S12 EP18: Kamille

6:13Kamille:I think it's just part of my job. I feel like I'm an empath, so I'm always, like, connected with people.

6:18Rob Beckett:What would you define your job as? Because you've done everything. Yeah. And it's an amazing career and a weird, quite a weird start into it as well. So if I say what, if you met someone for the first time, what's your job?

6:30Kamille:I would say I'm a singer, songwriter and producer. That is like my bread and butter. Yeah. But I'm a bit of a jack of all trades. I can't lie. I started out as a stockbroker. Yeah. I'm like maths geek and physics geek and stuff. Yeah. And then I walked out of my job. In the rain. It was like a music video. and I literally just walked out it was raining outside I said I'm not doing this anymore how old were you then? I was about 21 I'd just got into my job and that's a good job to get into as well at 21 yeah my parents were so upset with me they were like what are you doing? were they in the industry?

7:04Kamille:no my mum actually was in business my mum was an MBE wow I know

7:09Rob Beckett:for what business?

7:10Kamille:so she was like she helps a lot of people start up businesses does that mean you get married

7:14Rob Beckett:in like St Paul's or something?

7:16Kamille:no no that's obi i think oh i know em's like you know oh he's out here but just be humble right okay like a humble yes a humble award but um yeah so she was kind of like very big on education and yeah went to private school i was very lucky to go to private school it's all you're from strutton i am where's the private school in croydon croydon yeah old palace school no no we i didn't get to go to brit school because apparently you know i had to go to this school instead so you had all these dreams I really wanted to go to the Brit School round the corner and I used to see all the kids going there and being successful stars and I was so upset and then anyway the dance in unison from the tube no literally

8:00Josh Widdicombe:did you ever see anyone famous who you then went on

8:02Kamille:no but I know a lot of people that went there like Ray went there and loads of people that I know that I'm friends with what's Ray like?

8:10Josh Widdicombe:there's going to be a lot of me going what's this person like

8:12Kamille:see like incredible I've known her so long you've known her

8:15Josh Widdicombe:yeah and Jonathan Ross

8:16Kamille:oh my god yeah we've written so many songs together like she's just she's one of the best people you can ever meet is she? yeah she's amazing who isn't? do you know what I won't lie there are a lot of people who aren't nice are they? yeah I think you guys must find that as well it's one of the most disappointing things you find in the entertainment industry is when you meet someone you're like oh yeah I thought you'd be nicer are you not Taylor?

8:39Rob Beckett:no Taylor Sweat and Swift you're doing first name i think she's famous enough have you met taylor how about elton yeah sorry

8:48Kamille:you knew i was talking about oh my god i just was like i know i just felt a little bit i've been in rooms with a lot of people like that though and i've gone up to people like yeah yeah i've worked with nile rogers that was incredible and he was incredible like i literally produced him on my laptop oh my god on your laptop yeah that was incredible we will get onto parenting but

9:07Rob Beckett:This is slightly more interesting. I forgot about that. Without trying to carry it on with that. I forgot why we're here. Like you say, you're a bit of a maths whiz, right? Yes. Now, do you need... Is it helpful to write songs if you're good at maths? Because putting a good pop song together is a bit... Almost like a formula of what works. It can be quite formulaic, yeah.

9:24Kamille:It definitely can. I think... I study people like Max Martin. Like, the Swedes are very... Who's Max Martin, sorry? Britney, the new Taylor album. If you Google Max Martin every pop song you've ever heard of... It's him. Hit me, baby, one more time. It's incredible. Oh, is that him? Okay. He's literally a living legend. Right, okay. So he's very formulaic. If you look at some of the songs, it's very mathematical, it's very symmetrical. It's like, here's the chorus and it does this and it goes to this chord. Almost like an equation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like ABBA. It's ABBA style. It's very formulaic.

9:50Rob Beckett:Yeah, because when I listen to ABBA, I feel like I absolutely love it and I know all the words and I'm dancing and I don't really like ABBA. It's almost like it's... You can't help, but it's like a cult. It's taken over my soul.

10:04Kamille:No, but their songs are so good.

10:05Rob Beckett:They're so good. but why are they good because actually if you look at them if it was a load of shit but when you're into it you're like I can't stop singing or dancing you are going to offend

10:14Kamille:so many people right now of what you've just said all the other people

10:17Rob Beckett:and they will remain offended yeah I've seen Mamma Mia the musical I've watched it I love it but actually if you ask me why I love it I couldn't tell you is it because

10:28Josh Widdicombe:if you put ABBA in parka jackets that made them from like a working class kind of place and you were like Would you then be like, I like Abba, yeah. They've got a bit of swagger.

10:41Rob Beckett:They haven't got enough swagger. That's your problem. Abba's songs, right, and those catchy pop songs like that, feel like they take over my mind and before I know I'm already doing it, an Oasis song takes over my soul.

10:52Kamille:Oh, okay. I hear what you're saying. I think that comes down to, though, the maths of the song. I really do. Because there's certain notes that they've used in that song, which... Dancing Queen. It's very like... there's a lot of songs that do that

11:08Josh Widdicombe:would you discuss the would you discuss things like that when you're writing a song oh yeah

11:15Kamille:we've actually forgotten that we're parents haven't we we're here on a parenting podcast just to check are you a parent I'm willing to put my kids

11:21Rob Beckett:up to adoption to carry on chatting if that's okay music wise

11:25Kamille:no you know what I have written with some of the biggest producers you'd ever know like Steve Mack I don't know if you know who he is he's one of the biggest he wrote Shape of You eventually so okay there is definitely a science I've written 32 songs for Little Mix.

11:39Josh Widdicombe:Have you ever written with or met the guy, what's his name, who does Jack Antonoff?

11:47Kamille:No.

11:49Josh Widdicombe:So he seems like he's just like golden, right? No. So he does Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey. Yeah, he's incredible. The Holy Trinity.

11:57Kamille:He kind of is also another living legend. There's a few people like that who are like, how do you do this so consistently?

12:03Josh Widdicombe:And can I ask one more question before we ask? Yeah, go on. If you've got a child.

12:08Rob Beckett:I love it if you went no and just left. No, I don't actually. Just came for the vibe.

12:12Josh Widdicombe:What does your child think about the maths of music? Which is, what's it feel like? Because obviously you're a performer yourself. Yeah. But you're also a songwriter and producer. Yeah. Does it feel difficult to see other people doing your songs? Or I'm sure you...

12:27Kamille:I get asked this a lot. For me, it doesn't because I write a lot of songs. Honestly, I don't even care. I'm so chill with that. because also I've come to the realisation that every song has this moment so even if it's not for me it will get me somewhere else because I've written a song that could be a hit for someone that's literally how it's worked

12:44Josh Widdicombe:Are you ever writing something for you know X band right and you think do you know what

12:50Kamille:this is fucking too good for them yeah loads of times I'm keeping this I won't say no no I've literally written something and I'm like fuck's sake

12:59Rob Beckett:because we've like writing jokes sometimes a similar way if it's a different type of comedian a different type of cinema You go, I would never be able to say that joke or sing that song. So it's nice to see someone take it and nail it. But if it's one you think, Rob's written all of my tools. I don't know when that happens. Because if I held Romish in a joke about being Asian.

