S12 EP26: Jamie Laing

15:34Josh Widdicombe:I've seen the Louis 3Dot. I've seen the Louis 3Dot. Do you know the first British astronaut in space was actually a woman? Yeah, Helen Sharman. Thank you. Wow. Do you want to hear another interesting fact about her? Yeah. Because I was on a show with Helen Sharman, so I Wikipedia'd her. She invented the Cornetto. Really? and that's going to appeal to you because that's right in your biz Cornettos don't have any milk in it Okay, I didn't know that I would have brought that up with her Did you know that the person who invented the tampon was a man Oh, alright Maybe Louis Therouni's doing a documentary on you Jamie Anyway, so we were shooting this, so we shot the show and then Sophie fell pregnant and then we were shooting it during Sophie being pregnant and then we shot a bit afterwards and i said the pregnancy bed is is kind of wild yeah the personality can change due to the hormones and stuff as well which can make the relationship a bit more testing or easier i didn't say it's better or worse it's yeah sometimes you do a test and it's an easy test sometimes you do a test and you sort of do that test and go is this the person i'm married different types of tests there was there was moment there were like some moments where it was firstly I just want to say it's Sophie will be listening so I love you so much and she was incredible and she was amazing and snap that out Michael yeah don't edit that bit out please but there were there were some moments which are like quite hectic and I think because because her body was changing and she also got something called pelvic synthesis which is where her hip bone became really sore she also because she's quite slender she went she she was heavy on the front so she went quite big and to the point where heavy on the front yeah that's how she was we describe it okay fair enough she's very heavy on the front to the point to the point that when the mornings she couldn't get herself out of bed so i had to we thought at one point i was going to have to drill a piece of rope into the ceiling um and there was a lot of that but then the real tough moments became quite testing because there were moments like she would i would do something wrong to piss her off and her reaction was like zero to a hundred where she would say she would say things suddenly like um i hate your parents and i'd be like where's that come from but it was yeah it was wild and amazing and and the guys followed the whole whole process of it which was really hard for soph yeah because you're pregnant because you're signing up to a bit of a fluffy should we have kids we might want kids all of a sudden it's real and it's yeah your first time expecting a baby and just got cameras there and it's really scary did they film the birth well they they weren't in for the birth but go pro on on your forehead but like the train spot but this is this is francis great idea we've got francis coming in We got Francis Bourgeois.

18:33Bourgeois. We got Francis Bourgeois. The train is leaving the Tamil. Come on, Soph.

18:45We hired Francis Bourgeois as a cameo. Content's content.

18:52Josh Widdicombe:Also, you collab with him. That's huge. Yeah, you've gone viral. Yeah, it's huge. It was a great decision. but um the we were so we were in the um so we were we were in the hospital and the whole we were trying to do all natural and everything like that and then um so they had to say it was emergency c-section yeah which is really quite scary yeah like oh my god because you already particularly francis is doing it francis is there with the cobra on don't give him the knife and all his reactions anyway that was quite scary yeah it's awful because that's what happened to us and it's suddenly you're in an operation and it's terrifying but the whole thing is really scary yeah like because you it's the only sort of situation where you feel completely out of control because you don't know and I know a little bit about most things like a little bit right when it comes to giving birth and I know nothing so you're standing in the room and what happened with Ziggy was there were complications and they said, look, Soph, I know you want to do it natural, but I think you're going to have to change it up.

19:58You're going to have to do an emergency C-section. And she was so brave. I mean, it was like the most insane thing I've ever seen. Like, so brave. I was in bits. And I was trying, I had to keep like turning. I was like, why have my eyes? It's like Noah's Ark. I was like, oh my God, this is like actually embarrassing. And then by the time they said we have to do emergency C-section, to the point where you're in your scrubs in there, it's like five minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so quick. So quick.

20:21Josh Widdicombe:They really take the word emergency seriously don't they? And then our amazing... To your ear pods out. This is the fast service from Zone 6 to the third mile in London. And then our amazing... So quick! Who's the doctor? It's a bullet train! What's the doctor who does it all called? Surgeon? No, it's called the... Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah. The doctor who did it was amazing. He came in listening to music to calm himself down. To calm himself down? Yeah, he was listening to music but he was incredible. Like a footballer getting off the coach at an away game. like what you were doing Jamie Lange's buy-in oh give me the fucking headphones here so we had that in so then we were there and no one was filming it because we didn't want cameras in but one of the midwives who was this amazing lady incredible she picked up my phone and started recording the whole thing oh wow so she it was like it was like Martin Skolstese had like dragged it was insane so what angle is she getting there she's right in there it's also landscape oh that's not good for Insta?

21:21No but for TV. It was insane. So what was captured was like this pure...

21:30Josh Widdicombe:It was CK Barry wasn't it? The midwife. It was this whole set up. But she was filming it so the reaction was like it was so insane and real. Because we didn't realise we were being filmed. Because it was just someone you trust, the midwife, with your phone. But we didn't know she was filming it. Oh really? Oh my word. So everything was so real and when Ziggy came out and everything's okay and that whole bit when you're just waiting for the cry. How graphic was the filming? You don't see anything but you see Ziggy being taken up through the tummy and oh my god yeah it was a lot and then you hear the cry.

