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28:54PFT Commenter:in a Stanley Cup final game. Yeah, but yeah, so MLB keeps it secret. The NFL plan refers to a near disaster as a common accident in which a team loses fewer than 15 players. A disaster occurs when more than 15 players are lost, what do they get to do? They would be required to play out the season, though they would have priority on every waiver claim. Okay, great. Sick. They get the waiver claims. All right, Shane, listen. Spin zone. Better now than, like, in the playoff push. I guess. No, that's a fact. If you're going to have an injury, you'd rather have it before the trade deadline, before the season starts, enough time to get your team ready, like, you know, continuity on the line.

29:45PFT Commenter:You don't want injuries, but if you had to pick a time, it'd be this than December. Yeah, I guess. Prayers. Okay. Yeah. But if it happens late in the season, you automatically get the first pick in the NFL draft. We could just tank on the season. Wait, what? If the disaster kicks in. Oh, no. I was just talking about the injury. I was talking about the injury, not the disaster. Yeah. Get Arch. Not for another two years. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I mean, his grandpa has shown that this is the plan. Those Mannings. He's going to wait. Do you think he would let Arch play for the Chargers?

30:31PFT Commenter:Yeah, for Harbaugh. Yeah. And it's LA now. I think that would change things. Yeah. I think that would change things. Okay. Anything else before we get to ourselves back in studio for the Mount Rushmore? I'm trying to think. I'm just looking real quick if we missed any big stories. Oh, the heat security guard. That guy's a scumbag, but he made a lot of money. Did you guys see that? No, what that guy do? There's a heat security guard who was just stealing jerseys for like five years, and he sold the jerseys for like$2 million plus. Among the items, a game-worn LeBron James NBA Finals jersey was reportedly sold by Perez for around$100 ,000 and later auctioned for$3.7 million.

31:16PFT Commenter:So he was just stealing all their jerseys and then reselling them. I don't mind the hustle. Kind of a perfect crime until you get caught. Yeah. Yeah. Former Miami Heat security guard appeared in federal court accused of stealing hundreds of pieces of team memorabilia. He's accused of using his special access to the equipment room to steal nearly 400 game worn jerseys, 100 of which he sold for about$2 million. Whew. Sounds like it was a victimless crime. Yeah, I mean, how did they find him? Did it was LeBron like, hey, I've been looking for that jersey? Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, if he was able to get away with it for years, then nobody was really that wigged out about it.

32:00So let the man sell. Let the man grind. Got to have a side hustle.

32:04PFT Commenter:I just imagine that guy was probably he was probably just wearing like an NBA finals Ray Allen jersey, just walking around his house. Yeah, because you can't like he probably couldn't. He had to sell it on the black market. Then it went on to, you know, real, real auctions. So he didn't give a fuck. He was just wearing he's just dressing in heat gear every single day. Game warm. Yep. That kind of rocks. I don't mind it. Yeah. Imagine if he was just using like Mario Chalmers jerseys for like, you know, bath bath rags and stuff. Everything in his house. Everything is his drapes. Yeah. He's got you Donis Haslam doormat.

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34:43PFT Commenter:Dead or alive. Could be anybody. Could be anyone. Anyone. Anyone. Yep. Could be anyone. Agreed. Now, memes out. Is Shane working with you, Max? No. Memes is still here in spirit. We've been texting. Okay. He's just not here for the - Will you ask him if you want Shane to help? Yeah, Shane, would you like to help? Dream Blunt Rotation? You're not ready for that? Shane is just shaking his head. Shane, we're going to need the undrafted free agents. You need to assemble a team. Yeah, we are going to need a team at the end, Shane. I would like to see Memes' reaction to you telling him Shane's doing the picks.

35:20Yeah. Max, I have a question for you. Did Memes hit you up and say Queen Latifah? No, he did not. Okay. All right. There is a Memes pick on here that I'm excited to talk about in the honorable mentions. Okay. All right. So it's already been put in the honorable mentions. Oh, yeah.

35:35PFT Commenter:I have a Zach pick as well that's very exciting. Memes is like insisting that I actually use this as a real thing. I think you've got it. No. H-Man? No. There is an H in there. Oh. Okay. Harriet Tubman. Okay. Got it close. All right. Let's rip it. So it's Zach and I first, and then Max and Memes, and then PFT and Hank. Hank's got the ball. Hank's got the ball for this one? Fully? No, we collaborated, but I mean, this is Hank's turn. Yeah, this is a Hank draft. What do you mean by that? This is a Hank draft. Because PFT is not a drug guy or because Hank's a drug guy? Not a drug guy. Neither one of them.

36:17PFT Commenter:There's a difference between drug guy and weed guy. Hank and I both quit drugs. Yep. Yep. Okay. At some point. Yeah. All right. Ready? I believe so. All right, so we have 1-1. We're going to go easy 1-1. Not overthink this. Stay strong. Don't break. We're going to go Snoop Dogg 1-1. All right. He's going to keep it. I mean, he's going to provide the weed. He's going to roll the blunt. Thought about Snoop Dogg. Not on our list, though. I like Snoop Dogg, but someone else picked it earlier in the year, and I said he was a criminal murderer. So I had to stay strong with that one. I think his weed would be too strong.

36:50That's what I was going to go with. Way too strong. But in the classic blunt rotation, Snoop Dogg is a correct pick. I'm staying true to myself. He might be my 1-1 of wouldn't want to be in a blunt rotation because I would get way too high. All right, so what's your pick? I'm going to go with Vibes, a guy that, like, no matter what, if you're going to be smoking weed with this guy, it's going to be good vibes, and it's a guy who is the ultimate good vibes guy. We're going to go with Adam Sandler. Wow. Good pick. We had him on the list. Had him on our list as well. Wow. That changes thing. That was going to be our 1-1-2.

37:27Okay.

37:31I agree with what Max just said. I also think you want to have someone who's a good storyteller, celebrity, and good vibes, funny, personable. We're going to go Matthew McConaughey.

37:45PFT Commenter:Okay. On our list. And similar, all-time storyteller, all-time guest, may he rest in peace, all-time vibes. We're going to go Bill Walton. Okay. Yep. Great guy to smoke with. I would imagine. Okay. He might, you know, microphone, he might hold on to the blunt a little bit too long. Yeah, I was going to say, talk a little. But the story is like, you know, you get him going with the group. For sure. The vibes would be all-time high. Absolutely. And I think the moments where Bill Walton doesn't make a lot of sense, he makes more sense when you're high. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. We're sticking with our vibes team over here.

38:26We're going to go with Adam Sandler, dead or alive, paired up with good friend Chris Farley. Ooh. They're number two. Oh, good pick.

38:34PFT Commenter:He did die from drugs. Not weed. That's okay. Yeah, but still. Not weed. We're talking about weed. Okay. What do we do here, Zach? Everything's out there. There's a lot of different routes we could take here. Yeah. What route do you think gets you? I don't know. Neither do I, which is not good. We're going to be paralyzed here for a second. Talk it out. Talk it out. talk it out um i don't hate six i don't hate 11 i don't hate you feel your voice is quivering a little bit there that made me a little nervous uh how many rappers are on zach's list uh he had a few he had a few um but i i we feel strong about some of our picks uh clearly yeah yeah we do all right zach do you want me to just try to take the ball here i think you take the ball and just go for it.

39:28All right.

39:29PFT Commenter:Our next two picks are going to be Dave Chappelle and Hunter S. Thompson. Okay. Oh, all right. What do you think about those two? Both good picks. We had Dave Chappelle on the list. Yeah. Hunter S. Thompson. Oh boy. Would that be fun? He'd just be fun to like spend a weekend with. Just talk to forever. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I feel good about that, Zach. Good picks. Yeah. We have too many, too many, too many people. This was too big. There's a lot. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot of people. It's just like I'm scanning Pick Tomator. Do we pick? That was one of Zach's picks. I kind of liked it. He would rock.

40:06Yeah. Memes has one of those. Yeah. No, yeah, but it's a good pick. It's a good pick. So pick him. No, I'm not going to pick him. Pick him, Max. No. Team game. I'm going to stay strong with my vibe here. Just ignoring memes. I'm going to stay strong with my vibe here. We're going to go with more of a weed guy, but still a good vibe guy. We're going to go with Seth Rogen. That's our third pick. Yeah, I don't know. Politics. He's so political. I don't know anything about that.

40:30PFT Commenter:Yeah, he's gotten very political. He's just like a pro weed smoker. That's the thing. I mean, you can't also say. How's it not the same as Snoop Dogg? Same thing. No, but his weed's going to be just as strong if not stronger. Is it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. We're getting high with Seth Rogen. Yeah, you don't want to be an amateur included in a pro blunt rotation. It's going to get messy for you. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair criticism. Okay. All right. Last two. I'm scared where Hank's going to be. I'll be honest. Oh, Hank. He threw some ones out there that I was just like. Be yourself, Hank.

41:05PFT Commenter:Let's not pander. Just be yourself. All right. 50. Give it to us. Hank. Hit the Jesus button. Ball in your court. All right. I trust my guy. I wanted to hit the Jesus button really bad. Hit it. No. Jesus is the 2026 or 2025 meatballs. I know. I'm happy that we're going to have a teammate because I would have taken Jesus like six more times this year. We have, yeah, we've got a lot of yappers. We've got the good vibes. We want someone, great laugh, good hang, but not too much of a, you know, he's not like a Seth Rogen weed guy where he's going to have the strongest weed in the world. We're going to go Gronk.

41:41PFT Commenter:Okay. I like that. Okay. Good pick, Hank. Yeah, just be fun. It would just be a fun time. Okay. And then this is my pick. I feel strongly about this one. Do it. All-time vibes. One of my best friends, PFT commenter. Oh, that is such a... Thank you, Hank. I don't know how that one's going to play. I don't know how that one's going to play. You can't do that. Hank wanted. My dream blunt rotation. Hank wanted. I tried to talk him out of it. Max. I'm not a weed guy. We've never done this. That's an interesting play. You've never been able to pick one of us. PFT just picked himself. I picked him. The team of PFT just picked himself.

42:18But that's Hank. That's Hank.

42:21PFT Commenter:You're voting on – It's team – The fans of our show are voting on this. That's bullshit. It's honestly not a bad pick. Come on. I'm a fun time. That's a dream. And you guys wouldn't argue against this if one of us picked it. No. I was worried that we weren't going to – it wasn't going to get to us. I think that's a crazy – I was very worried that Max or you were going to take him. No, because I think that's illegal. Hank and I have had some good sessions before. Hank knows I'm a good time to smoke with. That's playing – like you're playing to our audience and being like the guy who everyone listens to.

42:51PFT Commenter:You don't think that's rigging it a little? I think we waited because I was worried that someone else was going to take him. I'm happy he got to us. He was worried. It's never been done. You thought Maxwell? No, no, no, no. It has been done. When? You guys did it. When? You guys did it a couple years ago on the team. On what? I forget what. You need more. Yeah, what are you talking about? If you're going to make that claim, you've got to come up with me. If you're not the claim, then I'll listen to it. Oh, fuck. Where's memes? Call him.

43:22Hey, he's not wrong. I'm fun to smoke with. It's one of my calling cards.

43:26PFT Commenter:I mean, but you see how there's a huge... You can see how I was uncomfortable with the pick. No, but not even that. Hey, sorry. Wait, hold on, hold on. Before he says something, memes, do you... No, hold on, hold on. This doesn't matter. You should have a comment. No, no, no. I want to ask him a question. A couple years ago... This is my phone call. All right, I'll call you back, memes. Do you have a second? Yeah, I have a second. Do you recall when PFT and Big Cow were teammates on Mount Rushmore, they picked themselves for something? They picked themselves for something? Yeah, like as one of the choices.

44:00Ooh.

44:03PFT Commenter:I'm getting another call.

44:08PFT Commenter:Memes, what's up? What the fuck? Hey. Hey, we're doing the dream blunt rotation, and Hank picked PFT. Don't you think that's pretty crazy? Well, that's a loaded question. You should let him answer the question before you Crazy pals are not the best pick Oh Keep going why I probably would have picked Hank Oh Yeah you should have But you don't think for the voters The show they're listening to And PFT's on there Yeah But That could be a sneaky good pick Well that's what I'm saying It's also that's the point is that like it's pandering to a level. It's not pandering on it's not paying. They're listening to this show because it's not pandering okay.

44:55Hey memes hey it's PFT here but there was there an instance where me and Big Cat picked ourselves. That's a very important thing about that

45:06PFT Commenter:I can't remember well you got to come with better I knew you're going to come with this and you know well no I didn't think you guys were going to object this hard. I'm not objecting that hard. I just think it's kind of crazy. Stop saying that. You don't want to smoke with PFT? When you have the list of the whole world, I've smoked with PFT. Max took Matifa. Yeah, that's also not... How is this a dream blood rotation when you've already done this? You smoked with PFT. You could pick anyone from the history of the world. It was one of the best sessions I've ever had. That's one of the best times ever.