13:18Kamille:I didn't realise that. What you guys do, it's very similar. There's a lot of ghostwriting in comedy. And I didn't realise a lot of people can write other people's jokes.

13:25Rob Beckett:Yeah, so for TV, there's a lot of comedy writers. For panel shows. For stand-up, it's very frowned upon. It's very frowned upon. If you were to perform a joke that someone else wrote in your stand-up. you want me out to tell but I think in stand up that's all you where when you're on TV you're like being employed to do a job although I know a famous

13:44Josh Widdicombe:I won't name them but a famous comedian who employed a writer so you might say like get something to come and watch your show and go have you got any more on these things like okay yeah that's from a friendly way I might give Josh a topper of a joke where yeah but I know a comedian who just paid a writer to work four days and the brief was just write some stand-up. So it was just like, write me just anything that you think I would say. I think the show suffers

14:14Rob Beckett:because it's not from your heart.

14:16Kamille:You could probably get AI to do that now anyway. I know. Let's go and chat GPT.

14:20Rob Beckett:Let's talk about your kids. Okay, yes. Two kids. I have two. The Wikipedia wasn't updated.

14:26Kamille:Yeah. I don't know why. Do you know what? Wikipedia is weird. Some of the things are on there. They're getting a bit aggy

14:30Josh Widdicombe:because of AI now. You've got a strong Wikipedia.

14:33Kamille:I don't know who's updating that. Who updates it?

14:36Josh Widdicombe:Well, at points.

14:37Kamille:The people.

14:38Josh Widdicombe:Fans. Fans. It was so good for Wikipedia at points that I thought, she's written her own Wikipedia.

14:45Kamille:I swear to God I have not touched it. No, well, obviously, because you write the right amount of kids.

14:48Josh Widdicombe:Exactly, true.

14:49Kamille:True, that's proof. There you go.

14:51Josh Widdicombe:It's hard to remember two kids when you've got 32 songs. You've got really extreme fans.

14:55Kamille:I do. I'm on a Telegram with them, actually, with a Telegram account.

14:59Josh Widdicombe:And then she won her first Grammy. You're on a Telegram? I have a Telegram. Just right now what that means.

15:01Kamille:Do you know what a Telegram is?

15:03Josh Widdicombe:it's social media

15:07Kamille:so Josh it's a group where you can connect with fans on a deeper level like a whatsapp group very much so but not so personal but not so personal yeah because you can't see numbers so what kind of

15:16Rob Beckett:can they reply

15:16Kamille:they can yeah yeah it's like a proper chat group and do they know it's you oh yeah they know it's me so they can see who each person is we just chat rubbish to be honest with you we should get a telegram you should

15:26Rob Beckett:parent in hill telegram yeah

15:27Kamille:I do feel like your followers might be quite unhinged though I think I'd be a bit

15:32Rob Beckett:anything to do with parenting there's always the five percent are quite intense either way

15:36Kamille:that's the thing with parenting is what i feel like when it's in a public forum someone's always got something to say that really does annoy me like if you're on tiktok and it's like a parenting

15:45Rob Beckett:video oh my god they just oh my god they're awful i'm like they're the worst trolls of all i think a lot of they're like you know know all parents i know but you'll get grief for like say for example if i went on tiktok and said oh i took my daughter to the park went on the side she only slipped off and like hit her head and someone will go terrible parenting or they will go oh

16:03Kamille:pandering oh my god when she cried do you know what really true yeah what really triggers people no don't get don't get a telegram i think the thing that triggers people the most is seeing mums do the cry out method like if you're letting your child yes right that is a big that is triggering so how old are you you've got sorry yeah back to my children i have an eight month old yeah and harry my daughter three-year-old and a two-year-old two-year-old tj so so where are they at this moment right now tj's at nursery and tari's at home with her dad oh wow yeah mum

16:33Rob Beckett:stay out so how are you splitting the work stay out no one is so pleased to be here i got the

16:38Kamille:cool ones out here see you later guys i'm off to work so who would be the default parent are you

16:44Rob Beckett:splitting it 50 50.

16:45Kamille:to be fair we split everything because we both kind of work from home my husband is like a car content creator he's incredible he's a really famous tick tocker like when we're in the street people push me out of the way how's his name tommy tommy um so you digress you mix it you

17:01Josh Widdicombe:combine your parenting because you're both working from home yeah with your job then if you're writing songs and stuff or producing yeah is that not one of those things where you need to

17:10Kamille:like disappear into it oh my god 100 it's really hard there's different elements to what i do if i'm finishing a song tweaking it then my kids can be in the room like my daughter tari is so growly though like she's she growls all the time you're sampling her i actually have i really really have i don't get why she's so growly she's a cute she's just been growling since birth that's

17:32Rob Beckett:just her vibe so my brother joe was always like that's what growling me she growls but he was like always like miserable like quite a miserable child really like my mom would say like he was always like a bit of as well yeah like quite children kids are just on their own energy

17:46Kamille:she's really happy though but she just growls in happiness she growls she's just be like

17:50Josh Widdicombe:have you seen that's really weird Get Back the Beatles film where they're making Let It Be and there's a bit where they're listening back and Linda McCartney's son or daughter I think it is daughter I thought you were saying

18:02Rob Beckett:Linda McCartney's sausages

18:03Josh Widdicombe:were sitting there Linda McCartney's sausages were sitting there I can't hear anything Linda

18:08Rob Beckett:shut the door it'll never take off Linda McCartney's sausages

18:10Josh Widdicombe:I can't deal with you Linda's daughter's in the mixing room just playing around them and I just thought that must be so

18:17Kamille:do you know what it's not one of those jobs where I think you can bring kids to work very easily like it's just not that kind of vibe you do need to kind of be in the zone and focus and be able to like have wonderful melodies come into your head without your child screaming at you yes yeah that's quite hard but I tend to work out of the house if I'm going to a session so if I'm with an artist in the room I'll go to like where I am now like a studio yes but if I'm at home it's because I'm in my own zone and I'm being there this is a bit like

18:41Rob Beckett:laying down a track

18:42Kamille:it is it is Can you lay something down for me now?

18:46Rob Beckett:But the beat's love. Are you going to sing something for us? No, no, I can only talk. But it's difficult, though, if you are a comedian. Yeah. Because if you're introduced to the world as a comedian, you can't do anything that's serious. That's what I've written.

18:59Josh Widdicombe:The greatest album of all time, right? I still don't think if I released it now. We wouldn't take you seriously. No, even if it was pound for pound the best. We wouldn't. Yeah.

19:08Kamille:That's actually really sad, isn't it?

19:10Josh Widdicombe:I know, it's my absolute trauma, because you should see the songs I'm sitting on.

