S12 EP30: Michelle Wolf

20:44Do they speak English as well? Yeah, yeah. I've never once spoken to them.

20:56I assume they're alright I just nodded a lot in the interview No they're great But you're like a little gang now It's almost like a band touring With you and the kids You all get on and stuff It's quite an intense relationship We have a great time I mean they're You know Especially because Here in London We all stay together So Yeah I mean I think I hope they like me

21:19Josh Widdicombe:and when you're doing tour shows are they coming to the how so say you're in let's go through your tour dates say you're in because you know now you can come in if you need to breastfeed or whatever but like if you're doing a gig in a show really you can't or will can you or do you interrupt the show for that I haven't so I will once I start touring the new one will be over six months so he'll be able to have kind of like some water and food and stuff so it won't be as super necessary to keep him as close by yeah never had to interrupt a gig for it no they have been in the green room before but so say June the 11th when you're in Swindon yes the wyvern old faithful best job in the world mm-hmm tell us about the show best The Best Job in the World is a show about how maybe motherhood is not the best job in the world.

22:19Oh, there we go. But also just about society and, you know, I think a little bit of the thesis statement I have is that society's not made for women. And we've kind of contoured ourselves to fit in. But also, I don't think society's made for men either. And you guys are having a hard time.

22:37Josh Widdicombe:Do you know what? Genuinely, premises on stand-up shows very rarely interest me. I buy into that. You've just done what the people do in our comments. You what? I didn't think I'd like you. No, I just said I didn't think I liked stand-up premises. But you've broken the mould. Oh, thank you. So you'll be doing that at the Swindon Wyvern, June 11th. Talk me through the kids on that day. So this is how we've planned this section of the tour. And for everyone who's mentioned, why am I not going further north? Because this first whole section... Well, let me go. Swindon Northampton Chelmsford Epsom Poole You really are keeping it south I'm here on Keane Watford Coventry quite northerly Farnham London back to your old stomping ground London again Brighton Newbury Bath Norwich Bristol Cheltenham Yeah that is incredibly south Yeah so this whole first leg of the tour is just everything I can get from London to the show and back in one night Oh Oh, here we go.

23:42So I am... The radius tour. Yes. Everything within a two to three hour travel time. And that way I can leave the baby and the one nanny will come with me just for feeding purposes. The toddler and the other nanny will stay back at the flat.

24:04Josh Widdicombe:Can I ask a question? Do the nannies, are they on a man-to-man marking constantly or do they switch? No, right now they're man-to-man. They're man-to-man. So one's toddler, one's baby, and they never switch. Yeah, they don't switch. And they realized recently that the babies also have an affinity for the nannies. And we've realized recently that their signs are the same. My nanny and my toddler are both Capricorns. Oh, here we go. And the new baby and my other nanny are both, can't remember the sign because I don't really buy into that too much. When is it? October, early October, Pisces? Libra?

24:47Libra.

24:48Josh Widdicombe:Don't know. Tourists. Just one of them. So you'll go in a car with your, a tour manager driving you? Yes. Nanny, infant, me. Yeah. we go to the gig feed the baby before I go on stage do you need a lot of because I I don't necessarily need to be on my own but I need to almost be doing mindless stuff like looking at my phone or looking at my phone really he needs to sit on his own in a room looking at his phone before he goes on no but do you know what I mean in that hour before it's not like I'm prepping for the show or anything Yeah, no, I would love that. A little bit of space. I would absolutely love that time.

25:39I imagine you've never gone, finally, I can breastfeed just before I go on. Yes. I think that someday in the future, I will have it again. But I love those moments. I love the, because I do, the mindless kind of, I've always thought there's a hard thing to explain about stand-up, where it doesn't look like you're doing anything and you aren't doing anything, but you are doing something.