45:38PFT Commenter:You smoked with PFT multiple times. That's why we keep doing it. I'm letting the pick Sam, but it's the most blatant pandering of all time. Because you could pick anyone from the world. I honestly kind of agree with Memes, though. It's probably not a great pick. I don't know. The four, like the rotation that we have would be a dream. Okay. Memes, do you have that? Yeah. I don't think.

46:05PFT Commenter:Canceled stuff? Things that have been canceled? That would be Barso Van Talk, which wouldn't be us. show and that's also you i love i love how hanks eating ice cream cone in the middle the entire and honestly plays for this draft though yeah true yeah all right hey great talk bye okay all right you can have anyone dead and alive and you pick someone you've smoked with many times again like i feel like you're disrespecting pft no i'm not okay i'm a chill guy i can deal with Okay I mean our other option was the Rizzler And that was Yeah I wanted to do the Rizzler I feel like the Rizzler would be a good one for the graphic That's a great pick Just blow it in his ear Probably his first time he smoked What was the Harry Tubman one Wait we're not done Hank You're giving away great picks I know that you finished your ice cream You guys can take Big Cat No No, I'm an integrity guy here.

47:09Yeah. Max doesn't mind to smoke with you.

47:12PFT Commenter:No, if you had the whole world, I would hope you wouldn't pick me. The whole history of the universe and everyone, every dead or alive celebrity, I would hope you wouldn't pick me. I guess I just love you guys. I don't know. Pander. I love you too, Hank. Thank you. It's the most. All right. What's going to happen is we're going to finish in last, and it's going to be absolutely devastating for me. No, because the fans are going to vote for you. Fans are going to vote for you. Go ahead, Max. See, my last pick is really throwing me off here because I wasn't too – I was kind of just thinking of Seth Rogen as – Talk us through it.

47:48As like a funny, smoking comedian guy who's in a bunch of funny movies and he's a funny guy. And my next pick is also a funny guy. Rob Schneider? No. But it might – I'm just going to stick with my pick. I'm going to go with Shane Gillis as my last pick. That's a great pick.

48:03PFT Commenter:We had him on our list. That's a good pick. He's a drinker, but yeah. But that's okay. Yeah, yeah. That's a good pick. No, it's a good pick. My problem is, are they going to be at odds? I didn't know the political affiliation. Would you expect Shane to show up and to start performing for you? No. What? Just make some jokes. He sits down. You're like, all right, Shane, you're on. Here's your weed. What? No, there's a lot of funny. Having funny people in a room, it's not like there's four comedians in that room. Yeah, it's true. It's not like you're asking one person to be funny guys. Did you think about the cohesion of your group?

48:40Yeah. You have Shane. You've got Seth. No, that's what – Who else you have? Adam Sandler and Chris Farley. I think that's a good list. That's a good list, yeah.

48:48PFT Commenter:All right, we're thinking cohesion as well because we wanted to have people that we know can all handle their weed. No one's going to be calling to go to the hospital because it got a little too high. Our last pick is going to be Marshawn Lynch. That's a good pick. Very good pick. Very good pick. Very good pick. Great hang. I like that. All right. So many honorable mentions. So many. Can I say the memes one? Yeah. And then I'll say the Zach one. Memes was insistent on Helen Keller. Oh. I don't know why. Why? I think we should call him and get, like. Why? Ever since you first brought up this Dream Blunt rotation, he, I think he wants to, he wants to get to the bottom of whether she is actually what she says that she is.

49:28PFT Commenter:But she can't say what she is. I know. So Helen Keller's mom is what you want. No, no, no. A real person. Because memes You know how there's like The internet meme That she was just lying Well her mom was lying I guess But he wants to He wants to get to the bottom of it To get to the bottom of it But if Give him another Let's give him another call You call him I'll call him Alright call him Zach's pick that I loved That didn't make the cut Well he's not gonna be able to hear you guys That's fine just ask him Just talk him through it Was Yellow Eminem Okay He just He said that he thinks Yellow Eminem's always high He does seem like the chillest one, yeah.

50:05Chicken Joe was the cartoon that we were talking about from Surf's Up. Okay. I'd say Yellow M &M and Patrick from SpongeBob would be kind of the same vibe. Patrick's good. Good vibes on that one.

50:16PFT Commenter:Zach, rip off your honorable mentions because you had some good ones. I do think Crush the Turtle from Finding Nemo would be a good hang. Yeah. I also think that Yoda would be a good hang. Yoda's a great call. Brian Griffin is a dog for Family Guy. He might be a good hang. Smartass. What are our thoughts on going Zuckerberg? No. Yeah, it was kind of. Weed isn't like mind control serum, so I think he would call the cops on himself. Maybe Tom from MySpace. Yeah, he'd be a better hang, I think. Tom from MySpace had it all figured out. Yeah. Cashed out for like$750 million, never heard from him again.

50:53That is the dream. I think the Rizzler would have been a great pick. Yeah. Hank thought it was child abuse. I actually was shocked this pick wasn't taken.

51:01PFT Commenter:and Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah, he just sometimes can get too much. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck he was talking about. We thought about that with Rogan and thought that same thing. We also had Albert Einstein on there for that reason. Trump. Okay. Trump would be funny. Remove politics from it. But yeah, in this theory, everyone's smoking a joint. He could be called the police or the ambulance. Jesus. He gets too high. Leo DiCaprio. Yeah. We had David Attenborough. Okay. Just calmly tell you animal facts. Yeah. Keanu Reeves. Yep. Nick Cage. Wiz Khalifa. Yep. Michael Jackson. Yep. Harambe.

51:38Xavier Leggett would be a great one.

51:42PFT Commenter:Harambe would be good. We had - If you made a switch, I might have gone Harambe. Just pander even more. We had Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky together. Okay. Solve the crisis. Get it figured out. Say one thing you like about the other guy. Yeah. We had Prince. Billy Strings Ozzy Osbourne Steve Irwin What do you guys think about Johnny Osbourne? Steve Irwin, we had Johnny Osbourne there Would he make you do some crazy shit? No, I think he'd just have great stories Miles Teller Charles Barkley We had Mac Miller, but he got a little sad at the end of his life So I didn't want to You took Chris Farley Yeah, but Chris Farley is Basically the same exact thing Willie Nelson Yeah, that's a big miss.

52:30Yeah.

52:30PFT Commenter:I feel like Joe Budden could be a good hang. Yeah. No. No? There's so much talking. He's a yeller. Joe Budden is a – Bill Walton kind of the same way. They call it the microphone in the rotation where they just take the blunt and don't stop talking, don't give it up. Joe Budden, I feel like, would just – Yeah. Ramos, I'm there to listen. Ramos would be good. Norm MacDonald. Norm MacDonald was on our list too. So I thought about just going that entire crew of that prime group. Who would your fourth have been? Spade? Maybe Chris. Probably Chris Rock, yeah. That would have been a strong list. I think you guys are going to win.

53:13Mello. The Seth Rogen thing I'm nervous about. He is very political. That I didn't know about. Yeah. I feel like it's good to have one guy who was a smoker in the group. He rolls a blunt? Yeah. Plato? Plato. Tim Lincecum? Yeah. He's a big-time smoker.

53:33PFT Commenter:And I feel like he doesn't open up at all, and it would be awesome to hear some stories. John Daly? Oh, yeah, Shane, we need your honorable mention. Your free agent draft. Oh, Zach had Shaggy from Scooby-Doo. Oh, yeah, that would be a good pick. Scooby for Scooby-Doo You also had Rihanna Yep Oh we had Miley Cyrus That would have been a good one We had Martha Stewart as well Rihanna's a good pick John Madden Although I feel like he would call the cops No he would just giggle Make sound effects That's what I thought about Batman Maybe a cop Yeah Batman might be a cop Maybe arrest us right when we light up What do you got Shane?

54:15PFT Commenter:Make your four I had Crush was my one-one, but most of them got listed. Crush, Keanu, Ricky Williams. Ooh, good one.

54:28I don't – Nicolas Cage. Kelso from That 70s Show. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just the character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Smart. Yeah. You don't want to get into this. You don't want to get into this. You don't want to get into this. Yep. Okay. Yeah.

54:44PFT Commenter:Alan Iverson Yeah That'd be fun Nate Diaz Nate Diaz would be fun I feel like with Nate Diaz You'd end up hitting each other Gregor would be If we did a dream coke rotation Yeah That would be a good Zuckerberg spot Just get all his best ideas Take him away Nick Cage Yeah Would be sick Sitting in his legs Vince Vaughn Owen Wilson oh yeah Vince Vaughn would be fun I think did we say Bortles we didn't we all said Bortles Bortles would be good Bortles would be fun too yeah Kevin James How about Kevin James' pick? Yeah. Well, I'd say it because you told me it. Great pick. I actually think Jesus would have been a good pick here, Hank.

55:35Yeah, could have played. Yeah. Jesus would be a chill guy to smoke with. We got podcast Jesus, basically. The hair. Respect, Hank. You know exactly what you do. I understand where Hank's head is coming from. I just don't know if it's going to play. It's not. It is. I don't think it is. I think it is. I don't think we won this draft anywhere close. I think it's our fans. We'll see.

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58:03PFT Commenter:howie roseman okay we now welcome on a very very very special guest he's the architect of two super bowl championships uh it is our grit week interviews presented by hey dude it is general manager executive vice president is that your official title you can call me whatever you want Okay, it is Howie Roseman. Howie, thank you for joining us. We start every interview Grit Week with the same question. I'm actually going to change it a little. How do you define grit in players you're looking at and maybe how it shows up when you're scouting guys? Adversity. You want to see how people are handling adversity, overcoming adversity, and that could be in different areas of life.

58:44That could be off the field. That could be on the field. But we know how hard it is to play in the NFL. we know how hard it is to play in Philly. And so we understand that there are going to be moments during the course of the season, moments during training camp, where guys are going to face adversity. And what are they doing to respond to that? So we are looking for guys who have had adverse situations, overcome them. And you can go through our roster. It's funny because I was thinking about what I was going to say at the Super Bowl parade. You know, and Bob Lang, our great PR guy, says to me, hey, you know, you got to speak for a couple minutes.

59:22And I'm like, what am I saying? Like the night before at like 1130, I figured out. I'm like every single one of our players, our coaches, our staff, I think myself, you know, have overcome something in their life to get here. You know, you just can go through the team. You know, Lane Johnson was a Juco quarterback, you know, best right tackle to ever play the game. Obviously, Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, his team didn't want him. I mean, Devontae Smith, third receiver. I mean, I could go through every player on our team, you know, and then I got hit in the head with a beer can and everything changed.

59:52But, you know, I think that that's really how I would define grit. I would say Jalen is a great example of that. Like the fact what he went through in college and how he responded to that, he just seems like the right type of person that you would want in your building. Is that like when you were breaking him down before the draft? Was that a major factor in how you evaluated him? And he kept getting better, you know. There was constant improvement. This guy was working on his craft. Every part of the process you saw from when he was a freshman, and people forget he was the SEC Offensive Freshman of the Year.

1:00:24This wasn't like this guy hadn't had success, but everything that didn't work for him, he worked on to improve. He continued that even when you saw him at the Senior Bowl to the Combine. It was the same for him when he was here, from the time that he came in during training camp, because that was the COVID year. We didn't have an offseason with him. And then you saw him play towards the end of the year. He kept getting better and better. And so when you have guys who you got to be talented, you know, at the end of the day, like it's hard to play in the NFL. Like and so at the end of the day, all of these things are really important, but you got to have physical ability, too.

1:00:58So he had those and you looked at him and you saw kind of what was winning in the NFL and how successful he was even winning in college. And quite honestly, we didn't think he'd be there when we picked in the second round. You know, it was kind of like, yeah, we like this guy. I probably not taking him in the first round, but yeah, this guy is still sitting there in the second round. That would be a gift. So I think that's kind of how we felt. We were joking with Trevor Lawrence when we had him on the show a couple of weeks ago that he didn't lose enough growing up to like be able to respond to adversity, which we were like, we're busting his balls about.

1:01:31And we were taking that seriously. But is there anything that you would ever look at it and be like, I don't know how he's going to respond because he's just been on great teams his entire career. Yeah, I think that when you're looking, if you're looking at a charmed life, and not a lot of people have a charmed life, you know, especially as you get older and these guys that we're getting, you know, they're still 21, 22, 23. Something in their life has happened to them that they've had to respond to most of those guys. But I think you got to dig into that, too. And some guys are fortunate to have great upbringings and just football gods have preyed upon them, freaking great physiques and great careers.

1:02:07And you don't want to penalize them for that either. But it's very few and far between that you find guys like that.

