S11 EP8: From Friend to Lover

1 Sep 2025 · 47 min · 23 chapters

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In short

“Parenting Hell” episode where hosts Rob Beckett and Josh Whittaker discuss how couples go from friends to lovers, then pivot into listener parenting stories and “parents are wankers” segments, plus a long-running Q&A-style exchange about school plays, triage facts, and extreme family situations.

Guests

No guest interview in this transcript. The “guests” are listener callers/emailers (e.g., Nina, a helicopter doctor; “Reggie” from Bularara, Australia; and multiple anonymous parents/teachers).

Key claims

Josh’s earlier paramedic triage understanding is corrected: major-incident triage prioritizes most critically unwell first, then works backwards. A teacher describes a child named “Bonnie Blue” after adult-movie media. One parent reports triplets (then five kids total) leading to “self-sufficient” kids due to less attention.

Notable examples

First-date story between Rob and Lou (work drinking → dinner → off chicken → left in garden → later clubs/“grounding” for six months). School-play conflict where a complaining mum demands more lines and threatens not to attend. Triplets born just before lockdown; husband gets a vasectomy six months later.

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Chapters

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Discussion on Milburn and Music Memories

0:00 to 0:25

Rob and Josh reminisce about the band Milburn and their personal connections to their music.

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Discussion on Milburn and Music Memories

2:12 to 4:28

Rob and Josh reminisce about the band Milburn and their personal connections to their music.

“I'll tell you what, that was very well done, considering there was someone at the ring doorbell, there was a cat meowing.”

The Experience of Going Out

4:30 to 6:45

Josh shares his recent experience of going out and the challenges that come with it.

“So you're definitely going to be in the top two percent of them.”

Comedic Insights on London Life

6:46 to 10:40

Rob and Josh share humorous observations about driving and life in London.

“I don't think I've ever got to the day of something I've bought tickets for and I actually wanted to go.”

Car Park Anecdote

10:41 to 14:00

Josh tells a funny story about getting locked in a car park after dinner.

“And that's the good thing about not drinking now.”

Grindee Conversations

14:00 to 16:40

The hosts discuss past experiences of being 'ground on' by partners and the dynamics of their relationships.

“Why are you bringing up previous grindees?”

From Friends to Lovers

16:40 to 19:45

Josh shares the transition from colleagues to romantic partners with Lou, including humorous anecdotes about their early interactions.

“Good to know the quiet stuff is ear-splittingly loud.”

From Friends to Lovers

20:05 to 20:32

Josh shares the transition from colleagues to romantic partners with Lou, including humorous anecdotes about their early interactions.

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Lou's First Date Experience

21:09 to 23:01

Josh recounts his awkward first date with Lou, including humorous mishaps and their evolving relationship.

“Yeah, because we sort of just did the similar thing of like, It was after a work thing.”

Swiss Commentary and Rules

23:02 to 24:40

The hosts discuss the quirks of living in Switzerland, including noise regulations and cultural norms.

“Swiss-British listener living in Geneva, Switzerland, having heard pros and wrong cons about Switzerland, Here is a real advantage of living here.”
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Paramedic Triage Clarification

24:41 to 26:08

They clarify misconceptions about paramedic protocols and triaging during emergencies.

“The amount of episodes we record Monday morning, the amount of episodes where I've seen you in the background with a little drying rack, like you've got now.”

Wanky Parents Stories

26:09 to 28:06

Listeners share their experiences with competitive parenting and school play auditions, leading to funny and outrageous anecdotes.

“He lives the life of Riley while also looking hot in his PPE.”

The Star Quality of a Young Performer

28:06 to 28:38

Discussing the impressive performance of a young girl and the reactions it evokes.

“And she went, and you were an incredible audience.”

Parental Pressure in School Plays

28:39 to 30:22

Exploring the extreme reactions of parents regarding their children's roles in school plays.

“Whilst our daughter desperately wanted another character, but aware that she might not get it auditioned for a few, hoping to get at least one.”

The Nature of Parental Justifications

30:23 to 31:59

Discussing how parents justify their behaviors and decisions for their children.

“This is the kind of thing I think that people don't...”

The Pressure of High Achievers

32:00 to 32:46

Analyzing the effects of high-achieving parenting on children and the balance of happiness.

“And then she goes, thanks, always make me laugh.”

The Pressure of High Achievers

33:10 to 34:45

Analyzing the effects of high-achieving parenting on children and the balance of happiness.

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The Trials of Having Multiple Children

35:16 to 41:38

Sharing listener experiences about the realities and challenges of raising multiple children.

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Traveling with Young Kids

41:39 to 42:01

Discussing the complexities and humorous challenges of traveling with young children.

“So you've got your two children, the five-year-old and the three-year-old on the plane, yeah?”

Sudan Travel Story

42:01 to 43:11

Listeners will hear a humorous recount of a challenging trip to Sudan.

“In 2008, I flew from Melbourne to Sudan after a 46-hour journey.”

The Longest Parenting Stint

43:11 to 44:28

A discussion about a mother-in-law's extensive duration of parenting.

“I've got a lot of questions for Reggie in his three-week stint in Sudan.”

The Buzz of Parenting

44:28 to 44:50

Exploration of the reasons behind having many children, touching on the nature of attraction.

“It's not all just grinding in Flair's nightclub.”

Future of Websites

46:58 to 47:08

Discussion on whether websites will be replaced by social media platforms.

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0:38That's where OLLI comes in. Start your mornings off right with Maltese made to support nutrition and immune health. Choose from our lineup of gut-supporting probiotics. And we've got occasional sleep support to help the whole fan chase their big dreams. Head back to class with the number one gummy supplement brand. Stock up on OLLI.com today. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. When you're 7-Eleven's hottest fire chicken sandwich, people think you're intense. Well, yeah, I'm hot!

