S12 EP20: Charlie Baker (The Return)

7:53Charlie Baker:I would hate that. I'd rather... Well, to be fair, you're not. You're not sleeping for three hours before you leave. What time are you going to bed?

8:00Rob Beckett:Nine o 'clock. And then... Oh, God. And then... And then I'm lying, just lying, I'm just lying there for two hours.

8:07Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

8:09Rob Beckett:Pretending I'm not asleep. Still not asleep. Yeah. Oh, good. Here come the thoughts.

8:18Charlie Baker:I can nap, but I can't sleep with the thoughts coming when I sleep. But when I nap, the thoughts aren't there. So I've got two techniques.

8:24Rob Beckett:Have you heard of brown noise? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do brown noise. Brown noise. So that's why you like trains, because that's a brown noise. But this is the technique I learned. which is the best technique if you need. This is from doing a matinee and an evening performance and having like an hour in between.

8:41Josh Widdicombe:You could do this with your 11 to 8 or whatever.

8:44Rob Beckett:Yeah, I nap between shows. Have a cup of coffee before you nap. Set the alarm for 45 minutes. Are you mental? No. So is it not kicked in yet? It doesn't kick in. It takes 45 minutes to kick in. No. No, it doesn't. So you wake up. Also, if you're having a snooze, set an alarm. Don't just let it drift. Yeah, of course. So 45 minutes max. 45 minutes max. And then

9:09Charlie Baker:you're in.

9:10Rob Beckett:Have a cup of coffee and go to bed. Have a cup of coffee and then have your sleep. And it will kick in and

9:14Charlie Baker:oof when you wake up. Well, he's off caffeine.

9:16Rob Beckett:Oh, God. Well, isn't he off? Yeah, exactly.

9:19Charlie Baker:What do you do? What are you on? Do you know what I'm on? Heroin. Trains and heroin.

9:24Rob Beckett:I'm on life. Big puffer jacket. That's what he's doing in his puffer jacket. You're on life. You're on life. High on life, Josh. High on life. That's nice. High on Devon. High on Devon. Devon life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My manor.

9:36Josh Widdicombe:Your manor. You're one of the few people who I know who grew up in Devon who's in the entertainment industry. Yeah. It's me, you. Geoffro? Geoffro's Cornwall. Geoffro's Cornish. Yeah. Dawn French? Dawn French. Cornish. Although she was born in Plymouth. No, she was born in Plymouth. Ah. Ollie Watkins.

9:53Rob Beckett:Ollie Watkins. There's one of S Club 7. Chris Martin. No. Chris Martin from Exeter, no? Yeah.

10:01Josh Widdicombe:Well, kind of, but not really. Muse. Muse. Of course, Muse. Muse. Muse, as they call them. Muse. But I very rarely meet up with Matt Bellamy and talk about Devon, sadly.

10:10Rob Beckett:When Timoth Pier was washing away the other week, Timoth is a little seaside town in South Devon where Muse are from. Right. And when those storms were around the other day, some of the Pier was washed away, and it's quite a sad thing. All the Facebook groups were, Can't Muse get involved? They've had a song out in 10 years, have they? Someone get Muse on the phone. They're like what I nearly said. Josh Widdicombe. Yeah. He's from around here and he's local now. Why don't you pay for the new peer, Josh? Because I've got a mortgage. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

10:52Josh Widdicombe:You're an exter, which is nice. I'm an exter. So would you ever move your family back? You've asked me this and we've just... But now we're like...

10:58Charlie Baker:We've discussed it, Josh. Well, your kids, you've got a 10-year-old and a 17 year old isn't it

11:02Rob Beckett:because I would but I've got to work oh so you would go back there I would yeah my parents are still there my family is still there well your wife would go there my wife's sister's there and her husband

11:13Charlie Baker:okay everyone's there you seem very you know what because obviously where you live down is great for work

11:19Josh Widdicombe:because you're having to stay at your mates house he seemed incredibly excited to be near his wife's sister yeah that was probably I'd say that was the headline at the lot yeah my wife's sister's there so what's her man

11:30Rob Beckett:well she listens to this podcast actually oh that's what it was then you know shouting her

11:35Charlie Baker:out there oh yeah and she's she's a good sister-in-law very nice sister-in-law yeah very good yeah very nice so um you've got so let's remind everyone yeah you've got a boy who's 17 18

11:49Rob Beckett:18 and your daughter's 10 my daughter's 10 yeah yeah i don't know how old they were in the last podcast. That's interesting, isn't it? Anyway, 18 is interesting. Probably five years ago. 18? 18. Bigger than you.

11:59Josh Widdicombe:Is he, presumably, still lives with you?

12:01Rob Beckett:He still, he will do, as long as he wants. As long as he wants to live with us, he can live with us. Well, this is the thing.

12:05Josh Widdicombe:It's a very different world to the one we lived in, isn't it? In that children just can't financially afford to leave.

12:11Rob Beckett:No. But I don't expect, I mean, I left at 18. Yeah. To move to London. And probably shouldn't have, looking back at it. So what did you study? You got it down? I went to drama school, yeah. God. first night I got to London I had my bike which I'd had since I was 14 first night nicked oh

12:29Josh Widdicombe:oh Charlie and you'd cycled to London I know

12:32Rob Beckett:all that way and I rang my dad and my dad and my bike's been nicked well that's a lesson learnt hard knocks you know lesson learnt you've got a straw in your ears haven't you that's what it was it's the way they would say so where had you left your bike oh I lived in just on the side in Trafalgar Square. Just outside Buckingham Palace. Tonley Nut on the Lion Fountain. I'm off to Madame Tussauds. I'll pick it up in a few hours. In London, Houses of Parliament. So would you not have locked your bike up then in Devon? I think I did, but those wise guys, Rob. This will blow your mind, Rob.

13:10Josh Widdicombe:Those London wise guys. We, when I was growing up, we didn't have, and this, so you know how isolated where I live was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:19Rob Beckett:Yeah.

13:20Josh Widdicombe:We didn't have a key to our house. I think you just walk in and out. Yeah.

13:25Charlie Baker:So how does he know how isolated your house is? Well, he knows where I'm from. I know where he's from. What's it like where he's from? Are they like... And Josh is a lot more rural than I can. Are they simple folk?

