Tony Romo, Conor McGregor Blows Out His Knee, The World Cup Is All Blue Bloods + Mt Rushmore Of Guys You Want To See Ride A Horse

10:29Big Cat:I don't think he can fight. One last night. Beat the fuck out of that guy. I would love it if he was like, what do you mean he can't fight? Of course he can fight. He's like the best fighter of all time. He did beat the fuck out of the guy. He's the best wrestler of all time. and part of UFC is wrestling. Right, he's the best collegiate wrestler of all time. Yes, 100%. I want him. Max, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. But we're talking future. Future face is sleek. And Paddy. Yeah, and Paddy. The Paddy walkouts every single time. Oh, it's the best. It's the absolute best. He was so amped up walking.

11:00When he starts singing his own song, it's the coolest thing ever.

11:03PFT Commenter:That's where you can actually make the argument that Conor McGregor was 100 % hurt because if you watch him walk out, he did not look like he had the charisma, the fire, the cockiness. It looked like he was kind of trying to put on a face for it. I don't think he was hurt. You don't think he was hurt? What about him taking off the shoe? I'm looking at this. Why would you go to a doctor's office three days before if you're not hurt? Because you get treatment. People get treatment all the time. At a knee specialist? There's probably other things that happen in there. What about Max? What about him taking off his shoe?

11:39Did you see that part? I didn't see this part. This is the most normal walk I've ever seen.

11:44PFT Commenter:Yeah, that's not much of a limp. But Max, you're avoiding the question. I have not seen this shoe. Okay, pull it up because it's the most blatant. Something is very fucked up. He tried to take off his shoe right before going into the ring, and you could see the pain he was in. The little hop that he does. He had to shake his foot.

12:02Big Cat:He's trying not to put weight on one foot. Watch, here it goes.

12:04PFT Commenter:So he's taking off his left foot, left shoe, then right foot, then doesn't put any weight on it. Yeah. And kind of looks down at it. Taking off your shoes like that is tough sometimes. I think this is normal.

12:16Big Cat:I don't know about you, Matt. The second I got the shoe off, I'm putting weight down on that foot. Yeah. Take your shoe off right now. You want me to? Go ahead. Without using your hands. Just did. No, you're standing.

12:27PFT Commenter:Watch, watch. You told me to take my shoe off. No, but. Ready? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's get camera.

12:33Big Cat:All right. He took his shoe off. See, you just did the same thing. No, but he put weight immediately on the foot when the shoe came off. Show tootsies, Hank. My shoe's come off. Let's see those tootsies, Hank.

12:46PFT Commenter:Are you ready? Ready.

12:50Big Cat:That's pretty clean. Okay, that was pretty good. Yeah. It's a weird hop that he does, for sure. It's not a normal hop. Unless he was doing a dance. I don't know what was going on. If the music was playing. I think he was fine.

13:02PFT Commenter:It was a bummer. That's really what it comes to. I mean, the Mohawk is like a big time. Like, how do I distract people from the fact that my knees fall? Oh, definitely. Mohawk. Mohawk and mullet. Those are two haircuts. My eyes are up here. Yeah. Where you're like, I'm trying to get someone to go to look somewhere else. If he's not hurt, he comes out as Connor. He just didn't come out as Connor. Yeah. He had none of it. No. So. Oh, yeah. Here he goes. He's putting on his shoe. Oh, oh. That might be when he heard it. Yeah. That was a pretty violent put on of the shoe. Yeah, it was. By the way, for people who are watching, I'm wearing my Nobles.

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15:21Big Cat:They called him for a penalty when maybe some would say it was kind of more like a love tap that he gave the guy on England. I mean, England was a better team. Wait. Yeah. No, they were. England was a much, much better team. But then there's controversy after the game, too, with the wire. Yeah. The wire that the Skycam runs on. The Norway guys are saying that the ball hit the wire. FIFA is saying that our ball that has a world-class sensor inside that can measure if a bird farts on it did not go off when the ball allegedly hit the wire. So they're saying clean, good goal for England on that one.

15:55Big Cat:But Norway is not going to go down without a fight. But they should. That guy that didn't pass the ball to Holland, give me a break. Holland, you are a one-man team, and that's okay. Although their other guy had an awesome goal later on. But Holland is like the best striker in the world. Give him the ball if he's inside the box, and he's going to figure out a way to score. It's crazy. And a game like that, not passing him the ball is actually insane.

16:16PFT Commenter:Yeah. Spain beat Belgium. I forgot who they beat. So they got us justice because I wanted – I actually wanted Spain to beat them worse. I wanted Spain to beat them by like 6-1 so I could say, hey, we were so far away. It doesn't even matter. But yeah, the wire was crazy. England, now they're in the heartbreak stage. I didn't realize how often – they're basically always in the quarterfinals and they just always lose in the quarterfinals. there and now we have in perfect england fashion where they have like this good vibes everything's going well uh their coach is now beefing with some of their players because their coach said they were not tactically like perfect he didn't love the game and then i think it was jude was jude bellingham who said afterwards he's like dude we just played in like a hundred million degree weather in miami yeah the humidity was soft like suffocating us extra time shut the fuck up yeah the coach interview was was weirdly heated that guy by the way is the most like how is he not british yeah like i saw a picture i was like that's the most british guy i've ever seen he looks like he should be royal family he's like he he's just ugly british but he's not british so

17:30Big Cat:it does this is ultimate heartbreak stage now for england going up against argentina there's so much history with those teams and like the hand of god was against them just when you see these two flags next to each other, you think one, Falkland War, two, you think guaranteed heartbreak for England. Tell me about the Falkland War. You brought it up a few times. I honestly, I know nothing. There's little islands off the coast of Argentina that England laid claim to because England laid claim to every set of little island that was off the coast of every other big country in the world for a time.

18:02Big Cat:Long time. And Argentina was like, we're going to send our navy and we're going to take these islands because they should be ours. And then England was like, well, we're going to try to fight back. and then it was a big thing. And long story short, I guess you could say Argentina won. Didn't they win? Isn't it like in the 80s too? That was when they won in 86? Yeah. I saw like a video that was like as it was happening. And it was more like. And Argentina got their revenge. When it all comes to soccer, it's like you think of the hand of God. So Maradona was playing against England back in 1986.

18:35Big Cat:He had two goals in that game. One, he jumped up in the air, punched the ball over the goalie with his hand. The ref didn't call it. And then later after the game, instead of trying to pretend like it was a good goal, he was like, yeah, no, that was the hand of God that did that. Which rocks to say. And then the other goal that he had was maybe the best goal in the history of soccer where he dribbled through the entirety of the British team and then scored on him at the end. So the countries have a lot of history together. Didn't England piece up Argentina in the Falken Wars? Wasn't Hitler in Argentina?

19:07that's something totally different the video that I saw was like Argentina troops had just gotten fucked up they got smushed but they won the World Cup

19:16Big Cat:so that was their revenge for the Falkland Island War

19:19PFT Commenter:yeah I think they got absolutely bodied yes a lot of Nazis went to South America

19:26Big Cat:but that was World War II

19:27PFT Commenter:yeah we're talking about the Falkland Islands it's not the same thing

19:30Big Cat:no Falkland Island that was in the 1980s Wasn't there a conspiracy that Hitler didn't, he just moved to Argentina?

19:38PFT Commenter:Yes, because there were a bunch of Nazis who moved to. They're not playing Germany. Yeah, Germany has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the Falkland War was Argentina versus England, and England fucked him up. Bad.

19:51Big Cat:Got it. Now, it is interesting that there's a lot of, like, German ancestry in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay. It's also like there's a lot of black players in Brazil. There's no black players that ever play for Argentina. Weird. That is weird. It's very strange.

20:10PFT Commenter:We do have a World Cup semifinal of 1, 2, 3, and 4 ranked. It's basically the, was it 2022 Final Four? Yeah. Yeah. We have the Blue Bloods. We got the Blue Bloods in this one. And the other game was Argentina versus Switzerland, which was controversial, which I don't understand the controversy whatsoever. The red card, it was a yellow card that went against Switzerland for mistaken identity. What's the actual call of it? Well, it was technically mistaken identity.

20:40Big Cat:This is what we talked to Tim Ream about. Yeah. Because he got this call reversed in the first game where the ref just made the wrong call. And he called a foul against Argentina. Then he looked at it again. He was like, oh, mistaken identity. The guy that committed the infraction was actually on Switzerland for diving, for embellishing. that's what happened here that yeah that's exactly so it's not technically mistaken identity but that's what fifa is saying in this world cup it's like yeah we we can allow them to say that it's mistaken identity if they fucked the call i got no problem with it it was an egregious flop and

21:12PFT Commenter:that guy should get a yellow card it was not only an egregious flop but it was an egregious flop nowhere near like i understand if you're trying to flop in the penalty area to get it to get a penalty kick like that would make sense like yeah you gotta take a shot here it was the middle of the field he already had a yellow he it wasn't even there's also flops that i think we all can agree suck in soccer where a guy will get tapped and he will roll around and it's like okay you're trying to sell it get it get it it happens in all sports he wasn't even contacted he wasn't touched when he started his flop right so it's like how is anyone disagreeing that this was supposed to be a yellow card is just people have messy derangement syndrome if anything he flopped Into the other guy.

21:56PFT Commenter:And he committed a foul on it. I thought we were trying to get flopping out of soccer. So then when they get flopping out of the soccer, you can't just be like, oh, well, you should never call it in that spot. Just come out and say, Zach, that you hate Messi and you think it's rigged for him. Which it's not. I don't think it's rigged for Messi whatsoever. You just hate to see 10 versus 11 in a game like this. I liked it. As a Messi guy, I loved it. You wanted to play 11 on 11. So for the VAR to pop up, I'm like, actually, you're out of here. Your country's hopes are gone. You hate to see that.

22:23Big Cat:I didn't hate to see it because I thought it was the right call, and I thought the guy flopped, and I want to get flopping out of soccer.

22:28PFT Commenter:And again, if he had flopped in the penalty area, I would have been like, hey, at least you got to take a shot. He just did it in the middle of nowhere because he just wanted to get the other guy. He wanted to get the other guy in trouble. That's fucking bullshit. So, yeah, it was good soccer, though.

22:42Big Cat:Very good soccer. So, yeah, in this World Cup, we got the 1-2-3-4 seed. Last World Cup, it was 3-4-12-22. Year before that, 3-7-12-20. so you usually do get an underdog at least one big underdog that's in it um i like it these are good these are four soccer flags yeah when you look at these flags next next to each other you think this is about to be a banger of a game and it's actually perfect because if you wanted to

23:06PFT Commenter:make the blue blood argument the two teams that you could say are blue bloods uh that are not here germany and brazil have both been like very disappointing in the last whatever it is three World Cups. So it's like their star is fading.

23:20Big Cat:This is it. What's crazy is that France, before they won the World Cup in 98, I think they were ranked like 20 or 21st. They had never been, I don't think ever a top 10 team in the world. And then they won the World Cup with Zidane and Henri and then they just turned that into, now they're a powerhouse.

23:38PFT Commenter:Yeah.

23:39Big Cat:And so I think we're on a collision course for France and Argentina. Run it back.

23:45PFT Commenter:we have we have spain memes and zach and the king's cup the dk king's cup yamal yamal versus messy yamal versus messi yep he baptized how would you be able to defeat the man that baptized you

23:58Big Cat:no absolutely not absolutely not i don't think you could you can't do that i'd be so fucked up

24:04PFT Commenter:um also they're expanding the world cup to 64 teams jesus yeah well i mean that's what infante

24:12Big Cat:wants to do he wanted to turn it into american sports and he wanted to use this world cup to to learn how we're able to monetize every single facet of our sports and um the fact that it was somebody whispered like hey you know the ncaa tournament they used to do 64 everybody loved that bracket he thought about that and he was like that's a great idea i think i will i'll try to do that because he has to propose something right now people are coming for his ass yeah his ass is in the jackpot with the uh the baligan stuff because all of uef is pissed off about him and it turns out that only one guy on the committee of 18 rule judges that he talked about, there was only one guy that made the decision to reinstate Balogun, and he was the head of the committee, not like the whole 18.

24:56Big Cat:So people are pissed at Infante. So if he wants to keep his job, he's got to show up with a big brown envelope like Sepp Blatter used to.

25:04PFT Commenter:Get some more teams involved.

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26:13PFT Commenter:Other stories we've got. We've got. So NBA Summer League's happening and we had a fight, which was awesome, which we didn't get to watch it. But Bam versus Tyler Hero had a fight. I don't know how much of it was a fight versus everything I've read. It's kind of just Bam maybe bitch slapping Tyler Hero and just being like, you don't want this.

26:35Big Cat:Did Tyler Hero, he had a burner?

26:37PFT Commenter:Is that what we're thinking? He was posting, I think, from his main, like being like, this guy's not that good. So the incident took place at a gym inside the Resorts World Casino in front of Heroes AAU team. Ooh, that's tough. According to multiple sources who witnessed the incident. Bam is probably top of the list of guys I wouldn't want to fuck with. He just feels like he might be the strongest guy in the NBA.

26:59Big Cat:Especially you feel like an idiot if you got punched by somebody named Bam. Oh, there's the full - Yeah, no shit. I should have seen that coming. No, that's AI.

27:07PFT Commenter:Okay, that's AI. That was full video. No, that's AI. Yeah, that's... We got to just make sure.

27:11Big Cat:Yeah, pretty clearly, because that's on the Miami court. Yeah. But also, Summer League's just fun. Did you guys see Caleb Wilson? I did see Summer League. I've been watching a lot of Summer League recently.

27:20PFT Commenter:He's hit seven threes. I like Caleb Wilson. I like the clips coming out of him. He's raw talent. Good, dude. 35 points. Yeah. Summer League's also the number one place. Oh, yeah. Everyone's guy is the best guy of all time. LeBaron Filon's best guy of all time. Did he score 35 points in 33 minutes? I mean, I think he had 17-8. Great highlights. Everyone's got highlights. I love Barron.

27:45Big Cat:I like the fact that the entire Washington Wizards were courtside. I like Anthony Davis, Trey Young. I like the entire squad sitting in the front row. That was cool. The Bances looked awesome, too. Yes, yeah. Darren Peterson's looked awesome. Everyone looks awesome. Tyler Nichol, also very good. Yeah, this is just everyone. I did see that Bam and Mike Tyson had a little conversation. The other day. At the UFC fight? I think I might have been at the UFC fight. Okay. But they were talking to each other. I'm sure Mike Tyson heard about the punch and probably giving some tips. Yeah. If I'm Tyler Hero, I'm saying away.

28:20Big Cat:Also, if that happens in front of your AAU team that you coach, you are no longer the coach of that team, right? You just can't do that anymore.

28:28PFT Commenter:No. Imagine getting knocked out and having your slides fall off.

28:32Big Cat:No. That would fucking suck. No. In front of the whole squad? Yeah. They won't look at you the same way. They're not getting back on defense.