26:04Josh Widdicombe:Yes. You're getting your mind ready. I almost powered down in that hour before. Yeah. I think people imagine you pacing, listening to... No, I find I have to get as quiet and empty-headed as possible so that then I can go out and... But that's because your stuff is quite empty-headed. Yeah. You have to get in character. information out of here let's get it all out there so I'm going to engage with the comedy and so have you got an interval yes and would you like is there a chance you'll be breastfeeding in the interval there is a very good chance I'll breastfeed during the interval oh wow and I do think like the first like 20 or so minutes because I find myself when I get on stage now it's like the first time I'm talking to people that are and I'm unattached from a child, you know?

26:59So it's really like the first, like a little bit of my show, I'm like, I'm frazzled and kind of like, wait, okay. Let's calm down. Like even the beginning of this podcast, I feel the same way where I'm just like, this is a conversation with two people. It's two other comics. You can do this. You've done this. So yeah, I think that, you know, I feel a bit, yeah, that's where I'm kind of doing it now

27:28Josh Widdicombe:and then is the baby going to be sorry I'm just no please you finish the show Swindon Wyvern 2.45 minutes so it's about 9.30 baby's asleep hopefully yeah and then you all drive back to London yes and I'll probably I would like I'll assume that the baby will sleep in the car sleep in the car hopefully sleep in the car and then do that awkward carry to the bed Yeah, and I'll probably have to nurse before or as I'm getting into bed. The real key I find is that after a show, and sometimes it doesn't happen and I feel really gross, is that I want to be able to wash my hands and change my clothes. Oh, here we go.

28:13It's basic human, right? Yeah, right. Because you know when you're like touching a microphone and you're just like... Oh, really? Do you have that? I like to get clean after gigging. me and Josh you're preaching to Rob here we've had a lot of discussions about this can I tell Michelle what you do when you go running we're not talking about running I'd love to talk about running are you a runner? yes yeah Josh was actually on the front cover of Runners World I saw that Josh likes to have a shower in the morning doesn't really believe in showering before bed your shower's in the morning so if he did run in the afternoon he may come back from that run and the sweat will dry on him and in the clothes and then that night he'll just take them clothes off and go to bed without having a shower after exercising.

29:03Now see normally I would I feel like I should feel that's weird but my brothers do the same thing. Do they? They're so great. So there's other people with this problem. Yeah. It is a problem. But Rob will shower

29:19Josh Widdicombe:after shower you don't shower after shower He'll change his pants. After a gig, I'll get changed into, like... Completely. So would you strip totally naked after the gig? Well, how else are you going to change your pants? So there's a point when you just... He puts pants on over his pants. I may still have a T-shirt on and do... No, but yeah, I would... You do half at a time. You don't just walk off the stage and strip totally naked. There'll be moments when I am totally naked in that dressing room. But sometimes I might... I'm not rushing to be completely naked, but I might have my top on, do my trousers and pants, and then put new pants on and then but I want to get out of the sweaty clothes I don't need to get changed I I don't need to do it I need to do it when I get to the house yes not not after right after the gig but yeah but if I can if I can like kind of wash wash up and I don't need to shower either but just wash up change my clothes before I have to get the baby into bed the baby there's like a sweet amount of time where it's like okay we get home the baby's still asleep I can wash your hands wash my hands change my pants.

30:21Aren't you lucky? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just sometimes check your privilege, yeah? Change my pants and trousers, sorry. I keep, in America we call pants these pants. Underpants. Underpants, yeah. So, because I hate getting into bed with clothes I've worn outside. Do you know what I think is mad? America gets a lot of grief for that. You call trousers pants, but we call the underpants underpants, but we have got no pants over if we call them trousers. Right. So why are we giving Americans grief for underpants? Right, they're under your pants. Exactly, they should be called under trousers. Well, that's one thing America got right.

30:55Exactly. I'm standing up for America. Let's put it on the board.