1:02:14PFT Commenter:Yeah. You mentioned adversity. Your story is awesome. And I always never know what to believe when I'm reading up on someone on the internet. So you were a football fanatic from a very young age playing fantasy football. What was the first year you played fantasy football? Um, I don't know. Yeah, it's before it became big. Um, but I would say like, you know, I, I remember I grew up, you know, my first experience of football, I was six years old and, um, the Jets and Dolphins played in the AFC championship game and AJ Dewey had two interceptions on Richard Todd. And I was like crushed, you know, and, and I don't think I missed a football Sunday from that time on.

1:02:53And, you know, when I was growing up, I, I want to play quarterback, you know, in the NFL and I realized really quickly that wasn't going to happen, but I loved everything about the game. Um, I loved, um, while studying it, watching it. And this is the only thing I ever wanted to do in my life. And it was like, you know, to everyone who was around me, it was so far fetched because I didn't have any connection or anything. And, um, I think I was just fortunate that at least I knew from an early age what I want to do. So at least, you know, my psychopathic tendencies came out early, you know, so I could kind of, you know, stalk people at an early age and try to get into the NFL.

1:03:28But obviously just fortunate to get an opportunity.

1:03:31PFT Commenter:So the story goes that I read that you sat next to John Elway's father on a plane. Yeah. And he kind of gave you the time of day where he's like, you know, you're 10 years old, but he's actually listening to you and being like, this kid knows football. And that almost like. It changed my life. It changed my life because, you know, I was going to visit my grandparents in Florida and sit in the back of a plane and I was reading like a draft preview. And, and, uh, I was wearing a Yankees hat and he just kind of tipped, tipped my cap. And he said, Oh, my son played for the Yankees. And I'm like, who's your son?

1:04:01And he's like, John Elway. And he just sat and talked to me, you know, at the end of the plane, he handed my mom business card and said, you know, um, have them keep in touch with me. I've never met a kid that young who's this passion knew so much. And, um, of course she threw away the business card, but I had, I finally had someone who believed in me, you know, and I held onto that for a long time. And the first time I met John Elway, I told him how important his dad was to me after one meeting. And that's everyone needs someone to believe in. Yeah, that's incredible.

1:04:30PFT Commenter:Just a crazy circumstance. So. All right. So so that happens when you're 10. And then I was reading more about how when you're trying to get in the NFL, you're writing letters to every team trying to get your foot in the door, which is hard to do. Was it every single team? It was every single team. And what was the letter? It was just like, I'll do anything. You know, I want to work in football. I want to work in scouting. You know, give me an opportunity. You know, I'm not asking for money. And I just would collect rejection letters, you know, which was great because it was awesome because it really allowed me to to not care in my social life.

1:05:08You know, so if like I saw I'm like, shit, every freaking NFL team's rejecting me. How hard is it to go ask a girl out? you know, my wife, you know, so it was a great lesson to me, you know, about people are paralyzed by the word no, you know, and you got to get past it in life. You know, a lot of people are going to say you can or no. And so it was a great lesson for me, but it took a long time. Yeah. I heard that you would also send thank you letters for the rejection. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I got really my first call. That's crazy. That's a cuck move. Yeah. That's crazy. Like, thank you for, thank you for your no but then that stands out in your head though you're probably thinking well if they see the thank you then they might say yes yeah that's no no doubt you know there was an ulterior motive i'm sitting there and i'm going maybe they think i'm really nice you know what i didn't realize was they thought i was a psychopath yeah they really did and um but that got me my first call from mike tannenbaum who's the pro director with the jets and um he basically called me um i had this like at the end of the time there was caller id you know and i saw like new york jets football club.

1:06:10And when I grew up, I was a diehard Jets fan, you know? And, um, and so I see this and I'm like, you know, which one of my boys is pranking me? Like, this isn't funny. And I'm like, hello. And it's like, Hey, it's the New York Jets. And I'm like, yeah, that's funny. You know, cause at this time I was already rejected so much and Mike got on the phone and he basically was like, you know, I got 15 minutes for you. You know, I I'm calling you because I was looking through my resumes at the time. That's how you did them. And, um, After every one of my resumes is like a thank you letter for me basically saying we have nothing.

1:06:41So like, what's your deal? You know, what's your story? So and then I interviewed with the Jets with him and Coach Parcells, my first interview for a personnel job. And I didn't get the job. And I was talking here. They were giving me this like, keep a surprise of your of your plans, you know, which is basically probably that letter they gave to everyone. And I made a connection with Joe Banner's assistant. I said, call the Jets. And Joe Banner called Mike and he goes, is he really psychopath? And he's like, well, maybe you just interview him. I mean, I might be. And Joe interviewed me, found out I am, in fact, a psychopath, but for some reason hired me.

1:07:15And that's how I got started. That's awesome.

1:07:16PFT Commenter:And then in your growth, getting your foot in the door, you came on as kind of a salary cap guy. When did you shed the salary? I'm not just a salary cap guy. Because I'm sure that was probably difficult to do. Yeah, it was a different time. You know, and so we were we started at the vet and Coach Reed had just started and it was a really small organization. And within a year, we made a change to GM and we brought in, you know, a huge mentor to me and may rest in peace, Tom Heckert. And Tom was a young guy. We brought him in. I was a year in and I was the only holdover in the front office. And so for him, he didn't know any difference.

1:07:53So like he'd be like, what do you do? I'm like, I do pro scouting, college scouting, cap. And he's like, all right, cool. you know maybe a little bit of a fib you know but and um and then he started bringing in uh people like uh ryan grigson and matt russell and jason light and john spitek and you know these gms now and around the league and just the staff and we were all like in our 20s and you know we go to training camp in lehigh and we'd hang out and we drink because there's nothing else to do till our staff meeting and just talk ball and and these are still some of my best friends in the world you know, and, um, and so, you know, I, I had this, like, I guess it's, it's how other people go through work, you know, and I guess, you know, you go to Google or Amazon and I, I was surrounded by these unbelievable people and coach Reed and think about how many guys on that staff became head coaches, you know, and Jeffrey and Joe.

1:08:45And it was just, you know, we're all, we're all productive who we're surrounded by. And I was surrounded by such great people who gave me the insight. And if I showed, I could do something well, like coach Reed used to say, listen, if you know the cap and you got that going on, I'll give you more, you know, and then if you start finding players, I'll give you more. And that's what he did. You know, I started doing pro scouting and then I found a little niche there. And, uh, then he's like, you got to go on the road. You know, I was like, I gotta go on the road. I got it all in front of me. You know, I gotta go on the road.

1:09:14He says, you gotta go on the road. And for two years I was out on the road and doing 30 schools. And, um, and it was, it was so smart by him because it was like, you need to feel what your scouts are feeling. You know, you need to feel the frustrations of missing flights and, you know, going to schools that give you a lot of information that give you little information. And, um, you know, I'm very fortunate that I was around people who gave me the opportunities that they did to be well-rounded, you know, and then, uh, you know, I, I got this GM job so young, but I was still surrounded by these great people.

1:09:44I was coach Reed and, um, Jeffrey and Joe was our team president. And, um, and you think, you know, everything, then you get your ass kicked. Yeah. Yeah. Understanding the cap is something that it's completely eluded us. I think we have a general understanding of what a salary cap is, but like the finer points of it and how you, you know, you can kick the cap down the road, but then that can turn into cap hell. Like how, how did you learn the ins and outs, the salary cap? Yeah. I think really when I got here that there was no one better than the lead than Joe Banner. Like he was unbelievable and he was signing guys before everyone else was doing it.

1:10:19He understood it. And, and it was really like the early stages of the cap. And so, um, I got a, like a graduate degree in that and understanding it. And, and from my perspective, it's always about the players, you know, we, we could do as many creative deals as we want. We got as much cap room as we want, but we're not going to be any good if we don't have any good players, you know? And so we got to get as many good players as we possibly can. You know, for me, it's not about, you know, winning some award for being under the cap or cap management. It's about having really good players and winning a lot of games.

1:10:54And so everything we're doing is in an effort to fit as many good players as we possibly can on every year's team as long as I'm here. How creative have you gotten with the cap? Well, you know what? At this point, I got really good people on a day-to-day basis. And basically I'm saying like let's figure out ways to get creative. You know, let's sit down and let's figure out ideas. Let's figure out ways. Let's keep as many good players as we possibly can. And also understanding that with that, we're going to have to lose players over a period of time. Like if you look at us since 2022, we were in the Super Bowl in 2022.

1:11:30Watch this. Zero, zero of the defensive starters are still on our roster. That's insane to me. And it's not like they're not playing in the league. You know, we have zero starters from that 2022 defense on our team. And we're three years later. So, you know, there has to be a process where you're still kind of moving on and going forward. And that's the hard part of this. The guys that have done so much for this team, guys that you draft, that you care about as people, and you have to basically say, hey, we got to move on. And it's like, why me? You know, like, why me? Well, you're keeping all those guys, you know.

1:12:06So I think that's the worst part of the job.

1:12:08PFT Commenter:Was there a rule, a cap rule, maybe like 10, 15 years ago that you were able to figure out before everyone else and then they maybe close that loophole? Because I always love that when when front offices are thinking so far ahead that they end up having to change it because you were you figured out before everyone else. Yeah, I'd probably have to think about that a little bit. You know, and again, I think that the most important thing for us is like we have to bring talented players in. Like none of this matters if we don't draft well, you know, if we don't resign the right players, you know, none of that matters.

1:12:41So like from my perspective, the cap is a huge tool. But again, it comes down to people, you know, and bringing in the right people into your building, the right players into your building. and when you get a chance to draft guys sign them and see those guys you know come in at 22 23 single you know and then retire with one team you know they got kids they got a family they're like hey i'm staying in philly for the rest of my life i mean it gives me chills talking about like that's special shit yeah are you a georgia merchant are you allowed to say yeah shit fuck yeah you can say

1:13:13PFT Commenter:shit fuck you can say whatever are you a georgia merchant um what does that mean you just you just take players from Georgia. It's like not that hard, Howie. Well, you know, that team's good. I'm just going to take all their players. I went to the University of Florida. Okay. Wow. Can't beat them, join them. I know. It's fucked up. I think from my perspective, it's like when you look at that Georgia defense that won the national championship, that was an unbelievably talented team. To say, like, we go into the drafts and say, hey, let's go pick three guys from Georgia. Who knows what everyone else is going to do.

1:13:48You know, it's worked out that way, but it's really helped our team because when you have young players on defense, chemistry is important. Communication is important. And these guys have played a lot of high level ball together. And so you have this young group of guys who have already that history together. So some of the learning curve, some of the learning curve is gone because of that. And it's kind of special to see, you know, it's kind of special to watch, you know, when the Colby's playing linebacker and he knows what Jordan davis and jalen carter is going to do and nolan's going to do and then he can look back and he sees keely like it it's it's like they've but they have they played together for a long time you get the same benefit that you get from a defense that has been together for three four or five years so it's pretty cool yeah and also just the concept of drafting good college football players is a smart that's a smart concept for you to bring into the nfl it's like yeah these guys were national champions i think i think they're probably pretty good is he taking a shot at my no no he's being honest.

1:14:44PFT Commenter:It's very funny for people to overthink it and be like, wow, he just takes Georgia players. But I mean, they're pretty good at football. Yeah. And I think like as a young gen and you know what you like, I'm sure, I mean, you guys are great, but experience does matter a little bit. You know, you don't think that when you don't have experience, like, fuck that. I don't need experience. And then you get it. And it goes back to this grip part. Like you got to make mistakes. I make a lot of fucking mistakes. So for me, if I don't learn from the things I'm doing and correct them, then I'm not that smart.

1:15:14So, uh, you got to go back and look where have I made mistakes? And I can tell you where I've made mistakes, why I've made mistakes. And if I do them again, well, then that's a problem. Yeah. Do you think that, that other GMs are afraid to pick up your call sometimes? I would say in all honesty, that my favorite trades are good, good, you know? And And I really don't – I hate that because I'm really looking to give fair value. I hope not because everything that I'm doing, it's a small fraternity. I mean there's not even 32 of us because some GMs are owners or other people or head coaches. So you look at it and it's like you don't want anyone to get shit for a bad deal.

1:16:00I've gotten shit for a bad deal. It doesn't feel good. So if you can find win-win situations, you know, if I have a need and you have a need and I can help fill it and it works, especially if you're in the AFC and we don't got to play it to the Super Bowl, that's a beautiful thing, you know. And I think that's the key. Let's try to find something that works.

1:16:16PFT Commenter:Are you addicted to accumulating draft picks? You have 13 coming up? 13. 13. Do you kind of go to bed at night and be like, maybe like a little note under your pillow being like, I got 13 draft picks coming up? Because that's fun to have. That's a good number. It's a good number. It's a good number. The chances that it stays that way before the draft next year are probably slimming down. You're going to get more, you're saying? Or trade an hour, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever it takes. It gives you an option to improve the team this year. It gives you an option to improve the team next year, maybe even the year after.