1:08Oh, yeah, intense. Want to see if you can handle the heat? Then try me. With pickles or spicy mayo and jalapenos. Oh, and it's all just$4.99. That's a deal almost as hot as I am. Almost? Sweet? No. Spicy? See for yourself. $4.99 and only at 7-Eleven. Follow through 825-26. Participating stores only while supplies last. Visit store for full-time terms. Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Whittacombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky.

1:43Josh Widdicombe:So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice and of course tales of parenting woe because let's be honest there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing hello you're listening to parenting hell with right arlo can you say rob beckett rob beckett and can you say josh widdakam josh well done Can you say parenting hell? Parenting hell. Wow, fabulous.

2:24I'll tell you what, that was very well done, considering there was someone at the ring doorbell, there was a cat meowing. Exactly. Ah, Lord. It wasn't that, it was a jewellery, wasn't it? Oh, my word, the worst you could do, Sunderland. Oh, so sorry to the jewellery and the mackhams out there. Yeah. Same thing, though, innit? We're all cockneys to them. Well, I'm not, surely. I think you'd be a southerner. Yeah. You'd be a miscellaneous southerner and I'd just be cockney. Whether you're from Essex, Kent, London.

2:51Josh Widdicombe:Well, she's from Sunderland. However, she grew up in London, North Finchley. Finchley is barely London. So the accent's probably a bit of a mishmash. No, you're absolutely North East. Yeah, yeah. There was no doubt in my life. I didn't go, oh, she sounds like a bit of a Londoner. Arlo. This is my godson Arlo. Exactly 36 months. His third birthday was Saturday the 26th of July. Absolutely smashing the intro to the podcast. No children myself, but without fail, I'm always in the top 2 % of podcast listeners when I get my annual stats in December. Oh, respect. Who's this person? This is Zoe Milburn.

3:27Josh Widdicombe:Zoe, 381 months. Milburn. Do you remember the band Milburn? Yeah, they were part of the Arctic Monkeys' Sheffield explosion. I love Milburn. I've got no memory of them. Oh, they were literally... Just the name. It was like a phone call, their songs. What do you mean? They just talk you through their life. It's like ringing a mate, but with a guitar in the background. All right. I'm on the bus. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. All right. It was all that. Do you want to know how many monthly listeners they've got on Spotify this month? Roll out the barrel. Bring out the barrel. Roll out the barrel. Go and bring out the barrel.

4:02Josh Widdicombe:I reckon you're probably in the top 2 % of Milburn listeners. Honestly, I was a man. Milburn, because I loved Arctic Monkeys, but at that point, Arctic Monkeys were like doing world tours. and then Milburn come out and I went and this is when I was going out drinking a lot before I started doing comedy and I used to get the train from Canterbury up to London and then get the last train home back to Canterbury when I lived there and I saw them at Historia of Milburn. Oh that dates it. Well Milburn have got 28 ,000 monthly listens. Yeah. So you're definitely going to be in the top two percent of them.

4:34Josh Widdicombe:What You Could Have Won was one of the songs they had. Do you know what their number one song is Rob? What's that? Do you want to have a guess? What You Could one is not in their top five roll out a barrel that's not in their top five um something in the teacup that's not in their top five what's in the top five sending the boys sending up yeah i remember that one that's a good one this is the one about the bus last bus sending the boys well well well cheshire cat smile well well well what the cat dragged in i don't know if you're making that up This is true life. True life. Well, well, well, look what the cat dragged in.

5:09You play that on your phone, it's exactly the same.

5:12Josh Widdicombe:Fine. Do you know what? I got a message off Spotify the other day. What are they saying? Saying that Sabrina Carpenter's got something special for me. A restraining order. I almost jumped down my skin.

5:27Josh Widdicombe:It's all that kind of music. What's that one? Sending the boys? No, that's well, well, well.

5:41you could chip into this intro a bit i'd argue come on astoria let's fucking have it

5:46Josh Widdicombe:come on guys you're 24 seconds in trying to fill in the fucking albums a bit short what is that it no

6:01Josh Widdicombe:it's coming it's coming it out okay this is it

6:09Josh Widdicombe:there you go i mean it doesn't sound more like alex turner if he tried i loved it i love milburn massive fans of milburn shout out to milburn if you're in milburn give us a shout yes please big fan of milburn what's happened to milburn they did a reunion gig the other week i think did they me and my mate was like should we go and then we remembered we're 40 and we've got kids and it's just too much hassle. Can I just say thank you so much to people that come to my tour shows? And I imagine you echo the same feeling. No, no. I think there should be more effort to come to mine. No, thank you so much if you've come to a tour show.

6:40I totally agree. If you're going to, because the effort to leave your house and come to a show, massive respect out there. So thank you very much.

6:46Josh Widdicombe:I don't think. Come on. I don't think I've ever got to the day of something I've bought tickets for and I actually wanted to go. No, no, no. When you're in your house. Then you get there and you're like, I'm glad I came. It's great. But every time I'm like... Apart from Oasis. I haven't been yet. Yeah, but Blur, you weren't feeling that about Blur at Wembley, were you? No, no, no, of course not. But we aren't the greatest rock and roll band ever that has reformed after 16 years after a public family falling out, are we? We are a couple of guys with a few slick jokes. Give us 16 years. Give us 16.

7:18Why don't we have a massive row and then reform and see what happens? For nothing.

