S12 EP2: Prince Naseem Hamed

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2:33Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hour with... Orla. Can you say Rob Beckett? Beckett. Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett. Good girl. Can you say Josh Widdicombe? Josh Widdicombe. You are so God. I love that laugh. Let's hear that laugh again. You are so God. It's like a kitchen or bathroom though, echoey. This is my 23-year-old month, Orla, doing your introduction. My husband and I love the pod and you've kept us laughing over the past two years. Stay sexy. Didn't need to be so specific about... We listened for a year before that and didn't laugh once. But you have picked it up. Or we had a gap in the middle.

3:18Stay sexy and relatable. Bethany, 393 months. Wakefield. From the south, accent doesn't match. There we go. Wakefield. Nice. Talking of people from the north. Oh. Prince Nassim Hamid today. Yes. This is exciting. But this is our first visualised podcast together. Yes. So should we explain where we are? Yeah, so we don't want to make this annoying for people that are just listening, but we are doing these in vision now. and we did have a studio set up. We bought a studio. We've kitted it out. Say we, Michael's done everything. Michael's done it all. But the electrics have failed there for some reason.

3:51On the first day. So now we are in a last minute random studio in Soho surrounded by amps and guitars. Yeah. So this isn't going to be our normal set up. We haven't got proper lighting. We've got two lamps that look like they're from Habitat and one that looks like it's from a kind of 70s living room. Yes, and loads of guitars. So going forward, we will be in... But if there is anything more perfect for this podcast than the shambles of us being in a temporary studio for the first interview... With a man who, let's be honest, we were scared of meeting. Yeah, a man who is only five at three, but could still beat us up.

4:27And also is sort of intimidatingly charismatic, confident, and also quite intriguing because he sort of disappeared. And now he's come back out on the PR trail for this new film. Yeah, and we're the only podcast he's doing and he was very clear about that to us. Yes, he's a, for me, a hero of mine growing up. So to see him in the flesh was quite magical. It is an interview like no other we've done. I was worried about it. About five minutes in, I went, oh no, this is going to be brilliant. Also, I said his name wrong. No, but I think that was... I thought his name was Nazeem Ahmed, but he's not, it's Nassim.

4:59Yeah, but because he's called Naz. I assume that the S was a Z. Yeah, there we go. I would say as well, from all the boxers we've interviewed, I'd say that he is really into his children and into family life which you don't always get and you're not really expected of him he loved it and we should say he brought his wife who was in the gallery and he brought his son who was in the same room as us and you will hear chipping in throughout from his son his eldest son Sammy Sammy who's 27 here is Prince Nassim Hamed enjoy

5:33Prince Nassim Hamed welcome to Parenting Hell. So let me just correct you so you know exactly how to say it. Go on then, sorry. It's Nassim. Nassim? Yeah, not Nassim. So when I was young, as a nickname it was Naz. Right. And I still love Naz. Apologies, what a terrible way to start. No, no, it's cool. You didn't know. No, I didn't know because I thought everyone calls you Naz. And I thought it'd be too like, you know, personal to go in, all right, Naz. But now I'm reflecting on it. It's not too personal. no okay it's it's cool in the game are you nervous about this interview rob well i find that no he's not i am i could tell i am the biggest boxing fan i mean if you are a boxing fan yeah of course you are a nassim even if you're not a boxing fan yeah exactly but if you are there's certain fighters in world boxing that when they come into a room it can it turns you to like a little excited schoolboy again and Naz is one of them brings back memories yeah when you came in you would be very complimentary to me which hopefully you could repeat on I'm going to do now oh it's so good it was good wasn't it if you're listening have a guess what he's about to compliment Rob on no they would never ever know I mean when I walked in and even before when I found out I was doing this podcast which I don't do many podcasts I don't know if you know this I know that yeah I actually said that I've been watching Rob I've watched his haul come up and I was going to say to both of you honest I'm not just saying this I want to congratulate both of you on all your success because it's good to see young talent and just doing their stuff and just making dough

7:22and I know you are Mo so it's good young guys It's just, you know, you're living your life, you're doing what you need to do. And that's why I'm congratulating you today and saying, I've seen you on loads of stuff. I'm enjoying this smoke being blown up my arse. We're going to have to move on. But what I would say is, without people like you, when I watched when I was younger, I wouldn't have had the confidence to go on. But seeing someone like you go from nothing on the streets of Sheffield, putting up with racism in the street, to go up to be loved by the whole country was an incredible rags to riches story that resonated with a whole generation of working class people.