1:16:48I think the way it worked, the only upside to losing good players is the comp pick form. Yeah. So we were able to get that. But lost a lot of good players for that. But you know what's really fun during training camp is when you get to watch college players now. And you're like, I know the draft's in May, but this is a great time, especially a day like today where we have a walkthrough. And you can watch college guys and go, man, I get to see that guy. And maybe we got a chance at this guy, you know, because of the amount of picks that we have. Do you still ever get out on the road to see anybody in person?

1:17:21I haven't the last couple of years. but my oldest son is going to college in the fall and it's going to give me an excuse to kind of go out. The last time I went out, I didn't go out all last year. The year before in 2023, I went out to a couple of schools, SEC, but I'll make it to the ACC this year. You know, we got a Hall of Fame coach in the ACC. Now my son's going to school in the ACC, so I'll get a little ACC action. Can you still like to this day, Is it so much different seeing somebody in person than it is watching all the film that you can get your hands on? I think that at certain positions, you've got to see live, you know, and you could see live at the senior bowl.

1:18:02You could see live at the combine. When you're talking about a quarterback, like you want to see that guy throw. You want to see how the ball comes off the fan. You want to feel the velocity. You want to feel the arm talent. You want to feel the presence, you know, of that guy. I think that the information that we get, you can do so much work at your desk. You know, we used to go to camp in Lehigh, you know, and we didn't have all our systems set up. But it's there's nothing better than going to a college campus and walking around and getting the energy that you get from it and going to practice.

1:18:31But, you know, a great GM told me told me a long time ago, he said, you know, he said, it's hard. You know, you never see the captain of the ship go ashore, you know. And so he said for his perspective, it was hard to get out during the course of the year. And that always stuck with me. You know, I heard that in 2015, Ernie Corsi, what a great GM. And he said that. And for me, it was like every time that I would go out as a GM, and I used to go out more in my first phase of it, the phone would ring. And they'd go, hey, what about this? What about this? What about this? And so you spend half your time on the phone.

1:19:08Yeah, yeah.

1:19:10PFT Commenter:What's your best draft pick? They're like fingers on your hand, man. Give me your top three. Well, I'll tell you from my perspective, what was really cool is my first draft was 2010. That was BG. My second draft was 2011. That was Jason Kelsey. My third draft was 2012, Fletch. My fourth draft was 2013, Lane. And then I got my ass kicked, right? I got my ass kicked. I was out for a year. And those guys always stood by me. Yeah. They always believed. They always trusted me. They had always had my back. You know, it would have been very easy for them when times were down to just kind of not do that.

1:19:56So those four guys have been with me so long. And so to not have those guys here, you know, losing some of those guys, thank gosh we still have Lane. But those four guys, we had just been through so much together, you know, literally life and death, births and families and championships championships and so those guys are special but that doesn't mean they're more special to me than you know all the all pro players we got on this team right now that i care about it's just a a cool special story to have those four guys you know before really we had the the success we we had made the playoffs together and done stuff but to see those guys uh win a world championship in

1:20:36PFT Commenter:17 together yeah when you say you're out for a year do they actually move you all the way across the building yeah that kind of sucks yeah yeah it was humbling for sure and um for me it was probably the best thing that happened to me because um i i was so fortunate early in my career to keep moving and keep moving forward and and be a young gm and to take a step back and and to understand some of the things i did and some things i could do better certainly never thought i'd come back here and be the gm but i got a chance to visit with so many great people like unbelievable people, mostly in the sports world, but also in the business world.

1:21:14And I think it really shaped me, um, to kind of help come back and, um, you know, be fortunate to have some of the success we've had here. What was your job title for that one year? Didn't matter. They just, they just picked one. It didn't matter. It was really like, you know, I felt like my most important thing was I had to support the people that counted on me, you know, and, um, a lot of us have been together, you know, our security, I mean, everyone knows big Dom, you know, um, our equipment guys, our video guys, our training staff, like we had been together so long. And so like, for me, it was like, don't worry about me.

1:21:51If there's anything I could do to help you, just let me know, you know, what can I do to support you? And, um, I just felt like I needed to do that the right way. Like it was so important that I did it the right way and was positive and brought energy no matter how shitty I felt, you know um so it was a great learning experience and um i think again like i don't know that i would trade it for anything even though you know it did suck and you won a super bowl two years

1:22:17PFT Commenter:later yeah yeah do you are you worried that like if you have a couple down years that jeffrey is like we're gonna move howie across the building just out of like good luck and then we'll win a super bowl two years later yeah you know um i would do that if i were the owner oh would you Yeah, I'd be like, wait, what worked last? Something about that. I think I'm over that. I think I'm over that. I think I'm going to keep fucking walking. Yeah, yeah, okay. Fair. Did you think about leaving when that happened? I think most people would, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that, you know, I think the thing for me was Philly's hard.

1:22:51So I knew, you know, how it came down kind of hard. It wasn't like I had job offers like being thrown at me during the time, you know, because of how much shit I was taking. So I just felt like I had to deal with it. I had to deal with it. I had to deal with it again. Like to me, I dealt with adversity before, but to me, that was a huge lesson for my kids. You know, the people around me, like, I'm going to take this like a man. I'm going to be stand up guy. I'm going to do whatever I can to help people who've helped me be in the position I am. And, you know, we'll see where we are in a year. You know, I didn't think that I would be in that role, you know, for a long time.

1:23:27But again, I think it was really good for me. And it really reminded me of my values in football, what I was looking for. And a lot of the things that I did as a GM for those first four years weren't really consistent with how I had visions of really doing it. So except drafting BG, Kelsey, Lane, and Fudge. Do you think that part of the shit that you take is because it's so fun to say, fucking Howie. Is it fun? Yes, it is very fun. fucking howie let's hear it let's hear it say it go uncle no no no that was a different fucking howie you can do it in a positive way that was the happy that was the happy you told me to say fucking howie that sounds

1:24:16PFT Commenter:here i'll do it right jalen rager fucking howie yeah there you go do you ever do you ever like they just like you know daydream yeah i think that everything all my mistakes everything that we've done has led us to a certain point and and you know what's the hardest thing is like i can tell you every pick of the picks in the sixth and seventh round free agent signs i fucked up like i my mind is so fucked up that that's what i think about all the time yeah i think about the mistakes and i'm like man what was i thinking what was i doing and at the end of the day it goes back to your point you know sometimes you draft for need sometimes you draft for role you know and you're going man you know we really need this role we really need this position in this player and that's all the times you mess up it's just too hard to find good players and when you start saying like i gotta find this role i gotta find this position and so now what i say is like a team's gonna win the super bowl this year hopefully it's us or our team last year we weren't perfect you know you could go before the super bowl i'm sure you guys were saying hey i'm worried about this on the Eagles.

1:25:22You know, I'm, I'm the chiefs went two zeros before. I'm sure you're looking at their team and going, Hey, I w they, this is their weakness. Every team's going to have a weakness. And if you think you're going to come out of draft and get every need fixed, you probably had a shitty draft, you know? And so it's like, you just got to take good players. It's so hard to find good players. You accumulate good players, hopefully at important positions and everything else works out. And so I think like when I think about my mistakes, it's like going into an off season and saying, we need this, you know, well, you can't make something up.

1:25:52You can't invent something, you know? And so I think that that is probably my biggest lesson in the free agent draft process. Like if you, if you go into it saying, I need something and then you change your grades, you change kind of your criteria for the position, you're probably going to fuck it up.

1:26:07PFT Commenter:Is it intentional? Cause I've noticed this with your drafts. And I'm wondering if it's, it's intentional, but you, you have at times been like, Hey, we're stacking kind of the same position. where it's now something that maybe was a weakness is a super strength because we have depth there as well. Is that an intentional thing? Yeah, no doubt. We're not just going to be like, oh, we took a cornerback so we can't take another cornerback. Yeah, especially if we're talking like the third day of the draft. We'll double down on stuff. Understanding that it's hard to hit on third-day picks. So we'll double down on guys with unique skill sets who may need development.

1:26:40And I think from our perspective, the biggest problem you get into is if you don't take shots on those, I'll say to our staff, hey, we have a year or two before this becomes a big fucking problem. So we better take, if we don't get one early, we better take chance on guys who have traits, who have football character, who we think we can develop because this is still a developmental league. And at the end of the day, when you look at it, there's no other profession. I love when I say that I've never worked in any other industry. I've never got to get by another. But there's no other profession where you go into and you expect the person in their first year to be elite.

1:27:14and we do have those expectations we expect the rookies to perform like veteran players and perform a lead and if they're not they're shitty you know and uh i think from our perspective if guys have tools in their body they have the mindset they want to be developed with our coaching staff with our performance people with our developmental people what can we get out of them and um i you get a little cocky when you get a jordan malata you know you get a little cocky you start going man you know we get traits and uh want to and you know maybe something like that happens probably never happened again but are you only a cycle like this about football or are there other sports that you thought you might want to work in nothing else nothing else uh always football i mean i like to play in other sports um but to me i the team building aspect this sport it was always that you know someone said that to me the year i was out hey would you want to get involved in baseball or basketball i love football um the the every aspect of it i love i love the competitiveness.

1:28:12I love the talent level of our players. I love the skill level of the coaches in this and the competitiveness, you know, and I really feel like it's the greatest game with the greatest people and feel very fortunate to be part of it. You're pretty good at it. I'm curious to know, like if you're making a phone call and let's say there's a player on another team that you're interested in inquiring about, do you call and do you say, do you have an offer for them ready or you do ask them, what would it take to get this guy? Yeah. I, I will first, you know, I don't like, I feel like a lot, I used to waste a lot of time.

1:28:44I'm watch a guy and then call. So most of the time I'll say, this is what I'm looking for. Would you be open? I haven't even watched the guy and then I'll call back and then I'll try to be direct on, on kind of compensation and where we're at on it. Um, because I like when people are direct with me. So, um, if guy's not going to be available i don't want to waste the three hours to watch him do work on him do cohab on him and do all that um i'd rather see when something's real and then work the shit out of it and try to bring it to a head that's so if adam peters called you up and said i'm interested probably the wrong probably the wrong is out big dom i'm interested big dom what would it take to get big dom well it's funny because um it's funny you said that because we did a coaching search and i take big dom with me i take big dom with me wherever i can you know why wouldn't you yeah It was fucking fun.

1:29:35We like food. I thought you were going to ask me if I was passionate about anything else like football, and I was going to say food. I think I have a tapeworm, undiagnosed tapeworm. And we took him with head coaching interviews. I won't name the team, but after we hired Nick, other coaches got hired from that coaching cycle that we interviewed. And one of the GM, one of the coaches I saw at the combine is like, man, I love Dom, you know. And the GM comes up to me and says, I'm going to take Dom from you. I'm like, oh, you are? You are? And he goes, yeah, I'm going to take Dom. And he's like, I'm going to offer me, gives me the number.

1:30:09And I go, my man, you are so far fucking off on Dom. I want you to go talk to Dom and offer that to him, knowing that Dom's going to go, what are you talking about? But, you know, certain people just, you know, make this job even more fun than it is. And being with him and being able to do this with him and relying on him, you know.

1:30:34PFT Commenter:that's yeah because we we obviously have fun with big dom we know him and he's a great guy so welcoming but like you've talked about it you you do rely on him for your draft analysis where it's like hey take a look at this guy let us know what he's made of kind of thing so is he he's actively like helping you guys out where it's like hey i can figure out you know is this guy going to be wired the right way for us yeah i mean i'm i'm 22 years with dom me and dom and we started, you know, I started on the side of the table of the vet and he started, you know, sleeping in hotel lobbies, doing backup security, you know, so we started together and, um, we have an unbelievable bond.

1:31:11And again, like, uh, marriages, births, deaths, like we've been through it all. And so to totally trust him, um, with my life. And so from my perspective, he's got a great feel for players. You know, he understands players. He understands our players. He understands what we need, what I'm looking for. And so if I'm torn on a guy, I'm torn on the guy's fit, I'll send him down. I'll say, hey, go to this school and go hang with this guy. Go to the combine, spend an hour or two with this guy, and I need you to sign off on him. Right. And I don't even tell him what – he knows I'm interested because I won't waste his time.

1:31:49but from my perspective because I know if that guy comes in and has an issue and I haven't gone through it well it's my fault you know it's very easy for me to do and he all he wants to do is help this team win yeah yeah he seems like the best what about yourself do you evaluate yourself and I would imagine that if you did you're probably evaluated on different metrics from from ownership then you might evaluate yourself on a day-to-day basis right yeah I think what So for me, I have incredible passion for this. I go to bed at night thinking about our team and our roster. I wake up in the morning, think about it.