13:34Rob Beckett:No. No, no, no. Josh is clever. He can tell he's clever. Yeah, no, but he got out. I know. Well, that's the... But this... Now, so this is the thing. This is the thing. No, but this is the thing I'll discuss with you, actually, Josh, about moving back. Yeah. Here's a reason that part of me is fighting moving back. yeah yeah i feel like a massive failure well i think i think no no i don't i don't feel like a

13:56Josh Widdicombe:failure i think i think you feel like that everywhere charlie but i i think i spent my

14:00Rob Beckett:whole childhood going i'm gonna get out of here right and going back you failed i'm getting out of here yeah i did that i was i am leaving this yeah exactly yeah knuckle dragging farming twats

14:12Charlie Baker:i'm not i didn't say that no sorry not that not that sorry bear in mind your last tour you had a

14:16Josh Widdicombe:past you on the mic stand. Well, exactly. You haven't renounced it for a life of, you know,

14:22Charlie Baker:metropolitan elite.

14:23Rob Beckett:But that's what it is.

14:24Charlie Baker:It's a thing of returning. And then you just walk in that local pub and they go, here he is. Yeah. He's back.

14:30Josh Widdicombe:Wow, wow, wow. Wow.

14:34Rob Beckett:The great actors return. Oh, not doing the acting no more, am I? How'd you get on up London? 40 years later, 30 years later. 30 years later. I thought you'd moved up London.

14:46Charlie Baker:I'm London, such an out of town thing to say. See, I get, because I'm from London. I just, but it's such, you know, if you leave your hometown to go somewhere, to do something, you can't go back unless you feel like, I don't know.

14:57Josh Widdicombe:No, I don't know. I think. How do you feel? It's a sign.

15:00Charlie Baker:Well, he's sat there with a clenched fist.

15:03Rob Beckett:I haven't failed.

15:06Josh Widdicombe:I've won awards. I think it's a sign of mellowing. It's a sign of going. Yeah. What am I trying to prove? But that worries me as well, right? Your career mellowing, or you. Because I'm about to turn 50.

15:15Rob Beckett:No. You look great for it. And it's like... The hair. Well, I look like I've been to Turkey and I haven't... It's great.

15:22Josh Widdicombe:The hair line's outrageous for 50. So your worry is going back.

15:26Rob Beckett:Well, yeah. And it's that thing of... I think also your kids are of an age. If I'm mellowing, I'll tell you what it is. It feels like, am I giving up? Yes. Yeah.

15:36Charlie Baker:If you're tired of London, you're tired of life. Well, I don't even live in London. Okay, you're tired of a beautiful Oxfordshire village. You're tired of... If you're tired of that, what do you want? Isn't Boris Johnson in your village?

15:46Rob Beckett:He's in the village next door. Do you see him much? I never see him. My wife sees him. Oh, yeah?

15:55Josh Widdicombe:No wonder you're moving on to the sister.

15:57Rob Beckett:Apparently, when he... Apparently... I'm not. Apparently... What a horrible run-off for Charlie.

16:03Charlie Baker:Implying he's... She listens to this. This is an awful joke. A little bit of fun for us that's going to haunt him for the next six years.

16:12Rob Beckett:Oh, God, the rest of my life. Brother-in-law, give me a cup of tea, look him in the eye.

16:22Rob Beckett:He lives in the village next to us, yeah. Where I live now is very... So I'm not escaping anything, because I'm not escaping to the country. So I don't want to tell all the lads that in the pub in Devon, mate.

16:32Charlie Baker:Well, actually, you still live in a village. Actually, I lived in a village as well, so I'm not leaving London.

16:37Rob Beckett:I'm not a tractorist. No, it all works, mate. So they're the feelings inside of me.

16:45Josh Widdicombe:I think to be honest a slight child cruelty taken to Devon at that age they're up for it not to Devon I just remember well sorry yeah me neither they're up for it they're up for it

16:54Rob Beckett:I'm sort of they want to go Devon it's probably part of a sort of mild midlife crisis I'm like let's move to Covent Garden is that what you want to do I'm like let's move let's move to Soho the Strand

17:07Josh Widdicombe:they're human people I met someone who lives in I met someone who lived in Soho there's a primary school in Soho I met someone who lived in soho and i was like this is wild can you imagine popping out for some milk and bread

17:22Rob Beckett:in soho because just the sound i just but if you if you were born there and that was your life

17:28Charlie Baker:it must be so i'm just going to pop to the shops 11 o 'clock on a saturday yeah just say much of some jizz on the floor yeah yeah yeah two grams of coke and here's a bottle of Crabondale

17:39Rob Beckett:it must be but I think Londoners carry themselves differently Josh do you?

17:46Josh Widdicombe:I didn't want my children to in the end I was like I don't didn't you know each their own etc I wanted my children to grow up outside of London and your children are growing up outside of London like I'm not like technically still London you left Bromley let's not get into this

18:06Charlie Baker:London Borough Bromley mate I had to vote for the fucking mayor for the mayor you could be the mayor I'll be the mayor that's a great TV show for you Rob the only way I become the mayor is if I go to the bad side oh is it ok I don't think I can be one there blue eyes

18:22Rob Beckett:they love you mate

18:23Charlie Baker:reform will be all over me not my cup of tea

18:25Josh Widdicombe:of course they've already got your fucking doppelganger they've got the T-moo version

18:31Charlie Baker:Tom Skinner

18:32Rob Beckett:oh of course Tom Skinner collared me

18:34Charlie Baker:I was going up to talk this is wild I was going, you know the talk sport building at the Shard, right? I was going in there for an interview. Yeah, you know. You lived there. Imagine you went nowhere. But where I live. And I was going on the escalator. I was on the phone. Then Tom Skinner grabbed me, put his arm around me, had a selfie together looking like we were long lost brothers. And then I'm like, for God's sake. And he posts it. And it's like, oh, me and my mate out and about. And then an hour later, posts up, I've just joined Reform. Lovely. Picture of him and Farage. Picture of him and Farage.

19:03Charlie Baker:They both fit with the same person anyway.

19:06Rob Beckett:stars in their eyes he went on stars in their eyes could he go on stars in their eyes as you

19:10Charlie Baker:yeah that'd be quite a good one like the Apollo

19:14Rob Beckett:but it's people doing tribute acts of comics that'd be good and Tom Skinner goes on and does all your stuff or I have to go out and do Romesh I don't know if that works

19:25Charlie Baker:I'll skip hair and make up

19:28Rob Beckett:Charlie so tell me about having an 18 year old yeah it's interesting isn't it I had a slight sort of week of What's he up to first? He's a drummer in a band. I love it. And we always thought we were creative. My wife's an actress. Is he still goalkeeping? He's a good goalkeeper, wasn't he? No, he doesn't goalkeep anymore. I think that was probably me. What do you mean? Making him carry on to do. Yeah, you did talk to me a lot about his goalkeeping. Yeah, I still like him goalkeeping. It turns out he didn't particularly love goalkeeping. How did he tell you? I think he probably was telling me from the age of nine.