19:14Kamille:I feel like it's kind of like Harry Potter I feel like Daniel Radcliffe could never be anything else

19:18Rob Beckett:and he didn't really shoot up enough to be Harry Potter did he? That's the elephant in the room I thought he meant that as well I missed it he didn't do enough heroin

19:29Josh Widdicombe:I thought it was like a child star thing

19:35Rob Beckett:in the books Harry Potter turns into his six foot three tall dark mysterious and he's not That's what he meant by shit up. He's a lovely little fellow.

19:44Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, I know. So talk to me about having an eight-month-old. Yes. What's your day like at the moment?

19:51Kamille:You know what? I think because this is our second child, it's chill. Like, because I know who I am now. You're experienced or you care less. I care less. I really just have stopped caring. Not in a bad way, though, but you're not overly worried.

20:06Rob Beckett:That's what we were like. No.

20:08Kamille:and the key for me was with her I sleep trained her

20:11Rob Beckett:oh really my gosh so right before we get into this can you tell me what you did with the first one and then what you did with the second one poor TJ

20:19Kamille:he was just kind of we were so you know cautious about everything everything was life and death oh my gosh he's got a rash oh my god we were ridiculous oh yeah we were that you can't touch him you can't touch the baby like that I was literally like obsessed oh really yeah it was so so stupid when I look back I'm like oh my god what was I doing it was my first time you don't know any different if my parents came to the house and I washed their hands I would breathe fire on them like how dare you touch this child

20:45Josh Widdicombe:what were your parents reaction to that were they like just rolling their eyes at me constantly because their generation would be like

20:50Kamille:and Tommy's even worse than me my husband is even worse than me he is like a hypochondriac literally like so how clean is your car they're supremely clean he gets them clean like once every four days three four days wow yeah

21:02Rob Beckett:Josh's is an absolute shitter it's okay

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22:34Rob Beckett:What was sleep, was you a little bit like, was there no sleep routine with the first one?

22:39Kamille:We left it till, I'll tell you what happened, right? It was about 10 months in and he still wasn't sleeping through the night. And we used to do this thing where we had to pace around with him in the dark. Oh yeah, the classic.

22:49Josh Widdicombe:The pace, right?

22:51Kamille:Every night. And I was like, this can't go on. For hours. Yeah. Then Tommy used to go to a wedding in Chicago, left me in the house with this baby on my own. Oh my God. Right, okay. Were you not invited? No, I was, I thought I'm not going to go with the baby. I just couldn't do all the stress of the plane. And it's a 10-hour flight to Chicago. So I was at home with this baby. And I was like, what am I doing? And he did his usual thing where he started screaming all night. And then Bridgerton was on Netflix. And it got to the point where... This is the trick. Right. This is the trick. I was crying because he was crying.

23:19Kamille:And I couldn't stop him from crying. So it was horrible. I went into the bathroom. And I just cried my eyes out. Now, Tommy is looking on the camera to see what was going on. He's like, come here, come here. The baby's crying. Going back, TJ's crying. And I was like, no. it's me or him it's not going to be me literally and then I put Bridgerton on I made sure caveats this is I made sure he was fed clean yeah of course everything was fine I turned the lights down low I walked out I cried I put Bridgerton on yeah on my air one air pod in yeah okay because I was having like high level anxiety at this point

23:50Josh Widdicombe:is Bridgerton on the screen or is it on an iPad

23:52Kamille:it was on my phone because also as well

23:54Rob Beckett:if the baby's fed and clean warm in a safe place there's crying but the baby's not crying because The baby is fine.

24:01Kamille:The baby will be fine. Okay. This is what we all need to realise. Of course you must go in comfort, but your child is fine. Yes. Okay. So I went into the bathroom. I watched Bridgerton. So you watched Bridgerton in the bathroom? In the bathroom.

24:13Rob Beckett:Okay. Hiding. Crying.

24:14Josh Widdicombe:I think you might be putting too much emphasis on what you watch.

24:17Rob Beckett:Also for someone in music, the acoustics is dreadful.

24:20Kamille:It was so important that it was Bridgerton. Bathroom, airpod. Yeah, because there was this scavenous of Bridgerton. It was beautiful. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, romance. It was just lovely for me. I cried. Tommy's on the phone. What target is this? This must have been like 1am. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And I'd already done about four hours of pain for me at this point. Okay. So then about 15 minutes went by. His cries, sorry, his cries got less and less and less. I was still watching him. I was this close to going in. Then he just went to sleep.

24:45Josh Widdicombe:Yeah.

24:47Kamille:And I said, are you serious? This is all it took. So then I thought, okay, we're going to do this again. So the next day I did it. So I actually didn't sleep train on purpose. It was about trauma.

24:58Josh Widdicombe:pardon did you do Bridgerton again

25:00Kamille:I did Bridgerton again the next episode I did I just finished it slowly on my own and then by the time Tommy got back from Chicago he was sleep trained

25:08Josh Widdicombe:amazing and so did you do the same again no this time we didn't do it through film

25:11Kamille:but this time I did it you know it was much calmer and happier this time but I did it very early it was like four months but allowed them to cry

25:17Rob Beckett:a little bit

25:17Kamille:a little bit not much with Tari with her it was more I had her on a schedule and I knew what would happen and I knew that I had to leave her to learn how to soothe herself because if you don't do that then you're kind of you're stopping them from really integral learning about how to sleep myself this is what i do as

25:31Josh Widdicombe:well yeah i think we all need to do you bring back bridgeton no but the new series is coming so i'm

25:36Rob Beckett:gonna bring it out so if anyone's got a baby that won't sleep nearby you could do the bridgeton

25:40Kamille:special i'm telling you know it works every time and i've actually helped a few of my friends do

25:43Rob Beckett:this as well well we we had to do that with our youngest because nothing worked with the same pacing on our chest and it was sending us mad and then one night we tried that and it worked and it's horrible for about 20 minutes half an hour and it feels like three years it feels like hell but it did work and then she now sleeps soundly perfectly all night and fine where actually the youngest that we didn't do it with she's a bit more of a nightmare going to sleep oh see

26:10Kamille:but isn't it too late no it's not right how old is she

26:12Rob Beckett:eight oh okay

26:17Kamille:it's gonna be fine she's fine she's fine in her own way

26:21Rob Beckett:she wakes up in the night but anyway

26:23Kamille:So how old are your children?

26:24Rob Beckett:10 and 8. 10 and 8.

26:26Kamille:You're so lucky.

26:27Josh Widdicombe:You're out of the woods. No, because you miss it. No? Do you miss this bit? No. No. Not 8 months. See, that's what I mean. Not 8 months. I miss when they're like 2. If you could give me another 3-year-old, I'd take it.

26:38Rob Beckett:Okay. But below that. It's hard. When they're still squidgy and waddling around when they're like 3 and they're hugging you, that is... I do.

26:45Kamille:Do you know what? I see what you mean. Because TJ now, he's so intelligent. He has full conversations with us at 2. He's very smart. I did actually enroll him in this thing called Potential Plus.

