S12 EP33: Matt Morsia

18:48Josh Widdicombe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, 100%. Especially when it's anything that involves what could be a long-winded conversation, I can just end it abruptly because it's my character. So I'm doing my job. Yeah.

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19:34Josh Widdicombe:How did the character of legend come about? Did they say, we want this character from you? Or did you pitch it? Or did it just kind of evolve? They approached me when it hadn't even been commissioned yet. It was like, we actually, they approached me and they were like, look, we, we want to make this show, right? I had to sign an NDA because it was like at that point it hadn't been it wasn't out in the public that they were doing that and they didn't they called it I forget but it was something like I forget the name of it but it wasn't Gladiators and I read it and I was like this sounds a lot like Gladiators so they were lying or they didn't have the name yet at that point they were trying to keep it under wraps because if they approached multiple people they wanted to get out because I think there was a thing about BBC ITV and whatever they were doing and they were trying to keep it under wraps so at that point it was like a bit of secret so I was like well this is definitely Gladiators but it wasn't called that But they, from day one, they knew...

20:26So you had the original Gladiators, right? Which was like amazing, best thing ever, right? Then they tried, you remember when they redid it, the Skyline 2000s? That was dog shit, really. I don't remember that. They were wearing silver clothes in a studio, water, which was weird, didn't work. But on that show, a lot of the guys tried to do the wolf thing. They were all trying to be quite angry. Yeah. I think that's part of the reason why it didn't really work. So this reboot, they've just done it. They haven't tried to mess with it. It's just so similar to the original.

20:50Josh Widdicombe:Yeah. But the Gladiators, most of the Gladiators a like big friendly giant you mean big do the games but they shake the contenders hands they say nice things they're good sportsmen they wanted like one person just to be a prick basically yeah and they were like we want you to be the dick they're like you know they said they said look it's up to you how hard you want to go with it but that's the angle when i was like oh i mean like but you do it in a funny way you're not doing it because obviously you've got viper who is the way i see it he's like viper is the bad guy for kids and i'm the bad guy for adults that's the way i see it do you mean he's a bad guy you're you're like funny with it i think i think series one it was more i think a lot of people didn't get it now at this point everyone kind of realizes i'm taking the piss yeah yeah it's not a character is it that's just you that's turned up to i hate this person that's the funny thing is like that's what my mates say is like because people say oh you know oh what's he like in real life and they're like oh it's actually maybe slightly worse i feel For me, it's almost like me being Matt, I'm toning it down.

21:54The legend, I can just do... You know your intrusive thoughts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can just, within reason, just do that. Yeah, yeah. So the way, maybe legend is the real you. Maybe, yeah. And that's the version you found? Do you ever do it to kids? Yeah, all the time. Yeah, yeah. That's even better. That's my favourite kind of angle to do is when it sounds like you're going to say something nice. Do you know what I mean? You start off with your chat and it's like you're going to say something nice and then you just completely turn it around just slap people in the face you see people's faces you know they're like oh yeah they really get on board with what you're saying and it's like actually your shit do you mean i'm better than you and it's like i love that have you ever gone too far and it's you've as you said it gone oh i think i might have just pushed that it's been so i'm like if i'm gonna say something that i think is good i'll just run it by the production team now they're to be honest they're amazing they we're on a similar wavelength and like generally speaking everything they'll be like egging me on to like yeah yeah do it do it do it occasionally i was They're like, probably can't say that.

22:48More just because it's BBC and you've got to, do you know what I mean? Even though it's like, it's fine. You just, I don't know, you just know people are gonna, people just like to complain about things, don't they? There have always been complaints about certain things. People will find anything to complain about, but like, it's just, I don't know, I guess you've got to tread the line. Do the kids tell you off when they see you being legend or they're just aware of each of you at work messing about? My kids. Yeah, your kids. That was out of order. That was hard at first. Like, so Luca, he's my nine year old, right?

23:13So when he was, when we started, he was seven, I guess. and obviously he's come to what the first time he's seen it is in real life as it's been filmed it's not on TV yet so series one he's come my wife my wife comes to every single one right every record she's an absolute monster everyone everyone nine hours 12 out of 14 days like every day absolute warrior she brings them some other times you'll come by just because like we we're like a team we work together for years on social media she's like my sounding board so she's so helpful like she because and there's not a hanging around time she's not in the stands the whole time No, she'll be out of that.