1:32:26I go on vacation thinking about it. I love it. I love it. I have incredible passion for it. And I think that it's probably hard to work for me because I have incredibly high standards. And I know there's a lot of these books that talk about like, don't micromanage, manage, you know, like give people the leeway to do it. Well, you know, I, I tell Nick, you know, those are probably not people who have a Wikipedia page with their record on it. You know, like at the end of the day, we have a record, you know, we win or we lose and there's a right way to do things in the wrong way. And, and I feel like we, we have a process.

1:33:03And when that process gets out of hand, I get upset. You know, I want it to be the right way because it is really hard to win in this league and we're competing against great teams. And so, you know, when it doesn't go that way um you know i'm gonna take it over and um i want to be involved in every single thing that we do i want to know everything that we're doing um there won't be a guy that we bring into this building that i don't watch you know because at the end of the day um i say tell our scouts if if you like a guy tell me and i will watch him but we're not gonna draft him if i don't know about him you know because i don't want to stand up in front of god and everyone and talk about a player that I have no idea who he is.

1:33:42And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but that's how I feel. So for my standard, it's my responsibility. I got to take accountability when things don't go right. And I'm not going to be perfect, but I'm going to try my best to be perfect. And so the mistakes kill me. And I think about our process, free agency. If I could have had another guy in one another direction, I think about what I'm thinking about in that, why I made that decision. If I'm picking between two guys in the draft, I let the other I go, I will follow that guy freaking religiously and beat the shit out of myself on it. And I just, I want us to be great.

1:34:18You know, I really do. So how many do, does every scout get a stand on the table? Like that is my guy. You know, we do, we do, we do, we have a red star meeting where guys get to put a red star on one guy in the draft and basically talk about why they're their favorite player. And that's character, play temperament, skill set. And it's really fun. It's a fun meeting to do. And we ended up taking a lot of those guys because those guys are easy to like. You know, our guys know what we're looking for. And so they're guys that are fun. And when we go through our drafts, you'll see our content team will always come up.

1:34:57And they'll show a red star meeting. And it'll be like, oh, we got that guy. We got that guy. Yeah, because those are the guys we're passionate about.

1:35:02PFT Commenter:Does it have to be within the range of your pick? because I would just cheat if I was a scout. And this year, I would have been like, Abdul Carter, that's my red star. Yeah, I love that. You got to bring a giant into Philadelphia country. Do they have to be in the range? They don't. They don't. Oh, okay. So I could cheat. They really don't. You could cheat. I could just take the number one consensus pick every year. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't show a lot of growth as a scout. That doesn't matter. I'm fine with plateauing. If I can work for an NFL team. March Manning. No problem. Red star. Red star.

1:35:31Red star guy. I'm fine with that. I know. but everyone's in the room our coordinators in the room our owners in the room you know all of us

1:35:39PFT Commenter:are in the room think about how sick it would be if they're like oh damn abdul carter was pretty good i told everybody smart i mean well how do you think i react in that moment right there i'm i'm gone i give that glare yeah do you know that uh this show is actually listened to by a lot of scouts which always shocks us whenever we go on the road uh and they always are like yeah we just want to turn our brains off and listen to basically two guys be wrong about football oh yeah and i i take that as a compliment you know what we're on par with this perfect i can join in yeah perfect but they just they're like we're like you listen to us you know so much about football we know nothing and they're like yeah that's the fun of it because i we just kind of laugh it i'm glad i can i can add to that you know what you know what's funny when you're swigging that i thought you're swigging mezcal oh that'd be wild you brought a nice gift of Mezcal for everybody.

1:36:29You're going to get us drunk. I'm excited. Appreciate that. Thank you. Fosforo Mezcal. Has anybody ever pitched you some crazy pseudoscience? I think I've got – I cracked the code to figure out whether guys are going to be winners or not. Oh, my gosh. I delete those emails so quick. We have one. You want one? What do we got? I was going to say, yeah, if you have long hair, you can't win a Super Bowl. As a quarterback. As a quarterback. Never been done.

1:36:51PFT Commenter:Never been done. Interesting. Yeah. Think about it. Something to think about, Howie. Something to think about. You don't have a quarterback now. But, you know, in 10 years, 15 years, hopefully Jalen plays for a long time. You're still here. Long hair quarterback. Is it at any point in their life? No, it's probably because Tom Brady has had long hair. So if we get a quarterback with long hair 15 years from now, Jalen's career is done. And he comes in, I can tell him to cut his hair and then we're good. It's over. Yeah. Behind tight. These are the things we think about. Bob, send me that email right now.

1:37:21Yeah, yeah. I can remember this. Why don't I just give you the key to the kingdom? I should have kept that one to myself. Yeah, you should have. I just like the draft advice that Bill Belichick said, which is I like drafting guys with big asses. Do you spend time looking at guys' asses and be like, that's an NFL ass? I really feel like that's a loaded question right there. So I'm going to stay away from that one. Body types. He's got a motor.

1:37:47PFT Commenter:Yeah, but you need a big ass. All right. Well, Howie, this has been awesome. I have one last question. Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20 % off your first purchase. qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take uh what point of the season have you been an auctioneer in your past life that was freaking good it's it's basically our our play call yeah so i i have it down it's the only one i can get uh at what point of the season do you have to like let go is that is that a weird question because i know obviously there's always fringe moves you can make but is there a moment in the season that you're like i kind of cooked it let's to see how it goes out how it goes i always joke you know i'll say to nick um roster cut day once we do practice squads like uh let's go like i'll like throw him my key as i'm like leaving that night i'll throw him the keys and i'm like here are the keys you drive yeah and um but that's not really true because we still got the trade deadline i feel like it's really trade deadline yeah after the trade deadline it's like this is what we got is that a nerve-wracking thing or kind of a freeing thing?

1:38:48Um, it's a nerve wracking thing because at the end of the day, shit happens in the NFL and you lose guys. And at that point you're all in, you know, and you can't really do anything about it. And, um, if, if something happens, you're going to have to find different ways to do it. And, uh, I think from, from my perspective, being this so long, you've had times where you get to November and December and you lose somebody and you're like, damn, I wish the trade dilemma was still going, but you know, that's, that's why we got good players and that's why we have a team and um and so i think that's really the moment where it's just like all right you know i'm on to 2026 and and uh this is what we got you know it's interesting because last year we didn't make any trades with trade deadline which is like unusual you know i'm sure you're saying fucking howard that was probably the last one yeah we don't we don't really we don't really do that often at trade deadline so they should make it later because we're trying to you know teams would get more desperate and there'd be more activity but they want to i understand they want to also keep interest alive more teams in the playoffs you know you you don't want to do it it's just like what what you talk about like nobody's making a trade that they don't think's in the best interest of their team like nobody has some jedi mantrix shit going on that it's like you will do this move with me and then it's like it happens you know i think you just did it to me yeah if there's anyone it's you but yeah go ahead Way to get us off the set.

1:40:11Yeah, you can take Jane Daniels. But I think that that is a constant conversation. We moved it a little bit later this year, and we continue to have discussions like that because it is fun. I mean, I even – you asked about other sports. I will watch the baseball trade deadline. Curious because I have a lot of friends who are GMs in baseball. What are they doing? How are they adding to their team? I don't know all those players as well, But I love seeing how teams are doing that, how aggressive they get in an effort to win a championship. Because when that confetti falls, man.

1:40:48PFT Commenter:It's got to feel pretty good. Somebody just ripped one? Yeah, that's what it sounded like. Someone just ripped one? We just got a good rip? That was you, Shane? Shane, did you just rip one? In front of Howie? Fucking Shane. How could you do that? That's how he was saying.

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1:42:52PFT Commenter:Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, recurring guest. I think fourth time. Yeah. Fourth time? It is Von Miller. This is Grit Week presented by Hey Dude. Von Miller on the Washington Commanders. I feel like we're just following you around because I think we interviewed you in Denver, in Buffalo, and now here. Great to talk to you. Actually, we might have interviewed you in L.A. too. Yeah. So, yeah. We're going to wear a tour, man. Yeah, we're doing it. So, we start every Grit Week interview the same. What does the word grit mean to you? Grit. You know, I'm thinking of the work type of fashion and, you know, just coming in, working, early mornings, late nights, barely eating, just putting the work in.

1:43:38If I'm thinking of, like, the other grit, it's that grit that's in the bottom of your shoe and you walk around with no socks on. Would I take the first one, though? I'd take the first one. The way you described it, it sounded like you were talking about chickens. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I mean, you know, chicken farming is a gritty job, too. Let's talk about the birds. Yeah, they're gritty too. Wake up early. Yeah, wake up early. Don't eat that much. Go to sleep late. Yeah. Produce everything for you. You know, it's funny because when somebody calls you a chicken, it's kind of like cowardly. But if you ever like watch like roosters in the coop, they're really some of the toughest animals in the animal kingdom though.

1:44:14They're pretty cool. We got to take that word back. Yeah, we got to. I feel the same way about the word pussy. Pussies are like the strongest things ever. Like they're, think about it. They're delicious. It's so strong. We all come from one. Yeah. It made us who we are today. Yeah, see? Yeah, we all in the same spot. Yeah. Yeah.

1:44:32PFT Commenter:All right, so how's the, you know, you sign with the commanders. You're on the commanders. You're new. Really, actually, the only question I was really worried about asking you is, have you farted around the guys? No, not yet. Okay, but are you holding it back on purpose? No, I'm with the guys. We are grown men. If I have to do it, like, I'm going to do it. But, you know, I've only been on the team for – it's been a week and a day. Okay, because your reputation does precede yourself. They'll see. They'll see. But I haven't got there yet. I haven't got there yet. Are you waiting for somebody else to fart?

1:45:04No, I just – I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's my diet now or whatever it is. I just haven't – it hasn't been crazy like it normally has been. I don't know what's going on.

1:45:12PFT Commenter:Are you nervous that, like, the first one, like, you know – No, I'm going to let it rip. It's a little squeaker. And you're like, oh, dude. I'm going to let it rip, but I'm not going to show a reaction at all. and I'm just going to act like it's normal. That's Dan Quinn's favorite saying, let it rip. Yeah, I'm going to let it rip. I'm going to let it rip. And I'm 36 years old with other grown men. I'm not going to have a reaction at all. Okay. So when you signed with the commanders, I was telling these guys, like 30 minutes later, I got DM from you saying, like, when are we going to do the podcast?

1:45:38Yeah. You were excited to come on part of my team. Is there any take that you're, like, looking to get off your chest? No, I just, you know, I really enjoyed the show, man, and I just wanted to keep it going. And I know this is your team. and, you know, I just wanted to be a part of it again. I love it. We appreciate you and welcome to D.C. Can you still get after the pastor? Yeah, I can still do that. That's one of the easiest things. That's what I do best in life. You know, I might not be as fast or as quick as I was, like, when I was 21 years old, but, you know, that's one of my gifts. That's what I do better than anything else.

1:46:10You know, I rush the pastor. You know, I'm a comedian. Y 'all are supposed to laugh. Yeah, I laugh.

1:46:16PFT Commenter:I was waiting for a fart. I was going to say that's really funny. But, yeah, I mean, rushing the passers is one of my gifts, man. And like I said before, it might not be like it was when I was 21, but I'm still pretty effective. Have you thought about how many years you have left? Is it, like, in your mind? Or are you just trying to be like, hey, I'm taking it year to year? Yeah, I'm just taking it year by year, man. You know, whatever God gives me, I'm going to take it. I had said before, you know, you don't want to get kicked out the league, but you don't want to leave too early. And I'm still in that sweet spot, man.

1:46:46And I still, you know, get I still get butterflies in my stomach when I'm going to work. And, you know, I still enjoy going to practice. I enjoy being around the guys. I still enjoy, you know, playing football in the National Football League. So as long as, you know, God gives me an opportunity to do it, I'll do it. Did you you obviously enjoyed your time in Buffalo? Did you like did you like the cold weather? Yeah, it grew on me. It definitely grew on me. You know, I actually started to love the cold weather. the whole Buffalo Bills fan base and the whole Buffalo Bills organization they they're just the shade of the quarterback and the head coach and they have a really great head coach with Coach McDermott and Josh Allen is fucking Josh Allen so that whole city that whole organization that whole fan base is just the shade of those two guys Buffalo is a hard place to get to but it's even harder to leave man and I'm gonna miss those guys man I'm gonna miss Brandon Bean you know I'm gonna miss those guys.

1:47:40Nate Breski, Joe Mika, you know, Ed Oliver, you know, Greg Roussel, all of my guys that I kicked it with, Josh Allen, man, I'm going to miss those guys. Yeah.