7:22Josh Widdicombe:Because the sad thing were people didn't care and that would be even worse. do you remember when they were doing that really successful podcast at the height of podcasting when everyone was listening to podcasts then they split up and came back 16 years later when podcasts didn't exist anymore and their children were adults their children were adults and no one cared Rob started to rebuild a trampoline again trying to give them the hits yeah and their guest was the bass player from Melbourne I'll take that you take that of course I'll take that how are you Josh you all good I'm good actually the dog done a shit on the floor in my ass.

7:56Josh Widdicombe:Oh, no, we had that with a cat when we went away for the week. The cat pissed in the hallway every day. Do you spray the area after that? Do I spray the area? Yeah. Well, the dog's ass. No. Oh, the floor. Yeah, the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I give that a good old proper like anti-back bleachy spray. Always roll the dice because I pick up the nearest spray. I don't really check if it says okay for floor. I'll spray it on the floor and hope for the best. It's only floor, innit? What type of floor is it? I think people worry too much about floor or carpet. Do you know what I mean? Carpets, faff, isn't it?

8:26Yeah, just put something over the top of it if it gets ruined. What, like a rug? Oh, like a table. Table. But then if it's right in the middle of the room, you're in trouble, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. You were good, are you? I got locked in a car park last night. Oh, lovely. A perfect Josh Woodacombe story. I'm in. I'm fully in. Well, I was. There we go, they're good. There we fucking go. I did this in 16 years at Wembley. Everyone really into their seats, hanging on every word. Elbowing there, mate. don't go for a beer now. Josh is telling us his anecdote about the car park.

8:58Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. So I got locked in the car park. What car park? It was a car park. We went for dinner in kind of Mayfair area. Just you and Rose? As we discussed, it's difficult to do stuff babysitting. So we were like, let's get this in. Why are your mum's here recovering from her back surgery? Let her look after the kids. No, we didn't get her to look after the kids. She's laying there anyway, have a brace on. We might as well fuck off out. Yeah, exactly. No, we got Shell round. Big up Shell. Big up Shell. He's a lady who does your MOTs, isn't she? And then sometimes it's after your kids. Yeah, I suppose you could argue that.

9:28Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. We've got a shower round. She actually fell asleep when she was putting my daughter to bed, so she ended up staying. She woke up at half 11 when we got back. Oh, really? Yeah. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Is it paying for women to stay at your house, mate? That's on you? She's not fucking charging me beyond where we got back. I'll tell you that for a friend. Imagine that woke up all day. And here's my invoice for 6am. You could have left at 11. that's my 12 hour invoice strictly you're asleep for some of the hours we booked you for

9:59if anything we could actually reclaim an hour and a half because you were asleep weren't you

10:06Josh Widdicombe:anyway i booked through just part you know just park where you can just choose somewhere to park that's the thing you were bigging up the other week and they used your clip and did an advert Did they? They were saying it's shit. Are you trying to do an advert? Well, they did a thing going, listen to Josh Whittacombe. You should definitely use a Just Park. But now this is your chance to say it's a load of shit as well. Well, I got locked in the car park. Oh, so it is bad. Well, no, I'm not saying it's bad. No, it was the car park's fault. So it's neither mine or Just Park's. Hang on a second. Why was it the car park's fault?

10:35Josh Widdicombe:When does the car park shut? It's open 24 hours. Yep. So we get back to our car at 20 past 10. And that's the good thing about not drinking now. Yeah, yeah. Just drive. And you're in London. You can just sit back to your house, an hour drive across London, back to London, from London to London. Exactly. Just an hour in the car. Exactly, Rob. And I was saying to Rose, you see, we would have paid like 60 quid for a taxi here, but now we can just drive back. It's easy. Imagine paying£60 to get to a city you're already living. I know, it's mental. It's fucking mental. And they've closed, for good now, the main road that I would have to drive on to take my daughter to school.

11:12Josh Widdicombe:That is officially shut now. Yeah. What's it going to be? It's got one of those red signs. You know the red circle with the car and the bike in it? It's only for buses. Only for buses. Just call it a bus lane, innit? It's just a big old bus. You know what I hate most in London? I don't know if they do this in the other parts of the country. Out of nowhere, during COVID, and I don't know why, they just decided to put fucking plant pots at the end of roads just so you can drive down it and there'd be a plant pot there. It's mental. There you go. And then the locals were actually picking them up and moving them so that they could get to their house.

11:45Josh Widdicombe:Do you know what? I'm going to have, when I move, a lot of room in my head that is currently taken up by me thinking like a taxi driver. The problem is, if you live in London, you're not allowed to get to your house in a car, but you need a car for certain things. And it's not like you're taking your car, right, when you're gigging. Say you're, you know, gigging at television centres. You're not taking your car to try and park up out the front for free. No, not like Michael Parkinson in the 70s. That's what I'm saying. It's not like you're... You literally need to get children. You can't just...

12:17There's no tube where you are. There's no tube.

12:20Josh Widdicombe:Anyway, anyway. Don't need a couple of other middle-aged men moaning about London. Tell you what, if Michael's worth his salt, he'll chip into me and you in the last five minutes because that is a... We've become very LBC. Look, man, you can't put a muzzle on the truth. London's fucked up. Here we go. Give him a late-night show. Give him a late-night show. London's a mess, guys. Just saying it. London's a mess. Anyway, we're in this car park. We've paid. The big steel gate just doesn't open. The sense is broken. Oh, what? Presumably. So I'm going forward and back, trying to set it off. I got so far forward, I was like, I was kind of pushing up against the thing.