31:00Josh Widdicombe:And so, taking the current political situation out of it, which is a big thing to take out of it, but say you imagine that a lot of politics is cyclical, they might change. Do you imagine taking your kids back to America and bring them up American? Yeah, well, I don't know if we'd ever live there again, like live there full time. My brothers live in Phoenix, Arizona. The smelly boys. The what? The smelly boys. The smelly boys, yeah. You don't have to be running in Phoenix, Arizona. They must fucking stink. It's like 40 degrees to desert. Running, never showering. Sounds great. Sounds great. Just a crusty film of sweat.

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33:20There's a version of a tour in America where I can base myself in Phoenix. And, you know, with my brother and his family, you know, kind of do spokes out from Phoenix. But the problem with touring in America is that it's all flights. It's very little driving. So, you can't go up and back. unless you're in a private jet situation. And that's expensive and tiring and brutal.

33:48Josh Widdicombe:Presumably there's going to come a point soon where you're going to have to make a school decision. That's true, yeah. And so we're really trying to make the Europe and UK thing work because it's a much easier commuting situation. Is there a second part of the tour where you're suddenly going to be based in Leeds and then you're going to be doing all that? What we're hoping is that by the time that, say, I will do Leeds is that I'm... We just need to know about Leeds. Yeah, just Leeds. I'm just going to know about Leeds. And that I'll be able to be away from the babies for longer. Oh, so you just leave them in London and it'll be a longer journey or stay overnight.

34:28Exactly, yeah. I mean, the day I can stay overnight. I just, I will, I mean, it sounds like a full-on vacation. So how do you, you know, your partner, he travels as well with work and stuff like that. But like, how do you feel when you see him sort of traveling for work, staying in hotels overnight without the kids? There must be like a bit of jealousy there. And have you ever thought of like the two nannies going with him and the kids? I mean, obviously, at the moment, it's the breastfeeding things that's holding that back. But so how do you how do you manage that sort of jealousy almost? Or split them?

34:58Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe someday. I think I have realized that it is an unfair workload, but there's not really anything you can do about it. You know, because biologically at this moment, I am the primary caregiver and that's just what it is. Yeah. And it's not his fault.

35:24Josh Widdicombe:That's the big thing. That's the thing you got to remember. He can't physically do it. It's not his fault. And that's the thing I have to remind myself of all the time where it's like he's, it's just. It's not like he's got a secret tit around the back full of milk. Right. No. Yeah. I mean, he has a belly button. He does have a belly button. But yeah, it's, and I think I have to remind myself of that all the time. It's, and you know, male friends of mine who have kids, I know I've had conversation with my one friend who he's been like, yeah, my wife, she gets really mad when I get to go out and, and work.

35:56But she has to stay home with the kids and she's jealous. and he's like, I just hate that she gets jealous. And I was like, well, it's, it's, I'm jealous. Like it's very, like I'm jealous of how men and dads can work. But again, for the most part, it's just not, it's biologically the issue. Have you ever toyed with like bottle feeding where if you move them to the bottle, then it gives you more opportunities to share the load? I thought neither of mine are interested in bottles. I was never able to get my toddler on a bottle. My daughter. Yeah, and this one hasn't ever been interested either. But I also haven't tried super hard.

36:43Yeah. And part of the reason is that I'm a very big fan of breastfeeding. It's very, very cool. And I will say this with a large caveat because I know there's a lot of people that can't breastfeed, don't have the time to breastfeed. I just don't want to get yelled at. It's everyone's. It's everyone differently. Exactly. But I love it. And there's a lot of cool things about breastfeeding where the major benefits you get is when the baby actually, like even if you pump, not all that. Essentially what happens when you breastfeed is that there's like all these ducts in your nipple and they absorb the baby's saliva.

37:19And then that tells your body what to put in the milk. Oh, wow. So like if your baby's getting sick, it'll put in antibodies. If your baby needs water, if it's dehydrated, it'll put in more water in your breast milk, more fat, more minerals and vitamins from your own body. If you're happy to do it, then you're happy to do it. Yeah. So that's so there's. Yeah. So I'm essentially making things harder for myself because I just want to.