28:39PFT Commenter:And now we're just waiting for LeBron, which if LeBron picks to his next team on Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday, I'm going to say I'm going to give LeBron a big compliment. Say thank you because they're Thursday specifically because I think Thursday might be the deadest day because we have World Cup Tuesday, Wednesday. We have Homer Derby and All-Star Games Monday, Tuesday. LeBron do it Thursday. Give us something.

29:05Big Cat:Do you think he's going to do a video? What format is he going to use? Will it be a breaking news tweet via Shams or someone else? Will it be like a live video that he does on some platform? Will it be an edited video that he puts out?

29:21PFT Commenter:I think it's going to be like a gender reveal, but with a golf ball. And he's going to hit the golf ball, and it's going to be the Cavs colors.

29:27Big Cat:Okay. Burgundy?

29:29PFT Commenter:Yeah, that feels about right for where his head is at right now. Yeah.

29:34Big Cat:Yeah. Yeah, so do it Thursday, LeBron. Maybe just unveil a brand new We Are All Witnesses poster off that one building in Cleveland. That'd be cool.

29:44PFT Commenter:Yeah. That'd be really cool. All right, what other national sports podcast topics? We have an all-star break. Oh, do you guys want a wow stat? Do you want a whoa? That's weird? Yeah. Okay. You ready for this? Max, this is about you, partially. You're shaking your head. You ready? I'm listening. All right. Dylan Cease is the first Blue Jays pitcher to start the All-Star game since Roy Holiday in 2009. Christopher Sanchez is the first Phillies pitcher to start the All-Star game since Roy Holiday in 2011. Yep. Pretty cool. Whoa. Very cool. That's wild. Very cool. Yeah. I'd seen that stat. Very cool stat.

30:21PFT Commenter:How are we feeling about Philly hosting the All-Star week? Great. Philly was a great host for the World Cup. Everyone who visited said it was a great town. Now they're doing it again for the All-Star game. Philly's up. Ryan, I guess they did some other home run derby today. I just saw a bunch of videos of Ryan Howard hitting bombs at Citizens Bank Park, and that was awesome. I wish I could have watched it live. That is cool. It was so sick. Ryan, I mean. The White Sox did one the other day, too. Jose Canseco was in it. Wait, at the ballpark? Yeah. At Guaranteed Rate Field? Yeah. They should do this more often.

30:59It's fun to watch legends just hit bombs.

31:03PFT Commenter:Where is he right there? What? Where's the home plate? Where did they put home plate? At second base? No, don't say that. I mean, Max, are you looking at the same thing that we're looking at? How can you look at this? What are you talking about?

31:19Big Cat:That's a weird field. It's like right in between. Oh, shit, yeah. It's in between the pitchers mound. It looks like the pitcher's mound is second base. He's hitting bombs for second base. To be fair, it's hard to see. But that's tough. I saw it pretty. Like, it's hard to see for them. I saw it instantly. Pretty much the first time I looked at the video. I was like, that's a weird home plate. So quickly. Yeah, he's still hitting. I'm still seeing the ball leave the yard. I mean, he was. He could have been at normal home plate. Yeah, yeah. That would have gone out. You're right. The last one was a tank.

31:46Look at this. Yeah. Yeah, we saw it. Yeah, we saw it. Wait, no, no. Look at the last one. Hold on.

31:52Big Cat:Second base. Oh, look at. I mean, this is a. It's cool. Dude, that thing. That's going out from normal. That does make sense because I was looking at that. Yeah. I was being like, how the fuck did he hit that in the Ashburn Alley? I'm going to go back. I mean, that was in the third deck. I was like, holy shit, he's hitting. Dang. Look at that hilarious tiny little foul pole. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Hand up. I did not give this as good of a look as I should have. But these are way gone. He would have been fine from normal home plate. He would have been fine. That's bullshit they made him do that.

32:25He shouldn't have allowed them to do that. Shout out Nutraful.

32:28Big Cat:Every stage of the grieving process right now, you've heard. Denial, acceptance, bargaining. I'm going to go back. I'm going to watch the Korean Bunt Derby. I love watching those.

32:37PFT Commenter:I think the actual home run line is, is that it? The yellow line right there? Yeah. Well, he was hitting real ones. I know. I know. I know. Listen, I think we got a Barstool After Dark coming up where it's no shame in trying to hit bombs over 200 feet. Absolutely not. It's a lot of fun. Absolutely not. If you ever get a chance to do it, do it. Um, also, uh, uh, Wimbledon, uh, uh, center center center.

33:03Big Cat:Uh, Mickey Mouse wins them all now. Mickey Mouse. What? Uh, Alcaraz wasn't playing. Ah, because remember they were making out. They wanted to make out. Remember that long Instagram story? Well, not AI. It was just, it was central. I got, I got central. It was fiction. Yeah.

33:19PFT Commenter:And did you guys watch any Wimbledon? Nope. Nope. Did not. I think it was on at a bar that I was at the women's final. This morning? Oh.

33:29Big Cat:Yesterday. Yeah. That would have been a... No. It was like 9 a.m. No. I think it was like noon. It was Mickey Mouse and no Alcarez. Basically, if you're watching tennis now, you just want to fast forward to the finals if it's Sinner, Alcarez, and that's all you have to know.

33:45PFT Commenter:Yeah. Okay. Other... Oh. We have... Do you guys want to get mad real quick about a list? A leaked list? Yeah. Okay. Okay, the Madden 99 Club leaked. Here's who's on it. Tell me if you think any of these were incorrect or were you missing anyone? The Madden 99 Club for Madden 27, Miles Garrett, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Trey McBride, Jackson Smith, Najigba, Jamar Chase. Okay.

34:14Big Cat:I can't say I'm mad about. I can't get mad right now. No. We got nine weeks till NFL Sunday, by the way. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that is very cool. I got hard when I saw that today.

34:26PFT Commenter:No, I think that's... I mean, all those guys are... I mean, Trey McBride would be the only one, but he's fucking really good.

34:34Big Cat:Wait. He's awesome. Not that Matt Stafford's a bad player, because he's not, but to be a 99, don't you need... Can you be, like, super slow and be a 99? I think so. Yeah.

34:45PFT Commenter:How does that work? I think you can. Yeah. All the other ratings make up for it. Other attributes. Yeah. Hit on the curve.

34:53Big Cat:Yeah, I can't get mad about this. I did see that Myles Garrett, obviously, he's a Ram right now. And I guess Aaron Donald was working out at the team facility. So it's going to happen.

35:07PFT Commenter:Yeah. And he, Myles Garrett posted on Instagram doing some unpacking, and it was an Aaron Donald signed jersey. Yeah. From when they were, you know, probably when they did a jersey swap. It's going to happen. It's definitely going to happen. It's going to happen. Aaron Donald is going to be a Ram this year, and we're all just going to have to deal with it. And it's going to suck because the Rams are going to be so fucking good. So good. So, so good. Okay. Any other stories that we want to hit before? I mean, All-Star break feels always like, oh, shit, summer's about to hit the button and be like, oh, fuck, it's no longer summer.

35:45PFT Commenter:Yeah.

35:45Big Cat:I mean, that is, it would be very nice of LeBron to take up a new cycle day. Yeah. That would be the best thing that he's done.

35:52PFT Commenter:Yeah, the AL is bullshit this year. Max and I were talking about it. The Cubs and the Phillies have the fourth and fifth best record in all of baseball, and they're both not leading their divisions. Yeah. It's bullshit. Hank, are you noticing? Shane was telling me the Red Sox have been hot. Yeah, I think they won nine in a row. They're still below 500. Are you in the wild card? They're not in the wild card, but they're getting closer.

36:18Big Cat:Half game back. Half game back, and they're below 500. LB season's all-star break. That's when you make a run. Are you buyers or sellers, Hank? Probably sellers. Might be buyers. Don't know.

36:31PFT Commenter:I mean, with the expanded wild card, everyone can be a buyer because everyone can tell themselves that they're right there. It's true. There's a lot of teams that are right there. Yeah, I was talking to memes who does not like to have any conversations that aren't about the Knicks, but the Mets are going to be sellers. And Freddy Peralta, he said, is saving his good stuff for next year. Yeah, for his next team. Freddy Peralta is famously going to be a free agent and trying to make money, big-time money.

37:02Big Cat:So why would he be saving his stuff, Mames?

37:04PFT Commenter:Yeah, save it for his next team.

37:06Big Cat:You get paid more if your stuff's good. I can't explain it. He fucking sucks. Yeah. I imagine he's going to save it when he gets paid. Got it.

37:15PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's been a very good pitcher in Major League Baseball for seven years and made$30 million. I think he wants to be good this year. You're just saying that the way things go,

37:24Big Cat:you can see him dominating as soon as he gets off the Mets. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's different.

37:29PFT Commenter:That's a different conversation. That could definitely.

37:31Big Cat:Can we revisit some of those guys? How do you feel about Pete Alonzo? What were your expectations for Pete Alonzo after he left the Mets versus how he's played? I love Pete, personally. I would have kept him because they didn't have a first baseman for the first three months. that also was just Jorge Polanco got hurt the first week. But I would have kept Pete, definitely. Anybody else? Yeah. I would have kept Pete if I were you. I would have kept Pete. Were you convinced that he was going to dominate after he left? Yeah. He's having a good year. Yeah, he's doing good on the Orioles. Draft him at Dingers only.

38:06PFT Commenter:By the way, Dingers only. Max, you're in last. Big time last. Not big time last. I'm one back. Big time last. Big time last. Big time last. That's as big time last as you can get.

38:19Big Cat:Incorrect. James Wood might just be the best hitter in baseball. He's just fucking insane. And I feel like he does this every early July going into the All-Star break. I hope he doesn't do the Home Run Derby again this year. But for the last week, he's been absolutely nuts.

38:35PFT Commenter:Yeah.

38:36Big Cat:Love that guy.

38:37PFT Commenter:Very good. Okay, let's do who's back of the week. Let's do who's back of the week, and then we'll get to our interview with Tony Romo, which was must listen. And then we'll do our Mount Rushmore on the other side of Tony Romo. Who's back of the week is brought to you by our friends at Twisted Tea. Summer's here and so is Twisted Tea Summer Party Pack. Twisted Tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with real brewed tea and 5 % alcohol. They also have a new summer party pack. It has a brand new Twisted Lemonade. It's a refreshing hard lemonade made with real lemons. It's only available in their new party pack, so grab it while you can, whether you're hanging out at the bar, hitting the lake or beach for a weekend or day drinking with friends.

39:12PFT Commenter:Twisted Tea is there to turn your day up a notch and make a good time a great time. Keep the good times going all day and all summer long. Keep it twisted. Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. Henry. My Who's Back of the Week is insane animal videos that I am pretty sure are real, but are so insane they could be AI. Okay, go on. The first one, 900 snakes, including venomous cobras, escaping into a village from breeding farm after massive flooding in China. So the video is literally just a street flooded, water running down it, and then you can just see 900 snakes in it.

39:48Big Cat:So in that big island of snakes that's floating down the river - It's like the Anaconda videos. I'm like, this is not real. I'm trained to think this is not real, but this one seems to be real. I looked into it a little bit. That island of snakes, those are actually birds that are flying together. But there are snakes. There's a lot of snakes that are in that water. So the ones where they show people catching the snakes afterwards.

40:07PFT Commenter:It's so scary.

40:08Big Cat:So those are, yeah, those are birds. But snakes in there? But then later they show people catching a bunch of snakes out. Those are snakes? And there's a lot of snakes, yeah.

40:16PFT Commenter:Jesus Christ. You got to leave. Never come back. Yeah. And then the second one was at Yellowstone National Park. A huge bison. Unbelievable video. There's two tourists. They see the bison from like 20 feet away. And then the bison turns, starts charging the guy. The guy's like 60 plus years old. Yeah. They're like, he's trying to hide behind a tree. The bison's hunting him down. and then he just launches them like 20 feet in the air. It was jackass. Yeah. It was incredible jackass. The guy, you got to, I don't know what his move, I mean, he had no chance. First of all.

40:53Big Cat:I hope the guy's okay. Second of all.

40:55PFT Commenter:Oh, I don't think so. I think he's in serious condition.

40:57Big Cat:I mean, the suspenders are a very funny detail.

41:00PFT Commenter:Yeah. I mean, the poor guy had no, he just didn't have the fast twitch to get away from that bison. Yeah. Also, his old lady, is that a Ryan Fitzpatrick Dolphins jersey? It's got to be, right?

41:12Big Cat:I think so. Minka?

41:15PFT Commenter:Quinn Ewers? Maybe she's a Quinn Ewers. 14. Yeah, it's Fitzpatrick or Quinn Ewers. Potentially. It's got to be Fitzpatrick. Got to be. Or Jarvis Landry, I guess it could be. It's got to be Quinn Ewers. That would actually be very funny if it was Quinn Ewers. That's definitely. Unreal video. Yeah. I hope this guy's okay, too. I don't know if we've got an update. I mean, if you survive that, that's an all-time, like, hey, you want to see a cool video? I got hit by a bison. Yeah. I got fucking trucked by a bison.

41:46Big Cat:Yeah. Just don't... Never take a picture of an animal.

41:49PFT Commenter:And he went cartoonishly, like... Ragdoll. Oh, I think the running the bulls was this weekend. And I actually know that because I think some person got gored in the face, and I'm trying to find the picture. I couldn't find it. Because that's one where I always root for the bulls. so i have no problem looking that shit up yeah you know what you're doing when you yeah yeah i got no problem rooting for the bulls in that one he went fucking flying oh man somehow the shoes stayed on yeah probably nobles yeah good point yeah also dak prascott back yeah he's looking pretty huge jacked huge at the ufc huge yeah he's with bus with the boys.

42:33I mean, it's, I thought it was fake. They do like fake pictures and stuff where they like beef themselves up. I thought it was one of those or it was like a guy that looked like Doc Prescott type of thing.

42:42Big Cat:Yeah. But that, his arms are massive. He does, he looks like he's been doing a lot of, just like curls.

42:48PFT Commenter:He looks like he's a guy who doesn't want to lose another fight in a Panama Beach, you know, party. And he just broke up with his fiance.

42:55Big Cat:Oh, that's what it is.

42:56PFT Commenter:Did they get back together? I thought they got back together. I don't know.

42:59Big Cat:I think, I think Hank's right. Those are single arms. that's the muscle you build up if you're on the market again he might be too big to throw a football that's what I'm saying I've never seen a quarterback a good quarterback this can't be a real photo they altered this there's one thing I know about quarterbacks you want your quarterback to have almost abnormally skinny elbows and arms

43:22PFT Commenter:yeah his friend is wearing a shirt that just says cocaine that's very funny yep

43:30Big Cat:wait that might Could that be Taylor's friend? That's a very funny.

43:37PFT Commenter:That's a proud church. Just walk around with. What the fuck? Okay. Can you zoom in on it? I think that's what it says, right? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, that just says cocaine.

43:57Big Cat:Is it Coke love cocaine? Yeah, I don't know.

44:02PFT Commenter:Might not be Dak's friend. He's just standing next to Dak.