1:47:49PFT Commenter:Did you end up having a favorite Wings place? You know, I didn't. You know, I'm a chicken guy. Yeah. So all the Wings were great. All the Wings were great. But, you know, I spent most of my time at home too. You know, I got kids and stuff. So my chef was really good. My chef Nick, shout out Chef Nick. Shout out Chef Nick. Yeah, he did a great job, man, and he made sure we had everything at home, so I spent a lot of time at home in Buffalo. You look like you're in pretty good shape. Yep. Best shape of your life? I wouldn't say the best shape. That's a good honest answer. I wouldn't say the best shape, but I'm in pretty good shape.

1:48:25Honestly, out of my 15 years playing in the National Football League, this is probably the best I've felt two weeks into training camp. DQ does a great job. There's no pride or no ego behind it. you know he's not trying to get the guys callous he's not trying to make the guys hard he's just he wants the guys to you know be healthy he wants us to be sharp on our playbook sharp on our assignments wants us to be tough guys for sure but he wants us to be healthy uh

1:48:53PFT Commenter:most importantly man and i really appreciate that what so the best shape of your life we joke about it because training camp starts and every media you know outlet is like oh here this guy's shocking everyone do you guys see that you do you like you know see the media talking about it and be like Like, all right, this is just training camp. Like, who the fuck cares? Yeah, I mean, it's really not much to talk about at this point in time. Except that. Yeah. Except that it happens every single year. It's really not much to talk about, you know, but, you know, the headlines have come soon enough, and we just got to get out this phase of, you know, the first two weeks of training camp.

1:49:25Then we start playing preseason games, and there'll be more to talk about for sure. Yeah. What's your mindset in terms of, like, young pass rushers? Do you fall into the camp of people who are like, yeah, I'm going to mentor them, I'm going to work with them, show them what I know? or are you like that's not really my job to teach them that's the coaching staff's job my job is to make the roster and have a starting spot my job is to make sure we have the best team that we possibly can have if that's working with the young pass rushers cool if that's talking to the third string safety cool is that if that's giving input on special teams cool if that's talking to coach about stuff that I did at other places cool all I want to do is win and I I do whatever it takes to win.

1:50:05You know, when I was young, I used to hate when the old guys used to come up to me and be like, oh, we used to do it like that, we used to do it like this. You know, back in my day, I never wanted to be that guy. So as I get older, I do more listening than anything else. But if it's a place for me to interject some knowledge, if guys ask me a question, man, I'm an open book. I love, you know, paying information that I have for it. It's not nothing that's coming from me. It's things that I've learned from, you know, DeMarcus Ware, Aaron Donald, Peyton Manning, Andrew Whitworth, all the information that has been paid to me before, I just pay it for.

1:50:39So I'm not telling none of the guys, none of the stuff that I was doing. I'm telling the guys what I should be doing, but I do more listening than I do talking. All right.

1:50:46PFT Commenter:Along those lines, has there been anyone in all your travels who has asked you to teach them the ghost move and they've been able to actually do it? Yeah. Yeah. AJ Epinesa in Buffalo. You know, we talked a lot about pass rushing moves, and he's like 6 '6", 6 '5", 6 '6", and he's real, real bendy, and he was able to do it. But I told those guys, like, out of 129 sacks, like, I probably got a sack on a ghost move five times. But it looks so cool. Yeah, that's what gets highlighted, the spins and all that stuff. But, you know, I tell them, like, that's just the curveball. That's just the knuckleball.

1:51:23That's not what I'm leading with. I like to get off the ball as fast as possible and I'm just able to react to whatever the offensive lineman is doing. I'm not a big move guy. I honestly think pass rush moves are overrated. Really? Yeah, out of my 129 sacks, 90, 95 sacks have come off some type of speed to power element. So my stress is speed, so I win mostly on power. Power guys, their stress is power, and they win on finesse moves. So it's just the opposite. It's just playing a mind game. But honestly, I really do think pass rush moves are overrated.

1:51:56PFT Commenter:You're saying because you're a speed guy, you win a lot on power because they're set up for the speed, and then you hit them with the power. Yes, sir. That's awesome. I mean, yeah, I guess that would make sense. It's something that we love watching the highlight ones, but when it comes down to it, the stronger, faster guys usually win. Yeah, it's how fast you can get from point A to point B. Not really a big move guy. Most of my sacks come from some type of speed to power element. Ghost move is awesome, though. It is cool. Because then the guy looks and he's blocking nothing. And it gets a lot of views, and everybody likes doing it.

1:52:26But, like, you know, honestly, I don't do that stuff a lot. But it's just a knuckleball off of my speed rush. If the ghost move doesn't work, then that looks really bad on you. Yeah. You 15 yards up the field and a guy saying, what is he doing? And then quarterback scramble and go for a first down and everybody looking at you crazy. Yeah, for sure. When stuff don't work, that's on and off the football field. When you're trying something and you're trying to hit a home run and it don't work, you definitely look stupid out there. So in all your travels, have you run across a teammate that has been like, dude, you kissed your dad on the lips?

1:52:56no man that was like so that was that was years ago that was years ago that was a wild face time it was as a father you can appreciate now i still talk to my dad about that though i still talk to my dad about that though and you know whenever like i'm watching you know sometimes it comes up with tom brady and stuff but yeah and my dad watching it you know i still try to kiss my dad on the lips too but his reaction time as he's gotten older he's gotten a whole lot faster like he'll be asleep and I try to like come kiss him on the lips and he just be up quick like he just be I've been trying to do it ever since then but he's like you know he's he's he's on top of it now what about your kids move you gotta go you gotta go power on yeah I just I gotta just hold his arm down yeah he would be so pissed he would be so pissed what about your kids are they

1:53:45PFT Commenter:are they going the other way where they're like because you're trying to kiss him on the lips no So honestly, like, I don't do that with my kids, but my oldest son, Valor, he's a class clown. Like, he is just, he's an identical version of me. So I know whenever he gets older, I'm going to catch so much hell from Valor. And, you know, when he sees this interview 20 years from now, he'll probably be holding me down and forcing me to kiss him too. But no, I don't really like ingrained in those guys early. No, I don't. You holding your dad down to get a kiss on the lips is so funny. Gotcha. It's so funny.

1:54:18PFT Commenter:You did ayahuasca with Aaron Rodgers. How was that? It was amazing. I didn't know what to expect. Done magic mushrooms and all that shit before. I wasn't sure what to expect. I was invited by Jordan Poirier. And when I went, I didn't even know A-Rod was coming until we got out there and he told me Aaron Rodgers was coming. I had met A-Rod before, and we got a personal relationship before. We used to work out at Proactive in L.A., played against him a whole bunch of times. But I didn't really know what to expect, man. And, you know, that ceremony went in and just spending that week with A-Rod, man, it was definitely life-changing.

1:54:54Really? People ask me about ayahuasca and what it does. Really, it just boils down to it just creates awareness about everything in your life. And it was definitely eye-opening for me. I try to go back at least once a year for sure.

1:55:07PFT Commenter:Yeah, what about that tent that's so hot? So that's the tent mezcal. It's really like a sauna. Yeah. It's got like a spiritual element of it. But, you know, whenever you do hard things and you're able to get through, it's this sense of empowerment. It has so many different, like, meanings involved in it, too. You know, the night before, I think it was our second ceremony, like, I was just sweating like crazy. And, you know, you're supposed to be quiet in the ceremony. And I was like, bro, I couldn't be quiet. I was like, bro, there's no fucking way it's this hot in here. And everybody started laughing and we were talking about it, like, the next day.

1:55:41And it was like, you know, we got Tim and Scout the next day. And I was like, man, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it. Like, I'm going to get in here and, like, I'm not going to be the first one to leave. But when somebody leaves, I'm going to be the second one. Yeah. Yep. But we just – everybody just kept everybody accountable and nobody left. So I had to, like, tough it out, man. And I'm glad I did because it definitely showed me so many things about myself. It's all good vibes in there. I imagine it's like you have to be – everyone's got to trust each other, right? Yeah. So many good vibes, man.

1:56:05And I think doing it my first time with A-Rod, and I think that was probably his 15th time, that was Jordan's second ceremony. I think having it be my first time doing it with those guys that were experienced, I definitely drew strength from those guys, man. Like, you know, being with A-Rod and just feeling his energy, man, and, you know, he was just riding that wave, man, and you look up and he's dancing and enjoying it. It definitely showed me that I can get up and dance too. So that first ceremony was definitely amazing, bro. And, you know, I'm a huge advocate for Ayahuasca. I try to go back at least once a year.

1:56:37PFT Commenter:Did you – there was no chance you brought up football at any point in this trip, right? Would that be weird or frowned upon? Would A-Rod talk about – no, we didn't talk about it. We talked about life and, you know, so many different correlations in life that you get from that. And, yeah, just being around a guy, you know, his life is totally different from mine. He deals with, you know, things that are totally different from what I deal when I deal with things that are totally different from him. But being able to be around him and his energy and his aura and all of those guys, man, we were able to just draw strength from all of those guys.

1:57:07That's awesome. Did it change the way that you approach your career or your job? Yeah, 100%. It just showed me, you know, you get caught up in football, especially football players. We just want more, more, more. Like more money, more contract, more houses, more clothes, more females, more, more, more. And sometimes more isn't what you need. Sometimes it's just really dialing in to what you have and, you know, really just staying grounded. And I really realized when I was on that trip that, you know, nothing in life happens by coincidence and what's for me is for me and if it's not it's not and that i drew peace from that some people might get scared about that you know i control what i can control but at the end of the day you know if it happens it happens and if it doesn't it doesn't and i and i have a sense of peace from that yeah very cool so uh i'm very excited to have you in dc very excited to watch you get after the passer here have you found a guy is there a guy that went to texas that you can start just fucking with right off the bat no so when i first got here So Coach Pagano was my coach in Denver.

1:58:08I was with him for all the OTAs and half of the season before I got traded to L.A. And Coach Pagano, he's a senior defensive assistant here. So he knows me. He knows, like, I'm a jokester, class clown, prankster. Like, my first couple of days, you know, I was just trying to figure it out. I didn't have my driver's license yet. You know, when you take mom's car out, when you don't have your driver's license, you're driving with, you know, high and tight seat belt on, like, seat not reclined, music down. You're really just trying to get the lay of the land. You're not trying to get pulled over. But when you just start to learn the guys and be around the guys, now I can let the seat back, turn the music up, put the tent on the car.

1:58:45So I'm really just trying to learn the guys. And then through that learning period, my personality has started to come out. But I'm a weekend now. The guys know me now. It's the first fart. The first fart is going to break the ice. It's going to go crazy for sure. Yeah.

1:58:59PFT Commenter:When you played on the Rams, you won a Super Bowl, What was it like playing with Aaron Donald? Is he the strongest guy that you've ever seen in a locker room? Yeah, man. He was amazing, man. Just that's one of the – the energy about Aaron Donald, man, was great, man. And that honestly – leaving the Los Angeles Rams and leaving Aaron Donald specifically was one of the hardest things that I had to do and go to a new spot. We had just won a Super Bowl. Aaron Donald, one of the greatest defensive players that ever played. Never mind what the offense does. Never mind what we do on defense. Me and Aaron Donald running games together and being able to rush together, we was going to get sacks.

1:59:35And we only played half a season together. So that was one of the toughest things that I had to do, man, is really leave that situation and go to the Buffalo Bills. I got a lot of respect for Aaron Donald. He had won everything. He had led the league in sacks. He had been defensive player of the year. He did everything but win a Super Bowl. And, you know, his mentality and his mindset, his aura was all about winning Super Bowls while I was there. And it was just a joy to be around, man. He was a great player to be around. Not just him, but Jalen Ramsey, Leonard Floyd.

2:00:06PFT Commenter:That was a really good defense. Greg Gaines, all of those guys, man. It was a joy to be around those guys. It was hard to leave. That defense or the Broncos defense? The Broncos defense was pretty insane. Yeah, it was. I don't like to get caught up in comparisons because somebody's going to see this and be like, what? You mad? No, we can beat those guys. But I tell you what, both of those teams were special. And it's like having two kids. You love them both the same, but they both different too. But I love them both the same. There's been a lot of discourse about that Broncos team because people talk about Cam Newton.

2:00:41I think they're doing Cam Newton, Jalen Hurts comparisons. You have to compare everything. But that's led to people being like, oh, Cam wasn't that good. He's not as good as you remember. But, I mean, you've matched up against him. You played a great game against him. Can you just talk about Cam Newton as a player and how special he was? Man, Cam Newton playing, he was a hell of a player. Not just that 2015 season, but leading all the way up to that 2015 season. He was the prototypical quarterback. He set the stage for all the quarterbacks now. He can run, he can throw, he was big, he was strong, he was fast.

2:01:16He had great personality and charisma. And I saw that interview with Cam Newton. I think people just don't like Cam Newton, so they just shooting at the messenger. I think it's the hats. His message was legit. They don't do that with everybody else. People can say this is top 10, top 5, and they never say that to any of those other guys. They never compare their careers. They just go with the message. But since Cam Newton was such a great player, they always try to compare him to whatever he's saying, whatever quarterback he's talking about. But he's definitely qualified to have his opinion for sure.