37:50Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, exactly. Well, that's what most of our lives are, to be honest. We didn't need to start a podcast. Have you ever been in a situation where you've been breastfeeding too close to the show and you've gone, I'm just going to have to go on here?

38:11No, I'm pretty good at, like, they breastfeed enough that it's... You can just go. I can just go, yeah, get off. Yeah, get off now. You've had a go. Is that cluster feeding? Cluster feeding. Well, no, that's... That's a word I heard. Cluster feeding is...

38:25Josh Widdicombe:That's when you start out and they just won't leave you alone. Yeah, it's when they're trying to get more milk. Trying to get your body to make more milk as their cluster feed. I do, what's it called? On-demand feeding. On-demand. Yeah, I'm like a... Like a streamer. A television, yeah. Yeah, I'm HBO Max. Yeah, and so it's just whenever. And that also helps with the scheduling, where it's not like, okay, we eat every two hours. It's like, no, he eats when he's hungry. And that's whenever. Yeah. Well, that's the sort of the amazing thing with stand-up and being self-employed. You've got movement for that, where you can design it around that.

39:02It's great you've done that tour in the South. And then you can go. Well, in a lot of the show, I talk about how lucky I am to breastfeed. Because it is like, there's, and particularly in America, there's no room for it. You need time and space and not even just to not work, to have people around the house to help you. Because when you're on-demand breastfeeding, it's like you spend a lot of your day breastfeeding. Yeah, and so you either learn how to do things with one hand, which we do, but it's really overwhelming. I have a woman, she helps me around the house when I'm at home and that's how I'm able to do as much breastfeeding as I do.

39:47It's really... Your husband does fuck all, doesn't he? He's got no train right here and they've got no keeper. He works all the time. He works all the time. So he's always doing stuff too. And I don't want him to paint him in a bad picture. I'm only joking. He holds the baby, you know? He's seen it.

40:07Josh Widdicombe:He knows which one's itch. The babies fall asleep on him, you know, but it's, you know. It's harder if he's got a job where he travels a lot. There's not much he can do. It's part of the job, you know. Do you do four in the bed then? Yes. Yeah. What's the formation? It's a new baby, me, and then we make a V so that we're better to attack from the midfield. I'm trying to make a football reference. No, it's me, baby, me, toddler, husband. Right, classic. Classic 442. So I wonder what happens when you get the third. If they're all in the bed again, it's like... There's not going to be another baby.

40:53You're done. I can't. It's too... Logistically, it's too complicated. I can't...

40:59Josh Widdicombe:This is our most logistics-based episode we've ever done. It's not normally logistic. Like, I can't... Like the stand-up part of my life, the traveling will have to end if I get one more. Because it's too many people. I will lose money on gigs, you know, based on like... Was there ever a thought about being mainly based in London then? Yeah. You know, because if your husband's there as well, then it's sort of like, it makes it a bit easier you're not going to another place from Barcelona. Oh, yeah. I think ideally we could split our time. And, you know, I mean, that would be the dream. But then also you make all these plans when the kids are this age and then they get like a few years older.

41:46You're like, hang on, why are we here? We don't need, what they need is completely changed now. Exactly. It's like they're going to need to be in school. Yeah. So then, you know. That's a decision, isn't it?

41:56Josh Widdicombe:It's quite cool the thought of having like kids in school in Barcelona, isn't it? Yeah. I mean there's a lot of I don't know Barcelona's a very like let's also be in nature so there's a lot of schools that are like very like outside focused and there's the weather for it there too but it's like you know education but also like you know the beach is there a different ways of parenting in Spain like I'd say Britain and America it feels like the parenting's pretty much same. Does it feel different the way the Spanish parents parent? I think so. They're very I mean it's a it's a very family oriented culture and a lot of times like you know if you're out to dinner at 9 or 10 the kids are there and there's like kids are running around at restaurants.

