are coaching these guys because they're all using different techniques they're blocking each other half the time you watch this team dude they are on a mission like the door just dropped on the U-boat and they're and they're going out of that thing to go kick some ass every single play bro and i i love that about this team i that i like

1:36:31Big Cat:your take too that it's like the mon stars they're the mon stars of the midway and you could argue we've talked about this on this show where uh it feels like last year the commanders took that from the bears after the bears game and then this year the bears took it from the commanders after that game and it's like divergent paths for each franchise kind of a sliding doors game no matter no matter who wins that one um i think that the bears are good i think that they're a good team I don't think that they're going to win many playoff games, but that's fine. Yeah. That's still a great season for them.

1:37:01Big Cat:Between the two of you guys, who has had the better season picking games? Me. But it's been close. And I've been good. It's hot and cold for both of us. Yeah. And I had a couple weeks where I was just garbage. And Kyle pulled ahead of me. But in recent weeks, he's been garbage. And I've hit my best bets better than he has. But he killed me last year on those. But so far, it's been me. And I've had a couple of really good weeks. And I've had some really bad weeks, by the way. I mean, look, this season is goofy. You guys know. It's hard to pay. The emotions. I mean, how do we gauge, like, when Green Bay goes and beats Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers, it comes home and loses to Carolina.

1:37:44Big Cat:I mean, you know, Buffalo goes on the road and loses to Miami. It's just so tough to get a feel for this. And so our picks have kind of shown that. We've had rough seasons, although I'm above 500 right now. It makes it fun, though, to come in and be like, I can't believe I was wrong there. Why was I wrong? How did this happen? And then you go watch the Panthers and you're like, wait, the Panthers are a good football team. We're spoiled as fans of football to get to see in actuality, I'll say 32 teams that can play some good football. The Titans have a lot of work to do. But let's use the Browns, for example.

1:38:18they punish people every single week defensively and it's just by nature of the fact that there's only four elite teams uh people will never have an appreciation for like a true appreciation for a guy like miles garrett or the season a rookie carson sweschinger's had in cleveland stuff like that goes unnoticed but there's good ball being played everywhere and that's why it's so hard to

1:38:41Big Cat:pick these games that's actually a very healthy way to look at it what did i get wrong we do absolutely no self-reflection on their show. We just get mad. We don't really know how to blame it on us. We just put it all on Hank. That's kind of our direction for it. When it comes to the contest or the season-long record that you guys have, is there anything at stake? Do you guys have a bet? No. It's shit talk every single week. When that graphic comes up in the intro, it's either Pete laughing or me laughing. That's really what we play for. One of us wants to hide shame every week. It's just so bad.

1:39:14Big Cat:You look at the best bet record It's like, oh, my God, we this stupid? Actually, we are. Yeah. The bottom line is we have fun. That show is so much fun to do. We laugh. The breaks, the breaks are incredible, by the way. I can tell you that the breaks in that show. We laugh our asses off. And Chris Hassel does a great job. And we just we have fun with it. It's as much as anything I've done. It's the most fun we do there. And by the way, he replaced Brady Quinn, who I had. I did that with Brady Quinn for a long time. And Kyle just stepped right in seamlessly and picked up the pace, and he's done a great job with it.

1:39:49Big Cat:Yeah, you guys have fun. I like watching the show. I truly watch it every week, and I enjoy what you guys have going on there. I know that you've been talking a lot about the Chiefs and how broken they are. Is there a way that they can move forward that they can fix it? Is it fixable this season? Well, Mr. Michael Jordan needs to start playing like Michael Jordan, for one. I mean, you know, Patrick Mahomes hasn't been himself. And last week, that game was on him. You know, we want to talk about everybody else, and we give him all the kudos all the time, but he wasn't very good last week. And so I think he's got to take it upon himself to be better.

1:40:25Big Cat:And they've got to get the ball down the field, and you can't throw that red zone interception. And so they will get it going, by the way. I'm in the minority on that. I know a lot of people are ready to throw dirt on them. I think they beat the Colts this week. I think the schedule's favorable the rest of the way. And they'll get into the playoffs. And you know what they'll do when they get into the playoffs? Be the team that nobody wants to play because they have Patrick Mahomes. He's just in a little bit of a slumpy. He just starts playing better. And Pete can talk about the offense. But at the end of the day, and Pete, I know we've all watched the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty.

1:40:58What is the one unsung hero for the Kansas City Chiefs? It's Steve Spagnuolo and his defense. Now, third down is widely known as the money down. and they have not been making money on the money down for the Kansas City Chiefs defensively. Even if you do have MJ over there on the sideline playing quarterback, you got to make some stops. And that's the one thing that Wett kind of unheralded through this whole dynasty was that defense. And the concern for me against this Indianapolis Colts team, which is a must win for the Kansas City Chiefs, is you got to be able to put yourself in a good position on third down defensively.

1:41:33Because when you're going against Jonathan Taylor on first and second down, and then you've got a guy like Warren and the number of guys on the outside that can make plays in short areas it's going to be tough sledding so the Chiefs have to dominate first down against

1:41:45PFT Commenter:the Colts uh I got a question for I'll start with you Kyle and then I want to hear what you have to say Pete are you enjoying watching the Philadelphia Eagles play football you're starting with me yeah uh I understand why people don't and they want to vomit when they do but my god it's the best defense I've seen played in quite some time. And the heroics that have had to take place on that offensive line to fill in for guys that have come in and out and guys that are out there playing hurt. It's an inspiring brand of football. I would describe it as like trench warfare. We're only going to move two meters a day, but like, boy, we're going to celebrate those two meters and we're going to end up taking over your territory.

1:42:27And you look up amidst all these, the bitching and complaining about the Philadelphia Eagles, and they're in first place. And the defense is an absolute wagon. And you know for a fact that Jalen Hurts will figure something out in the playoffs, and if he does end up in the big game, he's going to play his balls off. And that's just the way that it's happened for the Eagles. Am I concerned with the noise coming out of the receiver room? Hell no. This is par for the course, bro. This is just what happens in the NFL. I used to take the huddle with Martellus Bennett, Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler, Matt Forrest Shit is said buddy We had to kick Brandon Marshall out of an inside run period Because Jay wouldn't throw him the ball Now let me say that again We kicked him out of a 9 on 7 running period Because Brandon Marshall wanted the football These receivers Are just different bro And that's what you're seeing in Philadelphia

1:43:19Big Cat:Yeah I like it I like that from a wide receiver That's every wide receiver I can tell you this 100 % back in the day when I covered Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith, and Keenan, who's now a wide receiver coach, by the way, we used to joke around and say he was mean and he was happier when he had three catches for 28 yards and they lost, than he was, I mean, when he had 10 catches for 100 yards and they lost, and if he had three for 28 and they won. That's the wide receivers. They all bitch and moan. But at some point, you've got to tell them to shut the hell up. And the great quarterbacks do. I think Jalen Hurts is getting frustrated with those guys.

1:43:56Big Cat:I really do. And Sirianni needs to tell him to shut up. Go play football. The offense right now is not good at all. The route tree is primitive. People say it looks like a high school offense at times. I can understand. They don't get a lot of separation. They need to go back to the roots. Greg Olson's got more routes in his offense with Luke Keekly than in that Pop Warner league. I can promise you that. You know what? You're not wrong. And they need to go back to their roots. And what are the roots? turn and hand the ball off to that guy who carried you to the Super Bowl last year. And then you can throw off of that.

1:44:31Big Cat:I think they've got away from who they are. And Kyle mentioned that some of that has to do with the offensive line injuries. And now Lane Johnson isn't there. But Barkley has to carry that team. It can't be the other guys doing it. It has to be him. So at some point, if Jalen's not the guy that's yelling at A.J. Brown and being like, shut the hell up, because unless there's something that hasn't been reported, it seems like that kind of went above Jalen's pay grade. to the point where the owner stepped in and the owner was like, Hey, you got to chill out a little bit. Like if, if that's coming from the owner and Jalen hasn't done that yet, I could, I could see the team being like, Hey dude, what, what are you doing?