2:01:47Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? It's like he can say that, but if he's got like a wide brim with a full peacock tail on top of it. Yeah, his style is different. His style is different. His style has always been different. And just because, you know, it's foreign to us doesn't mean that it's not cool, though. But it's cool to him. He's the coolest guy on the planet. Yeah. Like we had him in the office and it was like, he is so cool. It's unreal. I'm just saying that if you were inclined to disagree with him already, the fact that he's wearing that hat makes you disagree harder. If you don't like his swag, you don't want to hear.

2:02:17You don't wear anything that he's talking about. But he's definitely qualified to say whatever he wants.

2:02:21PFT Commenter:Yeah, when he beat the fuck out of those two guys and his hat didn't even come off his head, you saw that video? That was like, okay. Because if you can keep your hat on for that, he's just... He's huge, too. He was at the Pastoral Summit two years ago. He just happened to be in Vegas, and we had an after-party at Liv, and he had came. And his hair was up to... He seemed like he was seven foot tall. And he had got bigger, too. I was like, geez, this guy's fucking huge, though. But, like, yeah, Cam Newton, he's qualified to say whatever he wants to say. He's a quarterback. He's played at a high level all the way up from high school, college, NFL.

2:02:55Like, people just don't like the messenger. It's not really the message because this message is legit. But they just don't like him, so they just start attacking him.

2:03:03PFT Commenter:All right, because you can't compare. What's your favorite color combo uniform you've worn in your career? Oh. The ones that you felt like you were the fastest, you know, you put them on. Man, Denver all orange. The color rush jersey is in Denver. Just so sweet, man. And, yeah, being away from Denver and, like, you know, at first it's like, yeah, I'm on a new team. And, like, as time goes by, like, you just miss those days, man. I had spent so much time in Denver, man. They're doing so many good things with that organization, building a new facility and new stadium, and everything is just going crazy.

2:03:37Got a good team now. You're just like, damn, man. Like, it's like seeing your old girlfriend with a new guy and she's happy. You're like, damn. At first,

2:03:50PFT Commenter:you won the breakup because you left, and then Nathaniel Hackett. So you were like, wow, that's a mess. Yeah, I'm glad I'm here. But now she's starting to get in shape, and she's starting to look good now, and she's bouncing back. And you're like, dang, I should send that hey big head text. Yeah. All right, I got one last question. Great personality on Nathaniel Hackett, though, we should say. Yeah, he is. Great, too. We had him on Grit Week that year. And so it took us like maybe 10 weeks before we started criticizing him. It was a blind spot for us. We tried to take care of our own. But yeah, maybe not the best head coach.

2:04:23Yeah, it just didn't work. And maybe it just didn't work with the Russell Wilson combination. If you would have Aaron Rodgers, you know, it would have been a little bit different. I know people in Broncos country were banking on that reunion and kind of had to go with plan B with Russell Wilson. Yeah.

2:04:38PFT Commenter:All right. I got one last question. Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20 % off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code TAKE. Kind of a tough question, but I want your, because you're honest with us, and you actually give us honest answers. Have you thought at all about your Hall of Fame acceptance speech? Has it just ever creeped in your head? Yeah, so I've been to four Hall of Fame ceremonies. Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Peyton Manning, and DeMarcus Ware. And whenever I'm there and watching those guys go through their speech and like they're just so great at and it's just so motivating like I think about it when I'm in Canada like I think about like what I'm gonna say who I'm gonna have like intro with me um I think about those things whenever I'm there but when I come back to my team like I got my head down and I'm and I'm still trying to you know add to that legacy for sure because it is kind of cool I mean you're still playing and you're a no doubter hall of famer you know that yeah like deep down you just know it you know you're gonna be voted in so it's kind of a cool feeling I'm sure it's cool and like at that those small moments in time whenever i'm watching the hall of fame game or whenever i'm there like watching guys that i played with go like i think about it then but other than that man i still got my head down and i'm still trying to add to that legacy and i'm still trying to add up that uh that invitation list like i want guys from washington to want to come yeah guys from buffalo to want to come and you know i care about what i care about what these guys say about me man and what these guys think of me man and i'm still trying to win over these guys so that's when i focus you got to kiss your dad on the lips on the stage i will That's where you do it.

2:06:13I will on the stage, man. I'll hold him down. I will hold him down. It's five years after you play, too, so he probably won't have enough strength. I will bear hug him, and I will kiss him on the lips. A big, wet kiss. You got any personal goals for this year? Man, I just want to go out here and be the best pass rusher I could possibly be. Last year, I had shades of me getting back to myself. But the way we played, you know, I was a designated pass rusher. I definitely play a lot more here. and I just want to get back to playing my style of football, man. DQ and Adam Peters have been so supportive in the type of pass rusher that I want to be and the type of pass rusher that I can be and I just want to go out there and just play my style of ball.

2:06:52I'm healthy. I'm two years removed from ACL, maybe three years removed from ACL. Every day it feels a whole lot better. They do a great job keeping us fresh. The Buffalo Bills did a great job keeping me fresh too. I'm not comparing that, but here it's just different. They do a great job of keeping me fresh, man, and y 'all should be ready to go fast on Sundays, Mondays, and Thursdays.

2:07:13PFT Commenter:Love it. Well, thanks, Vaughn. Always love having you on, and we'll be there in Canton when you're all free. I got to send y 'all some chicken, man. Yeah. I got to send y 'all some chicken and some swag, man. Green and Pastures chicken. Also, will you do us a favor? Will you just maybe throw out a tweet when you let the first one rip around the boys? Yeah, I got you. Yeah, yeah. It happened. It happened. Yeah, just say it happened. No contact. I appreciate you guys. All right, thanks. Thanks, Vaughn. Vaughn Miller is brought to you by Pepsi. You guys know that food deserves Pepsi. Pepsi makes your food taste better.

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2:08:11PFT Commenter:Henry, you are up. Yeah, Fyre Fest. Although it's good and bad. It's bad for me. Good for the program. Good for my friend. Good for my, what are you, subject, student, employee? He's your mentee? Oh, you're talking about me? Apprentice, yeah. That's you. Yeah, I'm your bitch. Oh, no. But yeah, PFTA, we posted a video on PMT YouTube, getting them ready to internet invitational next week. Shot at a million dollars. We played nine holes. It wasn't a competition. It was just for practice. But if it was a competition, PFTA beat me. So I've had to live with that for like a week. Yeah. Actually, Hank, it's interesting you brought that up because my fire fest was going to be that every time I play golf with Hank, not on camera, he beats me.

2:09:02And I have to deal with that. You know, like that's more impactful to me mentally than if it was on camera, because I know that Hank beat me and he played really, really well when we weren't on camera. But every time I don't know what it is. Every time we play on camera, I just I beat him and I beat him convincingly. But it's the other times. That's what really gets me. I've been beating myself up over that.

2:09:23PFT Commenter:I'm sorry. Wait, breaking moves.

2:09:29PFT Commenter:We got a purple dildo. Oh, no. Oh, it's getting out of control as the buzzer was sounding in the Chicago Sky game. Is it a buzzer meter? It was. It was. I can't believe that. All right. Let's we're out on dildos. I think now that we know it's crypto scams. So PFT, you're saying that you lose to Hank when the cameras aren't on. Yeah. Like for the last two years since I've been actually playing golf, since I got my own set of clubs and a bag. for some reason whenever Hank and I play off camera he beats me but people don't know that because every time that we're on camera we played against each other I beat him and people don't know that this one wasn't a competition for the record but it wasn't a competition but you do keep scoring golf yeah it's true and so when your score is lower then you're the winner and it's just like every time it's on camera I happen to win those and I think people are getting the wrong idea that Hank might not be better than me at golf, but when people aren't watching, that's when he plays really good.

2:10:33PFT Commenter:Zach, do you have something to say? Because memes is cracking up right now. He just loved buzzer meter. Oh, okay. Nice. I'm glad you liked that one, memes. So yeah, that was going to be my fire fest, but I'm telling you guys, I think I can win the internet invitation. I think I can. The way I played today hank's been a great coach uh no i want to take that back hank has been a good ceo but he was a real piece of shit at our bunker practice i've never never known how to hit out of a bunker so i'm out there grinding i've got a coach shout out will smith that was actually his name uh teaching me how to hit a bunker shot and i'm trying i'm trying i'm practicing shot after shot struggling to get it down uh but i'm working hard hank comes in taps me in my shoulder and goes you mind if i give a shot show you how it's done during my practice hank steps up to the ball hits it off the pin oh and then hands me the club back he's like all right that's how you should do it and then he's acting like he's doing a favor by showing me how to hit a bunker shot it was we got it almost got into a physical fight in front of my new coach and he had no idea what the hell was going on i was like this guy's a fucking asshole you don't understand hank's a fucking dickhead hey pft hit i'm not joking 10 shots in a row like directly into the face of bunker was just rage swinging like i know pft he was rage swinging like going negative like going negative progress and i was just like take up take a second like i'll hit one take up take a Let me show you how it's done.

2:12:17And then he wanted to start rage hitting me. But after this bunker practice, I learned how to hit a bunker shot. I hit several good ones today. I shot a 44 on the front today. Oh, yes. So pretty happy about the way things are going right now. We'll see which PFT shows up next week. But I mean, if my rounds against Hank or any indication, I tend to play pretty good when the cameras are on.

2:12:38PFT Commenter:Yeah, you maybe need to just carry a picture of Hank in your golf cart and just always be thinking about playing against him, and you'll just dominate. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, just like, oh, maybe we can get a little Hank doll, and you could just have it swing in front of you as you drive your cart. That might be infuriating, but maybe that's what I need. But it would also be fun if you want to punch it. Or if I want to throw it in the water. Yeah, drown the Hank doll. we can get a bunch of Hank dolls. Give it to Blake, have him rip it apart. We might. I think we just came upon a little Black Friday merch idea.

2:13:18PFT Commenter:The Hank doll. Just give it to your dog. We'll have it be like intentionally you can it's like the breakable chairs or breakable tables in WWE. The minute your dog gets it, it just shreds it. I would watch so many of those videos. Can it be one of the ones where you like squeeze or pull a string on and it yawns.

2:13:44PFT Commenter:All right. So wait, Hank, what was your fire fest? You kind of got cucked there. No, we've talked about it. We're good. Okay. So you don't have one. You're just good at golf. No, no. You lost the PFT. I lost PFT. Multiple times on camera. Yeah. But that happened. But it wasn't a competition. Multiple? Yeah. I think every time we've played me versus you, I think I've beaten you on camera. Austin, Texas. Max had that on the ready. I was just filming. I wasn't really. But you had that on anything that was happening. That's the best day of Max's life.

2:14:22PFT Commenter:All right. My fire fest. I got two. One is memes. So I memes. Parents were in town. and uh he asked if he could use my cubs tickets on wednesday and i was like of course and then it dawned on me after i sent it to him i was like this motherfucker's gonna try to win the 50 50 and he told me before they bought 200 worth and he won't tell me what happened and i i legitimately think he might have won and then i realized too if he won i would just be in memes spot where i would be like well it would they were my tickets and so we would just be like the mirror image of each other we'd be like well it's my pick in the ball but it was p so tell me did you win i did not win okay good i also my parents looked at me crazy when i bought 200 they're like why i was like i got i gotta win i i don't know why but on monday night i just got it in my head that i was going to win on monday night and it it got a little out of hand and i didn't win but i got it in my head i was like this is going to be the one i just i felt it i felt something special on monday night and it was so far from special it's gonna happen i don't think so man i don't think so it's it was i was like this is too much you're like i was i even went to buy one extra one at the seventh inning and then it was there was the 50 50 booth that i go to and then the one of the 50 50 guys who goes up and down the aisles was like hey big cat so then i was like well fuck i have to buy from him too so then i bought two extras in the seventh inning and still didn't win but all right mean so you did not win did not win but we we uh helped inner city schools that's where the money goes there we go there we go good shit man what if what if florio wins i can live with that.

2:16:16I can live with that. When he's in Chicago. No, you can't. Yeah, you can't. I like it. Instantly you would become a bigger hater than Hank and memes put together.

2:16:26PFT Commenter:Florio's not going to Florio's not going to spend a lot of money on the 50 50. There's no way. That's why you'd hate it. He'd spend like five bucks. If he won like that. Yes. If he won by spending like a thousand bucks, I'd tip my cap. If he bought one ticket for five dollars, I would be furious. Yeah. Yeah. But if he went all in, if he was like, I'm going to try to buy this pot, I would have to be like, credit to you, dude. You went for it. And then my other fire press is I didn't listen to Max during the Mount Rushmore because I should have. The one time he had actually like a semblance of a good argument and I didn't listen to him.