13:00Josh Widdicombe:You know when two footballers face up against each other? Or like when you're sort of in a nightclub and you're dancing really close to someone, consensually, and their bottom goes on your front. have you ever had that at a nightclub josh you and rose when you were first courting i don't know if she'd into you and dance well ass first back into you yeah but not immediately but once you've sort of said hello and you've danced a bit there'd be a point where she'd turn round so you're dancing behind lou and lou's going no you're dancing behind rose don't bring me and lou into this fake situation no no no no you're saying that you're naming the situation you're I'm telling you that, yeah.

13:41Josh Widdicombe:Has Lou ground on you? Surely back in the day. I mean, don't push me for an example. We got together a bit older than you and Lou. We weren't... Post-grind, okay. Post the grind world. So was Lou grinding into you? Not particularly. I wouldn't say she was... So neither of us have experienced this. No, I've experienced it. I'm not some sort of pussy old virgin, mate. I've been ground on. But just not with Lou. Well, why are you bringing that up? Well, I'm just asking. Why are you bringing up previous grindees? Okay. So you've been ground on. Yeah, but I would never grind on the woman. No, I wouldn't expect you to.

14:13Josh Widdicombe:I'm table salt. I've just got two questions. You have been ground on, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like the way you turn this. No, no, no, it's fine. Have you been ground on by Lou? Potentially when we first started going out. We used to go out to like nightclubs and bars together. The difference in those answers is quite interesting, isn't it? Because that definitely means there's a pre-grindee. What do you mean? There's other grindees. I've been ground on by others. Yeah. Correct. I suppose they're the grounders. I'm sure Rose has ground on you at a wedding dancing. And I'm not talking like some sort of, you know, Jamaican festival, like where they're properly daggering.

14:48I mean, Lou's not like lifting up a skirt. It's like on all fours fucking winking at me. I'm talking like just dark. That's how I'm picturing it.

14:57Josh Widdicombe:That's how I'm picturing it.

15:02Don't picture me like that.

15:03Josh Widdicombe:When I'm picturing it, you're fucking loving it. Absolutely, yeah. and you're high-fiving the men around you. Yeah, we're all high-fiving. It's really toxic, but this was back, you know, we've been together for 16 years. Don't judge us. It was a different time. It was a different time. You know, I mean, your mum would go to a disco, she'd get an all four-sticker ass in the air, wobble it around a bit, and I'd back up into it and front it up. Just a couple of young guys just, you know, meeting and greeting. It was a different time, wasn't it, 2010? Yeah. Milburn, I'm riding high in the charts. I still can't believe you and Rose.

15:40Did you ever dance when you first started going out? Not in a sexy manner. You worked together. So how did you go from colleagues to sort of suitors and partners? Text. Text. Like text chats and then? You'd be funny and flirty. You worked with Lou as well. I worked with Lou as well. So how did you turn that one? Well, we both sort of liked each other. And then we used to go out drinking a lot with work because it was an events company where we would have to go and look at event space. So the company would book big hotels. So the hotels would invite us to the hotels and go, come for dinner, come for drinks.

16:14Oh, God. What's that? There's a man checking my burglar alarms and my smoke alarms. Oh, yeah. I tell you what, what a great time to schedule that. Of all day, all day. We are doing this for two hours in the morning. You've got the burglar alarm, man, testing your alarm. They didn't give me a clear window.

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16:32Josh Widdicombe:It was just in for the day. Just in for the day. Okay. And how long is he there for? Well, he's been here since 10 to 9. Right. Okay. Cool. Perfect. He did all the loud stuff beforehand. Oh, so what was that? The quiet stuff we just heard? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Good to know the quiet stuff is ear-splittingly loud. It was fucking kicking off at 8.53. I'll tell you that for free.

16:55Michael keeps leaving the chat. I don't know what's going on. He went at daggering. I don't know if we've upset him. Maybe he's never been ground on. so i start bragging about being oh lou's gonna give me so much shit for this so basically we go out drinking a lot with work because show us the hotel show us the restaurant bar then give us loads of free drink yeah and then we was at an event one thing led to another we were chatting had a little kiss tried out the honeymoon suite we tried out the honeymoon suite well but so you it went from texty texty and then did you ask her out or did you get drunk and get

17:30Josh Widdicombe:off of each other what happened i don't know if i've ever properly been on a date if you know what i mean okay just like date night yeah we have that but i mean would you like to go for a drink with me because i like you romantically i don't think i've ever really done that what where was the first kiss with you how did you switch from friend to lover it's a difficult pivot it was on a kind of rug in front of an open fire. Don't deflect with humour. It was on the sofa of a terrible house I lived in in Turnpike Lane. Do you want some details of the house? Full details. We'll find out if you got out of the car park.

18:11Spoiler alert, you sat here talking to me, so imagine you did.

18:13Josh Widdicombe:We did get out of the car park. There was a button outside the car park after 20 minutes. Outside the car park you could press a button to telecom someone in like an office somewhere. Why is that outside the car park? and the only reason we found the button was rose had gone outside the car park to try and set off the sensor as if she was a car coming in and then you got out and then we got out so that's car park dealt with let's hear about romance so we were drinking after work yeah a tv record or a day right in the show she worked in your tv show didn't she it was stand up for the week there was a slight power dynamic of you being her boss or no she was the producer so i would say your new act so it's sort of a bit mid-level a bit similar i don't think i either us had any power but the similar level both up and coming i suppose so yes yes it was certainly um i mean i was living in turnpike lane in a rented property to give you an idea of the level i was operating at was it after a record or after a day in the office after day in the office day in the office you've been there you're writing little jokes to your mates and it's a pretty good one could i just be clear that was never said it was always that's not good enough that's a bloody great one i can't wait to say that clap and grand in front of all the guys oh god don't it was so stressful so you've been writing jokes all day and then somebody in the office you or rose or is it someone else says we'll go for a drink we all went out drinking yeah yeah one thing led to another okay and then just you and rose went back to your place yeah big time so what did you say at the drinks and do you want to go back to mine for another drink probably yeah don't remember the words do you want to come back to mind for an awkward kiss on a futon it's not a futon it was an awful leather so l-shaped leather sofa that came with the house and then you just went back then we just went back and we've never looked back