1:45:06Big Cat:Why, why aren't you, why aren't you stopping this? Why are you like calling the principal? You got all the quotes, but none of the confrontational leadership. I mean, that's the hard part about being in the national football league is you're it's grown men dealing with other grown men. And, and then you take into it the account, like, Like, you know that these receivers are going to be a certain type of way. So as a quarterback, this has to be an expectation. You got to put out fires, dude. It's like being a parent, right? Like, no, you can't fucking have that dress. Your sister is wearing that dress right now.

1:45:36Like, it doesn't make sense for you to freak out over this. Quarterbacks have to be good at that. And you either are or you aren't. And it's a personality thing. And I think Jalen is, I think he's a great leader. I think watching him play football is, like, inspiring. but some guys aren't cut out to deal with the diva personalities yeah i i'm just thinking right now

1:45:57PFT Commenter:my my middle child is a.j brown right now the way she's been acting around my house she is a.j brown and i'm i'm not dealing with it well she's about to she's about to go and see you got to bring the owner downstairs i had to carry her into school today because she's like i don't want to i'm not i'm just not going to school i was like well this is a problem yeah i had i had to stuff frankie my almost four-year-old into the car seat about an hour ago on the way to gymnastics because she wasn't ready to wake up from her nap but you understand it's like i'm i'm suited for for uh for a little wrestling so back in the day you would have got a swat the back of the head you know you can't do that we don't do that you're right pete you're right all right so uh i got a question about the afc i was wrong about the game on sunday i thought the chiefs were going to beat the broncos the broncos impressed the hell out of me their defense we know is elite i thought Bo Nix was great too because I've watching Bo Nix there's just quarters that go by where you're frustrated you're like what is going on but then he makes big plays he made some big plays in that game are we trusting Bo Nix Pete not yet okay why because look there are like you said there

1:47:08Big Cat:are three quarters where most of the games where he does nothing and then all of a sudden he comes alive and it's just inconsistent okay I'm gonna give you said the big play the big play that he He threw down the field to Franklin late in the game. Was that a good throw or a good adjustment by Franklin? And I asked that because somebody told me, they said, oh, I think he threw it away from the defensive back. I don't think so. I think it was just a bad throw. And Franklin made a play on the ball. So there are things wrong with his game that I sit there and I say, I don't know if I believe in him yet.

1:47:37Big Cat:We all believe in the defense, and Sertan's not even there. I mean, how good are they going to be? And that'll travel if they have to travel in the playoffs. But is the offense good enough? Do they run it well enough? Do they throw it well enough? I just, as great a coach as Peyton is calling plays, at some point that kid's got to be able to make plays in the pocket. You can't boot everything. And we sit and watch the games on Sunday and go, which way is he going, left or right? Is he going left or is he going right? And so I think that's my concern with them.

1:48:07PFT Commenter:Okay. Kyle, are you a believer in the Broncos? I'm a believer in the formula that they have and the recipe for success, which is dominate the line of scrimmage defensively, have a stable of running backs that you can lean on, have a quarterback that can cut the field in half to Pete's point. It can be to a detriment sometimes when that becomes what you lean into all the time. But as a guy who I rush the passer a little bit, I would hate to chase a guy around like Bo Nix because he can throw it, he can run. At altitude, you get worn out up there chasing him around. But I have faith in the Broncos team.

1:48:41I just sometimes have to remove myself and go to 20 ,000 feet and say, this is a second-year quarterback. So, like, he's been okay and he's going to get better. And Sean Payton, like the most confident man in football, is the voice in his ear. I think that's worth something, in my opinion.

1:48:58Big Cat:And, by the way, we asked this question the other day when we were sitting around. And so I'm curious to see what you guys say. If the Ravens have to go to Denver and the Chiefs have to go to New England, And right now, New England and Denver are the two best teams in the AFC record-wise. Who would you pick?

1:49:13PFT Commenter:The Chiefs. I would take, in that scenario, I'd probably take the Ravens. Wait, Ravens are going to Denver.

1:49:22Big Cat:I would take the Broncos and I would take the Chiefs. I don't know if I'd take the Chiefs right now. The scientist in me says that the oxygenation, or lack thereof, in Lamar's hamstring would lead me to pick the Denver Broncos at altitude.

1:49:36PFT Commenter:That's a great call. So, all right, so Pete, we asked Booger this when he was on Wednesday. If I gave you to say, hey, go to the Super Bowl, the Broncos, the Patriots, the Colts on one side, or the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Ravens on the other, you're going to take the Bills, Chiefs, and Ravens? Absolutely, 100%. He took the other side.

1:49:56Big Cat:Yeah, well, look, here's what I think about the Ravens, and I've said this many a time, and Kyle's heard me say this, I think the Ravens are victims of what happened to them in recent years. And by that, I mean, they were so good in the regular season and put everything into the regular season. And Lamar won MVPs and they got to the playoffs and they stuck. Well, now they've struggled through this year and they've had they're going to have to work to get to the postseason. And once they get to the postseason, I think the Ravens health wise, they're going to be back to get most of those guys back.

1:50:28Big Cat:When they get to the postseason, they're going to be one of the most dangerous teams come playoff time. I really believe that. So I'll take the Ravens, the Bills, and the Chiefs, and you can have the other three. At the beginning of the season, I picked the Eagles to beat the Ravens in the Super Bowl. And I thought myself a little bit insane at the beginning of the year with all the injuries in Philly up front. I said, well, there goes their X-Men superpower. And then Lamar Jackson goes down with a hamstring. We know how these hamstrings are. But then even more concerning, the defense wasn't defensing in Baltimore.

1:50:58And our guy Roquan, he's woken up and all the guys around him seemingly, you know the type of energizer pony that Roquan is. And when he starts making plays, the next guy next to him make plays. And it feels like they're kind of feeding off that in Baltimore, and they might kind of enjoy not being the anointed regular season champions this year. They're kind of sneak up on people. But it's funny that the two favorites, the Eagles and the Ravens, in my opinion, they have questions about them every single week. And different questions. But, like, this league, bro.

1:51:32Big Cat:Yeah. This league. There's another team in the NFC that's got some questions coming off the last week that I was really high. I still am really high on them. But they took a small step back last week, the Seahawks. I still feel like they're an elite team, that they're capable of doing a lot of dangerous things in the playoffs. would you say that the Seahawks have a Sam Darnold problem, or would you say that Sam Darnold has a Rams problem specifically? I think he has a Rams problem, but I also think in the back of all our minds, and nobody will admit it, I will, I say it all the time, you think Sam Darnold is going to turn into Sam Darnold at some point.

1:52:11Big Cat:I mean, aside from last week, and I didn't think it would happen last week because it's a November game. You know, I figured it would happen in December or January. but he looked awful last week and look they threw some different looks at him and they got pressure on the interior against him and I get it but he looked frazzled and that can't happen it just can't happen to the big games and it happened against them last year in the playoffs and it just can't happen and it's not just that team I think anybody who's going to get pressure on him he's going to cause some problems and and so yeah there's a Sam Darnold problem at least in my mind and he by the way.

1:52:45Big Cat:He's been having a great year, lead the league in yards per attempt, driving the ball down the field at a time when most teams won't do it. But the big moment, everybody has a doubt about him. I don't care. If you don't say that, you're lying, unless you're part of the Seattle Seahawks, like Ernest Jones came out and defended him last week. I'm glad that you brought up Ernest Jones, because I listened to Ernest Jones speak, and I was like, man, I tip my cap to that guy, because I've been in locker rooms before, and Big Cat, you've covered these locker rooms where the quarterback is under constant fire and people are always just waiting for that fucking shoe to drop.