26:55Josh Widdicombe:What's this?

26:56Kamille:Well, I went Googling to find out like groups. How smart is my kid? Yeah, literally. Because he was doing numbers and like reciting stuff from like one and a half. So I was like, have I got like... Has he got a past life? Was he one of those kids? Honestly, I've asked all these questions. So it was a bit like beyond what was expected of that age group.

27:11Rob Beckett:I promise you it was weird.

27:12Kamille:Like the things he was doing was like, he was giving us numbers and things at like 12 months.

27:17Rob Beckett:Yeah.

27:17Kamille:It was weird. Wow. So I enrolled him in this thing. Just reciting Bridgerton whilst crying.

27:22Rob Beckett:Yeah.

27:23Kamille:So he's super, super smart. I don't know why I just started talking about it. So what is Past Plus?

27:26Josh Widdicombe:No, Past Plus is...

27:27Kamille:Potential Plus.

27:27Josh Widdicombe:So what is that?

27:28Kamille:It's like a thing you can enroll your child in to kind of like rear them for like higher education and like to basically be in NASA or something.

27:35Josh Widdicombe:Do you talk to Simon Cowell about parenting?

27:38Kamille:Oh my gosh, no. That's one thing we haven't spoken about. Me and Simon are really good friends. Because you worked together for years before the TV show. Yeah, 100%. I worked on The X Factor a long time ago. this was kind of like my introduction into his whole record label and his artists right and I'd be on this on the X Factor and then so what was your job on the X Factor I was like I was enrolled as a coach so I was kind of just there for the vibes but one thing Simon used to do after the episodes with shooting we'd all go back to his house and like get prepared for the next live show do you remember the live shows on the Sundays yeah of course so we'd all go to his house and he'd get like a feast of Chinese he's so generous is he you'd have like anything you wanted in his house Really?

28:19Kamille:Yeah. So I used to go there and just like get loads of like prawn on toasts and just chill out and stuff. And is this after the Saturday night? This was after Saturday night.

28:26Josh Widdicombe:So was Saturday night live as well?

28:27Kamille:Yeah. They were both live.

28:28Josh Widdicombe:So it was Saturday night live and then you go straight to his house?

28:31Kamille:We go to his house, have meetings.

28:32Rob Beckett:And who's there at this meeting?

28:33Kamille:It was everyone.

28:34Rob Beckett:Is Louis there?

28:35Kamille:Louis would be there. Yeah. Producers.

28:38Rob Beckett:Everyone. Dermot.

28:39Kamille:Everyone, yeah. Dermot would come through. Everyone was there. It was incredible. And I'm just this girl. I'm just from Stratum. I just turned up.

28:44Rob Beckett:You must be really young at this point as well.

28:47Kamille:she left at 21 yeah yeah i was about 22 maybe 23 so i was just learning at this point and then after that show finished i remember um it was then you know little mix just got formed and so that's how you ended up working with little mix it was kind of after that i was brought in to kind of help them with their music and stuff and i ended up writing their album got scrapped actually they wrote a whole album and it got scrapped and they might have been i think there was talk about them being dropped

29:13Josh Widdicombe:and then

29:14Kamille:after that we just rewrote a whole album and then Black Magic came and Shout Out to My Ex and then they were back

29:20Rob Beckett:amazing songs and you did both of those yeah that's mad I've done

29:23Kamille:like three songs for them we've had two number ones I think I might be getting this wrong there's a lot of success we've had yeah it's been crazy with them and it's mad because now

29:32Rob Beckett:you saw them as young teenage girls and now they're all got families and kids and mums do you still talk to them

29:41Kamille:I do, I do. Jade, they're all just amazing. Leanne and Perry and Jessie, obviously. And I'm so heartbroken for what Jessie's going through at the moment. Yeah, it's tough. It's so, so, so sad. I just feel like watching them grow into mothers and just face all the mother stuff now as well. We're just women at the end of the day, just trying to get on with it.

29:59Josh Widdicombe:Is the music industry difficult? Because my wife worked in TV before. You see very few, you did see them, but very few women at the top of TV because it's very difficult to get back in. Luckily, she didn't really want to be in TV anyway. Oh, okay, fine. But it was impossible. The hours were, if you go back into this, you'd watch in TV. The hours are meant, like the hours are not nine to five. It's not normal. And then if you have time out to have a family,

30:26Rob Beckett:it's hard to get back in.

30:28Josh Widdicombe:Is music a really difficult thing?

30:31Kamille:I think in the past, there's definitely been this thing of, oh, if you have a baby, you're kind of written off. And I find that so strange because I really feel like postpartum women, I keep saying this, I had a few meetings of like label heads recently and I said, you need to hire postpartum women. They are so laser focused. Okay. We've got shit to pay for now. We've got dreams and goals. Our ambitions are huge and we haven't got time. So we're going to be so productive.

30:55Rob Beckett:And you've got to inspire the next generation that you just produced. 100%.

30:58Kamille:So it is sad that there has been that kind of thing, I think, with kids. But now I think so much has changed in the music industry when now it's about the song more than ever. I don't think there's that kind of you know stupid stereotype about oh if you're a mum you're not cool or you're not this or that and also I don't give a fuck

31:13Rob Beckett:also there's that part like what do you want me to do to sit and I think they can engage with that attitude

31:17Kamille:yeah who gives a shit like I'm a musician and also because I know I'm amazing at what I do I'm just confident in myself

31:23Rob Beckett:so what's the next step for you now is it more writing more like TV work or your own tour because you know if you do go on tour that's really difficult that's going to be difficult I won't lie

31:33Kamille:I don't know how you go on tour with a child.

31:35Rob Beckett:You've got a great driver anyway. I mean, Tommy's going to have to be there.

31:38Kamille:He's going to have to get a people carrier.

31:39Josh Widdicombe:But you're not going to want, like, because we get to go on tour on and off a bit. That's the way comedy works.

31:44Kamille:Do you bring the kids with you?

31:45Rob Beckett:No, no.

31:46Josh Widdicombe:They come to your gig. Because we can go home a lot

31:49Kamille:in the UK.

31:50Josh Widdicombe:We're not doing America or stuff.

31:52Kamille:No, I know. You're so lucky then.

31:54Josh Widdicombe:So most places you can get home from. Do you have dad guilt?