22:02Which end were you? I went down bottom end to have a look and it was quite a lot because the cesarean also they really open up your tummy yeah um but we feel and then that's also now in the show. Wow god and then how long did they film you after because the camera's gone now then so the cameras are just gone so just gone so a good couple of couple of months three months so the cameras went like two weeks ago right and has that made it easier now they've gone or it's it's having having a baby well or being pregnant having a baby and filming a disney show and doing that is a lot i mean it is a lot but also guys how many cameras and people are there uh cameras sometimes two cameras not that many people it's very real it's like the most real thing ever and it's have you watched it

22:48Josh Widdicombe:we've watched all three episodes and how did you feel did it bring it back to you it's like does that feel like a while ago already in a weird way because that's how i felt with having a baby oh it's crazy because as soon as you once you have the baby it's like you're so stuck in the trenches of just like figuring out what you're doing making sure that your baby's alive like not sleeping so you're just all in this like crazy wild time and it feels like a long time ago but it also goes so quick and we've watched three episodes and it's i i'm really proud of it like really honestly like really proud because i was really what especially with soph sophie's quite shy actually naturally quite shy and she's married some guy who is not shy background in terms of not what i mean is she as well-bred as you

23:36Josh Widdicombe:what i mean um her dad invented the bourbon Has she got performance or anything in her background or like public facing us? No, so she basically, she went to she came out of university, she went to Newcastle came out of Newcastle and one of her friends was on the show so she was on one of her friends was on Made in Chelsea she came out of university, she went into a job she didn't enjoy the job and one of her friends said why don't you come do a Made in Chelsea like season or whatever and she was like I just don't really want to do it, I'm quite embarrassed to go and do it but was like I'll go and do it.

24:07Is she Made in Chelsea? she's made in Warwickshire she's made in Warwickshire or Cotswolds Warwickshire Cotswolds and she went into main Chelsea but really didn't like it was she in it much was she a bit like but that's where we mean her met right so we met on the show yeah and for so many years guys I didn't want that to be like our story because I thought the main Chelsea team how lame that we met on a TV show and it's me oh my god all that stuff but actually it's like our story is the coolest thing ever so she came onto the show um and immediately i just found her hilarious she's so like authentic and real compared to everyone your podcast together is great she's very cutting she's just that's what she's like down to earth and that kind of stuff which is what you need 100 % you know and then more of if anything more of that please lose the same with me

24:57Josh Widdicombe:absolutely just rinses me to pieces and just oh yeah rob's robin loo are considering doing a reality tv show i'm not i said i don't want to also by the way i've listened to you wait would you do it no no i don't i i would no i don't see this is sweet money is it good money how good's the money no it's not well because that's the thing you've got loads already how much do you need it or just love the attention what is it because i'm trying to like earn enough money to not have to get so much attention on doing tv shows but you've already got it what's the motivator for you then do you like documenting everything i um wait so going back so the reason why it's the reason why I did Maine Chelsea was because again like Sophie you come out of school and this opportunity comes out how old are you I was like 21 yeah right and you forget that when you're 21 these decisions like stay with you for like a long time right and anyway decisions to work in water stokes working in an office job didn't stick with it right yeah when you when you're 21 you do a TV show that kind of last with you and it's hard to shake that everyone knows you as that person because what do you do to distract from that?

26:06You know, run through the desert for no reason, you know, for hours and hours, you know, stuff like that. Do like 40 marathons in 40 days. 40 marathons or whatever, John.

26:14Josh Widdicombe:He's never leaving you. That was Spencer as well. I know, I know, I know. He didn't even fucking go to the desert. He just ran across Britain crying. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Are you and Spencer mates or not mates? Yeah, we're friendly. We're friendly now. right okay we had a fallout though we had oh then you met up again on podcasting because you don't know what's real d in the paper yeah and then we we and i can't imagine falling out with you well i that's the thing i'll get i'll tell you that i'll finish this but i'll tell you that so so so so came onto the show she didn't really like it but me and her became like really close mates and then i had just broken up with my girlfriend at the time and we went to south africa together to film a bit of main chelsea and she was like i'm ignoring about leaving the show she was like i've done a series I don't really enjoy this don't know why anyone does this it's all a bit weird and when we're out of South Africa I suddenly like totally and utterly fell in love with it I can't I don't know if you got it with your wives right which suddenly you meet them you're just like oh fingers crossed one day South Africa is that where we need to go The country that really brings people together.

27:29But we fell in love, I fell in love with her. You know when you become a bit crazy in love?

27:34Josh Widdicombe:Yes. I was totally and utterly obsessed with her. Beyonce wrote a song about it, didn't she? About you in South Africa. Yeah. And then because we started hooking up and dating and then she was like, I'm leaving the show. So I was like, I'm leaving the show as well. So we kind of left the show together. Oh, right. And we didn't really want that to be our story of meeting on the show. but it is our story and the reason then we do another show even though Sophie's experience of doing being Chelsea shouldn't like that much was that this one you got more control right more control it's not structured reality yeah that's totally because they really stitch you up on that when this is just you live in this is you lives living her structure reality no cuz it's still going with like real housewives and stuff so it's still a big thing isn't it a huge thing yeah and now they got ladies of London have you watched that it's a similar thing who's seen it but that's totally different reality Obsessed with reality.

28:23Obsessed with obsessed. She's a huge Hey You fan, isn't she? Obsessed with all the Hey You stuff. So what's her favourite? Which one does she love the most? Oh, she's fucking, she's all of it. Rose likes Salt Lake and Beverly Hills. There's that one as well where they go up and stay in a house at the weekends in like upstate New York somewhere. Hampton's? I don't know, we know what that's called. Wait, wait, what's that one? I don't know. Is that a Real Housewives? That is a Hey You Real Housewives, that Andy Cohen, is it Andy Cohen? Yeah Andy Cohen.