1:53:18And I can't imagine the stress of being in Seattle, being such a powerhouse of a football team. And the only thing people want to talk about is when's the magic going to run out on your quarterback? I am not panic selling on Sam Darnold. In fact, I would wait for this to happen two more times before I said they have a Sam Darnold problem. He's been so good for the last 18 to 24 months. You can't deny that. And every quarterback, every guy in this league takes a different route to their final form. And I think what we're seeing is Sam Darnold in his relative final four, and he's a damn good quarterback.

1:53:48Four picks ain't going to get it done against Matt Stafford, though. He needs to be sure to taste that and move on. Find out exactly what it was that caused him to shrink either physically or mentally and get it out of your system, bro, because this Seahawks team is primed to go run the table in the NFC. For real. They're a great team.

1:54:08PFT Commenter:Yeah. All right. So other guy like that, Daniel Jones, are we saying he's new Daniel Jones? Or are we saying similar to Sam Darnold, oh, you don't know when the shoes are going to drop. Pete, you're shaking your head. What do you think?

1:54:22Big Cat:Usually this league, you are what you are. I say it all the time. You are what you are. You're going to have moments where you're up here if you're one of those guys and moments when you're down here and eventually you're in the middle. That's who you are. You know, the great ones always stay, usually stay up here. They might have a game or two down here. but Daniel Jones in the last couple of games has turned the ball over a bunch. I mean, that's concerning. And they run the ball. We know what Taylor is. Right now he's the best back in the league, and they're good on the offensive line, and they have a great, you know, tight end, young tight end.

1:54:52Big Cat:But he can't turn the ball over. And you saw, you start to see in the last couple of weeks, little hints that he might be turning, you know, our guys call him Indiana Jones, and he's turning back into Daniel Jones because he turned the ball over. So, yeah, I'm concerned because you are what you are. You don't usually change that. Pete is the jock on this show. He hates every quarterback. He's like, these pretty boys. You can't even hit them anymore. You are what you are.

1:55:19PFT Commenter:Kyle, are you believing in the Colts? I think that as long as Quentin Nelson, as long as Jonathan Taylor, as long as Tyler Warren are healthy, I don't see why it wouldn't work. But I would say I have more questions about the Colts quarterback than I do about the guy in Seattle. And, yeah, I mean, he's got to prove it to me more. Because Sam Darnold went on his mixtape tour last year. You know what I mean? Right. Like, this is the Daniel Jones mixtape. And, yeah, I'll be interested to see the final tracks on the mixtape. Yeah. All right, guys, quick break from Pete Prisco and Kyle Long. Thanksgiving week is about to be here, which means three things, football, food, and that one night where you see everyone you went to high school with at the same bar reunion no one asked for, but we all somehow show up to.

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1:56:37PFT Commenter:So no matter what you're up to, stock up on Twisted T for whatever your Thanksgiving week holds. Also, if you're listening in Madison, Wisconsin, for the Badgers versus the Illini on Saturday, if the Badgers score a touchdown, I'll be airdropping some Twisted T to State Street Prats. So if you're watching the game there and the Badgers score a touchdown, some Twisted T's on me, all you gotta do is just be there and I'm gonna send some twisted tees and we're gonna score a touchdown I'm gonna guarantee at least one touchdown in the game and if that doesn't happen then I'll still probably airdrop him after the game I'll tweet about it okay back to Kyle Long and Pete Prisco

1:57:19Big Cat:All right, I got a thought starter for you guys. It's more about quarterbacks, Pete. So you have a gun to your head. And the question is, you have to pick one of these two guys to go out and win you one football game. Go one for one in football games. And if you get it wrong, boom, sleeping with the fishies. Dead. The quarterbacks are J.J. McCarthy and Shador Sanders. I think I'm dying, whichever one I pick. no no get all here I'll have my papers in order I'm done look I was one of the few guys that didn't think J.J. McCarthy would be good in the NFL I just didn't and for reasons that you know stories I heard and he's tightly wound and the whole deal I just I didn't think it would work and a lot of the things that I thought I'm seeing you know trying to be perfect and he's not perfect he can't be perfect you got to play off script You've got to be able to do things.

1:58:16Big Cat:You can't overthink it in the pocket like he does. And so I think, look, Shador Sanders, we have no idea. But if I had to pick one or I was going to die, I would probably go with J.J. McCarthy and just hope like hell that there was nothing in the chamber, okay? Because I don't want to die. Well, if you just picked J.J. McCarthy, now there's like 35 million people coming to, like, dropkick you, Pete Briscoe. You've got to understand that because Shador has a lot of fans. I'll say this. I've seen J.J. McCarthy lead his team down the field. I haven't seen Shadur do it in the National Football League yet, but I am anxiously awaiting his first real start this week against the Raiders.

1:58:57And obviously, I've kept my eye on Shadur for a long time because, you know, I too grew up in the shadow of somebody who was a Hall of Famer and a legend, and the pressure is immense. And that's from somebody who played at the line of scrimmage. Now we're talking about a quarterback in Shadur. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does because I love good ball like the next guy, and I hope we get another quarterback that can play because it's great for the league. It's great for me and Pete. It's great for you guys. Everybody wins.

1:59:24PFT Commenter:Wait, you said something there that's interesting. So, like, obviously your dad's a Hall of Famer, and, you know, you and your brother played in the NFL. Did you feel the pressure of, like, or maybe people were, you know, pointing you out being like, we've got to get him. From the first day I put a helmet on, I had a – You know how they say when you're on a good team, you've got a target on your back? Well, when you've got a name that people know, you've got a target on your back, too, for the minute you step onto the field. And I just remember whether it was verbal or guys trying me, as the kids would say, after the play, stuff like that.

1:59:58It was like head on a swivel all the time. And it benefited me greatly at my position because, you know, you have to have a little bit of that feel like you're backed up against the wall and you've got haters everywhere. When you come from a private school like I did, you have to kind of create those fires that inspire a lot of other people. But Shadur, I mean, he's had his bumps in the road, and he's said things that he probably regrets, but everybody has. He's just under a different microscope.

2:00:27Big Cat:Yeah, yeah. It is interesting. So when you were coming up playing ball, like in high school, what was your dad like in terms of how much praise he would give you after the game? Was it easy to earn the praise? Like he was trying to encourage you or was it like you got to earn it? It was definitely effort-based, effort-based grading scale. And, you know, whether or not I played well or played like shit, you know, we were going to go home and be a family and it was all going to be good. But, you know, when you're out there busting ass, because my younger brother was the quarterback. So when I was out there protecting him and flying around and being a demon, it was fun to hear from my dad.

2:01:08hey, that was some special stuff. That was really good.

2:01:12Big Cat:You didn't tell the story about when you played bad, your dad locked you in a room and you weren't allowed to eat for a while. Yeah, he put me in the Harry Potter staircase. He made me eat roaches. Pete, so you played offensive line too, right? How much did you weigh when you played? 165 pounds. As a guard? Yes. Were you good? Yeah, really good. He was annoying as shit. I was dirty as dirty can be. I mean, it was anything and everything. Because the guys, you know, we played St. Thomas Aquinas, which is one of the best schools in the country, and they weren't as good back then. But we played those schools.

2:01:51Big Cat:And so I had to be dirty and nasty. And, yeah, I was a pig. I mean, I'll be honest about it. I was dirty. And you know what's amazing about that? This is a true story. The toughest kid I ever faced was no bigger than me. and he was like this kid from the country and his hair was in his eyes, the whole helmet came down, and he's hitting me and hitting me and I'm hitting him and I'm hitting him and I'm telling you, it was as dirty as it can get. And at the end of the game, I saw him standing over the pile and I go, I'm getting one last one in. And I came running across the field and blasting him and sent him over the thing and they threw me out of the game with about 15 seconds left.