20:04oh dear right now get up to 15 off select storage solutions put heavy duty hdx totes to good use protecting what's important to you. The solid, impact-resistant design prevents cracking, and the clear base and sides make items easy to find even when the totes are stacked. Find select shelving and tote storage up to 15 % off at the Home Depot to organize every room in your home, from your garage to your attic. Visit homedepot.com, how doers get more done. Hey, friends. Olivia from Oli. Between new routines and the ultimate group project known as parenting, you need science-backed solutions that work with your life.

20:45That's where Oli comes in. Start your mornings off right with Maltese made to support nutrition and immune health. Choose from our lineup of gut-supporting probiotics, and we've got occasional sleep support to help the whole fam chase their big dreams. Head back to class with the number one gummy supplement brand. Stock up on oli.com today. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Did you go on a date with Lou? Yeah, because we sort of just did the similar thing of like, It was after a work thing.

21:15I invited her around to my house for a date, and I was going to, like, cook her dinner. And then I opened the chicken. Were you living on your own? No, with some mates. And then I was doing her some dinner, and she'd just come back from Glastonbury, and then the chicken I opened was off. So I had to run to the shop. So I left her in my garden. Then my mate Birch came home and just sat there and started chatting to her. And then I'd come in, and she was sat in my shitty little garden with all, like, burnt-out stuff in the back. Are you still friends with Birch? Yeah, still friends with Birch, yeah.

21:42That was our proper first date, I suppose. I'll probably get told off by Lou. And then we went out to clubs and she just ground on me for six months before we know it. Fully romantically evolved. Josh, should we do some correspondence?

21:54Josh Widdicombe:We were today planning on doing correspondence. We got sidetracked. Unlike us. Sidetracked by love. Fucking hell, Switzerland's still going. Switzerland never ends. So I stacked off Switzerland. We asked for some pros. And most of the pros of Switzerland have been fairly negative, haven't they? Yeah, yeah. Do you want any more Swiss pros and cons? and then we draw a line under it? Yeah, let's do that. Just wanted to add to the Swiss commentary. I'm half Swiss, half English. I spent the first six years of my life in England and the next five in the Swiss, German-speaking part of Switzerland. While the Swiss are, for the most part, rather rule-obsessed in defence of the Swiss way of life, it was incredible how much freedom we had as kids, roaming the fields and forests all day, swimming in rivers, and only occasionally getting chased up trees by a wild boar.

22:36Another fun fact about Switzerland, while I was living there, is every single citizen has to have access to a nuclear bunker. That is incredible. That is incredible. Ours was in the landlord's basement. I suspect this explains the prepper tendency I have 30 years later. Keep it scharf und nabber. Bet. Don't know what that means. Oh, sexy and relatable in Swiss. Sexy and relatable, yeah, yeah. Hello, guys. Swiss-British listener living in Geneva, Switzerland, having heard pros and wrong cons about Switzerland, Here is a real advantage of living here. Inhabitants of our country are not allowed hoovering or using a washing machine on Sundays because it makes noise and Sundays are mandated to be as quiet and boring as fuck.

23:22Oh, Ludo, go fuck yourself, mate. I'm not having some sort of government telling me I can't do a bit of over. Oh, there he is.

23:28Josh Widdicombe:Here he is. LBC is back. I don't want to go full LBC, but fuck me, mate. It's a busy week and I've got shit on the floor and I can't hoover. If you're not doing your washing on a Sunday, when are you fucking doing it? What happens if you drop a box of Rice Krispies on a Sunday? You wait until Monday, mate. You're crunching away until Monday. You're crunching away. You're snap, crackle and popping until Monday morning, son. I like it. I like the idea. I like the idea of waking up on a Sunday, turning over and going back to sleep, safe in the knowledge I won't be woken by my neighbour's hoovering.

23:57Josh Widdicombe:I mean, unless you're in a flat, though, who's getting woken by the neighbour's hoovering? Surely, if you're living in a big Swiss place. The big bastards that probably make these rules. If you're David Bowie, who lived in Switzerland. When he was alive. Surely to God, with the exception of his lovely wife, a man, who's going to hear that David Bowie is hoovering in his massive house? You've got to be able to do your washing. Then you get all the Karens coming up, all the Swiss Karens. Excuse me, it's actually Sunday. You're not allowed to do your washing. Fuck off. I'm actually going to get labelled as racist if we keep doing this Swiss thing.

24:30Josh Widdicombe:I don't think you are. I think you've just found a country that doesn't play to your characteristics. It suits me. It doesn't play to my strengths. Yeah. You know what? I like having a laugh and doing me washing on a Sunday. You love doing your washing on a Sunday. The amount of episodes we record Monday morning, the amount of episodes where I've seen you in the background with a little drying rack, like you've got now. Look, there's some washing there. Yeah, and we're recording on a Wednesday. I don't know why that's still up. It's still drying. It's still drying, mate. That's what I tell myself.