44:05Big Cat:Yeah. It'd be very funny if that guy just followed around Dak. Every picture of Dak has a guy wearing the cocaine shirt behind him. Okay. Any others? That was good who's back, Hank. Good who's back, Hank. That was really good who's back. My first who's back is Artificial Turf at Foxborough and all the other stadiums that are taking part in the World Cup. Also, the picture of the year. That was probably your next one. Which one? Erling Holland, one of his goals at Fox Bar with the lighthouse in the background. Oh, no, I did not notice that. I didn't notice it because the lighthouse is so freakishly small.

44:43Big Cat:But no, they redid all the artificial turf, all the stadiums that got replaced with grass. It's such a slap in the face to every player that plays on the stadiums where it's like, yeah, they could put grass down for a month if they really wanted to. But the second that the money making is out of town, they're just going to put that shit back on. Yeah. Max, you just searched lighthouse at first. I did Holland lighthouse. Go to his Twitter. It's his Twitter?

45:14PFT Commenter:Yeah. No, it's crazy. We can't figure it out. It sucks. Oh, okay. Don't see any lighthouses. He just passed it. Okay. That's not. Where's the lighthouse? No lighthouse. Oh, all right. That's cool.

45:28Big Cat:Is that what the lighthouse looks like?

45:31PFT Commenter:It actually looks like... No, you know, it looks like a... Oh. It looks like an air traffic control tower. It does, yeah. That's not a good thing. Same purpose. That's not a good thing. Both of those things serve the same purpose. It's not at all. Lighthouses definitely don't do anything with airplanes. Guiding vehicles. Once for boats, once for airplanes. They serve the same purpose.

45:54Big Cat:My other who's back of the week is... No, air traffic... No. Teachers, flight instructors. Did you guys see the story about the person that just jumped out of the plane? Yeah. It was like, hey, the controls are yours. Yeah. Good luck landing this. Honestly, kind of a great teacher move. Mm-hmm. Throw them in the fire. Agreed. Put them in the deep end, see if they can swim.

46:12PFT Commenter:Mm-hmm.

46:13Big Cat:And she landed the plane. What are you making that face for, Max? I mean, the person killed himself.

46:17PFT Commenter:Yeah, no.

46:17Big Cat:But also great teacher.

46:18PFT Commenter:You actually don't know that. We just saw the guy who got smoked by a buffalo. Yeah. He's probably dead. Yeah. That guy's not dead. We just, we don't know that. we just know that he jumped out.

46:29Big Cat:Yeah. 6 ,000 feet. Also, Max is an Argentinian guy, I think. You probably think he was a Nazi. He wasn't an Argentinian? I don't know. Was it an Argentinian? I don't know.

46:40PFT Commenter:That's news to me. I would simply ask the question if Hitler went to Argentina. While your team's in the World Cup? Where'd you get the Argentina part? I might have made it up. Oh, no.

46:52Big Cat:It was in Argentina.

46:53PFT Commenter:Oh, it was. Okay.

46:55Big Cat:Yeah.

46:56PFT Commenter:and it was uh yeah the i mean credit to the woman who landed the plane yeah 22 year old

47:01Big Cat:insane the guy looked at her he goes you know what you have to do carry on and then he took off his headset and phone unclipped his seat belt opened the aircraft door and jumped out now i think we should also wait till all the facts come out about this i'd agree that's after reading it once more through and thinking what other fat backs i don't know he was pushed out

47:26PFT Commenter:kind of a weird move yeah i would say very weird move to jump out of an airplane yeah

47:32Big Cat:6 000 feet in the air but i guess we'll find out more uh okay but great hey great teacher

47:39PFT Commenter:yeah great teacher great well was was a great teacher yeah do you have any others uh punk if

47:47Big Cat:If you're in Pawtucket, Rhode Island tonight, come on out. The Met is the name of the bar we're playing at in conjunction with Barstool Classic. So myself, Frankie, Robbie, Caroline, Roan, Nick, we're all going to be out there playing for about two hours, I think, starting at eight. So if you're in Pawtucket, I'm going to be there Monday night. I'm actually on my way there right now. If you're listening to the sound of my voice. Nice. Never been to Pawtucket before. I hear it's lovely. Love that. Good luck.

48:14PFT Commenter:Thank you. All right. My who's back. Back of the week, I got a couple as well. First is friend of the program, all-time AWL, Marty Fish, for winning the American Century Championship. Dominant fashion. Marty Fish, we had him on the show last year. He's an awesome dude. Just like one of those guys that everyone wants to be friends with. He's the nicest guy. He might have, like, sneaky top 10 life going because he is – we go to this American Century Championship every year, and thank you so much to everyone who hosts us there and lets us use the space and get some great interviews. We love the Tahoe.

48:51PFT Commenter:We love the tournament, everything. Every single athlete wants to play golf with Marty Fish. Yeah. He is like the bell of the ball because he's so good at golf and he's such a great dude. He's got it made. Like Steph Curry just wants to go play with Marty Fish. I saw people that were like, oh, yeah, I played with Marty Fish today. It was awesome because Marty Fish is awesome. So golf game can get you far.

49:13Big Cat:How close is he to being pro level, Hank? I mean, they talked to him. You talked to him about it last year. He said when he was a kid, if he had not chosen tennis and chosen golf, maybe he could have eventually gotten there. So we got the white lab coat. I think that's a new addition this year. And he's what? Is he four times he's won it? Three times. So 2020, 2024, 2026. Decent. Unbelievable.

49:39PFT Commenter:Yeah, and he dominated today. So, yeah, he was awesome. Yeah, Romo finished, what did he finish, sixth? Yep. And Joe Pavelski, Steph Curry were rounded out the top three.

49:52Big Cat:Let's see, yeah, Steph Curry. And then Del Curry had a good showing, too.

49:57PFT Commenter:Yeah. Another Marty Fish fun fact, he has free Wimbledon tickets for life now. Why? He finished, he made it to the quarterfinals in his playing career, so he just gets free Wimbledon. That's awesome. That does rock. Yeah. I'm telling you, he was telling a story because we were hanging out with him this week and he was just like, yeah, I golf with that guy, I golf with that guy, I golf with that guy. He's just, everyone wants to golf with him because he's the man. He's not only great at golf, but he's also the man. So congrats to him. My other who's back. Who came in last? Miles Teller withdrew John O 'Hurley, who is I believe, is that Peterman?

50:31PFT Commenter:Yeah, it's Peterman from Seinfeld. Yeah. Sorry, John O 'Hurley. You stink, dude.

50:36Big Cat:Hey, congrats to Rich Eisen, though, for not coming last. Yeah, you beat John O 'Hurley.

50:41PFT Commenter:John O 'Hurley got great hair. So what would you rather have? If you're 71 years old, you have a great hair, great golf game. I think you'd rather have great hair. Yeah. 71. So that's just a nice spin zone for John O 'Hurley. My other who's back is James Dolan because they have leaked the labels for the VIPs at MSG. Did you see this, Memes? See some of the people? I did not. I'll just run through a few Zach tell me if you recognize any of these people Boogie with the Hoodie is high risk He's a famous rapper yes Okay Adam Pauly do not host I don't know why that happened Low risk for Ben Stiller For Benson Boone DaBaby got a high risk Emily Green got a LGBTQIA This is just They're just like that person's gay They're just like gay Yeah, gay.

51:38PFT Commenter:I think Ricky Martin also got gay. And then Lil T.J. banned from MSG. He has a list of like 40 ,000 people. I love that Ricky Martin was on the list and it just says gay. Yeah, 400 celebrities. And he's got a 40 ,000 person VIP database. So high risk, low risk, no risk, gay. I love it. Those are the tags he's got on. And my last who's back is the 50-50 raffle because on Monday, not this Monday, but July 20th, I am getting my big check at Wrigley. And on top of that, if you are in the Chicago area, you want to go to a Cubs game, I've convinced the Cubs in honor of my big check day for winning the 50-50 for a one-day only, we're running a 51-49 raffle.

52:33PFT Commenter:So 51 to the winner. I initially said, can we just do like a 99 one? And they're like, I don't think so. But I was like, you know what? I'll settle for 51-49. I'm also going to be selling some tickets. Maybe even Zach will be selling some tickets too. So if you're going to the Cubs game, you can buy them online as well. 49 is going to charity. 51 is going to the winner. It's going to be a one-day raffle. So if you're thinking about, you can buy them online, buy them in person. It's going to be awesome. Let's get the pot up nice and large. I'm going to be obviously buying a lot, trying to win on my own day.

53:03PFT Commenter:But 50-50 raffle's back. Gobs5050.com if you want to buy it on Monday. It's a one-day raffle. It's not going to be a rollover. One winner. Love that. End of the game. 51-49. Zach, you're who's back. I've got two quick who's back this week. First one's going to be Tempe Rays. Do you guys see the renderings that came out for the new Forever Home in 2029? When you say Forever Home, it seems like they're being put down. Oh, they're not getting put down. Just new stadium that they say they may stay in forever. Okay. They may stay in forever. They did call it a forever home. It does sound more like an end of your days type situation.

53:34You're right. Shout out to Evan Longoria.

53:36PFT Commenter:He got his number retired. Oh, big shout out to Evan. All right, so this is the new. Yeah, he's got like 60 % windows all the way through. Oh, this is pretty cool. That's nice, yeah. You get to be outside but not have to deal with being outside. There's a tank? There's an aquarium? It's an upgraded Stingray touch tank, yes. Hell yeah.

53:52Big Cat:Oh, that rocks. One thing I love about these stadium renderings is when they show the hypothetical score of the hypothetical game in the backgrounds of the Easter egg. Why do they have the Rays beating the Cubs? 7-1. Don't you guys have rivals? You just pick somebody neutral? Yeah, no, you can't do a neutral thing. You got to go after whoever your biggest rival is. Who would the Rays say is their biggest rival? Yankees? Probably the dugout. It might be the Yankees, yeah. That would probably count. But then the Yankees would just be like, we don't think about you at all.

54:25PFT Commenter:Okay, but on the flip side, PFT, It looks like I didn't go through scour the renderings. But remember, I think the Rays released a rendering last year or the year before, and they accidentally put a Wander Franco jersey in it.

54:38Big Cat:That's true. Yeah. So they got that out.

54:40PFT Commenter:They've done that better.

54:42Big Cat:They got that out. They should. I mean, what is Tampa known for? Big tits. Yeah. Steroids. Yeah. Wrestlers. Yeah. There should be like a WWE slash strip club section. Yeah. In this rendering. That would be cool.

54:57PFT Commenter:Yeah. That would be really cool. All right, cool stadium. And they're moving it to West Shore, so they're getting out of St. Pete. I don't take the bridge anymore. Oh. How far away are you from Tampa Bay? From Tampa Bay, probably 35 minutes east. So now how far are you from this stadium? It's West Shore, probably like, if it's a game day, probably 45 minutes, 50 minutes. Oh, so they went away from you. Well, they went closer, but on game day. Like, to get there, usually 35 minutes. But maybe if there's traffic because of a game, extra 15, extra 10. Got it. But they were all the way west because you'd have to, in Tampa, you take the bridge to get into St.

55:30Pete. So now they're like, all right, let's not do that. Let's go to West Shore. So they moved more east. Got it. It'd be like an hour 10 if we were going to the drop. They moved more east, but they're on the West Shore. Yes.

55:41PFT Commenter:Got it. All right, good for the race. And then, yeah, honestly, it looks pretty cool. 2029, coming up soon. Are you going to get into baseball? I mean, they're top of the AL East right now. I know you guys said that doesn't really count for much, but. No, it counts, but I'm saying you're not a big baseball guy. I thought about getting in. Yeah, okay, so you're not. The ABS got me. The pitch count got me a couple years ago. The ABS got me this year a little bit. You like the technology. Playoff. Playoff baseball is the best. There's just a lot of games. Like, there's so many games, guys. But I'm thinking about.

56:11PFT Commenter:You're an October guy. I'm playing with it. I like you just because I think we had this exact conversation two months ago when I took you to your first Cubs game, and I was like, are you a baseball guy? You're like, I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I'm still thinking. That was a good day. I mean, that was a big swing. It was one day. Just thinking about it. Okay. And then the second one is streaming. We've got streams coming up this week. So it's going to be Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah, so Thursday I'm playing. Monday, Wednesday you're playing, right? Yes, sir. Thursday I'm playing with you.

56:37PFT Commenter:That's correct. We're going to get some Doug streams going. Hopefully some Doug wins on Thursday. Thursday after the act. Wednesday, Thursday will be Doug's dreams. Wednesday, Thursday. Okay. So Wednesday after the act, Thursday after the act? Okay. What are you going to play tomorrow? I don't know. What's the new version? FC? Some FC 26 games. Try to see if we can get who's going to win the World Cup. That's fun. Going head to head. Yes, sir. Should be a good time. Love that.

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59:50PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. We are here at the American Century Championship. It is Tony Romo, who is maybe going to win this tournament. Should we start with the golf? We got a lot to get to. I'm very excited that you're here. I'm excited to be here. You guys kill it. So the joy you provide me and all the other reckless friends I have, it's fantastic. Okay, well then let's start with that. The joy we provide you and your friends, do they ever text you being like, hey, they're bashing Tony again? Like they're doing the noises? Because we do do the noises. I'm okay with it.

1:00:25You know the noises. It's been a long time since I've taken offense to people.

1:00:30PFT Commenter:I love that. See, this is a win right now, like right away. Well, I was going to say, what's your favorite noise? I think what I get most of the time, like out here this week, it'll be, here we go, Jim. I hear that one a lot. That's probably the number one. What about the, I don't know, Jim. You know what's funny? Those are just so natural at the time. I'm trying to work them out, but I'm like, meh, it's me. Yeah. You just got to be yourself.

1:00:54Big Cat:I also think that if you put a microphone on most of us as we're watching the game and they show the replay, we go, it's hard. It does sound like you're squeezing. You're like, you don't really know. Yeah.

1:01:06PFT Commenter:We've been lucky enough to, at Barstool, we had a college football bowl game and we called a couple basketball games. And so I did, I was on the call. I was horrendous at it. Like absolutely horrendous to be able to have to fill air, to have to be interesting. So, and we're - Well, you know how fast it goes. Yeah. And we're, we definitely, uh, you know, are guilty as charged. We are very critical of our announcers and what we watch on Sunday, but I also know that it's got, I mean, there's only so many good ones. Come on. Do you ever, do you ever like, uh, so you, do you look at any of the feedback ever?

1:01:42PFT Commenter:Or are you like, Oh shit, I fucked that one up. No, I mean, you're on air, you know, this like, since you've done it like live for three, three and a half hours every week, it's like, you're going to do something probably right. I mean, we do more right than wrong. Otherwise, you wouldn't be in the position you're in. But I think like anything, you're always going to do something wrong. I just always want at the back of your brain, you're literally thinking about you guys watching at home. And it's like, what would I want? Like, sometimes they don't talk about something. I'm like, tell me. Tell me about that thing.