2:02:28Big Cat:I need footage of Prisco playing O-line so bad. I wish there was like huddle back then so I could get my hand. I wish I could see it too. We used to have to go back. We could go watch the tape. It wasn't tape then. It was film. You'd have to go in and sit in the room. Real to real. Yeah.

2:02:43PFT Commenter:Pete, do you bench more than Kyle?

2:02:45Big Cat:No. But I can say this though with 100 % certainty. I turned 65 on October 5th. And that morning I was in the gym throwing 75 pound dumbbells up 12 times. How about that? Oh. I love that. I felt Pete's arm when walking. I gave him one of the, like, I cupped his tricep walking into the studio the other day, and it was like a horse's leg. You got the barbed wire tattoo, right, Pete? What's that? You have the barbed wire tattoo, right? I have no tattoos.

2:03:14PFT Commenter:You got the Urlacher. Kyle, that is something, like, is that just an offensive lineman thing where, because Kadic does that all the time in the office, where if you walk by Kadic, he's just going to grab you. It's like, dude, can you please not? I'm touchy-feely. I feel like all offensive linemen get it from a coach that at one point touched them like that. And it usually happened on a recruiting visit. The easiest way to recruit these high school guys, this sounds so horrible out of context, but if you've got a 17-year-old young man on your campus, the easiest way to find out about him is give him the old cup, cup to the hamstring, cup to the tricep.

2:03:51In introducing yourself, you get to see if he makes eye contact, get his name, find out what his voice is like, and then you get to feel a little hamstring and tristep. That's where they do the recruiting. All the other shit is just fluff.

2:04:05PFT Commenter:So you could touch a guy's leg and you could tell us if he's going to be someone. Shit, I could look at somebody's leg, but, you know, if there's any deliberation, I got to get my hands on it.

2:04:15Big Cat:It was like the guy who – you never see the guy that walks around, he's all yoked and everything, and then you look at his legs and he's got these tiny skinny legs. You know he skips leg day and he couldn't play offensive line. That's a matter of fact.

2:04:26PFT Commenter:Yeah, I mean, it's like there was that clip of Harbaugh when Joe Alt got drafted and he had Joe Alt and his dad go back to back and he was just marveling at the size. Joe Alt is created in a lab. Yeah. By the way, the Chargers, I feel like they're struggling right now, or at least they were against the Jaguars. Are they in deep waters without Joe Alt? Because it does feel like they're a different team. Obviously, they lost for Sean Slater. Is there any fix for their offensive line and what they want to do? Or is it like, Kurt? Time and treatment and getting ready to run it out there again. Because, dude, when Slater and Alt are on the field and Justin Herbert is a quarterback, it is like unbelievable to watch the pockets this guy can stand in and just launch his rocket launcher from.

2:05:14Now he's got to move around, get creative in the backfield. The pocket's always collapsing. They had to freaking get him off the turf the other day with one of those little spatulas. The guy stuck to the ground. And it's just like the concerns I have with Philadelphia without Lane. There's so many things you can do from a protection standpoint with Joe Alt on the field. And then obviously with Slater on the field, too. It just becomes peeling bananas in the middle three. But the Chargers, without those two guys, their identity is not grabbable for them.

2:05:48PFT Commenter:Yeah. Pete, you're out on the Chargers? They're not making the playoffs.

2:05:52Big Cat:They're not. It's going to come down to that Chiefs-Chargers game, and I think the Chiefs will beat them. They're 7-4, but if you look at their schedule, it's brutal. And that offensive line is horrible. Look, last week, Jacksonville went into that game, couldn't rush the passer at all, and they rushed the passer. They got after the quarterback. It's so bad. You know, you think Penning's going to fix it in the left tackle? They yanked him out of the game. He was so bad. It's a terrible offensive line. And he just got there.

2:06:17PFT Commenter:Yeah, it was awful. It was awful. Pete, you're a big schedule guy. The Patriots have had a pretty easy schedule. Do you believe in them or you think it's like, hey, once they play? Because they have had two tests, the Bucs and the Bills, and they passed both those tests. So where do you think that they, you know, come into the picture for the AFC playoffs?

2:06:37Big Cat:I think they're a year ahead of schedule. So whatever they get this year is gravy. I thought they were going to be good next year. They're ahead of that, for me at least. And so you're right. But they went to Buffalo and beat the Bills, and they beat Tampa. And those are two – you know, those are the games you looked at. You say, prove it to me, games. And they proved it. So it's hard to doubt them. Now they've got the Bengals this week and then the Giants next week, and then they go to the bye. They're going to probably go to the bye on a 10-game winning streak, and nobody knows if they're that good.

2:07:07Big Cat:I mean, that's the reality of it. We've got to be impressed with the quarterback. They do some good things on defense. They can cover on the back end. But do you really, again, I go back to what I said earlier, do you really believe in that team? If Buffalo and New England played on a neutral field, who would you pick? Well, I watched the Buffalo Bills get beat by them in a whiteout. That was a long time ago, though. That was a while ago. That was like week 20 for Drake May, bro. Yeah, but now the Bills are getting healthier on defense because, look, the run defense has been awful. They haven't had guys in there who could stop the run.

2:07:39Big Cat:They're getting healthier on defense. I think getting Harrison back is big for them. But again, give Frable a ton of credit. He showed the formula coach quarterback. If you have that, you're winning everything else you can supplement. Coach quarterback and three hundred and thirty million dollars worth of acquisitions in the in the offseason. Oh, yeah. And all of them hit, you know, like it's oftentimes we see these guys that get out. So, like, let's say after four years in Chicago, Chicago liked me, but they didn't love me. And I got to test free agency and then I get to go to New England. Well, what if I showed up and I sucked there?

2:08:13That's usually what happens. You're not getting what you pay for. New England got what they paid for. And I credit Mike Vrabel and his staff for really identifying those guys because they just got a bunch of tough, crazy sons of bucks. And it starts with Drake May, dude, and the calm and the confidence that he has. There is no elixir. There is no antidote for extreme accuracy. And his completion percentage is all that I need to see. and the explosive plays, the distribution of the football, guys like Stefan Diggs having a renaissance, the New England Patriots are for real. And then they're not going to fumble it when it comes down to situational awareness, game management, clock management, because who's better than Mike Vrabel at that?

2:08:58PFT Commenter:Yeah, and you're right about the free agency stuff. Usually when you're a free agent, you're a free agent for a reason, and it doesn't work out. They don't let good players walk, big guy. You know what's funny about Drake May?

2:09:08Big Cat:Drake May is like, to me, and there were some people during the draft because he worked out with them and he trained with them before the draft, is that he's like Phillip Rivers. And, you know, Phillip Rivers. I once told Phillip Rivers, I go, Phillip, I've talked to many a player about you, and you know what they say? They say you're the biggest asshole on the field and the nicest guy in the world off it. And you know what he said? He goes, I'll take it. And that's what Drake May is. Drake May is, aw, shucks. Gee, he's all good. Yeah, yeah. And then he gets on the field and he's a killer. That's what he is.

2:09:35Big Cat:He's an on-the-field killer, but aw, shucks, aw, shucks off the field. I love it. What about the Steelers? I feel like this has been, this conversation has been disrespectful to our friends in Pittsburgh. Talk about the Ravens, how you trust them, how they'll get into the playoffs. It's like every game is a playoff game now for them. The Steelers are still in first place in that division and the Steelers, they, they are kind of, they do control their own destiny, but everyone's just putting their, we're writing the Ravens in. So what, is there anything about the Steelers that could make you believe?