20:02Rob Beckett:Holding the drumsticks in the goal. so that's you know probably some bad parenting there you want them to be outside right and with their mates and i will maintain was you a goalkeeper uh i can play i'm i'm five for eight and very short arms and small hands yeah so but not a very good goal did you play so you're a

20:22Charlie Baker:frustrated goal exactly yeah and is he and is he tall he's always six foot two yeah oh and he doesn't want to play in goal oh he might come to it eventually but when he was 10 you go oh look he's going to be taller than me. If I had his height, how could I have been? Who told us this? Who told me this?

20:39Josh Widdicombe:The boy is always taller than the mum. Yeah, I think I told you that.

20:44Rob Beckett:That's one of the facts that I do go on about.

20:46Josh Widdicombe:So, when the NBA are scouting boys, when the NBA is scouting teenage players, the first thing they want to do is meet the mum. Is it? Because then they're like,

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22:35Charlie Baker:So he's six foot two, plays the drums,

22:37Rob Beckett:doesn't want to play drums. He's in the end. And the thing about parenting that is, you know, everyone's a hippie parent until it comes to the fact that he wants to not go to university and be a drummer. And it gets the crunch point of, right, okay, we're going to back you doing this. We're going to let you do this.

22:56Josh Widdicombe:So what's he up to then?

22:58Rob Beckett:He's in a band. They're called Cheap Suits. Luckily, they're good. Oh, brilliant. Because imagine if they weren't. Imagine the people who have to go and watch their deluded children in their terrible bands. Oh, yeah.

23:14Josh Widdicombe:So what was the first time you heard them and how nervous were you?

23:17Charlie Baker:Well, the thing is, I know he's a good drummer. Yeah. As well as comedy and the radio, you're an incredible singer and tap dancer. Do you drum? You can do everything.

23:25Rob Beckett:i can't drum properly no i always i can mess about and jump i can't drum properly but from the age of eight when he started lessons he could always really play and he always had something it's actually the only thing he'd sit down and and do sort of right himself and on his own and i'd hear him playing and we bought him electric drums really early and because that's the other thing now you can get electric drums so you're not sticking him in the shed or the name oh he can

23:48Josh Widdicombe:just have headphones complaining and all that so you can do that now as of 1980 yeah no no i mean they're good now all right they didn't used to be any good how much is that electric drum kit

23:57Charlie Baker:kind of thing 300 quid 300 quid right and it's a lot better than a big thing you've you tune it

24:02Rob Beckett:yeah you know and tough to tough to manage the sound of all that but he's always been good so i've always been like all right this is a this is a path for him yeah yeah and if he loves it yeah he loves it and then he he did really his music gcse he got the highest mark in the school for his practical and all that sort of stuff always been really good so when he went oh there's some lads in the village who are playing guitars yeah we're gonna start a band and I was like and say

24:27Charlie Baker:be careful if the local bridge crumbles in about 15 20 years the cheapsuits we pay

24:47Rob Beckett:but that's a worry isn't it there's some lads in the village play yeah It's like, oh no, you're going to be really good, surrounded by, oh, you're not very good. But they're all amazing. Oh, brilliant. They're all really, really good. So the band, they're actually really good. They've got stuff on Spotify. Are they doing covers of their own stuff? No, they write all their own stuff. Amazing. They do an indie set as well to pay the bills. Chelsea Dagger and Kaiser Chiefs and things. But they write their own stuff, and they really work hard. They've done some big gigs. they've done they've been up london they've been up they've played up london boys and so how do you

25:25Josh Widdicombe:as someone who's in showbiz yeah like are you hands off with this or you a minute away from becoming beyonce's dad it's uh i can see how you become beyonce's dad i can see you have a flat

25:40Rob Beckett:around the neck i can really see how you could really be michael jackson's dad or brian wilson from the Beach Boys dad.

25:49Josh Widdicombe:Michael Jackson was a bit bleaker.

25:51Rob Beckett:It's always the history of dads.

25:53Josh Widdicombe:It's always the dads, isn't it? Yeah, and in tennis as well. Well, it's Richard Williams or Andre Agassi's dad or whatever, yeah.

25:59Charlie Baker:Or Andy Murray's dad. Andy Murray's mum. Sorry, dad, mum, whoever it is.

26:03Rob Beckett:So it's like, oh, I know how to... So you have to... But they don't want it. They don't want the help. So I've done little bits and pieces of introducing them to the right person, but they've done it all. Yeah. They've done it all.

26:15Josh Widdicombe:So where are they at the moment? like how and how do they is their whole life this band they're

26:23Rob Beckett:they've all taken the year out to focus on that's brilliant to focus on the band that's amazing Stanley keeps calling it a year out I don't know what his year out of is because I don't know what he's going to do next I think is he having a year out of nothing I think he wants to he's actually running a pub more or less on his own as well so he's good but they're really good and I'm like go for it just do it now. Because is there anything worse than being my age or your age and saying, oh, I could have been in a band. Those blokes who could have had trials, you know. Or I would have been a pro if I hadn't done my knee.

26:59Rob Beckett:Or if you've never gone for it. All I've tried to teach as a parent is you've got to go and have a go at it. Have a go at it.

27:08Charlie Baker:And don't be worried if it fails or whatever. Just go for it. That's what my parents put into me. That's why I went to London when I was 18.

27:14Josh Widdicombe:out of this podcast they're suddenly going to get a load of listeners on Spotify and he's going to go we're doing really well with the kind of sad tired mums

27:24Rob Beckett:do you know what, they aren't good for the mums they're all good looking boys, they're super clever and their music's good

27:32Josh Widdicombe:and so are they like chugging around the country in a van does that happen these days

27:36Rob Beckett:or is it so online now it's so odd because the TikTok and Reels and everything is so everything's so visual and but you can record it's easier to record your own stuff it's a lot more accessible but how do you do it? how do you do it?

27:56Josh Widdicombe:it's not like comedy when we started

28:00Rob Beckett:there was a really

28:02Josh Widdicombe:clear path basically what happened was you booked yourself onto an open mic gig or a few.

28:11Charlie Baker:Or just turned up randomly and asked to go on.

28:13Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. And then you met people and they'd say, you do this gig. Do this gig. I remember Andy Osho gave me a spreadsheet which she'd got which was just a load of gigs. Do you know what I mean? And then you'd get in, you'd just email out and you'd slowly build it. And if you're good, you get invited back. If you're good, you go. Yeah. And everyone felt like they were on the same path.