23:43But you think if you don't come to that record, a lot of it you won't see because stuff gets edited out. So you see that stuff, A, it's cool to do it, but also it's useful for me. We'll chat about it after the record. So that's really helpful. So my eldest, so they're at the record. Obviously, I do my thing and everyone boos me. You've got 5 ,000 people boo me. And obviously, I'm loving that and I'm inviting that. But for him, it's hard at first to explain. It's all right. They're meant to do that. That's a good thing almost. He's like, why is everyone booing me? five has been booing my dad you mean yeah but now that I now that he understands it it's fine but also almost always so people like now people would cheer I'm like oh actually I'd rather you booed you mean doesn't like times I'll do a bit which is slagging the audience off but they'll laugh and cheer I'm like I actually would rather you boo because it kind of makes it funnier yeah yeah so now so it's not so like not so much it's intense my kids when we they watch me doing it were getting really upset and worried for me because obviously it's only a bit fun and like, you know, you're going against it but no one's actually really hurting each other.

24:45Like, people are going for it but it's not, you know, you've got padding on and cushions. But when you, I was out there for so long, what's the one with the massive cotton buds called again? Jewel. That's against you, right? Yeah, I was out there for ages. And you failed to knock him off. What do you mean? No, I didn't, I did knock him off. I nearly caught you early on though. I caught you a good one early on.

25:00Josh Widdicombe:I thought you got through it. No, so basically, I went onto my knees for ages. Josh, at one point, he was on his hands and knees whilst I was pummeling his butt cheeks with a bugle stick. Do you know what? On that, by the way, the Celeb one is a very, it's really fun, but it's a very weird dynamic. Yeah. Because like, I mean, you actually, you were surprisingly good at Joel, right? But it's like, because you... It's kind of similar. Imagine you're Arsenal, right? And you're playing a pre-season friendly against like a, not a shit team, but a low level team, right? you are inevitably going to be complacent, aren't you?

25:34Because you're like, in your head, you know you'll win. Every stage is a stage, shouldn't it? Okay, but anyway, you go into that duel, right? And it's like, I'm not just going to absolutely pummel you because that's A, a bit weird. No, it's not good TV. And you need it to last for a while. But then you end up like, it can bite you. It can kind of, do you know what I mean? You end up, you're like, oh shit, actually. Because I think I confused you at the start because I said, am I holding it the right way? You went, what? And then you went, let's go. And then you went, what? And I hit you once and then you battered me.

26:00but I did your face it's a weird vibe because you very it's very easy to get yeah do you know what I mean when you're just relaxed having a laugh you're like actually dual's one of the games where you can just fall do you know what I mean you could just fall off like I've won loads of duals but almost every time it'll be so embarrassing for you as well because it's like a small podium a little bit but it's like a night so for me I need to have like a big I thrive in like big crowds big intense high stakes I mean that's what I love so like that feeling so for example series Series two, there was a contender who was really fast on the wall.

26:34We've never had a contender that fast. And on the wall, they get a head start. So if you're quick on the wall, you should never get caught. It's only a 10-meter wall. So if you're fast, they're gone. And we did the wall a couple of times, and he beat me both times. And then in the final, we changed it to a race. So me and him had a race. And that was my idea. And so I'm thinking, if I lose it now, I've suggested this. I've said about how he's lucky because he's had a head start, and I'm betting him. It's the final, right? and he's been giving me so much stick. If I lose this race, do you know what I mean?

27:03That is, that's a low point for me. So I beat, I'm fucking destroying him. But that's like, that was a lot of pressure. But that feeling, I love that feeling. That like jeopardy, where it's like, this could be the worst thing ever. It could be the best thing ever. Because with the celebs, it is difficult because the, you can't win. You can't win really. And also for the celebrities, you get there, you don't get a proper training where the actual contestants get a full weekend where they have a go at everything and they practice, practice, practice. And they are, you know, a certain level of fitness anyway where the celebrities are fitting it in between God knows what.