2:10:06Big Cat:Like, what do you need to see out of them for you to say, OK, I think that the Steelers are going to be just fine? Well, where's Rodgers in terms of his health? I mean, that's number one. And number two, he wasn't playing that well, but even before this injury, the last couple of weeks, he hasn't been that good. And so that's concerning to me. They've had, you know what they've been? They've been one of the most inconsistent teams out there when you think about it. There were weeks where they were really good on offense and terrible on defense. and weeks where they were really bad on offense and good on defense.

2:10:39Big Cat:And so I think at some point that catches up with you. I don't think there's a consistency there. And what was it, two weeks ago, the Chargers just waylaid them. I mean, they didn't do anything. And Rodgers looked old in that game. So I'm concerned about the Steelers. I know Tomlin does a great job. They have two games with the Ravens, like you said. It's there for you. Go take it. It's yours if you want it. Now, those divisional games, particularly in the AFC North, I mean, I feel like everybody gets nerfed in those games. And by that, I mean like the Browns, we expect the Browns to beat the Ravens when they play.

2:11:11You know what I'm saying? Shit like that happens in the AFC North. It's like the Wild West. If I'm a Steelers fan, I'm kind of glad that people have been disrespectfully not talking about us because you get Aaron Rodgers and everybody on the planet wants to talk about him. And Mike Tomlin is a guy that we talk about every offseason, Pete. I feel like you're right where you we got it right where we want them and in addition to that Aaron Rodgers is about to get the script for some perks and if you've ever been on TikTok Perk Rogers is about as dangerous a human being as you can ever have and he's going to Chicago this week and if you know anything about Aaron Rodgers he loves that shit and so I'm cautiously optimistic about the bears and a little bit of me is like well you got the most expensive defense on the planet pittsburgh steelers eventually these guys are going to show up and start playing and to pete's point defense and the offense once they match up i feel like they can beat anybody but they can also be beat by anybody because they're inconsistently particularly defensively yeah when

2:12:17Big Cat:it comes to uh to spit gate to uh to getting spat on kyle have you ever been spit on during your game? A little Hawk 2 action. I don't think I've been spit on during a game. I've seen it happen. And when I was growing up, it was Romanowski, I think, spit on somebody. And that was like, in my house, I was like, you don't do that. I remember my dad being like, you don't do that. I like Bill, but you don't do that. I can imagine nobody, yeah, you seem like a guy that would not get spit on. You'd have to deal with the repercussions. You seem like a guy who'd spit on people. No, I never spit on anybody.

2:12:51Big Cat:Even when I was a kid, I thought, Because that's something like a second grader does when he's backed into a corner and starts spitting on kids. Get out of here. Dinosaur in Jurassic Park. It's one of the most vile, disgusting things you can do. It's an insult to the oomph degree. And Jalen Ramsey held back. He should have beat the daylights out of him for getting spit on. I think it's gross. I never spit on anybody in my life. I can honestly say that, nor would I. And nor has anybody ever spit on me. I can tell you that with 100 % certain. Pete told this story about one time a guy dumped a beer on his head.

2:13:22That's true.

2:13:23PFT Commenter:What happened?

2:13:24Big Cat:Oh, that's a true story. I was at a bar and this guy was acting up and he was enormous. He was an enormous guy. He started in with my brother. And I go, let me stand there. And all I'm doing is standing, minding my own business, talking to my buddies, having a good old time. And he looked at me, gave me an elbow. And I said, dude, I go, you're going to back the hell off. I think I might have said I might stab him or something, kidding around. And next thing I know, about an hour later, I feel whoosh, he dumped like a 32 ounce beer right on my head. And I'm drenched. And I was like stunned. I'm like, what's going on here?

2:14:04Big Cat:So with one, not without even thinking, I reared back and threw the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life. And he fell like a tree.

2:14:13PFT Commenter:Oh, let's go.

2:14:14Big Cat:And next thing I know, me and my brother were like stomping him like out of a scene of Goodfellas. And they pulled him out. They come in and pull me out. This poor, enormous bastard. And then they pull him out. And I go, uh-oh, we better get out of here. The Joe Pesci moment. The amazing thing about that, and I told Kyle this. I said, if that guy squared up in just regular combat with me, he would have beat the daylights out of me. He just was that big and everything. But I got one in and he fell like a tree. Flashbang. That works. No such thing as a sucker punch if he pours a beer on you. No, he should have expected it.

2:14:51Big Cat:I mean, it was like, I mean, I can't, never threw a punch that good in my life, nor will I ever again. It was unbelievable. But word got around to all the other big guys. We had a big guy meeting, actually. There was a bolo. I'd go in a bar and hope that guy never came back again. Pete's off the list. Pete said, we're not going to mess with Pete anymore.

2:15:14PFT Commenter:Yeah. All right, boys, this has been awesome. We've got to do this again. I've got one last question. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20 % off your first purchase, Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE. So we've danced around it. Let's get it on the record. We'll do the seven teams to make the playoffs in the AFC and the NFC. Let's start. We'll start with Pete in the AFC, and then we'll move to Kyle AFC, then we'll go to the NFC. So, Pete, AFC, seven teams in the playoffs when we start them in January. No order. Right? No order. Yeah, don't do seedings.

2:15:47PFT Commenter:Just give me the seven teams.

2:15:48Big Cat:Buffalo, New England, Baltimore, Denver, Kansas City, Indy, and Jacksonville.

2:16:01PFT Commenter:Ooh, Jacksonville.

2:16:02Big Cat:Okay. Look at their schedule. It's a joke. The biggest schedule guy in the world. Oh, scheduling back on the schedule. I've heard you talk about the Jaguars schedule before. That was – I jumped ahead of the curve a little bit on that one. Yeah. A little bit. I mean, I don't hate that take. The Jaguars, I just don't trust them. Yeah. Whatever happened to you or who you are with Trevor Lawrence? He hasn't been great, I'll be honest with you. Trevor Lawrence is on his seventh mixtape now. If they beat the Cardinals this week, then they got the Titans and then the Colts at home and they never lose to them and the Jets at home.

2:16:32Big Cat:They should win three or four of those games.

2:16:35PFT Commenter:Yeah, and so for everyone at home, that means the Chargers and the Steelers are out. What about you, Kyle? This is so crazy, and I hate doing these because it involves counting. But Patriots, just stop me when I get to seven. Patriots, Broncos, Bills, Ravens, Colts. I guess you've got to go Jags. And would the Chiefs be able to get in there statistically? I'm not putting the Chiefs out of the playoffs. Is that seven? Yeah, that's seven. So you guys have the same seven. All right. NFC, I think, will differ because I know where Pete's going to go. Go ahead, Pete. Eagles. Yeah.

2:17:20Big Cat:Packers. Lions.

2:17:26Big Cat:Seahawks. Rams. Bucs.

2:17:33Big Cat:That last one's tough for me. Niners.

2:17:35PFT Commenter:I knew you were going to do it, you fucking asshole. Kyle, I assume you have the same except Niners out, Bears in. Eagles, Rams, Bucs, Lions, Seahawks, Niners, Bears. Okay, yeah. I mean, look. Hey, Pete. Do you want to take the Packers out of the playoffs? Pete, you want to talk schedule? The Packers got a tough schedule as well.

2:17:57Big Cat:What about the Cowboys possibly sneak it in?

2:18:00PFT Commenter:What about the Dolphins sneak it in?

2:18:02Big Cat:No, stop with that. Yeah.

2:18:04PFT Commenter:Stop with that. That would be wicked. You want to get crazy, Pete? Yeah. The Dolphins and the Cowboys in the Super Bowl? Dolphins kind of writing the shit out of the ball the last couple weeks. They're kind of bad now.

2:18:15Big Cat:The Cowboys beat the Eagles this week. I mean, you know, then they got the Packers on Thanksgiving, and they win that, and they, you know. They got the Chiefs. Chiefs on Thanksgiving. I do think that the defense in Dallas got way better. That tie could actually play to the advantage of those teams down the road, by the way.