7:56stuff like that. People have often called you the prince. Listen, I swear to you, I'm not bragging when I say it to you. Please do, because that's when you're at your best. I'd love to say it was just by the whole country, but it's not. No. I'm like Wi-Fi, I'm all over the world. You need to understand, Rob. Yeah. When I was doing my thing, it was global, baby. Yeah. Global. But let's talk about where you are now. how many kids have you got now so i've got three beautiful boys i've got one with me at the moment sammy sammy's in here watching it's the first time he can check to see if you're talking sammy's in the house so he's he's my oldest how old sammy he's 27 yeah and he's uh he's a professional fighter and he's very good too he fights like me so that's he's exciting his first fight you just need to watch his first fight because his entrance yeah in front of thousands of people and i was there watching my son like thinking my oldest son's gonna make his first ever debut not even as an amateur he didn't fight as an amateur so watching him as a pro for his first fight and it was in it was in dublin it was in a bigger a big arena but i did fight in that arena you're right do you feel nervous watching your son fight not really no no well i've got confidence within his ability yeah and I know he can hit so obviously he comes from good stock yeah yeah because you had a great quote when obviously with any son of a former fighter and especially the statue you got to there's that question of like is he going to be as good as you and stuff like that you had you had a brilliant response to that question I just said who's going to be as good as me the thing is I really meant it and you know what I ain't joking you gotta be some kind of super done to be as good as me I don't give a and I know that my style just had it was more of like a martial artist style and it wasn't just a normal boxing style.

10:17It was like you get hit from places that you didn't even know exist. Here's a question for you then because you've got such a clear persona. When you say I'm not bullshitting you, we know you like, but you are, you know, the Prince Nassim that we know from like the last 30 years. You don't change, do you? If you are who you are, you don't change. Are you like this at home when you're parenting or is there a second kind of... Oh, that's a good question. I mean, my son's right here. He could tell you himself. No, I'm not really different. I mean, there is a very, very religious side to me. Yeah.

10:52And I'm really happy about that. And I honestly can say to you, the person I am today is the person I've always wanted to be. Yeah. When you're bringing up sons, and that's the only reason I brought this up, because parenting is important. I'm an ambassador of Islam. I love my faith. So how would you feel if the boys, as they got older, were like, look, Dad, I know that's your thing, but I'll be religious, but I'm not as committed to being as connected as you are. Impossible. Impossible. Impossible. We're getting impossible from Sammy. Well, the thing is, when he says impossible, he doesn't mean impossible in a bad way where, for him personally, he's experienced a life of letting him do what he wanted to for a certain amount of time and then all of a sudden things changed and that change within my oldest son brought it down to my other two sons which was amazing because he became a serious older brother then what through his faith?

12:01one million percent loads of boxers especially the highs you went to and the attention you got and you love, you know, you love, from the outside, you look like you love attention, you love showing off, you love being the centre of attention. But after boxing, that goes naturally because you're not filling arenas, you're not fighting. But most boxers struggle with that. It feels like you've gone back to your home and your family and you're not as, you could go on every show ever if you wanted to. Is it your faith that's keeping you? I come to see you, Rob. Is it me then? Is that me? So when you say it, it's contractually obliged.