28:48Josh Widdicombe:We felt like the, well, we, I'm just passing off what Rose said. The UK versions haven't flown in the same way. I don't think they've flown. Because I think the American versions, they go so... The Vanderpumps. But they go so... Oh, yeah, Lou loves that. They go so hard into it that they just, like, they don't care about anything. They just, like, where, as Brits, we're a bit more self-conscious of, like, what to say or to argue, where the Americans don't care. They're in it for one reason, the only reason. So in America it's like Kelsey Grammer's wife, but here it's like the wife of somebody who plays for Burnley.

29:19Yes. It's not as glamorous. It's not as glamorous. So there are no caveats from Disney, they were like, we're just going to put cameras on you and just exist. Yeah, they were just like, we're just going to exist and do it. And the reason we did it is like, I don't know if you guys, ever since I was a kid I had a video camera wherever I went. I filmed everything and I was like the era of Home Alone. How old are you? I'm 24. You're not on E4 anymore though. I'm 37. You're 37. You guys are what, 45?

29:48Josh Widdicombe:So I'm 42 and he's 40. 45. I'm 40, he's 42. You're the same age as Joe Marler and I think you look so similar. To Marler? I don't know. Marler. Couple of rugby boys. So I was in the era of Home Alone and do you remember Talkboy? Yeah. Talkboy pen was it? Yeah, the Talkboy pen and the Talkboy thing that you would like record. He was from Plymouth. I'm not from Plymouth how many times we've been working together for six years all I'm saying is look we had a big video camera yeah but a talk boy was when you record your voice yeah a dictaphone no no you're a journalist when you were a kid you had a talk boy there's a talk boy pen you could get from Argos and it was a normal pen that you could press a button it would have 20 seconds of recording it was unbelievable yeah right so I had that he didn't get his from Argos I got mine from Argos he didn't go to Argos have you ever been in Argos I got mine from Argos he bought the book another fact for you everything Another fact for you.

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32:53Another fact for you, the Argos catalog. Yep. most um most sold book here we go here we go you won't buy it though you don't buy the book do you most published most published book okay more than richard osman more than richard osman yeah can you imagine how many there used to be crates of them you'd walk in yeah so many of them anyway that's my kind of fact boy i had a video camera and i used to record and film everything so you love it so i loved it like so i love it behind the camera in front of everything and i love the realness of like following life yeah like I don't I just love that love people think people are amazing for other people though but I don't know if I'd want it for me but you like you would be totally honest let's hear me out okay Netflix come to

33:37Josh Widdicombe:you and they say we want let's be real dispatchers dispatchers come to you You say, we want to do a documentary. Dave, dispatchers are doing a documentary. Would Lou love it? No, I don't. I can't imagine anyone that would want it. I don't think so, but no, I think we'd just get stressed. Can I ask a question about that on getting stressed? When you are having an argument, is there part of you, at what point do you go, oh, this is actually quite good content? Well, I'm not saying ham it up, but you know, for instance, on here, if you broke down in tears, there would be part of us thinking this is great.

34:20Josh Widdicombe:So what part of you when you're having a terrible day? I have that with this podcast. If something bad happens to me, quite swiftly I think that's great for the podcast. Yeah, it's great. So I think like that because I think like a producer, right? So when Soph and I are having, and there's a lot of real stuff in it, right? There are arguments, there are upsets, there are moments which are really hectic and emotional and really stressful and everything's in it. Do you know how to storm out of the door that's better lit? Because you think like a producer. Can you storm out again so we can get that better?

34:52Josh Widdicombe:I don't think anyone's finished a sentence yet. Sorry! Sorry! It's like the bad old days of Mott the Week! It's so exciting. I'm so excited. But you know it's like sometimes you get guests on that you really have to fucking go to the depths. but when you got already mate it's great oh no no it's when the guest sits down and as soon as they say hello you're like oh for fuck's sake this is going hard or you go like how are you and they go yeah good and you're like oh god talk and then you end up going see do you like dolphins anyway um because i have a producer head on me like sometimes there there were when you when we were having an argument or you know seeing the birth on our phone and thinking well i i do afterwards you go like oh my god that is actually interesting content because that's going to be in the show and that shows the real life of it but because it was so real and so off the cuff you i wasn't really thinking that way ever and also during the pregnancy if i'm totally honest and you guys have had this there are so many anxieties yeah yeah man it's like the scariest time did you do your run during the pregnancy or was that just before just before yeah then Sophie got pregnant?

36:01Josh Widdicombe:Oh yeah. After the run? Oh I know. So that's the way to do it is it? Mm-hmm. How many miles did you run? 155. Can I be honest? Yeah. You thought Sam Thompson was doing it? He did his run afterwards. Did he? I thought he did it. What the fuck's going on? I'm in a WhatsApp group with him and Romesh and I could probably find the text, I won't, but I can't remember who it was. They said, I think Jamie Lang's going to lose a leg here oh man it was the most crazy thing so you were i thought they're gonna amputate i'm gonna lose my job on the last leg guys honestly honestly so what happened with that was so so comic relief and radio one basically greg was meant to do it last year so he's doing it this year right so he's cycling so they came to me and said do you want to greg has to drop out yeah do you want to go and do this like comic relief challenge and in my head i was like okay seems quite fun i could do that the problem is any of you guys know is people think i'm like a posh idiot right so i was like i don't think anyone's going to donate because they already think i'm air to mcvitties so they'll just be like why don't you just donate it and the problem with being like the supposed air to mcvitties is i get the stigma of being a billionaire's sub without any of the cash it's like a double loss it's like a double loss i wish that was true anyway so they came to me and said would you like to do this run and i said yeah but it has to be really big said okay what do you think you're doing i was like well i did cross country at school so I'll do a big run and they're like well how far you gonna run I was like well I reckon I could run to Manchester and they were like okay what was you basing that off?