27:32You're not going to have done months of preparation doing your rock up and you do it. Yeah, that is hard. And it's hard for you as well because you have to balance that like how hard you go in and stuff. I think as well for me but for me I think it's different for me because the weird so I love the games, right? And I'm like I'm still like a sports person I love doing sport and I consider myself I want to be competitive and be really good at the games, right? But realistically I can lose it doesn't really matter my character is like it's more than that do you know what I mean? some of the other guys their thing is they're good at a certain game or the games that do you know so that's they especially they're better now but series when they came into it as like I'm an athlete you mean and yeah a little bit of it's like actually guys you've got to realize this is a TV show do you mean so actually well is there part of it if I keep getting beaten I'm gonna get dropped from the gladiators so that's the that's what I mean so for some of the guys there they've got to win the games because that's what they're bringing to the table do you mean for me there's been times where like it's quite funny if lose in your rugby league.

28:26That's what I mean. There's been times where I've gone on a little run, say three, four, five days where I win every game and it's like I'm running out of things I need to lose because it gives you funny excuses. Do you know what I mean? I kind of need a bit of both and people want, people love seeing me lose so you kind of need that as well to make it a spectacle. It took me ages to get my head around that because I'm like, I want to win every time. Yeah, because you're an entertainer and an athlete, not just purely. If you just win, it kind of doesn't always work. You need that losing angle to make it funny for the other bits of chat.

28:54Well, you do, you notice that, you know, it's weird because you're sort of, on Gladiens, you're still at the top of your game fitness-wise, whereas when you work with athletes in TV where it's all just entertainment now and they're on like a panel show or something. I remember doing a panel show once with Frank Lampard where the question was like, who's like Chelsea's top scorer in that league? And he just went, DJ Drogba! And there was just no time for banter because he just wants to get the point, you know, and stuff like that. So it's like a bit of a balance. Especially the Celeb Special is exactly that.

29:23You need to... There's no point just destroying someone in three seconds or Powerball pinning someone down and keeping it... You need to make it into a game. But when I won the duel, I actually won the duel, which was quite impressive on the night. They were so annoyed. Wait, wait, wait, the Eliminator. Not the duel, yeah, Eliminator, sorry. Not the duel. I beat you on the duel. Can we just get that out there now, please?

29:40Josh Widdicombe:The Eliminator, did you? The Gauntlet. Gauntlet. Oh, Gauntlet, sorry, Gauntlet. You got through Gauntlet, yeah. I got through Gauntlet and then I was giving them loads of pelters and it's really embarrassing if the little chubby comedian gets through you on the corner. When Joel went in after me, bless him, they absolutely destroyed him. Because they basically went, it was like going 1-0 down to like a League One team and then in the second half going like bring on Ireland and they just, he got absolutely smashed. Yeah, but you were good though. Rob was good. He was like, you're a good contender in the sense that the dream contender, we had a couple of guys that we had a guy called Joe with his big beard.

30:13He was a driving instructor and he looked like like an average guy but he was actually good and that's what you want. The whole point of Gladiators is you have the contrast, David Goliath, you have the normal contender who's like the average guy from the pub and the massive Jack Gladiator. They need to be good to make it a spectacle but that's what you want. You don't want someone - Just two ripped guys banging into each other. Yeah, it's like who wants to see that. That's what Gladiators is, do you know what I mean? So that works perfectly. So you were good in that regard because you looked fairly normal but you were actually good at the games.

30:43You're not shit.

30:44Josh Widdicombe:In Gladiators, this is a question for parents. I've watched a lot of, not through my own choice, Nitro's pranks show. Yeah. Epic pranks. Epic pranks. Epic pranks, yeah. Do you know... Not really, they're just mediocre pranks. Here's my question. Do you know you're being pranks? No, absolutely not, though. Everything is a complete shock. Is it? If you had to guess the answer to that, what would your guess be? that I believe everything I see on TV. What I'll tell you is, the show is made for kids. And kids aren't very perceptive, so... Well, when I did League of Their Own, I had to sit in a room and pretend I didn't see Mika Richards stealing one of my shoes.