31:58Kamille:Is that a thing? Yeah. Horrific. I feel like mum guilt. Most of the show is us talking about that. Oh. but it's a balance

32:05Rob Beckett:because you know you've got to go to work and you've got to provide but then you're away and then I think it's harder at the start as well it depends on how involved you are where if your wife's doing loads or partner's doing loads of breastfeeding you probably still see your kids

32:16Josh Widdicombe:more than if you were still a stockbroker 100 %

32:19Rob Beckett:yeah that's the way you've got it's just you see them at weird times

32:22Kamille:you're right well I definitely see my kids more

32:23Rob Beckett:than I would have if I worked in a normal 9 to 5 but there'll be periods where I don't see them I went to Australia didn't see them for like three and a half weeks and stuff like that but then I will have I had three whole weeks off of them over Christmas you know what though

32:34Kamille:I didn't think about it from that perspective because I'm okay I've always worked for myself and always like just I've been a career woman my whole life not every woman is a career some women are more you know want to stay at home look after the kids and that's also a career as far as I'm concerned but there's just different types of women but I feel like as men I forget that you guys are kind of expected to be like hunter gatherers and go out and like provide essentially so you're always going to have that guilt I didn't actually think about that

32:56Josh Widdicombe:well it's what you also say about postpartum women like yeah I think I've got much more was it laser focused you said I've got much more approach to work that it's based on like okay I've got to do you know you used to before kids you'd be like oh I'll do a gig oh I haven't really done any thought on it oh who cares I'll just do another one tomorrow I'm a new material gig but now I'm like right I've got to get this tour ready in as sharp a way as possible or I've got to I'll do this TV show because it's three weeks and it's much I think your life feels much more like I work and then I.

33:33Kamille:100%.

33:34Rob Beckett:I think you've got to be, we're obviously self-employed, so it's like I'm now having meetings, if I have meetings about a TV show, for example, I had a meeting this week about a TV show, and they were thinking, well, think about this, think about that. And what I used to do is go, yeah, sounds great, yeah, and be really malleable and go along with whatever they're saying, because you think I need to work and stuff like that. But now I'm on point going, well, no, actually, the only way this will work is if we do it in that time period, this place, and do that. And if it works, it works. If it don't, it doesn't.

33:58Rob Beckett:I shake your hand, you go that way, I'll go this way. 100%. I think it just makes you a little bit more like knowing what you want.

34:04Kamille:Look at us.

34:04Rob Beckett:I know.

34:05Kamille:All focused on knowing what we're doing. I can't believe it. I can't understand how this happened. When did we become... I feel like I'm 17. I know. Yes. When did this happen?

34:16Josh Widdicombe:But do you think that's our generation? Do you think we feel more... Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Like our parents felt older than we are. Yes.

34:24Kamille:Yes. Like my sister is 42 and I feel like...

34:27Josh Widdicombe:That's how old I am.

34:27Kamille:See, okay, 42 is the perfect example Kim Kardashian is in her mid-40s

34:32Rob Beckett:Is she?

34:33Kamille:Yes

34:33Rob Beckett:Yeah, but most of her face is new

34:37Kamille:I won't speak on it I love Kim I do too, I think she's wealthy But you've got to say

34:43Rob Beckett:If you did a DNA test To be fair

34:44Kamille:After it's three years old True, however, I have this theory It's the Kim Kardashian theory, right? She's like the equator for me

34:52Rob Beckett:We've seen her mum She looks about 32 now

34:54Kamille:This is my thing So if she is in her mid-40s if you're younger than Kim then you're fine

35:01Josh Widdicombe:do you see what I mean? don't you feel better? I wasn't feeling bad in the first place now I felt bad

35:09Rob Beckett:and now I'm feeling good again when we were growing up when they were 60 you retired from work you sat in your chair watched the telling and waited to die especially with medicine people are living for much longer you're not going to stop working are you? No. No.

35:26Kamille:But I can't, my job is like, honestly, I'll be in the cinema and an idea will come, a song, a whole song comes into my head.

35:32Josh Widdicombe:When people say an idea for a song.

35:34Kamille:I'm telling you. Is that a melody

35:36Josh Widdicombe:or is that a lyric?

35:37Kamille:Everything. It can be melody, because I'm a producer as well. So because I produce, I get all kinds of ideas.

35:42Josh Widdicombe:I need a fucking dictaphone quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to,

35:44Kamille:I'm in the cinema. I was literally in the cinema the other day with Tommy watching Knives Out. Yeah. And all he heard was

35:52Rob Beckett:No, you're not doing it in the cinema. I was singing in the cinema.

35:55Kamille:By the time I go to the toilet, the idea's gone. You have to record it.

35:59Rob Beckett:It was a whole song. A jury's out on that. That's what Keith Richards did

36:02Josh Widdicombe:with Satisfaction. He woke up with the riff in his head. Oh my God. Keith Richards with Satisfaction. He woke up with his head. He's like, what's that? Worked it out on guitar, played it into a dickhead or whatever he had. That's literally how it happened. Fell back to sleep and then he woke up in the morning and he was like, what's that? That is how it happened. I promise you.

36:18Kamille:I had an idea for, there's a song for Jess Glynn that I did. I'll be there. No, no, not the Jetsu. No, that wasn't me, unfortunately. Package holidays, you contrast. That was not me. But yeah, no, I'll be there. I had the whole chorus.

36:32Rob Beckett:Oh, that's a chick. You wrote that. It just happened. Yeah, I did. So it just comes to you.

36:36Kamille:Yeah, and then it went to number one. And every single time I do that, it goes to number one. It's weird.

36:41Josh Widdicombe:So it just comes in. Yeah, I promise you. Where do you believe that comes from?

36:45Kamille:Well, I'm Christian, so I know it comes from God for me. But a lot of people would say, you know, it just comes from a special place or I don't know. But it is a very magical feeling.

36:53Josh Widdicombe:have you read Rick Rubin's book about

36:56Kamille:no and I need to read this book

36:58Josh Widdicombe:that's quite like he's kind of like the songs will come to you and they will happen

37:01Kamille:there's a book called The Big Magic as well which kind of speaks about stuff like that with all creativity how it just comes to you I think it's called the Bible I know you said you're Christian

37:10Rob Beckett:but I'm not going to yeah

37:11Kamille:the Bible also will tell you all the things you need to know but it's so sad for me as well there's been so many moments in studios where like okay so we're in a session now and we're about to wrap up right I always get ideas right when we're about to go.

37:24Josh Widdicombe:Right, yeah.

37:25Kamille:And I've had that happen so many times and I'm like, guys, stop, we've got to put this down and that will be the song that goes so much. I'm crying out loud. Have those songs come into your head

37:34Rob Beckett:in a certain, do they ever come to you at a certain time of year that you've reflect on or is it just random? Just random. There's nothing you can do

37:41Josh Widdicombe:to go, this makes it happen. No.

37:44Kamille:Put on Bridgerton. It's like, have you seen that film What Women Want with Mel Gibson? Yeah. It's exactly like that. Voices. So you fell in the bath

37:51Josh Widdicombe:with a hairdryer?

37:52Kamille:No. not that part everything except that's it have you always had that

37:57Josh Widdicombe:I have or can you train yourself like have you got better at that

38:00Kamille:I think I've got better at it do you know what's amazing

38:02Josh Widdicombe:I've done it so many times that's so amazing

38:04Rob Beckett:it's so exciting to hear someone talk about this when they've literally got the back catalogue proof

38:08Kamille:okay yeah yeah because it sounds a bit like especially in the UK

38:11Rob Beckett:people don't like sort of backing themselves a bit I don't get that over here but it comes to you but all these number ones you've had yeah you're not making it up but also I'm not going to

38:19Kamille:use that as hard because that's another thing I'm not going to act like what I'm doing in this freaking rocket science. It's me going, and then just, like, that's it. You're actually the USB lead from the universe

38:29Rob Beckett:to the...