2:16:58PFT Commenter:That PFT picked himself on the blunt rotation, which is a crazy move. I didn't pick myself. Yeah, your team is PFT and Hank. Yeah, Hank picked me. No, no. You are a team. You are an entity. You're blunt rotation team. Team PFT and Hank picked PFT. You picked yourself. I told Hank not to pick me. You signed up. Doesn't matter. It shows Team PFT and Hank picked PFT. No, it would be Team 3. Okay, but you understand. Who is Team 3? When the clip comes out, your team picked yourself. Memes, you weren't here for Rushmore. I should have listened to Max. Memes, you weren't here for Rushmore that day. What are your thoughts?

2:17:43uh you guys called me on it oh right but it was like it was such a bad moment for me because

2:17:48PFT Commenter:usually max is the one who yeah we all called him usually one max is the one who walks out of the studio and is like i should have said that yeah and i walked out of the studio being like fuck max was right like that's never happened to me and it sucked so your point is that the picks should not have counted no i i think it's just a crazy narcissistic move to pick yourself in a blunt rotation i for the record i did not pick myself i begged not to pick picked you and then looking at the graphic i i saw it i was like this is the worst look of all time on a graphic this looks me ft over here and then hank i went to take a piss after and hank just was giggling in me ft max got singers i hate me this is such a banger i went to take a piss and i was just like hank you know what you did and he just started giggling in my face and i was just like this motherfucker i was like just admit to me you know what you did he's just giggling i was like god damn it and i max had the argument but for the record i i agree with hank that i'm a lot of to smoke weed with but i would not put myself in the top four of all time but you did i did it you did i want that you did your team did no that's that's fucking you are a team you are a team and you picked yourself it's a good pick it was a good pick pft it's a good pick you literally were like i would like to hang out with myself and smoke weed with anyone in the history of the world well sometimes just smoking by yourself is fun blunt rotation first pick myself because i want to get high oh but yeah it was more the fact that max like that's a bad feeling i you i hope you guys never have that feeling where you walk out being like, damn, I should have listened to Max.

2:19:37PFT Commenter:It was kind of like a gut check, like what's going on with my life. Yeah. Really humbling. Really humbling. Really hurt. All right, Zach. My Firefest of the week is I may have to move out of my apartment complex. Something similar has happened in the past to this quick story. But the other night I was at the house. It was a little late. I need to take the trash out. I have met some of my neighbors previously. I know I've got a very professional couple, like two doors down, that they leave in suits and like very business, not even business casual, like business, business garb. And then there's also a very beautiful woman that's probably two doors down the other direction.

2:20:17Nice. I have talked to them in passing, good chats with all of them. But unfortunately, it was late. I need to take the trash out. I got caught at the trash shoot, not only by my business, business neighbors. But the very attractive woman a couple of doors down has been very kind in my Halloween pajamas in my Xbox headset.

2:20:41PFT Commenter:I've never wanted to just melt away more in my entire life. Why did you take it off? Why did you take off your Xbox headset? It was going to be so quick, like down and back to the trash chute. I thought it was so late at night and I just I've never regret anything more. And of course, they're all coming home at the same time. You couldn't have, like, I'm actively on Redfin searching. What was the interaction? The interaction is they both, like, the one girl looks up, she waves. The two business business are coming in from maybe a date night or, like, an outing. And they just kind of, like, acknowledge.

2:21:16I go to say something and just go directly back to the apartment, into my room, into my safe space.

2:21:23PFT Commenter:I have a very important question for you, Zach. are the halloween pajamas uh are they glow in the dark it's a skeleton that glows in the dark

2:21:33is it is it is it the matching set or just exactly the ones you're talking about it's a

2:21:41PFT Commenter:matching set yeah oh my god is it your legs in the torso oh no zach zach i'll take a picture i literally my kids love those pajamas they wear them they ask for them almost every night and you're wearing them oh so do i but i'm also not i'm also not yeah okay this is zach we're gonna need you to take a picture of yourself in the i need to see these pajamas we need the pajamas and the headset when you get home we'll put in the youtube yes we have to have it i'm going right back into them when i get home so i can do that for you guys perfect perfect and the headset yeah the headset has to be there zach was it just like a standard generic white trash bag that you were throwing out or were you throwing out something that was identifiable no so luckily not identifiable uh but maybe telling because i do just do like the grocery bag move because i don't have a lot of trash so i just do like the the target bag tie up so maybe they know now that i'm not like an official trash can guy as well zach zach would uh multiple bags wait you don't own a trash can no i just use the tiny bags and then get rid of them as i go well he's just throwing out the you should get a trash can at some point it just feels like it would take forever to fill up those bags in and out every night we're good the best part of our trips to the shoot yeah the best part about zach saying that he doesn't have a trash uh bin is that he goes to target every single week that that's like the number one place to get that yeah that's where you get all the free bags though too on the checkout they've got so many bags stock up yeah i do i think a trash can from target It maybe costs like$10.

2:23:20But also, you got to be careful. You can't use the chute for bags that are too big. Yeah. So now I'm setting myself up to go downstairs.

2:23:27PFT Commenter:Okay. Hold on, Zach. Let's spin the spins on this real quick. Okay. The hallway, good lighting? Not the best lighting. Pretty dim. Okay. But there's enough lighting that when you got back in your apartment, those glow-in-the-dark skeletons popped? hopefully i wasn't glowing if i was glowing in the hallway i should have already moved out yeah so if it's dim in the hallway and it's light in your apartment they might have seen the skeleton out yeah no they saw the skeleton i just hope it wasn't glowing they definitely saw me in full skeleton which is the worst part like skeleton crocs the the xbox headset's almost like just to run to the yeah what color did you have the pins on them they're just white no jibbit We gotta get you some gibbets What was the shirt?

2:24:16The shirt was the chest and arms Of the skeleton So you were wearing the full set Yes as one does In pajamas

2:24:25PFT Commenter:Oh my god Zach That is so fucking funny So if anybody needs a roommate Or knows any good spots Let me know because I might be checking out Soon That's so good That's so good Oh man the girl's not going to forget you though that's true I probably did make it to the group chat just not in ways that I wanted girls are attracted to like guys they can fix and a dude in glow in the dark skeleton pajamas throwing out a target bag with the Xbox headset at midnight is a guy who can be fixed yeah that's the appropriate time of day to be doing that if this was like 1.30 in the afternoon then that would be a different conversation that's a great point you're right it was like prime pajamas hours I think you only Yeah, I think you only have to worry about the business business couple.

2:25:13PFT Commenter:They judged. The hot girl might have been turned on. Yeah, business business has never invited me to their cookouts on the patio ever again. If they do, you have to go in your pajamas. Because they know, like, they maybe could have pretended to take me seriously as a neighbor previously. Now they're just like, who is this guy? What's going on here? Oh, man. It's not good. That's so good. They're definitely not going to ask you for any favors. They're not going to be like, hey, can you come over and feed my cat? You seem like a business guy. You want to help me with this one? Well, no. Let's not rule out.

2:25:45PFT Commenter:Let's not judge. What if they're getting pub stomped and smurfed? He is the number one guy you call. I don't think they game a lot. They scream a lot. At each other? I hope not, but maybe. I think the real problem might be that the business guy saw you, and now he hates you because he's insanely jealous. Yeah. He's like, this dude, I would trade my entire life to be able to just hang out in my pajamas and play Xbox. That's fair. I don't want his suit, though. Do I have to give up my pajamas? No, no. Can we both do pajamas? Okay, cool. PFT's right. You might be the alpha of that apartment complex now.

2:26:22It's like this dude is just, he's living the dream.

2:26:25PFT Commenter:No, PFT's right. That guy definitely had a moment. If he's dressing up in a suit every day and coming home to just scream at his significant other, he's wishing he could throw it all away to get into his skeleton pajamas and game with the boys. Yeah. In his defense, they are good suits, though. Like, he leaves sharp. Yeah, but you also have glow-in-the-dark pajamas. Those aren't regular pajamas. Those are the good suits of pajamas. Do you have a pair as well or just the kids? I don't. Just the kids. I had to ask. I haven't. Like, we're actually glossing over the fact that, like, I don't know anyone else on this podcast, but me personally, I don't think I've had a pajama set since I was, like, five years old.

2:27:09I don't own anything that you would consider to be pajamas.

2:27:12PFT Commenter:No, I go to sleep in a T-shirt and boxers every night. What does that look, Hank? What do you want to say there, Hank? No, remember, Hank, he got robbed. His pajamas got robbed. I feel like 90 % of you wear a good class.

2:27:28Junks through January definitely gets blurry with pajamas. It does. It does. But no, I mean, I'm an underwear man. Go to sleep in underwear. Yeah. I don't think I wore pajamas past the age of 18. Zach, you don't. That's a good spin zone for you, Zach, by the way. Like PFT just wears pajamas in public. Yeah. So at least you were in the privacy of your own apartment building.

2:27:55PFT Commenter:Zach. That's fair. I want to ask a question. You don't have to answer, but I want to ask it. Yes, sir. on your bed do you have any stuffed animals or anything like that there's so i wouldn't classify i wouldn't call a stuffed animal what is it what is it's a it's a slow bro squish mellow so it's not you have a squish my kids also have those i should have kept that i should have kept that tucked do you do you hug your squishmallow no no it just goes on the i just throw it after i make the bed i throw it up there as like garb yeah festive yeah that's nice what is the uh is it the pokemon it is okay it's the pokemon slow bro is it pikachu no it's a uh slow bro oh slow bro is okay my bad i know pokemon i'm i'm gonna obviously i know slow bro which slow bro is it slow poke that i don't know it was a i originally got it from my brother because it's the mascot of our unofficial official running team that you didn't take part in yes oh slow bro i'm seeing him right now he's a pink pokemon this kind of looks like it'd be thrown on a wmba court

2:29:14i don't know how we're sneaking that in but we try no zach it's uh also it shows that you're a man that has a routine like you change into your pajamas at the end of the day yeah probably got you don't just like hop into bed in your sweats or whatever no i'm a i'm an outside clothes inside clothes guy so i'll get home uh quick shower pajamas and then i pajamas are just like while i'm around the house like in the apartment and then i just i just rip boxers to sleep so out of

2:29:41PFT Commenter:the pajamas before bed oh those are like that those are just pajamas for hanging out yeah just the late evening lounge situation. Got it. You want to get comfy with it. Got it. Get some elastic in the situation. Yes, Hank? When gaming locked in, what happened in the middle of the game where you're like, ah, fuck, I got to go take the trash out? I spilled a Diet Dr. Pepper. Had to clean up a lot of paper towels. And I was like, these have to go. Too much sugar on them. Didn't want any ants. Zach, the more you talk about this, the more what pft said is correct i'm jealous of this yeah like you were you were describing like obviously i love my kids i wouldn't trade it for the world but like for a minute i would love to just be like oh man my biggest issue tonight is i spilled like dr pepper while gaming in my pajamas that's a good night dude oh there's silver linings in everything it is an okay night sometimes.

2:30:42Max. I have one more question. You said you still had the headset on. Yes. Is there any chance you were still connected to your Xbox while this interaction was going on? 3 ,000%. My friends heard everything. Blue people was 100 % connected. They knew exactly what was going on. Wait, were you holding the controller? No. Oh, it was wireless. Wireless. If you were holding the controller on... That would have been incredible. Or if you were yelling at your friends as You were throwing the trash out.

2:31:12PFT Commenter:Were you talking at all to your friends while you were going? On the way to the shoot, yeah, just because I thought it was a quick run. And then as soon as individuals showed up that weren't, like, not expected, instant silence. Just head nod. Not a sprint, but I was just out of there quick. What a visual. I can't wait to see you in these pajamas. My favorite with Zach is when he's telling a story that he's a little bit nervous about or a little bit embarrassed about. He starts kind of talking like a cop. Yeah. And so at that point, I encountered two individuals and the individuals and I acknowledge each other.

2:31:43And I had to retreat back to my domicile.

2:31:46PFT Commenter:The individuals were wearing suits. They approached me from six o 'clock at a moderate pace.

2:31:58PFT Commenter:Oh, man. All right. Great fire fest. Great fire fest. And I cannot wait to see this picture. Send us the group chat as soon as you get home. it's so funny it's so funny alright should we finish with numbers 3 good job memes 22 what's up Pug Pug reveal oh fuck yeah Pug I'm holding it down I'll go with 60 I'll go with 6 85 I'll go with 6 99 Pug I'll go 70 for Sean Oh, there we go. Oh, because you can't go 118 for all the money he made? That was unnecessary. Praise for him. Big head, you want to just tell me when to stop it? You just go for like five seconds. Yeah, and just don't even look. Zach, what was your number?

2:32:5594.

2:32:56PFT Commenter:What's yours, Hank? 22.

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