1:02:10Do you like it? Was that a catch? Was that not? Was the imbalance? What do you think? And it's like and then deeper than that, it goes into I want to teach. and I think that's one of the biggest things was just I want people to understand why because there's so much of that that goes into it like why did they make this decision why did they run the ball on fourth and two well because the numbers in the box and blah blah blah or because I mean there's a million things that go into the permutations but I just feel like that's what people want and the more people I talk to who love it and everything it's like I mean there's a gazillion people come up to you and they like it so it's it's been a really rewarding experience Yeah.

1:02:47Big Cat:Yeah. Is there one fan base that you truly hate more than others? Because I think every fan base probably thinks that you hate them, right? I don't know. I feel like they all love me when I come in there. There's a lot of fans that like go nuts and stuff. And so for me, I'm just, I want to build up the game and the players. I know how hard it is to make it there. I remember one of my kids one time being like, oh man, he stinks. So I'm like, son, do you know that guy who's the fourth string cornerback? How good that guy is? He was the best player ever at his high school. And one of the best players ever at his college.

1:03:24I'm like, he's unbelievable. It's just he's in a tough spot because he's guarding Tyreek Hill from the slot. I'm like, that's a very different experience. But I'm like, don't say that.

1:03:34PFT Commenter:I mean, we joke about it all the time. Like, we'll call a guy soft while we're sitting on the couch for 12 hours eating, you know, chicken wings and eating ice cream. you're like wow how's he not back in the game yeah well you know this you guys you watch enough games though this is where people sometimes are like well you're not an expert i'm like well if you watch anything long enough and you want to know the game you start to learn it faster and so you guys have a good enough ability which is why you guys are successful too because if you guys talked about a bunch of crap that's terrible then people probably wouldn't love it so you get to know the game and then you're like well someone might not be giving them max effort i mean that's one of the biggest things you know in the nfl college wherever and even high school the same way is like is he giving max effort is he putting himself on the line because that's part of it you got to be able to do that over and over and over again yeah i was mentioning like which fan base

1:04:24Big Cat:do you think hates you or you hate the most because joe buck when he came on the show the first time that was like his reputation was like every fan base thought joe buck had it out for him because And it's usually a team that's not very good, and you blame your losses on the guy that's announcing the game. Do you ever get that? Yeah, we totally have a huge effect. Yeah, like if a team that – Well, you do.

1:04:44PFT Commenter:No. Hold on. On the kicks. I don't know, Tony. I didn't like the sarcasm. I do joke with Jim about that a lot. I'm like, oh, you did that, Jim. You just said he has not missed a kick this year. Yeah. Here we go. Cross your fingers, Jim. Yeah. That matters.

1:05:01Big Cat:I also love any time a kicker misses, the go-to analysis is like comparing it to a golf swing that you had one time. What is it? That looks like my 9-iron 7. Well, Jim does that because he knows I had a couple of the chipping yips last year. And he's like, that looks like you're chipping there. And I'm like, but he missed it. Yeah, that actually is true. He did. He fatted that one. Yeah, the young way coup kick that you just didn't hit the ball. You do want to kick the ball first. That's actually very good analysis. That's one of the things I've learned over the years. Golf ball, the football.

1:05:30Yeah.

1:05:30PFT Commenter:So we're going to talk about your football career, but one last question about your broadcasting. Like you came in, you were, you know, when you're predicting the plays and you're hot out of the gates and it's like, oh man, this is crazy. Have you had to adjust now that you've been out of the league for a few years where it's like, I got to relearn some things or how, like, how does that process where it's like, you got to try to figure out how to these new players, these new schemes, how that all works. Yeah. Football's pretty, once you've done it, your whole life and studied the way I have, I don't think you're going to see anything new.

1:06:04If you see a new play, they're utilizing something different where they pulled the tackle instead of the guard. But it's 11 people on offense. Only five guys can catch a ball. Five guys have to block. It's got to be tipped before they can catch so you can eliminate them, right? So you have five skill position players. The running back will say tight end, three wide receivers, 11 personnel. And you sit there, which is one and one, and then you got three receivers. Running back, tight end, three receivers. That's 11 personnel. Then you sit there and you go, well, the quarterback could technically catch if you did Philly special, let's say.

1:06:36But ultimately, there's five guys who can catch it. Four guys are rushing on average. That means there's seven guys behind them that are guarding five. There's only so many ways to do that. So at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is give you a look here. So go over here so we can go over there. So if all the defense wants to go on this side, like, hey, there's seven guys. If four of them are on this side of the ball let's throw it to the three guy side right if four of them go over here let's throw it to the three man side and then if they're all deep let's throw it short if they're all shorter let's throw it deeper i mean the game is not rocket science but when you first start in the nfl it does feel like but over it feels like a gazillion years you start to understand the game is very simple at its core so there's not like a whole bunch of new brand new stuff coming yeah i

1:07:23Big Cat:would agree that that there's only so much that you can see i do think though that the nfl has trends that, you know, it ebbs and flows in different directions. And so like the pendulum does start to swing after a bit, whether it's forced by like the rule changes or it's just the nature of how teams are starting to prepare against other teams. So like what have you seen since you've gotten into the league? Like what direction has like what new trends do you think have become the new? Yeah. It's a great question. So there's been multiple over the years. So the first thing would be, let's pretend you're the Patriots in 2003, four, eight.

1:08:01They're dominating. They're winning Super Bowls. Everyone's going to try and copy you, how you draft, what you're building, because you're winning. You're beating them. Then the Seahawks have the best defense, 11, 12-ish, I think they came on, and then boom. So everyone hired their coordinators. They decided we can just play cover three and just decided. I remember going against them being like this. You're just going to play one coverage, 90 % of the game. That has no chance. Then I went into Seattle, I think it was 12, and I was like, wow, they're really good and they can actually do it. What you found, though, is they changed the rules of cover three.

1:08:37Everything that we had understood about it, they changed the rules for the players on defense. The league ended up figuring that out after three or four years, maybe two or three, and then all of a sudden when you tried to do it, then all of a sudden people took advantage of that. And so the trends go with the times of who's winning. So whoever's winning, you want to go ahead and copy that. Your job as a head coach, general manager, is to be ahead of the curve and understand, if I'm the Patriots in the early 2000s, and we were a 3-4 defense, and the whole league starts drafting the big defensive tackle, Vince Wilfork, right there in the middle, our job now is to be like, we're going to go take that guy.

1:09:14Well, if you're drafting 28 to 32 every year, we're going to go ahead and change to a 4-3 and get the fast three technique defensive tackle and change our system. That's what the best teams do. They basically evolve because you're not going to get the top three Vince Wilforks coming out of the draft, but you'll get the top one or two of the other guys. And so there's only so many organizations that are ahead of the curve like that. You see it play out that way year in, year out.

1:09:37PFT Commenter:Yeah. What are the organizations in your mind that are like doing it at that type of level? Well, I think you see them. They're always in the mix. Yeah. So, I mean, that kind of plays out that way. And then you can change it, though. it just takes a hire. It takes one guy to come in and teach the stuff I'm talking about and teach the organization, hire the right people, and all of a sudden you'll find that things will flow the right way. And a good example would be with the Giants. They hired John Harbaugh. That's going to change, and they're going to get good soon. Now, next year we'll see, but I'm telling you, when someone knows the game the way he does, been around him a gazillion times, it's just he knows how to build something and we always talk about culture all these other things but I'm like well x's nose matter who you hire matters tremendously whether it's the coordinator the position coach and then who you draft well if you get those guys and it's all aligned you're going to find your team to be good but you have to have that vision beforehand you got to build something from the ground up but you already have to know the structure of what you're trying to build most people come in and there's going to be them and i'm like no no this didn't take shape

1:10:46Big Cat:well before we started the offseason right yeah right and you came into a an interesting culture when you got when you uh joined the nfl so with bill parcells sean payton i don't know if you saw the stories about sean payton that came out over the last couple days i haven't so it's it's fascinating stuff so after he got hired as broncos head coach he had an idea that he would hire bill Belichick to come in and be the head coach and he would take a step back to be offensive coordinator at least until Bill could get like the 15 wins and then Sean Payton would retake over the team it's a real idea that he had he also had an idea in the playoff game against the Bills last year to go for it on that fourth and 11 and do a fake punt in overtime from their own territory the players said no fuck that we're gonna punt the ball because we're not insane so Sean Sean is like he's kind of a crazy guy he's always had like wild ideas and that's the environment that you kind of get tossed into right was he always that nuts even back then like in a good way like he's obviously a football genius but also he's fucking insane well yeah when i came into the nfl sean was our uh quarterback coach maurice carthon was our offensive coordinator at the time but uh Sean ended up calling plays and I got to know him really close and so I still know Sean you know at this point really we're really close I just feel like Bill Parcells is kind of the standard for the way that we think in a lot of ways he taught me and Sean so much about the game that your standard model kind of goes back to that and everyone has to have that right this is like what we believe in and uh i feel like sean is you know when bo nicks got hurt before the championship game conference championship game he comes into the meeting room i think you read it probably i'm guessing they put it in an article you're saying it was an article or a video but i bet they talked about at some point where he comes in i guarantee it came from parcells where he says i'm not worried about steady i'm worried about the rest of you guys and i'm like well parcells did that in the 80s or 90 90s with jeff hostetler right and i'm like this is just what you believe in and then you start to follow this uh some people might say it's a little bit what'd you call it nuts or whatever he's crazy fucking insane yeah insane but there's a method to his madness and energy matters he brings it every day i think he's very intelligent i think the other part that people won't fully understand is that you're taking the data from your players consistently.

1:13:25If you don't, then you're not really that good of a coach because they're on the field, especially if you have a veteran. Anybody who's been through it. If I ask Zach Martin, and he's in, let's pretend, year eight, and I'm sitting there who's one of the best guards in NFL history, which I didn't play with him at the time because I only got him for a year or two. But if I asked him, I'd be like, hey, are they running stunts or what are they doing over there while they're doing this and blah, blah, blah, I'd be an idiot as a coach not to listen to him. So the idea is I think Sean probably takes part of that advice, but you're not deciding I'm going to do it because they said that.

1:14:02You just take it into your bank and your brain and you sit there and you go, all right, I'll take that into account and then I'll do the deductive reasoning and then this is what I'm going to do. But I think you'd rather have a Sean Payton than a lot of other coaches, I can tell you that.

1:14:15Big Cat:Yeah, no, I mean, all credit to him. He's proven to be an awesome coach. He just has insane ideas. Like the onside kick in the Super Bowl. I think he's very honest when he talks to the media. And I think a lot of people aren't. And so, I mean, I think a lot of people try and hold it close to the vest. And so I think it's appreciative if I wasn't your guys' show. Oh, no, I love the guy. But, like, I'm just saying, like, the aggressiveness sometimes. He's just always full gas. The onside kick in the Super Bowl, another example of, like, he will go for it when a lot of other coaches might be too afraid to do that.

1:14:42Big Cat:They might be afraid, yeah. He's not scared of the Monday morning quarterback, what people are going to say.

1:14:47PFT Commenter:No. Yeah, which actually is like a huge test because I feel like there's a lot of coaches that are looking over their shoulder. It's the coaches that have the security of like, hey, I know I'm not getting fired. I can just coach whatever the best is for this situation. Well, I think you're more aggressive when you're actually safe. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you have skins on the wall, then you're like, I'm not getting fired. Right. But not everybody has that. I mean, think about all the turnover on the coaches in the NFL the last two, three years. It's crazy. But at the same time, I'm like, those guys are going to risk and be like, if it works, you're a hero.

1:15:25If it doesn't, you're the reason we lost. Right. And I'm like, you got to have the guts. You got to go, you know, the old play to win the game. Yeah.

1:15:34PFT Commenter:Yeah. Like, that's a true thing. But not everyone really does that. Yeah. So you're the start of your career. You're with Sean Payton. You're with Bill Parcells at the Cowboys. You're not like a first round draft pick. you're not this heralded guy yeah so close to that almost drafted was there was there a moment though where you're uh you're like hey i actually belong and i think i can do this and i think this is actually i'm going to be able to stick i'm not just here to be a backup forever and and hope to hang on on rosters and training camps like i can do this that's a good question i think question I haven't said it many times, or ever maybe, but I remember everyone told me, because I was undrafted coming out of Eastern Illinois, and I come into OTAs, rookie camp, and then you go to OTAs where the veterans come in, and we're all there, and there's a dig route on my right, which is about a 15 to 17-yard route by the outside receiver.

1:16:31We'll call it a single, three by one. So three guys draw a line through the ball. Three receivers over here. Remember, five guys can catch the ball. Three are on that side. One's over there, and then there's a running back here. So three by one, we call it. He's going to run a dig route 15 to 17 yards. Well, you're going to have a linebacker in cover two. Running back's going to go up about four yards, stand there. And that linebacker in cover two, he has hooked a curl area. So he's got to go here to here. He's either going to come down and take the running back, or he's going to stay back on the dig.

1:17:01And I remember he kind of hung there for a while. and I'm like, that window's wide open. But I got to move him. And this is like the third pass I've done in team, 11 on 11. And I drop back and I'm looking. So I go like this to pretend to throw the running back and he moves and I throw it. It was perfect timing. It was so well executed other than the five yards I overthrew the receiver. But everything else was so beautiful. But I remember going back in and I was so disappointed with the throw because I did that, but I had not worked on the footwork, the technique, to be able to move that and then throw there.

1:17:37And then all of a sudden I go back and look, and the other quarterbacks waited until he was almost past them. Then they threw it, or the next guy's going to get close. I threw it about four yards before, right after the cut. So I was letting go. It was natural to me. So I always feel like, and I tell my kids sometimes, I'm like, that was just given to me. The Lord gifted me with the ability just to see it faster. But I was a horrendous thrower of the football. And that's why I would miss all these things when I was young. And then eventually I got really good at throwing. But that was the first time I went.

1:18:16I did throw that when I felt like it was on time. But everyone told me the game's so fast, but it didn't feel fast for me. Yeah. And that's what made me feel like, I think I can do this.

1:18:25PFT Commenter:Wow. So it was actually an incompletion that was like. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was a horrendous incompletion. Yeah. But yeah, throwing a guy open. Like we hear it all the time. Like those are the best quarterbacks. So that was the moment where you're like, oh, I actually belong. Was there a moment then after that where your coaches were like, hey, this guy actually belongs? There's a couple of huge moments in my career. I think one of the biggest ones that, you know, I know not many people do, but is Seattle preseason game going into my fourth year. Now I'm going into it's like going to college, right?