24:54Josh Widdicombe:Probably wet still. Won't put it away. Just leave it there. Oh, I've got a paramedic fact check. Do you know when I said that paramedics have to go to the first person in an injury situation? The first person they see, not the worst injury. That's what I thought, but I was wrong. I'm Nina. I'm a helicopter doctor. Presumably that's a doctor that travels in a helicopter, not a mechanic. What else could it be? Someone that looks after helicopters. Oh, right. Yeah, OK. Well, like a helicopter doctor, where they're always over the patient, like a helicopter parent. Back off, mate. Josh's statement about paramedics at major incident attending the first injury they came to across is not correct.

25:30Josh Widdicombe:And it's good to correct this, Rob, because... Yeah, absolutely. Otherwise, we'd have had listeners at major incidents who were lying on the floor injured, trying to crawl towards the ambulance to have the pecking on. The queue jump. The queue jump. I heard it on Parented Hell as they dragged them. You can't go past me. I'm first. I'm first. Get back. We undergo a rapid triage system to get resources to the most critically unwell first and then work backwards. This is until further help arrives. Oh, so I was wrong. Yeah. Where have I got that from then? Furthermore, regarding the chat about emergency services, I can confirm that as my boyfriend is a firefighter, what a couple.

26:07Josh Widdicombe:Oh, sexy bastards. He really has chosen the best job of the three. He lives the life of Riley while also looking hot in his PPE. All the best, Nina. There you go. There's a link for educational purposes if needed, the NHS Major Incident Triage Tool. I'd like to ask Nina, if someone's a complete knob, does it affect the triaging? Oh, that's a good question. Anonymously, have you ever, in your workplace, doesn't have to be a hospital, punished people for being awful customers and how have you done it? Have you pushed them down the queue when they've broken their collarbone? Have you spat in their porridge?

26:42Josh Widdicombe:Have you wiped your dick across the CD they're buying from HMV? What have you done? Have you told them you've got none left when you have under the counter six Apple Tangos, but you know you want to hurt them? These references are so old. I love it. HMV. I'm remembering what it was like when I had a job, Rob. Didn't Frank Skinner say that when he got to hold the World Cup, he wiped his dick on it? Yeah, over the top. That's mental, isn't it? Yeah. We've got other parents of wankers stories here. There we go. Here we go. Hello, Rob and Josh. Listening to you talk about wanky parents. And I had to share this one with you.

27:21Our daughter is in year six, so leaving primary school soon. Or stressful time. As we discovered. The worst thing that can happen to a human, which is hopefully putting everyone's mind at rest. Yeah. As a result, they have an end of primary play coming up. Fair enough. The children all had to audition for the part they wanted. One girl in the year was so desperate for the lead role, she told all the other children not to audition for the part. However, another child did audition and got the lead.

27:47Josh Widdicombe:Oh, here we go. Did I tell you that after my daughter's school play, there was a girl in it that was just hilarious? Yeah. About two weeks later at the end of year picnic, I saw her and I went up to her like I was a fan and I was like, just so you know, you were incredible in the school play. Okay. And she went, and you were an incredible audience. Oh, wow. And I thought, it's a star in the making. She's confident. She's confident, but she's got every right to be. Yeah, but part of me goes, ugh. When she said it, Rob, she had that star quality. She's got the X Factor. She's got the X Factor. Did you feel like you had to say that because you were the comedian watching?

28:25Josh Widdicombe:I actually saw her and was saying it before I knew it, in the starstruck way you do when you see someone you're a fan of. Wow, okay. She must have been amazing. She was brilliant. Okay. Anyway, so the girl did get offered another role. This is the angry one. He didn't want anyone else to audition. Still quite a big one. Whilst our daughter desperately wanted another character, but aware that she might not get it auditioned for a few, hoping to get at least one. She was over the moon to actually get the part she wanted. In the half term, we had a message from the teacher to say that she was rewriting the script.

28:56What? And that our daughter would now be part of a duo. Oh, my word. As the other mum had complained her daughter didn't have enough lines. That is mental. You serial killer bitch. That is mental. I don't like calling women bitches, but sometimes I think it's okay.

29:14Josh Widdicombe:That is insane. What are you doing to your child? Why are you making that matter? She complained her daughter didn't have enough lines. to add the mum told her daughter and the school that she wouldn't go and watch it if her... Oh, my God. That is wild. That is wild. The mum told her daughter and the school she wouldn't go to watch it if her daughter didn't get a bigger part. That is fucking insane. I wondered what sort of parent would go so far and if everyone acted that way, how would the school navigate it? The problem is, I think, when you become an adult and you've got your job in your own little world, when you get too old, you sort of pick the job you like or you move on and you work with people, you forget that the world is full of such twats.

29:54That is mad. So do all these twats meet up and think that we're twats for not doing this?

29:58Josh Widdicombe:Are they thinking these people don't care about their children? They're willing to accept that their child has two lines in The Wizard of Oz and they're not going to go to war for their child. They're not willing to say that's not good enough. Look, all parents think they're doing the right thing, don't they? I suppose so. Or they will justify it in their own mind, won't they, that actually this is fine. Well, that's not just parents. Everyone. In their behaviour. This is the kind of thing I think that people don't... You know when you talk about someone like... This isn't about politics, but it's about a general point.

30:31Josh Widdicombe:Most people who people think are like plotting, they genuinely, even if they're... Someone like Boris Johnson, I genuinely think he does believe he wasn't involved in that party thing. Do you know what I mean? People are the lead role in their own movie. That is the way it is. Almost all people think they're doing the right thing. No one is going, ha, ha, ha, I've got an evil plan. Yeah. But do you know what I mean? Yeah, well, she's probably going, no, actually, my daughter's really talented. She should get that role. I'm going to go to fight for her. Oh, my God. This is only year six as well.