37:34I just felt like I could do you know when you hold like a stone by like a lake yeah and you feel like I could probably hit that wave and you're like you're near it it was like I reckon I could probably run that yeah that's what I was like so anyway they were like it's it's 150 odd miles 160 miles and it's going to take you five days to do it do you think you can do it yeah so this was in the december guys so what's that 30 miles a day no so it was just over so it's it was 54 kilometers a day right so you said marathon is 42 kilometers or 44 kilometers so but they told me this in the december so then in january on the 1st of january I was like, right, I've got to train.

38:17This challenge is in March. And I got on chat GPT, right? And I was like, how long does it take you to train for an ultramarathon? He said two years. So I was like, I don't know, three months. Had it been announced? It had just been announced. So I was like, I've got three months to do this. So I was like, okay. Did they not set you up of a training plan? Yes, but I had three months. And it was like, you've got to... And also just the way we are, like... Also on TV and radio, it's like, yeah, cool, you know. Just do it. It'll be fine. Yeah, you'll be fine. So I got up and I started running, I swear to you, I'd done like a 5k before that and I'd done Costa Country at school.

38:50I did one 5k. Let's not forget the cross country school. Let's not forget the cross country school. Fucking unbelievable.

38:54Josh Widdicombe:So good at cross country. Which is difficult when your school is in Chelsea. Straight down the Kings Road. Pavement, terrible. Tourists everywhere. Running across Albert Bridge. Anyway, they were like, right, so we're going to do this. So I got up and I started training, did a 5k, that was alright. I did a 10k, that was okay. I did one 25km run before, I did a 25km run. It was so painful and so awful, so I'm not going to do that again. I was like, I'm just going to go naive into this, because if I'm naive into this run, maybe I'll do it. And they were like, okay, well the first day is going to be fine, because you don't know what it's like to do an ultramarathon, that means.

39:36Second day is going to be rubbish, because you know what day one is like. Day three is going to be the worst, because you're not even halfway through. day four is gonna be better day five you're gonna be flying yes I was like brilliant every day got worse there was not there was not there was not one day where I was like this is brilliant I was like this is amazing um on day three of doing it and I always think that you need to like the the go for it right was always like this is for comic relief and like amazing people and I was doing it all for like anxiety and mental health and making like one foot in front of the other like keep moving whenever you're in the depths of it, like keep moving forward.

40:12And on day three, I woke up and I was like exhausted. And I was like, Oh my God. And I was just, I just can't be bothered to do this anymore. I was like, why am I even doing this? I lost all energy. I was so sore. I could hardly move. And I got on the radio in the morning, because also doing the radio at the same time, I was doing everything that was a lot. And I was like, Jesus, got on the radio. And honestly, you couldn't move in the morning. I was so broken. And I got on the radio and this young little sweet girl, 11 years old, had left me a voice note on the radio so we're gonna play you this voice note and this girl said Jamie you got to keep going I've donated my pocket money and I was like oh my god and she said if you can get through these next few days I can get through my chemo oh my god oh yeah oh yeah and I was like oh my god this sweet angel and I was like oh my god and then suddenly the realization of like yeah yeah are you kidding me like there's these like little people out there who are suffering from so many different things, so many things are going on and whoever that little girl was, was the one that just suddenly like my whole brain switched and I was like well here I go, I've got to go and do it.

41:14Right, so mentally you shifted. Mentally it just shifted in my mind, I was like right I've got to go and do this and so this little girl whoever she was just like got me through. But it was like honestly that's when I saw all the tears started going. Because of that, yeah. It's like girl, I was like oh my god. Fucking hell. And you know you guys were kids and now I have a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't even like imagine. Oh my. Awful. yeah fuck with that you're piping fucking smoking

41:38so would you ever go would you ever do marathons have you ever done a marathon

41:42Josh Widdicombe:so I've been on the front of runners world magazine but let's not go into that I was the month before get the fuck out of here look I'm not saying can I see it it's online he hasn't got it on him it's taken on his chest come on show me I want to see it on your phone I'd say telling someone that you're on it is better for morale than letting them see it I want to see it. Can you just break it down? How did that come about? Do you want to see it? Yeah, I want to see it first and then can you tell me how that came about? Okay. No. What do you mean no? Sorry, pause it here. Okay, so this is Josh. He sort of crouched down and what I think is like, it looks like you've just been made a prefect.

42:21That's like the smile you're giving. And it says the best year and the gadgets to boost recovery. No, that's not me. that's not me. Find your joy, and it says find your joy. Yeah, Josh Willikin on keeping the fun in your run. Wow. I've been David Brent, you've been brilliant.

42:40Josh Widdicombe:That's not a direct quote by the way, keeping the fun in your run. Well, it looks like it. Can you me, how did that come about? They asked me whether I'd want to be on the, no, that's actually what happened Jamie, you got your PR person to contact them. No I didn't, I swear on my life i didn't all right calm down jesus aggressive he didn't like that yeah i thought i was having fun with running yeah jesus jesus mate don't have a laugh is it i'm not pushing this i swear on my life i didn't i just have a joyful running i wanted to share i swear on my life i didn't i swear on my life we believe you no i don't i don't believe myself now okay yeah so what happened you're gonna tell them they contacted me yeah my PR contacted me I can read the email we believe you know I don't have to swell your laugh I'll get fucking receipts out we don't always need proof I believe okay she said okay she said yeah um something like would you like to do some promo in runners world and you're a runner before this well I run no I'm not a runner hang Hang on, I'm so good.