1:18:59year one freshman sophomore junior senior year I'm going into my fourth year and I still have yet to play like a down and I've been improving and throwing the ball better and my instincts will eventually carry me a little bit with the you know ability to throw a football and then all of a sudden the knowledge that's where you can become good when they all meet but they started me in a preseason game which is rare and drew blood so who's a great quarterback number one draft pick and he could throw football incredibly well he's there and they said hey we're gonna start tony in the first or second preseason game at seattle where all the starters are playing and that was huge and i remember going like okay you know right then as an undrafted free agent you don't get 10 chances at this you get one maybe two and so that was my opportunity and you know Seattle's really loud and I went out there and my kids put up the game probably last year or something they're like dad this is the first time you started in the preseason here and the boys are showing me and I was like oh my gosh I was actually decent a little bit you forget about it sometimes but it was fun to watch because it was like I'm about to get hit back shoulder over here, throw it, I slipped here, fired it there.

1:20:24It was just one of those moments where it aligned and you had things went your way. And I went, I don't know, 18 for 20 in the first half or 200 yards, let's say. And I think that was the first time the coaches to your question were like, they wanted to test me in an environment that's tough with the starters against the starters, where everyone back then was really playing. And I performed. And I think that's probably why, you know seven games later they end up putting me in because I think they believed in me then.

1:20:53Big Cat:Yeah was that was that weird at all between you and Drew like especially considering what Drew went through in New England? I wouldn't say it was weird I mean I actually really felt for Drew because I you never want anybody else to like we're all competitors we want to play Drew wants to play I want to play I mean they brought in Drew Henson when I was there who was would have been the number one pick if he came out. But he went and played baseball. So they brought him in in my second year. And so we're all competing, but you're also with each other every day. They're just really good guys. You don't ever root against somebody who's a good dude.

1:21:34If you're an a-hole, maybe it'd be easier.

1:21:36Big Cat:You were bringing them breakfast sandwiches, right? Every Friday? I had to do everything. Remember Larry Allen? Romo, my crown. no no it's like i'll get it before the plane it's part of the process yeah and so then when they put you in at halftime you come in first throw didn't go so well oh yeah right so uh giants yeah got picked off and then that could have made somebody crumble mentally i think like that's a you're you're probably at a deep hole if you don't have full faith in yourself and a true belief that you can do it so what happened on the sidelines after that interception to get you to bounce back you probably saw it I think ourselves might have met we met me halfway on the field when I was walking off but uh that's one of the there's like three moments that are just like you can't breathe right really two probably Seattle that game was probably as big a game as I ever played in for my career trajectory was that preseason game and no one talks about that one because it's like it's a preseason game, but that put in the mind of the coaches that he's got something.

1:22:43We believe that he could actually be a starter. The second one is I'm coming in. It's halftime of, I think, Monday night football. And your point, they're just going to have an easy bootleg, fake it, turn, throw to the flat, get them started, you know, like everyone would do for a young guy? Well, I remember walking out on the field. The crowd goes nuts. I couldn't breathe. It was like cottonmouth. And you're like, play double right. Sorry, I form right. It's a bootleg right. Let's go. Here we go. Just do your job. I come out, throw it. Michael Strahan, I believe, is on the edge. Tips the ball.

1:23:29I think Antonio Pierce intercepted it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Tackle him. It was like, what just happened? I threw an interception, first pass. Then you have to come back out and play. Well, let's just say that half was everything you could possibly do in a half of football I did. I think I threw over 280 yards in a half. I threw five touchdowns, three to the other team, two to mine.

1:23:55Big Cat:It was smart that you did that in your first game because then everybody was like. I don't know if it was smart. You're a gunslinger. You got the gunslinger.

1:24:03PFT Commenter:When backups get in and they're just like dinking and dunking, you're like, all right, this guy's not going to put gunslingers. Yeah. Gunslingers, anything could happen.

1:24:11Big Cat:Immediate branding as a gunslinger. That will extend your career. Yeah. Well, I wasn't thinking about extending the career. I was just trying to do my job at the time. Well, you were gunslinging. That week was huge because I wasn't trying to gunsling. I was just trying to do the right thing. The problem was it was just in you, right? Yeah, right. That's exactly where you're making. You just proved our point.

1:24:30PFT Commenter:You're a gunslinger by birth. The guys that try to be a gunslinger, you know that they're not actual gunslingers. Yeah, gunslingers, they're not like, oh, man, I'm going to go gunsling. They just get out there and they just start whipping it. That's because I didn't know the game. It was literally like you feel something and you do it. And then when you get older, you're like four guys over here, three guys over here. Where's the leverage? And so it's funny how when you're young, you're just like feeling it. And then when you get older, it's systematic. Yeah. Just with the numbers, leverage, angles, and then you know what's possible, what's not.

1:25:01And then you, I'm just saying the game goes completely different. Whereas when you're young, you're like, I'll make a miss. Yeah. It's like, meh, really? I'll throw it through them. But it's funny because the next week, after that game, I was so erratic. We lost that the coaches all had to go do a, Parcells did this. He brought every coach in there and they're all sitting there and they said, I want everyone to vote who should be our starting quarterback. Oh, wow. I don't think people know this story. But so he brings in every coach. So let's say there's 15 votes. And he goes, if we're doing this, we're all in this together.

1:25:40We're going to vote. Is it Bloodsoe or is it Rummo? And Drew's a great quarterback. Like, honestly, like, if Brady didn't come along, he'd maybe still be playing. But the truth is, that day right there, I think Parcells knew what he wanted, but he wanted all the coaches' advice. But I think he already went in and probably asked each guy. Yeah. I'm just saying. So he knew which way to vote? I think Bill knew already. He's like, I'm not voting. You guys are voting. Here we go. Let's see. And whatever it ends up, we'll do. And we'll do it together as a team, as coaches, right? And I'm like, that's not Parcells.

1:26:16He knows what he's doing. I feel like he went into each office and probably did. I don't know that factually, but. Was it unanimous? Do you know? So it goes through. And who does he save for last in the vote? The assistant quarterback coach who I go out and, you know, I go to practice every day and everything, and you're desperate to get better. And so I'd call him. I'd be like, can you come up? I'd throw 9, 10, 11 o 'clock at night. So I'd be up there. So you go to practice all day, and then I go throw until midnight, you know, in the bubble, and then come back and do the same thing over and over because you just want to improve.

1:26:46and I'm like so he saved the one guy when it's like seven to seven and the last guy is the guy who I work with every single day and I'm like I have a feeling that Parcells knew how the vote was going to turn out but ended up being me barely and then and this is all secondhand right from the coaches and people that I knew now I'm starting in Carolina and now I know my career is on the line because the next week I'm like you ain't getting it was already a vote yeah you're not getting another vote this is it yeah it's like he's either if he doesn't perform this week this is why i tell there's always so many opportunities but there are times where it's like this is it and so that's the biggest game i ever played in other than seattle i would say to start the process and then we ended up winning i played good i remember john madden al michaels who were doing the game i mean that's like surreal to you right like that was such a huge moment i can still picture it's like a joyful thing for me just thinking about it did you know did you find out

1:27:46PFT Commenter:when did you find out who voted which way and did you ever stick it to any years later okay you didn't so you didn't know like maybe the next year and be like hey i know you voted for blood oh yeah i did at some point okay all right yeah i knew yeah i knew i forgive you jerry got a vote

1:27:59Big Cat:too right let's be honest jerry could overrule the entire democracy oh he could have yeah jerry always has final yeah jerry always says one vote that matters he should yeah and i love jerry he's

1:28:11PFT Commenter:like family yeah yeah um all right i got a deep cut question for you i don't know what's a deep cut well it's it's something that you probably have completely erased from your memory in life but it's stuck with me for so many years that i finally am so happy i can actually ask you this question i like it you did a pizza commercial oh my gosh okay yeah you're wearing a blank blue hat I almost wore it today. Do you still have that hat? I do. So that's actually the hat because I was just obsessed with the fact that you would pop up at a Duke basketball game. I'm like, that motherfucker's wearing the free commercial hat.

1:28:48PFT Commenter:Was that the same hat? This is crazy that he says. You're the first one. I got to give you a pound on this one. Dude, it would drive me nuts. I was like, Tony Romo got a free hat from a commercial and then he wore it every day after. That was the hat, wasn't it? I remember this. It's so funny. no one's ever brought this up to me this is nuts you're you're brilliant big cat where does your brain go to you i don't know i just was like crazy i was like why won't tony admit that he got a free hat he's right he's now wearing it he's not wrong i remember sitting there and every time you wear a hat there's always something on it right right and my brother-in-law chase would bring up he'd be like i feel like you started the no logo hat and i was like well i don't think i started it but i definitely wore it a lot yeah and then i'm like i did start the no logo hat you're right that's so true but it did start at the pizza so it was the pizza commercial hat so they hand you a hat for wardrobe because you can't have a logo in a commercial and then you just wore that exactly that's a he's 100 right do you still have the hat 100 it's it is it the same hat it's the same hat that's crazy that hat never dies can we have the hat want me to wear it in the tournament i would love to i would love to see that i'm happy it's doing well it's blue i haven't yeah it's blue i have i have the picture of you at the at the game at like a duke basketball game i think i brought it i feel like you also wore it look at that picture yeah that's you in the hat and i every time it pop up like tony roman's wearing the free pizza on commercial

1:30:18Big Cat:you'd also wear it for like official team photos sometimes right like at the start of the year just the headshot you put the hat on i wear it a lot the bat's a great hat that's an all-fame hat were you like your usa hat yeah how does that go wrong yeah were you the uh were you the the patient zero for colin coward's take that quarterback shouldn't wear their hats backwards i think i was probably one of the ones i i that was actually one of the biggest things when i was young that i remember an old man coming up to me one time being like don't wear your hat backwards i was like i didn't know that was a thing i was like i it just felt like that was the cool thing at the time if i knew that that was the thing i probably wouldn't do that but at the same time I'm like, well, you've got to be you.

1:30:59I mean, you guys are here because you're you.

1:31:01PFT Commenter:Do you think, though, that quarterback – We could put him back. Well, no, because we're winning podcasts. Yeah, we're capital J journalists. Right, we're leaders. We're leaders of men. So do you think – There's kids that watch this show. Do you think there was ever a moment where you wore your hat backwards and you're like, hey, I'm not doing a good job leading the team? I don't think I ever felt that way. I just remember a guy coming up one time and someone telling me about that. There's always journalists. When you grow up and you're going through the phase, people will write things, say things, and you care.

1:31:28When you're young, you're like, what? I didn't know that was a thing. When you get older, you're like, yawn. Yeah. You're like, I think life's going to be okay.

1:31:35Big Cat:What about maybe the biggest compliment that any journalist ever paid you in your entire life? I hope you know this one. Peter King from Sports Illustrated. Love Peter. He said, Tony Romo, he leads the league in smiles. How about that? I didn't hear. I haven't seen that one. That was a stat that Peter King invented one year. It just stuck with me forever. And I thought to myself, if I was an NFL quarterback, I probably wouldn't want to be known for that as, like, my thing. Listen, if you're winning, you're smiling. If you're winning, it's good. I don't think I led the league in smiles losing because I was – those are – that's part of announcing.

1:32:11I'm like, you know how hard it is when you lose. I mean, it's like your family, you, it's a horrendous week. And so I know that part of it where it's like that week either is going to be awesome or horrendous. For you, your wife, kids, your parents, I mean, it's so win or lose. It's crazy how much that affects just the way that you feel emotionally, mentally. And your job as you get older is to try and obviously suppress that and just make it be like move on to the next. But the truth is, like when you're young, you can't really do that. It's like you're either great or you're terrible. There is no in-between.

1:32:54And I feel like that's one of the great things about the sport is, like, it matters. It matters to all these people so much. And by the way, when you lose too much, you not only affect your life, you affect every one of those coaches' lives. They're going to be gone. Their families are going to move. The kids are going to move schools. Like, there's a lot put on a quarterback in the national football league. Head coach, same thing. I mean, it's a big deal.

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1:34:06Big Cat:So when you got into the league, Dan Campbell was on that team, right? Yeah. On that Cowboys team as a tight end. What was he like at that age? Was he, I don't want to say insane again, but was he always Dan Campbell? No, Dan's not changed. One iota. Dan was the guy I looked up to in so many ways when I got there. I mean, he might be the only guy I've ever seen who was a captain of the team, and he wasn't the starter. Like, truly. And I'm like, because Jason Witten's incredible. but Dan was voted captain and you're like well Witten's unbelievable but Dan's work ethic but he was the cool guy like I'm not joking like I just wanted to be around Dan so I was the young kid who's trying to make the team made the team and I'm like what are you doing Dan I'll just hang around you and so I went out with Dan one night and it was great and if you look at my hand right here we still have some memories from that night because he's sitting there and he's randomly smoking a cig one night and he's like i'll tell you one thing rumble come here and he goes straight on my hand and i was like ah what are you doing he's like isn't that funny that's great yeah all right let's go we gotta go let's go and i was like that wasn't fun at all that's good shit yeah i was like but it's dan so it's cool yeah so that kind of just love him he's the ultimate culture creator yeah that's dan he is a leader of men like like i've never seen before so so he kind of ties into another question so him as a backup tight end and he's naturally a true alpha in that locker room 100 a quarterback like is it possible for a good quarterback to lead a team and not have that alpha personality if if there's like a bigger one in the room like If you had a Dan Campbell, it's like, what am I supposed to do about that?

1:36:04You 100 % can lead. I've seen 20 different versions of quarterbacks leading a team from whether it's communication, whether it's work ethic, whether it's quiet confidence. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I mean, you don't have to be – you have to be an alpha up here. So, in other words, you've got to know that we're going to win. and you got to lay your body on the line. That's a big thing that people don't talk about enough is just lay your body on the line. In other words, I can check this ball down right now and you see older quarterbacks sometimes. They know the game well enough to be like, that's going to take a little long and I'm going to take this shot here, but I'll just check it down and okay.

1:36:46It's like, no, no, no. I know I can get that off on that dig rod I talked about earlier, but this guy's going to hit me square in the jaw. It's like, but that's going to help our team. Bam. Well, that's what it takes. You do that over and over again. you are a leader of the team it's like sacrificing yourself and your body and then obviously doing the right things day in day out work ethic but you don't have to be the rah-rah guy that's a little bit overrated in some ways but you do have to know the game yeah you have to know the game you got to be able to teach other guys yeah you gotta they gotta learn from you yeah and you were

1:37:19PFT Commenter:a tough tough football player like playing with a broken back um you know like not sure that was smart no but seriously like you're like you no one ever questioned your toughness like you know it's you're right that like i would imagine everyone in the locker room's like this guy's gonna put it all on the line when you do retire it did feel like you had a little left in the tank yeah was that a difficult decision where it's like hey i probably can get healthy here and play at a high level for a few more years like how did that how did that all go down No, you're right. I mean, I really contemplated right up till the end.

1:37:58Because. Like, I'm not a guy with big, like, regrets, I guess you could say, like, I'm not sitting here being like, oh, I regret. I'm like. The only regret I guess I would have is that my job was to bring a Super Bowl to Dallas and I didn't do it. So that always sticks with me a little bit because, you know, you give your whole body and heart, soul, everything into it. And you just wanted that for all the fans, for the Joneses, for everybody that you're around. And so that that one always sticks with me a little bit just because, you know, I had that opportunity and just wasn't able to do it. So that part of it kind of still sits there.