31:26But that's harder, because you're doing that for an adult audience. You were going to see that stuff. What do you mean? Well, they were like... Why did they cancel that show? They were like, someone said, I saw Mika Richards coming with a crew. I was like, yeah, Rob, how's it going? You good? And I was like, yeah. and then he's like cool like that and he went can I get a drink I went yeah right so I got a drink and I looked round and he literally just get in one of my shoes and puts it up his jumper he's just sat there with it up his jumper and he goes cheers mate bye and then walks out and you can hear him laugh in the corridor and then I was like is that okay is that what you want because I can't just go why is my shoe and then on the show they were like Rob I'd like to watch a video of him stealing my shoe and I was like oh no he got my shoe cheeky meek

32:07Josh Widdicombe:your kids yeah are you turning them into competitors? So obviously it's hard isn't it because to be a top athlete you've got so for example you look at like gymnasts they're doing gymnastics five days a week at the age of like four now if you want to be an athlete you've got to do that but obviously I feel like it's a bit of a weird I have mates that are top gymnasts that are like they're weird now because they've had a weird sheltered All the top athletes are weird because they've focused everything on that I think more so in some sports do you know what I mean I feel like some sports Let's do a top three what are the weirdest sports people oh it'd be stuff like you know what's that weird like the modern pentathlon where it's like cross country skiing and you're shooting a target or something and then you're riding a goat or something isn't it like golf or tennis when you were alone yeah and you've just got your own like Tiger Woods yeah Michael Jordan was nuts but I think they all are quite intense I think I think yeah I think things like I said like gymnastics you've got to specialise like from an early age because yeah your life is getting up at 5am and going to see you're a weird intense coach.

33:08And also as a kid, you've just lived this weird sheltered childhood. So obviously my kids, I'll encourage them to do, they play sport and they're really into it and I'll do whatever they want to do. But I wouldn't like push them to do, do you know what I mean? I think you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket because you get people that as a kid, they're a top gymnast, for example, they win all these competitions. Then they get to 14, hit puberty and it all goes downhill. They then spend their life thinking they're a failure. So I think it's good to broaden your horizons a bit. So my boys will play football, but they also do tennis and other things.

33:40I think it's good just to, A, for enjoyment, so you don't just get to 14, you're burnt out, but also just to give you different options.

33:47Josh Widdicombe:So some people might not know you beyond being a gladiator, but you were huge on YouTube before that. What would you describe yourself as? A fitness influencer? That's a horrible term, isn't it? The connotation is so bad, but influencer-like. So I think we're social media experts. So I'm a YouTuber. YouTube, that's the thing. Social media is like a blanket term, but YouTube is so different to other platforms, right? You can be an Instagrammer, like, what are you doing? Putting some pictures on. Oh, well done. Do you know what I mean? It takes five seconds. YouTube is like, it's like TV. You are.

34:21You're making it. I've done YouTube for 13 years, right? So I spent five years basically doing it as a full-time job whilst being a teacher to build my channel and made no money from it. YouTube is a grind. You get the old person that gets a lucky break. It's like being a comedian on the circuit. You learn your strengths, you learn a skill, and then you can... And it's rough. And it's like one in a million people make it, right? Because it's just, why would you... I'm teaching. I've got kids. I've got a mortgage. I've got a house. And I'm trying to film little vlogs in Waitrose. Like, what am I doing?

34:51Do you know what I mean? It's just a weird thing to do. Do you know what I mean? Also, whilst being a teacher, which is the worst combo ever, vlogging whilst being a teacher is like, you can't really do that. Do you know what I mean?

35:00Josh Widdicombe:Sir, I've seen your videos and that views shit. yeah so like most people just don't do that because you're like it's awkward it's embarrassing do you know what I mean but I for some reason persevered so I yeah I have always been a YouTuber that's my thing and that yeah and you've got your book yeah Fitness Unlocked Fitness Unlocked pre-order it now pre-order it now guys pre-order it now yeah all good bookshops you guys would like you should get it right I mean this doesn't exist but you should get it because basically right anyone any person buys the book I will tell you exactly what to do to get in good shape really and maintain it.

35:33I think the thing is, it's like, I've done a book previously, there are so many misconceptions in both in terms of like fitness training, but also diet. People are led to believe that it's so complex and like you have to follow this ridiculously convoluted series of exercises or food consumption and it's just bullshit. Like it's just so, it's not easy, but it's so simple. Do you know what I mean? The underlying principles of getting in shape and eating what you should eat are fucking mind-numbingly simple. What ages could kids start working out? There's this taboo around kids lifting weights or exercising.