28:33Rob Beckett:Well, it was progression, wasn't it? Gig with progression. And I actually don't think that's... You'd go and do it for three or tenner or something.

28:39Josh Widdicombe:That was really helpful to me because I've got quite a kind of analytical, logical brain that I find it easier to work like that. But actually, it's probably quite not as a creative way as, you know, that now you could just do loads of different things and get to different places. And that's exciting. And so your advice to your son is probably really naff and old, Charlie.

29:02Rob Beckett:I don't think the advice I give. No, no, whatever it is. My advice is the same advice I give. That's not to have a go at you. That's to me. No, it is. It's outdated. Yeah, we are outdated. But I still think what stands is you've got to be able to play live. You've got to be able to play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the only way you can play is by play.

29:21Charlie Baker:Yeah. By playing, you know. Play as much as possible. Yeah. But on top of that, you've got to think of a hook that gets people to know about you.

29:28Rob Beckett:And also, die on your arse.

29:29Charlie Baker:Yeah.

29:30Rob Beckett:Yeah. Go and be bad somewhere. Because you really pushed that one. I really took that one a long way. Still doing it. But you learn more from your failures than your successes.

29:42Charlie Baker:You just become much more confident and bulletproof. You can go and play anywhere, and if there's anything that goes wrong, you're prepared for it.

29:48Rob Beckett:So when I go and see him, my favourite gigs to go and see him are in a pub locally on a Saturday night when they're doing mainly covers and a few of their own.

29:57Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. And how does he feel about you, and what are you doing? Because I wouldn't know. am i standing at the back or are you like like running around plugging their amps in yeah right

30:08Rob Beckett:are you down the front well depends depends what sort of night out is you're tap dancing down the front no no not tap dancing no i'm in front of them facing the audience there's a real pride to it yeah because yeah there's also there's nothing you can do about it yet it's actually quite, I used to get a bit twitchy when they first started playing and Sam, my wife, would be like, why are you nervous? What are you nervous for? And I think it's because it's a performance situation, so it's like, oh, this is what I'm used to. This is what I've done since I was 10, you know. So I know all the rhythms of building up to a performance, so that's the sort of part.

30:46Rob Beckett:But she's like, this is nothing to do, all you've got to do is go and watch it. Have a pint and sip. Have a pint and watch it. Because if it's bad, it's nothing to do with me. You can't rush along the tilt. Also, I know it's not going to be bad, so it's my problem. And how are the other parents? Very nice. It's a nightweather WhatsApp group. They're up for it. You know, they played Truck Festival last year. Oh, wow. And they filled their tent on a Sunday morning. And as performative parenting goes, it is absolutely brilliant. Because you're like, yes, look. Look at my boy. Look at our boys. We succeeded.

31:21Rob Beckett:Look, no. But to have that as a sort of team and a bit of a group. Yeah. is nice as well because the pride is similar in and it's funny because you'll sort of watch them and i'll just be watching i'm normally standing around the side and watch stand on the drums yeah like i used to stand around the back and watch him in goal but shouting stop running stop crying and playing you're looking at the bass player's mum and dad yeah and they'll be watching just the bass player yeah yeah and all the photos we share is like you know lead guitarist front and centre so it's not like you only watch

31:56Charlie Baker:your own child so funny if they went on and did like loads of festivals and became really big you'd just be at all of them shit faced I really understand

32:04Rob Beckett:those hangers on at the side at Glastonbury I really get that I mean that's just do you look at Denise Welch

32:10Josh Widdicombe:and go that could be me one day

32:12Rob Beckett:well it's all a worry though and as a parent it's a worry it's a bit of a scary rock and roll what life is this well that is an interesting one

32:20Josh Widdicombe:because like Matt Healy who obviously is arguably one of the biggest rock stars Britain's produced in the last 20 years. He's had issues and problems and stuff. It's difficult to be thrown in. Not everyone can deal with it as well as Chris Martin.

32:34Charlie Baker:The drummers are normally normal though. Somebody a lead singer. The drummer from 1975 is married to Charlie XCX.

32:40Rob Beckett:They always say that Coldplay drummer is the best job in the world because no one knows who he is and yet he's in on a quarter of the money.

32:46Josh Widdicombe:Have you discussed whether they're going to quarter it up? They are quartering up, yeah.

32:49Rob Beckett:yeah okay that's they've had that discussion and early on i went get it written down whether they have or not yeah this is another thing you can say all these things yeah it's like you can say all these things to your child but when they're 18 he's 18 now he's a man yeah yeah the thing a bigger man when he turned 18 was i was i had two things that sort of jolted me which was where's that gone yeah where is that time gone fuck because all of a sudden he's 18 yeah and you go oh and he threw this party and he and i i don't i'm not a big party fan and he said i i want a party and i want and he wanted it to be all our sort of family friends and adults and everyone who he felt loved him right yeah and i thought what a great thing hey and he organized his party and it was the best party i've ever ever been to it was absolutely brilliant it was in our house and it was absolutely amazing party that he'd organized and it was such a room full of love and he was center of it without it being sort of and he was just such this great host and just this everybody in that room loved him so much and it was it was just such a beautiful night but i just said to sam i was there when i saw i saw him as a little i was a i was present that's what i was worried about what because our life is on the road yeah you know and it seems to just go so fast

34:18Josh Widdicombe:you're having the kind of conversation people have in films at those events well having that

34:24Rob Beckett:yeah because it was like a film it was like this has happened but then you know when you watch when i watch him play drums i'm watching him when i remember when he came home and he showed me his first basic rock beat. You know, that's who I'm watching, that little boy. Oh, man. And so I was just checking in that I'd been present and around for it, because for some reason my brain doesn't let me remember that I've done anything at all. Yeah, of course.

34:51Charlie Baker:And once you say no. No, no, no.

34:53Rob Beckett:No, you were at talk sport. You were at talk sport mainly. Or you were in Portsmouth for 120 quid. Oh, don't! Check to follow.

35:07Charlie Baker:Dinger's doing a couple of jokes before you go on.

35:09Rob Beckett:I mean, you rang him from Lee Delamere a couple of times. Oh, God, Charlie.

35:14Charlie Baker:Do you remember waiting for the local guy who used to do jokes? Yeah, good jokes, though.

35:18Rob Beckett:Good jokes. The other thing that I had a slight panic about is when they're 18, he can now legally just walk out the door, and if he doesn't want to, he never has to come back. You can't ring the police?