2:18:31PFT Commenter:Yeah, the Cowboys have the Eagles this week. If they win that game, they have the Chiefs at home. They then have to go to the Lions, which will be a tough game, and they finish with the Vikings, Chargers at home, Commanders, Giants on the road. Those are four games they could win. So if they can go, what, two and one in the next three? Yeah, two and one.

2:18:51Big Cat:They could end up with ten wins. And they might be the team that nobody wants to play. Wow. Because the offense is, it seems unstoppable. And then the defense might be average. Well, no, they're getting guys back. You get those guys back on defense, that changes the whole – and you add those guys. As you add Quinn and Williams in the middle, it changes the whole way they play. No, I meant average as a compliment for them. That's a massive compliment compared to what they were at the start of the year. I just thought of what we disagree on, and we'll leave on this one. But Pete hates that Dan Campbell goes for it all the time.

2:19:24Of course he does. And I love that he goes for it all the time.

2:19:27Big Cat:Yeah, Pete, he is who he is. You said it yourself. Dan Campbell is who he is. That's the dance that got you to the dance, buddy. Pete wants him to change because he's tasted a little bit of success. Yeah. Because that's how Pete handled success because now he's a diva. But Dan Campbell is not going to change at all. He's going to keep going for it on fourth down, and his team loves him for it. And if he doesn't go in on fourth down, then he sees – when he looks in the mirror, he sees every coach that he hated. They're either going to have pitchforks or fireworks in Detroit at the end of every season.

2:19:59You know who used to go for it? It will happen because of Dan Campbell.

2:20:02Big Cat:You know who used to go for it? Brandon Staley used to go for it all the time. How did that work out for him? He changed. Brandon Staley changed the way he did business. Look, if he had kicked field goals the other night, would he have won the game? Maybe. It's a possibility he might have won. Not in that win. But would the Lions be as good of a team if he kicked a bunch of field goals? I'm okay with aggression. I'm not okay with aggressive stupidity. I'm okay with aggressive stupidity. No, you're not okay with aggression.

2:20:24PFT Commenter:You're a pussy.

2:20:25Big Cat:No, I'm not. I love it. I think these teams are all playing like pussy. They're all soft. They don't throw the ball down the field anymore. Everybody's scared All the coordinators are scared Look at the completion percentage Some of the greatest in the history of the league have happened The last two years Because everybody's a little dinker and a dunker Throwing a damn ball down the field I love it Pete, I got one last thing here for you This might be a little bit of gotcha journalism on my part But in my defense I was getting my hair cut the other day And they had the TV that was on CBS And I forget which show it was But behind one of the guys on there they had an old fantasy draft board that was the guy's background and i got to look at your fantasy draft choices i want to say this is probably 2019 or 2020 your first two picks in your fantasy league were trevor lawrence and travis atn oh no that tracks i have it right here i have the big board right here let me see it pug took a picture of it i'll text it to you i'll text it to you right I'm curious to see because I don't think so.

2:21:33Big Cat:2019? Maybe 2020. I'm not sure. It doesn't say the year. You also had Sam Darnold. That's got to be somebody who's playing a joke on me by putting it up. I'm curious to know how bad your team was that year. What your record was. You know what? My fantasy team's always stunk. And you know why? Because I don't like fantasy football, to be honest with you. You play real football, Pete. We don't mess around with that fantasy bullshit, that wizard bullshit. A guy can rush for 150 yards and not get a touchdown. If somebody comes in and gets two one-yard touchdowns, they get the same number of points.

2:22:04Big Cat:Is that the same game? Amen. Amen. In my day, we played man football, Kyle Long.

2:22:12PFT Commenter:You wouldn't know about this. Amen. All right. Well, boys, you guys are the best. Thank you so much. Everyone watch them. CBS HQ. Thank you, guys. Thanks, y 'all. See you, guys.

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2:23:34PFT Commenter:OK, boys, fire fest of the week time wrapping up the show. Getting us ready for week 12.

2:23:39Big Cat:Henry, this one, it's a fire turning into a fire. F.I.R.E. Oh, no, I'm starting to get into I'm starting to enjoy my reading of Don Quixote. No way. Tell me about it. i don't i i finally i think i i actually took a picture of when it finally i realized the windmill uh thing because it happened like 20 page or it happened 64 pages in you was the first windmill

2:24:06PFT Commenter:was the first like that windmills are the enemy uh-huh and that's when you start to really

2:24:10Big Cat:identify with the main character well that's what i was like oh yeah i love that you're reading this yeah the it's i don't exactly know when it's like takes place like i don't know 1400s mexico 1500s somewhere between yeah whatever yeah uh not the same you're the one reading it 60 pages in yeah it's just about a guy with special needs okay who hates windmills who read a bunch of books went crazy convinced himself he was a knight and then goes out on this quest but then there was a big like last night i was reading and i was like i'm gonna finish this chapter the end of the

2:24:43PFT Commenter:chapter the author just stopped writing what do you mean it was like he was in a battle i thought

2:24:50Big Cat:he was about to die it was honestly i don't spoil a task but i thought he was about to die the book came out in the 1400s no i'm saying i was gonna relate it to another show but i don't want to do that uh he's in a battle seems like he's he's overmatched he's about to die and then it it's like and this is where the author stopped writing so then i think the story becomes about another author who read an unfinished work and then sets out to find the finished works that's very relatable he just he was like i'm done writing it's too much yeah i don't know it's basically it reminds me of of it's like trailer park boys ricky and bubbles is the best way i could describe don quixote he convinced his simple-minded neighbor to be his squire and they just set off and he just gets in fights i gotta i gotta be honest like this is an excellent book report so far

2:25:37PFT Commenter:yeah i'm enjoying this yeah i've got it's there's a lot of work like you know a little bit the the

2:25:42Big Cat:language is kind of a lot but it's like game of thrones where it's like they just speak you know a little bit ridiculously but it's not it's not bad i was like a little i was like literally had a what the fuck like at the end of the chapter was like wait it was like you know he charged at the guy with his spear and that's where the author stopped writing are you becoming a book guy it's peaceful it's good it's good you know a couple chapters a night and then last night i was Actually, I read another chapter. Oh. My last chapter. Bonus chapter, yeah. Careful. Are you having to stop and go back and reread a page that you just...

2:26:12Big Cat:Because I do that sometimes where I'll finish the end of the page and then I'll think to myself, I actually wasn't reading. My eyes were just going down the page. I didn't absorb anything that was on there.

2:26:21PFT Commenter:Yeah.

2:26:22Big Cat:Yeah. But it's fun. It's not bad.

2:26:25PFT Commenter:I like it. I like that you're reading. Thanksgiving, it'll be good.

2:26:28Big Cat:I actually think I'll be done with it. like I'm going to spend Thanksgiving with, you know, in New Hampshire and won't have much to do. So I think I'll be able to bang it out. Thousand pages? I'm like a hundred in. Okay. As it made you reconsider your windmill take.

2:26:45PFT Commenter:No. Can you do me a favor? Can you just, after you finish this book, I would like you to just make references to it all the time. Yeah. That would be awesome.

2:26:54Big Cat:There's some good quotes in there. Okay. they also there's an f-slur there's an f-slur just in there out of context talk about cigarettes no talking about uh i don't i don't even know what it was talking about what f-slur like these windmills are a bunch of f-slurs they were burning books because he goes crazy and they're like his his helpers and like you know people that work at his house were like we got to burn all the books so he doesn't go crazy and they said the first to talk about a book the first f-word in the fire Oh, yeah. It's a piece of wood. That's a thing? Yeah. Got it.

2:27:29PFT Commenter:Yeah, a bundle of wood. Yeah. Okay. Good. Not really a fire fest, but I like it.