1:38:38but at the end it was like I could go somewhere else and do it because I was like I gotta win a Super Bowl I mean it's literally what you play the game for nothing else matters and it just was like but would that be the same if I went somewhere else and did it because at that point I'd known the game at such a high level like my last 20-25 games we were pretty successful when healthy right but I was getting injured more often and body breaks down in some ways through the years and um yeah i think just it was as simple as it just wouldn't feel as important or as uh i mean it would be important to me but i'm like it was for the people i was

1:39:19PFT Commenter:around right all the fans that we had was there a moment uh after you retired maybe a year or six months where you're like oh i feel good today like i woke up feeling good and it's like i might Give them a call. Give them a call, Jim. Yeah, I think there were times that first year where I was like, and I did get some calls. But it was just like, you know, I had – it was just you start to move on and then the body and everything. And then on top of it, it's like it's still not Dallas. And for me, it's like the Cowboys were home. And now I root for so many teams. It's funny because it's like I rooted against the NFC East my whole life.

1:39:57Like I was always like, we'd finish a game and it'd be like the Giants, commanders, the Eagles, did they lose today? It's like you'd cheer and everything. And then all of a sudden you're like, now I'm like, I like that guy. I like him for the Eagles. I like for the people. Like now I'm like, I like guys on the Giants. I mean, I like guys on the Eagles. I like guys on the commanders, right? So it's like I root for so many teams because of the people that you meet. And you're like, that guy sells everything out all day long. and I like him, he's doing it the right way. It's like I'm a fan of these teams sometimes, and it's like I root for them in some ways.

1:40:33Big Cat:Yeah. What's one team that called you? Just give us one team. I'm not going to go there. Oh, come on. Just one team.

1:40:39PFT Commenter:Just make a little help. Can you give us five guesses? Three teams that called. But there was like a bunch of teams like before then. That's after the season started. Before then, I really had real decisions to make because teams were like one of you. But I mean, at the time it was like, I mean, I actually, as a competitor, you're like, somebody wants you. Right. And you'd like that at your core, but you're also like, is that right? Right. It just didn't feel right. I don't know how to explain it. And so even the same thing going back, it's like, I mean, there's been a gazillion. Same thing is like, I've been offered like head coaching jobs in the NFL and it's from owners.

1:41:20And that's always flattering because they know you know the game at a high level. So I'm like, I would try and do a little more of this than that. And they listen to people, their coaches and people every day, so they learn all this stuff. But when you can really get into the nuance of them and tell them certain things that they hadn't heard, and it's like the game, there's many levels to it. And when you know it at that level, you can really teach people. And I think the people that you hire, when Andy Reid went to Kansas City, that changes the trajectory of where that organization goes. Yeah.

1:41:52So it's like you just need to get the right kind of people.

1:41:54Big Cat:Yeah. So now I have to guess what teams offered you head coaching jobs. Browns. They offered Condoleezza Rice. Cowboys. You had to come up before Connie. No. Cowboys. No. I'm not even going there. But no and no. You kind of went there, though. Yeah. No, I'm just saying. You went there first. You tickled us. You're gunslinging. This is more about, like, honestly, the people who are hiring. that is as important a role as who the quarterback is probably the most important the head coach and quarterback are the two most important people in the organization the owner is right there in some ways because who he hires to be the head coach then trickles down to who the quarterback will be who he hires to be the general manager so it's the hiring that matters you've got to be able to know what makes the difference and how you're going to build this whole thing so if you don't have a mapped out plan organizationally before it's just random yeah and then the other teams are going to

1:42:50PFT Commenter:beat you um are you ready for another i'm going to give you a compliment that you're i guarantee you haven't gotten this one okay uh because i remember i wrote a blog about this back in the day uh i love the fact that you were probably making like hundreds of millions of dollars the quarterback not true already whatever you're a contract you know you're making 20 million you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys and somehow some way Tony Romo is vacationing with his family and I believe Noah's Ark in the Wisconsin Dells what a white trash move and I was like tip of the cap how is this guy here the Wisconsin Dells God love it I'm sure you were at Ho-Chunk Casino oh if my cat is Nick here it's crazy that you were there I just remember being like why Tony Romo's at an indoor water park in Wisconsin which is so clean Congrats.

1:43:41PFT Commenter:So clean. So nothing, none of those kids would ever be there. Right. Yeah. So congrats on that. That was, uh, yeah. Did you ever go to cruising chubbies? Oh, you know this too well. Yeah. I know cruising chubbies. You go to the cheese castle. Yeah. But yes, I always was like, damn, that's like just a regular dude. Oh man. This is what we do. I mean, I'm a taxicab driver these days. I got a 14, 12 and eight year old boy. And I'm like, what practice am I going to? Where am I taking him? Go to school and pick him up. You do the, it's like, it's a great time in life. But at the same time, it's funny it's like uh i weirdly love it and at the same time i'm like do we need to go in there right now can we wait another 10 minutes before we get in there yeah but the dells are amazing yeah the dells are incredible so we i want to talk about your golf game too so it's funny we had taylor twelman on the show and we were asking about like who can win this tournament your name came up and he said i guarantee you romo's on the range right now hitting like 700 balls no joke we finished the interview i walk out you're standing there i think you were the only one there i was on the range how many how many balls are you hitting a day like are you you're just this obsessed with golf well it's no different than football it's like you want to be good at something I mean, it's reps.

1:44:58That's the secret to anything. I remember I went after my first year in college. I was a freshman quarterback, and I had never taken a drop, five - or seven-step drop in high school. So I get here, and I'm the sixth-string quarterback at Eastern Illinois on a partial scholarship. I did get about 23%, 25%, which is a big deal, by the way. You guys should recognize that. That's a big deal. Partial scholarship at Houston, Illinois, that's hard to get. And I'm there, and I remember just missing every throw. So the starting receivers, as we're in routes on air, they call it, receiver goes up, we're just warming up.

1:45:41Next quarterback comes up, he throws the ball, the next receiver goes up, he throws the ball, the next receiver. So you might find, well, the starters, as soon as I get up there, they'd be like, oh, no, no, no, I'm waiting. the next receiver go up, the young guy, because my ball will come in like this. And they didn't want to break their fingers. Probably pretty smart on their part. But after the first year, coach calls me in. Now it's evaluation time. Tony, we think you'd be better off. Coach Spoo, who is an amazing coach, he goes, I think you'd be better off moving to tight end. And he says this, and it's like a shock to your system, right?

1:46:19and you're like oh i don't know spoo well done and i said i listened to him he's like listen we had a guy willingham here he did the same thing when he came in he ended up being a great time and everything i was like it breaks your heart a little bit in some ways but i was like coach if you can give me till the spring because we have spring ball in april and this is like late november early december i'm like if you can give me till the spring and if you don't think I've improved, then I think maybe we'll entertain that decision. But just give me till the spring. Are you OK with that? And if I haven't improved, then we'll talk about that.

1:46:57And he goes, all right, that's fair. We'll do that. That was the day I literally said, I'm never skipping a day of throwing the football. So every day, and it went for 12 years, and everyone used to be like, hey, you got to rest your arm in the offseason, everything. I'm like, I'm not good enough. I can't rest my arm. I've got to throw. These guys are better than me. I can see them. So I went 12 years and that all the way through the NFL. Vacations and everything. Every day.

1:47:23Big Cat:What's the weirdest place you ever said, I got to go throw? My dad came home. He was late from work. It's probably minus five out in Wisconsin and it's December the next year, let's say. And I'm like, there's a light on out in the street and I give my dad so much credit. He would throw with me every time I asked him after work. I mean, he worked left at four 35 AM, get home at five or six and then it'd be dark eating. Then I'd be like, can we throw? And I can remember going out there and I broke his finger and I remember being really disappointed, but I threw it really good that day. So I was like a little bit okay, but my dad, he's, he's a hero of mine.

1:48:07So that's probably what, but it was like, I can't skip a day. And then I would throw two times a day, three times a day. But I was just trying to, I would throw into the pillows and the couch just because I wanted to feel it, how it came off. And then eventually you get it. And when you get it, the game gets easier.

1:48:25PFT Commenter:So that's what you're doing with golf. I'm trying to. So, I mean, like you're practicing. How many balls did you hit today on the range? I don't know. A couple. Come on. A couple thousand? I mean, the idea is, I'll say this. I'm coming into this tournament better than I have been in the last couple of years. I got into the chipping yips a couple of years ago and it took literally two years to get out of it. Like, and I took lessons from everyone and then talked to everybody. I mean, you got, I got Sheffler over here, Speed, Tiger, I mean, whoever, everybody. And I'm like, I'll take anything. Yeah.

1:48:59What do you got?

1:49:00PFT Commenter:Are you actually, cause you've, you've played what? I heard, I read that you played 500 rounds with Scotty Sheffler somewhere around there. That was an exaggeration. I said that. I'm like, I've played 500. But the truth is, I probably played 40 with him back then. I probably played 15 with him this year. Okay. But are you asking him for tips? And is it like, can he translate? Because it's probably so easy for him. He's pretty good, just so you guys know. He's actually good at the game of golf. Has he gotten you into Barcelona? Him and Spieth helped me tremendously. I'm around them. Will Zalator, same way.

1:49:29These guys, I mean, I pepper them with questions about it. And I've improved because of them in a lot of ways. but at the same time it doesn't always resonate right now and what i've learned is what they tell you now may not help right now but in a year six months when all of a sudden something changes in what you're doing you're like can you recall that now i understand what they're saying but it doesn't always work right now but it might one day if you can actually have the recall so you write everything down you go back through your notes every day it's the only way i figure out how to be successful is to just grind and work your butt off.

1:50:07Big Cat:Yeah. Are you the best former NFL player golfer? Former NFL player golfer. Because we see a lot of hockey players out here. You see some baseball players. Baseball, hockey. A lot of pitchers that have days off. Yep. But don't see a lot of NFL players. They always make that move, right? So they're always going. Yeah.

1:50:23PFT Commenter:And it's like also the, I just assume their ability to understand like every fine, like, you know, twitch muscle that they're having. Like, okay, I know exactly what I went wrong here. Yeah. It's similar to probably throwing a football. Well, I think the move is like, right, they have something in their hand, and they're going to go ahead and hit another thing. Where in football, it's like it's in our hand. Yeah. So we make it happen. So we're going to go ahead and throw that thing. Where it's like they have a stick, and they're going to hit another thing. Well, it's moving, I guess you could say.

1:50:55But that allows them to have the right rotation, body movement. so usually the best players here are going to be those type of guys but at the end of the day golf ball doesn't lie if you get it correctly it doesn't matter what sport you played

1:51:14Big Cat:yeah yeah all due respect this new segment called all due respect

1:51:18PFT Commenter:oh I like this all due respect

1:51:19Big Cat:all due respect I'm a Washington fan you're what? I'm a Washington Commanders Redskins fan I used to love it when you would throw interceptions all due respect I don't doubt it. It made me so happy. I love it. You're a real fan. I'm a real fan. For some reason, the interception that you would – because you would throw, you would take chances, and you would really throw an interception. I was young, I definitely did. Yeah, do you have a – we've asked, I think, Brett Favre of this. Do you have a favorite interception that you ever threw? I do remember I ended up having back surgery the next day up in Washington.

1:51:55Our season was on the line. It wasn't the last game of the year. It was the second glass. If we lose, we're out of the playoffs. And so I'd never played in a game where I was eliminated from playoff contention. So I was like, that's weird. Because it's like, if we lose this game, I'm playing in a game next week where I'm not having a chance. That's like weird in your brain. So we're in Washington. And I didn't realize my back disc surgery I'm going to have the next day. And we're there. And all of a sudden, I move and I throw this three-yard route. This guy hits my foot from behind as I twist, and it goes searing.

1:52:33And I'm like, oh, my God. I go down, and I try and throw it for me to that wall five feet behind you, and I could barely get it on like a third down of Miles Austin. It was like, eh. And he's like, what is this ball? And it was like here. He caught it. Got the first down and everything. It's our final drive of the game. And I go down, and they call a play, and I'm like, I can't throw that. Like I could tell. I'm like, no. So here comes an interception coming really soon. Then all of a sudden, game's on the line. Your season's on the line. And I sit there, and if I was smarter, I probably wouldn't have played, but I didn't know any better because your season's on the line, so you just play.

1:53:11I roll out right, and Terrence Williams gets behind the corner, like 5 or 10 yards, and he's about 25 yards on field, which is an easy throw, throw it 35, 40 yards. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do this. But you're like, season's on the line. So you go, boom, and you're like, oh. I throw it, and he should have scored, but I underthrew it because I was like as far as I could throw it. So the corner ends up catching him, but he gets all the way down to like the one-yard line. And now I'm like, okay, we're going to win. Coach calls a handoff, or we come over the sideline, there's a timeout.

1:53:43He's like, what do you think? I'm like, throw it on first down. Play action to the flat. I can throw it four yards to the fullback. Boom. Run it on second down. Play action again on third down, and then we'll decide if it gets the fourth down. He's like, okay, we're going to run it. And then we're going to run it and then we're going to run it. I was like, this is the one team on earth. I know this system. They 11 guys blitz. They'll let you throw it in. What year was this? Oh gosh, this is 2013, I believe. 2013.

1:54:15PFT Commenter:By the way, this story is awesome. All time Romo sounds are coming out. It's really like the back injury Romo sounds are. Oh, gosh, this was painful. And it's stupid, honestly. If I'm being honest, I'm like, don't ever do that to anybody because I'm like, it affects the rest of my life going forward because it ends up going from a herniated disc to a ruptured disc because I played. But, you know, as a quarterback, it's like you're just like, I'm going to do it. Our season's on the line. Like if it was week six, you might not have. But first down, handoff, stuffed. They sell out. All 11 guys are blitzing.

1:54:52No one's trying to cover. Second down, handoff, stuffed. And I'm like, probably could have thrown any of those. Remember that conversation we had on the sideline? Third down, they're going to run it again. Handoff, stuffed. Nope, sorry, not stuffed. Goes in, gets stuffed, and then DeMarco runs to the left. And I'm like, come on, this isn't the last minute and a half of the game. Goes back right, then goes backwards, gets tackled at the 10-yard line. Yep. And then all of a sudden, there's a timeout. Coach comes over. He's like, hey, whatever you like, we're up for doing. I was like, wow, that's so funny.

1:55:33Because I liked that fake handoff on first down and goal line where I could just throw the ball three yards to the guy in the flat. Because, you know, they blitz, like I said, everybody. And so now they're like, I'm like, thanks. Give me 11 personnel. So we get out there. And I'm like, hey, you got the dig route I told you earlier with the back who's supposed to go underneath him. But I tell him to go to the flat. DeMarco and I'm going to try and look to the dig. It's T.O. at the time, I believe. No, it's Des at the time on the back. And I'm like, I can throw to him in the back of the end zone, try and move the defense because they're going to end up being some shell coverage of a cover to his form, which is kind of for two.