42:54There's the playgrounds that are right next to the restaurants. It's, you know, it's like a very, the kids are part of it. That does not happen in America. In America, it's like very like, what are you doing? Get out of here. What are you? Don't bring people here, but also keep all the people. Don't get an abortion. Don't get an abortion, but don't bring your babies anywhere. Keep your babies at home. You stay at home. Have them, but don't let them be seen. Yes, yeah. Keep them in a box. and yeah so in Spain it's very like I don't know it feels like everyone's happy to see babies you gotta watch out for your baby in Spain though too because they will touch your baby's face everyone's always like look at that baby you know like it's just they'll fingers I mean before you can even stop it when I was with Spain as a kid with blonde hair they're like so like rub the head and stuff like that they love a blonde baby They love my, I've got curls.

43:56My baby has curls. They will go in for her hair right away. And she's just like, who the fuck? So yeah, it's, I think it'd be nice. I, I also, I haven't really thought, I haven't made plans for their school because I don't know. I don't, I don't know what career wise exactly I'll be doing in two years, you know? So it's one of those things where it's like, I'll get her into a nursery and then, go from there. We'll see. We'll see what it is. I'm not, I can't plan that far in advance. So have you always been that you're not a big planner? Is it all just whatever's gone on? Did you ever see yourself being where did you meet your partner then?

44:36Like in the UK or was it in Spain? We met in America. Yeah. And through mutual friends and then but he was living in Spain at the time. He was just working in America and yeah and it's just you know I'm not a big planner like I'm not a okay I I've got to do this and this you know I'm just kind of like when you

45:00Josh Widdicombe:got the most planned geographical tour of anyone yeah I got the I got the next couple months yeah and then after that no idea no no I maybe hopefully leads is my big my big plans in the future um yeah I don't I'm not I don't even like making like plans with people like that's how anti-plan I am so do you have a network of sort of like friends with young kids in Spain that you hang out with and things like that or is it more just you as a family just us as a family I have a couple once I get her in nursery I feel like that'll expand it's hard to make friends the main sort of other parent friends we had was like once they went to nursery in school before that you can't be like just in the shop going you've got a kid about the same age.

45:48You want to be friends? Yeah, it's very... I also feel it's a bit weird because sometimes I get recognized on the playground. I'm sure that happens to you guys. And then you're like, well, now I don't know. I don't want to be friends with you, maybe. Is it weird?

46:04Josh Widdicombe:I don't like your taste. I'm a bit fan of the comedians you like. I do feel like it can lopsided a relationship from the start. whereas if I'm on holiday if someone comes up to me and goes, oh I'm going to get a photo and I go, yeah right, and have a photo with them but then I feel like any normal chat after that has been slightly compromised whereas actually I sometimes see someone do that and go, oh do you know what if we just started chatting at the bar at dinner then it would have been a much more relaxed normal conversation That was a mistake I made with David Byrne last night at the gig I went up and got a photo with him and our friendship hasn't really kicked on since then Well exactly, but then you might have got closer if you hadn't asked for the photo I know if I hadn't said, you mean everything to me.

46:48Josh Widdicombe:Did you say that to him? I said, I laid it on too thick. Because in the photo, he doesn't look like he's well excited to have it. No. You're craning your neck out. Can you show Michelle the photo? He met one of his top life idols in the bracket of Johnny Marr, Paul McCartney and David Byrne. Yeah, David Byrne from Talking Heads last night. Yeah, I mean. Have you got the photo? Yeah, there. Josh is craning in. You look so happy. I was. What's David look like? You've got to remember that's kind of David Byrne's thing, isn't it? He's quite kind of... He's not that animated. I would say he has a little smile.