2:27:34Big Cat:Well, it's fire turning into like it's like it was a chore. Yeah, it's starting to be awesome. Yeah. It's really cool.

2:27:38PFT Commenter:Okay.

2:27:39Big Cat:PFT? My fire fest is I lost a DM today. And I think you might understand what I mean in a second. But I've been doing a lot of plane tracking because it's college football coaching search season. And I have people that track some of the planes for me. I dabble in it, but I've got guys that really know what they're doing, tracking the planes and give me updates. And I received one update today, which I then tried to verify with another guy to get the extended itinerary of this jet. So I took a screenshot of the private flight that was entering and departing a certain college town for a different college town.

2:28:16Big Cat:and then i wrote about a paragraph about how i want to find the different stopover locations that this jet has been on excluding all the repositioning flights which don't mean anything they're like red herrings okay searching search and it was a very detailed request of what i was looking for and i was writing it as i was walking and i was also talking to like two different people and then i sat down on the couch i exited twitter and i went back in i did like a couple other things on my phone i went back into twitter the dm was not there i hit i attached the photo i hit send and it's not there and now i'm thinking that i might have texted it to somebody like the wrong number yeah that has no idea what the hell i'm asking about yeah i might have dm'd it to the wrong person that i had an open dm conversation with whatever it is it's lost and somebody out there got the most confusing text of all time from me demanding updates on the flight logs right

2:29:16PFT Commenter:there's a lot of that going around so so what's the solution here so i don't know the solution

2:29:21Big Cat:is it's just out there now i'm just i'm dealing with the anxiety of not knowing where this message went where this very strange request went out into the ether that actually is very scary it is kind of scary so if i freaked anybody out if you're listening to me and i freaked you out that was not meant for you and i apologize um but at the same time if you could get me those flight logs i would really appreciate it if you could figure out how to do yeah let's someone find them now the fire fest behind the fire fest is worse than the fire fest of course it always is because the the real fire fest was the nature of these flight logs that i'm looking at and uh congratulations max is all i'm gonna say whoa what happened max nittany lions It means nothing.

2:30:07Big Cat:What? Who? There's only one reason in the entire world that a flight would go to State College from another unnamed. Wait, I thought it went from State College to... It is, and going back to State College. Wait, is it your coach? I don't want to get into rumors.

2:30:26PFT Commenter:It is?

2:30:27Big Cat:Shit. There is a... There's only one reason why anybody would take a private jet from State College. to the Shenandoah Regional Airport back to State College. It could just be a visit. It might just be a visit. I think it's just a visit. They might be having – you know what? What if he's moving? You know what? Yes. Yes, that's the airport. The Stanton Airport is where you would go. Yeah, he's just moving. James Franklin is using the Penn State private jet to move to Blacksburg. Yeah. They saved him so much money. Yeah, you got a couple left. That was probably part of the buyout. Why not? That's exactly what it is.

2:31:08Big Cat:Okay, we're good. All right. Also, clean up on that. My brother said that he was the real Penn State fan in my family, said that he loves James Franklin for how he left and that I was wrong for even mentioning the thinking post. I like that.

2:31:21PFT Commenter:I like that your brother's giving you like, hey, you fucked up, you idiot. Yeah, no, he told me.

2:31:25Big Cat:Wrong take. He was like, that's a bad take. You got to clean that up.

2:31:28PFT Commenter:Wrong take. So this is me cleaning that up.

2:31:30Big Cat:I'm so pumped. I'm so pumped. Of course, that's the other reason why a Jet would go there. All right. Now, again, I can continue to live in delusion for a little bit. But I do think that... Bob Chessy is going to be the next coach at Penn State. Somewhere else. Yeah, somewhere else next year. But I hope that he doesn't take the job before the season's over. Yeah. That's all I hope.

2:31:49PFT Commenter:Yeah. Okay. My Firefest. I don't... This is good. You're back. You're back. I don't have one other than I'm just trying desperately to stave off. I feel like I'm like five years in a row getting sick right as Thanksgiving starts. And I thought I had something on Tuesday. Just a little, you know, just a little tummy stinger for about 24 hours where I just was diarrhea everywhere. But that's fine. I'm trying to stave it off. I'm going to just we have a case race. Knock on wood. It'll probably help. Stay a little sleep a little, maybe get a little extra sleep. But yeah, this happened to me. I think pretty much every single year where Thanksgiving week comes and I finally get a break and then I just immediately get sick.

2:32:31Big Cat:I had a little tummy stinger yesterday.

2:32:33PFT Commenter:I think it's going around. Titus had a little tummy stinger too.

2:32:36Big Cat:I chalked mine up to having a salad the other night. That's a problem. My body was like, what's going on?

2:32:40PFT Commenter:Where's, where's the fried last week for with tummy stinger? No, it was just like, I was just full on sick. Yeah. Yeah.

2:32:48Big Cat:It was like one day slept for 20 hours, hydrated, sweated it all out.

2:32:55PFT Commenter:The tummy stinger, I didn't eat for a whole day. It was crazy.

2:32:58Big Cat:That's awesome.

2:33:00PFT Commenter:Yeah, but then I ate so much. I've eaten so much since. As soon as I got my – as soon as I cleared up, I was like, well, now I can eat everything. So it's a problem.

2:33:11Big Cat:Zach. My favorite face this week, a quick one night. I had a misread at my front door the other day. Okay. You guys know like when you first wake up in the morning, you're like half asleep, but you're in bed awake, but you're just kind of like head on the pillow in like flow state between all the way up and like half up. I had a knock in my – It's a dangerous place to be. I agree because you could very well – Go back to sleep. End up back all the way asleep. It's happened many times. I had like a kind of aggressive knock at my front door in that state laying down either Monday or Tuesday morning.

2:33:41Big Cat:So I got up, like shuffled my feet to the front door, looked through the peephole. It's my neighbor or like a woman who lives on the floor, and she looked like visibly like kind of angry. but I've never had an interaction with her, so I read it as like she must have the wrong apartment number. She has to be upset with someone else. And I just went about getting ready for the rest of my morning. But now I'm thinking I should have answered the door to see if she was upset with me, because now I feel like I kind of left something up in the air that I don't know about. Was the bomb alarm going off?

2:34:11Big Cat:What do you mean?

2:34:12PFT Commenter:Don't you have like a bomb alarm? Yeah, the bomb alarm could have been going off. Wait, wouldn't you have known? Yeah. The alarm was going off, I guess. Yeah. So was it maybe waking her up? You think she could hear that? I don't know. It's your neighbor? It's the bomb alarm. Yeah, she's on the floor. She's either right next to me or across next to me. There is something to be said for realizing at some point as an adult, you don't have to answer the door. I do it all the time. Like a package or someone's like, I'm just not going to go to the door.

2:34:45Big Cat:It's kind of nice. Yeah, I just, like, for some reason just assumed she had to have the wrong apartment this early in the morning and just went, took a shower, and came to work. And my best guess is bomb alarm. Yeah, it's probably bomb alarm. Yeah, it sounds like bomb alarm.

2:34:57PFT Commenter:So bomb alarm was going off and you were standing at the door.

2:35:03PFT Commenter:Maybe. Okay. I don't know. I feel like we might need to upgrade the bomb alarm if you don't remember when the bomb alarm was going off. It was like that weird state of half up, half not up. Yeah. I don't know. It's dangerous.

2:35:12Big Cat:Now I keep thinking, like, what if, like, now I don't like the idea of, like, I could have addressed a situation that I just decided to story away from. How long could the bomb alarm have been going off? Oh, I mean, I guess in theory it could go for a while. So in theory it could have been going for, like, five minutes? But it has the snooze up top, so you snooze it. Like, if the bomb goes off and it bombs too early, you just hit the little top button and then it'll turn the vibrator and the noise off. And then you get, like, five minutes to re-bomb.