43:44So, so Runner's World just plucks you, thought Josh Whittakin would be a great person to be on the cover.

43:50Josh Widdicombe:Well, I didn't know it was the cover. I just thought it was like a little interview. So I was like, yes. And then she was like, so when should we arrange the cover shoot? And I was like, oh, fuck. Is this your first cover? I think it probably is, yeah. Nice. Where'd you go from there, though? Jogger's World in a few years. And so then you did it, and then Harry Styles is on the next month. Yeah. Pretty cool, isn't it? That's suspicious, isn't it? Can we go back to you though, Jamie? Wait, Rob, have you ever been on a cover? Erm, not that I remember. Maybe. You would have. I think I was on the cover with Radio Times or something.

44:26Radio Times and things that I'm not sure. Have you ever had heat torso of the week? No. Well, it looks like a fucking don of kebab. Have you had heat torso of the week? I've had heat torso of the week. Take your t-shirt off, Jamie. No, I've really... I had heat torso of the week once. Yeah. Or maybe twice, just both times. I haven't looked at it. Yeah, but you've got, you're in pretty good shape and you've always been in good shape. Yeah, wish. You're an athlete. Can I ask a question about your busy schedule? Now you're a dad. Yes. Because you are one of the busiest people going. You've got Candy Kittens, you do loads of TV work, your own podcast company.

45:00Radio One. Are you still on Radio One as well? Yeah. Still pretending to like the music? We don't know about stuff like that. That's tiring, isn't it? What are your, what are your,

45:08Josh Widdicombe:are you a big artist at the moment that you're enjoying on Radio One? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who are you into? Man, Benson Boone Oh yeah, Benson Boone Somber Somber Wet Leg Wet Leg, yeah Like, who else do I like? Olivia Rodrigo Oh yeah And Olivia Dean Olivia Dean Oh yeah Man, I feel No, that's not Shania Twain You're the man I need Oh There you go Don't think we'll be able to clear that Actually, it's far enough away from the original. So you've got loads going on. Because you did private parts, so now someone else hosts that. And then you changed the name of your podcast with Sophie because it was nearlyweds, newlyweds, nearly...

45:54Nearly parents. Nearly parents. What is it now? Well, it's coming back. Guess. Newly parents. I'm not going to say, but you're in the right area. And when, like, potentially it changes to nearly divorced, then divorce... That's what I wanted to call it. Producer head on. That's what I wanted to call it. What? I wanted to call the new version that, nearly divorced, because I thought it would be funny, but apparently it's too negative. Right.

46:16Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, try selling that to an advertiser. Yeah. Candy kittens aren't going to go near it. They're not going to go near that. How are you... Your experience of how busy it is at the moment, what's your plans going forward? Because if you decide to have more kids, again, that's double the trouble, triple... And then your business, it feels like at the moment you're in your business vibe. You're really into it. You're really putting everything into it. Yeah. So how are you going to juggle it and what's the plan? Well, I don't know. This is the thing. Before you have kids, right, it's already quite a lot because you're doing a stand-up tour, you're doing a podcast and you're creating something else and you kind of have the capacity to do it, right?

46:58Because you're just like, oh, I can do all this. But you felt like you was at capacity before. I felt like I was at capacity before. But in your head, you think, well, everyone has kids. It can't be that complicated. It's going to be all right. then when you have a kid it's like oh wow it's not a full-time job but it also like bookends the day yeah like before the days would be like okay I can kind of rest at night it's like bookended with chaos yeah there's chaos in between I like just Sophie is just amazing and I just think mums like just in general are amazing and she she's taking a lot of the the weight at the moment when we start thinking about having more kids i just don't know how i don't know how you juggle it all and fit it in and like i don't like how do you guys even when you go on because you're you guys are on tour a lot how do you juggle that you just come back very late and don't see the kids it's a constant fight to get the balance right yeah it is like 10 years of what if i do this i need to do that for the career get the money in but obviously the kids but I'm making conscious decisions that where I am turning down opportunities and business ideas to make room for the kids and trying to take new jobs that are closer to home and things like that so you you prioritize now you say right unless it's in this like structure I'm not yeah but that may lead to me my career not progressing as far or as fast or as high and not as earning as much money but I'm willing to sacrifice that slightly in order to the, but I still don't ever know if I'm making the right decision at any point because you don't want to be at home with loads of time but no money to do anything or vice versa.

48:43Money and opportunities are flying in but then the kids don't know your name. And it's also like a sudden shift.

48:48Josh Widdicombe:That's the worst one. Do you know what I mean? It's like the thought of going, I was so obsessed with reaching somewhere that doesn't, there's this weird marker to me or doesn't matter. Yeah. either financial or ego. Do you know what I mean? But it's incredibly difficult because we've, the three of us have spent all our time before we had kids. On that goal. On that goal. Thinking that's all that's happening in my life. Yes. And then suddenly it changes. And suddenly it changes. It changes. And that's kind of wild. Yeah. And it's a weird shift because then, I mean, I heard this like ridiculous, I saw a clip from one of those ridiculous podcasts where it's quite, hectic but there was a quote that they said in it which was which was really interesting where it was like a story of like how a successful American finds a fisherman and the fisherman is with his family and he goes out in the morning and he catches fish he comes back feeds it to his family and spends time with his family right yeah and the American businessman says to him why don't you change that he says well why would I do that he says well you could go out you could fish for longer collect more fish and then sell it in a market and the the fisherman says well why would I do that.