47:25He looks like... More of a smile than I would... It looks like a fucking waxwork. He's 72. He's got a purse little lip there. Yeah, I feel like that's a David Byrne smile. He's 72. He looks incredible. He looks like me before my teeth got taken out. but you should tell people that you love them because I had the chance to meet Carol Burnett and say like because I love her Carol Burnett she had the Carol Burnett show in America when you said that I thought of Carol Baskin

47:57Josh Widdicombe:that's the first thing that went in my head I went fucking what? tell them what you think I think you're a murderer wait that's the Tiger King I know that's why I was like god what a weird one sorry Carol Burnett I love it I love someone who gets away with a murder. I mean, it's... It was locked down. I was a bit emotional. I wanted to love it. Sorry, just count for that. She's... Yeah, I love her. She did the sketch show in the 70s. And I had a chance to meet her when I was working at Late Night with Seth Meyers. And I was... I didn't. Because I was like, I'm going to make a fool of myself. Like, I'm going to go, I love you so much.

48:33No, you've got to. And then ever since then, I've been like, I should have just told her, I love you so much. Yeah. and that would have been that's a lovely thing to say that's a lovely thing to say it's a lovely thing to hear and I just didn't oh next time maybe Burns yeah hopefully there's a next

48:48Josh Widdicombe:Burns cycling around London today going I really meant a lot to that guy he had personal lips I'll take it back I think he's into you yeah it was kind of a cute smile he was with Brian Eno he was wasn't he wait who's Brian Eno Brian Eno was in Roxy Music but then he went on to produce all the Talking Heads and David Bowie albums I was going to pretend like I knew him He's a big deal But I kind of just wanted Byrne really Oh you got one with him as well? I didn't get one with Eno I got one with the guy from Hot Chip as well I was a bit pathetic You was really on one weren't you? What was this gig you were doing?

49:26Josh Widdicombe:David Byrne I went to watch David Byrne So how did you meet him? I got after show Access Who else was there then? but you didn't get a photo of? Cumberbatch. Benedict Cumberbatch? Yeah. You didn't want a photo of him? No, I didn't really do photos. Was he Doctor Who for a bit? No, that's... Sherlock Holmes. She was Sherlock Holmes. He was a Marvel guy. Alan Turing was in the Marvel movies. Alan Turing was in Marvel? No, he was Alan Turing. Oh, he was Alan Turing and he was in Marvel. Yeah. No, was he Alan Turing? That's an Avenger. No, he was Doctor... Doctor Strange. Yes. Yeah. Which is just the name of the Doctor.

50:06Like, that's his last name. Doctor Strange. It's not his, like...

50:09Josh Widdicombe:Thing. Yeah, he's like Tom Strange or something. It's not like Batman. No. Doctor Strange. It's a terrible name, isn't it? Yeah. And he's got a weird little moustache. I've never watched a Marvel movie. If his name was like, I don't know, like, Cranston, he would be... The whole series would be called Doctor Cranston, you know? Yeah. Like, it's not... But it is a fictional character. They did have... Anyone else? Who else was there? Stella McCartney. Yeah. She's your route to Paul. I know, but he wasn't there. Ayoade and Buxton were there together, but they didn't make the after party. No.

50:50Josh Widdicombe:What was it like working on those late light American shows? You just worked on Seth Meyers. Yeah, worked on Seth Meyers and The Daily Show. Writing or producing? Yeah, writing. And it was great. It was, I mean, it's a, it's a very, because it's every day. Yeah. It's, you know, everything seems important during the day. It's like an office job in a weird way. Yeah. We all, all the writers for Seth, we'd all sit in like one room and we had like kind of cubicles almost. And then Daily Show, we had more offices that you would share with one or two other people. But it was, during the day, it feels like everything's very important.

51:28and then at like 5.30 you tape the show and all of it's gone. So it's like, you know, like it's very important and then it's just now tomorrow. Is it fun or you just sat there going, fuck, you know, I got into this to do 20 minutes of work a night and I'm crafting it. Some of it's, sometimes it's very fun and then other times it is work. But that's where I learned to write jokes no matter what. Like if you're in a good mood or a bad mood, you know, it's like, no, you just got to write, you have a deadline. I don't know if you feel like on The Last Lake where it's if, you know, by Friday you're, you know.