35:34Charlie Baker:He'll just go in the police?

35:35Rob Beckett:He's an adult man.

35:36Charlie Baker:But yeah, so he can just go and you can't... They can go. Have you got any authority in the house? Have you told him off since he's been 18 for like stuff?

35:43Rob Beckett:Of course. Well, you try and guide, but he actually takes it better now. Right. He sort of knows, well, he'll say it in a nice way, but what are you actually going to do? Because I know you love me, so, you know. I know you'll end up doing it. I will leave this plate on the side. You'll pick up... Are you going to leave the plate on the side? Yes. yeah okay well I mean well you've you know did you pick a towel up off the floor no no I'm not

36:10Charlie Baker:still there you know I'll have a damn town he's a lovely bloke he's a smashing bloke you've got a

36:16Rob Beckett:bloke you have a bloke living with you I got his bloke lives with us now you know and he'll go and he'll only work at the pub come home and he'll be you know did you take him for a pint when he was 18 oh yeah we did all that yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and uh and taught him to drive oh as he He passed. Fourth time he passed. And did you do that only you? He had five lessons with another guy who didn't really... That's called a driving instructor. Don't say like he's cheating on you. With this other guy that does it for a living. I do not recommend it. But teaching you as a high... As the other guy?

36:53Rob Beckett:As a high... Yeah, yeah.

36:55Josh Widdicombe:Just send them to me. No wonder he's failed four times. This other guy came in and ruined all my good tips.

37:01Rob Beckett:as a high pressure situation goes. I just couldn't do that. When your child is in... Why did you make that decision? No dual controls. Why did you make that decision? Manual or automatic? Manual. Manual. You've got to learn manual. No, why? Only Londoners learn automatic. You don't have to learn manual. You don't have to learn manual.

37:17Charlie Baker:What if you want to buy an old classic car? Put your classic masculinity aside. A classic car is going to be a fucking electric one soon. Yeah. So, Charlie, why did you make this decision?

37:29Josh Widdicombe:this mad

37:30Charlie Baker:well it seemed cheaper

37:33Rob Beckett:it's like 40 quid an hour

37:35Charlie Baker:god and you need that 25 don't you

37:37Rob Beckett:you know you do a lot of lessons yeah so I thought I can teach him to drive and then he can go to the examiner to learn to pass his test yeah your dad in Pornford for free lessons so did you have many arguments

37:48Josh Widdicombe:oh because my dad so I did

37:50Rob Beckett:oh my god

37:51Josh Widdicombe:I did driving instructor we've had a few arguments in our life anyway

37:54Rob Beckett:but this was what's the worst this was pressure keg just like I got out I think I got out of the car three times or I'd say right no right no pull the car over I'm driving us home not having this I am not too close to the car in front it's the most terrifying thing you're in a metal box

38:19Charlie Baker:and then you're probably being a little bit too harsh because he's your little boy and then he's probably being a little bit too loose because he's young you have to go nope

38:28Rob Beckett:oh god no no no i know that oh god it's a meeting and you're in the car but that's the thing like also by the end he'd be getting putting some music on driving off music and then we had you couldn't get any tests the test system went around well he managed to get four he managed to get four people buying the tests and selling them on yeah yeah so there was all this going on he booked his

38:53Josh Widdicombe:first test in the Isle of

38:55Rob Beckett:White. Why did he do that? Fucking hell. Because that's where he could get the test.

38:59Josh Widdicombe:Jesus Christ. Is it talking about Covid, right?

39:02Rob Beckett:I've booked a test next Wednesday. Alright, okay, I'm off work. Sure. Do you drive him to the other one? It's in the Isle of White. Fucking hell. Did you have to go and do the test routes in advance? Well, I don't think he knew what the Isle of White was. He just thought it was somewhere south. I think he thought it was going to be like a little island. Well, it is. Over a bridge.

39:23Josh Widdicombe:right yeah there's no motor there's no big roads so I said the red funnel

39:28Rob Beckett:well there are big roads it's the thing it's impossible there are big roads the roundabouts also all the examiners they put it all sewn up oh here we go

39:40Charlie Baker:if you turn a big examiner you turn up in your own oh he's angry at the other guy again you turn up in your own car yeah and you're next to Jim's Isle of

39:51Rob Beckett:white driving experience. Oh, here we go. Jim knows the examiner, doesn't he? Oh, here we go. Local favour. This isn't on my teaching. My teaching was very good.

40:05Rob Beckett:So his first test was purely you? Purely me. And we had to get up very early. You didn't go the night before? No, get up early and get on a ferry.

40:16Charlie Baker:So you had to drive, how fast did Portsmouth?

40:18Rob Beckett:So it was an hour and a half to Southampton. Southampton, sorry. Southampton Red Funnel Ferry. Most expensive channel in the country. Well, Michael, the producer's from the Isle of Wight.

40:27Charlie Baker:He knows it well.

40:28Rob Beckett:Did you pass in the Isle of Wight?

40:29Charlie Baker:Can't drive. I've bailed three times. They're ****.

40:32Josh Widdicombe:Yeah! See?

40:35Charlie Baker:Told you. Nothing to do with my teaching. People from the Isle of Wight are getting driving tests in Southampton. That's how bad they are.

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42:10Rob Beckett:And we get there and we're a bit early and we find the test center and then, you know, okay, we know where we are. Drive around and he's a little bit like, I don't know what this is, Dad. I can't really work out what this is. I'd be way too nervous to go there for a while. But I said, oh, it's just driving. You know, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. I was trying to keep it calm. You're like going, thinking, no, this is bad. This is bad. This is bad. Like, I was struggling. I've driven my whole life. and I'm driving going whoa look at my these roads are tough

42:48Josh Widdicombe:they drive on the other side of the road don't they anyway

42:52Rob Beckett:I think in his head he had in his mind get there yeah pass me test yeah ferry home yeah party on the ferry home didn't pass no I don't know if you've ever ever had a really quiet ferry journey oh from the Isle of Wight to

43:10Josh Widdicombe:oh god but it was fine

43:11Rob Beckett:look it's learning i mean where did you please he didn't pass i thought do you know what i know

43:16Josh Widdicombe:this sounds i passed second time yeah and if i'd passed first time i was i wasn't good enough like i think everyone should fail once yeah i passed first time and but i shouldn't have

43:28Rob Beckett:really my dad knew i knew the problem i got in the car i got got in the same test route as you yeah he's pending and around yeah but i always maintain the what you're saying Penning roundabout. Penning roundabout. What's that? If you can drive around, if you've passed your test around the Penning roundabout, I have a lot more respect for you as a driver. Well, you're going to love this, Charlie. Penning roundabout.