2:35:43PFT Commenter:You're re-bombing?

2:35:44Big Cat:So how many times do you think you snoozed it that morning? Usually it's like two or three snoozes. But there's no way she could be upset about the re-bomb. It only goes for like a cold. She might be upset about the re-bomb. She might be. How loud is this bomb? What time was it at? Like between 8 and 8.30 is when the first couple alarms go? It's not bad. But if it goes off three times. The thing that I'm thinking of, maybe she like, was she in like work from home clothes? Oh, I don't have that much. Like she could have been on a work call or something and the bomb alarm keeps going off. Yeah. I could see how that would.

2:36:19Big Cat:And if it goes off a third time, then you're like, I got to go do something about this. Like I'm on an important call right now and I just keep hearing bombs. Or if she has like a sleeping baby. Mm-hmm. Also a possibility. She would like the bombs. Could have been a porno situation.

2:36:33PFT Commenter:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh. Heard your bomb.

2:36:35Big Cat:Let me suck your cock.

2:36:36PFT Commenter:Oh. The world's ending? Yeah. I want to find someone. I want to get me a Zach. You got to open that door. I heard that vibrator going, big boy. So we're coming to... Was she hot?

2:36:47Big Cat:She's probably great. She's probably cool.

2:36:49PFT Commenter:She's probably cool.

2:36:54PFT Commenter:I think you're re-bombing too much. So we're coming to the conclusion I might be bad neighbor? Is that where... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's terrible. Probably definitely.

2:37:01Big Cat:So I should like say I should apologize next time I see her. No, but you got to keep bombing. Yeah. We need you here at work. Yeah, it's not negotiable. I have to just take those noise complaints if I get a bomb complaint. Right. Here's what you do. Tomorrow, hit the snooze button three times and re-bomb it a few times and see if she comes over. If she does again, then you could be like, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that my bomb was affecting you. Yeah.

2:37:23PFT Commenter:Oh, would you like to come in and check out my bomb? Make sure you have the chest tattoo out. Mm-hmm.

2:37:28Big Cat:Yeah. I didn't know you went to prison.

2:37:31PFT Commenter:No prison time.

2:37:33Big Cat:So non-prison time.

2:37:36PFT Commenter:Okay. Is this a tiny bit? No incarceration. All right, good show, boys. Numbers. You notice anything different about...

2:37:46Big Cat:No one's even trying to get it.

2:37:47PFT Commenter:Let him press it.

2:37:48Big Cat:33.

2:37:49PFT Commenter:What's different? Oh, there's a... What's in there?

2:37:53Big Cat:What's in there, guys?

2:37:54PFT Commenter:Oh, there's a Hank toy in there.

2:37:56Big Cat:Little Hank.

2:37:57PFT Commenter:Well, now this doesn't count.

2:37:59Big Cat:It's Hank on the shelf. You never know where he's going to be. No, but that's a good point by Big Cat, though. This can't be... We can't count this as an official spin. Why? Because there's a foreign body inside the machine.

2:38:11PFT Commenter:No, no, no, no, no.

2:38:12Big Cat:Let it go. The machine's been hacked.

2:38:14PFT Commenter:All right. I mean, this would be very suspect. Yeah.

2:38:18Big Cat:It's Hank. This has asterisk. Yes. Yes. That's why I said let it go. I'll take 15. 82. 21. 99. 44. 86. I do like to see little Hank just floating in there.

2:38:36PFT Commenter:He looks awesome 34 Look at Lil' Hank Oh

2:38:46PFT Commenter:15 15 Anyone? Anyone?

2:38:49Big Cat:Yeah, that was me It doesn't count, unfortunately Oh, BFD, way to go That's fine I can't get excited about that I don't care I don't care that I got it But that's pretty cool You're just doing it for fun Not really, I've gotten it a bunch of times No, you only got it once No, I mean Well, not twice Yeah, I guess that counts, right, Beams? I got it twice No, it doesn't. That doesn't count because the number came up that I said. No, Hank assisted. But I said the number, and then it came up. Yeah, no, that counts. No. It maybe counts, but I don't. Like, I'm not. Who cares? We'll let Lil' Hank decide.

2:39:18Big Cat:I mean, for everyone else, it doesn't even really matter. Yeah, I got zero joy out of that. But I did pick the correct number, which is kind of crazy. It's that easy. Nope, Hank assisted. I'm this nonchalant about it. Lil' Hank did it. Who put that in there? Wait, so Memes, if you had gotten that, you would have said it was real? We'll never know. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. That was allegations right there. Is that true? I'll take that on the chin, yeah. Zach, no. Don't take anything on the chin. The look on Zach's face made it seem like that was not true. Zach, whose idea was it?

2:39:50Big Cat:I just asked if we thought he could float. I didn't think we were going to leave him in. Zach, who put it in there? Who actually physically? That was me. I put it in. Oh, so it was you. You guys have too much time on there. That was on me. Okay. Okay. I thought he could float. I mean, that's a good promo. That's a great promo. Yeah. BarstowSports.com. Like, I got it. 15. That's pretty crazy.

2:40:08PFT Commenter:Hank on a shelf. It's just very funny to just think of Zach and Beem's, like, you know, at, like, 1 o 'clock today. You should be like, you think Hank could float? That's a good promo. Yeah. We're trying to sell some merch.

2:40:19Big Cat:Black Friday's coming up. That's a very lucky toy. Look at this. Store.BarstowSports.com.

2:40:23PFT Commenter:Yes.

2:40:24Big Cat:Hey, look, Lil Hank. He's right there. Look, Hank. So is Lil Hank 1? Lil Hank hasn't said one word about Lil Hank.

2:40:29PFT Commenter:Lil Hank doesn't like Lil Hank.

2:40:31Big Cat:No, Big Hank doesn't like Little Hank. Big Hank hates Little Hank. It's a fierce rivalry. You got nothing to say? Nothing to say.

2:40:38PFT Commenter:He's passing. Okay, numbers. Three. 33. I like the idea. 34. Passing. 82. 61. I'll go with 50. 86. 99 pick.

2:40:58PFT Commenter:26. 26. 26. Memes trying to rig the lottery ball still has no chance of getting it. Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Congrats on the win, PFT. No, congrats on the win.

2:41:09Big Cat:No, I didn't win. I did pick it, but listen, we can't get excited about that. Hank, a little Hank assisted. I assisted. You need help. It was zero. Just grabbing things on trails. Not a win. I've also gotten before, Memes. Yeah. You've gotten it before. I don't know if you remember that, Memes. This doesn't count. Clearly doesn't count because the rules were officially stated beforehand. And as per the rules, I acknowledge that. And I didn't get it. You've never gotten it. All right, one more. Yeah. Plus, I'll do it again at some point. Does this one count?

2:41:36PFT Commenter:Yeah, this one counts. New numbers, three. Oh, new numbers? Nah, that's fucked up. I'll go back to 15.

2:41:41Big Cat:That's fucked up. I'll do 22. Seven. So I can't do 82? New numbers. 77. 81. 43. 48. 11, bro. You said 48? Yeah. I love 48.

2:42:00PFT Commenter:51 pretty close Closest you ever Gotten

2:42:06Big Cat:I was thinking about picking 52 Same numbers as what I just picked You were thinking about picking 52 The linebacker from the 49ers Patrick

2:42:14PFT Commenter:Wait so you're Even in your Thinking about numbers you don't get it Yeah who's the linebacker on the 49ers No don't

2:42:24Big Cat:Patrick he's gonna try to Willis Will a steak fit in your mouth?

2:42:29PFT Commenter:Oh, you got me. There it is. Good one, memes. That's all you got. That's all I needed. Love you guys. Good one. Love you guys.

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