50:05And the American business as well well then you can sell fish in the market and you can make more money. He says well why do that, he says well then you can make more money and you can set up your own manufacturing manufacturing the fish and sell it everywhere. He says why would you, didn't you can set it round the world and make loads of money and he said well why would I do that and the American business man says well you can make so much money that you can spend time with your family. He says, well, I'm already doing that. So it's crazy that we're always running towards this goal.

50:31Josh Widdicombe:And it's really toxic in my own head. And I think I've got a really toxic relationship with work. Not that I'm trying to control it, but I know that I've got an obsessive relationship with work. But why is that? I don't know. Well, I think that for all different deep personal reasons, that's lit the fire in our belly. Come on, let's get deep for a second. Let's get deep. What's yours? What's yours? Be honest. What is the reason do you think you strive for it? Mine was a lack of self-worth because I wasn't good at anything as a kid and at school. And that later on, I found out was a late diagnosis of dyslexia.

51:03So I'd sit there feeling useless and stupid. I found a thing I was good at naturally. And the more effort I put in, the better it got, which was stand up. And that led to opportunity, respect, ego, a bit of money. And then all my self-worth got wrapped up into that. But it made me I got addicted to it because I was being good and successful where everything else was shit and bad. but now it's managing that so if I'm tired or things haven't gone wrong it'll drag me back to that world to go well I know a little world where you're really good at and it's all going well at and then I'll get dragged back into it and then I'll convince myself well I'll do that loads because that might bring money or security but then you don't need it as much but it's easy to get dragged back into it because the other thing is being sat at home with your own thoughts which then makes you go mad again

51:48Josh Widdicombe:Josh what's yours? I am still trying to work it out in the sense of I haven't got as clear a origin story in my head as Rob, if you know what I mean. But I think what I get or got and still get for my career was I want to be seen. I want to be acknowledged. I want to be liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All those things. I think it then changed. I had a weird thing where when I had kids, and this is something that I think very dangerous to people in certainly freelance industries. Yeah. As soon as I had kids, I became incredibly terrified of it all going away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so I really think from when my daughter was born to maybe a couple of years ago, I was driven almost entirely by fear.

52:41Because you thought it was just suddenly just going to go. You were going to wake up one day and then, oh, that's it. I knew this was going to happen. So all of it was like,

52:47Josh Widdicombe:I have to do, right, if each job is worth this amount of money and I need this amount of money to never have to work again, then I need to do this amount of jobs. And if I could do that in five years, then I need to do that many days a week. All these things were going around my head, all these intrusive thoughts. So that drove me. You know how you can think back to periods of your life and it will just give you a feeling as to how you're feeling there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I think back to the open mic circuit, it feels exciting and it feels thrilling. Yeah. And almost when I get onto TV, that's when it starts to feel like...

53:20Josh Widdicombe:You've got something to lose here. Really? You don't want to be that guy that... Yeah. Because you're not in control of that, almost. When you're in control of the open mic circuit. When you're on the open mic circuit, everything is possible. Everything is infinite. You could be Eddie Murphy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird choice. That's what I thought when I saw you. I don't know if you could be Eddie Murphy. I actually don't know if you could be. I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see Josh do the club. Don't. Do not trample on my dreams. I don't know if you... What's driving you? Sorry. But that's it.

53:55I think similar to what you guys had as well. And I don't think... Especially, man, we don't talk about that enough. I think it's the fear of not being seen. Shock, I went to boarding school at eight. Well, we know your one. Oh, yeah. So you got dropped off at boarding school at eight. At eight years old. So I got dropped off. My parents didn't tell me what boarding school was. So I was just dropped off. And then I was like, where have you gone? and I wasn't able to phone home for two weeks and I was given a number so it felt like prison I was like this is mad you don't want to be forgotten I don't want to be forgotten so if you've got enough everywhere I feel seen so mine was like not being forgotten fear of abandonment and also dyslexia and I was really good at sports so that was useful because I was really bad at academics but I knew if I was at sport I got the cheering on the sideline so I was like oh I like Yeah, a big bro.

54:48So I was like, oh, I like that. So I need more cheering because if I get the cheering, then I get it. So then growing up, I thought, well, who gets the most cheering? Oh, it looks like people who are famous get cheered. Yeah. So I thought, well, then I was off the reality TV show. I was like, well, that's going to cure all my problems. Because suddenly I'm now famous or have some sort of profile. That's going to make me happy. But the problem is, then you go into a reality show and people are more laughing at you. Yeah. And you don't realize that until my big moment was when we won the BAFTA. right we were on the BAFTA for Made in Chelsea and I remember getting on yeah oh my god here you go and we got onto stage and I looked into the audience you guys are probably there I saw like Olivia Colman and Idris Elba and Benedict and these amazing people and they were just looking back at us like they were just looking a bit embarrassed and I suddenly was like oh shit we're not cool and I was suddenly a realisation I was like oh my god and I'd taken a shortcut into this industry of entertainment, which was through the back door.

55:44I had become somewhat famous for just being myself, not for doing stand-up comedy or playing music or whatever. And so I was like, oh my God. So then it was like, okay, I've chosen this road into a industry, which is entertainment. I can't really go back on it now, so I have to double down. Yes. And then so that's when I had to double down and try to figure out what I was doing in this industry. But it's the same, fear of losing it all, fear of being found out, fear of abandonment. And you had an extra one I've got, I can't be remembered just as the Made in Chelsea guy. So if I've got enough out there of, I've got my own podcast coming, candy kittens and all this stuff.