43:48Josh Widdicombe:First test, I get to the test centre and they go, have you not heard the news? There's been a bomb scare at Sainsbury's, you know, the big Sainsbury's. Where the swim pool used to be. Yeah, yeah. Next Penning roundabout. The fuck is that? It's not a roundabout, it's not a cake. Penning roundabout's been closed. But you still get to do your test. I was like, you've got to be fucking kidding. but then I almost hit a lorry on a mini roundabout so I failed anyway

44:12Rob Beckett:Who was your driving instructor?

44:15Charlie Baker:Martin Have they put a bridge over the penning roundabout? Yeah they have now to get the tour key quicker

44:21Rob Beckett:or get away from the tour key

44:25Charlie Baker:He's looking at penning roundabout There was a little Devon hour there

44:28Rob Beckett:There was a little bit of Radio Devon we did there

44:30Charlie Baker:Yeah Give it 10 years On TV it's a media elite in London now i'm stuck in this devon hole a pen in roundabout the devon hole it's just a roundabout

44:40Josh Widdicombe:yeah yeah why is it so difficult oh you've got to change lanes to get around it oh it's a nightmare

44:45Rob Beckett:it's a nightmare anyway i got in the car for my first test wasn't ready you alan baker's boy i might now bear in mind my dad's lived in the same town his whole life and was as a big noise in newton uppercut yeah and uh you're alan baker's boy alan baker the whitest white man i've ever heard i am he has cream on his skull all right i know alan oh i know alan off we go come on then right oh yeah drove up drove on right just pull over here go when you reverse around the corner i was confident but not a good driver still the same now reversed around the corner didn't look backwards just just did it spin it around i've been practicing just you know yeah and he went right what'd you do wrong there then i went oh i didn't um didn't look in the mirrors did i didn't look behind me no no you did not and i went oh i said i failed he went drive on you're fine oh my god drive on you're then got all my uh got all my um what do you call it the the rules of the road oh yeah highway highway code got all my highway code questions wrong anyway right do you play any sport i said i said he said well you know the rules i'm playing goal do you know the rules yeah I know the rules well you learn the rules of driving anyway you've passed congratulations give my best to your dad it was proper sort of old school that is incredible

46:12Charlie Baker:amazing oh wow there we are so did he do the other test near you then he didn't go back to your eye no he went to

46:20Rob Beckett:next one was in Swindon which has like that's isn't that magic roundabout magic roundabout Pure hell.

46:29Charlie Baker:Did your agent book the tour?

46:31Rob Beckett:It's like your tour. Salisbury, we went for one. Salisbury. And then he did one in Newbury, like nearby. Nearby. Where we could go and practice the route. We learned our lesson by then. And I wasn't up. And of course, that was the only one I wasn't at. Oh. Well. So I think we're all learning who the problem is. Was the other guy there? Oh, yeah. No, yeah.

46:54Charlie Baker:Well, if your son's life improves when you're not there, he'll love this new tour where you're going to be a while. for the whole of September and October. That was nice, wasn't it?

47:01Rob Beckett:I'm not, I'm not. It's actually built around my radio dates. Oh, yeah, no, but I was just lying for the link. Oh, right, okay. Oh, I like that. Don't let them do that. Sorry, I forgot about Showbiz Magic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:12Josh Widdicombe:So come September, is that a year that your son's been doing the band?

47:16Rob Beckett:It is, yeah. And then I think the other three are going to uni. Right. And then I think he wants to go travelling and stuff like that. So he's going to go and do all that. and then let I think we can let them be I think any kid

47:32Josh Widdicombe:who at the age of 18 or 19 you don't need to worry about their direction

47:38Rob Beckett:let them be, let them work it out because they're not going to do nothing their whole life I can't wait to speak to you in 6 years

47:45Charlie Baker:he's still alive he's become a driving instructor he's moved to the Isle of Wight isn't it weird it feels like something happened that he's got to have a proven point move up I had to wait so your tour though it's called Go Get It where you're basically doing everything you can do you're throwing everything at this show comedy singing dancing yeah

48:08Rob Beckett:I do lots of different things I've been in show business since I was 10 years old I did Oliver when I was 10 nice the Plymouth Theatre Royal good theatre and I've been and you just wanted more and come on please sir don't let me hang on I'd do anything for that pun anything else I'm not actually doing I'm not performing Oliver let's just say that no but no I'm gonna I've written a show of jokes and stupid stuff

48:31Charlie Baker:it's a proper stand up show but with extra bits

48:33Rob Beckett:proper stand up show but there is singing and tap dancing there's some magic in it can you do magic? no but I do a character in it the Millwall Magician he turns up yeah I think it's gonna be a lot of people turn up and there'll be a sing song you get a full show with me yeah proper show I wish I could just do that stuff where you sit on a stool and chat. Recognise things that have happened. But I don't really... I don't have your powers of... You do. You're a brilliant comedian. Observation. I'm not saying how bad a comedian I am. No, you're brilliant. You don't have the observational skills.

49:09Charlie Baker:Run us through the dates. You don't even look behind you when you're doing a reverse round of corner. It's exactly that. You're not observing your danger zones. So the tour schedule is from 8th of September, you start in Richmond, Yorkshire.

49:20Rob Beckett:Have you been there? Yes, it's posh, isn't it? It's a very small theatre, but it's absolutely beautiful little chocolate box of a theatre. It's like the one in Chipping Norton.

49:31Charlie Baker:Oh, I love that one. Richmond, then you've got Great Torrington, Guildford, Aldershot, Taunton, Borden, Brighton, Deal, Gosforth, Birmingham, Froome, Froome, Froome, I always get told. Didcot, Maidenhead, Chorley, Exeter, there you go, Lyme Regis, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Barton upon Humber, which is the Hull, the Roadport, Portsmouth, Walton-on-Thames, Ivy Bridge, Bath, London, Leicester Square, Cardiff, Bangor, Leeds, Salford, St Austell, Torquay, Southend. It's on sale the 27th of February, or if you sign up to Charlie's mailing list, you can get access from the 26th of Feb. I think so, but you know.

50:06Charlie Baker:Yeah, do that. Yeah, yeah.

50:08Rob Beckett:It'd be nice to have you on the mailing list anyway.

50:09Charlie Baker:Yeah, I'm sorry, it's built around you because you're on Virgin Radio.