12:35Let me take you back then for a second on what you've just said. There was a time in my life after I stopped boxing where I just wanted to be with my boys. I wanted that input to put in the kids and to bring them up, to have that time with them and spend time with my wife and travel with them. And we travelled all over. We had some amazing holidays, amazing experiences. once that time got to a stage where the boys then started boxing themselves then obviously i wasn't gonna leave that i wasn't just gonna say look crack on i've got nothing to do with it yeah and it's not even that i've got loads to do with it now like i'm not one of them dads that will go and watch them train all the time or even they got to stand on their own two feet that's what i've said but there came a time where people start making movies about you yeah do you think now the boys have grown up then that you've got that little bit of energy again to be a bit more in the public eye or do more things like projects always yeah a little bit but not even just that it's my time my time came i had my time where i was chilling and probably chilled way too much I mean everybody wants to jump on so many things when they finish their careers whether it's TV they don't want to miss out the money is so important and where I I did alright do you know what I mean I was good what I did in my career I was financially secure for the rest of my life and I didn't have to go on all these so many shows like you've not seen me on all these shows yeah because you've come from very humble beginnings yeah and that's engendered in you various kind of characteristics and then your sons obviously as you say you're kind of set up for life yeah how do you deal with that situation in terms of these guys thank God from from the very start we sent them out to work and they've experienced doing their experience different kinds of jobs to know that where'd you send them well sammy's right there i mean he he worked in a few you wouldn't want to go through the cv trust me oh i've never known any cv i want to go through more so what is it sammy where'd you go retail for three years retail three years I was in Casper's ice cream parlour.

15:15Oh, not Casper's. I'd just come out of school, yeah. So you were forced to go and earn money and work proper jobs? I had no money, so I had to go out and get my own money. Right. So talk us through that. I'm going to give you the reason why. Can I ask what you... Obviously, you're providing with shelter and food and stuff like that, but was there no pocket money? What did they get? I can't remember. Did you get pocket money? They got money every now and again, But my whole thing was once they reached a certain age, they were men. They weren't just going to just sit around home with a handout thinking they were going to get loads of money.

15:52I made money from a very young age. I was like champion of Europe. The whole of Europe at the age of 19, 20. So I was making some serious money from a young age. By the age of 21, which is still very, very young, I was already a millionaire with a black American Express. He was in Casper's. And he used to say to me when I was your age, I was world champ. That's right. You used to say to him I was world champ at your age. So it got to the time where I wanted them to feel it because I had younger brothers and still got younger brothers. One of them passed away. Allah have mercy on him. I realised by buying my brothers houses and taking away the burden of a mortgage but giving them more money and businesses and different things, they never, ever really worked.

16:57And it kind of ruined them. And I thought, this is not going to happen with my three boys. I want my boys to understand what a day's graft's like, a week's graft, a month's. Sammy spent a good amount of time. working hard and then his brothers saw him have normal jobs like my but my i remember one of my younger brothers saying how can we go out and get a job when we're your brother people to realize where where the brother of and i'm like you guys have got to work you can't think like that can i just ask a quick question it hurt me so sammy were you annoyed annoyed when he was like Is that part of you?

17:40I love that question. Give it him! You know what the truth is? Me and my brother Adam, we were pretty lively kids anyway, and my dad used to say to us, the more money, the more mischief. And if you haven't got any money, you can't really get up. So it was a little bit like that. Yeah, if you worked hard, you get more money, you could do more things. So obviously, after a good amount of time of watching them work, now they're not doing them kind of jobs. now they're like professional sportsmen yeah and they're earning dough and they're doing well giving your brothers that money then the only thing i really regret you know do you know what i really regret i mean i mean bad go on is that when i was really young i didn't always do my five prayers a day in my heart that upsets me that's a regret if i ever had a regret but you You don't beat yourself up over that.

18:38But I don't beat myself up over it. Last person you want to be beating up over. But if I have a regret, I think to myself, there ain't regrets about stuff that you're thinking about. It's like a personal thing. But also, if you're 21 and you're earning money and your brothers are there, you think you're doing the right thing by your family. Yeah, I was doing the right thing by my family. That's a class. That's a working class expectation. Where if one person does well, the rest should profit. It's not just working class expectation. it's like just empathy. Do you know what I mean? You've just done that as a nice thing.

19:11Yeah, but I think when, if you come from no money in that house, someone would come home with something and it would be shared, you know. You know, it's really funny because I've never really discussed this with anybody. We're good interviewers. I know, but have you ever heard me discuss it before? It's something though, but it's dictated your future behaviour because you learnt that, you know, people think that having a bit of extra money will solve all the issues, but actually if you've worked hard yourself, and you've achieved it, it'll be much better for you to feel than to be handed out. Listen, the whole thing is Sammy, Adam and Sol need to know, and now they do and understand, the value of a pound.

19:55They need to know the value of money. And I know that he knows the value of money now.