38:29Kamille:Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. That is my thing. I think people make the music stuff really serious. And I'm like, at the end of the day, guys, we are in a studio. We probably just had a bunch of delivery and we're all sitting here chatting shit and we've written a song.

38:41Josh Widdicombe:It's part of... It's not that deep. There was a producer, there was a music producer.

38:46Kamille:Maybe I'm wrong. It might be a bit of that.

38:50Josh Widdicombe:Sorry. There was a music producer that his son was at nursery with my daughter. And he was so unassuming and nice. And I thought, oh, is that one of the tricks of being a producer? Is that basically you're making people feel comfortable and you're making people... Because I imagine it's like, come on, guys, let's hit this. But it's not like that at all. It can be like that sometimes. Can it? Yeah, sometimes I can. What are you like?

39:13Kamille:I can be a bit of both. I'm definitely, as I said, I'm an empath. I'm really good at getting stories out of people. Right. I like to eat food. that's a really big part of my studio session you've got that from Cal from the Chinese buffet yeah definitely I think

39:24Rob Beckett:do you find yourself in a situation where random people just come up to you you're like a magnet to random people I am people tell me secrets

39:32Kamille:all the time and I really eavesdrop a lot like I'm always listening to stuff that's how I get a lot of my ideas I get a lot of my ideas from Love Island Love Island is like the best thing to watch for song ideas it's like watching

39:45Rob Beckett:in real time because it's just like sort of you're sort of like unfiltered love and thought emotion coming straight out in young impressionable people

39:55Kamille:in really really kind of like because that's your audience really isn't it yeah exactly

39:59Josh Widdicombe:Kathy Burke said to me that she says to all young actors watch reality TV because that's how people actually act 100 % that's such a good advice don't watch drama yeah watch reality TV because that's what you should be performing

40:12Kamille:yeah you should 100 % I love it I'm just really nosy though and I stalk people a lot online

40:17Rob Beckett:do you yeah I do. It's filtering in. It's all soaking up.

40:21Kamille:You have to. If I'm working with an artist, I stalk them. Do you stalk the artist? Do you? 100%. Have to. I need to know about you.

40:27Josh Widdicombe:So you'll go, I'm working with Ray.

40:29Kamille:Yeah.

40:30Josh Widdicombe:I'll go back through her Instagrams. And then will you drop, will you go, I thought your holiday in 2022 looked a bit shabby.

40:37Kamille:Oh, you stayed at a two star hotel, didn't you? No, no. I mean like, more in a way to kind of understand their life. Like I'll check, you know, Daily Mail, where they've been stumbling out of. Yeah. things like that. Like I want to just know about them on a deeper level. And then when they start talking about stuff, then I can kind of bring up bits and bobs. So if you're trying to write a song,

40:57Rob Beckett:can you sit down and write one in a room? Yeah. But will it be as good as one that just comes?

41:02Kamille:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can be. It's two ways you can put them together. Lots of different ways to write a song. Which one do you enjoy more? I think I prefer the ones where they just come because it's just a lot easier. Like sometimes honestly sitting and crafting a song is like, oh, for fuck's sake.

41:16Rob Beckett:how long is this gonna take and is that more like a maths equation that you're doing like you said

41:20Kamille:yeah you can always tell when a chorus you have isn't good enough right do you know what i mean you can 100 like i'm trying to give you an example okay when i okay when we wrote solo for clean bandage remember that song yeah the i think the chorus initially went i wanna

41:44Kamille:But it just wasn't right. I liked it. Did you like that? I was like, that'll do. That was not it. Clog off, guys. It wasn't good enough. And then we went and went and went and went and went. So we got, I'm on a, but I'm broken hearted. Crack, crack, crack, but I like to party. Like that took us. That is better, actually. It's better, isn't it?

41:59Rob Beckett:You're wrong, Josh. Yeah, I was wrong.

42:02Kamille:This is the thing. Sometimes just doing that.

42:05Rob Beckett:I remember when they did that Cortina advert for that phone. Oh, my God. That was a misstep.

42:08Kamille:I have written a lot of songs for adverts that are really annoying, though. I'm so sorry. What song? I like little advert jingles. I don't write advert jingles, but I tend to... Can you tell me when you've heard? Things have then ended up in adverts. And become really annoying for people.

42:21Rob Beckett:Then I'll tell you one after.

42:23Kamille:Okay. One I did that was really annoying is... I know that one. What's that from? Sax by Fleur East. Yes. Shout out Fleur. I love you, but that song was all over the TV on Christmas, yeah.

42:37Josh Widdicombe:Do you think she'll be the new host of Strictly?

42:39Kamille:I really hope she will.

42:41Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. I love Flirt so much. Is she in the running for that? Yeah, because she hosts It Takes Two. Yeah, the after show. Yeah, It Takes Two.

42:47Kamille:Oh, I would love that for her. Please. She'd look amazing as well in the outfit. She would.

42:52Rob Beckett:It's all about the outfit each week. She's literally the loveliest person

42:54Kamille:and her mum as well. So she gets it.

42:56Josh Widdicombe:I think she'll be two women. I like that you're trying to bring it back to the topic even if we're not.

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43:59Rob Beckett:spring is here and there's a whole new way to chai at starbucks that's made perfect for you choose your sweetness dial it up or keep things light add a touch of pistachio a hint of strawberry or vanilla or make it a spring classic with lavender because this season there's endless ways to chai at starbucks are your kids musical because they've come from a double musical i know

44:28Kamille:No, they are so musical. TJ is obsessed with Michael Jackson, obsessed with Queen.

44:33Rob Beckett:Yeah.

44:34Kamille:Like he, I think it's really... How old is he too? He's too.

44:36Rob Beckett:Does he like music or dead people?