36:12Now, obviously, if you get a 12-year-old kid and you get them doing heavy squats and deadlifts, don't do that. Of course, you're going to impede their growth and their risk of injury is higher, right? Because their joints are not formed. Do you know what I mean? So my nine-year-old, we've got Jim in the garden, he'll come and train with me. Now, a couple of times a week, he'll come down and do some pull-ups and some press-ups and maybe knock about with a few little dumbbells. That is a great thing to do, right? You're not impeding growth, you're encouraging growth. His bone density will be higher, his joints will, because when your body is laying down the foundations for how your physique's gonna be, if you give it no stimulus, it's gonna, you know, your growth potential, right?

36:52You're like, this is the best you could ever be, this is the least you could ever be. What you do activity-wise is what influences that. Do you know what I mean? So you can only ever look so good based on your parents, right? Yeah. And you can only ever look so bad based on your parents. That's why you get two guys that eat the same way, one of them's fat and one of them looks alright. Do you know what I mean? So where do you reckon I could get to? I don't know enough about you mate, but you could... Top off. Get your shit off right now. How old are you Josh? How old are you? I'm 42. 42, good age.

37:22That's actually quite... How do you train? Show us your muscle they are. It's actually quite impressive. I do train, yeah. Go on. He's not playing around. Do that again. Face me again. Do that again. Yeah, tuck your thumb in because it makes your hand look smaller. It gives the illusion of a bigger arm. And then just do it a bit more. Elbow a bit higher. That's actually quite... That's a solid bicep, mate. That's a great little tip. Look at that.

37:46Josh, any parent out there knows they're just winging it.

37:49Josh Widdicombe:Rob, I am hanging on by my fingertips. I'm basically improvising from one day to the next. But do you know what helps? is you've got like a network of family and friends. Yes. And I'd consider you one of them. A family member. Nearly. Family, friends and colleagues. Do you know what? I wouldn't consider you either. But you've got this network, right? But I'm a laugh. You're a laugh. I'm a good laugh. Good to be around. Exactly. You wouldn't call me in a crisis, but you'd come to me for a laugh. Exactly. I do call you in a crisis. Actually, yeah, both call each other. They're free, those texts.

38:20Josh Widdicombe:You've got this network of friends and family. And do you know who does know that? Tesco Mobile. Because Tesco Mobile are your second most important network. That's why, Josh, they're bringing you this little segment, the safety net. Talk to me. This is where we talk about the phone calls, the text messages, all those little things that come in through your phone that keep things running smoothly. Or kind of smoothly. As smoothly as they can be. Hey, life's not something that's really smooth. Curling rink. Something a little less obtuse, something a bit more normal. What's smooth? Laminate floor.

38:56Life's not laminate flooring all the time. Sometimes it's a bloody textured rug. Exactly. Do you know what I love about textured rug? Warmer. Yeah, but that doesn't really help the analogy. No. But they are. But it's just the rough with the smooth.

39:10Josh Widdicombe:I'm going to give you an example I couldn't live without. Go on. Texts to other parents in my daughter's class saying, is it netball today? Yes. Because I don't know where this information is. And it comes at the right time. If I send that, someone's going to reply, I'm going to solve the situation. Do you know what I love? These little angels of the school, which some people call parents too busy for their own good. But I like to call them angels. They'll say, hi guys, just to remind everyone, but today is whatever the day is. World Book Day. Yeah. Also, I love, do you know what I love? Yeah.

39:45I get a little text, in a group text, and they say, who's up for dad's football Sunday night? Here he is. And I go, do you know what? I've had a busy week. I'm stressed

39:54Josh Widdicombe:you literally got one of them before this exactly and I was like oh should I play on Sunday or not I don't know because I've got the kids and I was like do you know what I need this little break in my life to go I want to go and huff and puff and get all sweaty next to a load of other 40 year old men exactly and do you know what here's another one I've got a friend who's a doctor I just send her every rash my kids got I feel good for it how about this one Rob a situation where there's a parent that's been through stuff and you know they've been through it and you're going through it and it's very helpful to have these people at different stages of parenting that you can text and go, we're having some problems because we're moving to a next school up.