50:11Rob Beckett:I'm on Virgin Radio twice a week, and I'm on TalkSport three times a week. Yes. So it's built around that. And they're in the same building. They're in the same building. And it's not all football-based, but there's some football. Are either of your kids into football? Not particularly. After their 12 years of implanting goal. I've turned them off sport forever. Also, I think what it is, is they see how miserable I am around Torquay United. Stanley said the other day, Dad, that team has ruined your life. He said, you go into every situation thinking you're 2-0 down. But I do think there is an element of that.

50:45Rob Beckett:That's so astute for a young kid. I think also, I think supporting a lower league team, you have a sense of realism that makes you go, oh, yeah.

50:56Josh Widdicombe:But it is an interesting thing whether you want to pass that on football. Because I was thinking, what has that brought me, football? Do you know what I mean? How much joy has that brought me? Is it about joy, though?

51:09Rob Beckett:It is if you're an Arsenal fan.

51:10Josh Widdicombe:No, because they're just as unhappy. because you've just all got expectations that are slightly above where your team are.

51:16Charlie Baker:I just think you need something to distract from your life and an appointment at the weekend. Because when it's international week, I'm so lost. And I don't even care. I like Arsenal winning, but I much prefer a bigger team losing. So if you tell me that Man United have lost embarrassingly to Burnley at home, I'm more happy about that than Arsenal beating Sunderland 2-0. I've managed to make the thing that was that

51:38Rob Beckett:sort of relaxation and release my job, my main job so I've managed to monetise the thing that was your time off the thing that was my time off which is actually quite a lot of my stand-up show is about people turning these days you can make your hobby I think that's such an interesting thing a job or you can film yourself doing your hobby not necessarily to a professional standard yes and so there's quite a lot of

52:03Josh Widdicombe:watch my golf videos on Instagram but there is that element of it like in a way the bits before i was a comedian the open mic circuit which was mad gigs and traveling and dying stuff but i look back on that much more nostalgically than i do the few years after i turned professional when it when suddenly it was quite serious do you know what i mean well you're dreaming and you're dreaming at that point yeah that's the most

52:28Rob Beckett:exciting bit right the working it out yeah the work in progress of any sort of new show is

52:33Charlie Baker:yeah the fun bit right well wanting something and feeling like you're getting it yeah is better than

52:40Rob Beckett:having it work yeah i don't know how it came to you two but i i went to drama school at 18 thinking i wanted to be an actor did a three-year classical acting course and about two years in when i don't want to be hamlet i want to be bruce forsyth and had this sort of crisis of oh god but i've just i'm doing i'm at the i was at lambda you know yeah yeah top drama schools in the country I was like oh no got a constant

53:04Charlie Baker:as you've got older though do you want to do you feel like you want to go back into that more serious that says that happens a lot with comedians you know Lenny Henry Romesh is doing our play Tom's going into play where they get sort of 40s ago I've done loads of comedy loads of Titanic yeah I was

53:18Rob Beckett:discussing that the other day with someone and I I think it's I think it's comedians wanting to feel legit yeah getting a tap on the head going well well done, you are a good boy, actually.

53:28Charlie Baker:The neediness hasn't been solved from comedy. They've gone again.

53:30Rob Beckett:It feels like you want someone to go, well done, you're a grown-up as well. Oh, really? Well done, you can do that. And it's like, comedy's really hard. It's the hardest thing. 100%. It's the hardest thing.

53:41Charlie Baker:I think we, because it is so difficult. As a comedian, you go, no, it's all right. I love it. I love chatting. I'd be chatting. Sometimes I walk out and go, it's just fucking me. The whole time. This is insane.

53:51Rob Beckett:It's really hard. And actually being in a play.

53:53Charlie Baker:And then people shout out at you halfway through.

53:55Rob Beckett:If you're in a serious play, How do you know if people have enjoyed it or not? Well, no one does, do they?

53:59Charlie Baker:They're just looking like they do.

54:02Rob Beckett:You know, it's like, and also, you have to do it for so long. Same thing night after night. I don't know how they do it.

54:08Josh Widdicombe:So Sam's an actor, right? Sam's an actor, yeah. And she's just in the dorm, sorry, your wife.

54:13Rob Beckett:Yeah. And she's in the... She's in Dawn French's sitcom, which is called Can You Keep a Secret?

54:18Josh Widdicombe:Oh, yeah. So you've both gone, you've both followed that kind of path in a different way that your son is. Is your daughter Interested in performing

54:26Rob Beckett:Yeah she does stagecoach Yeah Does she She is She is a brilliant No she's asked She asked to do that You know Because I want You wanted her to be a goalkeeper Exactly She's got a massive hand Come on She's like Pat Jennings Pat Jennings Sounds like a lovely woman Doesn't she Very gentle So Pat And the thing is You try not to push These things on people Yeah She's standing in her bedroom Singing along to Something You know frozen or something or Sabrina Carpenter or something and this voice comes out of her and we look at each other well you can't you can't ignore that yeah yeah that's just and then you go keep it down you can't ignore this stop that noise really try and give her something to fight against no it's up with practicing crosses gloves on mouth shut let's go that's what we're doing yeah so what do you do if you're if that is what your yeah child is good

55:25Charlie Baker:at and naturally enjoys it and doing it in her own time you sort of go well i can't i can't turn

55:31Josh Widdicombe:that off i can't shut that down no of course i think you've got to with the exception of goal keeping you've just got to see where your child goes right and please don't teach her to drive

55:41Rob Beckett:well i'm gonna oh yeah no i won't do i don't know do you think your stuff the cars will be a thing

55:47Josh Widdicombe:in seven years do you think you do you think manual because it was two men and it is literally two men yeah do you think it would be less fractious with by the way other people tried

55:58Rob Beckett:to teach him as well that weren't professional driving instructors and they last so he's the

56:02Josh Widdicombe:problem so what he's the problem that you're not getting professionally driving instructions you're getting your mates to teach your son to drive charlie you're working about 600 hours a

56:13Charlie Baker:week he's basically you'll get you're allowed him to drive like a two-ton vehicle 80 miles an hour i'll just get me made to teach him we don't need proper lessons yeah what is your what is your what is your problem with driving instructions he was bought a load of driving

56:31Rob Beckett:four lessons yeah right for his 17th birthday yeah yeah everyone sort of pitched in and this

56:35Josh Widdicombe:was the other guy and you thought i'll take that money and it over i'll do this well he had the

56:39Rob Beckett:He was giving the money, wasn't he? This is the mistake they made. They didn't buy the lessons. He gave them the money. And he spent it. So he spent the money. Right.