1:56:09And I drop back. Guy rushes up here. I move up, pretend, pretend. And I'm still trying to throw there. And then I throw to DeMarco and I turn him because he's running a flat route. So I turn him this way. So his body has to go as he's running here. He's got to turn back this way to catch the ball so he can get over the line. He scores. We win the game. So that's my best interception in Washington. That was good. That was a good one. Do you like that, BFT? That was a good one. That was a good one. He was starting to catch on when he's like, what year was that? He's like, wait a sec.

1:56:39Big Cat:I'm not feeling the interception, I remember. No, I thought you were going to talk about it. Yeah, there were some interceptions that we had. That was so well done.

1:56:46PFT Commenter:I was like, that one doesn't check out at all. We also have a diehard Eagles fan here. Max hates your guts. I like Jeffrey Lurie. I've talked to him a million times. Him and Howie are unbelievable. It's one of the organizations that is really well done. Yeah. Max, you got a question for Tony? That's very nice of you to say. Unfortunately, all of the Eagles fans for sure hated your guts when you played there. I certainly hope so. And it would be a disservice of me not to say that. You've been a very nice guy today. You've got to do it for the fans. Wait, Tony, do you have a favorite interception you threw against the Eagles?

1:57:20PFT Commenter:No, you have to do this. So my last drive of my career was in Philly. So the only time I played, I think the whole season, was 2016. And we rest the starters because we already locked up the number one seed. So we couldn't move the ball. Eagles are fantastic. And I come in and I'm like, okay, we're like in the second quarter late first. and all of a sudden we have no like starting offensive linemen no starters I'm like that's okay so I come in and it's my literally last drive the only drive I think I did all year in 2016 it'll be the last drive of my career and it's third down and eight or something and I throw a strike on a dig throw a rob boom boom boom come down on the last play and I made up a play on the last one, and I called it a smoke and go.

1:58:17So smoke and go is this. A smoke means RPO for the rest of the world. RPO means run pass option. The quarterback decides a run pass option. Nobody else. The coaches diagram it to say, you're the outside linebacker. Your job is to fit the outside gap right here. Set hut, if I hand the ball off, you got to fit there. Well, if he comes running in, that receiver right there can go right there and I can throw behind him because he has to defend that zone. Let's say he's got hook to curl or curl to flat. So we're putting him in a bind. He's got two options. So the only person who knows is the quarterback.

1:58:56He's going, sit hot. Oh, he stayed there. Let the guy run with the ball. Oh, he started coming. I throw it to him, right? Well, the same thing happens single receiver. Remember three by one? Cut the line in half, three receivers there. Running back here. I'm in shotgun. I said or I'm under center I'm like I can hand off or I can throw a smoke we call it which is a stand there and turn so if the corner's off 10 yards you go set boom you throw it to him and he gets 5 yards it's a run so I told him I was like Terrence Williams just stand there do the smoke and then go we've heard of hitch and go curl and go like a double move but I hadn't seen him before but I've been dying my whole career to do this and it's kind of like man so i told him i was like i want you to go ahead and stand there like i'm gonna throw right away boom from under center if the corner's off and then run a go so i went set hut and i pumped and he went and the corner comes flying down

1:59:59PFT Commenter:because he's never seen that because no one goes to hut yeah and then runs a go route right it would be dumb we're at like six seven yard line so boom i go bam he goes and i throw it and i'm like that's touchdown. So when I threw it as a touchdown, so that's my best interception. These don't make any sense. These aren't interceptions. Those are touchdowns. I didn't understand the difference. Now I'm getting it.

2:00:26Big Cat:If you want to brag about beating the 2013 Washington Redskins, get in fucking line, buddy, because we sucked that year. Rex, do you have a question? By the way, those two teams right there, they actually gave me some of the worst games I've played. How about that? Is that better for you? Yeah, thank you. They killed me at times. Yeah. Max, do you have a real question? We're probably holding a rack bow the entire time. I'm just hate talking. Jim Johnson, Hazlitt. Yeah. They gave me trouble.

2:00:49PFT Commenter:Yeah. All right. Well, Tony, this has been awesome. So I guess we have a couple last questions. Zach's going to come up in a second. But so we really appreciate you coming on. Because like we said, we go after you sometimes. We go after a lot of announcers. I'm okay. Are we free to do that still? Oh, by all means. Okay. Fire away. We're going to get a lot of people being like, you made us love Tony Romo, which that is a testament. You coming here and playing ball with us, it's awesome. It's your guys' job. It's awesome. Honestly, the fact that you guys have gotten to where you're at shows you your work ethic, testament to what you do, and your knowledge of the sport.

2:01:23So fire away to everybody. We'll always take compliments. I'm going to be okay. We'll always take compliments.

2:01:27Big Cat:I think we're also like, we're rascals, but we're not complete assholes. Right. So, yeah. Rascals. Yeah, we're going to continue to pull some rascal shit on you. We'll put a cherry bomb in your toilet, but we're not going to run you over with our car.

2:01:38PFT Commenter:Right. So I'm not going to die. Yeah, right. Exactly. As long as I live, we're going to be okay. And also, if you want to like, yeah, I mean, the sounds, you know when you get crazy with the sounds. There's a couple times where I think I've tweeted, I feel like I'm on drugs right now because I don't know what just happened. It's the slow-mos. When the slow-mos happen, that's when you hit the sound button and you're just like, what's going on? I'm actually learning right now. You're teaching me. Yeah. I'm actually going to try and take that into account. I'd actually be bummed out if you stopped doing that.

2:02:05PFT Commenter:I don't know, Jim. That one I want you to keep doing. That one's a call. What should I stop? Tell me that.

2:02:10Big Cat:Well, because here's the problem. You're right to say no one knows if it's a catch or not. Yeah. We don't know. I think I know, but I'm like, is he going to call it that way? Yeah, right. And I know this guy's history, and I'm like, I don't know if he's going to call it that way.

2:02:23PFT Commenter:I actually think you should lean into it even more, because then it would be like an inside joke between the three of us. That's pretty good. Where you see if you can go, I don't know, Jim, for like 20 seconds. Like, just fucking hit it and just be like, wait, did our TVs just break? If we did that, that's you guys. If I do it for two seconds, if I go four, you know it's true. Yes, yes. All right, Zach, come on up. But seriously, thank you so much, Tony. This has been so much fun. Thank you, guys. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE. 20 % off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Roback.com, promo code TAKE.

2:02:56PFT Commenter:Let's go, Zach. Hold on. Did you just do that, like, off the top of your head? Yes. I've been doing it for a long time. That is impressive. A long time. If that's not a promo that I've ever seen before, that's impressive.

2:03:04Big Cat:Do you have to do any of the ad reads or is that all Jim that he has to do when it's like 60 minutes? We switch it up, but I just let him do every one. Yeah. Smart.

2:03:13PFT Commenter:It's really smart. What's going on, Tony? I got a quick question for you. I believe in 2006 when you became the starting quarterback of the Cowboys, you were 26. With them being the biggest market in the NFL, what was it kind of like? just you pretty much became the man in the biggest market that they have uh in the sport so any uh any examples of like maybe moments where that kind of hits you like oh this is bigger than me but I'm also like kind of the guy in uh in Texas what was that like that's a good question too I feel like when

2:03:47Your world changes like over a month. Like you went from... Because when I first started, I was like 6-1 or something or 5-1 or 6-1 I think it was to start my first seven games of my career. And the one loss, I took us down to win the game and we got a block field goal. I think the game was tied and then they blocked it. I was holding, which didn't end up great by the end of that season. but at the time it was Washington actually Sean Taylor I think might have been a part of it if memory serves I can't remember

2:04:23Big Cat:specifically but Troy Vincent that blocked it Sean Taylor picked it up yes and then there's the face mask then Nick Novak there you go PFT now you're showing off stop I remember that game it was awesome that was a great I thought I let us down to win the game because then I would have been like 7-0 to start my career but that was the loss and if it wasn't for a face mask while we tackled the guy who blocked it then they kicked it and made it we lost but it was like a good you know bunch of times you took them down and win but what happens is overnight your world your life changes like all of a sudden you're a backup who's like i'm trying to play in the nfl and i am somebody do you like me possible wife one day no and then all of a sudden you become this thing and life will never be the same after that and so it's a great question because it felt like there's life before then and then there's life after then and there's nothing wrong with it it's just is and I'm so thankful for you know everything that's happened like I said I wish I brought a Super Bowl to Dallas that would be the one thing I regret that I wanted for all the fans.

2:05:33But other than that, it's an incredible moment in my life and time period that made me feel hard to describe, let's say, to my kids, family, and stuff about how from January to December life changes.

2:05:51PFT Commenter:Yeah. You going to follow up? Yeah, I guess follow up with those different, like, timestamps on before and after. Would there be any advice from 2026, Tony, to 2006, Tony? I did this, I think it was the Football Life or something I did, but 07, I played in a playoff game against the Giants. And we were against Steve Spagnuolo, who was defense coordinator. He ran this coverage that was a version of 2-4. Now I know it like yawn. but back then it was like where's your read start and stuff and we had to drive at the end and I threw a couple balls I remember when I threw it to Patrick on a go around I don't think he thought I was going to throw to him and he slowed but I was like that was a touchdown possibly to win the game there and it was just didn't work out and I remember in 2014 we're in the playoffs against the Detroit Lions who are the number one seed or sorry number one defense in the league which it's going to give you problems and they just hammered green bay who's going to go to the nfc championship game we're going to lose on the des catch the next week after this uh but they hammered them that year by like 20 30 because it was they made it very difficult on quarterbacks they could pressure the defense had the same structure everything like like 07 with spagnola like the rules which were unique and I remember walking out there was seven minutes to go in the game roughly and we're down and we need a touchdown take lead and I remember running out there being like man like I know now what they're gonna do but I was like I wish I knew in 07 what I know now in 14 as I'm running out to the huddle and so fortunate enough to go down and throw a touchdown pass and win that game but that would be the one thing is like i wish i just had the knowledge someone had taught me a little earlier or something you know what i mean yeah that's what i'm always trying to do with my kids just teach them things so they have a little bit knowledge earlier than later yeah all right well tony thank you so much man we really appreciate it it's uh it really is like one of one of the joys we have we've been doing this podcast for 10 years is like when we can we can bust someone's balls they come on and they're like they have fun with us you know what i mean because it really is never we never try to make it mean-spirited it's just it's a testament to you you get all the credit for that uh because you could easily say no fuck those guys i'm not coming on the show well i might going forward we'll see how you guys yeah that's true that's true that's true but uh yeah you are now a recurring guest so anytime you want to come on and best of luck this weekend you guys are awesome good luck man tony was also

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2:09:38PFT Commenter:Okay. Mount Rushmore time thank you to Kraken for sponsoring Mount Rushmore today it is the Mount Rushmore of guys you want to see ride a horse now we were going to do I think the prompt by the way everyone who sent in Mount Rushmore ideas the weirder the better thank you for sending them in to Zach keep sending them in the prompt was people you want to see ride a horse we realized if we did that it would just be a big titty competition, which we could do the Mount Rushmore Big Tits at some other time. It would be fine. So we're doing guys. Just know we would... We're doing guys. We're doing guys.

2:10:18PFT Commenter:Take that, James Dolan. Yep. Okay. Who's up first? That will be

2:10:24Big Cat:PFT. And what is the scores? The score is Big Cat Max and myself at 17, PFT at 16, Hank and Zach at 9. Okay. This is a terrible one to have first pick in. That's okay. Okay. Okay. For the first pick, I'm going to take Guy Fieri. We'd love to see Guy riding a horse straight to Flavortown. Okay. Yep. I bet he'd be good at it. Yeah, he probably would.

2:10:54PFT Commenter:Guy Fieri rocks. Max, we got our 1-1. Yep. Max was giggling like a little schoolgirl. I just kept thinking about this guy riding a horse and it kept making me laugh. Yeah. We'd like to see Donald Trump ride a horse. It would be just... I actually don't think he ever would ride a horse, but it would be fun to watch him ride a horse. We tried to look at pictures, and there was just a bunch of paintings. It's just illustrations of people. Yeah, him riding a horse. But it would be... Trump would just have the... Him getting on top of a horse would be so funny. Like, seeing him try and, like, jump on top...

2:11:29It would be so good. It would be so good. In a suit. A full suit. Yeah, it has to be full suit.

2:11:36PFT Commenter:Full suit, full tie Trump. I would also take golf attire. Yeah, or the video of him with tennis attire. I'd also take that.

2:11:46Big Cat:Cart breaks down. Sir, we got to get you off the course. You're on the 14th hole. You got to get on the horse, sir. Oh, man. Okay. All right, we got our 1-1 still. Just because it would mean that there was a horse big enough to do it. Yao Ming. Oh, okay. Okay. Good pick. It'd be funny. It's a funny pick.

2:12:08PFT Commenter:This is the toughest. I love it. Everyone's going to have their top four. Yeah. We started to do the list. We're like, we got to like 15. We're like, I think we're okay. Because this is such a specific, whatever you think is funny in the moment. Okay. Zach. You think one or three Hank? I think one. Whatever you think. Yep. Oh, all right. All right, yeah, our second pick, we're going to take James Winston.

2:12:41Big Cat:Oh. All right. That's a good one. Yeah, that is a good one. I could see him riding a horse. Yeah, that's a good one. All right, what do we want to do? What was that quote about the horse? He had a quote about a horse last year, right? Yeah, yeah. Like pregame speech or some biblical reference. Yeah, the horse rides or something.

2:12:55PFT Commenter:And the victory is for the horse. The horse is prepared for battle. Yeah, that's right. Boys, what do we want to do? But victory comes from the little one. Should we take our two? One or two. Yeah, I think one just because two, he's kind of similar, right? Or do you think two? What? No, no, two is similar to something they picked. I think one is similar to the they pick. What? Are we looking at different numbers here? I don't know. All right, you make the pick. One or two is fine.

2:13:26PFT Commenter:Wait. The similar would be one. No, because he's not fat. He's just... Alright, we're... Okay. What do you want to do, Memes? I'm cool with either. You gotta make a decision. You gotta make a pick, Memes. Shaq. Okay, Shaq.

2:13:47Big Cat:Good pick.

2:13:48PFT Commenter:He's just so fucking big. Everything about Shaq.

2:13:51Big Cat:I had Shaq on the list. Good pick. Good pick. Way to make a decision. Alright. Board is open. I got two back-to-back here. we've got so many picks that no one I'm gonna go Stephen Hawking oh interesting yeah okay love to see Stephen Hawking on a horse it'd be something yeah tell me you wouldn't take your breath away

2:14:14PFT Commenter:I would

2:14:15Big Cat:yeah that's a good pick and uh

2:14:17PFT Commenter:did you think about the fucked up one huh we could talk about it in honorable mentions yeah we could

2:14:23Big Cat:okay I'm gonna go with Wimby okay that's what we were going back and forth with The horse would be very confused. It was Wemby or Shaq. That's what we did. I think the horse would just look, if it was Shaq, it would look at you and be like, what the fuck? No. And just sit down like a dog. If it's Wemby, it would be like, what is this thing? If Wemby goes back to like monk school and he's like climbing a horse up a mountain, that would be the greatest video. Yeah. He could probably like, you know how you teach kids to ride on bikes where their feet can touch the ground? That'd be like Wemby on a horse.