31:03Josh Widdicombe:The sad thing is, Rob, you see these documentaries about people, I'm going to say it, the Beckham documentary, and his weird psycho dad who was really, like, pushed him. and you go, this is the worst lesson because it worked. And Tiger Woods, his dad and his behaviour. And I think what it is, though, with that kind of mad parenting, George Russell was saying that his dad used to lie to him about lap times when he was doing Formula One. When he was coming up as a teenager, he'd say, oh, you were four seconds slower than them, even if he was faster, to make him frustrated and try harder. Yeah. So what you do is you create this sort of like beast of a golfer or a footballer or whatever it is they do, or an actor, this unbelievable focused beast.

31:47But then what they lose is any sort of humanity. And there is a balance. Are you actually happy? Because when Mark Targill was one stuff, he didn't care. He wasn't happy because he wanted to go again and again.

31:57Josh Widdicombe:And then it did all seem to come out in a kind of... Yeah. It's so weird. Anyway, how's this email going? And then she goes, thanks, always make me laugh. I discovered your pod about a year ago and listened to everyone. So it just happened. Would you have kicked back?

32:16Josh Widdicombe:not ideal come on back okay we've tested it

32:29they've done the loud bit already have they today

32:31Josh Widdicombe:yeah and do you know what Rob if you're driven to a level of high achieving professionalism like I am that's what you get from me every day you are on it every day you've protected the two hours because this is record time i'm lasered in i'm focused it's time to podcast i'm performing no distraction i am josh widdekombe the machine well look at that they've done the loud bit and we're just doing the quiet bit sorry listeners it's absolutely a nightmare all right what do you want now i've got another parents are wankers i've got longest time in years doing the school run let's do the longest time in years doing the school boomer parented to third child or not to third child weird phobias parenting fails babysitting stories we've got loads here just choose one at random I didn't even know we were doing to third child or not to third child I've no memory of that here we go nightmare names hi Rob and Josh I've been working as a teacher oh my god Josh you've got to be kidding what do you mean you've got to be kidding this is what happens when the alarm man comes or woman or he's a man it was a man right it stopped I don't need to say it stopped oh yeah thanks for the heads up I'm just going to go and see how it's going I think it's working the alarm's working I've muted him I can't take that, it's driving me crazy people say we should go in a studio I don't know why you can still do it from home if you're recording a podcast do not schedule the alarm man I mean I don't know the maths because Josh isn't here of how many hours there are in a week but I'm only asking for two and a half just a two and a half hour window If you all say to the alarm people, yeah, I can do it, but after 11.30, please, that would be the normal thing to do, wouldn't it?

34:16Yeah.

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35:21Josh Widdicombe:Some good news. Oh, yeah. We've got a fault with one of our alarms. So why is that good news? Well, no, it isn't good news. I was just trying to... So it's bad news. is he going to still be doing that no he said give him one minute to put the alarm back so this is part of the minute all right so it could go again in the next minute within the next minute and then he's going to stop for a bit and then he's done so basically he's turned up yeah disrupted your podcast told you it's not working and left no no he's fixed it oh he's just fixed it that was him fixing it yeah yeah so there's no fault no there was a fault but there isn't now no but within a minute it'll be done yeah okay lovely this is why we shouldn't record in the studio.

36:01Josh Widdicombe:People love this. I don't, I love, I'd say the odd blast of the alarm, but after about three seconds it was killing me. Imagine being on the tube, commuting to work and that's going off and you're trying to just, just distract from life for a bit. You've got to listen to this podcast, it's great, which don't do that. You know what? This is what separates us from Stephen Bartlett. He's not once had a fire alarm go off. I've never listened to it, but I'm guessing it never happens. It certainly never makes the YouTube clips. It never makes the thumbnails in between someone crying. Tell you what, stick me on there with that alarm, I'll start crying.

36:38Click me up. Right. Davina McCall started doing the old crying ones as well now. Has she? Yeah, she's doing a podcast, people crying. Has anyone ever cried on our podcast? Do you know what? We've gotten to a point where we're too kind and we put a joke in to try and get out of it. Yeah, we panic, don't we? Yeah. We should just go silent and watch them weep. So do you reckon that minute's up now and we should carry on? Yeah, the minute's silence. The minute's silence. go nightmare names hi rob and josh i've been working as a teacher at an infant school and there is a girl who has been given the very unfortunate name of oh this is bad bonnie blue no yeah no that's unbelievable what yeah so since the infamous adult movie star has come into the media spotlight the little girl has now so are surnames no it's bonnie blue something oh right Oh, fucking hell.

37:28Since the adult movie star has come into the media spotlight, the little girl has now just become Bonnie. Oh, my God. I bet her parents seriously regret the choice of... Oh, my God.

37:36Josh Widdicombe:That's Sarah boy, isn't it? She did share her toys with over a thousand other boys at the school, though. She does share. She's very good at sharing, though, so she's a good role model. Oh, my God. Right, what was the other ones we had? Third child or not to third child? Warning against going for a third child, this is. We were talking about people who have more than two kids and how it is. Hi, Josh and Rob. I was laughing to myself during your podcast about you musing having third kids. We were on the fence about a third prior to extending the family, but now advocate against it because we went for a scan for our third child in 2019.

38:14And we were then told that we were having triplets. Fucking Nora.

38:20Josh Widdicombe:I think, am I right in saying I might be wrong? I think Jack Dee's a 1-1-2. So James Madison, I think, is a 2-1-2. Bloody hell. James Madison's wife's pregnant again with twins. And he's injured. And he's injured, yeah. It's a shame there's not two Madisons, isn't it? They don't talk them out. So they had two sets of twins. I think there might be another one in there. 1-1-3, this is. This is a 1-1-3. This is a 1-1-3, so five in total. Our family went from two to five kids literally overnight. I can't even work out the percentage. that's like more than 100 % bigger. It's 150 % growth. It's insane.