40:31Josh Widdicombe:How did you deal with that? Did you get a tutor in for 11 plus? Yeah, exactly. That kind of stuff. Honestly, having these people at the touch of a button is a great gift because parenting can feel very lonely. It can feel very lonely. Or the press of a screen. The press of a screen is 2026. Why not? Why not? Having them is genuinely, having that network of friends and family that you build up over the years is so important for parenting. Exactly. And that's what Tesco Mobile's all about, Josh. They're your second most important network. Tesco Mobile. It pays to be connected. Search why Tesco Mobile to find out more.

41:10So food, right? Everyone sort of says food's the most important thing. With your kids, are you, how strict are you with their food? Because you know what fuels up, but when they're kids, does it don't matter as much? Very similar to the exercise thing. so many misconceptions around diet. Like, straight away, right, if you label foods as being good and bad, that is a one-way ticket to an eating disorder. For example, an apple. An apple is good, isn't it? Apple is great, right? If I eat 500 apples, I will die. Do you know what I mean? So therefore, how can that be a good food if it will kill me?

41:44Do you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. It can't be. Without context, no food is good or bad, right? Yeah. A pizza is bad, right? But I could eat, I do eat, you could eat a pizza a day and be perfectly healthy. It's context, it's the wider, where that sits, where the pizza sits in your diet. If you eat pizza three times a day every day, that then becomes bad. Do you know what I mean? It's moderation. So just eat in moderation. If you like chocolate, eat chocolate. Just don't eat loads of it every day. So if I bought this book, so is this book like a step-by-step guide? Literally. So like, I'm sort of like, I'd quite like to be, lose a little bit of fat, get a bit faster, a bit stronger, I'm going to have a bit more muscle definition, right?

42:19And I'm 40 now. That's literally it, mate. It is a step-by-step guide. You open a book and it will say, you know, what is your goal? My goal is this. Here is your training plan. This is exactly physically what you do step by step. And what's the guarantee? If I stick to this, how long? He's not going to stick to it. Hey, I've committed to Steve Cram. I've been doing the couch. Do you know what you can also do? You can also get the Morsier app. It's even cheaper. Oh, here we go. That's my app. The Morsier app. That's like a more practical. It's on a phone. You've got a map, 10 discount code. The combination of both.

42:49I'll sort you out, mate. The combination of both. You get the app and the book. The book tells you exactly what to do. And you've got it with your physical. Yeah, obviously you don't carry a book into the gym. You could, but it's a bit weird, isn't it? The combination of both is the dream scenario. But I will tell you exactly what to do, and the key thing is how to maintain it. Because what people do is, and it's human nature, it's understandable, right? You want to do it now. You're like, right, I want to do this mad transformation. I'm going to transform the way I look, right? And I'm going to do it for two months, then I'm done.

43:14Tick it off. so my whole thing is maintain it forever do you know what I mean yes you want to do it's good to do things quickly it's good to be impatient and get stuff done but doing it with the longer term in mind because for example you know get people doing these horrendous weight watchers diets oh that's 75 hard and all that kind of stuff but you know you do like these it's like you're on a milkshake a day and you're eating 700 calories if you eat 700 calories a day obviously you're going to lose weight of course you are I've got a diet if you eat four packs of Watsits you're going to lose weight because it's not enough calories, right?

43:46Is that once a day? Yeah. You will lose weight, but then the problem is your metabolism is adaptive. So if you eat 700 calories a day, you lose weight. After a month or so, your metabolism adapts to 700 calories because otherwise you die, right? You have to adapt otherwise you just become skinny and you die. So at that point, a month down the line, 700 calories is now your baseline. That's how you maintain your weight. What are you doing now? Do you know what I mean? You go back to a normal diet, You're going to balloon. Quite cheap forever though, isn't it? Four packs of Watson's a day. I'll probably buy six and then let the other two spill over into the next day.

44:21But that's what people do. They do that. So then you put yourself... I've had so many clients that have done that. They do years of horrendous restrictive diets and then their metabolism is absolutely fucked. And then you can never lose weight. Your body doesn't know what's going on. Yeah, you can't eat any amount of food and you gain weight. And it's the same with exercise. You say, right, I want to get in great shape. So I'm going to go from never having trained to training seven days a week for two hours a day, you'll make, you'll get great results. But after three months, how do you then progress?