56:46Charlie Baker:You stepped in, saved the day.

56:48Rob Beckett:So in many ways, I come out of the story well.

56:50Charlie Baker:Did you ever, who taught you to drive? My dad. Here we go. But I saw how that worked.

56:55Rob Beckett:His dad just knew the instructor. He knew the instructor. And a bloke, I can't remember his name now. He used to go, more gas, more gas. More gas. More gas. And then at a junction, you go, I would. I would. What about the women walking past?

57:10Charlie Baker:that's my favourite game when it was the 90s it was a different time wasn't it I would it's that sexy to say I would

57:18Rob Beckett:I would pull out I would pull out again I'd stay in

57:29Rob Beckett:there we are classic wasn't it you see we say it's hard but look at the great jokes look at the great jokes

57:35Charlie Baker:three middle aged men talking about shanging fucking come on yeah

57:41Rob Beckett:which brings us

57:42Charlie Baker:back to parenting without us yes

57:43Rob Beckett:we won't be sat here it's always lovely to come on this podcast and it is lovely to see you two as friends as solo performers have the success you have oh thank you and because you're two very nice men oh thanks mate who do you think

57:58Josh Widdicombe:is nicer

57:59Rob Beckett:nice in different ways

58:03Charlie Baker:but Charlie you've been brilliant your tour's gonna be amazing you're so funny you're amazing on the radio Virgin and TalkSport good luck with this go get it go get it tickets available end of Feb for the rest of the year final question I expect most of next year oh no you're going to yeah because you're going to February as well end of this year into 2027 yes my guy should we do the final question oh yeah go on what's one thing Sam does as a parent where you go she's amazing I'm so lucky to be married to her and have children with her and what's one thing she does that frustrates you a little bit and if her sister were to listen she could report back and she might go yeah maybe Charlie's got a point

58:36Rob Beckett:Sam is an incredible incredible human being and mother I'm very lucky to have met her however and known her my whole life the thing she's so good at is genuinely listening to the problem yeah not just getting the gist and getting how do I get this problem out of the way I'll teach you I'll teach you to drive I'll sort that out

58:58Charlie Baker:well I'll teach you to drive I just don't really like goalkeeping we'll just be better at it

59:05Rob Beckett:she genuinely is a an incredible listener and will sit with the problem genuinely think about it for people true empathy basically yes and true empathy is normally if even if you've not been in the situation the person is in or the child is in you understand their their feelings and and help their feelings lovely she's a true empath and uh brilliant with it um what is she doing i hadn't thought about what she does badly because there's not a lot i genuinely can't think of a

59:44Charlie Baker:thing there will be something do you know what as well that can i text you back in that felt genuine you can leave a voice that isn't me going no no no that actually felt genuine she's really heartwarming.

59:54Rob Beckett:I'll voice note you something.

59:56Charlie Baker:It will be something. I feel like she'd have more of a list for you. Oh, you should get her on. It'd be a long list. Charlie, thank you so much. And good luck with the cheap suits. Cheap suits. And also your son's band.

1:00:13Josh Widdicombe:Would you prefer your tour to sell out and play the O2 or the cheap suits?

1:00:22Rob Beckett:I've had my go.

1:00:24Charlie Baker:Yeah, but the family only gets a quarter of that. You'd get all of that. From a fight, you know, obviously.

1:00:30Rob Beckett:I can see how you think, Rob. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'd love, do you know what? Well, you want your kids to be happy, right? That's the key to the whole of life. Will your kids be coming to the tour? Yeah, I think so. I think Stanley will.

1:00:43Charlie Baker:If the Chiefs are you selling out the O2 and you're stood in the O2 or in a bottle of wet, how many times are you telling people the drummer's your son?

1:00:50Rob Beckett:Oh, I tell everyone he's my son all the time. I'll get talking to people enjoying it oh yeah oh yeah my son's the drummer

1:00:57Josh Widdicombe:just strangers

1:01:01Rob Beckett:it's great

1:01:02Josh Widdicombe:why is this weird 50 year old man going around asking if we're enjoying it tap dancing facing the audience definitely

1:01:09Rob Beckett:you want your kids to be happy right and that brings its own pressure on the kids yeah

1:01:16Charlie Baker:oh brilliant

1:01:16Rob Beckett:good luck with the tour Charlie thank you always a pleasure

1:01:22Charlie Baker:right here's the well we're supposed to be doing the outro but Charlie come back in

1:01:25Rob Beckett:I just remembered something that annoys me on the way out they call that in therapy the door handle disclosure on the way out of therapy like Columbo in therapists they say that people tell them the truth on their way out oh it's the last thing my wife will invite people over or like a friend or family and then when they're due to arrive she'll disappear she'll go out or she'll go upstairs and have a shower at that moment and you're forced into and I'm forced into being the guy welcome welcome you know drives me up the wall yeah great one other than that perfect

1:02:05Charlie Baker:see you later cheers Charlie bye guys have a good one cheers bye love it that was Charlie Baker that was Charlie Baker love that love Charlie

1:02:15Josh Widdicombe:shall we finish the outro before he comes back in again we'll just get this done that was Charlie bye

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1:03:18Josh Widdicombe:Here are the reasons why. Number one, I'm confident if you're listening now, you don't hate me and possibly think I'm funny. Number two, I'm confident if you're listening now, you like podcasts. Number three, I'm confident if you're listening to me and Rob, you prefer pop culture to people talking about things, let's be honest, boring things, like history, economics, or politics. I know I do, and that is why I made this podcast. I wanted a show that tells the stories I love from popular culture in the way other podcasts do for drier topics. See above. Basically, I wanted a podcast that realised Milli Vanilli were more interesting than Elizabeth I.

1:03:53Josh Widdicombe:Join me as I give the definitive, or at least the funniest, takes on Mr Blobby. When Ghostwatch convinced BBC viewers ghosts were real. When a band burned a million pounds for a laugh. The Spice Girls, a truly catastrophic Spider-Man musical with music from U2. And David Hasselhoff, Baywatch and his part in The Fall of the Berlin Wall. All of them are real, by the way. Either you know what these things are and you're about to learn far more about them than you ever realised you wanted to, or you don't, and you're about to be introduced to some of the maddest things in modern or ancient history.

1:04:24Josh Widdicombe:Stiffnecks will learn, loose necks will laugh. New episodes available every Wednesday and Saturday, perfect to fill those gaps between your weekly doses of parenting hell. So go on, you might as well listen, subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts now. Museum of Pop Culture with me, Josh Whittacombe, available everywhere on the 1st of January. you