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20:39no tell me about Quitter's Day well basically Quitter's Day is the second Friday in January yeah that's when most people give up oh that's a bit sad isn't it it is sad isn't it so what can we do about it? Apple Watch go on tell me it's a little bad I'm on a fitness journey yeah by the time I'm 40 I want a six pack you're already 40 yeah I know so I've got a year to go. So I've got time. Yeah, yeah, fine. This little fella's going to get me there. Okay, tell me how. Activity rings. Oh, yeah, what's that mean? Tells me what I'm doing. Walking. I played father-son football the other day. I clicked outdoor football.

21:07They told me how many calories I burnt, how much running I was doing. Oh, that's nice. It didn't tell me how good my goals were, but, you know, it's a different kind of tech. It's got a little trainer. I went for a run. He goes, well done. You've done the kilometre. Oh, that's nice. Keep going. This is your being here. You need that, don't you? because he gets lonely. Very lonely on the road. Very lonely, pounding the pavements. Pounding the pavements, yeah. That is a mind-blowing amount of helpful features. It means you have no excuse not to be fit by the end of 40. Quit quitting of Apple Watch, Josh.

21:37Exactly. Search Apple Watch Series 11 to find out more. Does he have, right, do your three sons have, because if I said the two things you have, you're not just incredible as a boxer, but one of the other reasons why you became such an icon is charisma, right? Is that you were unbelievable in interviews. You've got kind of a magnetic kind of personality. And still. And still, totally. I was like that thinking. I like that you've acknowledged that. We've never interviewed someone who speaks so slowly but we hang on every word like that. It reminds me of, I was thinking, you remind me, I know this sounds weird, of Liam Gallagher.

22:19in that way that you've got that or Johnny the young people call it aura aura right yeah so is that right Sam? yeah look at me I used to get on with Liam how much of that is learned and how much of that is none of this is nothing about just who you were yeah this is nothing about learning it for me what you're talking about is something that's just pure natural and so has it passed on genetically this is really funny because my sons are a lot like me a lot like me especially Sammy I mean I wouldn't say they're exactly like me but they have it I honestly see them sometimes like I love being in their company I love watching my kids enjoy together and just smile and laugh I said to my wife the other day I see my two older sons having such a laugh and I'm looking at them and I'm thinking that's brilliant man I love that if you shut your eyes now and remember them as a kid what is like the warmest moment in the house of you and the boys is that the moment that you remember from that period when you stopped boxing it's a good question how have we got five years to ask I've finally come up with a good question like that you shut your eyes what's the perfect moment with you and your family in the house when they were so young there was one time when they were arguing about who wanted to be Danny Zuko

23:50and I was looking at him and I'm thinking you want to be Danny Zuko come on dudes your dad's a ledge

24:05but we let them watch Grease at the time and it was a big thing I remember that clearly and they were arguing about who it was or who wanted to be that person. But I've got loads and loads of memories about my sons and I just, honest, I'm not just saying this. I'm so close to my sons. Like, they're everything to me.

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25:17Banshee flying. Space Mountain launching. Galaxy rewinding. What's the wonder with galaxy rewinding? Fireworks igniting. World of Other Worlds. For whatever you love. Infinite worlds await at the most magical place on Earth. Walt Disney World Resort. What's it like, because we've talked about you and your sons, what's it like for the other person in the house? What's it like being married to Naz? Oh, murder. I wish, I only wish she could, I was going to say I only wish she could just be in here now because she's next door listening. But if she was in here now, she would, oh my God, she'd rip me apart.

26:01I imagine she's the only person in the world that can cut you down in a second. Is that right, Sammy? No, no. No, listen, this is the truth too. I wasn't only blessed with three beautiful boys. I was best blessed with a beautiful wife that I'd been with for 30 years. Some of it was a little bit challenging, but I love my wife with all my heart, man. I've been so lucky. I wouldn't be able to say what it's like living with me because I ain't looking at it from her point of view. I know what it's like living with her. And how is that? It's easy.

26:53She's the perfect wife. What can I say? I mean, like I say, I'm blessed. I'm happy. I could never, ever see myself loving anyone, not even my kids like I do my wife. Sorry about that, Sammy. I mean I love my kids but I really love my wife my kids are my kids it's a different love we just met on a random I was only 21 so you were word-trunken at this point this is what I'm saying to you so I remember meeting my wife on I can remember but she can't June of 1995 and by September I was world champion so when I met her in June when we go and we we talk about this just say oh yeah I gave you the look to be world champion she says you know she's like half Irish and her dad's from an Irish side which is amazing I love the Irish love going back they're very similar to the Arabs.