56:20And then you never know when enough's enough. You never know when enough's enough. Because you could stop tomorrow forgetting about finances and stuff like that. You've achieved so much in your life already. Well, I think so. But then also now it comes down to like, I don't know if you guys have this, but like with your baby, with my baby, I'm just like, guys, I want them to be kind of proud. you and like i want them to go that's my daddy and he does this torso of the week torso of the fucking week man can i say something there about that about you yeah you're gonna be proud of you whatever right because you're gonna be a loving dad my my the best thing i get from my kids is they don't give a shit who i am they don't they don't go oh i'm so proud of you dad because you've done this you that doesn't even get spoke about they'll say stuff like dad can we play trap which is a little game that we do it's got nothing to do with the outer world and we play together and And do that.

57:09And for me, that's our connection, that moment, where really, when your unit's so strong, what else is going on out there? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Spring just slid into your DMs.

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58:09What's trap? Trap's a little game where we lay on the floor and I lay on my front and then they get on my back and then I pretend to wake up and I have to try and grab them and I trap them and then they jump on. I played it with them when they were like toddlers, now one's ten, they're like I'm getting choked out. It's like UFC. That's amazing. With a toddler school, would you consider boarding school for your kids? I don't, not at eight years old. like no i don't firstly like i there's always the conversation between like boarding and non-boarding and state and private and all and like i it's like a whirlwind of a conversation i don't know i think boarding definitely not at eight you're drawn no freaking because i think boarding when they're like 14 or 12 and they go can i stay at school for a couple of nights if that's the school they go to they offer that it's quite a fun experience but i think that dropping them well you know a lot of people on the comedy circuit and in this industry that the whole dropping them at seven or eight, really hardcore.

59:04It's mad. I would never do that. But it was it was like wild, like the whole and you're thrown into dorm. But it was it's what taught me loads of stuff. I was thrown into a dormitory of like 12 kids at eight years old, right? It was called Snoopy, the dormitory I remember, called Snoopy. But you because you were thrown into public school. Yeah. And because it was 12 like strangers, you had to understand people to fit in. So you had to make friends to survive. So therefore I learned communication quite quickly with lots of different people. So that's why I thought it became okay communication.

59:36Josh Widdicombe:Did some people, was it a sink or swim and some people sunk? And then when I went to the older school, when I was at 12, 13, which was a different school, that was really, my first night, my first night, I'm not even kidding you, my first night at the biggest school, right? And this is like, this is what, how many years ago? So 25 years ago, right? So it's a bit more old school, right? There was a lot of old school things going on. This is a boys' school. So the older boys ran the school. The teachers were there, but the boys ran it. My very first night, I got dropped off, and we were called Stigs.

1:00:08If you were in your first year, you were called Stigs. So was this Harry Potter? Yeah, we wore gowns. Put on the sorting hat. Gryffindor. Anyway. Slytherin. Anyway, it was a long corridor, and they were cut into cubicles, right? And that's where you would sleep, in this room. and my first night my mum dropped me off at school and my dad and my mum dropped me in my cubicle and on the side of my bed there was melted cheese and someone had written in it you will die. Oh my god this is so hectic. Anyway I went to bed that night and I sleep with my arm underneath the pillow and I went to bed and put my arm underneath the pillow and someone had put a lasagna underneath it.

1:00:55So I came out with like a pasta glove on. I was like, what is this place? So it was quite hectic that one. Did they used to actually play Soggy Biscuit? I never played Soggy Biscuit. Did you hear about it? You heard about Soggy Biscuit. I never played Soggy Biscuit. And that game, Josh, if you don't know. I know. Of course I know what Soggy Biscuit is. Oh, Catherine, you're going to swore on your life that you didn't.

1:01:18Josh Widdicombe:Did you not do it because you felt it was unfair on your lineage as a biscuit empire? Not on Grandad's McVitties. There was a story that happened, because you were into boarding houses, there was a story that happened where, and this poor guy, who was such a great guy, but he never really lived it down, all this year said, we'll get into a room together. This is so weird, I can't believe I'm telling you this story, but I was involved, but they were like, let's get into a room together. and it's let's play this soggy biscuit game right yeah and the soggy biscuit game is where it's the it's the last person to be anyway so they all got into room together and turned off the lights anyway they then everyone was in it apart from one guy and so then they turn off the lights and then 36 on the lights and they're all sitting there fully clothed apart from one guy.

1:02:11Oh God.

1:02:14Josh Widdicombe:Oh man. That's terrible. Oh my God. I'm sharing too much. Oh God. No, no. Well, final question, Michael, is it? Yeah. Right. Final question, Jamie. Sorry, I'm sorry I've rambled so much. No, that's what we're looking for. This is a call the famer episode. No, we'll have to get all Sophie back on at some point. You can come on at some point again. You can come on whenever you want. it's the easiest fucking hour of my life. Okay, okay. Apart from the accusations about me finding the runner's world. If you wanted to be a runner's world, do you want to be a runner's world? I don't want to be a runner's world!