44:50Because you're already training seven days a week. So with all these things, it's about taking, doing, it sounds weird, but make progress on the least amount of volume possible. Do you know what I mean? If you can get better training two days a week, do that. And then when that gets not enough, then build it up. Do you know what I mean? But don't make a massive jump because down the line, you're going to be, you're going to hit a wall. It's basically something you need to be doing forever. and you need to be able to manage that into your week. If you are doing something, training and diet-wise, and you're like, oh, you're desperately, you're ticking off days and you're hanging in there by the skin of your teeth, that's not sustainable.

45:23If you can't see yourself doing it forever, don't bother doing it. Because at some point, you're going to fall off the wagon and revert to how you were and you've wasted your time. Do you know what? I'm just going to not bother doing it. No, I'm joking. I thought that was an option. No, I'm joking. Your training and diet can be sustainable and enjoyable and it might be hard at first but then once you get that bedded in it's easy and you maintain it forever. I was going to say because I've got a bit of a over what's the word overcompensating so if I'm doing something I'll tell myself oh you're not you'll stand up it's not really good at the moment and then I would go out and try and gig seven days a week and then actually it was too much because I didn't have time to probably think about it and I was just doing it to make myself feel better.

46:04So with training I'm going away for two weeks filming and in my head I can go to the gym every day but actually I'd be better served getting something that I could carry on long term after rather than hammering it for a week on. It's human nature especially now everyone wants it now and that's good in a way to have that but you've got to also think what's the long term plan because the long term plan is I don't want to die when I'm 60 I want to be healthy when I'm older I want to play with my kids and all that shit so that's having a longer term plan so it's like maybe reigning in it a little bit now but then you build up and you have more scope for progression because otherwise you're just going to hit a wall where you're running you go for a run every day that's great but then in a month's time when that is then now your baseline how do you progress that you can't do you mean spring is in the air which means now is the time to save during spring outdoor power deals at the home depot make cleanup easier when you go cordless with a milwaukee m18 string trimmer designed to deliver more runtime more speed and maximum performance then grab a select milwaukee fuel attachment like the pole saw edger or brush cutter included at no extra cost when you buy the Milwaukee M18 String Trimmer.

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47:51Josh Widdicombe:This has been the most inspiring interview We've done Let's go Glad to hear it I'm going to get so jacked How would you feel if I actually got more jacked than you I'd love it man Do you know what I'm very competitive So on the one hand I enjoy being the best and I want to be the best, but I also love when people get stuff and do stuff. How about if you saw me and I was more jacked than you, but I used someone else's app? It's impossible. It can't be done. It's an unrealistic question. It would never have happened. Yeah, it's quite that. But do you know what I mean? I used to work in a school, yeah?

48:22And a school is, any public sector job, it's rife with people that are just bitter. And if someone does what they can't do, they complain. But when I, before I left school, I had a period where my YouTube was doing quite well and I was having days off school to go and do stuff and people would complain you're like what are you doing mate you're an absolute loser do you know what I mean if someone say again what did you teach what do you think I taught secondary PE yeah I say that I taught science like my like I taught in academy right so I was teaching like I'll be thrown in teaching I did like bottom set year eight science mate a comprehensive secondary school teaching bottom set year eight science that's tough mate yeah yeah no bunsen Bunsen burners, perfect.

49:03So we did a module. They've all got their own liars. We did a module on Bunsen burners. No Bunsen burners. Do you know what I mean? Hi kids, say we're going to look at a picture of Bunsen. What happened last time? Also doing like, we did like, after you do athletics, like again, bottom set, year eight, you've got 25, 11 year olds that have rough households and rough mates. They've all got a javelin, they're out on a field like that. If you can teach that mate. If you can teach that, yeah, you're good. Final question, Matt. We asked everyone this, what is it your partner does parenting wise? it's amazing you look at her and go oh my god i'm so lucky to have you as a parent for my kids and what's the one thing she does if she was listening now annoys you a bit and she'd go yeah he's got a point there we're talking only parenting or just just parented or you can go you can just go in on a character if you want okay okay so in terms of things she does like good things like things that i love i mean mate she's she i genuinely believe she's the best mum in existence she's

49:53Josh Widdicombe:she's unreal everything's a competition with you and she is she's objectively she is like i said like her Mother Teresa yeah she's a good mother she makes her look like a piece of shit she's honestly she like her level of like just she just I don't know like she's just so selfless like she will do do you know what I mean to the point I'm like give it a rest mate do you know what I mean like you know like all the I'm good I care I do stuff but it's like you know all the reading and the homework and the all the stuff she cares so much do you know what I mean she does she puts so to the point where I I like to think we're both, we're a good team.