44:38Kamille:I'm done with you. I cannot deal. Do you know what it is? I feel like it's my responsibility to teach him, stop it. Sorry. All the important like gods of music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If that's one job I have as a parent, especially with artists that have passed, after getting to sleep, they need to understand the gods of music so they can imagine your child didn't know who Freddie Mercury was like that's a crime so I feel like I have to do that and breathe it in

45:05Josh Widdicombe:so who are the top five gods

45:06Kamille:okay so I'm not going to answer that question because it's very very very controversial

45:09Josh Widdicombe:just give me a list of the gods some gods okay some gods

45:12Kamille:okay alright Queen obviously

45:14Josh Widdicombe:Michael Jackson

45:17Kamille:Beyonce Stevie Wonder oh there's so many Beatles Beatles of course Sting Sade like

45:25Rob Beckett:I think Sting and Shardell are pushing their luck in that top five

45:28Kamille:how dare you Sting police are you serious okay George Michael

45:33Rob Beckett:oh he's good what's the difference you're going to fight between George and Sting I've taken George over Sting are you I think it's because I think of him as a bit too bendy and sexy okay I feel like him shagging has over over shone the music okay

45:47Kamille:do you know what I mean

45:48Rob Beckett:because he was well into that and I feel like anyone that

45:50Kamille:I think I think Sting the police

45:52Josh Widdicombe:I buy yeah and George Michael and wham I buy right not so fond of the solo stuff

45:58Kamille:I love the solo stuff

45:59Rob Beckett:I just think don't get me wrong I don't mind having sex

46:01Josh Widdicombe:but I'm not bothered about all the angles from a musician point of view I thought George Michael I didn't I've stopped listening

46:08Kamille:he's just it's like he's just getting worse and worse as the episode goes on it's really really unhinged now

46:14Josh Widdicombe:it's because he knows he's getting a rise out of it I know I know

46:19Kamille:I know I know

46:20Josh Widdicombe:I like the guests

46:22Kamille:to start with their arms crossed

46:23Rob Beckett:and finish with their arms crossed I know

46:25Kamille:We've literally come through so many emotions together in this episode.

46:28Josh Widdicombe:Oh. Go on. Doesn't matter.

46:35Josh Widdicombe:Next question. Oh my God. Next question. Are you going to be leaving instruments around for them to ply?

46:40Kamille:There's instruments everywhere, all over the house. Really? So we have the music room where I work. There's a piano and TJ goes and they go, Mama, is this good? And I go, yes, baby. And that's the one who's going to work at NASA, yeah? Yeah. Same child. And then Tari, my daughter, she's got like this little baby keyboard thing and there's drums. And my house is so noisy. Like between that and the growling. And it's just, it's a lot. I love the growling. It's so noisy in my house. And then on like the iPod and the iPod on the, what's the thing in the HomePod, the Apple HomePod thing, where you can just connect your phone.

47:12Kamille:There's always some kind of music playing in the house. The speaker, the Bluetooth speaker. Have you played them your own music? Yeah, I have actually. TJ really likes my songs, but some songs he really hates. Really? Of mine, yeah.

47:23Rob Beckett:Would you prefer writing them for people or going out and doing them yourself and doing your own thing? Because you've sort of had, you've straddled both.

47:28Kamille:I think I like a bit of both. I think for me, it's been a lot harder because I've just struggled to kind of find my direction. I think it's the curse of a songwriter, actually, because I can write so many different genres. I'm like, who am I? Do you know what I mean? I'm giving myself that grace.

47:43Josh Widdicombe:Yeah.

47:43Kamille:Because I think in this industry, everyone's like, you have to be this and you have to be that. And I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I just want to make some music that's fun and enjoy it.

47:50Rob Beckett:We spoke to what was amazing with Gabrielle oh my god who's incredible and also the way she spoke about she had like a career break for her kids and then came back again and very much did it on her own terms yeah 100 % and I think it really you have to resonates more than sometimes especially in music it's a bit of a kick bollock scramble of like you're 70, 18 album, album, album get to this level do that it's so stupid you know when you look at like Lewis Capaldi and the pressure he's put on himself and how much it's affected him it's like and he's so talented but it's so much pressure

48:18Kamille:it is really that's the hardest bit I think once you've because the best bit is in the studio when you're just making the magic. That's the best bit. It's like a bubble. And you're not thinking about

48:25Josh Widdicombe:how it's going to get out there. You're just enjoying it.

48:26Kamille:And then some stupid person comes and goes, oh, I don't think that's going to work on radio. Welcome to be a comedian on TV. Is that what happens with you guys?

48:35Rob Beckett:It's not the same as music because you can go out and say whatever you want at a comedy club and do your shows. But what I mean is like, it's just that there's lots of layers that it's got to get through. Yeah, but I think it's going to change. I think music's going to be slightly different, but they're like, especially within comedy and like TV, with podcasts and stuff like that, people are cutting straight through. And I think eventually in music, I think Ray's gone on her own now, hasn't she? She's independent. Yeah.

48:58Kamille:I feel like that's honestly the new, that should be the new thing though, is just to do it your own way.

49:02Rob Beckett:I think a lot of stuff, people talk about like industry plants and stuff like that, where someone is decided by a record label they're going to be big. Before you know it, like, you know, I don't want to name names because it's unfair on the artist, but there's an artist that comes into my algorithm when I listen to music. I've never said this person's name out loud. It's a racist. I've never searched this person.

49:21Kamille:I think it's good and bad. I think sometimes it's good because it can help you discover someone that you didn't realise. But then obviously you don't want to be fed the same thing. So I think I blame the algorithm for stuff like that. Because I feel like, even sometimes when I'm on TikTok and I'm like, why am I seeing the same thing all the time? But then if it was me in my video, I wouldn't complain. No, cool. But I do think there's going to be a counter,

49:41Rob Beckett:you know, there's going to be that punky movement where people go, no one else knows about this person. I want to like them. That's definitely happening. And it'll come through sort of like TikTok off their own back, not pushed by it. 100%.

49:53Kamille:Even just the way now, like, TikTok is the place for music to break. Yeah. Which is just such a different world for me.

49:58Rob Beckett:Also old songs to then go to number one after four years because it's got caught in it. Yeah.

50:03Kamille:But then I love it. A lot of people don't like the fact that TikTok breaks music, but I actually love it. I think it's good. I think it's so good. Because a lot of people are like, why am I having to, a lot of artists feel like they have to go on TikTok and like do this performance of shit when they just, and make content. Like a lot of artists are like, why are we having to make content when we're musicians but it's part of the job now.

50:21Josh Widdicombe:It's only the equivalent

50:22Rob Beckett:of having to go on top of the pops.

50:24Kamille:100%. It's the new norm. You find your own way

50:26Rob Beckett:of doing content. Like Oasis, right? Yeah. But if Oasis came out now they'd be all over TikTok. It wouldn't be Noel going hi guys, I'm going to make some dinner. That's so true. It would just be them chatting. Do you guys have to do that content? What do you feel like?

50:38Kamille:What do you think this is?

50:41Rob Beckett:There's four cameras staring us out. We tried to do it all the way but fucking legal. Okay, so outside of the podcast and when you're doing like Do you feel like you have to do bits?

50:48Kamille:For more money, yeah. No,

50:52Josh Widdicombe:like you feel like you have to do social media and stuff, but also you have to do it in your own voice. For awareness to sell tickets.

50:59Kamille:Oh, okay.

51:01Josh Widdicombe:You could come off social media, but it's basically the way of, it's the news feed for your fans. I quite enjoy it as well sometimes doing social media in the right way.

51:09Rob Beckett:Yeah, it's fun. It's easy for comedians because we're just, we're trying to show off our personalities essentially. It's hard for musicians.

51:16Josh Widdicombe:You could be a musician in the 90s or the 80s or the early 2000s. You didn't need to have a personality.

51:22Kamille:I know. And also you weren't seeing...