52:01Josh Widdicombe:But we've got a longer time, I think. Do you know what I mean? Like, that must be grueling to go. And so we go again at 9 a.m. tomorrow? Yeah, and when I was on Seth, I was also doing stand-up at night too. So I would do, we'd get into the office at 9. We'd work all day, tape the show at 5.30. Do you have to be at the tape or can you just go? Yeah, I was a writer and producer, so I had to like, you know, oversee some of the stuff on the show and then go to the edit. But then I would do gigs at the Comedy Cellar at night. Wow. And it was when I was new to the Comedy Cellar, so I was getting booked at like the later shows.

52:41So the spots would be like 11.30, 11.45. And back in. And yeah, so I was, I mean, I would get home at one or two and then, you know. Back in again.

52:53Josh Widdicombe:Some bit of breastfeeding in Swindon feels like a walk in the park. Yeah, I mean, there's... Piece of pisses. You've been on the fucking six-day stretch of mine. I'm getting touched a lot more than I was back then, but... You should have worked to British TV at the time. You have a belly bar on a bit left of mine. Call the gyms in there. When you see the people working on SNL UK, does it bring it back? Have you been following that? Well, when I was at Les Legs last week, we went into the studio. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we went into the studio to see. Did you do anything to do SNL? I didn't, but Seth's studio is 8G and SNL is 8H.

53:40And so it shares like a hallway and we shared the same hair and makeup people. And so we're in, we're kind of, we're all in the kind of same production space.

53:50Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. And I love SNL. And so I always thought it was really cool to see how all that got made while we were also making our show. And then I was really excited to see the SNL studio here. And it looks the same. Oh, really? It really, yeah. It's weird because over in the UK, it wasn't really on our telly in our consciousness the same way. Not many people know it exists in the UK in the same way. Right. That's what I didn't realize. I mean, I feel like that's quite an American trait. No, because there's loads of American influence over here. So there's loads of huge, massive shows that everyone's across and into.

54:32But that one never really made the trip over, did it, that one? No. Sketch is hard, too. Sketch is not a... The Fars show and Harry Enfield, they were amazing and very, very British. Yeah. So the SNL was so American. so it'll be interesting to see it have a British spin. Yeah, I hope it does well. I think it's great. I don't know, I just think more comedy is always good for comedy. Final question is, what's one thing your partner does parenting-wise where you go, oh my God, he's amazing, I'm so lucky to have him as a father and my kids, and what's one thing he does if he was listening that annoys you slightly about his parenting that if he was listening he'd go, yeah, she's probably got a point?

55:12The thing he does that he's so calm, He is so incredibly calm, like that no matter what the kids are doing, he is doesn't raise his voice. He doesn't. He's just like very like, no, let's. I'm not that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like that is all the time. Just very gently. Please. No more belly button. He's so and it's just really lovely. He treats them like so nice. He's very nice to them. And one thing that annoys me, oh, like sometimes, like we have one of those little toddler potties. Oh, yeah. And that's what I use, but also my toddler. No, he'll take it to empty it, and then he'll forget to bring it back.

56:09Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the kind of minor annoyance we're looking for. Yeah, and that's, it's, I don't notice it sometimes until she has to go again. And then I'm rushing, normally holding another baby to find it. And then that's when I'm like, just put the potty back. Michelle, thank you so much for being brilliant. Good luck with the tour. Best job in the world. Thank you. Starting in Swindon, finishing in a... It covers all of the South. Yeah, all of the South. But if you're in the north and you're not fancying that she'll do another leg for the north, Coventry's your one. Yeah. I think you will put in more, won't you?

56:47Yeah, I'll do more. I mean, I'm really, as soon as I can get away from the kids.

56:52Josh Widdicombe:Normally, you'll get like, why aren't you coming to Wales? Very rarely is it. Why aren't you coming north of Birmingham? Yeah. But we've got a very good reason why. Thanks, Michelle. Cheers. Thanks, guys.

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