28:02Yeah. And I'm very proud about being Arab. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. Everybody knows I'm a Yemeni. Yeah. But I'm public Yemeni number one. I'm not public anyway. So for me I've always got on with the Irish. Yeah. I want to go back to Ireland honest. I really want to go back and develop boxing more. Yeah. Produce some more. They've had some amazing boxers and trainers as you see in the film Giant and Brendan Ingle, who's a huge influence in your career, Irish boxing trainer. What was it like watching back, you know, because it's weird that the film, I love the film, but a lot of the film is about your relationship with Brendan as opposed to just your career kind of thing.

28:45Obviously, it's the film about you. It is a lot about it, yeah. But that relationship, a lot of it is about that. What's it like looking back on that relationship, now you're so much older and you're distant from it, where at the time, obviously, it was way more intense? it's funny because there's loads of scenes in the film and you look at them and you think that didn't happen but it's a film isn't it it's never going to be that accurate unless I was approached from the very beginning and it had my input but my side's not really being told yeah it's all like you said it's it's more of a film yes about a fighter and a trainer but it's more from his side the stories about his side but even though it's from his side the clever thing that I'm really happy about that the director and the writer and everything of the movie Rowan who's a northern lad he did something right at the very end of the film which for me captured the main thing that's what I want people to really get out of this film because it's like a focal point that it brings the film and it steers it all the way to the final ending of it and the ending reveals the truth how was it when you first sat there That's making you want to watch it.

30:20I know his promo, mate. I've seen the film. And obviously we don't want to ruin the ending. Yeah, let's not ruin the ending. That's what I'm telling you. Yeah, no. But you felt that captured the truth. Until that moment, were you nervous watching it? Never nervous. You're such an interesting person. Because I find on paper, the sort of like egoic, like in front of the camera, in the ring. showboat in and just this crazy sort of almost like not from this planet individual but then when you sit and chat to you obviously you're still charismatic and funny but you're a reserved more measured guy it feels like in order to be successful in your boxing career you had to create this sort of times 10 monster of yourself that isn't actually truly you see i get this is the real you that when partly talking about yourself there rob also you have big teeth didn't you used to do a lot of jokes about that but i feel i feel that that's why you've managed your retirement or ending of boxing so well because that wasn't truly 100 % you this is more of you so what you're talking about and referring to right now as we speak is something that i've always been like but you would have never known unless you'd have sat down with me when I was a lot younger maybe I would have been obviously a little bit different in your 20s yeah but what I'm saying to you is off screen out of the ring I'm not that person because when I'm in that ring I can't be the same guy that sat down here talking to you yeah of course it's impossible you have to be that larger than life character you have to be that that person that people want to be like.

32:07It was so natural being that person and Salaam, but it wasn't something that I really just put on and thought, oh, yeah, I'm going to act this out and style this out good. No, that was me all the way. That's why it was so natural to just be like that. If you want them to remember you in a certain way, maybe do a front flipping over the top rope to get in, risk everything. come out on a flying carpet, you know, knock people out from different angles. I never seen it before. So I knew it was unique. Can I pull you up on one thing there though? Chris Eubank claims that he inspired you because there's a one clip, I don't know if you've seen it on YouTube, and Eubank always references this, where it's in like a sports hall, and he knocks someone out, and he's prancing around and showboating, and there's a young Naz looking through the ropes at him.

33:04It's true. So there is a young Naz, but that young Naz is the same guy that he was in awe of. When he came to my gym, I remember him saying to me when he was watching me, dancing, doing my thing, and doing my boxing skills, I'm going to be honest, were on a whole different level to Chris Eubanks and his son. That's the truth. but I admired and I enjoyed watching him and liked what he did but when he turned to me at a young age in the gym and he went, nothing we all wondered whether you do the voice how do I get nimble on my feet and I thought, I don't really hear the word nimble I said, Chris, you just need to relax you just need to be confident and just enjoy that movement and whatever.