38:59It's unsustainable growth. Unsustainable growth. We went from two to five kids overnight. They were born just before lockdown and we had five children under five. That's so expensive. Yes, fucking hell. The first couple of years were insane, but actually one thing I will say. No, no, no. Oh, it's actually quite bleak. one thing I would say is the general neglect that the triplets had, I think neglect's too strong a word, but less attention, less attention than they had rather than the singleton babies has made them all very independent and self-sufficient. Yes. Yes. That is a positive.

39:35Josh Widdicombe:I do think this about my son. The difference in experience he has to what my daughter had. I mean, my daughter now had a baby by now, like baby brother, just to be clear, when she was four. But like the amount of things he gets ignored because she's like, it is mental being a second kid compared to a first kid. Well, I mean, imagine being the two kids left after triplets. Yeah, fucking hell. So this lady says, they eat together, sleep in the same room and play together. So most times it's like having one very intense kid. I often look down from the kitchen worktop and see that one of them can now write their name or do their buttons up.

40:16And they basically had to potty train themselves.

40:18Josh Widdicombe:Fucking hell. Okay. It is mad. Yeah, but you're not actually parenting them at this point, are you? You're just watching them exist. I get virtual high fives and instant respect wherever I go from just being the woman with five kids. But suffice to say, my husband Tom had a vasectomy six months after the triplets were born. That very much is the closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, isn't it? Absolutely. So from Kirsty, Tom, Ted, Gus, Flora, Minnie and Rudy in Outronham near Manchester. What a gang. I once bought a washing machine in Altrincham. How often do you think they get invited round as a family for a barbecue?

40:53Josh Widdicombe:Do you know what I was thinking? Invite them round? No. No. They've got one very intense kid split into three. It's like as they get older, they're not going to be able to sleep. Well, they might be able to, but you're probably not going to want them to sleep in the same room. Suddenly, everything like car. Oh, my God, the car. You have to get an eight-seater. Your car, your house, your holidays. holidays. Everything is so complicated. You're just not going on holiday, are you? You're just staying in the UK? Yeah. That's seven flights? Well, I suppose the first two years you could take three on as babes in arms.

41:27Josh Widdicombe:Oh yeah, that'd be all right, wouldn't it? Just have three babies on your lap. There's not enough humans to hold them all. You'd have to give one to a stranger. Babies in arms, imagine all three on your lap. Because you're there, right? So you've got your two children, the five-year-old and the three-year-old on the plane, yeah? The five-year-olds with an iPad, right? Locked in. Three-year-old, drawing, bored, wants to run around. Husband goes, I'm just going to go pop to the toilet. You've got three babies on your lap. Oh, my God. You can't go. Do you know what? I don't want to go to Spain. No, here we go.

41:58Talking of the holidays, this is the hottest you've ever been, we asked for. I do feel hot here, actually. In 2008, I flew from Melbourne to Sudan after a 46-hour journey. What are you doing there?

42:11Josh Widdicombe:Where's Sudan? Somewhere off. How are you spelling it? S-U-D-A-N. Oh, Sudan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. Sudan. Where is it? It's the Middle East, isn't it? Anyway, after a... North Africa. North Africa. After a 46-hour journey, we were finally about to land when the captain cheerily announced, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Khartoum, where it is presently a balmy 52 degrees Celsius. Fucking hell. It was 8 a.m. and the first day of Ramadan, which meant that most of the population couldn't eat or drink from sunrise to sunset. Oh, my word. It's big, Sudan. I spent the next three weeks with the worst gastro.

42:49I think that's stomach bug. Worst gastro of my life. She might just mean gastropub. The worst gastro of my life. Chunky chips for 36 days. I spent the next three weeks with the worst gastro of my life, which was definitely not runner's diarrhoea, as I could only manage to walk like a drunken elephant. Cheers, Reggie from Bularara, Australia. Why did Reggie go to Sudan? I've got a lot of questions for Reggie in his three-week stint in Sudan. It's got to be for work, hasn't it?

43:17Josh Widdicombe:It must be. I reckon it might be working because they do a lot of mining in Australia and I think some of the outback is similar to sort of deserts. Right. That's why I think that was... Let me know. Well, not me. Let us know. Let us know, Reg Reg. Hit me with one more. Hit me with one more. One more. Okay. Longest time doing the school run? Yeah. Always good. Morning, gents. Listening to your discussions about the longest time as a parent of under 18s, My wife is the eldest of eight and turns 40 this year and siblings are aged 38, 31, 26, 23, 20, 13, 11. So well spaced. Therefore, in September, my mother-in-law would have spent 40 years with at least one child aged under 18.

44:03Oh, my God. And will end up doing 47 years by the time the youngest is an adult. Kind regards, Rob.

44:11Josh Widdicombe:Fucking hell. I've got no memory whether that's the best one, but that is insane. It's got to be an addiction, isn't it, to having babies and being pregnant or something? You can't just want that many. There must be like, you get a buzz off it. What is the buzz? Being pregnant, the attention, the feeling of newness. Sex, Rob. What is it? It's called sex. Sex. Just fucking having it. Loving sex. Remember it? It's not all just grinding in Flair's nightclub. I'm going to call one Bonnie Blue, one Jenna Jameson, one Ron Jeremy, one, running out of porn stars here, one Ben Dover, one. Don't show too much knowledge.

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47:01It'll just be like Instagram or like apps I hadn't thought that but probably cool see you next week

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