50:29We both contribute equally, right? But I know I could be gone for a week and they're going to be great. Do you know what I mean? She does show, she is like the best mum ever. She's so good, like so good. And then right now that's done. In terms of the other stuff, I mean in a parenting sense, like, I don't think there's much, like not much. I think, you know what, I'm just going to, I'm going to air it now. Yeah. Just in a broader sense, she is messy, mate. She's like, unreasonably messy. Do you know what I mean? So I'm very, when we first got together, we were like polar opposites, which I think works in a way.

51:03She's just a mess, right? Whereas I'm like very organized, OCD. Like, I think it's quite common with athletes. You're very like a bit weird and a bit anal bad stuff. Yeah. So like, and we kind of leveled each other out a bit. Do you know what I mean? But I mean, she's benefited from that. Cause she's now, do you know what I mean? I've lost out cause I'm less organized now. So it's not a good thing for me. But anyway, I can trace, I can come into the house right after her and I can trace her entire day. I'm like, oh, you came downstairs, you left your stuff there, then you had a coffee, that's all out on the side.

51:29You made a sandwich, every item you've used is just spread across the kitchen. Took your socks off because they're there, do you know what I mean? Because I think part of it is like she does multiple things at a time. I can't multitask. I start a thing and I finish it, then I move on. So she's juggling with a mental load of the kids. She's like, oh, I'm going to get a plate out. Oh, look at that bird over there. I'll go and look at, do you know what I mean? So do you have a go at it or do you say, hey can I share some of this load with you? I'm just giving up now mate do you know what I mean to be honest I like just keep the socks up and keep it to yourself I remind her but like that's how our relationship works is like I just accept that because there's other as a result of that she does lots of other good do you know what I mean so it's like I'm the tidy up guy and you're the annoying anal one with all the yeah yeah yeah but I'm trying to train the kids up because I think it is a useful skill do you know what I mean she's like losing things all the time it's useful to like know where your stuff is do you know what I mean that's yeah but also do you know what also I think like it helps so I used to be more like kind of OC to an annoying level you know things like washing hands and stuff do you know what I mean right I'd be like I touch her whatever and I've got to wash my hands like that's not practical so I think it's good she levels it out in a nice way so I want my boys to grow up and it's inconvenient do you know what I mean you want to be clean you know let's be hygienic but also you're going to be weirdly washing your hands 40 times a day hopefully they get your body and her personality yeah I mean mate she's got a solid 9.5 out of 10 body to be fair It's been amazing Thanks so much Good luck with the book Unlocking Fitness Appreciate it mate I reckon Unlocking What's it called?

52:56Unlocking Fitness What's it called? Good luck with the podcast Fitness Unlocked Parent in Heaven Overgoes World

53:01Josh Widdicombe:It's absolutely butchered Worst research team ever It's called Fitness Unlocked There is no team Never got a research team Fitness Unlocked Unlocking Fitness That's the worst name ever Oh yeah Because it's fucking well different To what it is called Way more catchy mate Fitness Unlocked Why don't you give me A fucking memorable name That I remember Okay thanks Cheers mate Thank you so much Good luck with the book. Thank you very much. Matt Morsia. Loved it. What a guy. Absolutely loved him. Disappointed he was in his normal clothes. Yeah, exactly. I wanted to see him sat there in a leotard. It would have been weird.

53:33Josh Widdicombe:They make them do that on Sunday brunch. Do you know what's interesting? The old gladiators used to never be allowed to be themselves. I think they still do that a bit, but I think they're losing a bit TV because everyone knows Matt Morsia is also an Instagram fitness. fitness influencer that's actually on some weeks gets more views than gladiators well welcome to the new world welcome to the new world Josh see you next week see you next week

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