2:14:54Big Cat:Like he's actually able to walk the horse like a Flintstone car.

2:14:56PFT Commenter:Yeah. Okay. What do we want to do, boys? I like 15. I like 11. I like 11. Okay. I like 7 as well. I like 5. Oh, man. We're all over the place. But you both said... I like 5, too.

2:15:10Big Cat:I love 5. I like 5, 7, and 11. I like 5, 7, and 11. Go 5, and I'll pick the last one. We're going to go Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito. Yep. I had him on my list. Danny DeVito. I love that there's a couple that we have on our list. It would be a very funny visual. I had DeVito on here. Very funny visual. He was right underneath Wimby. Mm-hmm. I think I just deleted our list, Zach. Oh, no. It's our pick, right? Yeah. We're going to go Coach O. Oh, okay. Good pick. Shirley. I could see him running a practice. Yeah, on a horse. Yeah.

2:15:46PFT Commenter:For sure. Welcome to the Gator Rodeo. Yeah. For sure.

2:15:53Oh, we have two? Yeah, you have two.

2:15:55PFT Commenter:Yeah. That's how it works. That's how it works. What do you think? Prince. People are going to be so confused. Oh, I thought you were saying Prince. People are going to be so confused by this. Which one? Harambe? No, that's not a guy. That's not a guy. What? You can't do animal on animal. He's a man. Harambe's not a man. No.

2:16:13Big Cat:I thought about other animals, too. Yeah, I did, too, but it's a guy. It's human. Yeah, you can't do another animal. You can't do another animals. That would be another actually great entire amount of question. We wanted to do Sister Jean, and then we were like, it's not a guy. Yeah, Sister Jean was like, shit.

2:16:26PFT Commenter:And they were like, well, kind of none. She didn't really, like, maybe she.

2:16:32Big Cat:If you're a nun, you're just kind of asexual. Yeah. If you're not thinking tits. Yeah. You're just like, you're completely asexual. It's like if you're a dude and you're a virgin, are you really a man? No. What's the. If. Hold on.

2:16:49PFT Commenter:Can I ask a question?

2:16:53PFT Commenter:Zach, you know what I'm about to say. I don't know. The accusations you made last week. Where? Oh, we were talking big tits at dinner? No, no. Yeah, when you said that I was pandering, and then you guys just tried to take Harambe for a guys on horse draft. He's a guy. I just think that's the lady doth protest too much kind of situation. That was a good pick. We would like to take, with our fourth pick, we're going to take Frank to tank. Okay, that's a good one. That's a great pick. That's a great pick. That's a great pick. Frank walks on a horse. So that's a good pick Alright we gotta get something good here I think 7 or 11 7 I think is Or 15 15 15 is also good Memes Memes I also like 15 Alright Larry David Larry David on a horse would be very funny He would be very upset Did you guys see Larry David The video of him they lost his clubs at the American Century Championship.

2:17:55PFT Commenter:Did they really? Yeah, he was at the driving range. He was just walking around. And then Zach, to your credit, he did an interview on NBC Sports and his alarm was going off. Like in the middle of the interview. I feel it for you there. Sorry to say that, man. You hate Smiley Coffin's name? He does. He said, how can you have a name like Smiley? It's tough.

2:18:18Big Cat:That is great. Okay. All right. I got some. It's decision time right here. Yeah, it's tough. It's a tough draft. Here's where I'm at mentally is I'm looking at my list, and I feel like I've had an okay draft, but then I look at the names that I haven't used yet, and I feel like I might have a better team that I could make out of four names that I haven't used. We could easily run another honorable mention. We definitely could.

2:18:41PFT Commenter:Yes. All right, so I'm down to two. We should actually do that for an upcoming Mount Rushmore, where if it's so deep, we do two drafts and we just add the percentages. I like that. That'd be fun. We should pick one that's so deep. Or we just do a full draft and then the draft starts. Last pick. That's actually a great idea, too. We should definitely do that. No, but then you wouldn't draft your best guy. I know, but he's saying if it's so deep, we just eliminate the best and then dig deep. Because then you're eliminating other people's best, too. Yeah, right.

2:19:15Big Cat:All right, my last pick, I'm going to take Big Dom. Big Dom on a horse would be all the time.

2:19:20PFT Commenter:That's a good one. Howdy, partner. Yeah. That's a good pick.

2:19:24Big Cat:Right?

2:19:24PFT Commenter:That's a good pick.

2:19:25Big Cat:Max, I think pretty good pick, huh? Howdy, partner. Howdy, partner. I think it would be pretty good. Howdy, partner works. Big Dom on a horse. Like, imagine Big Dom rolls up on you on a horse. This is going to be a wide open vote. I don't really know. Yeah. Everyone's got. This could go anyway. It doesn't really. Like, you just can't even. I was thinking about doing Brandon Walker.

2:19:45PFT Commenter:I've seen him on a horse. Where? I think he did a video at a rodeo when we had our bowl game. Was he terrified? I think so. Yeah. All right. So who else did you guys have? Paul Revere was one. Yeah, I mean, Paul Revere would have been fun for historical things. George Washington. Andre the Giant. Andre the Giant. We had Bortles. Oh, Bortles. One that we really wanted to pick. We just couldn't get it in. Tommy Lasorda. Late stage Tommy Lasorda. Yeah, that'd be good. Would have been good.

2:20:13Big Cat:I had Stan Van Gundy. Yeah. It would be hilarious on a horse, I think. James Gandolfini.

2:20:18PFT Commenter:Yeah.

2:20:19Big Cat:Yeah, that painting. Yeah. Mike Francesa.

2:20:21PFT Commenter:Mike Francesa would be... Oh, why did you say that, man? Because I just thought of Stan Lee, and I was like, oh, Mike Francesa. Francesa would be great. Yes. Oh. OJ. OJ on a horse. Dave Portnoy. He loves horses. He's on a Bronco. I don't think I've ever seen Dave on a... Good point, Hank. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen Dave on a...

2:20:40Big Cat:It's been a tough couple weeks for guys that drive Broncos.

2:20:42PFT Commenter:I've never seen Dave on a horse.

2:20:45Big Cat:But it would be cool. I had him on my list, too. The Rizzler? The Rizzler. Did you guys have the Rizzler? No. It's a big miss. No. There were so many times in our pre-draft meeting where we were like, oh, we got to use this one. We got to use this one. Rizzler would be good. But then you get into it, and it's like, there's so many good picks. You can only pick four. I spelled Yao-Y-O-W, by the way. Oh, okay. That's fine.

2:21:10PFT Commenter:Yeah, Yao. Yao's the same team. I was trying to think of any famous baby. It'd be funny to put a baby. Like Baby Jessica, the girl who fell down the well. Baby Jesus. Yeah, Shirley Temple. Yeah, I was trying to get him to do... You mean... Lamal. Lamal's baby... Oh, brother. No, the two-year-old that's fucking taking over. Lil Terrio. Lil Terrio would have been great.

2:21:33Big Cat:Just a funny visual. I had Conan O 'Brien. I think he'd be funny with his red hair flopping around. Did you have the fucked up one? Well, no. In terms of coaches, I like your idea for Coach O. I think Jim Harbaugh on a horse would be all time. I would love to see that. Yeah.

2:21:49PFT Commenter:Did you have the fucked up one?

2:21:51Big Cat:Which one?

2:21:52PFT Commenter:I don't want to say. Let's just say. Superman. Oh, yeah, yeah. Christopher Reeves. Yeah, yeah. R.I.P. Ichabod Crane. He had a good life. Yeah. I think that's a fictional character, right? But no, if you see him, you're fucked, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're fucked.

2:22:09Big Cat:Yeah. Guys you don't want to see on a horse

2:22:12PFT Commenter:George Mirosan

2:22:13Big Cat:I had Shaq, George Mirosan and Wimby Yeah we had Wimby, Shaq, Andre the Giant

2:22:18PFT Commenter:Alex Jones Yokozuna

2:22:21Big Cat:Yeah he'd be good

2:22:22PFT Commenter:Jokic Chris Farley Yep he'd be funny Andy Reid Andy Reid's a miss That's a miss Andy Reid is a really good one. Yeah. Rob Ford.

2:22:41Big Cat:Rob Ford on a horse would be great. Yeah. I just had Hank. I wrote Hank's name on here. Okay. That'd be funny. Andy Reid is probably going to be a good one. Andy Reid. I'm going to be thinking about it.

2:22:52PFT Commenter:Andy Reid on a horse. I'm going to be so funny. Andy Reid on a horse is great. I'm going to be thinking about Andy Reid on a horse. That's so funny. Just think about it.

2:23:02Big Cat:The more Andy Reid on a horse. Yeah. That is so fucking funny. God damn it With the Hawaiian? Yeah, and the shorts probably Oh yeah, the shorts The horse would probably have like a Hawaiian themed saddle I'm pissed I'm pissed about Andy Reid I'm pissed you didn't take People are going to be looking at this board And being like, how did no one take Andy Reid You're damn right

2:23:30PFT Commenter:Rick Majerus That would be pretty funny Dickie V on a horse would be pretty funny Dickie V on a horse would be great

2:23:38Big Cat:I'm on a horse baby nothing else other than that Charles Barkley I want to see Charles do everything

2:23:47PFT Commenter:Charles Barkley would be great on a horse what would your guys picks be if women were included Sidney Sweeney would that have been 1-1 that would be great yeah pretty good no one else

2:24:01Big Cat:probably a solid equestrian Rosa Parks Margaret Thatcher Rosa Parks on a horse What?

2:24:09PFT Commenter:Helen Keller What? Are you just Are you naming all the women you know? Historically What part of the horse That was just Rosa Parks and Helen Keller

2:24:17Big Cat:What part of the horse would Rosa Parks ride on? Why did you say Rosa Parks? I don't know why I said cut that Why did you say Rosa Parks? Why did you say?

2:24:29PFT Commenter:I want to see how deep Hank can go with Like, Hank, name as many women as you can name. Historically. Maria Antoinette. Okay. Cleopatra. Okay. He said Sydney Sweeney and he said Rose of the Bar. Helen of Troy. Combo, bro. I was trying to go with that, you know, more of like historical. Helen of Troy. Okay. Nice one. Amelia Elhart.

2:25:03PFT Commenter:that's how she sounds like a great micro brew the bait sisters okay that's a good list that's a good four pretty good sophie cunningham yeah sure was she oh was she in at the ufc yep she's ring girl sure that was crazy yeah um all right that was a fun mount rush war it made no sense but I agree

2:25:31Big Cat:it's not fun it's not a fun Mount Rushmore and the reason why is because I am going to wake up in the middle of the night tonight and think I'm going to have a dream about Andy Reid on a stallion and it's going to be the funniest dream I've ever had I'm going to wake up and I'm going to be depressed you know how people like walked out of Avatar and they're upset that the real world isn't like that I'm going to wake up from my dream depressed with the world because I've never seen Andy Reid actually ride a horse yeah we fucked up i'm gonna think about rosa parks riding a horse we fucked up we fucked up

2:26:03PFT Commenter:andy reed should have been a pick yeah okay good show boys um by the way uh shout out the papa hops charity that i went to i sang the anthem i sang the anthem for the first time in i think five years on friday night um it's a south side charity mount greenwood they have a softball tournament that is just insane level of softball but they uh do great work for uh families affected by cancer so papa hops.org i believe is the website it was uh it was awesome papa hops.org i had a flyover pft what was it for my anthem it was a helicopter oh that's sick yeah so sick do you know what kind of helicopter was i don't because i was singing the anthem okay yeah i should have looked up but it was sick maybe maybe blackhawk i don't know it was a cpd helicopter Okay, gotcha.

2:26:51PFT Commenter:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, any birthdays you missed? I don't think so, unless you guys... I mean, you missed one on Friday. I understand that she's fat and grew up and is not as cool anymore.

2:27:07Big Cat:Well, no, I did one birthday on Friday because we were teasing Kim Romo. Yeah, yeah, but still, you could have said it out loud.

2:27:14PFT Commenter:You could have said, you know, Mudang.

2:27:16Big Cat:I did. I think I mentioned Mudang last week, didn't I?

2:27:20PFT Commenter:I don't think so Okay

2:27:21Big Cat:Yeah maybe I forgot But actually I

2:27:23PFT Commenter:It's okay because she Is not cool She's not cute

2:27:26Big Cat:Yeah

2:27:26PFT Commenter:No she's fucking fat Meme said that Meme You did Oh you did You mentioned it when Yeah Hippo Oh Oh when we talked about Yeah we talked about Oh but that wasn't Birthday Related Oh so you should have Even said right then

2:27:39Big Cat:I should have said That's the time That was a perfect

2:27:42PFT Commenter:Hippo spot Yeah but I mean

2:27:44Big Cat:That's old Mudang That's cute Mudang Also shout out Jessica Simpson Yeah

2:27:48PFT Commenter:Happy birthday Okay, let's do numbers.

2:27:52Big Cat:27.

2:27:5756.

2:27:59Big Cat:We're going to do 42 because some guy said it's his lucky number at the gas station.

2:28:04PFT Commenter:Who hasn't gotten it? Memes, PFT, and Colton? Colton? No. No, I think it's me and PFT. Oh, Jacob? No, Jacob's gotten it. Are they coming in?

2:28:18Are they coming in? Yeah Let's go 71 Here they are 56

2:28:25PFT Commenter:Let's go 64 7 86 80

2:28:36PFT Commenter:Go Jacob, go 25 Say it, 25 Jacob's 25 25

2:28:48PFT Commenter:73. 73. Did anyone get that? Anyone got 73? Nope, did not. All right, one more. Colton, what do you have? And Colton, you haven't got it. Colton is not gone. So, yeah, it's Colton memes PFT. Even though I did get it, but whatever. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. Don't say that memes. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. I did.

2:29:19PFT Commenter:Zero again. That's zero. Two times in a week. Zero. Dang. That's pretty cool. Zero.

2:29:28Big Cat:Pretty cool. Happy birthday to Hak Tua. Oh. Hayley Welsh. Remember her? Yeah. Where's she? Probably blowing out her candles. Mm-hmm.

2:29:39PFT Commenter:Mm-hmm.

2:29:40Big Cat:I think she made a comeback. Oh, she did? She made a lot of comeback. All-time disappearance.

2:29:49PFT Commenter:Remember she did that? She scanned people on crypto, and then she did a Twitter periscope. And she's like, all right, I got to go to bed. See you guys. I'm pretty tired now.

2:29:59Big Cat:See y 'all tomorrow. Okay. I like that. Not enough people say, I'm going to go to bed to get out of accusations of fraud. Okay. It's not a bad trick. so yeah happy birthday to her happy birthday to me and you all hope you score a goal on Tuesday multiple love you guys

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