51:24Josh Widdicombe:Nothing to him, was there?

51:26Kamille:You also weren't seeing what other musicians are doing. Because I always say that Michael Jackson wasn't watching what Stevie Wonder was doing every day. That would throw you off your game.

51:33Rob Beckett:Stevie Wonder certainly wasn't watching what Michael Jackson was doing every day. I fell into that one.

51:36Kamille:Guys, I'm sorry.

51:40Rob Beckett:I'm sorry. That was my fault. I fell into that one. I was messing when they did Tiki Taka. Just tapped it in. Sorry. But you know what I mean?

51:46Kamille:I just feel like musicians are constantly thrown off their game it's not easy

51:50Rob Beckett:is it the final question Josh?

51:53Kamille:no is it the final question?

51:55Josh Widdicombe:I want to say it all day

51:57Rob Beckett:I'm enjoying it so much anything you want to plug?

52:02Kamille:it's time for my shameless plug

52:06Rob Beckett:we use that as a jingle

52:07Kamille:it's time for my shameless plug it really does just come to you

52:13Josh Widdicombe:doesn't it?

52:14Kamille:So I'm Camille. Go and follow me now on all my socials. Every single one. I want you to find them all. Then I want you to go and stream all my music. I have songs on Spotify. This very app that you might be watching this podcast on. Oh, this is good. Then I want you to go and listen back to all historical forms of information and songs from me. Then I would like you to get prepared because I have new music coming. by the time this is out hopefully my management would have coordinated this to drop it at the same time something coming I don't know what it is yet but a minimum of a choosing which song it's going to be love you guys end of the shameless plague

52:55Josh Widdicombe:amazing so the last question and it is sad because this has been a joy has it really?

53:01Kamille:it has can I apologise for certain interjections

53:03Rob Beckett:that I was proud of and I didn't want to upset you but it's part of my job

53:08Kamille:you wouldn't be you if you didn't do that I couldn't I was waiting, I was ready for it.

53:12Josh Widdicombe:So, what one thing does your partner do that makes you, as a parent, that makes you go, what an incredible partner, so glad he's with me as the father to my children and what one thing annoys you that you haven't brought up but worry to listen to this and crucially get this far through?

53:28Kamille:Oh my God. Alright, let me do the first part. You might have to remind me about the second part of that question because I've forgotten it already. The first part, the thing that Tommy does, I did think about this. There's many things he does but for me he is like a janitor in our house so all the alarms are set when i go to bed all i hear is and everything it's like fort knox yeah okay he takes out all the bins now i am quite an i don't mind taking bins out yeah i'm happy to go in the rain take the bins out i was sweeping maggots the other day like i'm i get down okay yeah but he will take out the bins like no questions asked in the rain.

54:08Kamille:The third thing he does for me is he arranges all the car seat things which are extremely annoying.

54:17Rob Beckett:Sounds like a wonderful member of staff.

54:18Kamille:Car seats. Car seat phalanges. I call them phalanges. All the car seat phalanges that we women don't want to do because we have nails. We have things to think about.

54:27Josh Widdicombe:What's a car seat phalange?

54:29Kamille:All the phalanges. The magical phalanges that go behind the car seat. what's they called the little thing you slide it into yeah yeah he does all of that yes i just turn

54:41Rob Beckett:up to the car and it's phalangeed yeah okay tommy is just incredible and he does this every single

54:49Kamille:time and he still opens the door for me oh when we get into a car yeah he opens my door in the rain so i love him so much and i think the number one thing he does that i love the most is even when i honestly really do look like sometimes he still finds me very attractive and sexy and i think that's really cute i know he's lying but sometimes you look beautiful baby i'm like so i love him so much and what's the thing that annoys you he does things so slowly oh my gosh if i ask tommy tommy can you just go and get the thing from over there can you go and get the baby bottle from over there the baby's crying she's right now can you get the baby all

55:34Kamille:10 fucking years later he just does things in his own time yeah Tommy I know if you listen to this don't be angry but it's true he's just very slow

55:43Josh Widdicombe:I've loved it thank you so much thank you for coming in did we talk enough

55:47Kamille:about parenting we never do

55:50Josh Widdicombe:that's the end of every issue

55:53Rob Beckett:we're parents

55:54Kamille:they're still alive no it was good actually

55:56Rob Beckett:it was talking about the sleeping thing and Bridget and that was a good bit that's true that was a really good parenting bit yeah okay good music with your kids yeah yeah it's a good summary how the births my births were wild

56:10Kamille:is this right let's do that that's wild y 'all okay now i wanted an epidural yeah i didn't get my epidural both times because my body rejected it it just did not want for some reason it didn't work both times and both times i've dilated in like an hour So basically both times I wanted to have a nice, you know, water birth. I ended up like having the baby the minute I got into the hospital. Oh my God. I might as well have had the baby in a bush. I had no pain relief. Yeah. I had nothing. Oh my God. Both times. Both times it happened. And the second time it happened, I said to the midwives, guys, I'm going to, I'm going to give birth in a minute.

56:48Kamille:So I need epidural now. Please, please, please. Oh no, it's fine. Go take a walk. Go take a walk down the corridor. They love telling you to go for a walk, don't they? They told me to walk down the fucking corridor and come back.

56:57Rob Beckett:You go for a fucking walk to get an epidural.

56:58Kamille:i'm not gonna make it to the corridor babe i'm not and i didn't baby came out and i might as well have had them in a bush it just really upsets me i should have them in the garden i should

57:07Josh Widdicombe:have done it at home you should have just done it at home the lambo i literally oh not with those seats all over the shop did you have nice births not you personally obviously but did you support the birth emergency cesarean followed by a cesarean because they didn't want to go again on the gamble.

57:29Kamille:I understand.

57:31Josh Widdicombe:So that was an electric one. Actually, the second one, I mean, the first one was horrific because it's like being in a medical drama.

57:41Kamille:It is horrible.

57:42Josh Widdicombe:And then the second one was the most relaxing experience in history. Music? Yeah, they just put on magic radio and they were like, literally like, so are you going over? I'm like chatting about the holidays. It was unbelievable. The difference in atmosphere between the two of them. Wow.

58:04Kamille:Do you feel like that's affected? Are your children, did you find that their starting life was slightly different?

58:09Josh Widdicombe:Well, I don't know because I had nothing to compare it to. I heard this thing yesterday. Not yesterday. Last week that it affects your personality. Apparently.

58:18Kamille:That's what I was asking.

58:19Josh Widdicombe:I need to look more into that.

58:20Rob Beckett:I was born in a corridor. Says it all.

58:22Kamille:They explain so much. Perfect then. Were you really?

58:28Rob Beckett:Yeah. Wow. There was no beds. Banging out in the corridor at five o 'clock.

58:33Kamille:Are you serious?

58:34Rob Beckett:Up and out, ready to go. Yeah.

58:38Kamille:Guys, I'm going home, all right? This has been so lovely. First time I guess I've ever ended at a safe. Thanks, Camille.

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