1:02:43I'm still confused. No, I do. I'm proud of it. But I'm still confused about the runner's world. I'm still confused because they just randomly asked you, even though you're not a big runner. I think that what it was, was Romesh, who's got the same PR as Josh, he was doing it for Teenage Cancer Trust ages ago. So I think Teenage Cancer Trust got in touch with Runner's World and said, can you feature Romesh on the front to raise the profile of the charity so he wore the charity of teenage cancer trust top on the cover and said i'm running for charity and it was a cover thing josh went on to publicize his own tour for his self-profit yeah that's okay which is just two different guys yeah just two different people just to be clear

1:03:18Josh Widdicombe:with my talk i'm keeping all of the profits yeah of course you're not going to peter k no peter k gave away a lot of the latest leg of the toy is doing is giving all the money wow away to charity and you've done that rob what's that giving away charity no but i have written a new joke in the last 25 years.

1:03:38Josh Widdicombe:Right. Just one more. Can I just ask one other question before we go to the last question? Are you each other's godparents? Are you godparents, Dick? No, we don't. We don't do that. What do you mean you don't do that? We don't do godparents. What's wrong with you? Why don't you do godparents? Well, I don't. Let's just say hierarchy, structure and inheritance and sort of nepotism has not really benefited us. so we're trying to cut that off at sauce as opposed to carry on you don't have godparents I've not been christened and your kids don't have godparents no they're not christened wow I haven't got a problem with it no no why are you christening your kids you're going to be disgusted like fucking Stephen Bartlett it'll be my godfather just someone connected in the industry Rupert Murdoch is the godfather mine's going to be HS Tiki Tiki Andrew Tiki No, we've not done that So are you going to get your kid christened in?

1:04:33Well, I might not now If you guys haven't done it Oh, that would change your age Oh, I don't know Are you religious? Well, I don't really I don't know I do I now pray at night You are Because of the baby Because of the baby You're so stressed I do You started praying Well, I give thanks So now, every night I'll get on my hands On the knees at the bed And I'll go Thank you for keeping My wife and Ziggy happy, healthy, safe and content. Oh, that's nice. They do it every night. That's a nice little prayer. You too. Where are they at this point? Sophie's in the bed and Ziggy's in the cot. And you're kneeling on the floor.

1:05:09And I'm kneeling on the floor. Do you know how he slept on the floor of his bedroom for the last, what, two years? Six months. Six months? Why have you... Because we haven't worked on. What? And the kids keep coming in and out.

1:05:21Josh Widdicombe:So you'll see me on the floor? Well, on a bed. Oh, like a camper bed. But my son's in the bed. Have you got any... Anyway. final question okay um what's one thing about sophie her as a mother that she does be like you're incredible i'm so lucky that you are the mother of my child and what's the one thing she does as a parent that's annoying you a little bit but because it's quite tense at the moment you've not brought it up but if she was listening she'd go that's a fair point great question um first thing is instincts like just a mother's instincts yeah i just like i will question things does he like to be held like this does he like this oh do any changes happy her instincts are just insane okay and even when ziggi was first born and i was like worried about holding the head and like oh my god and when watching her become a mom is like the most incredible amazing thing i've ever seen like it's just and without her it would be a shambles like a total shambles that on the flip side yeah um the one thing that she would say is fair is that she'll criticize everything i do well she wouldn't say it was fair she'll criticise it she'll criticise everything I do so she'll be like I will be like should I put him in I'll put him in some clothes and she'll be like nah that doesn't look good and I'll be like well I don't think he knows or cares but alright or or it'll be like just every little thing she's like she thinks she can do it better right but I think I just accept that for the time being good decision because I've listened to you on a podcast with that clever bald bloke with a posh voice Alain de Mausson Alain, yes Well it was very interesting because I saw some parallels where he was saying that because you felt a little bit at points abandoned at school and a bit unloved and there was a bit of rejection with your love because you got dropped off there that you were drawn towards a woman that gave you a little bit of rejection and love because it made you feel in that safe space because too much love you wouldn't know what to do with But just the right amount of rejection I really enjoy It's just the right amount And I listened to that I've got good news.

1:07:23Josh Widdicombe:It's the end of the interview. Fuck off. So that's just the right amount that I like. That's where I want more, but I would like more, but then it would be too much. I noticed parallels with me and Lou in that chat. Do you have that as well? A little bit, yeah. Well, she's just a bit fuck off. I quite like it. Yeah, and you're like, I love you. I love you. Yeah, and when they're a bit smothery, you're a bit like, oh, go away. Yeah. It's amazing. Guys, thank you. Jamie, good luck with everything. Good luck. Lovely guy. You are one of the greats. Thanks, guys. and you two and I just your podcast is amazing and my wife loves your podcast so much you guys are amazing so don't work too hard and enjoy it and what and are you guys gonna watch the Disney Plus show raising Chelsea here we go well raising Chelsea it's called raising Chelsea and when's it on it is on tomorrow is it out now it's out it's out it's out now it's all it's happened I shout that it's all you had me at camera footage shot on a phone oh man you're You're going to love it.

1:08:19It's amazing. It's funny. It's great. It's full of love. So go and get your Disney Plus subscription. Go and watch Raising Chelsea.

1:08:27Josh Widdicombe:Jamie Lang. What a guy. So does he? He's got such a good energy. Yeah. I'm starting to think maybe these other people that are full of beans aren't the problem. I'm the problem. You are full of beans 60 % of the time. And then you're totally no beans. I'm full of beans. I'm full of beans. No beans. I want some beans. It's because if you've got beans, you use the beans. Yeah, exactly. As soon as I get beans, I use them. Yeah. You need to learn to control your beans. I need to be getting beans as I'm using beans. I can't believe I'm getting told about overusing beans by the absolute bean crucifier over there.

1:08:59Exactly.

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